 |
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
Just watched a very informative 1/2 prog on Titanic with Len Goodwin. So many facts are coming to light 100 years later that really throws new light on what actually caused the Titanic to founder that night (apart from whalloping a fookin big block of ice).
For instance, Captain Lord of the Californian was vilified right up until his death in 1962 as the man who never came to Titanic's aid, yet he reported at the inquest that Titanic was not in the position she claimed in her SOS messages and the she he saw was too small to be the super liner. When the wreck was found in 1985 she was indeed 13 miles further south than where her wireless operators were reporting her last position - thus exonerating Captain Lord. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
"It is interesting I enjoy watching stuff like that. Its just sad that not more people survived the tradgey.... "
The programme also uncovered the fact that the Titanic had the new Marconi wireless system and could contact any ship within 2,000 miles that also had it. Unfortunately, not many ships had the Marconi system installed and of those that did and received the SOS messages, only the Carpathian was close enough to get there but not before the ship sank. It became Maritime Law after the disaster for every ship to have a Marconi wireless system installed, and for every ship to carry enough lifeboats for all the souls on board regardless of class. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
"I saw some of this during the week but not all of it
Was fascinating"
There's tonnes of stuff on Sky this week and with next Sunday being the 100th anniversary of the sinking (02.20am Sun 15th April 1912 is when she slipped beneath the waves) there is Titanic related programming on almost continually somewhere on Sky. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
I turn it off every time it comes on. It has been interesting over the years but I fail to see why it's being brought up again ... Yes I know it's 100 years..... it's still not a good enough reason to have it on every day several times a day. I don't like Len either |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
Forum Mod |
I have to question something about lifeboats and how from that disaster every ship now has enough for every passenger
The Concordia had enough lifeboats but because of the tilt of the ship they could deploy them all
Seems ridiculous that no-one has ever thought about that problem before now,do ships designers assume thata stricken ship will sink in a straight line  |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
"what's len goodman got to do with the titanic ?"
He has a keen interest in ships, has worked on them, and I guess they offered him the job of making this mini-docu-series. Even judges on stupid pointless dance contest shows have other interests.  |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
Forum Mod |
"I have to question something about lifeboats and how from that disaster every ship now has enough for every passenger
The Concordia had enough lifeboats but because of the tilt of the ship they could deploy them all
Seems ridiculous that no-one has ever thought about that problem before now,do ships designers assume thata stricken ship will sink in a straight line "
Could'nt deploy them all!!! tut  |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"I have to question something about lifeboats and how from that disaster every ship now has enough for every passenger
The Concordia had enough lifeboats but because of the tilt of the ship they could deploy them all
Seems ridiculous that no-one has ever thought about that problem before now,do ships designers assume thata stricken ship will sink in a straight line "
maybe we could get arlene phillips to investigate ? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
"I have to question something about lifeboats and how from that disaster every ship now has enough for every passenger
The Concordia had enough lifeboats but because of the tilt of the ship they could deploy them all
Seems ridiculous that no-one has ever thought about that problem before now,do ships designers assume thata stricken ship will sink in a straight line "
Maritime Law can only plan for a set of circumstances to maximise the chances of survival of every person on board. In the case of the Concordia, the people who set maritime law could not possibly have envisaged that a twat of a captain would sail so close to an island to show off that he'd actually hit it. The Queen Mary 2 is 3 times bigger than the Titanic and has enough lifeboats on each side of the ship for all on board so that even if she heeled over onto port or starboard there would be enough lifeboats on the side not in the water for everyone to survive. They have quick release systems that operate automatically if a degree of listing is reached and as the lifeboats are enclosed and self-righting they are impervious to sinking through being immersed in water. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
Forum Mod |
"I have to question something about lifeboats and how from that disaster every ship now has enough for every passenger
The Concordia had enough lifeboats but because of the tilt of the ship they could deploy them all
Seems ridiculous that no-one has ever thought about that problem before now,do ships designers assume thata stricken ship will sink in a straight line
maybe we could get arlene phillips to investigate ?"
Hahahaha!  mind you they'd have to dive down and find her first,im sure she was there along with Len |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
Forum Mod |
"I have to question something about lifeboats and how from that disaster every ship now has enough for every passenger
The Concordia had enough lifeboats but because of the tilt of the ship they could deploy them all
Seems ridiculous that no-one has ever thought about that problem before now,do ships designers assume thata stricken ship will sink in a straight line
Maritime Law can only plan for a set of circumstances to maximise the chances of survival of every person on board. In the case of the Concordia, the people who set maritime law could not possibly have envisaged that a twat of a captain would sail so close to an island to show off that he'd actually hit it. The Queen Mary 2 is 3 times bigger than the Titanic and has enough lifeboats on each side of the ship for all on board so that even if she heeled over onto port or starboard there would be enough lifeboats on the side not in the water for everyone to survive. They have quick release systems that operate automatically if a degree of listing is reached and as the lifeboats are enclosed and self-righting they are impervious to sinking through being immersed in water."
