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Transgender schoolchildren

By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

According to a draft document from the Equality and Human Rights Commission, "Girls' rights are IGNORED so that transgender pupils are free to use whichever school toilet they want, equality watchdog report suggests.

Girls uncomfortable with this will then be advised to use a private changing room." The Commission states that pupils who identify as a different gender should be allowed to use changing rooms of their choice at schools. My view is that this ignores the rights of all genders and where possible, separate changing rooms should be provided for transgender kids. I also get the feeling from 21st century UK that if somehow the rights of just the boys were being ignored, nobody would care. What's your view?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I shan’t give my view on fab. But I am bookmarking as interested to see the responses.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We are borg gender doesnt exist to us

first person to tell any of my kids there not boys will find themselves doing the chicken dance before doing star fish on the pavement

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"According to a draft document from the Equality and Human Rights Commission, "Girls' rights are IGNORED so that transgender pupils are free to use whichever school toilet they want, equality watchdog report suggests.

Can you post a link to the document please?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

And for that matter if my kids come to me with that nonsense they will get a clip round the ear too

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Can you post a link to the document please? "

It's only a news story I read - not sure where the document is to be found.

This is one of the online stories, there are a few.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/girls-must-bow-to-trans-rights-in-new-rules-for-schools-xxs8t5mn5

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I shan’t give my view on fab. But I am bookmarking as interested to see the responses. "

Please do, you should not have to hide your honest views.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

And i thought jamie oliver was a menace

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I shan’t give my view on fab. But I am bookmarking as interested to see the responses.

Please do, you should not have to hide your honest views."

Oh I don’t. I just don’t get involved in serious threads anymore. It’s for the best. And it’s my New Years resolution

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I shan’t give my view on fab. But I am bookmarking as interested to see the responses.

Please do, you should not have to hide your honest views.

Oh I don’t. I just don’t get involved in serious threads anymore. It’s for the best. And it’s my New Years resolution

"
chicken

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I shan’t give my view on fab. But I am bookmarking as interested to see the responses.

Please do, you should not have to hide your honest views.

Oh I don’t. I just don’t get involved in serious threads anymore. It’s for the best. And it’s my New Years resolution

Wow, and it's still going in September, I'm impressed. Mine usually last less than a nanosecond

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By *ocodoughnutgirlWoman over a year ago

Sea of jelly and doughnuts

"I shan’t give my view on fab. But I am bookmarking as interested to see the responses.

Please do, you should not have to hide your honest views.

Oh I don’t. I just don’t get involved in serious threads anymore. It’s for the best. And it’s my New Years resolution

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I shan’t give my view on fab. But I am bookmarking as interested to see the responses.

Please do, you should not have to hide your honest views.

Oh I don’t. I just don’t get involved in serious threads anymore. It’s for the best. And it’s my New Years resolution

Wow, and it's still going in September, I'm impressed. Mine usually last less than a nanosecond

I’ve had a few little blips but I’m doing well!!! Not been on the naughty step this year either!

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS over a year ago

Stockport

Can you post a link to the document please?

It's only a news story I read - not sure where the document is to be found.

This is one of the online stories, there are a few.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/girls-must-bow-to-trans-rights-in-new-rules-for-schools-xxs8t5mn5"

Any article promoting transphobia in the pages of The Times is almost certainly a load of word twisting bullshit. The owner of that newspaper has been one of the prime movers in stirring up trans hatred over the last several years. Media needs someone to use as scapegoats, trans people are one of the last groups that they can do this to without general outrage.

All that transgender kids want is to be able to have a piss while at school with some level of dignity. No transgirl or transboy has the slightest interest in spying on other kids. In fact they are the ones that get spied on, insulted, bullied, even sexually assaulted at a far higher rate than any others. Over 50% of transkids attempt suicide, too many of them succeed. Just let them go for a piss for god's sake!

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Can you post a link to the document please?

It's only a news story I read - not sure where the document is to be found.

