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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Nothings offensive, if theres no obvious agenda, quite obvious bad taste or intent behind the action in my book.
But if someone says its genuinely offending and hurting them, I'd be an arse to say tough luck I dont care? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I have a permanently black face and I've never understood quite why people get so offended by white people blackening their faces. It doesn't offend me in the slightest, but I'm not black British - maybe I'm missing something? Is there a black British person on here who can offer an explanation? As far as I've seen, it only ever seems to be white people that get angry about it  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I have a permanently black face and I've never understood quite why people get so offended by white people blackening their faces. It doesn't offend me in the slightest, but I'm not black British - maybe I'm missing something? Is there a black British person on here who can offer an explanation? As far as I've seen, it only ever seems to be white people that get angry about it "
You've got a valid point. But also what's interesting is the use of any perceived offence for an agenda.
If it's in bad taste,then the education of individuals is paramount, not the finger pointing?
Most folk know when they offend, or could do so? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I have a permanently black face and I've never understood quite why people get so offended by white people blackening their faces. It doesn't offend me in the slightest, but I'm not black British - maybe I'm missing something? Is there a black British person on here who can offer an explanation? As far as I've seen, it only ever seems to be white people that get angry about it
You've got a valid point. But also what's interesting is the use of any perceived offence for an agenda.
If it's in bad taste,then the education of individuals is paramount, not the finger pointing?
Most folk know when they offend, or could do so?"
But surely it's only offensive to somebody who is affected by whoever the offence is aimed at? If a white person is offended by blackface, and I as a black person am not, isn't that white person stereotyping me, which in itself, is offensive? Of course, I don't speak for all black people, but I personally find it very confusing.
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
Dudley |
The world has gone mad, for years people have been making their skin lighter or darker, if anything I see it as a compliment that they think that skin colour is beautiful enough to try and copy it.
It's like recently there was an uproar about a white lady tanning and having her hair curled, some black ladies accused her of cultural appropriation, at least half of the women complaining had straightened their hair and a few had bleached their hair  |
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By *0FrankMan
over a year ago
The South! |
Too many people are too easily offended... I appreciate I'm a white herrosexual male and as such I in unlikely to be a minority... So I will never really know... But I'm bald and couldn't care less if you mock me for it... |
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Look at the history of black face, and how it was used to mock and stereotype black people for a long time.
We didn't just decide randomly that it's wrong, it has a racist history. Not everyone that does black face nowadays is racist, of course, but ignorance isn't really an excuse. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Look at the history of black face, and how it was used to mock and stereotype black people for a long time.
We didn't just decide randomly that it's wrong, it has a racist history. Not everyone that does black face nowadays is racist, of course, but ignorance isn't really an excuse."
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"Too many people are too easily offended... I appreciate I'm a white herrosexual male and as such I in unlikely to be a minority... So I will never really know... But I'm bald and couldn't care less if you mock me for it... "
NO man should be mocked for their baldness, they should be worshipped (this might work, help me out here) |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Look at the history of black face, and how it was used to mock and stereotype black people for a long time.
We didn't just decide randomly that it's wrong, it has a racist history. Not everyone that does black face nowadays is racist, of course, but ignorance isn't really an excuse."
To me, the keywords in your post are "was" and "history". This is the 21st century and people shouldn't assume that all black people are offended by something from the past. For example, I don't find golliwogs offensive. Not are they only just a toy, golliwogs are always portrayed well-dressed and have a smile on their faces. To the majority of black people who don't live in first world countries, being happy and well-dress is an aspiration, not an insult. |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
Dudley |
"And there was some clown moaning that wearing a sombrero was offensive to Mexicans..
In fact some circus manager was moaning that people were dressing as clowns at s fancy dress..."
People complain about everything, they look for reasons to be offended. Apparently kids shouldn't dress up as Cowboys and Indians, sugar skulls, pop/movie stars of different nationalities. Kids are not racist unless they are taught to be. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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Context is everything.
There was a time linguistically when terms like P*ki, n*gger, gollyw*g, poof and so on, were used routinely with little adverse thought or menace.
When their use became pejorative, it became the language of an abusive minority and the tolerant majority disassociated itself from such language.
It's the same with black-face.
What may have been seen historically as innocent expression of fun becomes associated with malevolent voices and the majority distance themselves for fear of being tarnished with the same brush.
I don't think there is any danger of drag queens going the same way, since none of their parody can be associated in any way with hate.
