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To me - from the moment it’s conceived - hence I’m anti-abortion for reasons of ‘convenience’ (ie it’s not the right time in my career/we haven’t bought a house yet etc etc) - but I’m not anti abortion in circumstances like r*pe, a one night stand if you don’t feel ‘fit’ to be a parent, potential abnormalities in the child, underage or ‘overage’ pregnancy etc etc!
But yeah - to me it begins when a sperm fertilises an egg! |
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"...in a unborn baby?"
Oh....I read that wrong.
For me it's when the heart starts beating. Up to then it's an accumulation of cells.
We determine death as when the heart stops beating so makes sense to me. |
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"To me - from the moment it’s conceived - hence I’m anti-abortion for reasons of ‘convenience’ (ie it’s not the right time in my career/we haven’t bought a house yet etc etc) - but I’m not anti abortion in circumstances like r*pe, a one night stand if you don’t feel ‘fit’ to be a parent, potential abnormalities in the child, underage or ‘overage’ pregnancy etc etc!
But yeah - to me it begins when a sperm fertilises an egg! "
My friend kicked up a huge fuss because I share your view point, but when I miscarried on my wedding day I needed surgery (essentially an abortion) because the baby had died but my body wouldn’t naturally miscarry and it was really dangerous. She’s totally against abortion and was really upset when I chose to abort my dead baby.
But OP yes, I believe it begins at conception. I found out I was pregnant at three weeks and made many positive lifestyle changes as soon as I found out |
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To be honest life never really begins or ends when it comes to reproduction. Sperms and eggs are living cells. If they don't meet they die but if they do meet they form another living cell which then replicates itself. However when something stops being a bunch of living cells and becomes a sentient being is a bit more complicated. An embryo technically has a heartbeat before it has formed a heart and way before that heart is in any way sustaining it. Also nobody really knows at which point in the formation of the brain we become aware. It's certainly a very interesting question. |
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"...in a unborn baby?
Oh....I read that wrong.
For me it's when the heart starts beating. Up to then it's an accumulation of cells.
We determine death as when the heart stops beating so makes sense to me. "
Do we really?? So heart stops and that's it |
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"...in a unborn baby?
Oh....I read that wrong.
For me it's when the heart starts beating. Up to then it's an accumulation of cells.
We determine death as when the heart stops beating so makes sense to me.
Do we really?? So heart stops and that's it "
Medical definition of death:
"The traditional definition of death in the UK and other European countries rested on the irreversible cessation of an individual's breathing and heartbeat. On the basis of the confirmed and persistent absence of these vital signs a person would be declared dead."
So yes. |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
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Meh, another round in the culture wars
Here's your thought for the day:
Confucius once said “We all have two lives, the second one starts when you realise you only have one”.
I hope we are all on our second life. |
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"To me - from the moment it’s conceived - hence I’m anti-abortion for reasons of ‘convenience’ (ie it’s not the right time in my career/we haven’t bought a house yet etc etc) - but I’m not anti abortion in circumstances like r*pe, a one night stand if you don’t feel ‘fit’ to be a parent, potential abnormalities in the child, underage or ‘overage’ pregnancy etc etc!
But yeah - to me it begins when a sperm fertilises an egg!
My friend kicked up a huge fuss because I share your view point, but when I miscarried on my wedding day I needed surgery (essentially an abortion) because the baby had died but my body wouldn’t naturally miscarry and it was really dangerous. She’s totally against abortion and was really upset when I chose to abort my dead baby.
But OP yes, I believe it begins at conception. I found out I was pregnant at three weeks and made many positive lifestyle changes as soon as I found out "
They call s natural miscarriage anatutal abortion which I found out and made them change the records to miscarriage. But from conception |
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"To me - from the moment it’s conceived - hence I’m anti-abortion for reasons of ‘convenience’ (ie it’s not the right time in my career/we haven’t bought a house yet etc etc) - but I’m not anti abortion in circumstances like r*pe, a one night stand if you don’t feel ‘fit’ to be a parent, potential abnormalities in the child, underage or ‘overage’ pregnancy etc etc!
