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Stadium not even emptied and already the press speculating on whether Eddie J will stay until the end of contract in 2021.. Australian press reporting that powerful figures at the top of Australia RU want Eddie for the Wallabies job..
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"Chill out and reflection ....if you want to.
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We weren't given the chance to play today, being hammered in the scrums meant we were always on the back foot. Ultimately though our guys have played a great tournament and I'm really proud of them.
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Well done SA.
Ref was always going to be dodgy. He was dodgy against Wales.
Putting a Frenchman on against England in final was a serious question of judgement by those in authority.
Least he was notified that there is such a thing called TMO for this game but didn't know how to use it. Forward pass for SA last try ignored, even the crowd saw it. 
As been said before, great world cup but will be remembered not for the right reasons.
SA united for a couple days a least.
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"Just got in.
I know the score but where did it go wrong for England?
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They were shite, plain and simple. Totally outclassed.
Eddie will have many excuses no doubt |
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"Just got in.
I know the score but where did it go wrong for England?
Their bus arrived late apparently  "
Unfortunately playing catch up, it's a new thread and I haven't read the last one.
Last week we got beaten by South Africa who, I thought, played anti rugby. Just kicked the fuck out of it.
Same today? |
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"Just got in.
I know the score but where did it go wrong for England?
They were shite, plain and simple. Totally outclassed.
Eddie will have many excuses no doubt "
They weren’t ‘shite’ . SA were brilliant no shame in losing to them today |
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"Just got in.
I know the score but where did it go wrong for England?
Their bus arrived late apparently
Unfortunately playing catch up, it's a new thread and I haven't read the last one.
Last week we got beaten by South Africa who, I thought, played anti rugby. Just kicked the fuck out of it.
Same today?"
Same pattern yes - stifling defence and brutal physicality for the whole 80 with a couple of tries in the last 20 mins
England had no go forward ball and hit a green wall constantly so couldn't play their game.
Same as they did against Japan and then against us. Squeezed the life out |
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"Game of the tournament!
SA were a different class!  "
Most definitely not game of the tournament......that would be the England semi or either of Japan's great victories.
England not 'shite'....just unable to get on the front foot due to Springboks power game
Lost....but no disgrace |
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"Just got in.
I know the score but where did it go wrong for England?
Their bus arrived late apparently
Unfortunately playing catch up, it's a new thread and I haven't read the last one.
Last week we got beaten by South Africa who, I thought, played anti rugby. Just kicked the fuck out of it.
Same today?"
I'd say so.
The South Africans had a great defensive game, but the constant playing for penalties isn't a great game to watch at all. Same can be said when England had Johnny Wilkinson and opted to kick every 5 seconds. It takes the flow out of the game.
Personally I'd like to see them do something to free the game up a bit more.
Today's match is a classic example of why League fans mock the Union game. Whereas the AllBlacks vs England match was a completely different game to watch (whichever side you supported).
Can't fault SA for their strategy, just makes a boring game is all, to watch, or play.
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By *abrina59TV/TS
over a year ago
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England have been on the front foot throughout the whole World Cup and always thought SA were perhaps the one team who could match them physically, which was the case.
Going backward in the scrums & not getting go forward ball in the loose like they have it was always difficult to see how England would react to & overcome that.
Unfortunately for England they didn't have anything to change that.
Not being able to play the French who bring similar physical game as SA maybe hindered there quest to win the Final |
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"Just got in.
I know the score but where did it go wrong for England?
Their bus arrived late apparently
Unfortunately playing catch up, it's a new thread and I haven't read the last one.
Last week we got beaten by South Africa who, I thought, played anti rugby. Just kicked the fuck out of it.
Same today?
I'd say so.
The South Africans had a great defensive game, but the constant playing for penalties isn't a great game to watch at all. Same can be said when England had Johnny Wilkinson and opted to kick every 5 seconds. It takes the flow out of the game.
Personally I'd like to see them do something to free the game up a bit more.
Today's match is a classic example of why League fans mock the Union game. Whereas the AllBlacks vs England match was a completely different game to watch (whichever side you supported).
Can't fault SA for their strategy, just makes a boring game is all, to watch, or play.
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That's a shame because it's been a great tournament but this happens in finals in so many sports.
In the group games it's about getting better each game and in knock out its just about winning. Not the performance.
It worked for SA last week and again today.
I haven't missed much then. (Haven't seen any of the game and won't bother) |
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"Just got in.
I know the score but where did it go wrong for England?
They were shite, plain and simple. Totally outclassed.
Eddie will have many excuses no doubt
They weren’t ‘shite’ . SA were brilliant no shame in losing to them today "
Your opinion, you’re entitled to it.
I thought they were shite.
ROG summed it up perfectly “no scrum, no win”
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I think it was a brilliant world cup and Japan as hosts did an amazing job.
Teams will have to adapt (as they always do) due to the result and the way SA played. Not the prettiest or most enjoyable rugby but was effective against 'better' teams (more than once).
Overall it's been a great tournament, fun to watch and the team who had the best tactics won.
Only negative I can come up with is a shite French ref, but I've complained about him for years so nothing new there. |
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"Just got in.
I know the score but where did it go wrong for England?
They were shite, plain and simple. Totally outclassed.
