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there is a lot of controversy in sport at the moment about trans females competing in elite sports and should it be allowed as they are wiping the field when it comes to medal winning in female events.
So should they have their own events or be handicapped to even the odds
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"there is a lot of controversy in sport at the moment about trans females competing in elite sports and should it be allowed as they are wiping the field when it comes to medal winning in female events.
So should they have their own events or be handicapped to even the odds
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"Wiping the field when it comes to medal winning" is a gross exageration though. I mean there are literally a handful in all sports at all ages across the world. And one very political and vocal masters cyclist reveling in whipping up a frenzy.
But lots of men (and by thi I dont mean you specificslly but generally) have suddenly used this to become torch bearers for equality in sport as long as that equality starts and finishes with trans competitor's being excluded |
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By *adetMan
over a year ago
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"there is a lot of controversy in sport at the moment about trans females competing in elite sports and should it be allowed as they are wiping the field when it comes to medal winning in female events.
So should they have their own events or be handicapped to even the odds
"Wiping the field when it comes to medal winning" is a gross exageration though. I mean there are literally a handful in all sports at all ages across the world. And one very political and vocal masters cyclist reveling in whipping up a frenzy.
But lots of men (and by thi I dont mean you specificslly but generally) have suddenly used this to become torch bearers for equality in sport as long as that equality starts and finishes with trans competitor's being excluded "
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Are there any female to male transgender people in sports at all? Is it possible, bearing in mind the very high prize money in some sports, that it in future, it could be a career choice for a male athlete to compete in female events as a woman? I confess, I don't really know the criteria for a man to be considered a woman with regard to professional sports. |
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I'm not into sports and don't know much about it.
But it's not a fair match of physical strength between a man an a woman.
Regardless of who anyone identifies as 
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"I'm not into sports and don't know much about it.
But it's not a fair match of physical strength between a man an a woman.
Regardless of who anyone identifies as
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What about sports where physical strength isn't as important - darts, snooker, table tennis etc? |
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"Are there any female to male transgender people in sports at all? Is it possible, bearing in mind the very high prize money in some sports, that it in future, it could be a career choice for a male athlete to compete in female events as a woman? I confess, I don't really know the criteria for a man to be considered a woman with regard to professional sports."
Interesting question.
It is easier to see "male" competing in female events rather than the other way around as it seems to have higher likelihood of finding success and reap all the rewards that come with it.
What about the claim of being "hyper-androgen females"? |
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"Are there any female to male transgender people in sports at all? Is it possible, bearing in mind the very high prize money in some sports, that it in future, it could be a career choice for a male athlete to compete in female events as a woman? I confess, I don't really know the criteria for a man to be considered a woman with regard to professional sports."
I think the level of money in most female sports combined with the fact youd need to transition very young to be competitive at an age when you can rise to the level where you can earn life changing sums make it very unlikely.
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What about sports where physical strength isn't as important - darts, snooker, table tennis etc?"
These stories don't make the press. Less controversy means less interest. |
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"I'm not into sports and don't know much about it.
But it's not a fair match of physical strength between a man an a woman.
Regardless of who anyone identifies as
What about sports where physical strength isn't as important - darts, snooker, table tennis etc?"
Good point.
In those kind of sports it probably doesnt make a difference.
But I know that if I was a sports woman in something like sprints or javelin for example I wouldn't want to compete against a genetic man. |
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"Are there any female to male transgender people in sports at all? Is it possible, bearing in mind the very high prize money in some sports, that it in future, it could be a career choice for a male athlete to compete in female events as a woman? I confess, I don't really know the criteria for a man to be considered a woman with regard to professional sports.
I think the level of money in most female sports combined with the fact youd need to transition very young to be competitive at an age when you can rise to the level where you can earn life changing sums make it very unlikely.
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Is that necessarily so? What if you're already a fairly good male tennis player who transitions in their mid-teens, and then competes against women, or vice-versa? Pay equality is working its way into sports prizes, and I'm sure it won't be long before prize money is equal. |
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"I'm not into sports and don't know much about it.
But it's not a fair match of physical strength between a man an a woman.
Regardless of who anyone identifies as
What about sports where physical strength isn't as important - darts, snooker, table tennis etc?"
As far as I know snooker is open to both sexes and you have to qualify but sadly and without prejudice the women aren't as good or consistent as the men. |
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"I'm not into sports and don't know much about it.
But it's not a fair match of physical strength between a man an a woman.