But yeah - to me it begins when a sperm fertilises an egg!
My friend kicked up a huge fuss because I share your view point, but when I miscarried on my wedding day I needed surgery (essentially an abortion) because the baby had died but my body wouldn’t naturally miscarry and it was really dangerous. She’s totally against abortion and was really upset when I chose to abort my dead baby.
But OP yes, I believe it begins at conception. I found out I was pregnant at three weeks and made many positive lifestyle changes as soon as I found out
They call s natural miscarriage anatutal abortion which I found out and made them change the records to miscarriage. But from conception "
I made them change it as well. I went to the doctors shortly after and was offered support for my abortion. Nope nope nope. Nobody warned me it would be noted as an abortion either |
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"...in a unborn baby?
Oh....I read that wrong.
For me it's when the heart starts beating. Up to then it's an accumulation of cells.
We determine death as when the heart stops beating so makes sense to me.
Do we really?? So heart stops and that's it
Medical definition of death:
"The traditional definition of death in the UK and other European countries rested on the irreversible cessation of an individual's breathing and heartbeat. On the basis of the confirmed and persistent absence of these vital signs a person would be declared dead."
So yes."
It's more to do with the brain's ability to sustain breathing and heartbeat. Hence why we turn off life support for a technically still "living" person as once you are brain dead you are in effect dead. You can keep the body technically alive by keeping the heart and lungs working but you could do the same to a heart and lungs you have taken from a body but it would not be a living being. |
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"...in a unborn baby?
Oh....I read that wrong.
For me it's when the heart starts beating. Up to then it's an accumulation of cells.
We determine death as when the heart stops beating so makes sense to me.
Do we really?? So heart stops and that's it
Medical definition of death:
"The traditional definition of death in the UK and other European countries rested on the irreversible cessation of an individual's breathing and heartbeat. On the basis of the confirmed and persistent absence of these vital signs a person would be declared dead."
So yes.
It's more to do with the brain's ability to sustain breathing and heartbeat. Hence why we turn off life support for a technically still "living" person as once you are brain dead you are in effect dead. You can keep the body technically alive by keeping the heart and lungs working but you could do the same to a heart and lungs you have taken from a body but it would not be a living being."
So if you were to turn off whichever machine a person was connected to, and that person's brain was unable to continue the necessary functions by itself, that's death? |
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"...in a unborn baby?
Oh....I read that wrong.
For me it's when the heart starts beating. Up to then it's an accumulation of cells.
We determine death as when the heart stops beating so makes sense to me.
Do we really?? So heart stops and that's it
Medical definition of death:
"The traditional definition of death in the UK and other European countries rested on the irreversible cessation of an individual's breathing and heartbeat. On the basis of the confirmed and persistent absence of these vital signs a person would be declared dead."
So yes.
It's more to do with the brain's ability to sustain breathing and heartbeat. Hence why we turn off life support for a technically still "living" person as once you are brain dead you are in effect dead. You can keep the body technically alive by keeping the heart and lungs working but you could do the same to a heart and lungs you have taken from a body but it would not be a living being."
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"...in a unborn baby?
Oh....I read that wrong.
For me it's when the heart starts beating. Up to then it's an accumulation of cells.
We determine death as when the heart stops beating so makes sense to me.
Do we really?? So heart stops and that's it
Medical definition of death:
"The traditional definition of death in the UK and other European countries rested on the irreversible cessation of an individual's breathing and heartbeat. On the basis of the confirmed and persistent absence of these vital signs a person would be declared dead."
So yes.
It's more to do with the brain's ability to sustain breathing and heartbeat. Hence why we turn off life support for a technically still "living" person as once you are brain dead you are in effect dead. You can keep the body technically alive by keeping the heart and lungs working but you could do the same to a heart and lungs you have taken from a body but it would not be a living being.