Eddie will have many excuses no doubt "
They weren’t shite and Eddie didn’t make any excuses, when interviewed he just said we couldn’t get in the game, simples |
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By *reykiwi500Man
over a year ago
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"I think it was a brilliant world cup and Japan as hosts did an amazing job.
Teams will have to adapt (as they always do) due to the result and the way SA played. Not the prettiest or most enjoyable rugby but was effective against 'better' teams (more than once).
Overall it's been a great tournament, fun to watch and the team who had the best tactics won.
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Agree with all this |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Just got in.
I know the score but where did it go wrong for England?
They were shite, plain and simple. Totally outclassed.
Eddie will have many excuses no doubt
They weren’t shite and Eddie didn’t make any excuses, when interviewed he just said we couldn’t get in the game, simples "
Again, we’re all entitled to our opinions SB. I thought they were shite in comparison to the rest of the tournament.
I’ll leave it at that |
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"Just got in.
I know the score but where did it go wrong for England?
They were shite, plain and simple. Totally outclassed.
Eddie will have many excuses no doubt
They weren’t shite and Eddie didn’t make any excuses, when interviewed he just said we couldn’t get in the game, simples
Again, we’re all entitled to our opinions SB. I thought they were shite in comparison to the rest of the tournament.
I’ll leave it at that "
It’s ok, you can call me Sandy  |
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"Just got in.
I know the score but where did it go wrong for England?
They were shite, plain and simple. Totally outclassed.
Eddie will have many excuses no doubt
They weren’t shite and Eddie didn’t make any excuses, when interviewed he just said we couldn’t get in the game, simples
Again, we’re all entitled to our opinions SB. I thought they were shite in comparison to the rest of the tournament.
I’ll leave it at that
It’s ok, you can call me Sandy "
No hard feelings, Sandy! Xx |
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"Just got in.
I know the score but where did it go wrong for England?
They were shite, plain and simple. Totally outclassed.
Eddie will have many excuses no doubt
They weren’t shite and Eddie didn’t make any excuses, when interviewed he just said we couldn’t get in the game, simples
Again, we’re all entitled to our opinions SB. I thought they were shite in comparison to the rest of the tournament.
I’ll leave it at that
It’s ok, you can call me Sandy
No hard feelings, Sandy! Xx"
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Watching the South African defence deal with a relentless attack from England 2m from SA line (around 66 minute ) was fantastic.
Had England anticipated the game may not go according to the script they expected, they wouldn’t have looked like rabbits in the headlights .
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By *reykiwi500Man
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"Watching the South African defence deal with a relentless attack from England 2m from SA line (around 66 minute ) was fantastic.
Had England anticipated the game may not go according to the script they expected, they wouldn’t have looked like rabbits in the headlights .
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Yep agree on both points. That defence holding out was brilliant.
Watching England this morning did remind me of NZ a week earlier in terms of adapting to what's going on during the match. |
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I think that most of the kicking came from the English side. I actually don't remember a game where Faf passed down the line instead of endless box kicks.
To say that the Springboks "played for penalties" is also unfair. They ran in two tries whereas England got 100% of their points from penalties.
Naas Botha is very fond of saying "Finals aren't pretty". As for boring.... well if watching a world class scrum like that in action bores you there's always league and 7's....
When I complained about the ref someone on this forum said "no one really cares" I bet you care now |
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"I think that most of the kicking came from the English side. I actually don't remember a game where Faf passed down the line instead of endless box kicks.
To say that the Springboks "played for penalties" is also unfair. They ran in two tries whereas England got 100% of their points from penalties.
Naas Botha is very fond of saying "Finals aren't pretty". As for boring.... well if watching a world class scrum like that in action bores you there's always league and 7's....
When I complained about the ref someone on this forum said "no one really cares" I bet you care now "
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Not been on the thread much today so my two pence worth. SA deserved the win today. England have come out of the world cup with probably their strongest team in a generation. Not bad. It was an enjoyable tournament but not from the point of view of supporting my own team Ireland. We were shockingly poor and have been for a year now. I am delighted for the SA coaching ticket to win that world cup today as many are former Munster men. My Team. So delighted for Felix Jones. Great story for him. Now has a winners medal after missing out on even playing in a world cup with Ireland.
Also just to say thanks Boldy for starting up this thread at the start.It's been very enjoyable chatting to all you rugby folk. |
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"Not been on the thread much today so my two pence worth. SA deserved the win today. England have come out of the world cup with probably their strongest team in a generation. Not bad. It was an enjoyable tournament but not from the point of view of supporting my own team Ireland. We were shockingly poor and have been for a year now. I am delighted for the SA coaching ticket to win that world cup today as many are former Munster men. My Team. So delighted for Felix Jones. Great story for him. Now has a winners medal after missing out on even playing in a world cup with Ireland.
Also just to say thanks Boldy for starting up this thread at the start.It's been very enjoyable chatting to all you rugby folk. "
I second that. Thanks Boldy What a gal
Please be nice to all the SA boys coming to your clubs. We leave them in your care  |
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"Not been on the thread much today so my two pence worth. SA deserved the win today. England have come out of the world cup with probably their strongest team in a generation. Not bad. It was an enjoyable tournament but not from the point of view of supporting my own team Ireland. We were shockingly poor and have been for a year now. I am delighted for the SA coaching ticket to win that world cup today as many are former Munster men. My Team. So delighted for Felix Jones. Great story for him. Now has a winners medal after missing out on even playing in a world cup with Ireland.
