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 No judgement from me pal.
"I just want to be able to live again"  Fucking almost had me there! | |||
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"He’s always an inspirational guy. Recent events have just solidified my view of him. " Took a lot of courage to admit it. Even for a man who has buckets of the stuff, it cant have been easy to hold onto, or admit that. | |||
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"He announced the news as he was being black mailed. Then later on he went and did the Tenby Ironman. He's a hero of ours over here and that was before he announced he was gay and further on he has HIV. He's an inspirational chap that's for sure" What a cunty thing to do to another human being eh? | |||
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"I listed him as one of my heroes the other day. Then I heard the news. Then I saw his piece to camera, talking about HIV. Almost cried with him. Still a hero of mine No judgement from me pal.
"I just want to be able to live again" Fucking almost had me there! " | |||
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"I really liked the bloke but as a former rugby player it would cause me worry had i been an opponent rugby players are cut a lot of the time not an expert at all but doesnt blood transfer spread it " so you don’t like him anymore? | |||
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"I really liked the bloke but as a former rugby player it would cause me worry had i been an opponent rugby players are cut a lot of the time not an expert at all but doesnt blood transfer spread it so you don’t like him anymore?" still like the guy as a guy but just saying id be worried is all | |||
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"I just hope the police prosecute the person who threatened to out him and tried to bl&ckmail him that's a totally shitty thnig to do. " Can't help but suspect it won't be a person and more likely a paper with their usual threat of outing someone | |||
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"And il add if he had it while playing rugby id actively seek to sue him if i were an opponent or team mate as much as i liked the guy rugbys dangerous enough without the added risk of hiv " Sue him for what exactly? | |||
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"And il add if he had it while playing rugby id actively seek to sue him if i were an opponent or team mate as much as i liked the guy rugbys dangerous enough without the added risk of hiv Sue him for what exactly?" Im sure id think of something | |||
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"And il add if he had it while playing rugby id actively seek to sue him if i were an opponent or team mate as much as i liked the guy rugbys dangerous enough without the added risk of hiv Sue him for what exactly?" attempted mass murder maybe | |||
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"And il add if he had it while playing rugby id actively seek to sue him if i were an opponent or team mate as much as i liked the guy rugbys dangerous enough without the added risk of hiv " Oh you often had unprotected sex with a team mate did you was that before, during or after the game?  | |||
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"And il add if he had it while playing rugby id actively seek to sue him if i were an opponent or team mate as much as i liked the guy rugbys dangerous enough without the added risk of hiv Sue him for what exactly?attempted mass murder maybe" No. You need to prove intent for that. | |||
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"And il add if he had it while playing rugby id actively seek to sue him if i were an opponent or team mate as much as i liked the guy rugbys dangerous enough without the added risk of hiv Oh you often had unprotected sex with a team mate did you was that before, during or after the game? "u think its only sex that spreads it  open wound rubbed against open wound would do the same damage this time i did do the research i asked an expert altho not a huge risk its still added risk | |||
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"And il add if he had it while playing rugby id actively seek to sue him if i were an opponent or team mate as much as i liked the guy rugbys dangerous enough without the added risk of hiv Sue him for what exactly?attempted mass murder maybe No. You need to prove intent for that. " not hard to prove if he knew he had it | |||
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"And il add if he had it while playing rugby id actively seek to sue him if i were an opponent or team mate as much as i liked the guy rugbys dangerous enough without the added risk of hiv Sue him for what exactly?attempted mass murder maybe No. You need to prove intent for that. not hard to prove if he knew he had it" Every time he took to the pitch, he intended killing people? Intentionally? Really? Charming coming from someone who was banned for attacking a ref | |||
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"I just hope the police prosecute the person who threatened to out him and tried to bl&ckmail him that's a totally shitty thnig to do. Can't help but suspect it won't be a person and more likely a paper with their usual threat of outing someone " I thought he spoke up because he was threatened? Well if it is a paper he should out them its a disgusting thnig to do to anyone no matter what reason. | |||
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"And il add if he had it while playing rugby id actively seek to sue him if i were an opponent or team mate as much as i liked the guy rugbys dangerous enough without the added risk of hiv Sue him for what exactly?attempted mass murder maybe No. You need to prove intent for that. not hard to prove if he knew he had it Every time he took to the pitch, he intended killing people? Intentionally? Really? Charming coming from someone who was banned for attacking a ref"  | |||
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"And il add if he had it while playing rugby id actively seek to sue him if i were an opponent or team mate as much as i liked the guy rugbys dangerous enough without the added risk of hiv Sue him for what exactly?attempted mass murder maybe No. You need to prove intent for that. not hard to prove if he knew he had it Every time he took to the pitch, he intended killing people? Intentionally? Really? Charming coming from someone who was banned for attacking a ref "So does this mean GT can't hand your penis? | |||
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"And il add if he had it while playing rugby id actively seek to sue him if i were an opponent or team mate as much as i liked the guy rugbys dangerous enough without the added risk of hiv Sue him for what exactly?attempted mass murder maybe No. You need to prove intent for that. not hard to prove if he knew he had it Every time he took to the pitch, he intended killing people? Intentionally? Really? Charming coming from someone who was banned for attacking a ref
So does this mean GT can't hand your penis?"That's have, not hand | |||
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"And il add if he had it while playing rugby id actively seek to sue him if i were an opponent or team mate as much as i liked the guy rugbys dangerous enough without the added risk of hiv " Dear god you do like wielding your big spoon about don't you lol | |||
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"And il add if he had it while playing rugby id actively seek to sue him if i were an opponent or team mate as much as i liked the guy rugbys dangerous enough without the added risk of hiv Dear god you do like wielding your big spoon about don't you lol " | |||
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"He announced the news as he was being black mailed. Then later on he went and did the Tenby Ironman. He's a hero of ours over here and that was before he announced he was gay and further on he has HIV. He's an inspirational chap that's for sure" | |||
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"I listed him as one of my heroes the other day. Then I heard the news. Then I saw his piece to camera, talking about HIV. Almost cried with him. Still a hero of mine No judgement from me pal.
"I just want to be able to live again" Fucking almost had me there! " | |||
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"Some comments make me laugh. Some comments make me wonder what the human race has become. I have played rugby for 34 years. I now play for an inclusive team. Guess what it has gay straight and bisexual men in the team. Some are HIV positive. Some aren't. I have shared scrums rucks and punch ups with these guys. Then a shower and piss up afterwards. I know the risks. I decide to play. Good on Gareth speaking out to ensure others dont feel lost. Id play rugby with him any day of the week. " Well said!
One of the better viewpoints today!
Shame there are still some people who are still stuck in 80's timewarp negative thinking. | |||
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"And il add if he had it while playing rugby id actively seek to sue him if i were an opponent or team mate as much as i liked the guy rugbys dangerous enough without the added risk of hiv Sue him for what exactly? attempted mass murder maybe" I didn't think my opinion of you could be any lower but I was wrong. Sick. | |||
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"And il add if he had it while playing rugby id actively seek to sue him if i were an opponent or team mate as much as i liked the guy rugbys dangerous enough without the added risk of hiv Sue him for what exactly? attempted mass murder maybe I didn't think my opinion of you could be any lower but I was wrong. Sick." always must strive to break barriers  | |||
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"Some comments make me laugh. Some comments make me wonder what the human race has become. I have played rugby for 34 years. I now play for an inclusive team. Guess what it has gay straight and bisexual men in the team. Some are HIV positive. Some aren't. I have shared scrums rucks and punch ups with these guys. Then a shower and piss up afterwards. I know the risks. I decide to play. Good on Gareth speaking out to ensure others dont feel lost. Id play rugby with him any day of the week. " your in my prayers | |||
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"And il add if he had it while playing rugby id actively seek to sue him if i were an opponent or team mate as much as i liked the guy rugbys dangerous enough without the added risk of hiv Sue him for what exactly?attempted mass murder maybe No. You need to prove intent for that. not hard to prove if he knew he had it Every time he took to the pitch, he intended killing people? Intentionally? Really? Charming coming from someone who was banned for attacking a ref" hmmmm crack in the gob or maybe change someones life forever yeah both are equal | |||
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"Good on him....this is 2019 not the 1980's Not something anyone would want of course, but it's high time the stigma surrounding HIV was eradicated. A person on effective medication cannot pass the virus on" so u would share blood and trust the meds?is that not like putting a gun to your head and firing trusting the guy who took out the firing pin | |||
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"Good on him....this is 2019 not the 1980's Not something anyone would want of course, but it's high time the stigma surrounding HIV was eradicated. A person on effective medication cannot pass the virus onso u would share blood and trust the meds?is that not like putting a gun to your head and firing trusting the guy who took out the firing pin" And there it is, another neanderlithic response from a 1980's dinosaur  | |||
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"Good on him....this is 2019 not the 1980's Not something anyone would want of course, but it's high time the stigma surrounding HIV was eradicated. A person on effective medication cannot pass the virus onso u would share blood and trust the meds?is that not like putting a gun to your head and firing trusting the guy who took out the firing pin And there it is, another neanderlithic response from a 1980's dinosaur "yes/no i challenge anyone to try it out id put all my money on it that you wouldnt get 50% to try it | |||
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"Can we drop the hypothetical shite about rugby and just concentrate on a man coming to terms with anyones worst nightmare, publically." And completely ignore the very real possibility that he may have passed on the "worst nightmare" to many others by not taking responsibility for his and others' health by having unprotected sex? | |||
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"Can we drop the hypothetical shite about rugby and just concentrate on a man coming to terms with anyones worst nightmare, publically. And completely ignore the very real possibility that he may have passed on the "worst nightmare" to many others by not taking responsibility for his and others' health by having unprotected sex?" did he i didnt know that | |||
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"I listed him as one of my heroes the other day. Then I heard the news. Then I saw his piece to camera, talking about HIV. Almost cried with him. Still a hero of mine No judgement from me pal.