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By *oul BrothaMan
over a year ago
A Galaxy far far away |
This thread is a clear indication that so many people on Fab are not qualified to discuss race. The amount of misinformation, assumption and downright ignorance is truly astounding.
I suggest the OP and all those in the thread that fail to understand why blackface, and racial slurs are offensive to do your own independent research. Also ensure you read articles by black authors as you need to understand the issue from a black perspective and not from the lense of white privilege or those that downplay or ignore our lived experience.
Seek to learn and understand.
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By *hechapMan
over a year ago
Derry |
"I thought this post was going to be about black faced sheep..
That would be baad taste."
The bad taste could be in the cooking or maybe its just an old black faced ewe dressed as a young black faced lamb. |
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By *hechapMan
over a year ago
Derry |
"This thread is a clear indication that so many people on Fab are not qualified to discuss race. The amount of misinformation, assumption and downright ignorance is truly astounding.
I suggest the OP and all those in the thread that fail to understand why blackface, and racial slurs are offensive to do your own independent research. Also ensure you read articles by black authors as you need to understand the issue from a black perspective and not from the lense of white privilege or those that downplay or ignore our lived experience.
Seek to learn and understand.
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Where did you get your qualifications? |
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By *oul BrothaMan
over a year ago
A Galaxy far far away |
"Perhaps we should censor all white opinion.. "
Perhaps you should do as I suggest, do some reading, reflection, challenge your pre and misconceptions and then come back and make a post from a *hopefully* more enlightened perspective. |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
Liverpool |
"This thread is a clear indication that so many people on Fab are not qualified to discuss race. The amount of misinformation, assumption and downright ignorance is truly astounding.
I suggest the OP and all those in the thread that fail to understand why blackface, and racial slurs are offensive to do your own independent research. Also ensure you read articles by black authors as you need to understand the issue from a black perspective and not from the lense of white privilege or those that downplay or ignore our lived experience.
Seek to learn and understand.
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While I don't get offended on the behalf of others, I do have a compassion for those that find such things offensive and I agree with this. Just because "you" don't find something offensive does not mean it is not. And while there are a lot of little things that people will claim offense from for no more than a bit of attention, things like blackface and just racial insults in general should always be assumed will offend, in fact they do more than offend, more than just a small minority for the symbols of hate and mockery that they are.
As the above has said there is a deep rooted history to it that goes just beyond "a bit of fun" or "it's just a joke". |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"This thread is a clear indication that so many people on Fab are not qualified to discuss race. The amount of misinformation, assumption and downright ignorance is truly astounding.
I suggest the OP and all those in the thread that fail to understand why blackface, and racial slurs are offensive to do your own independent research. Also ensure you read articles by black authors as you need to understand the issue from a black perspective and not from the lense of white privilege or those that downplay or ignore our lived experience.
Seek to learn and understand.
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Au contraire, I'd suggest that's exactly why everyone should discuss it.
To learn and understand. That's where the root cause of tensions exist. People who aren't aware, feel they cant discuss differences or learn about perspectives without being labelled by someone? |
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"Perhaps we should censor all white opinion..
Perhaps you should do as I suggest, do some reading, reflection, challenge your pre and misconceptions and then come back and make a post from a *hopefully* more enlightened perspective. "
Deal !
Just done that and have not changed my mind at all |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
Liverpool |
"This thread is a clear indication that so many people on Fab are not qualified to discuss race. The amount of misinformation, assumption and downright ignorance is truly astounding.
I suggest the OP and all those in the thread that fail to understand why blackface, and racial slurs are offensive to do your own independent research. Also ensure you read articles by black authors as you need to understand the issue from a black perspective and not from the lense of white privilege or those that downplay or ignore our lived experience.
Seek to learn and understand.
Au contraire, I'd suggest that's exactly why everyone should discuss it.
To learn and understand. That's where the root cause of tensions exist. People who aren't aware, feel they cant discuss differences or learn about perspectives without being labelled by someone?"
The thing is you can quite clearly see a fair number of people clearly have no intention of discussion with intent of learning. |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
Dudley |
"This thread is a clear indication that so many people on Fab are not qualified to discuss race. The amount of misinformation, assumption and downright ignorance is truly astounding.
I suggest the OP and all those in the thread that fail to understand why blackface, and racial slurs are offensive to do your own independent research. Also ensure you read articles by black authors as you need to understand the issue from a black perspective and not from the lense of white privilege or those that downplay or ignore our lived experience.
Seek to learn and understand.