Also just to say thanks Boldy for starting up this thread at the start.It's been very enjoyable chatting to all you rugby folk.
I second that. Thanks Boldy What a gal
Please be nice to all the SA boys coming to your clubs. We leave them in your care "
Yeah and when Munster send them back to South Africa they go and win the world cup for ye |
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"Yes thank you Boldy and Trev (now known as trigger fingers Trev) for creating the threads and keeping us entertained and informed, much love to all on the thread  "
I did try and mail you earlier. Filters 
Looking forward to the 6Ns banter already lovely (lovely) x |
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"Yes thank you Boldy and Trev (now known as trigger fingers Trev) for creating the threads and keeping us entertained and informed, much love to all on the thread
I did try and mail you earlier. Filters
Looking forward to the 6Ns banter already lovely (lovely) x"
I hope Trev likes his new name |
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"Yes thank you Boldy and Trev (now known as trigger fingers Trev) for creating the threads and keeping us entertained and informed, much love to all on the thread
I did try and mail you earlier. Filters
Looking forward to the 6Ns banter already lovely (lovely) x
I hope Trev likes his new name "
I do believe he does
I’m thinking maybe time to change username ...
Triggerfingers
It’s not like folks would get the wrong idea, would they ?? |
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"Yes thank you Boldy and Trev (now known as trigger fingers Trev) for creating the threads and keeping us entertained and informed, much love to all on the thread
I did try and mail you earlier. Filters
Looking forward to the 6Ns banter already lovely (lovely) x
I hope Trev likes his new name
I do believe he does
I’m thinking maybe time to change username ...
Triggerfingers
It’s not like folks would get the wrong idea, would they ?? "
Pow pow |
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South Africa were clinical and efficient , our ball off the breakdown was too slow and often inaccurate so we had no momentum, couple that with such a dominant scrum and it was game over.
England have done fantastic and so proud but SA had the answers to their game plan from the start. |
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England peaked against the All Blacks and the message from Eddie and the England camp was that better was to come. They were too cocky and arrogant and thought they could turn up and win. At least Wales gave the Boks a game. England were like white rabbits in green headlights |
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"Yes thank you Boldy and Trev (now known as trigger fingers Trev) for creating the threads and keeping us entertained and informed, much love to all on the thread
I did try and mail you earlier. Filters
Looking forward to the 6Ns banter already lovely (lovely) x
I hope Trev likes his new name "
Suits him |
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I've seen the footage of the medals this morning.
What a pair of knobs doing that. Could of taken them off 10 seconds later and no one would of known.
I hope no kids think that's acceptable when finishing second. |
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"England peaked against the All Blacks and the message from Eddie and the England camp was that better was to come. They were too cocky and arrogant and thought they could turn up and win. At least Wales gave the Boks a game. England were like white rabbits in green headlights "
yeah well done sorry what colour was wales medal ? Oh that’s right they didn’t get one pmsl |
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That wasn’t nice to see at all really...
On a lighter note:
I’ve been looking at some pics from the South African players celebrations and there is one of Faf De Klerk in a pair of South African flag speedos kissing the cup
Everyone else is of course dressed in theirs |
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"England peaked against the All Blacks and the message from Eddie and the England camp was that better was to come. They were too cocky and arrogant and thought they could turn up and win. At least Wales gave the Boks a game. England were like white rabbits in green headlights yeah well done sorry what colour was wales medal ? Oh that’s right they didn’t get one pmsl"
You seriously laughing at that? |
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"England peaked against the All Blacks and the message from Eddie and the England camp was that better was to come. They were too cocky and arrogant and thought they could turn up and win. At least Wales gave the Boks a game. England were like white rabbits in green headlights yeah well done sorry what colour was wales medal ? Oh that’s right they didn’t get one pmsl
You seriously laughing at that?"
He's grasping at straws
It's quite comical
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Not wearing their medals was petulant and childish. It was not as if they were robbed "
No it wasn't it just showed that they are not happy with second best and that attitude will stand them in good stead for the future.Personally i was happy to see that reaction but Im sure in years to come they will be proud to have made the final.
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"Not wearing their medals was petulant and childish. It was not as if they were robbed No it wasn't it just showed that they are not happy with second best and that attitude will stand them in good stead for the future.Personally i was happy to see that reaction but Im sure in years to come they will be proud to have made the final. "
Personally how you lose says a lot about you. Being disappointed with second is one thing. But in the spirit of the game, their fans, fellow countrymen and opponents it’s just petulant and disrespectful. Sorry nothing about that said gracious in defeat to me. |
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"Not wearing their medals was petulant and childish. It was not as if they were robbed No it wasn't it just showed that they are not happy with second best and that attitude will stand them in good stead for the future.Personally i was happy to see that reaction but Im sure in years to come they will be proud to have made the final.
Personally how you lose says a lot about you. Being disappointed with second is one thing. But in the spirit of the game, their fans, fellow countrymen and opponents it’s just petulant and disrespectful. Sorry nothing about that said gracious in defeat to me. "
I agree
People need to stop making excuses for them
They are professionals and the way they come across off the field is as important as on it and they did themselves no favours whatsoever there and will now be remembered for the wrong reason, being poor losers. |
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By *reykiwi500Man
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"Not wearing their medals was petulant and childish. It was not as if they were robbed
Apparently some people think they were! 