This is one of the online stories, there are a few.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/girls-must-bow-to-trans-rights-in-new-rules-for-schools-xxs8t5mn5"

Thanks for the link fella. I shall do some digging. I smell a rat...

I'll post what I find.

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By *octor DeleriumMan over a year ago

Wellingborough

It's a draft proposal, for Scotland, that was meant to be published in 2010, and was leaked last month to The Telegraph:

Trans pupils: guidance for schools in Scotland on the Equality Act 2010 - Confidential DRAFT -

There's nothing on the EHRC website regarding publication or implementation, so it looks as if this is media playing catch-up and attempting to sell more newspapers and web advertising on the back of the headline.

I don't expect to see this anytime soon, not least on the cost implications.

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By *abs..Woman over a year ago

Whether it happens or not schools are already being advised to have their policies in place for these situations.

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By *rightonsteveMan over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"And for that matter if my kids come to me with that nonsense they will get a clip round the ear too"

Whereas my kids can be whatever gender they want to be. Although so far they’ve all stayed with their birth gender.

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By *rightonsteveMan over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

The toilets at my kids secondary school were gender neutral. All stalls and just ‘the toilets’. When I was at school we only ran into the girls toilets as a dare.

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By *alandNitaCouple over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"The toilets at my kids secondary school were gender neutral. All stalls and just ‘the toilets’. When I was at school we only ran into the girls toilets as a dare. "

I think that Gender Neutral toilets are the way forward, many New Build schools have Open-Plan toilets where the only privacy is within the cubical. This stops bullying & smoking in the toilets.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

My dog had a wee near the ladies toilets..I wonder if he/she is trying to tell me something !

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

There is a all girls school in Bristol that has a transgender child in Yr 7.

The child hasnt even gone through any changes yet and wont untill after puberty.

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By *uenevereWoman over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"And for that matter if my kids come to me with that nonsense they will get a clip round the ear too"

I hope that was said tongue in cheek.

My trans son is so much happier now that he is on the path to where he wants to be.

Surely as a parent you want your children to be happy?

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By *uenevereWoman over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"The toilets at my kids secondary school were gender neutral. All stalls and just ‘the toilets’. When I was at school we only ran into the girls toilets as a dare.

I think that Gender Neutral toilets are the way forward, many New Build schools have Open-Plan toilets where the only privacy is within the cubical. This stops bullying & smoking in the toilets."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I shan’t give my view on fab. But I am bookmarking as interested to see the responses.

Please do, you should not have to hide your honest views.

Oh I don’t. I just don’t get involved in serious threads anymore. It’s for the best. And it’s my New Years resolution

It’s my last month resolution haha

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I shan’t give my view on fab. But I am bookmarking as interested to see the responses.

Please do, you should not have to hide your honest views.

Oh I don’t. I just don’t get involved in serious threads anymore. It’s for the best. And it’s my New Years resolution

It’s my last month resolution haha "

Good luck. It’s not easy!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And for that matter if my kids come to me with that nonsense they will get a clip round the ear too

I hope that was said tongue in cheek.

My trans son is so much happier now that he is on the path to where he wants to be.

Surely as a parent you want your children to be happy?"

I’m glad you’re their parent with understanding and acceptance.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And for that matter if my kids come to me with that nonsense they will get a clip round the ear too

I hope that was said tongue in cheek.

My trans son is so much happier now that he is on the path to where he wants to be.

Surely as a parent you want your children to be happy?"

No tongues no until my kids are 18 they are my responsibility so they will live how i decide if i was to have given them full control of there lives they would be blimp sized living there lives sat in front of a tablet 24 7

Until then they will be brought up the same way i was to be a man

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The toilets at my kids secondary school were gender neutral. All stalls and just ‘the toilets’. When I was at school we only ran into the girls toilets as a dare.

I think that Gender Neutral toilets are the way forward, many New Build schools have Open-Plan toilets where the only privacy is within the cubical. This stops bullying & smoking in the toilets."
kids will be getting a bj per day if its awt like my old school

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By *isaAndNicoleTransTV/TS over a year ago

Southport / Ellesmere Port

Just bookmarking

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And for that matter if my kids come to me with that nonsense they will get a clip round the ear too

I hope that was said tongue in cheek.