"I just want to be able to live again" Fucking almost had me there! "Totally agree. He is a hero. | |||
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"As fellow rugby player in the other code, to start off with coming out as gay in a very masculine sport took massive balls to do so he already had my utmost respect but having to be forced to admit he's hiv as well is unbelievable. I think his private life has been made public enough now and he should be able to live his life in peace now. " I agree with this. It's a sad indictment of the stigma attached to HIV that he was forced to do this, not just because of the toxic celebrity culture prevalent today but also because they thought they could shame him. GT is a fantastic ambassador for the game and for gay men. The negative comments on this thread make me very sad and indicate that education and information are sadly lacking on this topic. Hopefully as a result of him making his statement, a few more people will understand what being HIV *actually* means, not what they heard from their mate in 1985. | |||
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"Good on him....this is 2019 not the 1980's Not something anyone would want of course, but it's high time the stigma surrounding HIV was eradicated. A person on effective medication cannot pass the virus onso u would share blood and trust the meds?is that not like putting a gun to your head and firing trusting the guy who took out the firing pin" HIV is no longer a death sentence someone can live longer with HIV than if they had diabetes. Good medication and health. | |||
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"Good on him....this is 2019 not the 1980's Not something anyone would want of course, but it's high time the stigma surrounding HIV was eradicated. A person on effective medication cannot pass the virus onso u would share blood and trust the meds?is that not like putting a gun to your head and firing trusting the guy who took out the firing pin HIV is no longer a death sentence someone can live longer with HIV than if they had diabetes. Good medication and health. " id rather not have to live life on meds tho in the first place if i could help it not sure many would volunteer for that | |||
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"Can we drop the hypothetical shite about rugby and just concentrate on a man coming to terms with anyones worst nightmare, publically. And completely ignore the very real possibility that he may have passed on the "worst nightmare" to many others by not taking responsibility for his and others' health by having unprotected sex?" So if 2 people have unprotected sex it is only the responsibility of 1 of those people?! | |||
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"Can we drop the hypothetical shite about rugby and just concentrate on a man coming to terms with anyones worst nightmare, publically. And completely ignore the very real possibility that he may have passed on the "worst nightmare" to many others by not taking responsibility for his and others' health by having unprotected sex? So if 2 people have unprotected sex it is only the responsibility of 1 of those people?! " Huh? How do you get that from my post?No, both people should, but this thread is just about him. Are you advocating unprotected sex? | |||
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"Can we drop the hypothetical shite about rugby and just concentrate on a man coming to terms with anyones worst nightmare, publically. And completely ignore the very real possibility that he may have passed on the "worst nightmare" to many others by not taking responsibility for his and others' health by having unprotected sex?did he i didnt know that " Since when is he May have a fact??...In regards to the rugby side of things i’m Sure if he knew or had hiv while he was playing rugby the correct procedures would have been put in place ....Maybe everyone acting like it’s still the 1980’s should watch his documentary tomorrow night... | |||
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"HIV isn't a death sentence buy it is life limiting - and the treatment is horrible & doesn't always work. Little fact from my HIV support worker days: one third of HIV positive people are undiagnosed. So, they are going about their daily life with HIV, because they have never been diagnosed. " So, whose fault is it that they haven't been diagnosed? | |||
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"As fellow rugby player in the other code, to start off with coming out as gay in a very masculine sport took massive balls to do so he already had my utmost respect but having to be forced to admit he's hiv as well is unbelievable. I think his private life has been made public enough now and he should be able to live his life in peace now. I agree with this. It's a sad indictment of the stigma attached to HIV that he was forced to do this, not just because of the toxic celebrity culture prevalent today but also because they thought they could shame him. GT is a fantastic ambassador for the game and for gay men. The negative comments on this thread make me very sad and indicate that education and information are sadly lacking on this topic. Hopefully as a result of him making his statement, a few more people will understand what being HIV *actually* means, not what they heard from their mate in 1985." i remember them adverts from back then and as a you lad myself they made me feel uneasy and scared about hiv but 35 plus years since medical science has moved on and so should the social stigma about hiv as well. Its high time a new generation should be taught hiv is not life threatening any more and remove the stigma attached to the illness | |||
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"I just hope the police prosecute the person who threatened to out him and tried to bl&ckmail him that's a totally shitty thnig to do. " | |||
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"HIV isn't a death sentence buy it is life limiting - and the treatment is horrible & doesn't always work. Little fact from my HIV support worker days: one third of HIV positive people are undiagnosed. So, they are going about their daily life with HIV, because they have never been diagnosed. " When were your HIV support worker days? I would imagine some years ago. Today in 2019, modern medication is a lot less toxic, current estimates are that around 10% of people with HIV don't know they have it. It does not have to be life limiting, life expectancy is now the same as a negative person. | |||
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"Can we drop the hypothetical shite about rugby and just concentrate on a man coming to terms with anyones worst nightmare, publically. And completely ignore the very real possibility that he may have passed on the "worst nightmare" to many others by not taking responsibility for his and others' health by having unprotected sex? So if 2 people have unprotected sex it is only the responsibility of 1 of those people?! Huh? How do you get that from my post?No, both people should, but this thread is just about him. Are you advocating unprotected sex?" Ya might wanna re read your second paragraph... If I was to have unprotected sex with someone that happened to have any sti and I caught whatever it was, it would be my fault, whether that person knew they may have something or not... I don't have unprotected sex nor would I encourage it... I do advocate taking responsibility for yourself and educating yourself of any consequence though. | |||
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"Can we drop the hypothetical shite about rugby and just concentrate on a man coming to terms with anyones worst nightmare, publically. And completely ignore the very real possibility that he may have passed on the "worst nightmare" to many others by not taking responsibility for his and others' health by having unprotected sex? So if 2 people have unprotected sex it is only the responsibility of 1 of those people?! Huh? How do you get that from my post?No, both people should, but this thread is just about him. Are you advocating unprotected sex? Ya might wanna re read your second paragraph... If I was to have unprotected sex with someone that happened to have any sti and I caught whatever it was, it would be my fault, whether that person knew they may have something or not... I don't have unprotected sex nor would I encourage it... I do advocate taking responsibility for yourself and educating yourself of any consequence though. " So you don't feel that the person that you gave the STI to had any responsibility in that situation? Not to wear a condom? This is why sexual diseases are so rife. It takes two, you know. | |||
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"It seems a fairly odd juxtaposition to me. In general, unprotected or bareback sex is always treated with scathing comments on here, yet this man is being lauded as a hero and "inspirational" on this thread. I get that he's a popular sportsman, and I have the greatest sympathy with anyone dealing with a potentially life-threatening illness, but isn't this entirely his own fault? An article I read says "Gareth had to reveal his diagnosis to a string of former sexual partners so they could be tested". I consider him neither brave or inspirational, just irresponsible and selfish." | |||
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"And il add if he had it while playing rugby id actively seek to sue him if i were an opponent or team mate as much as i liked the guy rugbys dangerous enough without the added risk of hiv " so what about on here , | |||
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"And il add if he had it while playing rugby id actively seek to sue him if i were an opponent or team mate as much as i liked the guy rugbys dangerous enough without the added risk of hiv so what about on here ," seen as its a sex site the risk comes with the territory thats why people tend to have strong opinions on bb Its not summat you expect to catch making a tackle | |||
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"And il add if he had it while playing rugby id actively seek to sue him if i were an opponent or team mate as much as i liked the guy rugbys dangerous enough without the added risk of hiv so what about on here ," You are only as safe as your last sexual partner concentrate on your own sexual health practice safe sex and go for regular tests if not then become a nun lol x | |||
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"So.. That was a no then? Charming." sorry i caused a shitstorm again | |||
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"Good on him....this is 2019 not the 1980's Not something anyone would want of course, but it's high time the stigma surrounding HIV was eradicated. A person on effective medication cannot pass the virus on" only time will tell if affective but still not a license to freely go and play | |||
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"Good on him....this is 2019 not the 1980's Not something anyone would want of course, but it's high time the stigma surrounding HIV was eradicated. A person on effective medication cannot pass the virus onso u would share blood and trust the meds?is that not like putting a gun to your head and firing trusting the guy who took out the firing pin And there it is, another neanderlithic response from a 1980's dinosaur yes/no i challenge anyone to try it out id put all my money on it that you wouldnt get 50% to try it
What does that gibberish mean??