So if you were to turn off whichever machine a person was connected to, and that person's brain was unable to continue the necessary functions by itself, that's death?"
It depends. Sometimes you need to keep people on life support to allow their organs or brain time to recover. If you switched those machines off prematurely they would die.
You can remain alive for a short amount of time with no heart and lungs as long as they are quickly restored/transplanted before you become brain dead but once your brain totally loses the ability to keep your heart and lungs working, there is no coming back from that. |
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"To me - from the moment it’s conceived - hence I’m anti-abortion for reasons of ‘convenience’ (ie it’s not the right time in my career/we haven’t bought a house yet etc etc) - but I’m not anti abortion in circumstances like r*pe, a one night stand if you don’t feel ‘fit’ to be a parent, potential abnormalities in the child, underage or ‘overage’ pregnancy etc etc!
But yeah - to me it begins when a sperm fertilises an egg!
My friend kicked up a huge fuss because I share your view point, but when I miscarried on my wedding day I needed surgery (essentially an abortion) because the baby had died but my body wouldn’t naturally miscarry and it was really dangerous. She’s totally against abortion and was really upset when I chose to abort my dead baby.
But OP yes, I believe it begins at conception. I found out I was pregnant at three weeks and made many positive lifestyle changes as soon as I found out "
Yeah me too! When I had my oldest I wasn’t married/in a steady relationship like you - I split up with the father before discovering my pregnancy! However, I was healthy and 22 - just about old enough to be a ‘decent’ mum (ie I’d had a few years of nights out/holidays with friends etc so didn’t harbour resentment against the baby!). It wasn’t easy but I couldn’t have lived with myself if I’d aborted! She went on the get a first in maths and she’s now a tax consultant! I work in a shop! 
Your ‘friend’ had no right to give you such a hard time when you needed love and support - not condemnation!
I’m sorry you lost a child - but delighted you’ve had the opportunity to become a mum. |
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"To me - from the moment it’s conceived - hence I’m anti-abortion for reasons of ‘convenience’ (ie it’s not the right time in my career/we haven’t bought a house yet etc etc) - but I’m not anti abortion in circumstances like r*pe, a one night stand if you don’t feel ‘fit’ to be a parent, potential abnormalities in the child, underage or ‘overage’ pregnancy etc etc!
But yeah - to me it begins when a sperm fertilises an egg!
My friend kicked up a huge fuss because I share your view point, but when I miscarried on my wedding day I needed surgery (essentially an abortion) because the baby had died but my body wouldn’t naturally miscarry and it was really dangerous. She’s totally against abortion and was really upset when I chose to abort my dead baby.
But OP yes, I believe it begins at conception. I found out I was pregnant at three weeks and made many positive lifestyle changes as soon as I found out
They call s natural miscarriage anatutal abortion which I found out and made them change the records to miscarriage. But from conception
I made them change it as well. I went to the doctors shortly after and was offered support for my abortion. Nope nope nope. Nobody warned me it would be noted as an abortion either"
That's horrendous.  Glad they changed it. |
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"I think you'll find the judicial service have been pondering this one for decades.
Not sure of your motive for thread, but I find it tasteless"
Why do you find it tasteless? |
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"To me - from the moment it’s conceived - hence I’m anti-abortion for reasons of ‘convenience’ (ie it’s not the right time in my career/we haven’t bought a house yet etc etc) - but I’m not anti abortion in circumstances like r*pe, a one night stand if you don’t feel ‘fit’ to be a parent, potential abnormalities in the child, underage or ‘overage’ pregnancy etc etc!
But yeah - to me it begins when a sperm fertilises an egg! "
This. It was suggested I abort my baby when I was pregnant at 18 There was no chance I was going to. I had him at 19 and he's the best thing to ever happen to me |
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When it can live outside the womb.
But I don’t think the potential life of a child supersedes the life of the alive and existent parent who has to host that body and all that goes with it. Risk of illness, death, pain, job loss, financial, school, marriage issues.
