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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
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"I'd much rather children learned about peace and how to live in harmony with each other.
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You can't know what peace is without knowing war. You can't appreciate the good without knowing the bad side.
War and conflict is a very important and critical part of human nature and history (unfortunately).
It is natural, primates do it. Some troops of chimpanzees are brutal to each other.
Humans are self aware enough to know truely the damage war causes, but to fully lock it away in a vault is ignorant and naivety. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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What a brilliant idea, So eventually it will be all forget about.
Strong believer in the quote "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” |
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According to weather forecasters, Jonathon Ross and Gordon Ramsay depression and anxiety is on the increase among children. This can be cured by them holding up a placard and not talking during the ad break. This very useful advice will help along with not talking about the war apparently |
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"What a brilliant idea, So eventually it will be all forget about.
Strong believer in the quote "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”"
God knows how they'll explain remembrance Sunday and all the poppies |
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"Imagine, getting to 18 year old and thinking the world is a rosey place with a colourful history and then finding out Auschwitz existed"
We need to learn from the mistakes of the past.
We could do with looking at Germany in the 1930s and 40s right now, there are a lot of parallels to modern politics. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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God help us from so called "Experts"
The world is full of politicians that have learnt nothing about the true cost of war and repeating earlier mistakes.These same politicians almost certainly were taught about wars at school. Imagine the potential carnage if future politicians were never taught anything about the history of war !!!!!!!!!
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Some experts are saying that world wars should not be taught at school because it can affect the mental health of schoolchildren. Really?"
Maybe we should wrap our kids in cotton wool. Never let them leave the house. Tell them magic really exists. That there is no evil.
Sticking your head in the sand doesn't make the hard facts of life disappear.
In my opinion the best defence we have for our children is to educate them about the world we live in. Warts and all.
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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You can't know what peace is without knowing war. You can't appreciate the good without knowing the bad side.
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It wasn't all doom and gloom.
WWII gave us the NHS, council housing, social security, universal state education and a job for life in nationalised industry.
But no-one ever wants to talk about that. |
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They do talk about it, but the attempted eradication of a number of peoples, the wholesale loss of life, suffering, dereliction of cities, and setting off of nuclear weapons overshadowed it.
The political destabilisation of several continents and subsequent divvying up of the spoils still has repercussions today. Look at all the problems in the Middle East. |
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Trouble is the teaching is just propaganda for the establishment.
Wars are about mostly about selling arms and making money for the establishment.
Prior to WW2 Germany and Hitler was funded by the Anglo American banks primarily J.P. Morgan
American cooperation with the German military-industrial complex was so intense and pervasive that by 1933 the key sectors of German industry and large banks such as Deutsche Bank, Dresdner Bank, Donat Bank etc were under the control of American financial capital.
Basically we are talking about the funding of the Nazi party and A. Hitler personally by the UK and America.
As former German Chancellor Brüning wrote in his memoirs, since 1923, Hitler received large sums from abroad.
So having funded WW2 it was the Soviets who actually won it.
"It was the Western Allies’ extreme good fortune that the Russians, and not themselves, paid almost the entire ‘butcher’s bill’ for [defeating Nazi Germany], accepting 95 per cent of the military casualties of the three major powers of the Grand Alliance," writes historian Hastings.
None of the above is taught in schools. Why? Because it doesn't suit the political agenda to point out such inconvenient truths. |
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Don’t leave it to the schools, educate them yourselves. My lad has none about them from an early age, with age appropriate information. Last term he read The Boy in the Stripped Pyjamas to expand his knowledge a bit more
It’s about teaching them right from wrong and lots of things have naturally come up in conversation over the years that are tough topics, but they need to know without being gorey about it
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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"They do talk about it, but the attempted eradication of a number of peoples, the wholesale loss of life, suffering, dereliction of cities, and setting off of nuclear weapons overshadowed it.
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Yes, I understand that, but I've never heard it being taught.
The fascinating thing for me was how life changed for the ordinary person (rather than the propagandised derring-do of film drama).
Britain in 1939 was a pretty rotten place to live.
The crash of 1927, recession, depression, a decade of austerity . . . the ordinary person lived among abject squalor, disease, poverty, idleness and ignorance.
Inequality was terrible.
By 1942, when the British cabinet started to believe Britain might actually end up on the winning side, it realised it could not expect people to return to the way things were in 1939.
