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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago

I knew that they had been making firms keep records of everything for 2 years but now the government will be able to monitor the calls, emails, texts and website visits of everyone in the UK in Real time.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17576745

Bet Rupert Murdoch and his pack of hacks are rubbing their hands together

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Yeah but they're not gonna monitor everyone are they? Just those they suspect of serious crime.Anyway the law hasn't been passed yet and will face opposition

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By *aughtyNurse999Woman  over a year ago

Fabville !!!

just been on news again and made it look like they can monitor everyone.. now how the hell is that humanly possible.. and during cut backs are they now going to employ someone.. and will they be on a big fat bonus..

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I dont think swinging would be of interest to the 'spooks' at GCHQ. Whats to stop the owners of this site slipping info to a newspaper anyway? They have complete access to our pics messages etc???

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

If you have nothing to hide or fear regards the terrorism act etc etc or criminal activity then what are you bothered about

They are not going to have a oerson there sat monitoring every single email txt or phone call etc etc

This kind of thing has been going on for years and it just takes certain words to start a tape recorder going in a very secret location called menworth hill in yorkshire ( oooow did I just say that out loud then oooooops) and then an alert is sent to a person to listen back and make a decision if theres something worth further investigation etc etc

Once again why be worried about this if you have nothing to hide

All this is is just an extension of whats already going on and in place its just that the internet has not been part of it officialy thats all

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago
Forum Mod

Bomb

Im gonna sit back and wait for a knock on the door now

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Bomb

Im gonna sit back and wait for a knock on the door now "

As long as you're not planning to kidnap Prince Charles

Oops!

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By *phroditeWoman  over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland


"I dont think swinging would be of interest to the 'spooks' at GCHQ. Whats to stop the owners of this site slipping info to a newspaper anyway? They have complete access to our pics messages etc??? "

They might well be interested in anybody who works for the Forces - as swinging could be seen not just as immoral,l but more importantly as information that could make the individual vulnerable to blackmail. This was one of the reasons why the MOD used to "find" (and subsequently throw out) individuals who were in engaged in homsexual activities. Not all that long ago I might add.

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By *phroditeWoman  over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland


"I knew that they had been making firms keep records of everything for 2 years but now the government will be able to monitor the calls, emails, texts and website visits of everyone in the UK in Real time.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17576745

Bet Rupert Murdoch and his pack of hacks are rubbing their hands together

"

I saw that this morning and was appalled. Big Brother - here we come.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I knew that they had been making firms keep records of everything for 2 years but now the government will be able to monitor the calls, emails, texts and website visits of everyone in the UK in Real time.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17576745

Bet Rupert Murdoch and his pack of hacks are rubbing their hands together

I saw that this morning and was appalled. Big Brother - here we come. "

are u guys aware of todays date ???????

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By *phroditeWoman  over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland


"I knew that they had been making firms keep records of everything for 2 years but now the government will be able to monitor the calls, emails, texts and website visits of everyone in the UK in Real time.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17576745

Bet Rupert Murdoch and his pack of hacks are rubbing their hands together

I saw that this morning and was appalled. Big Brother - here we come.

are u guys aware of todays date ???????"

;-)

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I dont think swinging would be of interest to the 'spooks' at GCHQ. Whats to stop the owners of this site slipping info to a newspaper anyway? They have complete access to our pics messages etc???

They might well be interested in anybody who works for the Forces - as swinging could be seen not just as immoral,l but more importantly as information that could make the individual vulnerable to blackmail. This was one of the reasons why the MOD used to "find" (and subsequently throw out) individuals who were in engaged in homsexual activities. No all that long ago I might add."

In the words of the great Michael Winner....."Calm down dear".

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Bomb

Im gonna sit back and wait for a knock on the door now "

Thats not even funny lol trust me the knock at the door will come if required via the special bus knocking off the door completely then chrging in to remove ya from ur bed lol

Dont joke about things like that and trust me on this one yeah xx

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Its still wrong. Just because you never commit a crime in your life, or are suspect of anything. Knowing that these people could know everything about you if they wanted to just makes me sick. My texts, calls, emails, websearch is private.

Its control, this is suppose to be a free country and how is it free if everything you eva do is monitored.

Whats to stop some stupid moron with tons of files/laptop and leaving it on train like our governments done before.