Surely even the most one eyed English fan couldn't try and claim England were robbed?? They were totally outplayed and beaten fairly in ever aspect of the game. To say otherwise is embarrassing  "
That's what I would have thought too. Was reading some articles this morning showing quite a few tweets about England being robbed by forward passes.
Couldn't believe it! |
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By *reykiwi500Man
over a year ago
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"Not wearing their medals was petulant and childish. It was not as if they were robbed No it wasn't it just showed that they are not happy with second best and that attitude will stand them in good stead for the future.Personally i was happy to see that reaction but Im sure in years to come they will be proud to have made the final.
Personally how you lose says a lot about you. Being disappointed with second is one thing. But in the spirit of the game, their fans, fellow countrymen and opponents it’s just petulant and disrespectful. Sorry nothing about that said gracious in defeat to me.
I agree
People need to stop making excuses for them
They are professionals and the way they come across off the field is as important as on it and they did themselves no favours whatsoever there and will now be remembered for the wrong reason, being poor losers."
Totally agree with both of you. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Not wearing their medals was petulant and childish. It was not as if they were robbed No it wasn't it just showed that they are not happy with second best and that attitude will stand them in good stead for the future.Personally i was happy to see that reaction but Im sure in years to come they will be proud to have made the final.
Personally how you lose says a lot about you. Being disappointed with second is one thing. But in the spirit of the game, their fans, fellow countrymen and opponents it’s just petulant and disrespectful. Sorry nothing about that said gracious in defeat to me. "
Sorry cannot agree with you i dont see it as disrespectful not wearing a medal that says you are a loser.It would be not to accept it but can fully understand the players attitude as i expect their opponents do too. |
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"Not wearing their medals was petulant and childish. It was not as if they were robbed No it wasn't it just showed that they are not happy with second best and that attitude will stand them in good stead for the future.Personally i was happy to see that reaction but Im sure in years to come they will be proud to have made the final. "
So your okay if kids start doing this at the end of the season in finals are you? (In all sports)
All in the name of showing a reaction?
How come NZ were so happy wearing theirs for finishing 3rd? They are used to winning the WC not finishing 2nd or even 3rd.
I firmly believe you have to learn how to accept defeat and be gracious in victory. Thank God England didn't win it based on that.
However. I've only seen two England players reject their medals. 10 seconds later, not on TV cameras, no/less harm done |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Not wearing their medals was petulant and childish. It was not as if they were robbed No it wasn't it just showed that they are not happy with second best and that attitude will stand them in good stead for the future.Personally i was happy to see that reaction but Im sure in years to come they will be proud to have made the final.
So your okay if kids start doing this at the end of the season in finals are you? (In all sports)
All in the name of showing a reaction?
How come NZ were so happy wearing theirs for finishing 3rd? They are used to winning the WC not finishing 2nd or even 3rd.
I firmly believe you have to learn how to accept defeat and be gracious in victory. Thank God England didn't win it based on that.
However. I've only seen two England players reject their medals. 10 seconds later, not on TV cameras, no/less harm done"
Mate you wouldnt have wanted them to win anyway so dont give me that crap. |
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"Not wearing their medals was petulant and childish. It was not as if they were robbed No it wasn't it just showed that they are not happy with second best and that attitude will stand them in good stead for the future.Personally i was happy to see that reaction but Im sure in years to come they will be proud to have made the final.
So your okay if kids start doing this at the end of the season in finals are you? (In all sports)
All in the name of showing a reaction?
How come NZ were so happy wearing theirs for finishing 3rd? They are used to winning the WC not finishing 2nd or even 3rd.
I firmly believe you have to learn how to accept defeat and be gracious in victory. Thank God England didn't win it based on that.
However. I've only seen two England players reject their medals. 10 seconds later, not on TV cameras, no/less harm doneMate you wouldnt have wanted them to win anyway so dont give me that crap. "
Can you explain what you mean? |
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By *a LunaWoman
over a year ago
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"England peaked against the All Blacks and the message from Eddie and the England camp was that better was to come. They were too cocky and arrogant and thought they could turn up and win. At least Wales gave the Boks a game. England were like white rabbits in green headlights yeah well done sorry what colour was wales medal ? Oh that’s right they didn’t get one pmsl"
Remind me how much South Africa beat Wales by? 3 points wasn’t it?
How much did they beat England by? 20 points wasn’t it?
Hmmmm
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By *a LunaWoman
over a year ago
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If they can’t stand being second they’re going to have to seriously up their gamemanship or they will have disappointing International career ahead of them.
How often do they actually win stuff? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Not wearing their medals was petulant and childish. It was not as if they were robbed No it wasn't it just showed that they are not happy with second best and that attitude will stand them in good stead for the future.Personally i was happy to see that reaction but Im sure in years to come they will be proud to have made the final.
Personally how you lose says a lot about you. Being disappointed with second is one thing. But in the spirit of the game, their fans, fellow countrymen and opponents it’s just petulant and disrespectful. Sorry nothing about that said gracious in defeat to me. Sorry cannot agree with you i dont see it as disrespectful not wearing a medal that says you are a loser.It would be not to accept it but can fully understand the players attitude as i expect their opponents do too."