The sacrifice being made had to be for something better than had gone before.
So the Cabinet asked a civil servant called Beveridge to produce a report - a vision of how life would be very different after the war.
That was what gave us a state education to address ignorance, council housing to address squalor, the NHS to address disease, nationalised industry to address idleness and social security to address poverty.
All the parties at the 1945 General Election promised to implement it.
Labour was the most enthusiastic about it, embraced the Beveridge report with a passion and won a landslide victory.
It was the most radical programme of reform that came out of WWII.
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The "expert" here is a young reality TV star who seems to also claim that he knew nothing about climate change when he left school.
Random 22 year old says stupid shit. Bears shit in woods. Not a story. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Some experts are saying that world wars should not be taught at school because it can affect the mental health of schoolchildren. Really?
Maybe we should wrap our kids in cotton wool. Never let them leave the house. Tell them magic really exists. That there is no evil.
Sticking your head in the sand doesn't make the hard facts of life disappear.
In my opinion the best defence we have for our children is to educate them about the world we live in. Warts and all.
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"Some experts are saying that world wars should not be taught at school because it can affect the mental health of schoolchildren. Really?"
What experts? Where has this been reported.
Ww2 is part of curriculum in history GCSE and all school mark holocaust remembrance day.
Possibly fake news |
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"Some experts are saying that world wars should not be taught at school because it can affect the mental health of schoolchildren. Really?
What experts? Where has this been reported.
Ww2 is part of curriculum in history GCSE and all school mark holocaust remembrance day.
Possibly fake news "
The Sun and the Mail. |
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"Some experts are saying that world wars should not be taught at school because it can affect the mental health of schoolchildren. Really?
What experts? Where has this been reported.
Ww2 is part of curriculum in history GCSE and all school mark holocaust remembrance day.
Possibly fake news
The Sun and the Mail. "
Indeed. Most likely. |
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"Some experts are saying that world wars should not be taught at school because it can affect the mental health of schoolchildren. Really?
What experts? Where has this been reported.
Ww2 is part of curriculum in history GCSE and all school mark holocaust remembrance day.
Possibly fake news
The Sun and the Mail.
Indeed. Most likely. "
I googled based on the OP. My first post in this thread indicates what I found. Basically nothing of import. |
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"I'd much rather children learned about peace and how to live in harmony with each other.
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Then they need to learn how that peace was won and the price paid for it, otherwise it will happen again. If WW2 seems too long ago to be relevant to the poor little snowflakes then they should be taught about ethnic cleansing in the Balkans and why NATO had to intervene to stop it. |
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"I'd much rather children learned about peace and how to live in harmony with each other.
Then they need to learn how that peace was won and the price paid for it, otherwise it will happen again. If WW2 seems too long ago to be relevant to the poor little snowflakes then they should be taught about ethnic cleansing in the Balkans and why NATO had to intervene to stop it."
It was the UN. |
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"I'd much rather children learned about peace and how to live in harmony with each other.
Then they need to learn how that peace was won and the price paid for it, otherwise it will happen again. If WW2 seems too long ago to be relevant to the poor little snowflakes then they should be taught about ethnic cleansing in the Balkans and why NATO had to intervene to stop it.
It was the UN. "
Initially, before the NATO bombing campaign to cripple Milosevic's forces... |
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By *mmmMaybeCouple
over a year ago
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"Some experts are saying that world wars should not be taught at school because it can affect the mental health of schoolchildren. Really?"
Bollox, although there really was only one world war, They just had a rest at half time as they'd run out of men to massacre. :-/
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"Conscription will be a laugh if we ever have another war. The snowflakes won't know what's hit them."
I thought raising future generations not to suffer and to have better than the previous ones was a good thing?
And maybe read the whole thread before commenting. This millennial snowflake is capable of fact checking. |
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"Conscription will be a laugh if we ever have another war. The snowflakes won't know what's hit them.
I thought raising future generations not to suffer and to have better than the previous ones was a good thing?
And maybe read the whole thread before commenting. This millennial snowflake is capable of fact checking. "
How do you raise a generation "not to suffer"? |
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"Conscription will be a laugh if we ever have another war. The snowflakes won't know what's hit them.
I thought raising future generations not to suffer and to have better than the previous ones was a good thing?
And maybe read the whole thread before commenting. This millennial snowflake is capable of fact checking.
