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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Confess something about yourself that not many people know.

I'll go first. I cum very quickly.

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By *stellaWoman over a year ago

London

I’ve a tickly bit on my back that drives me wild.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I find women older than me more atractive than younger in a lot of ways

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I’m currently shitting

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I find women older than me more atractive than younger in a lot of ways "

We know that - you made a thread about it!

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By *r MoriartyMan over a year ago

The Land that time forgot (Norfolk)

"I’m currently shitting"

I had already guessed, try again.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I have a thing for calling out fake profiles, but shhhhhh Op. Don’t tell anyone

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I’m currently shitting

I had already guessed, try again."

My name is actually Peter and I’m a male cross dresser in his 40s. I use seamen as a face mask, which is why I look 22

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I’m currently shitting"

Nice

Im currently not shitting, lucky really because im sat on the sofa with my jeans on

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I have a thing for calling out fake profiles, but shhhhhh Op. Don’t tell anyone

Oh oh oh I have this talent!

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By *heThrillSeekersCouple over a year ago

Cheshire

Male has a thing for onsies

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By *r MoriartyMan over a year ago

The Land that time forgot (Norfolk)

"I have a thing for calling out fake profiles, but shhhhhh Op. Don’t tell anyone

Bollocks, that's another weeks grafting wasted on an imaginary Irish bird

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I’m typing this sat on the bog

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I have a thing for calling out fake profiles, but shhhhhh Op. Don’t tell anyone

Bollocks, that's another weeks grafting wasted on an imaginary Irish bird

You after MrsBrown again?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I’m typing this sat on the bog

Snap!!! We’re practically twins

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I find women older than me more atractive than younger in a lot of ways

We know that - you made a thread about it!

I did lol. Only you replied though haha

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan over a year ago

salisbury

Ive just put my chastity cage on.

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By *r MoriartyMan over a year ago

The Land that time forgot (Norfolk)

"I have a thing for calling out fake profiles, but shhhhhh Op. Don’t tell anyone

Bollocks, that's another weeks grafting wasted on an imaginary Irish bird

You after MrsBrown again?"

Is the Pope Catholic?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I have a thing for calling out fake profiles, but shhhhhh Op. Don’t tell anyone

Bollocks, that's another weeks grafting wasted on an imaginary Irish bird

You after MrsBrown again?

Is the Pope Catholic?"

Apparently so!

Can I be bridesmaid?

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By *r MoriartyMan over a year ago

The Land that time forgot (Norfolk)

"I have a thing for calling out fake profiles, but shhhhhh Op. Don’t tell anyone

Bollocks, that's another weeks grafting wasted on an imaginary Irish bird

You after MrsBrown again?

Is the Pope Catholic?

Apparently so!

Can I be bridesmaid?"

Only if you fuck my brother

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I have a thing for calling out fake profiles, but shhhhhh Op. Don’t tell anyone

Bollocks, that's another weeks grafting wasted on an imaginary Irish bird

You after MrsBrown again?

Is the Pope Catholic?

Apparently so!

Can I be bridesmaid?

Only if you fuck my brother"

If he’s hot, I’ll consider it.

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By *r MoriartyMan over a year ago

The Land that time forgot (Norfolk)

"I have a thing for calling out fake profiles, but shhhhhh Op. Don’t tell anyone

Bollocks, that's another weeks grafting wasted on an imaginary Irish bird

You after MrsBrown again?

Is the Pope Catholic?

Apparently so!

Can I be bridesmaid?

Only if you fuck my brother

If he’s hot, I’ll consider it."

He's my brother, I mean duh

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I have a thing for calling out fake profiles, but shhhhhh Op. Don’t tell anyone

Bollocks, that's another weeks grafting wasted on an imaginary Irish bird

You after MrsBrown again?

Is the Pope Catholic?

Apparently so!

Can I be bridesmaid?

Only if you fuck my brother

If he’s hot, I’ll consider it.

He's my brother, I mean duh

Soz Hun!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I’m typing this sat on the bog

Snap!!! We’re practically twins"

How was it for you?

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By *partharmonyCouple over a year ago

Ruislip

"I’m currently shitting

I had already guessed, try again.