Whats to stop hackers from getting into these systems and leaking everything on the net.

I'm pretty sure if you were a terrorist, you'd text in code and meet somewhere to talk about stuff.

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By *phroditeWoman  over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland


"I dont think swinging would be of interest to the 'spooks' at GCHQ. Whats to stop the owners of this site slipping info to a newspaper anyway? They have complete access to our pics messages etc???

They might well be interested in anybody who works for the Forces - as swinging could be seen not just as immoral,l but more importantly as information that could make the individual vulnerable to blackmail. This was one of the reasons why the MOD used to "find" (and subsequently throw out) individuals who were in engaged in homsexual activities. No all that long ago I might add.

In the words of the great Michael Winner....."Calm down dear".

"

Yeah, another pompous chauvinist male lol... I could not make up my mind whether I d like or hate him

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I don't know what concerns me more..The amount of suspicion everyone seems to be under or that people won't read the link and assume people are stupid for falling for an april fool.

The story was in the business times two weeks ago

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By *phroditeWoman  over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland


"Its still wrong. Just because you never commit a crime in your life, or are suspect of anything. Knowing that these people could know everything about you if they wanted to just makes me sick. My texts, calls, emails, websearch is private.

Its control, this is suppose to be a free country and how is it free if everything you eva do is monitored.

Whats to stop some stupid moron with tons of files/laptop and leaving it on train like our governments done before.

Whats to stop hackers from getting into these systems and leaking everything on the net.

I'm pretty sure if you were a terrorist, you'd text in code and meet somewhere to talk about stuff."

Nothing is totally safe today - even when triple encrypted, one great big illusion... bit like a circus

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By *phroditeWoman  over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland


"I don't know what concerns me more..The amount of suspicion everyone seems to be under or that people won't read the link and assume people are stupid for falling for an april fool.

The story was in the business times two weeks ago"

Think we should have two threads, one for 1st April - the other for the real story... the real story is kind of scary though... that nothing but nothing is really safe anymore.

Now I m a law abiding citizen (kind of when I forget momentarily about my swinging activities

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Its still wrong. Just because you never commit a crime in your life, or are suspect of anything. Knowing that these people could know everything about you if they wanted to just makes me sick. My texts, calls, emails, websearch is private.

Its control, this is suppose to be a free country and how is it free if everything you eva do is monitored.

Whats to stop some stupid moron with tons of files/laptop and leaving it on train like our governments done before.

Whats to stop hackers from getting into these systems and leaking everything on the net.

I'm pretty sure if you were a terrorist, you'd text in code and meet somewhere to talk about stuff."

O so hears a thought for you and the TRUTH as well yeah. This has already been going on for years!!. All this new anouncement is doing is just giving you warning that plans are being put into place to ask for legislation to allow it oficialy. When I say ask for what I mean is the deal has already been done and is nothing you can do about it but accept it and carry on with your normal life. As I say its already been going on for years anyhow

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

So what if everything is being screened. Only the guilty/criminals need be worried. Even if our details were somehow leaked to our family, we'd say 'so what?', we're married to eachother, so hardly cheating.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS  over a year ago

Central

It's so wrong, and shows how the Tories cannot be trusted - they stated before they election that they were against this, and are now implementing it into law. I can appreciate for terrorism, but to be able to do this legally against everyone is a step too far. It's making the UK more like a dictatorship, where there's less freedom etc.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

If the statement is true, what about the data protection act and the race and diversity laws?

Being a swinger or someone with an open sexual life isn't breaking the law.

Its just another technilogical step forward in combatting online crime.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"If the statement is true, what about the data protection act and the race and diversity laws?

Being a swinger or someone with an open sexual life isn't breaking the law.

Its just another technilogical step forward in combatting online crime."

and having a blimmin good perv in secret at ur private photos haha

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By *phroditeWoman  over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland


"If the statement is true, what about the data protection act and the race and diversity laws?

Being a swinger or someone with an open sexual life isn't breaking the law.

Its just another technilogical step forward in combatting online crime."

on a serious note, it is worrying that there is a lot of information about all of us when linked together provides a very complete picture about that person, their habits including shopping habits to name but one example. In future places like Tesco (and others) may easily be able to refuse you certain insurances based on your shopping habits which may suggest an unhealthy risky life style. I am tlaking hypothetically of course, but I am not keen on the overall trend I am watching....