Regardless of who anyone identifies as
What about sports where physical strength isn't as important - darts, snooker, table tennis etc?
Good point.
In those kind of sports it probably doesnt make a difference.
But I know that if I was a sports woman in something like sprints or javelin for example I wouldn't want to compete against a genetic man."
Hypothetically speaking, of course, what do you think that stating publicly you wouldn't want to compete against a genetic man would do for your career? |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
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"I'm not into sports and don't know much about it.
But it's not a fair match of physical strength between a man an a woman.
Regardless of who anyone identifies as
What about sports where physical strength isn't as important - darts, snooker, table tennis etc?
Good point.
In those kind of sports it probably doesnt make a difference.
But I know that if I was a sports woman in something like sprints or javelin for example I wouldn't want to compete against a genetic man."
The issue then is it becomes about well sport x allows it, sport y should too. When you allow one thing as an exception (in all cases not just this) it becomes a slippery slope.
It is an unfortunate situation, can't compete against men, can't compete against women, can't make a transgender mtf (or ftm) because the whole point is to be viewed as female. Personally I don't think they should be allowed to compete with other women as they will always have that potential advantage. |
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"I'm not into sports and don't know much about it.
But it's not a fair match of physical strength between a man an a woman.
Regardless of who anyone identifies as
What about sports where physical strength isn't as important - darts, snooker, table tennis etc?
Good point.
In those kind of sports it probably doesnt make a difference.
But I know that if I was a sports woman in something like sprints or javelin for example I wouldn't want to compete against a genetic man."
Boxing? |
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"I'm not into sports and don't know much about it.
But it's not a fair match of physical strength between a man an a woman.
Regardless of who anyone identifies as
What about sports where physical strength isn't as important - darts, snooker, table tennis etc?
Good point.
In those kind of sports it probably doesnt make a difference.
But I know that if I was a sports woman in something like sprints or javelin for example I wouldn't want to compete against a genetic man."
That's why we see more of "transgender female and hyperandrogen females"" in female events rather than the other way around.
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"Are there any female to male transgender people in sports at all? Is it possible, bearing in mind the very high prize money in some sports, that it in future, it could be a career choice for a male athlete to compete in female events as a woman? I confess, I don't really know the criteria for a man to be considered a woman with regard to professional sports.
I think the level of money in most female sports combined with the fact youd need to transition very young to be competitive at an age when you can rise to the level where you can earn life changing sums make it very unlikely.
Is that necessarily so? What if you're already a fairly good male tennis player who transitions in their mid-teens, and then competes against women, or vice-versa? Pay equality is working its way into sports prizes, and I'm sure it won't be long before prize money is equal."
Can you transition in your mid teens and with all that it entails be competing at a high level in sport?
In theory I guess so, in reality I very much doubt it's possible.
Also there is a huge disparity in almost all sports between what men and women can earn. |
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"I'm not into sports and don't know much about it.
But it's not a fair match of physical strength between a man an a woman.
Regardless of who anyone identifies as
What about sports where physical strength isn't as important - darts, snooker, table tennis etc?
Good point.
In those kind of sports it probably doesnt make a difference.
But I know that if I was a sports woman in something like sprints or javelin for example I wouldn't want to compete against a genetic man.
Boxing?"
I reckon I could beat you up Clem.
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Personally I don't think they should be allowed to compete with other women as they will always have that potential advantage. "
My personal opinion too (including those who claims to be hyperandrogen females : Caster Semenya, Niyonsaba and Aminatou Seyni for eg). |
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"Are there any female to male transgender people in sports at all? Is it possible, bearing in mind the very high prize money in some sports, that it in future, it could be a career choice for a male athlete to compete in female events as a woman? I confess, I don't really know the criteria for a man to be considered a woman with regard to professional sports.
I think the level of money in most female sports combined with the fact youd need to transition very young to be competitive at an age when you can rise to the level where you can earn life changing sums make it very unlikely.
Is that necessarily so? What if you're already a fairly good male tennis player who transitions in their mid-teens, and then competes against women, or vice-versa? Pay equality is working its way into sports prizes, and I'm sure it won't be long before prize money is equal.
Can you transition in your mid teens and with all that it entails be competing at a high level in sport?
In theory I guess so, in reality I very much doubt it's possible.
Also there is a huge disparity in almost all sports between what men and women can earn. "
That's because women aren't as good at sports. |
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"I'm not into sports and don't know much about it.