I’m not going to continue this argument but you obviously haven’t paid much attention to who England was playing. Go read a little about Siya and what he has said leading up to this final, about coming from a background where his biggest worry was where his next meal was coming from to being captain of South Africa at a World Cup. Even if they lost they wouldn’t have understood that mentality at all... |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"England peaked against the All Blacks and the message from Eddie and the England camp was that better was to come. They were too cocky and arrogant and thought they could turn up and win. At least Wales gave the Boks a game. England were like white rabbits in green headlights yeah well done sorry what colour was wales medal ? Oh that’s right they didn’t get one pmsl
Remind me how much South Africa beat Wales by? 3 points wasn’t it?
How much did they beat England by? 20 points wasn’t it?
Hmmmm
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I am not arguing about the result England were totally outplayed yesterday and SA fully deserve to win.You cannot compare one game one week with another the next week though it just sounds like welsh anti English sour grapes to me. |
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"That wasn’t nice to see at all really...
On a lighter note:
I’ve been looking at some pics from the South African players celebrations and there is one of Faf De Klerk in a pair of South African flag speedos kissing the cup
Everyone else is of course dressed in theirs "
Said photo is the best photo of the tournament
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"That wasn’t nice to see at all really...
On a lighter note:
I’ve been looking at some pics from the South African players celebrations and there is one of Faf De Klerk in a pair of South African flag speedos kissing the cup
Everyone else is of course dressed in theirs
Said photo is the best photo of the tournament
Simply brilliant. Tiny pants. "
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"This thread should have ended when we all said thank you to Boldy and Trev, it’s over stop arguing mute points that aren’t going to change anything. "
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The two SA tries were absolutely brilliant to watch and the try count 2-0 underlined the Bok superiority. Warren Garland warned that after the New Zealand semi final that teams often drop off in performance. Eddie kindly reminded Warren to enjoy his 3rd place play off. Although they did not win the Grand Slam last time out they saw themselves as world champions elect in my view. Teams who are not humble in defeat often crumble because they cannot believe or accept what is happening to them. They were systematically taken apart .... |
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Olympics are out in Japan next year. If we all agree that they have done a superb job with Rugby, how good are they going go be putting on all the other sports for us to enjoy?
It could be the very best Olympics ever.
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By *os19Man
over a year ago
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I think England’s final was against New Zealand and they couldn’t hit those heights again a week later South Africa stuck to their game plan and it paid off.My rugby knowledge is not the best so perhaps the more knowledge can help me out I know their are discipline issues but couldn’t Danny Ciparati and Chris Ashton improved the starting 15 If they had been selected in the squad in the first place.Is Danny too wild to tame ? |
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"Olympics are out in Japan next year. If we all agree that they have done a superb job with Rugby, how good are they going go be putting on all the other sports for us to enjoy?
It could be the very best Olympics ever.
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And that is a sport where very few refuse to wear their medals with pride... |
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"The two SA tries were absolutely brilliant to watch and the try count 2-0 underlined the Bok superiority. Warren Garland warned that after the New Zealand semi final that teams often drop off in performance. Eddie kindly reminded Warren to enjoy his 3rd place play off. Although they did not win the Grand Slam last time out they saw themselves as world champions elect in my view. Teams who are not humble in defeat often crumble because they cannot believe or accept what is happening to them. They were systematically taken apart ...."
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"Olympics are out in Japan next year. If we all agree that they have done a superb job with Rugby, how good are they going go be putting on all the other sports for us to enjoy?
It could be the very best Olympics ever.
And that is a sport where very few refuse to wear their medals with pride... "
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"Olympics are out in Japan next year. If we all agree that they have done a superb job with Rugby, how good are they going go be putting on all the other sports for us to enjoy?
It could be the very best Olympics ever.
And that is a sport where very few refuse to wear their medals with pride...
Sorry, I don't understand?"
I meant that it would surprise me to see an athlete reusing to wear their medal on the podium. Yes it has happened and I remember the black power salutes ...
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"Olympics are out in Japan next year. If we all agree that they have done a superb job with Rugby, how good are they going go be putting on all the other sports for us to enjoy?
It could be the very best Olympics ever.
And that is a sport where very few refuse to wear their medals with pride...
Sorry, I don't understand?
I meant that it would surprise me to see an athlete reusing to wear their medal on the podium. Yes it has happened and I remember the black power salutes ...
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But that's for political reasons not being a sore fanny.
We know how much the Japanese regard honour and values.
I happened to see part of The One Show Friday night. They had Sinkler's ex PE teacher on saying how humble and respectfull etc he is.
Good on him btw for reaching the very top, almost, and coming from a public school, hard area background and staying on the right path.
I imagine he will come out and apologise for his rash decision same goes for Otoje. |
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"Olympics are out in Japan next year. If we all agree that they have done a superb job with Rugby, how good are they going go be putting on all the other sports for us to enjoy?
It could be the very best Olympics ever.
And that is a sport where very few refuse to wear their medals with pride...
Sorry, I don't understand?
I meant that it would surprise me to see an athlete reusing to wear their medal on the podium. Yes it has happened and I remember the black power salutes ...
But that's for political reasons not being a sore fanny.
We know how much the Japanese regard honour and values.
I happened to see part of The One Show Friday night. They had Sinkler's ex PE teacher on saying how humble and respectfull etc he is.
Good on him btw for reaching the very top, almost, and coming from a public school, hard area background and staying on the right path.
I imagine he will come out and apologise for his rash decision same goes for Otoje."