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By *amslam1000Man  over a year ago

willenhall

like i mentioned in the other thread

if you google "Echelon" you will find "they" have been doing this for years the law is already in place this is a change to add twatter and face fluck to their data store.

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By *amish SMan  over a year ago

Eastleigh

Not surprised really, just formalising what they have most probably been doing for years. If the newspapers can get your text messages, those with more money and technology would be able to collect a whole lot more.

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By *oonytoonMan  over a year ago

derby


"Its still wrong. Just because you never commit a crime in your life, or are suspect of anything. Knowing that these people could know everything about you if they wanted to just makes me sick. My texts, calls, emails, websearch is private.

Its control, this is suppose to be a free country and how is it free if everything you eva do is monitored.

Whats to stop some stupid moron with tons of files/laptop and leaving it on train like our governments done before.

Whats to stop hackers from getting into these systems and leaking everything on the net.

I'm pretty sure if you were a terrorist, you'd text in code and meet somewhere to talk about stuff.

O so hears a thought for you and the TRUTH as well yeah. This has already been going on for years!!. All this new anouncement is doing is just giving you warning that plans are being put into place to ask for legislation to allow it oficialy. When I say ask for what I mean is the deal has already been done and is nothing you can do about it but accept it and carry on with your normal life. As I say its already been going on for years anyhow "

my thoughts exactly we only know because they want us to know simples

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Sheesh, people get spooked so easily. A mere hint that the govt are watching (they've been watching for decades anyway) and all sorts of heebie-jeebies spring out the woodwork yelling, "Oh woe is! Woe is me!"

psst.. heads up time.

All data is very easy to store and ISPs have been doing it for a while now (to help the govt combat online paedophilia). Not all that data is actually scrutinised by the govt (they don't have hundreds of thousands of people available to do it), but what does happen is that someone comes to the govt's notice for whatever reason and it is decided to gather as much info about that person as possible. Off trots Head Spook to GCHQ with a Spooky Warrant and he has a chat with the Head GCHQer over there in Cheltenham and says, "Hi Agent X, give us the lowdown on this scumba... er.. citizen please. Ta awfully old chap."

And then, armed with a flash drive of dodgy photos and a few transcripts of "How to make bombs" from the websites this 'citizen' has been viewing, off he canters back to Whitehall and gives the info to Head Spook as MI5 who looks it over and says, "Yup, official scumbag, go get him."

pssst 2 ... I don't think swingers are high on their list of priorities unless you're either a) Royal or b) in the Govt. (black glasses for effect)

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By *heWolfMan  over a year ago

warwickshire


"So what if everything is being screened. Only the guilty/criminals need be worried. "

Until it's your turn for the knock on the door. Probably a lot easier to nick nominally law-abiding citizens than trying to crack a terror cell.

Let's say you exchange private e-mails with a mate and some, um, "un-PC" opinions are expressed. Would you expect to have your door kicked in and be dragged off to jail?

Don't say it won't happen, that student sitting in his cell right now doing 56 days didn't think he'd get jail time for what were offensive, disgusting Tweets, but at the end of the day, HURT no-one, least of all the people they were aimed at. And there's the rub, the people who complained to the police, who decided those Tweets constituted a "Hate Crime", weren't even the people they were aimed at.

What's to say that someone browsing your mails doesn't decide they are offended by your words and gets you arrested?

I don't mean to say you will be using language like those Tweets, but you don't know when something you might type, like, ooooh, let's see : "Fuck the Queen, her Jubilee, and the Olympics. Let's hope they all collapse in disaster" - somebody somewhere, might read those words and decide they are an icitement to public disorder.

Think of the things you might say in a private e-mail, things that aren't meant to be broadcast on social networks, do you want to have to worry about your words in case you upset an Official Censor? Fuck that, fuck them!

How about if you are innocently mailing someone who IS a villain, are you prepared to be hauled in while they try and work out your connection to him? Your mail might be TOO innocent looking, there's obviously a code there to be cracked...