But it's not a fair match of physical strength between a man an a woman.
Regardless of who anyone identifies as
What about sports where physical strength isn't as important - darts, snooker, table tennis etc?
Good point.
In those kind of sports it probably doesnt make a difference.
But I know that if I was a sports woman in something like sprints or javelin for example I wouldn't want to compete against a genetic man.
Boxing?
I reckon I could beat you up Clem.
I'm not worried "
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"Are there any female to male transgender people in sports at all? Is it possible, bearing in mind the very high prize money in some sports, that it in future, it could be a career choice for a male athlete to compete in female events as a woman? I confess, I don't really know the criteria for a man to be considered a woman with regard to professional sports.
I think the level of money in most female sports combined with the fact youd need to transition very young to be competitive at an age when you can rise to the level where you can earn life changing sums make it very unlikely.
Is that necessarily so? What if you're already a fairly good male tennis player who transitions in their mid-teens, and then competes against women, or vice-versa? Pay equality is working its way into sports prizes, and I'm sure it won't be long before prize money is equal.
Can you transition in your mid teens and with all that it entails be competing at a high level in sport?
In theory I guess so, in reality I very much doubt it's possible.
Also there is a huge disparity in almost all sports between what men and women can earn. "
As I've said, I know very little about the transitioning process, or what sports' governing bodies set as the criteria - the IOC at the moment says, "Under the current IOC guidelines, issued in November 2015, athletes who transition from male to female can compete in the women’s category without requiring surgery to remove their testes provided their total testosterone level in serum is kept below 10 nanomoles per litre for at least 12 months."
I don't how long this process takes, or what's involved, but with pay equalising in all areas, albeit very slowly, I still feel that this might one day be a career choice for somebody from an impoverished background. |
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"Imgine if Caitlyn Jenner (aka Bruce Jenner) was at her prime now.
Dont think the Kardashians would be impressed "
Would love to see Caitlyn Jenner compete against Jackie Joyner Kersee in the heptathlon. |
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"I'm not into sports and don't know much about it.
But it's not a fair match of physical strength between a man an a woman.
Regardless of who anyone identifies as
What about sports where physical strength isn't as important - darts, snooker, table tennis etc?"
i said competing in sports since darts snooker and table tennis are all games it does not really count. and yes i know in the usa there are mixed 8 ball pool but there is not mixed nfl or basketball |
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"I'm not into sports and don't know much about it.
But it's not a fair match of physical strength between a man an a woman.
Regardless of who anyone identifies as
What about sports where physical strength isn't as important - darts, snooker, table tennis etc?
i said competing in sports since darts snooker and table tennis are all games it does not really count. and yes i know in the usa there are mixed 8 ball pool but there is not mixed nfl or basketball"
Isn't table tennis an Olympic sport? |
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I personally feel that any genetic advantage in sports especially combat sports should bar any competitor from certain divisions.
Imagine if Tyson Fury had been born with a condition that made his muscles 75% lighter than average, would it be fair for him to compete against fly weight boxers?
But that said, the whole situation has and is being used as a battering ram against the trans community, that's just wrong in my opinion. |
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The subject of the IOC is something that I don't know the full score of, but I know that early this year that Caster Semenya was told to take medication to lower her testosterone level. She told them where to go. |
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"I personally feel that any genetic advantage in sports especially combat sports should bar any competitor from certain divisions.
Imagine if Tyson Fury had been born with a condition that made his muscles 75% lighter than average, would it be fair for him to compete against fly weight boxers?
But that said, the whole situation has and is being used as a battering ram against the trans community, that's just wrong in my opinion."
i see the opposite its being rammed down sports throat just for sake of equal rights its all bullshit
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"there is a lot of controversy in sport at the moment about trans females competing in elite sports and should it be allowed as they are wiping the field when it comes to medal winning in female events.
So should they have their own events or be handicapped to even the odds
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handicapped by tying thighs together in the 100m hurdles?   |
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In the same way that we shall soon have no best male actor, no best female actor, it's time to just have mixed sports full stop. No more ladies tennis, no more ladies football. Level playing field for everyone. Just tennis and football. Anyone can play or enter. Imo |
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"In the same way that we shall soon have no best male actor, no best female actor, it's time to just have mixed sports full stop. No more ladies tennis, no more ladies football. Level playing field for everyone. Just tennis and football. Anyone can play or enter. Imo"
and with that the end of competition
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"I'm not into sports and don't know much about it.