My trans son is so much happier now that he is on the path to where he wants to be.

Surely as a parent you want your children to be happy?

Until then they will be brought up the same way i was to be a man

I’m having to hold my tongue here!!! Grrrr

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And for that matter if my kids come to me with that nonsense they will get a clip round the ear too

I hope that was said tongue in cheek.

My trans son is so much happier now that he is on the path to where he wants to be.

Surely as a parent you want your children to be happy?

Until then they will be brought up the same way i was to be a man

I’m having to hold my tongue here!!! Grrrr"
muhahahahaha come at me bro

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By *uxom redCouple over a year ago

Shrewsbury

We have and have had transgender children in our school, they use the staff toilets.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And for that matter if my kids come to me with that nonsense they will get a clip round the ear too

I hope that was said tongue in cheek.

My trans son is so much happier now that he is on the path to where he wants to be.

Surely as a parent you want your children to be happy?

Until then they will be brought up the same way i was to be a man

I’m having to hold my tongue here!!! Grrrrmuhahahahaha come at me bro

"
i win again by default

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By *oyingirlsclothesTV/TS over a year ago

swansea

Bookmarked.

Some interesting views expressed, some edge on a little disturbing though.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

A boy is a boy a girl is a girl simple as that, the government is trying push this p.c bull#### on all levels.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We have and have had transgender children in our school, they use the staff toilets. "

I’ve had just one experience of this when I was child protection officer in a school. Lovely lad, decided he wanted to be female at 14, unsure how far down the line they got, at 16 he changed his mind. By 18 he was in a mental institution. By 20 he’d hung himself. Very sad.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Bookmarked.

Some interesting views expressed, some edge on a little disturbing though. "

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By *entleman_spyMan over a year ago

nearby

There needs to be more investment in the psychological side of all this. I have witnessed first hand how seeking decent psychological help provided a cure and led to a much better life to all involved.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I support trans people. That's all.

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By *opsy RogersWoman over a year ago

London

"A boy is a boy a girl is a girl simple as that, the government is trying push this p.c bull#### on all levels. "

It’s shocking ignorance like yours that drive people to kill themselves.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A boy is a boy a girl is a girl simple as that, the government is trying push this p.c bull#### on all levels.

It’s shocking ignorance like yours that drive people to kill themselves. "
overkill if ever i saw it there

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By *opsy RogersWoman over a year ago

London

"A boy is a boy a girl is a girl simple as that, the government is trying push this p.c bull#### on all levels.

It’s shocking ignorance like yours that drive people to kill themselves. overkill if ever i saw it there"

Why not actually find out about gender identity dysmorphia and come back with a reasoned argument.

Heads up: you won’t find the info in The Sun or the Daily Fail.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Personally I think disabled loos should be doubled up as transgender loos/ changing. For all the use, relatively speaking, they’ll get. They’re individual spaces that are safe for the user and also addresses the safety concern of Male/ female toilet users in those spaces. It’s a very quick and easy fix that doesn’t cost business and local authority any more money and utilises to the fullest, spaces which are less used.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A boy is a boy a girl is a girl simple as that, the government is trying push this p.c bull#### on all levels.

It’s shocking ignorance like yours that drive people to kill themselves. "

Agreed.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A boy is a boy a girl is a girl simple as that, the government is trying push this p.c bull#### on all levels.

It’s shocking ignorance like yours that drive people to kill themselves. overkill if ever i saw it there

Why not actually find out about gender identity dysmorphia and come back with a reasoned argument.

Heads up: you won’t find the info in The Sun or the Daily Fail. "

i dont read papers lol

I dont need a reason to argue lol

Everywhere you look theres a so called expert telling folks what to do

Of people want to do silly things no amount of acceptance will stop them

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Transgender dysphoria blues

https://youtu.be/dq_va3wNfFo

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Transgender dysphoria blues

https://youtu.be/dq_va3wNfFo"
its catchy

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And for that matter if my kids come to me with that nonsense they will get a clip round the ear too

I hope that was said tongue in cheek.