How do you raise a generation "not to suffer"?"
It's generally considered to be an ideal of parents to give their children a better life than they had. I worded it poorly.
But the idea that people under 40 are generally unprepared to witness and perpetrate brutality... Err... Good? |
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Sadly the one thing we learn from history is that we do not learn from history -
a really sad state of affairs.. imagine a government wanting to leave an organisation that has fostered an environment where there is no armed conflict between its members , who had for he previous 100 years fought like dogs and killed millions of each other’s citizens
Oh hold on what was I saying
sadly the one thing we learn from history is that we do not learn from history -
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"Some experts are saying that world wars should not be taught at school because it can affect the mental health of schoolchildren. Really?"
according to most experts anything can affect children's mental health these days
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"Conscription will be a laugh if we ever have another war. The snowflakes won't know what's hit them.
I thought raising future generations not to suffer and to have better than the previous ones was a good thing?
And maybe read the whole thread before commenting. This millennial snowflake is capable of fact checking.
How do you raise a generation "not to suffer"?
It's generally considered to be an ideal of parents to give their children a better life than they had. I worded it poorly.
But the idea that people under 40 are generally unprepared to witness and perpetrate brutality... Err... Good? "
That can't be right? Knife crime wasn't even "a thing" when i was a lad. I certainly would have been unprepared to see it, but now it's everywhere. |
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"Conscription will be a laugh if we ever have another war. The snowflakes won't know what's hit them.
I thought raising future generations not to suffer and to have better than the previous ones was a good thing?
And maybe read the whole thread before commenting. This millennial snowflake is capable of fact checking.
How do you raise a generation "not to suffer"?
It's generally considered to be an ideal of parents to give their children a better life than they had. I worded it poorly.
But the idea that people under 40 are generally unprepared to witness and perpetrate brutality... Err... Good?
That can't be right? Knife crime wasn't even "a thing" when i was a lad. I certainly would have been unprepared to see it, but now it's everywhere. "
My guess would be that the rise in reporting is more to blame for this than the rise in crime. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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As a fan of history, I think it'd be a very sad day if that happens.
I think it should be more accessible, though more and appropriate. If kids think all history is, is timelines, dates and names to remember, then they're not getting a true feeling for the subject, which is a combination of anthropology, biology, archeology, forensics, languages, sociology and politics.
Also, not forgetting that if don't learn from the mistakes of the past, we're doomed to repeat them.
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"Conscription will be a laugh if we ever have another war. The snowflakes won't know what's hit them.
I thought raising future generations not to suffer and to have better than the previous ones was a good thing?
And maybe read the whole thread before commenting. This millennial snowflake is capable of fact checking.
How do you raise a generation "not to suffer"?
It's generally considered to be an ideal of parents to give their children a better life than they had. I worded it poorly.
But the idea that people under 40 are generally unprepared to witness and perpetrate brutality... Err... Good?
That can't be right? Knife crime wasn't even "a thing" when i was a lad. I certainly would have been unprepared to see it, but now it's everywhere.
My guess would be that the rise in reporting is more to blame for this than the rise in crime. "
I seriously doubt that. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Ah, the mail and the express, carry on"
They, and others, reported the story but the actual "expert source" was a 22 year old reality TV star called Freddie Bentley who was given airtime for his nonsense on GMB. He's a very stupid boy. |
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"Conscription will be a laugh if we ever have another war. The snowflakes won't know what's hit them.
I thought raising future generations not to suffer and to have better than the previous ones was a good thing?
And maybe read the whole thread before commenting. This millennial snowflake is capable of fact checking.
How do you raise a generation "not to suffer"?
It's generally considered to be an ideal of parents to give their children a better life than they had. I worded it poorly.
But the idea that people under 40 are generally unprepared to witness and perpetrate brutality... Err... Good?
That can't be right? Knife crime wasn't even "a thing" when i was a lad. I certainly would have been unprepared to see it, but now it's everywhere.
My guess would be that the rise in reporting is more to blame for this than the rise in crime.
I seriously doubt that. "
I'll take your gut feeling and raise you the latest report from the Office for National Statistics, which notes that violent crime is steady, homicides are down, knife crime is at an all time high (but the category has only existed for eight years so that means little), homicide by knife is down, and collection of crime statistics is complicated. |
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"Conscription will be a laugh if we ever have another war. The snowflakes won't know what's hit them.