My name is actually Peter and I’m a male cross dresser in his 40s. I use seamen as a face mask, which is why I look 22"

I know we're not supposed to call out spelling errors but I do find the idea of you laying sailors across your face to help you look young quite funny. Do you use Freudian spell check?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I’m typing this sat on the bog

Snap!!! We’re practically twins

How was it for you?

Well needed. A satisfying poo. And yours?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I’m currently shitting

I had already guessed, try again.

My name is actually Peter and I’m a male cross dresser in his 40s. I use seamen as a face mask, which is why I look 22

I know we're not supposed to call out spelling errors but I do find the idea of you laying sailors across your face to help you look young quite funny. Do you use Freudian spell check?"

I use the semen of seamen

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By *uckOfTheBayMan over a year ago

Mold

My achilles heel is the curve beneath my cheeks

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I have a thing for calling out fake profiles, but shhhhhh Op. Don’t tell anyone

Even verified ones?

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By *acey_RedWoman over a year ago

Liverpool

I have social anxiety.

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By *aitonelMan over a year ago

Liverpool

"I have social anxiety."

Me too!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I get cranky if I don't eat porridge everyday

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I have social anxiety.

Me too! "

Also me, in thr way that i feel like im always being judged

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I’ve a tickly bit on my back that drives me wild.

Down my flanks is the same. Uncontrollably ticklish!

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman over a year ago

little house on the praire

"I have a thing for calling out fake profiles, but shhhhhh Op. Don’t tell anyone

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Its like fucking groundhog day in here

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I have a thing for calling out fake profiles, but shhhhhh Op. Don’t tell anyone

Even verified ones?"

Indeed, Mavis, the best kind.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I have a thing for calling out fake profiles, but shhhhhh Op. Don’t tell anyone

Its like fucking groundhog day in here"

If you say so.

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By *r MoriartyMan over a year ago

The Land that time forgot (Norfolk)

"I have social anxiety."

No problem we can skip the social.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I’m currently shitting

I had already guessed, try again.

My name is actually Peter and I’m a male cross dresser in his 40s. I use seamen as a face mask, which is why I look 22

I know we're not supposed to call out spelling errors but I do find the idea of you laying sailors across your face to help you look young quite funny. Do you use Freudian spell check?"

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By *hunky GentMan over a year ago

Maldon and Peterborough

"Confess something about yourself that not many people know.

I'll go first. I cum very quickly."

I confess. I'm contemplating a trip to Dublin.

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By *obincrusoeMan over a year ago

Brentwood

Scottish and irish accents make me weak at the knees

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By *ebjonnsonMan over a year ago

Maldon

I’m a researcher for Sydney University

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm not photogenic,but I'm gorgeous in real life.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If you whisper in my ear it tickles my hip

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If you whisper in my ear it tickles my hip"

. I agree!

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By *andKBCouple over a year ago

Plymouth

My ears make me highly aroused!! K

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I just stubbed my toe on the door

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Kiss the back of my neck and my knees give way

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I like being rimmed

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I have a thing about sports bras (on women, not on me!)

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By *otwife2002Couple over a year ago

West Midlands

Male here..I love my nipples played with.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I hate having my nipples played with.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Me too, I remember once I was with an ex and she done it. Instantly soft

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Sex with a Lady recently but fantasizing in my mind that it was with my female best friend.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Kiss the back of my neck and my knees give way "

Guys take note and women too

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By *hunky GentMan over a year ago

Maldon and Peterborough

"Kiss the back of my neck and my knees give way

Guys take note and women too

Oh. I am. I am.

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By *ed-monkeyCouple over a year ago

Hailsham

"Kiss the back of my neck and my knees give way "

You like the backs of your knees kissed?

Oh wait... did I read it wrong?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Kiss the back of my neck and my knees give way

You like the backs of your knees kissed?

Oh wait... did I read it wrong?

You read it wrong

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I drive a fiat Panda

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'll go first. I cum very quickly."

I... do not.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I'll go first. I cum very quickly.

I... do not."