But it's not a fair match of physical strength between a man an a woman.
Regardless of who anyone identifies as
What about sports where physical strength isn't as important - darts, snooker, table tennis etc?
i said competing in sports since darts snooker and table tennis are all games it does not really count. and yes i know in the usa there are mixed 8 ball pool but there is not mixed nfl or basketball
Isn't table tennis an Olympic sport?"
Also, archery, fencing, shooting - even skateboarding. All Olympic events that don't require the full measure of strength but still have separate male and female categories. |
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"I personally feel that any genetic advantage in sports especially combat sports should bar any competitor from certain divisions.
Imagine if Tyson Fury had been born with a condition that made his muscles 75% lighter than average, would it be fair for him to compete against fly weight boxers?
But that said, the whole situation has and is being used as a battering ram against the trans community, that's just wrong in my opinion.i see the opposite its being rammed down sports throat just for sake of equal rights its all bullshit
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Bet you cant name five trans athletes competing at even a good national standard across any sport. It's not "being rammed down sport's throat" |
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"I personally feel that any genetic advantage in sports especially combat sports should bar any competitor from certain divisions.
Imagine if Tyson Fury had been born with a condition that made his muscles 75% lighter than average, would it be fair for him to compete against fly weight boxers?
But that said, the whole situation has and is being used as a battering ram against the trans community, that's just wrong in my opinion.i see the opposite its being rammed down sports throat just for sake of equal rights its all bullshit
Bet you cant name five trans athletes competing at even a good national standard across any sport. It's not "being rammed down sport's throat""
No but it is on talksport quite often its only because they havnt caved in yet |
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"I personally feel that any genetic advantage in sports especially combat sports should bar any competitor from certain divisions.
Imagine if Tyson Fury had been born with a condition that made his muscles 75% lighter than average, would it be fair for him to compete against fly weight boxers?
But that said, the whole situation has and is being used as a battering ram against the trans community, that's just wrong in my opinion.i see the opposite its being rammed down sports throat just for sake of equal rights its all bullshit
Bet you cant name five trans athletes competing at even a good national standard across any sport. It's not "being rammed down sport's throat"
No but it is on talksport quite often its only because they havnt caved in yet"
Caved in to what? |
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I recently read about the controversy about transgender athletes in cycling.
Some female cyclists refuse to shake hands or get on the top step with one Canadian transgender cyclist at medal ceremony because they feel it is unfair.
I'm no expert but this transgender cyclist has been setting records and recently winning by larger than usual margins so I can understand female competitors feeling aggrieved.
Also the picture of this transgender cyclist sitting next to all the other female cyclists looked huge.
Bigger arms, legs etc, to me it looked very odd and when you think the legs are the motors in cycling something just doesn't feel right.
I know they can reduce testosterone levels with drugs but I dunno.
Couldn't cut it in men's cycling so now as a transgender rip it up in the women's.
Bit extreme I know,but some will think that.
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
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"In the same way that we shall soon have no best male actor, no best female actor, it's time to just have mixed sports full stop. No more ladies tennis, no more ladies football. Level playing field for everyone. Just tennis and football. Anyone can play or enter. Imo"
Not the same at all. Sports requires genetic physical traits that just by natures design men (generally speaking, always exceptions) are superior in, to have an advantage
Acting most definitely does NOT have an advantage for either sex/gender.
Singing is slightly in between, as (again generally) men and women have advantages in different notes etc. |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
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"Easy.
Have their own event,
1, They don't have the same body structure asfemale athletes.
2, They have far more testosterone levels than most female athletes."
I can only speak based on what I have read up on and been told. But the problem with a trans only event is that is it not the point of being trans to be seen fully as a man/woman?
This is why it is not an easy thing to solve.
Can't compete with men because they don't view themselves as men (understandably)
Can't compete with women due to a potential advantage
Can't have a trans catagory due to viewing themselves as identifying as man/woman, and not trans directly. |
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"I can only speak based on what I have read up on and been told. But the problem with a trans only event is that is it not the point of being trans to be seen fully as a man/woman?
This is why it is not an easy thing to solve.
Can't compete with men because they don't view themselves as men (understandably)
Can't compete with women due to a potential advantage
Can't have a trans catagory due to viewing themselves as identifying as man/woman, and not trans directly. "
Its because the word man in the english language means the gender inside your head and the biological body.