Anyway, I'm not in the habit of feeding trolls, so I'll leave you to your deranged rantings.
As others have said, good on GT for "coming out" and showing that it is a condition that can be managed effectively."managed like a drug addict manages there habit or a alcoholic manages is intake I'm all to help these people out but to say yeah it's ok he managing is meds not for me do I feel sorry for him no would I trust him or meds no but I do wish him well | |||
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"So.. That was a no then? Charming." To be honest, I feel it's a bit like lauding Jimi Savile as "brave" and "inspirational" for the charity work he did, and never mind the other stuff. A bit like, not exactly like. After reading this thread, I'm beginning to understand why a wife-beating ex-cricket player is being given a knighthood. | |||
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"There really is some complete and utter crap talked in here sometimes. Let’s say someone comes onto the forum and declares they are hiv+ and they have been on here for some time. Before you get all arsey, it’s happened. Are you all going to hero worship that person for being open and honest enough to tell us? Certainly not if the last person who did so is anything to go by. He was severely chastised and pilloried for being on here and still playing. Despite saying he was on meds and couldn’t pass it on. But hey, he wasn’t a famous rugby player, and as far as I know Gareth was never on fab either. It’s coming to something when a rugby player who is hiv+ Is lauded as a hero because he was forced to admit to picking up the ultimate sti from unprotected sex. I wonder if the list of people he had sex with and contacted when he found out, see him as the hero you lot think he is? Before reading this thread I only thought the world was going mad, now I know it is! " | |||
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"There really is some complete and utter crap talked in here sometimes. Let’s say someone comes onto the forum and declares they are hiv+ and they have been on here for some time. Before you get all arsey, it’s happened. Are you all going to hero worship that person for being open and honest enough to tell us? Certainly not if the last person who did so is anything to go by. He was severely chastised and pilloried for being on here and still playing. Despite saying he was on meds and couldn’t pass it on. But hey, he wasn’t a famous rugby player, and as far as I know Gareth was never on fab either. It’s coming to something when a rugby player who is hiv+ Is lauded as a hero because he was forced to admit to picking up the ultimate sti from unprotected sex. I wonder if the list of people he had sex with and contacted when he found out, see him as the hero you lot think he is? Before reading this thread I only thought the world was going mad, now I know it is! " Blind loyalty is a crazy thing | |||
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"So.. That was a no then? Charming.sorry i caused a shitstorm again " Stop talking then  | |||
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"So.. That was a no then? Charming.sorry i caused a shitstorm again Stop talking then "Forums would be boring as shit though! | |||
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"So.. That was a no then? Charming. To be honest, I feel it's a bit like lauding Jimi Savile as "brave" and "inspirational" for the charity work he did, and never mind the other stuff. A bit like, not exactly like. After reading this thread, I'm beginning to understand why a wife-beating ex-cricket player is being given a knighthood." So you're comparing a man, who in the heat of the moment, possibly with someone he trusted, removing his condom.. like many people on this site regularly do.. and catching HIV. To Jimmy Saville and a Domestic Abuser? If you'd paid attention at the start, you'd have noticed I said I'd listed him as a hero of mine a few days ago. The news hadn't broken when I'd written what I did before. So he was already a hero of mine. What I admire is his ability to speak from the heart. About rugby, about his passions, about his sexuality and now about this. The tears were visible, the pain was unbearable and humiliation he must have felt, unforgivable (on our part as a society) for making talking about things like HIV, mental health and sexuality. difficult. He's been careless, perhaps by being brave enough to face the camera. It'll inspire others to check themselves and their behaviour more regularly. He's no Jimmy Saville, that was a disgusting comparison, shame on you. | |||
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"So.. That was a no then? Charming. To be honest, I feel it's a bit like lauding Jimi Savile as "brave" and "inspirational" for the charity work he did, and never mind the other stuff. A bit like, not exactly like. After reading this thread, I'm beginning to understand why a wife-beating ex-cricket player is being given a knighthood. So you're comparing a man, who in the heat of the moment, possibly with someone he trusted, removing his condom.. like many people on this site regularly do.. and catching HIV. To Jimmy Saville and a Domestic Abuser? If you'd paid attention at the start, you'd have noticed I said I'd listed him as a hero of mine a few days ago. The news hadn't broken when I'd written what I did before. So he was already a hero of mine. What I admire is his ability to speak from the heart. About rugby, about his passions, about his sexuality and now about this. The tears were visible, the pain was unbearable and humiliation he must have felt, unforgivable (on our part as a society) for making talking about things like HIV, mental health and sexuality. difficult. He's been careless, perhaps by being brave enough to face the camera. It'll inspire others to check themselves and their behaviour more regularly. He's no Jimmy Saville, that was a disgusting comparison, shame on you." There's no shame on me my friend, only on those who hero-worship an advocate of unprotected sex. | |||
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"So.. That was a no then? Charming.sorry i caused a shitstorm again Stop talking then
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"So.. That was a no then? Charming. To be honest, I feel it's a bit like lauding Jimi Savile as "brave" and "inspirational" for the charity work he did, and never mind the other stuff. A bit like, not exactly like. After reading this thread, I'm beginning to understand why a wife-beating ex-cricket player is being given a knighthood. So you're comparing a man, who in the heat of the moment, possibly with someone he trusted, removing his condom.. like many people on this site regularly do.. and catching HIV. To Jimmy Saville and a Domestic Abuser? If you'd paid attention at the start, you'd have noticed I said I'd listed him as a hero of mine a few days ago. The news hadn't broken when I'd written what I did before. So he was already a hero of mine. What I admire is his ability to speak from the heart. About rugby, about his passions, about his sexuality and now about this. The tears were visible, the pain was unbearable and humiliation he must have felt, unforgivable (on our part as a society) for making talking about things like HIV, mental health and sexuality. difficult. He's been careless, perhaps by being brave enough to face the camera. It'll inspire others to check themselves and their behaviour more regularly. He's no Jimmy Saville, that was a disgusting comparison, shame on you. There's no shame on me my friend, only on those who hero-worship an advocate of unprotected sex." You're no friend of mine. | |||
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"So.. That was a no then? Charming. To be honest, I feel it's a bit like lauding Jimi Savile as "brave" and "inspirational" for the charity work he did, and never mind the other stuff. A bit like, not exactly like. After reading this thread, I'm beginning to understand why a wife-beating ex-cricket player is being given a knighthood. So you're comparing a man, who in the heat of the moment, possibly with someone he trusted, removing his condom.. like many people on this site regularly do.. and catching HIV. To Jimmy Saville and a Domestic Abuser? If you'd paid attention at the start, you'd have noticed I said I'd listed him as a hero of mine a few days ago. The news hadn't broken when I'd written what I did before. So he was already a hero of mine. What I admire is his ability to speak from the heart. About rugby, about his passions, about his sexuality and now about this. The tears were visible, the pain was unbearable and humiliation he must have felt, unforgivable (on our part as a society) for making talking about things like HIV, mental health and sexuality. difficult. He's been careless, perhaps by being brave enough to face the camera. It'll inspire others to check themselves and their behaviour more regularly. He's no Jimmy Saville, that was a disgusting comparison, shame on you. There's no shame on me my friend, only on those who hero-worship an advocate of unprotected sex." I don’t really think that’s what people are doing to be fair. He was a sporting hero to some before. Like I said earlier, I don’t really know him. If people are saying he’s a hero for the HIV thing and the speaking out then nah that’s just daft in my opinion but I think you’re misinterpreting a bit here. | |||
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"So.. That was a no then? Charming. To be honest, I feel it's a bit like lauding Jimi Savile as "brave" and "inspirational" for the charity work he did, and never mind the other stuff. A bit like, not exactly like. After reading this thread, I'm beginning to understand why a wife-beating ex-cricket player is being given a knighthood. So you're comparing a man, who in the heat of the moment, possibly with someone he trusted, removing his condom.. like many people on this site regularly do.. and catching HIV. To Jimmy Saville and a Domestic Abuser? If you'd paid attention at the start, you'd have noticed I said I'd listed him as a hero of mine a few days ago. The news hadn't broken when I'd written what I did before. So he was already a hero of mine. What I admire is his ability to speak from the heart. About rugby, about his passions, about his sexuality and now about this. The tears were visible, the pain was unbearable and humiliation he must have felt, unforgivable (on our part as a society) for making talking about things like HIV, mental health and sexuality. difficult. He's been careless, perhaps by being brave enough to face the camera. It'll inspire others to check themselves and their behaviour more regularly. He's no Jimmy Saville, that was a disgusting comparison, shame on you. There's no shame on me my friend, only on those who hero-worship an advocate of unprotected sex. I don’t really think that’s what people are doing to be fair. He was a sporting hero to some before. Like I said earlier, I don’t really know him. If people are saying he’s a hero for the HIV thing and the speaking out then nah that’s just daft in my opinion but I think you’re misinterpreting a bit here. " He only talked about because he was being bl@ckmailed. | |||