I thought raising future generations not to suffer and to have better than the previous ones was a good thing?
And maybe read the whole thread before commenting. This millennial snowflake is capable of fact checking.
How do you raise a generation "not to suffer"?
It's generally considered to be an ideal of parents to give their children a better life than they had. I worded it poorly.
But the idea that people under 40 are generally unprepared to witness and perpetrate brutality... Err... Good?
That can't be right? Knife crime wasn't even "a thing" when i was a lad. I certainly would have been unprepared to see it, but now it's everywhere.
My guess would be that the rise in reporting is more to blame for this than the rise in crime.
I seriously doubt that.
I'll take your gut feeling and raise you the latest report from the Office for National Statistics, which notes that violent crime is steady, homicides are down, knife crime is at an all time high (but the category has only existed for eight years so that means little), homicide by knife is down, and collection of crime statistics is complicated. "
I wonder why they felt the need to give it its own category. |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
Derry |
"Ah, the mail and the express, carry on
They, and others, reported the story but the actual "expert source" was a 22 year old reality TV star called Freddie Bentley who was given airtime for his nonsense on GMB. He's a very stupid boy."
The actual purpose of the story will be stoke Poppy fever. |
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"Conscription will be a laugh if we ever have another war. The snowflakes won't know what's hit them.
I thought raising future generations not to suffer and to have better than the previous ones was a good thing?
And maybe read the whole thread before commenting. This millennial snowflake is capable of fact checking.
How do you raise a generation "not to suffer"?
It's generally considered to be an ideal of parents to give their children a better life than they had. I worded it poorly.
But the idea that people under 40 are generally unprepared to witness and perpetrate brutality... Err... Good?
That can't be right? Knife crime wasn't even "a thing" when i was a lad. I certainly would have been unprepared to see it, but now it's everywhere.
My guess would be that the rise in reporting is more to blame for this than the rise in crime.
I seriously doubt that.
I'll take your gut feeling and raise you the latest report from the Office for National Statistics, which notes that violent crime is steady, homicides are down, knife crime is at an all time high (but the category has only existed for eight years so that means little), homicide by knife is down, and collection of crime statistics is complicated.
I wonder why they felt the need to give it its own category. "
Why don't you find out? Facts are useful. Supposition based on media scaremongering (this scaremongering is documented) is not. |
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"Conscription will be a laugh if we ever have another war. The snowflakes won't know what's hit them.
I thought raising future generations not to suffer and to have better than the previous ones was a good thing?
And maybe read the whole thread before commenting. This millennial snowflake is capable of fact checking.
How do you raise a generation "not to suffer"?
It's generally considered to be an ideal of parents to give their children a better life than they had. I worded it poorly.
But the idea that people under 40 are generally unprepared to witness and perpetrate brutality... Err... Good?
That can't be right? Knife crime wasn't even "a thing" when i was a lad. I certainly would have been unprepared to see it, but now it's everywhere.
My guess would be that the rise in reporting is more to blame for this than the rise in crime.
I seriously doubt that.
I'll take your gut feeling and raise you the latest report from the Office for National Statistics, which notes that violent crime is steady, homicides are down, knife crime is at an all time high (but the category has only existed for eight years so that means little), homicide by knife is down, and collection of crime statistics is complicated.
I wonder why they felt the need to give it its own category.
Why don't you find out? Facts are useful. Supposition based on media scaremongering (this scaremongering is documented) is not. "
I expect it got so low they thought "oh no! All the knife crime data is gonna get lost! Quick! Give it its own section.."  |
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"Conscription will be a laugh if we ever have another war. The snowflakes won't know what's hit them.
I thought raising future generations not to suffer and to have better than the previous ones was a good thing?
And maybe read the whole thread before commenting. This millennial snowflake is capable of fact checking.
How do you raise a generation "not to suffer"?
It's generally considered to be an ideal of parents to give their children a better life than they had. I worded it poorly.
But the idea that people under 40 are generally unprepared to witness and perpetrate brutality... Err... Good?
That can't be right? Knife crime wasn't even "a thing" when i was a lad. I certainly would have been unprepared to see it, but now it's everywhere.
My guess would be that the rise in reporting is more to blame for this than the rise in crime.
I seriously doubt that.