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I'm sorry but what makes you more qualified to discuss race? We all belong to a race so we are all equally qualified.
Racism doesn't only affect one race, and while I agree that racial slurs are unnecessary, surely you can see that someone (especially a child) wanting to dress up as a person belonging to a different race doesn't make them racist. Yes, there are people that do use it as a racist attack but it isn't always used in a racist way.
I'm not even going to get into white privilege with you because that's a whole other thing. |
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By *oul BrothaMan
over a year ago
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"The latest nonsense is a student complaining about the racist Walt Disney cartoons. King Louis, the crows and the Siamese cats... All racist apparently.. well stone the crows.."
The lead crow is called Jim Crow is that racist enough for you?
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
Liverpool |
"This thread is a clear indication that so many people on Fab are not qualified to discuss race. The amount of misinformation, assumption and downright ignorance is truly astounding.
I suggest the OP and all those in the thread that fail to understand why blackface, and racial slurs are offensive to do your own independent research. Also ensure you read articles by black authors as you need to understand the issue from a black perspective and not from the lense of white privilege or those that downplay or ignore our lived experience.
Seek to learn and understand.
I'm sorry but what makes you more qualified to discuss race? We all belong to a race so we are all equally qualified.
Racism doesn't only affect one race, and while I agree that racial slurs are unnecessary, surely you can see that someone (especially a child) wanting to dress up as a person belonging to a different race doesn't make them racist. Yes, there are people that do use it as a racist attack but it isn't always used in a racist way.
I'm not even going to get into white privilege with you because that's a whole other thing. "
Unfortunately this is essentially where racial discussions usually well and truely do break down. |
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"The latest nonsense is a student complaining about the racist Walt Disney cartoons. King Louis, the crows and the Siamese cats... All racist apparently.. well stone the crows..
The lead crow is called Jim Crow is that racist enough for you?
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Walt Disney films.. let's purge ourselves of this racism and burn them all.. |
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"The latest nonsense is a student complaining about the racist Walt Disney cartoons. King Louis, the crows and the Siamese cats... All racist apparently.. well stone the crows..
The lead crow is called Jim Crow is that racist enough for you?
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African cultural traditions include many folk tales of trickster animals, including birds, such as crows and buzzards who seem foolish, but who always manage to get what they want through cleverness and luck. In the Yoruba culture of West Africa, he is a crow named "Jim." |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The latest nonsense is a student complaining about the racist Walt Disney cartoons. King Louis, the crows and the Siamese cats... All racist apparently.. well stone the crows..
The lead crow is called Jim Crow is that racist enough for you?
African cultural traditions include many folk tales of trickster animals, including birds, such as crows and buzzards who seem foolish, but who always manage to get what they want through cleverness and luck. In the Yoruba culture of West Africa, he is a crow named "Jim.""
To be fair, Walt Disney was notoriously racist and anti-semitic. "Jim Crow" in this context was probably referring to the Jim Crow laws in the US that enforced racial segregation. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The world has gone mad, for years people have been making their skin lighter or darker, if anything I see it as a compliment that they think that skin colour is beautiful enough to try and copy it.
It's like recently there was an uproar about a white lady tanning and having her hair curled, some black ladies accused her of cultural appropriation, at least half of the women complaining had straightened their hair and a few had bleached their hair "
You may be talking about Rachel Dolezol (might have misspelled her name there) the problem was that she took a top job with a charity for people of colour, and swore she was black.
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"The latest nonsense is a student complaining about the racist Walt Disney cartoons. King Louis, the crows and the Siamese cats... All racist apparently.. well stone the crows..
The lead crow is called Jim Crow is that racist enough for you?
African cultural traditions include many folk tales of trickster animals, including birds, such as crows and buzzards who seem foolish, but who always manage to get what they want through cleverness and luck. In the Yoruba culture of West Africa, he is a crow named "Jim."
To be fair, Walt Disney was notoriously racist and anti-semitic. "Jim Crow" in this context was probably referring to the Jim Crow laws in the US that enforced racial segregation."
That I don't doubt but it would appear that he kicked himself in the nuts on that one, by utilising a culturally significant character from West Africa.
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
Dudley |
"The world has gone mad, for years people have been making their skin lighter or darker, if anything I see it as a compliment that they think that skin colour is beautiful enough to try and copy it.