Technically they are different things, but women born in the wrong body should compete in the biologically correct sport.
So we should just stop calling them "Mens cycling" and "Womens cycling" and just call them, XY-Cycling and XX-Cycling. |
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"I personally feel that any genetic advantage in sports especially combat sports should bar any competitor from certain divisions.
Imagine if Tyson Fury had been born with a condition that made his muscles 75% lighter than average, would it be fair for him to compete against fly weight boxers?
But that said, the whole situation has and is being used as a battering ram against the trans community, that's just wrong in my opinion.i see the opposite its being rammed down sports throat just for sake of equal rights its all bullshit
Bet you cant name five trans athletes competing at even a good national standard across any sport. It's not "being rammed down sport's throat""
I couldn't name you 5 non-transgender athletes, let alone 5 trans athletes, but the numbers are rising. This from a news source - "Helen Carroll is a LGBTQ sports advocate who worked on the NCAA transgender handbook. Through her advocacy work, she has interacted extensively with transgender athletes and she estimates there are somewhere in the neighborhood of 150 to 200 transgender athletes currently competing in NCAA sports."
This basically means that from the US colleges alone, there are potentially 200 future world-class athletes in the US alone. As for the rest of the world, I have no idea, but the numbers are increasing. Prize money may be paltry, but competing, let alone winning, opens up a host of money-making opportunities - sponsorships, TV etc. Certainly lucrative enough to "take the last step" for some maybe. |
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"I personally feel that any genetic advantage in sports especially combat sports should bar any competitor from certain divisions.
Imagine if Tyson Fury had been born with a condition that made his muscles 75% lighter than average, would it be fair for him to compete against fly weight boxers?
But that said, the whole situation has and is being used as a battering ram against the trans community, that's just wrong in my opinion.i see the opposite its being rammed down sports throat just for sake of equal rights its all bullshit
Bet you cant name five trans athletes competing at even a good national standard across any sport. It's not "being rammed down sport's throat"
I couldn't name you 5 non-transgender athletes, let alone 5 trans athletes, but the numbers are rising. This from a news source - "Helen Carroll is a LGBTQ sports advocate who worked on the NCAA transgender handbook. Through her advocacy work, she has interacted extensively with transgender athletes and she estimates there are somewhere in the neighborhood of 150 to 200 transgender athletes currently competing in NCAA sports."
This basically means that from the US colleges alone, there are potentially 200 future world-class athletes in the US alone. As for the rest of the world, I have no idea, but the numbers are increasing. Prize money may be paltry, but competing, let alone winning, opens up a host of money-making opportunities - sponsorships, TV etc. Certainly lucrative enough to "take the last step" for some maybe. "
Amd how many people currently compete in NCAA sports? I'm guessing tens if not hundreds of thousands. And without that figure for comparison the significance of 150-200 trans athletes cant really be measured can it?
Oh and the logic that all of them are somehow potentially future world class athletes is seriously flawed given the attrition rate in sport and how few make it |
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"But that said, the whole situation has and is being used as a battering ram against the trans community, that's just wrong in my opinion."
These are the wisest words on this thread by far and you dont need to look far for examples of what kinky butler is referring to |
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Each to your own what you want to identify as. But if you scientifically have the same/similar amount of testosterone as a male. You need to compete against males. Simple as that, as taking it has been proven to improve performance therefore it is statistically an advantage. |
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"It's politically correctness, gone mad..."
No, it's more discrimination against women under the thinly-veiled disguise of "equality" for transgender people. Some people on this thread seem more concerned about the latter than the former, which just displays their misogynistic attitude. If there are to be divisions, I believe that women, men and transgender should be separate categories. |
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"I recently read about the controversy about transgender athletes in cycling.
Some female cyclists refuse to shake hands or get on the top step with one Canadian transgender cyclist at medal ceremony because they feel it is unfair.
I'm no expert but this transgender cyclist has been setting records and recently winning by larger than usual margins so I can understand female competitors feeling aggrieved.
Also the picture of this transgender cyclist sitting next to all the other female cyclists looked huge.
Bigger arms, legs etc, to me it looked very odd and when you think the legs are the motors in cycling something just doesn't feel right.
I know they can reduce testosterone levels with drugs but I dunno.
Couldn't cut it in men's cycling so now as a transgender rip it up in the women's.
Bit extreme I know,but some will think that.
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This is why i class it as cheating, how is it fair that some one twice the size should compete against female. |
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