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"So.. That was a no then? Charming. To be honest, I feel it's a bit like lauding Jimi Savile as "brave" and "inspirational" for the charity work he did, and never mind the other stuff. A bit like, not exactly like. After reading this thread, I'm beginning to understand why a wife-beating ex-cricket player is being given a knighthood. So you're comparing a man, who in the heat of the moment, possibly with someone he trusted, removing his condom.. like many people on this site regularly do.. and catching HIV. To Jimmy Saville and a Domestic Abuser? If you'd paid attention at the start, you'd have noticed I said I'd listed him as a hero of mine a few days ago. The news hadn't broken when I'd written what I did before. So he was already a hero of mine. What I admire is his ability to speak from the heart. About rugby, about his passions, about his sexuality and now about this. The tears were visible, the pain was unbearable and humiliation he must have felt, unforgivable (on our part as a society) for making talking about things like HIV, mental health and sexuality. difficult. He's been careless, perhaps by being brave enough to face the camera. It'll inspire others to check themselves and their behaviour more regularly. He's no Jimmy Saville, that was a disgusting comparison, shame on you. There's no shame on me my friend, only on those who hero-worship an advocate of unprotected sex. I don’t really think that’s what people are doing to be fair. He was a sporting hero to some before. Like I said earlier, I don’t really know him. If people are saying he’s a hero for the HIV thing and the speaking out then nah that’s just daft in my opinion but I think you’re misinterpreting a bit here. He only talked about because he was being bl@ckmailed. " Yet others call him hero for getting out in front of it like any pr man would say to do | |||
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"So.. That was a no then? Charming. To be honest, I feel it's a bit like lauding Jimi Savile as "brave" and "inspirational" for the charity work he did, and never mind the other stuff. A bit like, not exactly like. After reading this thread, I'm beginning to understand why a wife-beating ex-cricket player is being given a knighthood. So you're comparing a man, who in the heat of the moment, possibly with someone he trusted, removing his condom.. like many people on this site regularly do.. and catching HIV. To Jimmy Saville and a Domestic Abuser? If you'd paid attention at the start, you'd have noticed I said I'd listed him as a hero of mine a few days ago. The news hadn't broken when I'd written what I did before. So he was already a hero of mine. What I admire is his ability to speak from the heart. About rugby, about his passions, about his sexuality and now about this. The tears were visible, the pain was unbearable and humiliation he must have felt, unforgivable (on our part as a society) for making talking about things like HIV, mental health and sexuality. difficult. He's been careless, perhaps by being brave enough to face the camera. It'll inspire others to check themselves and their behaviour more regularly. He's no Jimmy Saville, that was a disgusting comparison, shame on you. There's no shame on me my friend, only on those who hero-worship an advocate of unprotected sex. I don’t really think that’s what people are doing to be fair. He was a sporting hero to some before. Like I said earlier, I don’t really know him. If people are saying he’s a hero for the HIV thing and the speaking out then nah that’s just daft in my opinion but I think you’re misinterpreting a bit here. " People on here have extremely low standards as to what they think a hero is. As I said above - a wife-beating cricketer getting a knighthood seems to be about right for those people. | |||
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"So.. That was a no then? Charming. To be honest, I feel it's a bit like lauding Jimi Savile as "brave" and "inspirational" for the charity work he did, and never mind the other stuff. A bit like, not exactly like. After reading this thread, I'm beginning to understand why a wife-beating ex-cricket player is being given a knighthood. So you're comparing a man, who in the heat of the moment, possibly with someone he trusted, removing his condom.. like many people on this site regularly do.. and catching HIV. To Jimmy Saville and a Domestic Abuser? If you'd paid attention at the start, you'd have noticed I said I'd listed him as a hero of mine a few days ago. The news hadn't broken when I'd written what I did before. So he was already a hero of mine. What I admire is his ability to speak from the heart. About rugby, about his passions, about his sexuality and now about this. The tears were visible, the pain was unbearable and humiliation he must have felt, unforgivable (on our part as a society) for making talking about things like HIV, mental health and sexuality. difficult. He's been careless, perhaps by being brave enough to face the camera. It'll inspire others to check themselves and their behaviour more regularly. He's no Jimmy Saville, that was a disgusting comparison, shame on you. There's no shame on me my friend, only on those who hero-worship an advocate of unprotected sex. I don’t really think that’s what people are doing to be fair. He was a sporting hero to some before. Like I said earlier, I don’t really know him. If people are saying he’s a hero for the HIV thing and the speaking out then nah that’s just daft in my opinion but I think you’re misinterpreting a bit here. He only talked about because he was being bl@ckmailed. " Exactly! x | |||
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"So.. That was a no then? Charming. To be honest, I feel it's a bit like lauding Jimi Savile as "brave" and "inspirational" for the charity work he did, and never mind the other stuff. A bit like, not exactly like. After reading this thread, I'm beginning to understand why a wife-beating ex-cricket player is being given a knighthood. So you're comparing a man, who in the heat of the moment, possibly with someone he trusted, removing his condom.. like many people on this site regularly do.. and catching HIV. To Jimmy Saville and a Domestic Abuser? If you'd paid attention at the start, you'd have noticed I said I'd listed him as a hero of mine a few days ago. The news hadn't broken when I'd written what I did before. So he was already a hero of mine. What I admire is his ability to speak from the heart. About rugby, about his passions, about his sexuality and now about this. The tears were visible, the pain was unbearable and humiliation he must have felt, unforgivable (on our part as a society) for making talking about things like HIV, mental health and sexuality. difficult. He's been careless, perhaps by being brave enough to face the camera. It'll inspire others to check themselves and their behaviour more regularly. He's no Jimmy Saville, that was a disgusting comparison, shame on you. There's no shame on me my friend, only on those who hero-worship an advocate of unprotected sex. I don’t really think that’s what people are doing to be fair. He was a sporting hero to some before. Like I said earlier, I don’t really know him. If people are saying he’s a hero for the HIV thing and the speaking out then nah that’s just daft in my opinion but I think you’re misinterpreting a bit here. He only talked about because he was being bl@ckmailed. Yet others call him hero for getting out in front of it like any pr man would say to do" I dont think he is a hero because he came out as HIV+ I think he is hero for all the advocacy and good work he has done. I think him coming out about it is a good think as this thread clearly demonstrates that there is a lot of ignorant and misinformed people out there. | |||
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"So.. That was a no then? Charming.sorry i caused a shitstorm again Stop talking then "its ok i got called homophobic so im off to sulk in a corner | |||
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"So.. That was a no then? Charming. To be honest, I feel it's a bit like lauding Jimi Savile as "brave" and "inspirational" for the charity work he did, and never mind the other stuff. A bit like, not exactly like. After reading this thread, I'm beginning to understand why a wife-beating ex-cricket player is being given a knighthood. So you're comparing a man, who in the heat of the moment, possibly with someone he trusted, removing his condom.. like many people on this site regularly do.. and catching HIV. To Jimmy Saville and a Domestic Abuser? If you'd paid attention at the start, you'd have noticed I said I'd listed him as a hero of mine a few days ago. The news hadn't broken when I'd written what I did before. So he was already a hero of mine. What I admire is his ability to speak from the heart. About rugby, about his passions, about his sexuality and now about this. The tears were visible, the pain was unbearable and humiliation he must have felt, unforgivable (on our part as a society) for making talking about things like HIV, mental health and sexuality. difficult. He's been careless, perhaps by being brave enough to face the camera. It'll inspire others to check themselves and their behaviour more regularly. He's no Jimmy Saville, that was a disgusting comparison, shame on you. There's no shame on me my friend, only on those who hero-worship an advocate of unprotected sex. I don’t really think that’s what people are doing to be fair. He was a sporting hero to some before. Like I said earlier, I don’t really know him. If people are saying he’s a hero for the HIV thing and the speaking out then nah that’s just daft in my opinion but I think you’re misinterpreting a bit here. People on here have extremely low standards as to what they think a hero is. As I said above - a wife-beating cricketer getting a knighthood seems to be about right for those people. " Wife beating cricketer? In terms of Gareth Thomas - from what little I’ve seen of him playing and in how he’s handled recent events, he strikes me as a decent enough guy. Hero is pushing it , he’d probably be the first to agree with that. The comparison to Savile was either a deliberate wind up or just daft. | |||
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"So.. That was a no then? Charming. To be honest, I feel it's a bit like lauding Jimi Savile as "brave" and "inspirational" for the charity work he did, and never mind the other stuff. A bit like, not exactly like. After reading this thread, I'm beginning to understand why a wife-beating ex-cricket player is being given a knighthood. So you're comparing a man, who in the heat of the moment, possibly with someone he trusted, removing his condom.. like many people on this site regularly do.. and catching HIV. To Jimmy Saville and a Domestic Abuser? If you'd paid attention at the start, you'd have noticed I said I'd listed him as a hero of mine a few days ago. The news hadn't broken when I'd written what I did before. So he was already a hero of mine. What I admire is his ability to speak from the heart. About rugby, about his passions, about his sexuality and now about this. The tears were visible, the pain was unbearable and humiliation he must have felt, unforgivable (on our part as a society) for making talking about things like HIV, mental health and sexuality. difficult. He's been careless, perhaps by being brave enough to face the camera. It'll inspire others to check themselves and their behaviour more regularly. He's no Jimmy Saville, that was a disgusting comparison, shame on you. There's no shame on me my friend, only on those who hero-worship an advocate of unprotected sex. I don’t really think that’s what people are doing to be fair. He was a sporting hero to some before. Like I said earlier, I don’t really know him. If people are saying he’s a hero for the HIV thing and the speaking out then nah that’s just daft in my opinion but I think you’re misinterpreting a bit here. He only talked about because he was being bl@ckmailed. Yet others call him hero for getting out in front of it like any pr man would say to do I dont think he is a hero because he came out as HIV+ I think he is hero for all the advocacy and good work he has done. I think him coming out about it is a good think as this thread clearly demonstrates that there is a lot of ignorant and misinformed people out there. " but others will and as they said up there do | |||
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"So.. That was a no then? Charming.sorry i caused a shitstorm again Stop talking then its ok i got called homophobic so im off to sulk in a corner "I dont think you are, if that helps? | |||
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"I listed him as one of my heroes the other day. Then I heard the news. Then I saw his piece to camera, talking about HIV. Almost cried with him. Still a hero of mine No judgement from me pal.