It's like recently there was an uproar about a white lady tanning and having her hair curled, some black ladies accused her of cultural appropriation, at least half of the women complaining had straightened their hair and a few had bleached their hair
You may be talking about Rachel Dolezol (might have misspelled her name there) the problem was that she took a top job with a charity for people of colour, and swore she was black.
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No, this was a young lady on social media, the woman you're talking about is a dick lol. |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
Dudley |
"This thread is a clear indication that so many people on Fab are not qualified to discuss race. The amount of misinformation, assumption and downright ignorance is truly astounding.
I suggest the OP and all those in the thread that fail to understand why blackface, and racial slurs are offensive to do your own independent research. Also ensure you read articles by black authors as you need to understand the issue from a black perspective and not from the lense of white privilege or those that downplay or ignore our lived experience.
Seek to learn and understand.
I'm sorry but what makes you more qualified to discuss race? We all belong to a race so we are all equally qualified.
Racism doesn't only affect one race, and while I agree that racial slurs are unnecessary, surely you can see that someone (especially a child) wanting to dress up as a person belonging to a different race doesn't make them racist. Yes, there are people that do use it as a racist attack but it isn't always used in a racist way.
I'm not even going to get into white privilege with you because that's a whole other thing.
Unfortunately this is essentially where racial discussions usually well and truely do break down."
But it shouldn't, people should be able to discuss things in a reasonable manner without it resorting to pathetic insults. |
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"This thread is a clear indication that so many people on Fab are not qualified to discuss race. The amount of misinformation, assumption and downright ignorance is truly astounding.
I suggest the OP and all those in the thread that fail to understand why blackface, and racial slurs are offensive to do your own independent research. Also ensure you read articles by black authors as you need to understand the issue from a black perspective and not from the lense of white privilege or those that downplay or ignore our lived experience.
Seek to learn and understand.
I'm sorry but what makes you more qualified to discuss race? We all belong to a race so we are all equally qualified.
Racism doesn't only affect one race, and while I agree that racial slurs are unnecessary, surely you can see that someone (especially a child) wanting to dress up as a person belonging to a different race doesn't make them racist. Yes, there are people that do use it as a racist attack but it isn't always used in a racist way.
I'm not even going to get into white privilege with you because that's a whole other thing.
Unfortunately this is essentially where racial discussions usually well and truely do break down.
But it shouldn't, people should be able to discuss things in a reasonable manner without it resorting to pathetic insults. "
Or patronising those deemed les educated or not worthy of an opinion.. |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
Dudley |
"This thread is a clear indication that so many people on Fab are not qualified to discuss race. The amount of misinformation, assumption and downright ignorance is truly astounding.
I suggest the OP and all those in the thread that fail to understand why blackface, and racial slurs are offensive to do your own independent research. Also ensure you read articles by black authors as you need to understand the issue from a black perspective and not from the lense of white privilege or those that downplay or ignore our lived experience.
Seek to learn and understand.
I'm sorry but what makes you more qualified to discuss race? We all belong to a race so we are all equally qualified.
Racism doesn't only affect one race, and while I agree that racial slurs are unnecessary, surely you can see that someone (especially a child) wanting to dress up as a person belonging to a different race doesn't make them racist. Yes, there are people that do use it as a racist attack but it isn't always used in a racist way.
I'm not even going to get into white privilege with you because that's a whole other thing.
Unfortunately this is essentially where racial discussions usually well and truely do break down.
But it shouldn't, people should be able to discuss things in a reasonable manner without it resorting to pathetic insults.
Or patronising those deemed les educated or not worthy of an opinion.. "
Yep. |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
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"This thread is a clear indication that so many people on Fab are not qualified to discuss race. The amount of misinformation, assumption and downright ignorance is truly astounding.
I suggest the OP and all those in the thread that fail to understand why blackface, and racial slurs are offensive to do your own independent research. Also ensure you read articles by black authors as you need to understand the issue from a black perspective and not from the lense of white privilege or those that downplay or ignore our lived experience.
Seek to learn and understand.
I'm sorry but what makes you more qualified to discuss race? We all belong to a race so we are all equally qualified.
Racism doesn't only affect one race, and while I agree that racial slurs are unnecessary, surely you can see that someone (especially a child) wanting to dress up as a person belonging to a different race doesn't make them racist. Yes, there are people that do use it as a racist attack but it isn't always used in a racist way.
I'm not even going to get into white privilege with you because that's a whole other thing.
Unfortunately this is essentially where racial discussions usually well and truely do break down.