They might be bringing in this law to tackle terrorists, sure, but it won't be long before they are routinely looking for "potential troublemakers" ie. anyone who deviates from the norms of society. At present, swinging is considered one of those deviances, however harmless we know it is, especially if they haven't got any terror cells to smash.

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By *ushroom7Man  over a year ago

Bradford


"If you have nothing to hide or fear regards the terrorism act etc etc or criminal activity then what are you bothered about

They are not going to have a oerson there sat monitoring every single email txt or phone call etc etc

This kind of thing has been going on for years and it just takes certain words to start a tape recorder going in a very secret location called menworth hill in yorkshire ( oooow did I just say that out loud then oooooops) and then an alert is sent to a person to listen back and make a decision if theres something worth further investigation etc etc

Once again why be worried about this if you have nothing to hide

All this is is just an extension of whats already going on and in place its just that the internet has not been part of it officialy thats all "

Hey, Charlie, is it snow ing yet in North Yorkshire?

For anyone interested google PHORM and see what they got upto. The European Commissions reaction and the Governments response.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


" Don't say it won't happen, that student sitting in his cell right now doing 56 days didn't think he'd get jail time for what were offensive, disgusting Tweets, but at the end of the day, HURT no-one, least of all the people they were aimed at. "

What a facetious thing to say! How the fook do you know nobody was hurt by those vile comments? Or do you equate hurt to physical assault on a person's body? How do you think his partner felt as she watched her man fighting for his life in the middle of a football pitch? Do you think she just thought, "Oh well, nevermind."

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By *ushroom7Man  over a year ago

Bradford

For a browser that claims it doesn't track everything you look for, and has a setting to allow porny sorta stuff, have a try of :

DuckDuckGo.

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By *heWolfMan  over a year ago

warwickshire


" someone comes to the govt's notice for whatever reason and it is decided to gather as much info about that person as possible. Off trots Head Spook to GCHQ with a Spooky Warrant and he has a chat with the Head GCHQer over there in Cheltenham and says, "Hi Agent X, give us the lowdown on this scumba... er.. citizen please. Ta awfully old chap.""

They have to get a Warrant from a magistrate to do their snooping right now, and that's just fine, IMHO. Why would they need to change this? Are they suggesting that there are that many dangerous people out there that applying for a Warrant is too heavy on time and resources?

(I'm sure Secret Squirrel isn't going to constrained by what he's legally allowed to do and what he's not if he's watching someone, I'm not that naiive, but the fact they can't just start mass snooping without having to justify it to an outside party is a move towards less freedoms for us all)

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By *heWolfMan  over a year ago

warwickshire


" What a facetious thing to say! How the fook do you know nobody was hurt by those vile comments? Or do you equate hurt to physical assault on a person's body? How do you think his partner felt as she watched her man fighting for his life in the middle of a football pitch? Do you think she just thought, "Oh well, nevermind.""

I doubt she read the remarks till someone pointed them out to her. The complainants to the police weren't the people the comments were aimed at.

Wait till someone reads your comments, decides someone else (who hasn't read them) might be hurt by them, and reports you to Plod. Maybe it'll be someone doing a routine scan of your private mail..

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By *he_original_poloWoman  over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester


" What a facetious thing to say! How the fook do you know nobody was hurt by those vile comments? Or do you equate hurt to physical assault on a person's body? How do you think his partner felt as she watched her man fighting for his life in the middle of a football pitch? Do you think she just thought, "Oh well, nevermind."

I doubt she read the remarks till someone pointed them out to her. The complainants to the police weren't the people the comments were aimed at.

Wait till someone reads your comments, decides someone else (who hasn't read them) might be hurt by them, and reports you to Plod. Maybe it'll be someone doing a routine scan of your private mail.. "

I really hope someone reports some of the sore looking manky fanny photos knocking about on here... they are offensive.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


" What a facetious thing to say! How the fook do you know nobody was hurt by those vile comments? Or do you equate hurt to physical assault on a person's body? How do you think his partner felt as she watched her man fighting for his life in the middle of a football pitch? Do you think she just thought, "Oh well, nevermind."

I doubt she read the remarks till someone pointed them out to her. The complainants to the police weren't the people the comments were aimed at.

Wait till someone reads your comments, decides someone else (who hasn't read them) might be hurt by them, and reports you to Plod. Maybe it'll be someone doing a routine scan of your private mail..