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"So.. That was a no then? Charming. To be honest, I feel it's a bit like lauding Jimi Savile as "brave" and "inspirational" for the charity work he did, and never mind the other stuff. A bit like, not exactly like. After reading this thread, I'm beginning to understand why a wife-beating ex-cricket player is being given a knighthood. So you're comparing a man, who in the heat of the moment, possibly with someone he trusted, removing his condom.. like many people on this site regularly do.. and catching HIV. To Jimmy Saville and a Domestic Abuser? If you'd paid attention at the start, you'd have noticed I said I'd listed him as a hero of mine a few days ago. The news hadn't broken when I'd written what I did before. So he was already a hero of mine. What I admire is his ability to speak from the heart. About rugby, about his passions, about his sexuality and now about this. The tears were visible, the pain was unbearable and humiliation he must have felt, unforgivable (on our part as a society) for making talking about things like HIV, mental health and sexuality. difficult. He's been careless, perhaps by being brave enough to face the camera. It'll inspire others to check themselves and their behaviour more regularly. He's no Jimmy Saville, that was a disgusting comparison, shame on you. There's no shame on me my friend, only on those who hero-worship an advocate of unprotected sex. I don’t really think that’s what people are doing to be fair. He was a sporting hero to some before. Like I said earlier, I don’t really know him. If people are saying he’s a hero for the HIV thing and the speaking out then nah that’s just daft in my opinion but I think you’re misinterpreting a bit here. He only talked about because he was being bl@ckmailed. Yet others call him hero for getting out in front of it like any pr man would say to do I dont think he is a hero because he came out as HIV+ I think he is hero for all the advocacy and good work he has done. I think him coming out about it is a good think as this thread clearly demonstrates that there is a lot of ignorant and misinformed people out there. but others will and as they said up there do" Well then that's up to them. I think my sister is a hero but I dont expect anyone else to think that. My point is if he someone's personal hero then that's fine. I find some peoples attitude about HIV and the misinformation shocking though. | |||
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"So.. That was a no then? Charming. To be honest, I feel it's a bit like lauding Jimi Savile as "brave" and "inspirational" for the charity work he did, and never mind the other stuff. A bit like, not exactly like. After reading this thread, I'm beginning to understand why a wife-beating ex-cricket player is being given a knighthood. So you're comparing a man, who in the heat of the moment, possibly with someone he trusted, removing his condom.. like many people on this site regularly do.. and catching HIV. To Jimmy Saville and a Domestic Abuser? If you'd paid attention at the start, you'd have noticed I said I'd listed him as a hero of mine a few days ago. The news hadn't broken when I'd written what I did before. So he was already a hero of mine. What I admire is his ability to speak from the heart. About rugby, about his passions, about his sexuality and now about this. The tears were visible, the pain was unbearable and humiliation he must have felt, unforgivable (on our part as a society) for making talking about things like HIV, mental health and sexuality. difficult. He's been careless, perhaps by being brave enough to face the camera. It'll inspire others to check themselves and their behaviour more regularly. He's no Jimmy Saville, that was a disgusting comparison, shame on you. There's no shame on me my friend, only on those who hero-worship an advocate of unprotected sex. I don’t really think that’s what people are doing to be fair. He was a sporting hero to some before. Like I said earlier, I don’t really know him. If people are saying he’s a hero for the HIV thing and the speaking out then nah that’s just daft in my opinion but I think you’re misinterpreting a bit here. People on here have extremely low standards as to what they think a hero is. As I said above - a wife-beating cricketer getting a knighthood seems to be about right for those people. " It’s not low standards is different opinions to yours. To me a hero is like someone from the pride of Britain of awards for example. I’ve never looked on sports people/musicians etc as heroes personally. Legends maybe but not heroes. However some people do and there’s nothing wrong with that. You’re very personal with “those people” “morons” etc. (If it was you who said morons, can’t remember. Apologies if not). Rather childish really. | |||
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"So.. That was a no then? Charming. To be honest, I feel it's a bit like lauding Jimi Savile as "brave" and "inspirational" for the charity work he did, and never mind the other stuff. A bit like, not exactly like. After reading this thread, I'm beginning to understand why a wife-beating ex-cricket player is being given a knighthood. So you're comparing a man, who in the heat of the moment, possibly with someone he trusted, removing his condom.. like many people on this site regularly do.. and catching HIV. To Jimmy Saville and a Domestic Abuser? If you'd paid attention at the start, you'd have noticed I said I'd listed him as a hero of mine a few days ago. The news hadn't broken when I'd written what I did before. So he was already a hero of mine. What I admire is his ability to speak from the heart. About rugby, about his passions, about his sexuality and now about this. The tears were visible, the pain was unbearable and humiliation he must have felt, unforgivable (on our part as a society) for making talking about things like HIV, mental health and sexuality. difficult. He's been careless, perhaps by being brave enough to face the camera. It'll inspire others to check themselves and their behaviour more regularly. He's no Jimmy Saville, that was a disgusting comparison, shame on you. There's no shame on me my friend, only on those who hero-worship an advocate of unprotected sex. I don’t really think that’s what people are doing to be fair. He was a sporting hero to some before. Like I said earlier, I don’t really know him. If people are saying he’s a hero for the HIV thing and the speaking out then nah that’s just daft in my opinion but I think you’re misinterpreting a bit here. He only talked about because he was being bl@ckmailed. Yet others call him hero for getting out in front of it like any pr man would say to do I dont think he is a hero because he came out as HIV+ I think he is hero for all the advocacy and good work he has done. I think him coming out about it is a good think as this thread clearly demonstrates that there is a lot of ignorant and misinformed people out there. " | |||
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"So.. That was a no then? Charming. To be honest, I feel it's a bit like lauding Jimi Savile as "brave" and "inspirational" for the charity work he did, and never mind the other stuff. A bit like, not exactly like. After reading this thread, I'm beginning to understand why a wife-beating ex-cricket player is being given a knighthood. So you're comparing a man, who in the heat of the moment, possibly with someone he trusted, removing his condom.. like many people on this site regularly do.. and catching HIV. To Jimmy Saville and a Domestic Abuser? If you'd paid attention at the start, you'd have noticed I said I'd listed him as a hero of mine a few days ago. The news hadn't broken when I'd written what I did before. So he was already a hero of mine. What I admire is his ability to speak from the heart. About rugby, about his passions, about his sexuality and now about this. The tears were visible, the pain was unbearable and humiliation he must have felt, unforgivable (on our part as a society) for making talking about things like HIV, mental health and sexuality. difficult. He's been careless, perhaps by being brave enough to face the camera. It'll inspire others to check themselves and their behaviour more regularly. He's no Jimmy Saville, that was a disgusting comparison, shame on you. There's no shame on me my friend, only on those who hero-worship an advocate of unprotected sex. I don’t really think that’s what people are doing to be fair. He was a sporting hero to some before. Like I said earlier, I don’t really know him. If people are saying he’s a hero for the HIV thing and the speaking out then nah that’s just daft in my opinion but I think you’re misinterpreting a bit here. People on here have extremely low standards as to what they think a hero is. As I said above - a wife-beating cricketer getting a knighthood seems to be about right for those people. It’s not low standards is different opinions to yours. To me a hero is like someone from the pride of Britain of awards for example. I’ve never looked on sports people/musicians etc as heroes personally. Legends maybe but not heroes. However some people do and there’s nothing wrong with that. You’re very personal with “those people” “morons” etc. (If it was you who said morons, can’t remember. Apologies if not). Rather childish really. " Fair enough. A hero to me is somebody who saves lives, puts themselves in danger to protect others - that sort of thing, but I'm not from this part of the world. I've witnessed up close how HIV has devastated Africa, caused untold suffering and hardship, pain and misery and is still doing so. The heroes are the doctors and nurses who volunteer to treat these people, unselfishly. You very rarely see these genuine heroes giving paid-for interviews in the national press. | |||