Pretty much all bar one player had their medals off before the coaching staff had got theirs on. Those two got caught on camera as they were handed them, unfortunately they'll be the ones that get most of the blame.
If honour and respect are your thing, then surely you're supposed to keep them on till you get to the dressing rooms? At the very least till South Africa got their Golds.
So much for rugby players respecting the referees?
I'd have thought if the ref were that biased, which I'm not sure he was.. then it'd have been better to do it formally, after the World Cup is fully over? Put a case together rather than sulk like petulant brats? |
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"Olympics are out in Japan next year. If we all agree that they have done a superb job with Rugby, how good are they going go be putting on all the other sports for us to enjoy?
It could be the very best Olympics ever.
And that is a sport where very few refuse to wear their medals with pride...
Sorry, I don't understand?
I meant that it would surprise me to see an athlete reusing to wear their medal on the podium. Yes it has happened and I remember the black power salutes ...
But that's for political reasons not being a sore fanny.
We know how much the Japanese regard honour and values.
I happened to see part of The One Show Friday night. They had Sinkler's ex PE teacher on saying how humble and respectfull etc he is.
Good on him btw for reaching the very top, almost, and coming from a public school, hard area background and staying on the right path.
I imagine he will come out and apologise for his rash decision same goes for Otoje.
Pretty much all bar one player had their medals off before the coaching staff had got theirs on. Those two got caught on camera as they were handed them, unfortunately they'll be the ones that get most of the blame.
If honour and respect are your thing, then surely you're supposed to keep them on till you get to the dressing rooms? At the very least till South Africa got their Golds.
So much for rugby players respecting the referees?
I'd have thought if the ref were that biased, which I'm not sure he was.. then it'd have been better to do it formally, after the World Cup is fully over? Put a case together rather than sulk like petulant brats? "
Oh okay this sheds new light on it for me. I honestly thought it was just those two. I've seen one clip of the ceremony. Perhaps a team decision? Doubt it though.
Was it a protest against the ref?
Was he that bad?
I always coach my players that no matter how many mistakes the ref makes, the players will always make more.
I still think football could learn from rugby and other sports in regards to respecting the ref.
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"Olympics are out in Japan next year. If we all agree that they have done a superb job with Rugby, how good are they going go be putting on all the other sports for us to enjoy?
It could be the very best Olympics ever.
And that is a sport where very few refuse to wear their medals with pride...
Sorry, I don't understand?
I meant that it would surprise me to see an athlete reusing to wear their medal on the podium. Yes it has happened and I remember the black power salutes ...
But that's for political reasons not being a sore fanny.
We know how much the Japanese regard honour and values.
I happened to see part of The One Show Friday night. They had Sinkler's ex PE teacher on saying how humble and respectfull etc he is.
Good on him btw for reaching the very top, almost, and coming from a public school, hard area background and staying on the right path.
I imagine he will come out and apologise for his rash decision same goes for Otoje."
If there is any apology it will be generated from the PR machine. I am not sure that an apology is needed. It is what is it. I am sure the SA don't give a toss and more inclined to think Japanese people may raise an eyebrow. To put it in context. If Japan had got that medal can you imagine the pride and happy faces. It was about England expectation and the arrogance of the turn up and win mentality which worked against them once again. |
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"Olympics are out in Japan next year. If we all agree that they have done a superb job with Rugby, how good are they going go be putting on all the other sports for us to enjoy?
It could be the very best Olympics ever.
And that is a sport where very few refuse to wear their medals with pride...
Sorry, I don't understand?
I meant that it would surprise me to see an athlete reusing to wear their medal on the podium. Yes it has happened and I remember the black power salutes ...
But that's for political reasons not being a sore fanny.
We know how much the Japanese regard honour and values.
I happened to see part of The One Show Friday night. They had Sinkler's ex PE teacher on saying how humble and respectfull etc he is.
Good on him btw for reaching the very top, almost, and coming from a public school, hard area background and staying on the right path.
I imagine he will come out and apologise for his rash decision same goes for Otoje.
If there is any apology it will be generated from the PR machine. I am not sure that an apology is needed. It is what is it. I am sure the SA don't give a toss and more inclined to think Japanese people may raise an eyebrow. To put it in context. If Japan had got that medal can you imagine the pride and happy faces. It was about England expectation and the arrogance of the turn up and win mentality which worked against them once again."
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"This thread is starting to hurt my eyes now. 
- I’m out
Ice bath done, muscles reconditioned, it’s been a ball.
Loads more actual rugby to follow
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To be honest I just think the medal thing was a manifestation of how humiliated they were.
In some ways I blame the biased English Press. Read back last week's reports and no wonder they believed there own publicity. It's like spoiling a child and constantly telling him he is the best then that spoilt child cannot deal with failure imo
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So we're only allowed to talk about the games themselves on this thread? Nothing related? Can't talk about majority of Home Nations fans disrespect and strong dislike of England team, can't talk about medals ceremony.. Just rosie rugby, nuffin else? No hard feelings?
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By *imbo59seMan
over a year ago
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"England peaked against the All Blacks and the message from Eddie and the England camp was that better was to come. They were too cocky and arrogant and thought they could turn up and win. At least Wales gave the Boks a game. England were like white rabbits in green headlights yeah well done sorry what colour was wales medal ? Oh that’s right they didn’t get one pmsl
Remind me how much South Africa beat Wales by? 3 points wasn’t it?