Thank you Wishy
So if im looking to go on a cruise I need to make sure that the lifeboats have a quick release system incase of listing and are not there just to make the ship look the same on both sides;-) |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
"The Titanic cost £200m. So did Man City's current side.
One is a sinking ship.....The other was the Titanic."
The actual figure to build her was USD$7.5m (USD$400m in today's money - £250m Sterling - so you're not far off lol). |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"I have to question something about lifeboats and how from that disaster every ship now has enough for every passenger
The Concordia had enough lifeboats but because of the tilt of the ship they could deploy them all
Seems ridiculous that no-one has ever thought about that problem before now,do ships designers assume thata stricken ship will sink in a straight line
Maritime Law can only plan for a set of circumstances to maximise the chances of survival of every person on board. In the case of the Concordia, the people who set maritime law could not possibly have envisaged that a twat of a captain would sail so close to an island to show off that he'd actually hit it. The Queen Mary 2 is 3 times bigger than the Titanic and has enough lifeboats on each side of the ship for all on board so that even if she heeled over onto port or starboard there would be enough lifeboats on the side not in the water for everyone to survive. They have quick release systems that operate automatically if a degree of listing is reached and as the lifeboats are enclosed and self-righting they are impervious to sinking through being immersed in water."
but surely if the ship was on its side, one lot of lifeboats would be under the water and the other side would only go as far as the side of the ship as it would be pointing skywards ?? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
"but surely if the ship was on its side, one lot of lifeboats would be under the water and the other side would only go as far as the side of the ship as it would be pointing skywards ??"
As said before, Maritime Law can only plan for so much. There's nothing anyone can do if a ship suffers immediate catastophic failure (like a huge tidal wave) that heels to vessel over before it's lifeboats can be launched.
Having said that, the lifeboats are sealed closed units and have an automatic release mechanism which will release them and if the ship sinks underneath them they will float. It's then up to any survivors to swim to them and get inside. (newer ones have cabin at either end and an access hole underneath so that swimmers can get inside without having to climb over the side of it) |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
Have any of you been deeply irritated yet by that Celine Dion competition that keeps being aired on the TV?.... it just goes on and on and on and on....
and the silly bint who does the voiceover says...
" To '''Celebrate''' the sinking of the Titanic."
bit insensitive that, I thought
 |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
Some while ago , i forget the detail, but i recall reading of a company marketing ice cube moulds in the shape of the Titanic ( miniatures obviously ) and icebergs.
There were complaints it was in bad taste but apparently they did well.
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
James Cameron funded a lot of the Titanic expeditions, if it wasn't for his research and dedication the information that has come to light wouldn't have been discovered.
We went to the Titanic exhibition at the Science and industry Museum in Manchester a few years back and it was a very touching exhibit to say the least.
If ever you get the chance to see it somewhere then go.
We actually touched part of the ship that was allowed to be recovered from the wreckage site.
There is a dvd available called Ghosts of the Abyss that documents the James Cameron visits to the Titanic site and is well worth watching. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
There is a programme on Nat Geo running at the moment called Titanic: Final Word with James Cameron, and in it he has assembled eight experts from naval architecture, the Titanic society, oceanic researchers etc etc, and between them they've mapped the debris field of the wreck site and pieced together how the ship came to be lying where it is, it's path down from the surface and they have established as fact where it split in two. It's an absolutely fascinating programme and features a lot of the footage Cameron shot on his TWENTY-THREE dives to the wreck. He acknowledges that in his film he got a lot of the facts wrong but he maintains that he made the film based on information available at the time.
For instance, the stern of the ship did not raise to a vertical position before sinking, as in the film, but in fact it was still connected to the bow part via the double skinned hull plating and it was the bow that dragged it down at a 23 degree angle before breaking off completely. The stern then remained bouyant for a few minutes before the inrush of water took it down corkscrewing to a speed of 100mph as it went. Well worth a watch. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"I have to question something about lifeboats and how from that disaster every ship now has enough for every passenger
The Concordia had enough lifeboats but because of the tilt of the ship they could deploy them all
Seems ridiculous that no-one has ever thought about that problem before now,do ships designers assume thata stricken ship will sink in a straight line
Maritime Law can only plan for a set of circumstances to maximise the chances of survival of every person on board. In the case of the Concordia, the people who set maritime law could not possibly have envisaged that a twat of a captain would sail so close to an island to show off that he'd actually hit it. The Queen Mary 2 is 3 times bigger than the Titanic and has enough lifeboats on each side of the ship for all on board so that even if she heeled over onto port or starboard there would be enough lifeboats on the side not in the water for everyone to survive. They have quick release systems that operate automatically if a degree of listing is reached and as the lifeboats are enclosed and self-righting they are impervious to sinking through being immersed in water."
How does the degree of listing work if they are at rough sea but not therefore sinking? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
» Add a new message to this topic