I'll take your gut feeling and raise you the latest report from the Office for National Statistics, which notes that violent crime is steady, homicides are down, knife crime is at an all time high (but the category has only existed for eight years so that means little), homicide by knife is down, and collection of crime statistics is complicated.
I wonder why they felt the need to give it its own category.
Why don't you find out? Facts are useful. Supposition based on media scaremongering (this scaremongering is documented) is not.
I expect it got so low they thought "oh no! All the knife crime data is gonna get lost! Quick! Give it its own section.." "
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
Derry |
"Someone from Instagram in an interview is hardly "sone experts" it's one person who has zero influence over any curriculum. Still who needs facts"
Credit where it's due, they know how to press peoples buttons. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Ah, the mail and the express, carry on
They, and others, reported the story but the actual "expert source" was a 22 year old reality TV star called Freddie Bentley who was given airtime for his nonsense on GMB. He's a very stupid boy."
A very stupid boy on a very stupid show |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Someone from Instagram in an interview is hardly "sone experts" it's one person who has zero influence over any curriculum. Still who needs facts
Credit where it's due, they know how to press peoples buttons. "
Actually I doubt he does. But the media know exactly how to exploit ignorance and whip up an unnecessary furore |
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They should be taught but maybe not to young children. People should grow up understanding what can happen if jingoism, hatred and greed fill a society. We are most vulnerable when we are complacent and ignorant. |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
Derry |
"Someone from Instagram in an interview is hardly "sone experts" it's one person who has zero influence over any curriculum. Still who needs facts
Credit where it's due, they know how to press peoples buttons.
Actually I doubt he does. But the media know exactly how to exploit ignorance and whip up an unnecessary furore"
That's what I mean, the media whip up a storm over nothing, conveniently in the run up to Poppy fortnight with the added bonus of demeaning expertise and knowledge.
You see the scenario a doctor says to a patient, 'you have diabetes and need to stop smoking'. The patient, 'says you, there is a bloke on facebook....' |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Some experts are saying that world wars should not be taught at school because it can affect the mental health of schoolchildren. Really?
What's the source for this OP? "
It's been mentioned more than once in the thread. |
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They need to be taught that these people were victims, on all sides.
Not to mention that more civilians died than combatants.
Yes they were heroic, but I feel that they were just pawns in a game.
What a criminal waste.
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
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I do wonder, as borders are almost becoming arbitary and porous, how many would turn up for conscription. ?
Blind faith in donkey Generals and war mongering politicians is long gone for many imo.
And as for the Peace enjoyed in Europe it troubles me that the EU now want their EU army
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"Some experts are saying that world wars should not be taught at school because it can affect the mental health of schoolchildren. Really?"
I had to learn 1914 to the present day history at school & it was so boring that it gave me depression for the whole lesson. |
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By *hechapMan
over a year ago
Derry |
I was taught at school that the Irish famine was caused by blight in the potatoes but since my school days i have learned that the British pillaged all the crops and exported them and stole the land resulting in hunger and the death of hundreds of thousands of Irish men women and children.... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I was taught at school that the Irish famine was caused by blight in the potatoes but since my school days i have learned that the British pillaged all the crops and exported them and stole the land resulting in hunger and the death of hundreds of thousands of Irish men women and children...."
What we stole mouldy spuds? |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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"I was taught at school that the Irish famine was caused by blight in the potatoes but since my school days i have learned that the British pillaged all the crops and exported them and stole the land resulting in hunger and the death of hundreds of thousands of Irish men women and children...."
Yes, the British have a history of being very brutal towards other people. But history is written by the winners, as Churchill said.
British people want to believe the varnished account.
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By *hechapMan
over a year ago
Derry |
"I was taught at school that the Irish famine was caused by blight in the potatoes but since my school days i have learned that the British pillaged all the crops and exported them and stole the land resulting in hunger and the death of hundreds of thousands of Irish men women and children....
What we stole mouldy spuds?"
Spuds, wheat, corn and anything else that was been grown at the time.
Sure they still pillage today in other countries around the world. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I was taught at school that the Irish famine was caused by blight in the potatoes but since my school days i have learned that the British pillaged all the crops and exported them and stole the land resulting in hunger and the death of hundreds of thousands of Irish men women and children....
What we stole mouldy spuds?
Spuds, wheat, corn and anything else that was been grown at the time.
Sure they still pillage today in other countries around the world."
