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Fuck 'em, the people starting all the shaming are mostly those "woke" do gooder celebrities who fly all over the world on a weekly basis but think they have the right to lecture those of us who probably fly less than five times a year on climate change  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Nope. Had a friend whinge as my next holiday involves 5 flights in 8 days... but these flights would still fly without me. Plus it was cheaper than the train "
I'm not jealous about your holiday .... honestly  |
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"Nope. Had a friend whinge as my next holiday involves 5 flights in 8 days... but these flights would still fly without me. Plus it was cheaper than the train
I'm not jealous about your holiday .... honestly "
cheap as chips.. first flight was £9.99... 2nd 12.99.. then €32 return and last one is £34. For 8 days in Europe and home again |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The next thing apparently..
Shame people for flying and affecting the climate..
Does anyone feel guilty enough to stop flying on their hols ?
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Unless I wake up with wings, it's still the prepared method for me. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Nope! My mum and dad never went on a plane, my sister has never been on a plane and only been on one once a few weeks ago. So I reckon I can several more flights with no guilt at all. My family carbon footprint is fairly low. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Oh ffs. Yes aircraft as individual vehicles may be rather heavy polluters, but share it between passenger numbers and modern gas turbines are cleaner than most public transport and certainly less damaging to the environment than the energy that goes into mining precious base elements required for EV batteries. And yes, I can comment with some certainty having worked in oil, aviation, and now the renewable energy sectors. |
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"No. I'm passionate about environmental issues but I don't ever believe that progress should involve moving backwards."
Good god I would happily double my carbon footprint to come and get my hands on your body!  *sorry for thread drift* |
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Not when travel is the best form of education.
I understand the environmental aspect but I think the world would be a better place if we all travelled more and experienced the world and people beyond our shores. |
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By *wingfellowMan
over a year ago
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When politicians do Skype group calls instead of flying across the globe to do “summits” I will consider relinquishing the very few opportunities I get to travel. Although without flights people wouldn’t be as culturally understanding ergo it would make people even more ill educated than they are already. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Are cruise ships big polluters ?
Yes massive!
The air quality in Southampton breaches legal levels almost every time we have a ship in port. "
Also when we more that one in (happens all the time) the population in the city doubles, traffic is horrendous and has a big impact but not all negative. The unemployment rate is low and they boost the local economy but there is definitely a huge environmental impact. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Nope. Had a friend whinge as my next holiday involves 5 flights in 8 days... but these flights would still fly without me. Plus it was cheaper than the train
I'm not jealous about your holiday .... honestly cheap as chips.. first flight was £9.99... 2nd 12.99.. then €32 return and last one is £34. For 8 days in Europe and home again "
where are you flying from in UK? |
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"The next thing apparently..
Shame people for flying and affecting the climate..
Does anyone feel guilty enough to stop flying on their hols ?
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Let's start with Emma Thomson who flew across the Atlantic in a jumbo jet, to talk for 10 minutes at..........
*drum roll...........
A climate change protest rally.
FFS. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The next thing apparently..
Shame people for flying and affecting the climate..
Does anyone feel guilty enough to stop flying on their hols ?
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yes i feel guilty im gonna walk to the cannaries at xmas  |
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I don't get motivated by guilt, solely by considered choice and pursuit of what I believe to be right. I've flown a few thousand miles this year, considerably less than I used to do, before I decided to reduce my flights.
Emotional manipulation of others is generally wrong imo. We need to educate and engendet rapid political action to reduce our heating effects upon the planet. Everything done to mitigate heating is useful but the bulk of the changes will need governments to deliver the frameworks needed to achieve major goals.
Thankfully there are several promising options emerging, including large tree planting action. Significant reductions to our meat rearing and consumption also can realise goals too. |
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I’m offsetting my flight footprint by not producing any children for this already over populated planet.
Hopefully the whingers all have brats and will make sure they never step foot on a plane, so I can fly peacefully without one of the little shits squealing throughout the flight, kicking my seat or running up and down the plane like it’s a fucking playground, while the parents sit there drinking.