It’s not up to us to judge what other people do. A decision to abort is not taken lightly, it is never used instead of a condom, it is serious and the weight of it can’t be forgotten as the steps to get there are not easy. I don’t know anyone who’s not been impacted in some way by having one.
Basically it’s a mind your own business subject.
If abortion gets someone out of depression, helplessness, quitting school, facing judgment that seems unbearable, a bad relationship, domestic violence, terror of caring for a child with additional needs, etc, I support it. I support the right to choose abortion as it’s not easy and not up to me to sit judgementally looking at others lives.
A friend of mine had what some would class as “abortion” it was elective and at 24 weeks, right to lifers would say it was horrible. Her baby had no brain. Impacting the right to choose would mean she’d carry a baby to term who had a heart beat and could breathe simply because it was attached to her body. She’d have to face people asking her about her baby, the baby who was guaranteed to die, and all of the pain afterwards of people asking where her baby was. Fuck that. Her pain ended 4.5 months earlier and she was able to recover from her sadness. Later abortions are often not a choice and early ones are a loaded decision.
Until you walk in someone’s shoes don’t judge their right to choose. |
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"I think you'll find the judicial service have been pondering this one for decades.
Not sure of your motive for thread, but I find it tasteless"
There's nothing tasteless about the thread.
In fact I'm pleased that the majority of posters have answered the question in a thoughtful and polite manner.
Personally, I think life begins at birth or when a child can survive outside the womb.
I am a strong advocate for abortion but do not think it is something that any woman decides to go ahead with lightly.
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"I think you'll find the judicial service have been pondering this one for decades.
Not sure of your motive for thread, but I find it tasteless"
Why tasteless? It's one of those BIG questions that divides a lot of people. The question isn't tasteless, it's the thoughtless reactions that can be.. in an ideal world each life is sacred from conception, only the world isn't ideal.. if the kickback on my utopia threads is anything to go by?
Society is tasteless, we're just the everyday people trying to make sense of it all. |
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"After 24 weeks
Why 24? Many babies are born before and survive."
It is based on when the child is deemed viable, guidance on reducing this to 22 weeks has recently been given.
Legally if a child is still born at 24 weeks or after it must be registered, any time before that, it is not registered |
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For me it's conception also, but I recognise a couples right to terminate at a certain stage. Life is tough enough as it is, no need to make it impossible with a mother and father who don't want you, for whatever reasons.
Why we don't invest more in sexual education, ignoring the parental fundamentalists who oppose it at every turn, is beyond me! Invest more money into the children who make it, so that there are less who don't. |
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"When it can live outside the womb.
But I don’t think the potential life of a child supersedes the life of the alive and existent parent who has to host that body and all that goes with it. Risk of illness, death, pain, job loss, financial, school, marriage issues.
It’s not up to us to judge what other people do. A decision to abort is not taken lightly, it is never used instead of a condom, it is serious and the weight of it can’t be forgotten as the steps to get there are not easy. I don’t know anyone who’s not been impacted in some way by having one.
Basically it’s a mind your own business subject.
If abortion gets someone out of depression, helplessness, quitting school, facing judgment that seems unbearable, a bad relationship, domestic violence, terror of caring for a child with additional needs, etc, I support it. I support the right to choose abortion as it’s not easy and not up to me to sit judgementally looking at others lives.
A friend of mine had what some would class as “abortion” it was elective and at 24 weeks, right to lifers would say it was horrible. Her baby had no brain. Impacting the right to choose would mean she’d carry a baby to term who had a heart beat and could breathe simply because it was attached to her body. She’d have to face people asking her about her baby, the baby who was guaranteed to die, and all of the pain afterwards of people asking where her baby was. Fuck that. Her pain ended 4.5 months earlier and she was able to recover from her sadness. Later abortions are often not a choice and early ones are a loaded decision.
Until you walk in someone’s shoes don’t judge their right to choose. "
Excellent response, nobody has the right to judge others until they walk in those shoes. |
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