You are Gerry Adams and I win £5. |
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Very touchy subject folks, 800 years Of English rule with over 2 million deaths , 800 thousand in 4 years along by Oliver Cromwell and Unknown deportations... know your history before passing a smart ass remark about spuds |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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My older brothers grow up during ww2
They seem to be ok to me,
I think they need to worty about all the conflicts going on today,
I grew up in the seventies when we had all the problems in Northern Irland and if we crash out of eyrope i think it will kick of over there again.
Then they will have something to worry about |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"I think every country that wins a war writes their history. Not just the British.
Non of us are guilty for the excesses of our ancesty or should feel guilty for it
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Well, this thread is asking what we should learn from it?
There's been a lot of wars since 1945. Lots of other wars to learn from. |
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over a year ago
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"Some experts are saying that world wars should not be taught at school because it can affect the mental health of schoolchildren. Really?"
Aren’t we supposed to learn from our mistakes |
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By *hechapMan
over a year ago
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"I was taught at school that the Irish famine was caused by blight in the potatoes but since my school days i have learned that the British pillaged all the crops and exported them and stole the land resulting in hunger and the death of hundreds of thousands of Irish men women and children....
What we stole mouldy spuds?
Spuds, wheat, corn and anything else that was been grown at the time.
Sure they still pillage today in other countries around the world.
You are Gerry Adams and I win £5."
Put the £5 towards a history book. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I think every country that wins a war writes their history. Not just the British.
Non of us are guilty for the excesses of our ancesty or should feel guilty for it
Well, this thread is asking what we should learn from it?
There's been a lot of wars since 1945. Lots of other wars to learn from."
The message has been thrust down our throats this time every year since WW1, not a lot by the sounds of things. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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Teaching kids what happened during the Troubles, and what happened during the disintegration of Yugoslavia, would be much more relevant to their life skills in 2019 than discovering on BBC2 watching old black and white movies on a Saturday morning what happened to their great, great, um, great . . . move on
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I was taught at school that the Irish famine was caused by blight in the potatoes but since my school days i have learned that the British pillaged all the crops and exported them and stole the land resulting in hunger and the death of hundreds of thousands of Irish men women and children....
What we stole mouldy spuds?
Spuds, wheat, corn and anything else that was been grown at the time.
Sure they still pillage today in other countries around the world.
You are Gerry Adams and I win £5.
Put the £5 towards a history book."
No need. Just laughing at you hijacking a thread with nationalist scorn. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I tell you what they want to get a grip and teach what there freedom they have today and at what price those men / boys did for this land what a load of shite . |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I think every country that wins a war writes their history. Not just the British.
Non of us are guilty for the excesses of our ancesty or should feel guilty for it
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Very true. Nothing wrong in recognising the darker parts of our own past so that we may learn from our ancestors failures though.
In Nigeria I was constantly referred to as an 'ex Colonial Master' just for being British.
It was 1997 and I was 17! It's not as if I had any hand in oppressing the Nigerian people.
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"I tell you what they want to get a grip and teach what there freedom they have today and at what price those men / boys did for this land what a load of shite ."
A lot of clowns live in a bubble here and have absolutely no idea what happened.. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"Potato famine - absentee landlords in England extorting high rents from Irish people who were starving due to blight is Wikipedia account.. "
They had not invented the term then. But it was ethnic cleansing of the Irish by the British.
Why do you think every city in the world you go into has an Irish bar?
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
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"Potato famine - absentee landlords in England extorting high rents from Irish people who were starving due to blight is Wikipedia account..
They had not invented the term then. But it was ethnic cleansing of the Irish by the British.
Why do you think every city in the world you go into has an Irish bar?
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There is an Irish bar in every town but rarely run by an Irishman imo |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Potato famine - absentee landlords in England extorting high rents from Irish people who were starving due to blight is Wikipedia account..
They had not invented the term then. But it was ethnic cleansing of the Irish by the British.
Why do you think every city in the world you go into has an Irish bar?
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No it wasn't. It was as careless as the indifference the ruling classes showed to the English poor too. This was the 1840s. Dickensian squalor.
Ireland is wet and potatoes are highly susceptible to blight.
Terrible violence occured in Ireland since the Tudor times. Most of it was motivated by religion and not nationality.
But back on topic.. |
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"Potato famine - absentee landlords in England extorting high rents from Irish people who were starving due to blight is Wikipedia account..