I really hope someone reports some of the sore looking manky fanny photos knocking about on here... they are offensive."

Yeah, they are aren't they? lol

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By *atisfy janeWoman  over a year ago

Torquay

Is paranoia a reportable offence?.....if so I wish to dob a few nutty members in to the relevant authorities....

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Meh, I personally am no more or less concerned than before. I remember a few years ago-i think during the 90's..- a paramedic lost her job after one of the major tabloids ran a story 'exposing'(they actually used that word) her sordid lifestyle as a swinger. This was despite her being masked in all photos that she had online...

My point being, if anyone, be it government representatives, tabloids, whoever, is going to take a crack at the swinging community in the name of so-called moral righteousness, they're going to do it whether these laws exist or not

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Please excuse the long, edited quotation of an assessment of yesterday's developments by the SpyBlog website:

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"The anonymous media briefings ahead of next month's Queen's Speech are continuing today, lead by the Sunday Times and followed by the Press Association, with broadcasters like the BBC joining in, second hand.

The Sunday Times has published a rather meagre front page article on the Coalition government's revival of Labour's "All Your Internet Are belong To Us" snooping plans:

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---- SUNDAY TIMES:

The government is to expand hugely its powers to monitor email exchanges and website visits of every person in Britain.

Under plans expected to be announced in the Queen's speech next month, internet companies will be told to install thousands of pieces of hardware to allow GCHQ, the government's eavesdropping centre, to scrutinise "on demand" every phone call made, text message and email sent and website accessed in real time.------

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They already have this legal power which does not require any sort of judicial warrant, under the notorious Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000. All that GCHQ needs is a "catch all" Warrant or Certificate signed by a Secretary of State i.e. normally, in their case, the Foreign Secretary William Hague.

This introduced the legal power to install "black box" snooping hardware at the major Telecommunications companies and Internet Service Providers, overseen by theTechnical Advisory Board.

The amount of money the the Labour government was willing to pay for this snooping infrastructure was a paltry sum, which is why it took so long for any agreement with the ISPs. N.B. the interests and priorities of ISPs and Telecomms companies are not the same as those of their customers.

The volume of internet data flowing today is orders of magnitude more than that envisaged back in 2000, so If the new plan is to really going to install "thousands of pieces of hardware", then this plan will cost billions of pounds.

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------SUNDAY TIMES

An effort by Labour to introduce a similar law was shelved in 2006 after fierce opposition from the Tories, Liberal Democrats and pri­vacy campaigners.------

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The useless Jacqui Smith threatened us with a Communications Data Bill, but that was in 2009, not 2006

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----SUNDAY TIMES

While the new law would not allow GCHQ to monitor the content of communica­tions without obtaining a warrant, it would permit the intelligence agency to trace whom a person or group had contacted, when, for how long and how often.----

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That is no different from the existing RIPA law then

Members of the Internet Service Providers' Associa­tion, which represents more than 200 businesses including BT, Virgin Media and Google, were given some details of the proposals last month and were alarmed by what they were told.

So why does this Sunday Times article not mention the Communications Capabilities Development Programme (CCDP), which is what the ISPs were briefing other journalists on last month?

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----SUNDAY TIMES

A senior industry official said: "It's mass surveillance. ?The idea is that the network operator should effectively intercept the ?communications between, say, Google and some third party

"the network operators are going to be asked to put probes in the network and they are upset about the idea ... It's expensive, it's intru­sive to your own customers, it's very difficult to see it's going to work properly and it's going to be a nightmare to run legally."

The association said: "It is important that proposals to update government's capabili­ties to intercept and retain communications data... are proportionate, respect freedom of expression and the privacy of users."

Under the current law, companies must keep records for some traditional types of phone and electronic commu­nication for a year.----

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Hold on, the European Union Data Retention regulations e.g.

The Data Retention (EC Directive) Regulations 2009

are about forcing ISPs and Landline and Mobile Phone companies to keep Communications Data unnecessarily, which they would otherwise have been obliged to delete under the Data Protection Act, since they themselves no longer have any legitimate use for it, especially if the internet or mobile phone bills have been pre-paid. Data Retention is not about access to such retained data.