How much did they beat England by? 20 points wasn’t it?
Hmmmm
I am not arguing about the result England were totally outplayed yesterday and SA fully deserve to win.You cannot compare one game one week with another the next week though it just sounds like welsh anti English sour grapes to me. "
Agree totally about not comparing one week to another, different tactics and pressures come into play in a final....not least of which from the media! (without meaning to add fuel to the fire but, when have Wales ever experienced the pressures of a World Cup final!!) |
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"To be honest I just think the medal thing was a manifestation of how humiliated they were.
In some ways I blame the biased English Press. Read back last week's reports and no wonder they believed there own publicity. It's like spoiling a child and constantly telling him he is the best then that spoilt child cannot deal with failure imo
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While I think a lot of people here and elsewhere thought all England had to do was turn up and catch the ball I don't think the players felt like that.
With such a big background team of staff with professional sport, I don't think players are allowed to share the same mindset as press and supporters.
Other than Clive Woodwood I didn't see any other kind of sense spoken in the build up. He kind of suggested England would get steam rolled.
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"England peaked against the All Blacks and the message from Eddie and the England camp was that better was to come. They were too cocky and arrogant and thought they could turn up and win. At least Wales gave the Boks a game. England were like white rabbits in green headlights yeah well done sorry what colour was wales medal ? Oh that’s right they didn’t get one pmsl
Remind me how much South Africa beat Wales by? 3 points wasn’t it?
How much did they beat England by? 20 points wasn’t it?
Hmmmm
I am not arguing about the result England were totally outplayed yesterday and SA fully deserve to win.You cannot compare one game one week with another the next week though it just sounds like welsh anti English sour grapes to me.
Agree totally about not comparing one week to another, different tactics and pressures come into play in a final....not least of which from the media! (without meaning to add fuel to the fire but, when have Wales ever experienced the pressures of a World Cup final!!) "
We haven't. I don't think we are supposed to. There's only 3.5M living here to start off with.
However, I don't think there would be that much pressure. I'd like to think we'd turn up and enjoy it.
Can you imagine us in a final omg how amazing would that be.
7 days is a huge amount of time in sport. I use Southampton FC as a very fresh example of this.
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By *imbo59seMan
over a year ago
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"Not wearing their medals was petulant and childish. It was not as if they were robbed
Apparently some people think they were!
Surely even the most one eyed English fan couldn't try and claim England were robbed?? They were totally outplayed and beaten fairly in ever aspect of the game. To say otherwise is embarrassing
That's what I would have thought too. Was reading some articles this morning showing quite a few tweets about England being robbed by forward passes.
Couldn't believe it!"
No problem with the result, we were playing catch up from early on, any optimism I had had gone at half time.
There was one, possibly two, forward passes in the first try. About half a yard forward, I think it was Marx and his hands definitely went forward in the pass. How it wasn't seen in the review I don't know.
HOWEVER, no way did that affect the overall result, SA deserved to win, no question about it.
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I would be interested to think what the England world cup winning coaching staff and players really think. It keeps them going as commentators etc.
Had England won this cup then a new generation of younger ones would have taken over. I wonder if secretly some of them are pleased |
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Cummon guys! England have won the Cricket World cup and come second in the Rugby World Cup. That's not nothing! It's so hard for a team to put their best performance week in and week out. England played out of their skins to clean up the All Blacks in what I thought was the game of the tournament.
Chins up! You've got a hell of a lot to be proud of!
PS does anyone know wherw you can buy Springbok budgie smugglers? Faf has started something and I want to get ahead of fashion for once |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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"I would be interested to think what the England world cup winning coaching staff and players really think. It keeps them going as commentators etc.
Had England won this cup then a new generation of younger ones would have taken over. I wonder if secretly some of them are pleased "
You are suggesting they are bigger fans of themselves than they are of the team?
Good luck putting that suggestion to any of them lol |
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That is exactly what I am suggesting. I listened to interviews with top England strikers who were on the bench saying that they hoped that those replacing them did not score. A strikers instinct.. |
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I've thought long and hard before posting this.
Should Jerome Garces be excluded from officiating at any future games?
I don't think I'm saying it in a biased way and certainly not saying it has really affected the outcome of any games.
You have to play the officials as well as the opposition, same applies to all.
He is just shit though isn't he?
He misses so much, gets in obstructive positions rather than the right position and almost never refers to the TMO, supporting officials or anyone who may have had a better view than him?
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"I've thought long and hard before posting this.
Should Jerome Garces be excluded from officiating at any future games?
I don't think I'm saying it in a biased way and certainly not saying it has really affected the outcome of any games.
You have to play the officials as well as the opposition, same applies to all.
He is just shit though isn't he?
He misses so much, gets in obstructive positions rather than the right position and almost never refers to the TMO, supporting officials or anyone who may have had a better view than him?
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No. Invest more training and experience in him to help improve his game.
If he was the ref for Wales V SA, I thought he missed a few.
But isn't that to the video refs as well?
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over a year ago
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"I would be interested to think what the England world cup winning coaching staff and players really think. It keeps them going as commentators etc.
Had England won this cup then a new generation of younger ones would have taken over. I wonder if secretly some of them are pleased
You are suggesting they are bigger fans of themselves than they are of the team?
Good luck putting that suggestion to any of them lol"
Well put it this way- one group of players have the legend status that goes with being the only England team to win the wc.
