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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I'll say upfront that I am not a vaper so know very little about it hence the question. At the traffic lights earlier there was a car next to me where the driver was vaping. In the car were two young children (car seats) and the windows were all closed.
Is this sensible or any laws around it? Educate me about vaping in closed spaces. |
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By *ilkenWoman
over a year ago
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As far as the law goes you can do it but I doubt it will be for long as like smoking its a distraction while driving like using a mobile so its something that will be banned sooner than later. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"As far as the law goes you can do it but I doubt it will be for long as like smoking its a distraction while driving like using a mobile so its something that will be banned sooner than later."
Smoking isn’t banned in cars. It’s only if children are in the car. As far as I’m aware. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Considering the recent vape deaths spree, I'm flabbergasted it's not illegal already."
Although why should it be illegal. These evil 'parents' should know better than to do that around kids anyway. |
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"Smoking isn’t banned in cars. It’s only if children are in the car. As far as I’m aware. "
The Children and Families Act 2015 (into law 1 Oct 16) makes it illegal (£50 fine) to smoke in a car when children are present.
The law does not apply to:
e-cigarettes (vaping)
a driver who is 17 years old if they are on their own in the car
a convertible car with the roof completely down
The Health Act 2006 had made it an offence to smoke in enclosed work places, in public buildings and on public transport.
The definition of a work place any work vehicle that more than one person uses e.g. taxis, minibuses, buses, vans, goods vehicles used by more than one driver and company cars used by more than one employee.
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By (user no longer on site)
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No its illegal to vape in a car with children however there are a number of offences you can be charged with if you're vaping with the windows closed as it impares the vision and abilty to control the vehicle. Its completely at the discretion of the officer who stops you but police are starting to crack down on vaping and driving if your windows are closed |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Do vapes always contain nicotine?
Yes
No they don't.
It’s rare they don’t, very few products have zero nicotine "
All vaping products have 0 nicotine, if you want/require nicotine its purchased separately and added to the liquid.
Its illegal to sell any vaping product containing nicotine under tpd legislation |
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"Wrong to do it while driving, even alone imho.....
I agree, how do you even see out the windscreen with the amount of reek that comes out of them  "
I've nearly called the fire brigade following some vehicles with vapers .... the clouds that billow out... |
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"All vaping products have 0 nicotine, if you want/require nicotine its purchased separately and added to the liquid.
Its illegal to sell any vaping product containing nicotine under tpd legislation "
Just head to your nearest e-cig retailer; vaping products containing nicotine are clearly available.
The Tobacco Products Directive (TPD) limited sale of nicotine containing vape products to 20 mg/ml among other things*.
TPD required each variation of the relevant nicotine containing e-liquid to also undergo compliance testing e.g. for 5, 7.5, 10, 15 and 20 mg/ml formulations required 10 compliance tests (two tests at each strength). Additionally, compliance tests were required for every non-nicotine variation e.g ratio of vegetable glycerol and propyl glycol and at every nicotine strength that had those variations.
Compliance was, obviously, going to be costly and as research indicated that 73% of e-liquid nicotine sales were 1- 11 mg/ml, and compliance was not required in relation to flavours and colours, it was clear that dilution of a small quantity of highly concentrated nicotine (that would only have to be tested once at the maximum nicotine strength) was a viable and more cost-effective route to TPD compliance.
Hence the arrival of 'nicotine shots' 10 ml bottles of concentrated nicotine (at, or close to, max nicotine strength 20 mg/ml) which can be mixed with a larger bottle of flavoured and coloured nicotine free e-liquid.
For example, mix 10 ml of 18 mg/ml nicotine with a 50 ml bottle of flavoured, coloured 0 mg/ml carrier results in 60 ml of e-liquid with an overall nicotine strength of 3 mg/ml.
The solution (pun) becomes a smaller number of compliance tested nicotine containing e-cig products in standard nicotine concentrations, high concentration nicotine 'shots' and an expanded variety of carrier liquids for self-mixing.
Incidentally, the human LD50** for nicotine is 6.5–13 mg/kg.
* including tamper evident and child resistant packaging! prohibition of certain ingredients (taurine, colourings, caffeine etc.), mandatory use of labelling and health warning signs on packaging etc.
**median lethal dose that will kill 50% of the test population |
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