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----SUNDAY TIMES

The new legislation would extend this provision to cover a much wider field, including social media sites such as Facebook and Twitter and online video games.----

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Perhaps the Sunday Times is actually writing about CCDP then.

N.B. CCDP is not not just a GCHQ project (which has its own "Mastering the Internet" investment programme) but is being "coordinated" by the technologically inept Home Office.

It is not physically possible to get Communications Traffic Data form foreign based social media websites like FaceBook or Twitter without actually using techniques such as Deep Packet Inspection and perhaps even Man-In-The-Middle Attack SSL / proxies i.e. it requires actual Interception of the Content of these websites to do this.

The only countries which attempt to do this at the moment are repressive regimes like Iran, China, Saudi Arabia etc.

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----SUNDAY TIMES

Dominic Raab, a Tory MP who has campaigned for civil liberties, said: "If over-zealous officials are trying to resuscitate Labour's flawed paln for 'big brother'?monitoring, ministers need to nip this in the bud."

MI5 and GCHQ have been lobbying hard for the wider powers which, they believe, are a crucial tool to combat terrorism and serious crime.----

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Serious Crime is not within the remit of either GCHQ or MI5

The Police cannot cope properly with the vast amount of data they already gather, so why will "searching for a needle in a haystack, by throwing in several more haystacks", be cost effective ?

There is no evidence that holding 6 month or 1 year old Communications Data of hundreds of millions of innocent people in the European Union, has been of any use in catching criminals or terrorists. Where it has been of use, e.g. in the recent Toulouse serial killer / extremist case, the Communications Data has been very recent and the searches have been narrowly targeted to a suspects known phones or email addresses or to a victim's web advert etc.

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----SUNDAY TIMES

At present GCHQ can use probes to monitor the content of calls and emails sent by specific individuals who are the subject of police or security service investigation, provided it has ministerial approval.----

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For "ministerial approval" read "ministerial or senior official rubber stamp"

There should actually be independent Judicial warrants for such intrusive interception surveillance, not rubber stamping by politicians.

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----SUNDAY TIMES

The Home Office said it would introduce new legislation "as soon as parliamentary time allow" but stressed that the data to be monitored would not include content.----

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Why does the Sunday Times not name this anonymous Home Office spokesman ?

Which part of the phrase "Deep Packet Inspection = Interception of Content" does the Home Office not understand ?

Have all the civil servants and SPADs who embarrassed themselves and the Home Office over the BT / Phorm scandal now been promoted to other jobs, leaving their inexperienced "generalist" replacements to magically formulate "policy" without any technical experience or knowledge ?

Incredibly this article does not really mention Mobile Phones and especially Mobile Phone Location Data.

This, like other forms of Communications Data is available via automated gateway computer systems to authorised Police and Intelligence Agency investigators, but it is meant to be narrowly targeted and proportionate, under a combination of the Regulation of Investgatory Powers Act 2000 (which permits such agencies to make such requests) and the Data Protection Act 1998 (which exempts the Telcos and Mobile Phone Networks and ISPs from prosecution for handing such data over to them)

Is this Sunday Times article, a high quality briefing / leak by Whitehall mandarins ?

Is it safe to interpret the omissions like Soviet era Kremlinologists, and read between the lines that some of the previously evil plans which have been touted, have been watered down ?

Our opinion is that no, this is a flawed article, which has either had many important details removed by the editors for front page space reasons, or which is being deliberately deceitful by omission.

Unfortunately, as is so often the case with today's "news" industry, this article has been re-published by , for example, the Press Association, with even fewer important technical and legal details.

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"Communications data includes time, duration and dialling numbers of a phone call, or an email address. It does not include the content of any phone call or email and it is not the intention of Government to make changes to the existing legal basis for the interception of communications."----

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Note the (deliberate ?) omission of Mobile Phone Location Data in this alleged definition of Communications Data. This does not include Tweets or Facebook "likes", which do require interception of the content of a web browsing session (also deliberately not mentioned ?)

David Davis, one of the few Conservative MPs who stood up for civil liberties when in opposition to Labour, has rightly criticised this plan in a BBC video clip, in which he does mention some of the things omitted by the Sunday Times.

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Instead of just passively waiting for another NuLabour style fait-accompli, please contact your local MP and / or join or support cross-party groups like NO2ID Campaign or the Open Rights Group

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