They had not invented the term then. But it was ethnic cleansing of the Irish by the British.
Why do you think every city in the world you go into has an Irish bar?
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That’s a marketing gimmick, do you not know how that works .. they are not even owned or run by Irish , and absolutely no Irish feel except for the posters and other signs that the staff can’t even understand |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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The British scattered the Irish to all four corners of the world, just as they did to "those rebellious scots" immortalised in verse two of "God Save the Queen". Ethnic cleansing. If you did not conform to the values of the majority, you were shipped out.
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"The British scattered the Irish to all four corners of the world, just as they did to "those rebellious scots" immortalised in verse two of "God Save the Queen". Ethnic cleansing. If you did not conform to the values of the majority, you were shipped out.
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If you were lucky, otherwise you were shot |
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By *hechapMan
over a year ago
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"The British scattered the Irish to all four corners of the world, just as they did to "those rebellious scots" immortalised in verse two of "God Save the Queen". Ethnic cleansing. If you did not conform to the values of the majority, you were shipped out.
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And many never made the journey and were thrown overboard when they died from starvation and hunger.
Nowadays it would be called malnorishment which sounds much better. |
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"It's sweful but nobody alive today is responsible for those horrible deeds
Which deeds should children learn about?
Those committed by Germans or those committed by British?
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Why stop there? Japan, Russia the Americans.. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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"It's sweful but nobody alive today is responsible for those horrible deeds
Which deeds should children learn about?
Those committed by Germans or those committed by British?
Why stop there? Japan, Russia the Americans.."
Yes, because "nobody alive today is responsible for those horrible deeds " |
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By (user no longer on site)
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These events should always be remembered. If not for these heroes we would not be able to make the choices we have now. If my kids schools decide to stop teaching it, then I will tell them all about it my self!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"These events should always be remembered. If not for these heroes we would not be able to make the choices we have now. If my kids schools decide to stop teaching it, then I will tell them all about it my self!! "
Well said my friend. Was not so interested at school but then I took geography but respect history and do not be ignorant over it. I appreciate history now and got to love a good library book x |
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"I am fed up of these people trying to rewrite history just because someone is offended it happened and people need to respect that."
Usually those who would have been first up against the wall when the Nazis turned up...  |
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By *ackey102Man
over a year ago
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"Some experts are saying that world wars should not be taught at school because it can affect the mental health of schoolchildren. Really?"
Bollocks, im ex-R.A.M.C. and have clan that have/still serve in the armed forces and they have lost mates as well. So that is the case then what a total bollocks for those that died because those in Parlimentt...I think it helps to understand what happened in the past and to help make a better future/understanding or it's teach them the Koran instead or some funky fucked up shit that has no bearing in everyday life (no disrespect meant, so don't kill me please)
Is it that fucking P.C bumfs in downing street again, bunch of hopeless C#@TS... How about a partition against it?...Grrrr fucking wanker's' in government, don't do fuck all and a big waste of good skins for some....
Tell ya what, stick them in a trench doing stag, with a mucker side you. It's fuck off cold and if you fall akip you endanger your mates. Think they'd last the snowflakes. Never have and never will vote as it's always the small man that gets fucked over by those that have cash/contacts..
So who has balls like Mount Everest and going to tell all the Vets about it?? (Hope they tear the experts apart)..... |
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'Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it'
Jorge Agustín Nicolás Ruiz de Santayana y Borrás 1863-1952 (a.k.a. George Santayana). Philosopher, essayist, poet, and novelist.
He also said
'Only the dead have seen the end of war'
I suspect that we are fast approaching peak stupidity, and that it will not end well.
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By *uryWhipMan
over a year ago
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I'd like to see the world war lessons being dropped from schools just coz there are other things to talk about. I did history gcse and it was the wars. Did it in my last year at middle school too coz we went on a trip to Normandy. What they're supposed to teach is how you document what happened, how use what has been documented as evidence gathering to find out more about what happened. The subject matter is changable wether its British monarchy, the civil war or the court of Charlemagne. As for not teaching war stuff coz it effects children's mental health; dont talk bollocks! Thats not what effects a childs health. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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The holocaust is something that should never be forgotten and all generations (present and future) should be educated on it but also taught to remember that the German people of today should not be held accountable for the actions of their ancestors. |
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Probably some crazy think tank with their own agenda. 