To sum up, I really don’t give a shit how much someone tries to shame me as I enjoy the sun and cocktails in my luxury adult only Caribbean hotel- Long Island iced tea please barman!  |
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No I don't. I don't feel ashamed when I drive my car either. I do what I can and always put my Weetabix box in the correct recycling container although now we have 432 kerbside boxes it is proving slightly more difficult to remember which one the very tiny springs from the inside of my electric toothbrush replacement heads go in |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Not until someone can explain how a flight can create more tons of carbon than it carries fuel.
It doesn't create the carbon, it releases it into the atmosphere
So where does it come from?"
Where’s the fella who posts conspiracies? |
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I think we should stop all this shaming.
I heard from a reputable source (more or less on radio 4) that a European flight only has the same carbon footprint as a leg of lamb.
I’ll continue to fly. After all the amount of damage I’ll be able to do in my lifetime is pretty minimal, assuming I live for another 30 years or so.
What is dangerous to the planet is having kids, who may have kids who have kids.
Damage therefore unlimited. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It's not about shaming people for flying so much as it is for taking private jets to destinations.
You can argue a case that they could have flown a commercial plane, instead of taking a private jet. |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
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"I think we should stop all this shaming.
I heard from a reputable source (more or less on radio 4) that a European flight only has the same carbon footprint as a leg of lamb.
I’ll continue to fly. After all the amount of damage I’ll be able to do in my lifetime is pretty minimal, assuming I live for another 30 years or so.
What is dangerous to the planet is having kids, who may have kids who have kids.
Damage therefore unlimited."
Should we give up lamb ?
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"I think we should stop all this shaming.
I heard from a reputable source (more or less on radio 4) that a European flight only has the same carbon footprint as a leg of lamb.
I’ll continue to fly. After all the amount of damage I’ll be able to do in my lifetime is pretty minimal, assuming I live for another 30 years or so.
What is dangerous to the planet is having kids, who may have kids who have kids.
Damage therefore unlimited.
Should we give up lamb ?
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It depends if it has been on a plane or not.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The next thing apparently..
Shame people for flying and affecting the climate..
Does anyone feel guilty enough to stop flying on their hols ?
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I'll be flying in Feb, first time in about 5 years but it's a special occasion so no I don't feel guilty. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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They should be shamed instead for using products that come from far far away, especially consumable luxury products that take many far away ingredients ( like lush!) -mrs |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I thought flight shaming was about the grotty people who cut their toenails while on a plane. 
I'll be taking antibacterial wipes with me! "
And safety glasses. |
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"Nope. Had a friend whinge as my next holiday involves 5 flights in 8 days... but these flights would still fly without me. Plus it was cheaper than the train
I'm not jealous about your holiday .... honestly cheap as chips.. first flight was £9.99... 2nd 12.99.. then €32 return and last one is £34. For 8 days in Europe and home again
where are you flying from in UK?"
East Midlands but back to Heathrow. ( having a visit to my sister) |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I no longer feel bad for anything I do and I won't allow anyone to make me feel bad for it either.
So no I wouldn't give up flying, nor will I give up my car or anything else |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I think talk of targeting flights for their environmental impact is a distraction technique. Most of us fly infrequently. Those flights would still fly without us. There's not a lot any if us can do on an individual basis to limit the environmental impact of commercial flights. But it's a lot easy to have a conversation about things we can't do than what we can. Which is why, in my opinion, we are pushed towards these debates. |
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By *shoreMan
over a year ago
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Very interesting world we would have if everyone stopped flying......wed go back to the dark ages with our ideas and the amount of people out of work and not paying taxes.....very easy to say things when they dont involve how you put food on the table...... |
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"Very interesting world we would have if everyone stopped flying......wed go back to the dark ages with our ideas and the amount of people out of work and not paying taxes.....very easy to say things when they dont involve how you put food on the table......"