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"So.. That was a no then? Charming. To be honest, I feel it's a bit like lauding Jimi Savile as "brave" and "inspirational" for the charity work he did, and never mind the other stuff. A bit like, not exactly like. After reading this thread, I'm beginning to understand why a wife-beating ex-cricket player is being given a knighthood. So you're comparing a man, who in the heat of the moment, possibly with someone he trusted, removing his condom.. like many people on this site regularly do.. and catching HIV. To Jimmy Saville and a Domestic Abuser? If you'd paid attention at the start, you'd have noticed I said I'd listed him as a hero of mine a few days ago. The news hadn't broken when I'd written what I did before. So he was already a hero of mine. What I admire is his ability to speak from the heart. About rugby, about his passions, about his sexuality and now about this. The tears were visible, the pain was unbearable and humiliation he must have felt, unforgivable (on our part as a society) for making talking about things like HIV, mental health and sexuality. difficult. He's been careless, perhaps by being brave enough to face the camera. It'll inspire others to check themselves and their behaviour more regularly. He's no Jimmy Saville, that was a disgusting comparison, shame on you. There's no shame on me my friend, only on those who hero-worship an advocate of unprotected sex. I don’t really think that’s what people are doing to be fair. He was a sporting hero to some before. Like I said earlier, I don’t really know him. If people are saying he’s a hero for the HIV thing and the speaking out then nah that’s just daft in my opinion but I think you’re misinterpreting a bit here. People on here have extremely low standards as to what they think a hero is. As I said above - a wife-beating cricketer getting a knighthood seems to be about right for those people. It’s not low standards is different opinions to yours. To me a hero is like someone from the pride of Britain of awards for example. I’ve never looked on sports people/musicians etc as heroes personally. Legends maybe but not heroes. However some people do and there’s nothing wrong with that. You’re very personal with “those people” “morons” etc. (If it was you who said morons, can’t remember. Apologies if not). Rather childish really. Fair enough. A hero to me is somebody who saves lives, puts themselves in danger to protect others - that sort of thing, but I'm not from this part of the world. I've witnessed up close how HIV has devastated Africa, caused untold suffering and hardship, pain and misery and is still doing so. The heroes are the doctors and nurses who volunteer to treat these people, unselfishly. You very rarely see these genuine heroes giving paid-for interviews in the national press. " Yes I agree. Those would be what i’d class as heroes | |||
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"And il add if he had it while playing rugby id actively seek to sue him if i were an opponent or team mate as much as i liked the guy rugbys dangerous enough without the added risk of hiv Sue him for what exactly?attempted mass murder maybe No. You need to prove intent for that. not hard to prove if he knew he had it Every time he took to the pitch, he intended killing people? Intentionally? Really? Charming coming from someone who was banned for attacking a refhmmmm crack in the gob or maybe change someones life forever yeah both are equal "Yours was deliberate - makes a difference when you talk about criminal charges | |||
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"So.. That was a no then? Charming. To be honest, I feel it's a bit like lauding Jimi Savile as "brave" and "inspirational" for the charity work he did, and never mind the other stuff. A bit like, not exactly like. After reading this thread, I'm beginning to understand why a wife-beating ex-cricket player is being given a knighthood. So you're comparing a man, who in the heat of the moment, possibly with someone he trusted, removing his condom.. like many people on this site regularly do.. and catching HIV. To Jimmy Saville and a Domestic Abuser? If you'd paid attention at the start, you'd have noticed I said I'd listed him as a hero of mine a few days ago. The news hadn't broken when I'd written what I did before. So he was already a hero of mine. What I admire is his ability to speak from the heart. About rugby, about his passions, about his sexuality and now about this. The tears were visible, the pain was unbearable and humiliation he must have felt, unforgivable (on our part as a society) for making talking about things like HIV, mental health and sexuality. difficult. He's been careless, perhaps by being brave enough to face the camera. It'll inspire others to check themselves and their behaviour more regularly. He's no Jimmy Saville, that was a disgusting comparison, shame on you. There's no shame on me my friend, only on those who hero-worship an advocate of unprotected sex. I don’t really think that’s what people are doing to be fair. He was a sporting hero to some before. Like I said earlier, I don’t really know him. If people are saying he’s a hero for the HIV thing and the speaking out then nah that’s just daft in my opinion but I think you’re misinterpreting a bit here. People on here have extremely low standards as to what they think a hero is. As I said above - a wife-beating cricketer getting a knighthood seems to be about right for those people. It’s not low standards is different opinions to yours. To me a hero is like someone from the pride of Britain of awards for example. I’ve never looked on sports people/musicians etc as heroes personally. Legends maybe but not heroes. However some people do and there’s nothing wrong with that. You’re very personal with “those people” “morons” etc. (If it was you who said morons, can’t remember. Apologies if not). Rather childish really. Fair enough. A hero to me is somebody who saves lives, puts themselves in danger to protect others - that sort of thing, but I'm not from this part of the world. I've witnessed up close how HIV has devastated Africa, caused untold suffering and hardship, pain and misery and is still doing so. The heroes are the doctors and nurses who volunteer to treat these people, unselfishly. You very rarely see these genuine heroes giving paid-for interviews in the national press. Yes I agree. Those would be what i’d class as heroes " Anyone would. People call me a hero for being in Iraq, which I think is bullshit. Only we tend not to treat those heroes.. medical professionals, carers, forces, fire, police with much regard. Given what we pay, the hours we expect them to work, things we expect them to do and then be accountable for. I'm not really from this country either, so seen the same shit in Africa, Asia, South America and Eastern Europe. Guess what, they celebrity worship on those continents as well and I bet Medicine sans frontier are number one on the Twitter list of very few of the people being treated by them. Sorry if one of my personal heroes isn't good enough for people, but guess what I give about it? | |||
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"And il add if he had it while playing rugby id actively seek to sue him if i were an opponent or team mate as much as i liked the guy rugbys dangerous enough without the added risk of hiv Sue him for what exactly?attempted mass murder maybe No. You need to prove intent for that. not hard to prove if he knew he had it Every time he took to the pitch, he intended killing people? Intentionally? Really? Charming coming from someone who was banned for attacking a refhmmmm crack in the gob or maybe change someones life forever yeah both are equal
Yours was deliberate - makes a difference when you talk about criminal charges "In England and Wales, you may be found guilty of reckless HIV transmission if all of the below apply: You had sex with someone who didn’t know you had HIV. You knew you had HIV at that time. You understood how HIV is transmitted. You had sex without a condom. You transmitted HIV to that person. In Scotland, the law is more strict. You can also be prosecuted for putting someone at risk without their prior knowledge or consent, even if transmission did not take place. illegal | |||
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"And il add if he had it while playing rugby id actively seek to sue him if i were an opponent or team mate as much as i liked the guy rugbys dangerous enough without the added risk of hiv Sue him for what exactly?attempted mass murder maybe No. You need to prove intent for that. not hard to prove if he knew he had it Every time he took to the pitch, he intended killing people? Intentionally? Really? Charming coming from someone who was banned for attacking a refhmmmm crack in the gob or maybe change someones life forever yeah both are equal
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In England and Wales, you may be found guilty of reckless HIV transmission if all of the below apply:
You had sex with someone who didn’t know you had HIV.
You knew you had HIV at that time.
You understood how HIV is transmitted.
You had sex without a condom.
You transmitted HIV to that person.
In Scotland, the law is more strict. You can also be prosecuted for putting someone at risk without their prior knowledge or consent, even if transmission did not take place.
illegal "If you know you have it, and deliberately put others at risk is the key part. If you are taking medication it is very unlikely you can pass it on. I think you need to have a read about that. | |||
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"And il add if he had it while playing rugby id actively seek to sue him if i were an opponent or team mate as much as i liked the guy rugbys dangerous enough without the added risk of hiv Sue him for what exactly?attempted mass murder maybe No. You need to prove intent for that. not hard to prove if he knew he had it Every time he took to the pitch, he intended killing people? Intentionally? Really? Charming coming from someone who was banned for attacking a refhmmmm crack in the gob or maybe change someones life forever yeah both are equal
Yours was deliberate - makes a difference when you talk about criminal charges
In England and Wales, you may be found guilty of reckless HIV transmission if all of the below apply:
You had sex with someone who didn’t know you had HIV.
You knew you had HIV at that time.
You understood how HIV is transmitted.
You had sex without a condom.
You transmitted HIV to that person.