Lucky you.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I too must confess that I am actually a fake profile

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By *ommickMan over a year ago

cork

I use my beard trimmer to trim my man garden....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I stick my pinky out whilst drinking tea.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Nothing to confess

complete

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By *aeganaWoman over a year ago

birmingham

My nickname by family is peaches coz i looove peaches and cream and dang i fancy some now hehe.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I cum quickly too when someone goes down on me so I tell them I hate it.But secretly I love it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I don't like bjs they don't do anything for me

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I prefer clothed pics of girls rather than nudes or tits and pussy shots

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I’m completely innocent

fab has corrupted me

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I hate being tickled

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I have been told at a party that I’m too nice to be a swinger. I wouldn’t have thought you could be too nice? Ah well

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'll go first. I cum very quickly.

I... do not.

Lucky you."

I dunno, the occasional quickie would be a nice option to have...

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By *tella HeelsTV/TS over a year ago

west here ford shire

"I’m currently shitting

I had already guessed, try again.

My name is actually Peter and I’m a male cross dresser in his 40s. I use seamen as a face mask, which is why I look 22"
22???

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By *tella HeelsTV/TS over a year ago

west here ford shire

I’m a secret lemonade drinker

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By *r TriomanMan over a year ago

Chippenham Malmesbury area

"I stick my pinky out whilst drinking tea. "

Sounds like you have a bad case of etiquette in your little finger.

Re: your status, no you're not as I don't think I'm your type (sadly

)

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I used to keep chickens.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Mr was in an advert for kitkats.

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By *rumpyMcFuckNuggetMan over a year ago

Den of Iniquity

I've been shot

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By *aughtyandhandsomeMan over a year ago

button moon

"Kiss the back of my neck and my knees give way "

This is true!

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By *otsossieMan over a year ago

local, but not too local

"Kiss the back of my neck and my knees give way "

They all do that

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By *ornyandwellhungMan over a year ago

belfast

I enjoy sex.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

i am having a wank as i cannot find any ladies on here to help me

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By *akes handymanMan over a year ago

In the Lakes

I lie about my age.. I’m 22 but I know all you women like an older guy !

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By *uciyassMan over a year ago

sheffield

If you tickle my left nipple while biting my ear I’m prone to rushing off for a sandwich

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Confess something about yourself that not many people know.

I'll go first. I cum very quickly."

Not many people know my middle name..or probably care

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I have been told at a party that I’m too nice to be a swinger. I wouldn’t have thought you could be too nice? Ah well"

That's a strange one.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Sometimes when applying talc after a bath/shower i smack my balls... not by accident i just like it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I have been told at a party that I’m too nice to be a swinger. I wouldn’t have thought you could be too nice? Ah well

That's a strange one."

It’s bewildering, maybe I should be a nasty obnoxious guy that may work I don’t think. But I can’t alter how I’am and why should I

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By *iamondCougarWoman over a year ago

Norfuck! / Lincolnshire

I cried all the way home....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

i dont eat red meat

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I cried all the way home.... "

I hope you’re ok! I’ll WhatsApp you when I get home from cookery class later. Big love to you. Xxx

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I have quite severe emetophobia

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I have quite severe emetophobia

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really omg............. what is it

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By *ed-monkeyCouple over a year ago

Hailsham

"I have quite severe emetophobia

really omg............. what is it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

i can balance my who weight on my elbows using my hands

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"i can balance my who weight on my elbows using my hands

"
whole

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By *ed-monkeyCouple over a year ago

Hailsham

"I have quite severe emetophobia

really omg............. what is it

Or fear of ... sorry Lucie

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

i have never since being an adult vomited

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Confess something about yourself that not many people know.

I'll go first. I cum very quickly."
So do I

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By *lue_dogMan over a year ago

Littlehampton

I have arms for legs and legs for arms. It’s blooming inconvenient.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I have quite severe emetophobia

really omg............. what is it

Intense fear of nausea and vomiting or being around people who might vomit or have already. It’s horrendous. It’s a bit easier to deal with now than in my earlier life but still takes over at times. Films are fun - my other half is so used to it now he literally grabs me and covers my eyes / ears when he sees a questionable scene coming up... No fun.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"i have never since being an adult vomited

Me neither. I’m 34 and I last vomited when I was 17.