But it shouldn't, people should be able to discuss things in a reasonable manner without it resorting to pathetic insults. "
But people don't, they are unable to read between the lines of what is quite often a very emotionally charged topic for a lot of people. Such a topic will always get heated because of both sides, there are people that continue to fuel the hate.
As Caucasian, very few of us will ever truely know what it is like to be in the position of other ethnic groups, even today racism is still high despite the standard of living for those being better with more freedoms that it has been. There is very little compassion to learn about why they feel as they do, as proven above.
However on the other side by throwing around insults at white people, it is doing their argument no favours as it is just still racial hate and just gets their back up and on the defensive further pushing them away from wanting to care about the other side.
Until both sides are able to stop and view things from all angles it will never have civilized discussions. |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
Dudley |
"This thread is a clear indication that so many people on Fab are not qualified to discuss race. The amount of misinformation, assumption and downright ignorance is truly astounding.
I suggest the OP and all those in the thread that fail to understand why blackface, and racial slurs are offensive to do your own independent research. Also ensure you read articles by black authors as you need to understand the issue from a black perspective and not from the lense of white privilege or those that downplay or ignore our lived experience.
Seek to learn and understand.
I'm sorry but what makes you more qualified to discuss race? We all belong to a race so we are all equally qualified.
Racism doesn't only affect one race, and while I agree that racial slurs are unnecessary, surely you can see that someone (especially a child) wanting to dress up as a person belonging to a different race doesn't make them racist. Yes, there are people that do use it as a racist attack but it isn't always used in a racist way.
I'm not even going to get into white privilege with you because that's a whole other thing.
Unfortunately this is essentially where racial discussions usually well and truely do break down.
But it shouldn't, people should be able to discuss things in a reasonable manner without it resorting to pathetic insults.
But people don't, they are unable to read between the lines of what is quite often a very emotionally charged topic for a lot of people. Such a topic will always get heated because of both sides, there are people that continue to fuel the hate.
As Caucasian, very few of us will ever truely know what it is like to be in the position of other ethnic groups, even today racism is still high despite the standard of living for those being better with more freedoms that it has been. There is very little compassion to learn about why they feel as they do, as proven above.
However on the other side by throwing around insults at white people, it is doing their argument no favours as it is just still racial hate and just gets their back up and on the defensive further pushing them away from wanting to care about the other side.
Until both sides are able to stop and view things from all angles it will never have civilized discussions. "
I would be happy to have a conversation about this that didn't descend into mud slinging, I've witnessed racism, I know it exists. |
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By *ocbig OP Man
over a year ago
Birmingham |
"Look at the history of black face, and how it was used to mock and stereotype black people for a long time.
We didn't just decide randomly that it's wrong, it has a racist history. Not everyone that does black face nowadays is racist, of course, but ignorance isn't really an excuse."
This is what I was driving at, both could be seen as offensive, exaggerating characteristics, dressing up etc, I struggle to see why it’s ok to mock 50% of the population like that. I don’t think it should be stopped I am not trying to be contraversial for the sake of it, I am simply struggling to see a difference. |
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By *ocbig OP Man
over a year ago
Birmingham |
"This thread is a clear indication that so many people on Fab are not qualified to discuss race. The amount of misinformation, assumption and downright ignorance is truly astounding.
I suggest the OP and all those in the thread that fail to understand why blackface, and racial slurs are offensive to do your own independent research. Also ensure you read articles by black authors as you need to understand the issue from a black perspective and not from the lense of white privilege or those that downplay or ignore our lived experience.
Seek to learn and understand.
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I do fully appreciate how blackface is offensive, read my first line if you will. I am not & never will advocate that I was merely drawing a parallel, I am not sure that drag is solely from a place of love & fondness... |
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By *ocbig OP Man
over a year ago
Birmingham |
"I am sure someone will throw up guilt spout the British Empire soon. Usuallly an apologist. I actually took the OP to be talking about Drag Race to be fair"
I did & this has taken a turn I didn’t foresee or want...happy for the thread to die/delete my question is getting lost in the noise. |
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By *modDMan
over a year ago
Lichfield |
"I have a permanently black face and I've never understood quite why people get so offended by white people blackening their faces. It doesn't offend me in the slightest, but I'm not black British - maybe I'm missing something? Is there a black British person on here who can offer an explanation? As far as I've seen, it only ever seems to be white people that get angry about it "
I sense a slight mocking of white people in general here. The origin of blackface is most definitely offensive. Not understanding the reason for it doesn’t make you right, it makes you ignorant. |
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