So I’d take that as a starting point |
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"I would be interested to think what the England world cup winning coaching staff and players really think. It keeps them going as commentators etc.
Had England won this cup then a new generation of younger ones would have taken over. I wonder if secretly some of them are pleased
You are suggesting they are bigger fans of themselves than they are of the team?
Good luck putting that suggestion to any of them lol
Well put it this way- one group of players have the legend status that goes with being the only England team to win the wc.
So I’d take that as a starting point "
I agree and they were awesome sweeping all before them. These recent clowns never even won the last 6 nations but cast themselves as favourites |
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"I've thought long and hard before posting this.
Should Jerome Garces be excluded from officiating at any future games?
I don't think I'm saying it in a biased way and certainly not saying it has really affected the outcome of any games.
You have to play the officials as well as the opposition, same applies to all.
He is just shit though isn't he?
He misses so much, gets in obstructive positions rather than the right position and almost never refers to the TMO, supporting officials or anyone who may have had a better view than him?
No. Invest more training and experience in him to help improve his game.
If he was the ref for Wales V SA, I thought he missed a few.
But isn't that to the video refs as well?
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He was the ref for the semi final between Wales and South Africa... |
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"Exactly..play the whistle not the ref "
So shite and unqualified people should be in charge and not questioned? If someone is not up to the quality required, understand rules and interpret them well then we should just accept the mediocrity? |
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"Exactly..play the whistle not the ref
So shite and unqualified people should be in charge and not questioned? If someone is not up to the quality required, understand rules and interpret them well then we should just accept the mediocrity? "
Hahaha.. these are the best refs in the world supported by Video ... |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"I would be interested to think what the England world cup winning coaching staff and players really think. It keeps them going as commentators etc.
Had England won this cup then a new generation of younger ones would have taken over. I wonder if secretly some of them are pleased
You are suggesting they are bigger fans of themselves than they are of the team?
Good luck putting that suggestion to any of them lol
Well put it this way- one group of players have the legend status that goes with being the only England team to win the wc.
So I’d take that as a starting point
I agree and they were awesome sweeping all before them. These recent clowns never even won the last 6 nations but cast themselves as favourites"
They didnt cast themselves as favourites the world rankings did, you really are a bitter person and guess you are probably more a football man than rugby by what you post on here. |
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"Exactly..play the whistle not the ref
So shite and unqualified people should be in charge and not questioned? If someone is not up to the quality required, understand rules and interpret them well then we should just accept the mediocrity?
Hahaha.. these are the best refs in the world supported by Video ..."
Did you read the rules that apply to when and how video evidence can be used? |
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I am repeating myself a bit here but if you watch the video on YouTube that is over (6 minutes long) of Jerome's blunders in the SA vs Nz game you wonder how he is allowed to ref anything.
Consider that the game is only 80 minutes in length and then, stop, start my nature. 6 minutes is a HUGE proportion of the time to be making mistakes. Especially since it probably only take a few decisions to swing a victory into a loss.
My feeling is that Jerome felt like the spotlight was on him for not blowing up scrum infringements and over compensated the other way. The same for bias against SA. He was so worried about being accused of bias against SA he was biased against England.
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"So England lost because of the referee.
I understand now"
I wouldn't say that. I would say that a referee of this calibre should not be in RWC reffing pools. It is almost as if World Rugby deliberately SEEKS the free advertising that comes with a controversial ref. It creates the hype that fills seats and imcreases the value of TV rights. |
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"So to increase revenue from TV rights the Authorities appoint a useless referee.. really ?
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Controversy generates interest.
Ten years ago the South African government was accused of corruption. Everyone called the accusers conspiracy theorists. Today the president of that government is being charged with "State Capture" estimated at a cost of R500 billion (possibly as much as a trillion). Imagine if that money had been ploughed into uplifting the poor, reviving the economy etc? |
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"So to increase revenue from TV rights the Authorities appoint a useless referee.. really ?
Controversy generates interest.
Ten years ago the South African government was accused of corruption. Everyone called the accusers conspiracy theorists. Today the president of that government is being charged with "State Capture" estimated at a cost of R500 billion (possibly as much as a trillion). Imagine if that money had been ploughed into uplifting the poor, reviving the economy etc?"
And do England lose as a consequence.... Great theory..
Not only lose.. got stuffed |
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"So to increase revenue from TV rights the Authorities appoint a useless referee.. really ?
Controversy generates interest.
Ten years ago the South African government was accused of corruption. Everyone called the accusers conspiracy theorists. Today the president of that government is being charged with "State Capture" estimated at a cost of R500 billion (possibly as much as a trillion). Imagine if that money had been ploughed into uplifting the poor, reviving the economy etc?"
Imagine if that was plowed into rugby..
England would have been thrashed by more points |
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I like to think that England gave their everything against the All Blacks and had nothing left in the tank for South Africa.
England hold your heads up high. You didn't just beat the All Blacks, you gave them a lesson in rugby. Nobody can say that, not even the South Africans. I know it would have been nice to win both the cricket and the rugby but second isn't nothing either. Can't win em all. |
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One game too many for England..
Unlike soccer world cups in rugby it's the more astute teams that goes furthest.. SA had a job and they did it..
Other pointers we welsh must rue only losing by 3pts..
Also following their performances surely it must be only time before Japan are invited to join southern hemisphere championship.. |
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