In Scotland, the law is more strict. You can also be prosecuted for putting someone at risk without their prior knowledge or consent, even if transmission did not take place.
illegal "Congratulations on being able to Google. Slight issue though. You mentioned that if you'd played rugby with him and caught HIV, you'd sue. Unless 'rugby' was a euphemism for riding him into the middle of next week? | |||
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"I don't think he should have had to come out as gay or HIV+. His life, his business. " no he should have to walk around with a sigh saying I'm gay and HIV so we can throw rotten food at him | |||
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"And il add if he had it while playing rugby id actively seek to sue him if i were an opponent or team mate as much as i liked the guy rugbys dangerous enough without the added risk of hiv so what about on here ,seen as its a sex site the risk comes with the territory thats why people tend to have strong opinions on bb Its not summat you expect to catch making a tackle" Out if interest have there ever been any cases of HIV being transmitted in such a way? | |||
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"And il add if he had it while playing rugby id actively seek to sue him if i were an opponent or team mate as much as i liked the guy rugbys dangerous enough without the added risk of hiv so what about on here ,seen as its a sex site the risk comes with the territory thats why people tend to have strong opinions on bb Its not summat you expect to catch making a tackle Out if interest have there ever been any cases of HIV being transmitted in such a way?" Doubt it Needs to be a lot of blood | |||
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"And il add if he had it while playing rugby id actively seek to sue him if i were an opponent or team mate as much as i liked the guy rugbys dangerous enough without the added risk of hiv Sue him for what exactly?attempted mass murder maybe No. You need to prove intent for that. not hard to prove if he knew he had it Every time he took to the pitch, he intended killing people? Intentionally? Really? Charming coming from someone who was banned for attacking a refhmmmm crack in the gob or maybe change someones life forever yeah both are equal
Yours was deliberate - makes a difference when you talk about criminal charges
In England and Wales, you may be found guilty of reckless HIV transmission if all of the below apply:
You had sex with someone who didn’t know you had HIV.
You knew you had HIV at that time.
You understood how HIV is transmitted.
You had sex without a condom.
You transmitted HIV to that person.
In Scotland, the law is more strict. You can also be prosecuted for putting someone at risk without their prior knowledge or consent, even if transmission did not take place.
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Congratulations on being able to Google. Slight issue though. You mentioned that if you'd played rugby with him and caught HIV, you'd sue.
Unless 'rugby' was a euphemism for riding him into the middle of next week?"bottom point if you transmit hiv dont mention sex | |||
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"And il add if he had it while playing rugby id actively seek to sue him if i were an opponent or team mate as much as i liked the guy rugbys dangerous enough without the added risk of hiv so what about on here ,seen as its a sex site the risk comes with the territory thats why people tend to have strong opinions on bb Its not summat you expect to catch making a tackle Out if interest have there ever been any cases of HIV being transmitted in such a way?" Only takes 1 | |||
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"And il add if he had it while playing rugby id actively seek to sue him if i were an opponent or team mate as much as i liked the guy rugbys dangerous enough without the added risk of hiv Sue him for what exactly?attempted mass murder maybe No. You need to prove intent for that. not hard to prove if he knew he had it Every time he took to the pitch, he intended killing people? Intentionally? Really? Charming coming from someone who was banned for attacking a refhmmmm crack in the gob or maybe change someones life forever yeah both are equal
Yours was deliberate - makes a difference when you talk about criminal charges
In England and Wales, you may be found guilty of reckless HIV transmission if all of the below apply:
You had sex with someone who didn’t know you had HIV.
You knew you had HIV at that time.
You understood how HIV is transmitted.
You had sex without a condom.
You transmitted HIV to that person.
In Scotland, the law is more strict. You can also be prosecuted for putting someone at risk without their prior knowledge or consent, even if transmission did not take place.
illegal
Congratulations on being able to Google. Slight issue though. You mentioned that if you'd played rugby with him and caught HIV, you'd sue.
Unless 'rugby' was a euphemism for riding him into the middle of next week?bottom point if you transmit hiv dont mention sex "They work in sequence and the sequence includes sex | |||
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"And il add if he had it while playing rugby id actively seek to sue him if i were an opponent or team mate as much as i liked the guy rugbys dangerous enough without the added risk of hiv Sue him for what exactly?attempted mass murder maybe No. You need to prove intent for that. not hard to prove if he knew he had it Every time he took to the pitch, he intended killing people? Intentionally? Really? Charming coming from someone who was banned for attacking a refhmmmm crack in the gob or maybe change someones life forever yeah both are equal
Yours was deliberate - makes a difference when you talk about criminal charges
In England and Wales, you may be found guilty of reckless HIV transmission if all of the below apply:
You had sex with someone who didn’t know you had HIV.
You knew you had HIV at that time.
You understood how HIV is transmitted.
You had sex without a condom.
You transmitted HIV to that person.
In Scotland, the law is more strict. You can also be prosecuted for putting someone at risk without their prior knowledge or consent, even if transmission did not take place.
illegal
Congratulations on being able to Google. Slight issue though. You mentioned that if you'd played rugby with him and caught HIV, you'd sue.
Unless 'rugby' was a euphemism for riding him into the middle of next week?bottom point if you transmit hiv dont mention sex
They work in sequence and the sequence includes sex "thats as everything open to how you read it there bulletpoints on the site | |||
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"And il add if he had it while playing rugby id actively seek to sue him if i were an opponent or team mate as much as i liked the guy rugbys dangerous enough without the added risk of hiv so what about on here ,seen as its a sex site the risk comes with the territory thats why people tend to have strong opinions on bb Its not summat you expect to catch making a tackle Out if interest have there ever been any cases of HIV being transmitted in such a way? Only takes 1" It’s not that strong a virus once outside the body | |||
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"I don't think he should have had to come out as gay or HIV+. His life, his business. " He didn’t have to, he chose to.. along with choosing a video to announce it and a documentary to announce it.. but yet it’s no big deal??? | |||
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"I don't think he should have had to come out as gay or HIV+. His life, his business. He didn’t have to, he chose to.. along with choosing a video to announce it and a documentary to announce it.. but yet it’s no big deal??? "He was being bl***mailed so yes he did have to as he wanted to take back control. | |||
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"I don't think he should have had to come out as gay or HIV+. His life, his business. He didn’t have to, he chose to.. along with choosing a video to announce it and a documentary to announce it.. but yet it’s no big deal???
He was being bl***mailed so yes he did have to as he wanted to take back control. "So he still chose to | |||
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"I don't think he should have had to come out as gay or HIV+. His life, his business. He didn’t have to, he chose to.. along with choosing a video to announce it and a documentary to announce it.. but yet it’s no big deal???
He was being bl***mailed so yes he did have to as he wanted to take back control.
So he still chose to "And why shouldn't he. And actually I was not a free choice! | |||
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"I don't think he should have had to come out as gay or HIV+. His life, his business. He didn’t have to, he chose to.. along with choosing a video to announce it and a documentary to announce it.. but yet it’s no big deal???
He was being bl***mailed so yes he did have to as he wanted to take back control.
So he still chose to
And why shouldn't he. And actually I was not a free choice!"Well that’s it exactly, the ones here that’s saying it’s not a big deal anymore is the very ones making a big deal about it.. He’s saying the same but yet choosing a video and documentary about it to announce it, just to say it’s not a big deal.. | |||
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"I don't think he should have had to come out as gay or HIV+. His life, his business. He didn’t have to, he chose to.. along with choosing a video to announce it and a documentary to announce it.. but yet it’s no big deal???
He was being bl***mailed so yes he did have to as he wanted to take back control.
So he still chose to
And why shouldn't he. And actually I was not a free choice!
Well that’s it exactly, the ones here that’s saying it’s not a big deal anymore is the very ones making a big deal about it..
He’s saying the same but yet choosing a video and documentary about it to announce it, just to say it’s not a big deal.. "Because it is a big deal. This thread and some of the ignorance and misinformation proves that. | |||
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"I don't think he should have had to come out as gay or HIV+. His life, his business. He didn’t have to, he chose to.. along with choosing a video to announce it and a documentary to announce it.. but yet it’s no big deal???
He was being bl***mailed so yes he did have to as he wanted to take back control.
So he still chose to
And why shouldn't he. And actually I was not a free choice!
Well that’s it exactly, the ones here that’s saying it’s not a big deal anymore is the very ones making a big deal about it..
He’s saying the same but yet choosing a video and documentary about it to announce it, just to say it’s not a big deal..
Because it is a big deal. This thread and some of the ignorance and misinformation proves that. "Well maybe you should tell him and everyone here that’s saying it’s not a big deal that it is then instead of me.. | |||
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"And il add if he had it while playing rugby id actively seek to sue him if i were an opponent or team mate as much as i liked the guy rugbys dangerous enough without the added risk of hiv Sue him for what exactly?attempted mass murder maybe No. You need to prove intent for that. not hard to prove if he knew he had it Every time he took to the pitch, he intended killing people? Intentionally? Really? Charming coming from someone who was banned for attacking a refhmmmm crack in the gob or maybe change someones life forever yeah both are equal
Yours was deliberate - makes a difference when you talk about criminal charges
In England and Wales, you may be found guilty of reckless HIV transmission if all of the below apply:
You had sex with someone who didn’t know you had HIV.
You knew you had HIV at that time.
You understood how HIV is transmitted.
You had sex without a condom.
You transmitted HIV to that person.