Less chance of killer flu spreading though  |
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"The next thing apparently..
Shame people for flying and affecting the climate..
Does anyone feel guilty enough to stop flying on their hols ?
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It's a load of bollocks. Aviation is an industry that supports millions of jobs. As are other forms of transport.
They may well be helping to warm the planet - but to shame people for wanting a holiday abroad? Fuck that.
As it happens, I've not flown anywhere in 16 years; which is why I can eat as much bacon as I like. LOL |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I thought flight shaming was about the grotty people who cut their toenails while on a plane.
Apparently there is a group on Facebook showing that. "
Sounds like fun.  |
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"I don't know why they don't have electric planes? Apart from batteries taking up all the space, and the aircraft being too heavy to fly.... but apart from that..."
They are in development if you search for them. |
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"Not until someone can explain how a flight can create more tons of carbon than it carries fuel.
It doesn't create the carbon, it releases it into the atmosphere"
Aviation fuel is a mixture of various alkanes and alkenes of short chain lengths. These are basically a chain of carbons bonded to hydrogen. Depending upon the exact mix the exact ratios will vary, but there are approximately 2 hydrogen atoms bonded to each carbon. The relative atomic masses are 12 and 1,so for each 12 grams of carbon there are 2 grams of hydrogen.
Assuming complete combustion (which it won't be) then each carbon is converted to CO2, so one carbon bonded to 2 oxygens. The mass of oxygen is 16 and so the relative mass of CO2 is 12+16+16=44.
Overall one carbon and its associated hydrogens weighing an equivalent of approximately 14 becomes CO2 weighing 44. Thus the increase in mass compared to the weight of fuel on board at take off.
Sorry, the chemist in me came out to play then. |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
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"Not until someone can explain how a flight can create more tons of carbon than it carries fuel.
It doesn't create the carbon, it releases it into the atmosphere
Aviation fuel is a mixture of various alkanes and alkenes of short chain lengths. These are basically a chain of carbons bonded to hydrogen. Depending upon the exact mix the exact ratios will vary, but there are approximately 2 hydrogen atoms bonded to each carbon. The relative atomic masses are 12 and 1,so for each 12 grams of carbon there are 2 grams of hydrogen.
Assuming complete combustion (which it won't be) then each carbon is converted to CO2, so one carbon bonded to 2 oxygens. The mass of oxygen is 16 and so the relative mass of CO2 is 12+16+16=44.
Overall one carbon and its associated hydrogens weighing an equivalent of approximately 14 becomes CO2 weighing 44. Thus the increase in mass compared to the weight of fuel on board at take off.
Sorry, the chemist in me came out to play then. "
Super analysis..
Global warming a natural cycle though |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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There's always some miserable sod wanting to shame another to make themselves feel better. Truth is its it hard to shame anyone.
I do worry about the shaming culture though - now we're shaming ppl for shaming, next we'll be shaming shame shamers.....  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"There's always some miserable sod wanting to shame another to make themselves feel better. Truth is its it hard to shame anyone.
I do worry about the shaming culture though - now we're shaming ppl for shaming, next we'll be shaming shame shamers..... "
It's a shame..... |
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They may well be helping to warm the planet - but to shame people for wanting a holiday abroad? Fuck that.
As it happens, I've not flown anywhere in 16 years; which is why I can eat as much bacon as I like. LOL"
I rarely eat bacon, so I can holiday as much as I like due to offsetting by reducing pig flatulence effects |
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By *olgateMan
over a year ago
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"The next thing apparently..
Shame people for flying and affecting the climate..
Does anyone feel guilty enough to stop flying on their hols ?
It's a load of bollocks. Aviation is an industry that supports millions of jobs. As are other forms of transport.
They may well be helping to warm the planet - but to shame people for wanting a holiday abroad? Fuck that.
As it happens, I've not flown anywhere in 16 years; which is why I can eat as much bacon as I like. LOL"
As long as it’s English bacon |
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