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By *oppet22TV/TS over a year ago

huddersfield

Sometimes I can't cum

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I have arms for legs and legs for arms. It’s blooming inconvenient. "
you monkey

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By *ed-monkeyCouple over a year ago

Hailsham

I'm not really a monkey

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"i have never since being an adult vomited

Me neither. I’m 34 and I last vomited when I was 17. "
wow......... see we have so so much in common

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I have quite severe emetophobia

really omg............. what is it

Or fear of ... sorry Lucie

I have an intense dislike of that emoji!

haha

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I have quite severe emetophobia

really omg............. what is it

Or fear of ... sorry Lucie

I have an intense dislike of that emoji!

haha"
i can't and dont have that emoji

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I have quite severe emetophobia

really omg............. what is it

Or fear of ... sorry Lucie

I have an intense dislike of that emoji!

hahai can't and dont have that emoji "

The iPhone emoji is worse ....

haha

It’s sad really as my original career dream was to be a doctor - this fear is the only reason I didn’t pursue it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I have quite severe emetophobia

really omg............. what is it

Or fear of ... sorry Lucie

I have an intense dislike of that emoji!

hahai can't and dont have that emoji

The iPhone emoji is worse ....

haha

It’s sad really as my original career dream was to be a doctor - this fear is the only reason I didn’t pursue it

"
well yes because vomiting moments would be very common but it may have reduced numbers in waiting room

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Sometimes when applying talc after a bath/shower i smack my balls... not by accident i just like it

Can I smack your balls ? I think I'd quite enjoy that.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Sometimes when applying talc after a bath/shower i smack my balls... not by accident i just like it

Can I smack your balls ? I think I'd quite enjoy that."

Form an orderly Queue

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By *onkeyandBonesCouple over a year ago

Staffordshire

One of us has been sacked for, oh sorry we cant say as had to sign a non disclosure agreement ha ha

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Sometimes when applying talc after a bath/shower i smack my balls... not by accident i just like it

Can I smack your balls ? I think I'd quite enjoy that.

Form an orderly Queue

Waits patiently

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Sometimes when applying talc after a bath/shower i smack my balls... not by accident i just like it

Can I smack your balls ? I think I'd quite enjoy that.

Form an orderly Queue

Waits patiently

Just be careful not to catch your rings on my piercings

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I’m currently shitting"

Im currently puking!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I’m currently shitting

Im currently puking!

Well I’m off the toilet now so you can puke into that

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Sometimes when applying talc after a bath/shower i smack my balls... not by accident i just like it

Can I smack your balls ? I think I'd quite enjoy that.

Form an orderly Queue

Waits patiently

Just be careful not to catch your rings on my piercings

I'll try not but can't promise.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I’m currently shitting

Im currently puking!

Well I’m off the toilet now so you can puke into that

Give it 5mins first?

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By *akes handymanMan over a year ago

In the Lakes

I alway watch myself in the mirror whilst peeing !!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I’m currently shitting

Im currently puking!

Well I’m off the toilet now so you can puke into that

Give it 5mins first?"

No point. Do it in a oner and you can bleach it after

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I alway watch myself in the mirror whilst peeing !! "

Nice

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I had my first wank in weeks last night

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I often have 3 or more wanks a day

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I love the smell of petrol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

i love the smell of old pine

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I love the smell of petrol

Me too

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I love the smell of petrol

Me too

2 stroke is devine

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By *2000ManMan over a year ago

Worthing

I've been paid to star in a porn film...more than once.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I love the smell of petrol

Me too

2 stroke is devine"

+1 !!!!!

Reminds of summer holidays as a teen in spain

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I love the smell of petrol

Me too

2 stroke is devine

+1 !!!!!

Reminds of summer holidays as a teen in spain"

Reminds me of my nanas shed

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I've been paid to star in a porn film...more than once."

Anything I'd have seen

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I can only cum if my nipples are played with

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By *2000ManMan over a year ago

Worthing

"I've been paid to star in a porn film...more than once.

Anything I'd have seen

Probably not it was for the Japanese market.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I love to rim a lady’s bum hole

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I once knicked my nephews ice cream and blamed it on my dog

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I've been paid to star in a porn film...more than once.

Anything I'd have seen

Probably not it was for the Japanese market. "

I dont know whether to laugh or not.