In Scotland, the law is more strict. You can also be prosecuted for putting someone at risk without their prior knowledge or consent, even if transmission did not take place.
illegal
Congratulations on being able to Google. Slight issue though. You mentioned that if you'd played rugby with him and caught HIV, you'd sue.
Unless 'rugby' was a euphemism for riding him into the middle of next week?bottom point if you transmit hiv dont mention sex
They work in sequence and the sequence includes sex thats as everything open to how you read it there bulletpoints on the site "Try again - read your own argument first though "In England and Wales, you may be found guilty of reckless HIV transmission if all of the below apply" Note the word 'all'? It means all of those points need to apply not that you can pick and choose | |||
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"I don't think he should have had to come out as gay or HIV+. His life, his business. He didn’t have to, he chose to.. along with choosing a video to announce it and a documentary to announce it.. but yet it’s no big deal???
He was being bl***mailed so yes he did have to as he wanted to take back control.
So he still chose to
And why shouldn't he. And actually I was not a free choice!
Well that’s it exactly, the ones here that’s saying it’s not a big deal anymore is the very ones making a big deal about it..
He’s saying the same but yet choosing a video and documentary about it to announce it, just to say it’s not a big deal..
Because it is a big deal. This thread and some of the ignorance and misinformation proves that.
Well maybe you should tell him and everyone here that’s saying it’s not a big deal that it is then instead of me.. "If you had read the whole thread you would know it's already been said. I'm not sure why you always make thinks personal! | |||
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"I don't think he should have had to come out as gay or HIV+. His life, his business. He didn’t have to, he chose to.. along with choosing a video to announce it and a documentary to announce it.. but yet it’s no big deal???
He was being bl***mailed so yes he did have to as he wanted to take back control.
So he still chose to
And why shouldn't he. And actually I was not a free choice!
Well that’s it exactly, the ones here that’s saying it’s not a big deal anymore is the very ones making a big deal about it..
He’s saying the same but yet choosing a video and documentary about it to announce it, just to say it’s not a big deal..
Because it is a big deal. This thread and some of the ignorance and misinformation proves that.
Well maybe you should tell him and everyone here that’s saying it’s not a big deal that it is then instead of me..
If you had read the whole thread you would know it's already been said. I'm not sure why you always make thinks personal!"Because a reply to someone’s post is personal.. | |||
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"And il add if he had it while playing rugby id actively seek to sue him if i were an opponent or team mate as much as i liked the guy rugbys dangerous enough without the added risk of hiv so what about on here ,seen as its a sex site the risk comes with the territory thats why people tend to have strong opinions on bb Its not summat you expect to catch making a tackle Out if interest have there ever been any cases of HIV being transmitted in such a way? Only takes 1" There's actually a ridiculously small chance of contracting HIV by an external open wound contact with similar. HIV is an extremely weak virus - exposure to air will kill the virus very quickly. Simply put, if one drop of HIV infected blood fell 1 foot, the virus would be dead when the droplet hit the ground. With an external open wound, the heart continues to pump blood out of the wound, there would be no absorption. Even with oral sex, normal, healthy saliva is acidic enough to kill the virus. The 3 most dangerous methods are all where little or no oxygen is present. Unprotected vaginal and anal sex and sharing a needle with contaminated blood residue present. | |||
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"There really is some complete and utter crap talked in here sometimes. Let’s say someone comes onto the forum and declares they are hiv+ and they have been on here for some time. Before you get all arsey, it’s happened. Are you all going to hero worship that person for being open and honest enough to tell us? Certainly not if the last person who did so is anything to go by. He was severely chastised and pilloried for being on here and still playing. Despite saying he was on meds and couldn’t pass it on. But hey, he wasn’t a famous rugby player, and as far as I know Gareth was never on fab either. It’s coming to something when a rugby player who is hiv+ Is lauded as a hero because he was forced to admit to picking up the ultimate sti from unprotected sex. I wonder if the list of people he had sex with and contacted when he found out, see him as the hero you lot think he is? Before reading this thread I only thought the world was going mad, now I know it is! " well done for highlighting the hypocrisy. I wish GT well, but I don't think we will hear the end of this and we hear rumours he was a regular on fabguys and in the gay sauna scene. I am a regular in the gay saunas and if I was to come out +, the response would be very hostile on here. | |||
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"He announced the news as he was being black mailed. Then later on he went and did the Tenby Ironman. He's a hero of ours over here and that was before he announced he was gay and further on he has HIV. He's an inspirational chap that's for sure" think it was The Sun that was black mailing him | |||
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"There really is some complete and utter crap talked in here sometimes. Let’s say someone comes onto the forum and declares they are hiv+ and they have been on here for some time. Before you get all arsey, it’s happened. Are you all going to hero worship that person for being open and honest enough to tell us? Certainly not if the last person who did so is anything to go by. He was severely chastised and pilloried for being on here and still playing. Despite saying he was on meds and couldn’t pass it on. But hey, he wasn’t a famous rugby player, and as far as I know Gareth was never on fab either. It’s coming to something when a rugby player who is hiv+ Is lauded as a hero because he was forced to admit to picking up the ultimate sti from unprotected sex. I wonder if the list of people he had sex with and contacted when he found out, see him as the hero you lot think he is? Before reading this thread I only thought the world was going mad, now I know it is! well done for highlighting the hypocrisy. I wish GT well, but I don't think we will hear the end of this and we hear rumours he was a regular on fabguys and in the gay sauna scene. I am a regular in the gay saunas and if I was to come out +, the response would be very hostile on here." If you was to come out as positive the chances are very limited you would have the press hounding you and every ex partner going to the papers too, the positive vibe people feel is due to him being a nice guy, great sportsman and people that think highly of him for his honesty about his life. So people will not generally be so hostile, but an unknown person on the internet will see people’s views quite differently I totally agree | |||
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"I don't think he should have had to come out as gay or HIV+. His life, his business. He didn’t have to, he chose to.. along with choosing a video to announce it and a documentary to announce it.. but yet it’s no big deal??? "The alternative was to leave it to the Sun newspaper to tell the world, in a way that was not in his control. He had no choice, really. | |||
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"I don't think he should have had to come out as gay or HIV+. His life, his business. He didn’t have to, he chose to.. along with choosing a video to announce it and a documentary to announce it.. but yet it’s no big deal???
The alternative was to leave it to the Sun newspaper to tell the world, in a way that was not in his control. He had no choice, really."So it is the big deal that a few here are saying it is? | |||
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"He announced the news as he was being black mailed. Then later on he went and did the Tenby Ironman. He's a hero of ours over here and that was before he announced he was gay and further on he has HIV. He's an inspirational chap that's for sure think it was The Sun that was black mailing him " I'd be confident that it was them too. | |||
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"So to be a gay male and marry a girl and decieve your wife when you are gay gives you hero status and having gay encounters on the side ? Really ? And yes I like him as a rugby player .. " know your audience dude lol the cheating bit is customary its how fab straight was invented | |||
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"So to be a gay male and marry a girl and decieve your wife when you are gay gives you hero status and having gay encounters on the side ? Really ? And yes I like him as a rugby player .. know your audience dude lol the cheating bit is customary its how fab straight was invented "Can you imagine the hurt to his wife?.. | |||
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"So to be a gay male and marry a girl and decieve your wife when you are gay gives you hero status and having gay encounters on the side ? Really ? And yes I like him as a rugby player .. know your audience dude lol the cheating bit is customary its how fab straight was invented
Can you imagine the hurt to his wife?..
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"Compassion ?" nup not my concern im not affected nor is any of my friends by him as far as i know | |||
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"He cheated on his wife... Not my role model " ok u said that | |||
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"He cheated on his wife... Not my role model " A sports star cheating on his wife ....whatever next!!  | |||
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"Hopefully some of you will watch his documentary and maybe educate yourselves.. "not all that bothered i got too much on to watch dulcumentarys this week | |||
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"He cheated on his wife... Not my role model A sports star cheating on his wife ....whatever next!! "Cheating is cheating.. Despicable | |||
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"He cheated on his wife... Not my role model A sports star cheating on his wife ....whatever next!!
Cheating is cheating..
Despicable "careful up there you saw what happened to superman | |||
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"He announced the news as he was being black mailed. Then later on he went and did the Tenby Ironman. He's a hero of ours over here and that was before he announced he was gay and further on he has HIV. He's an inspirational chap that's for sure What a cunty thing to do to another human being eh?" Yeh that's horrid....we live in a horrible world.... | |||
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"He cheated on his wife... Not my role model A sports star cheating on his wife ....whatever next!!
Cheating is cheating..
Despicable careful up there you saw what happened to superman " | |||
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"He lucky he isnt from northern ireland " What would happen there ? | |||
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"He lucky he isnt from northern ireland What would happen there ?" We won’t find out on this thread | |||
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"He cheated on his wife... Not my role model A sports star cheating on his wife ....whatever next!!
Cheating is cheating..
Despicable "Marrying a woman who loves you whilst lying about your sexuality, having affairs behind her back and having unprotected sex in a time when there's all sorts of information cautioning not to do this are all forgivable, heroic and inspirational if you play a ballgame on television for a living
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