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By *tella HeelsTV/TS over a year ago

west here ford shire

I shave my legs and chairs and under arms

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By *aughtycp1Couple over a year ago

Leicestershire

I'm an anal only girl and much prefer anal sex to pussy sex. So much so that I don't ever do pussy anymore. I don't enjoy it, but I adore anal x

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By *lue_dogMan over a year ago

Littlehampton

"I have arms for legs and legs for arms. It’s blooming inconvenient. you monkey

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By *lue_dogMan over a year ago

Littlehampton

"I alway watch myself in the mirror whilst peeing !! "

I thought that was the law

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I snore

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By *hampagne_Supernova_91Man over a year ago

Manchester

"I snore

I do too

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I can honestly say ive never measured my penis, not even with a lynx can, sky remote or thimble

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Years ago on here, a very handsome young man messaged me to meet. Oooooo I thought he looks like 'X'. So the next time 'X' and I were talking I mention his lookie , likie......

That's my brother , don't meet him ! he said. He's already met someone I met.

So ............ me being me ......

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Years ago on here, a very handsome young man messaged me to meet. Oooooo I thought he looks like 'X'. So the next time 'X' and I were talking I mention his lookie , likie......

That's my brother , don't meet him ! he said. He's already met someone I met.

So ............ me being me ...... "

What did you do?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I'm an anal only girl and much prefer anal sex to pussy sex. So much so that I don't ever do pussy anymore. I don't enjoy it, but I adore anal x"

Never do pussy ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I have had sex in a church

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I have had sex in a church "

Was there a service on?

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By *owithflow321Man over a year ago

Molesey

I woke up on a plane with my trousers down and cum everywhere......was it me or the guy next to me

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I have had sex in a church

Was there a service on?

No before the service

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By *ellsuitedMan over a year ago

Elstree

I guessed that!

Next?

"I’m currently shitting

I had already guessed, try again.

My name is actually Peter and I’m a male cross dresser in his 40s. I use seamen as a face mask, which is why I look 22"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I have had sex in a church "
at the alter with the priest watching............. youre the devils child text 666 and ask for redemption

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By *iamondCougarWoman over a year ago

Norfuck! / Lincolnshire

"I snore

I do too

Yep

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I snore

I do too

Yep

"
have i ever told you i love that avatar pic?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I like to stand in front of the mirror and watch myself wank! X

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I woke up on a plane with my trousers down and cum everywhere......was it me or the guy next to me "

You

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By *ornylittlesubWoman over a year ago

Grangemouth

I once was going to a club, got so excited and horny that I just had to have some fun in the car park when we arrived....I never actually made it into the club.

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By *ilth500Man over a year ago

Merseyside

i secretly admire Alex Ferguson

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I once was going to a club, got so excited and horny that I just had to have some fun in the car park when we arrived....I never actually made it into the club.

Sounds like you had fun anyway.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"i secretly admire Alex Ferguson

Good for you

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By *2000ManMan over a year ago

Worthing

"I've been paid to star in a porn film...more than once.

Anything I'd have seen

Probably not it was for the Japanese market.

I dont know whether to laugh or not."

I was not laughing afterwards

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I have a number of weird fetishes that nobody knows about

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By *pagafocsMan over a year ago

Madrid

My best sex ever was with a woman 38 years older than me....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Doggy style doesn't really do it for me...

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By *pagafocsMan over a year ago

Madrid

Doggy style doesn't really do it for me...

My favourite

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Doggy style doesn't really do it for me...

My favourite

I dont think you 2 should bother having a meet antime soon

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I want a coffee but cant be arsed getting up

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I have Autism, Tourettes and OCD.

All very very mild, unnoticeable to most people.

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By *oodnitegirlWoman over a year ago

Yorkshire

"I once was going to a club, got so excited and horny that I just had to have some fun in the car park when we arrived....I never actually made it into the club.

Saved a few quid. Thrifty.

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By *ka-sammi_n_danCouple over a year ago

nantwich

I don't drink alcohol

Mrs x

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By *oodnitegirlWoman over a year ago

Yorkshire

"I don't drink alcohol

Mrs x"

My friends once made me a joke certificate as I got felt up by Jimmy Savile and they said I was the only one who didn’t complain

Disclaimer: I was 18

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By *tallion and fillyCouple over a year ago

Barrow in Furness

"Kiss the back of my neck and my knees give way

Guys take note and women too

If you cant get close enough for a kiss.....I find a baseball bat quite effective...

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