My trans son is so much happier now that he is on the path to where he wants to be.

Surely as a parent you want your children to be happy?

Until then they will be brought up the same way i was to be a man

I’m having to hold my tongue here!!! Grrrrmuhahahahaha come at me bro

i win again by default

Nah, when you educate yourself on the matter then it will be an even discussion.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And for that matter if my kids come to me with that nonsense they will get a clip round the ear too

I hope that was said tongue in cheek.

My trans son is so much happier now that he is on the path to where he wants to be.

Surely as a parent you want your children to be happy?

Until then they will be brought up the same way i was to be a man

I’m having to hold my tongue here!!! Grrrrmuhahahahaha come at me bro

i win again by default

Nah, when you educate yourself on the matter then it will be an even discussion. "
i did its called history man/woman

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And for that matter if my kids come to me with that nonsense they will get a clip round the ear too

I hope that was said tongue in cheek.

My trans son is so much happier now that he is on the path to where he wants to be.

Surely as a parent you want your children to be happy?

Until then they will be brought up the same way i was to be a man

I’m having to hold my tongue here!!! Grrrrmuhahahahaha come at me bro

i win again by default

Nah, when you educate yourself on the matter then it will be an even discussion. i did its called history man/woman

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And for that matter if my kids come to me with that nonsense they will get a clip round the ear too

I hope that was said tongue in cheek.

My trans son is so much happier now that he is on the path to where he wants to be.

Surely as a parent you want your children to be happy?"

This shows wonderful parenting and that you put their needs before your own. I’m glad he is happy and where he wants to be. Happiness is all we really want for each other.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A boy is a boy a girl is a girl simple as that, the government is trying push this p.c bull#### on all levels. "

Only it isn’t that simple for transgender people. There is a significant structural difference between the mind of both men and women.

In transgender people, a woman who identifies as a man, has overlapping structural characteristics of a male and vice versa.

It also goes beyond structure to functional characteristics, but research has been limited in this area.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A boy is a boy a girl is a girl simple as that, the government is trying push this p.c bull#### on all levels.

Only it isn’t that simple for transgender people. There is a significant structural difference between the mind of both men and women.

In transgender people, a woman who identifies as a man, has overlapping structural characteristics of a male and vice versa.

It also goes beyond structure to functional characteristics, but research has been limited in this area. "

Some people won’t be able to grasp that. I don’t know why, it’s not hard to read up on. Some just don’t want to accept it. Pure ignorance I guess.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Transgender dysphoria blues

https://youtu.be/dq_va3wNfFoits catchy

They're a good band

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By *isaAndNicoleTransTV/TS over a year ago

Southport / Ellesmere Port

I know you probably meant well but transgender people are not disabled. The psychological impact of forcing a confused trans child and sectioning them off into toilets designed for disability could be very damaging.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

My job as a dad is to prepare my kids for life in the real world not the candy coated everyone is nice bullshit one the media would like you to think it is so any weakness that could be used against them would be buried im not there to be liked im there to make them the best prepared i can pandering to pc fads doesnt register on my radar of things to worry about teach my kids schools thats your job not tell them what sex they can choose to be nature already did that

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A boy is a boy a girl is a girl simple as that, the government is trying push this p.c bull#### on all levels.

Only it isn’t that simple for transgender people. There is a significant structural difference between the mind of both men and women.

In transgender people, a woman who identifies as a man, has overlapping structural characteristics of a male and vice versa.

It also goes beyond structure to functional characteristics, but research has been limited in this area.

Some people won’t be able to grasp that. I don’t know why, it’s not hard to read up on. Some just don’t want to accept it. Pure ignorance I guess. "

Sadly not. I must admit, I was ignorant of the issue, but that was down to never encountering it personally and never really needing to look it up. My job lead me to a course that I rather enjoyed, in which they taught on transgender and the varying factors surrounding gender dysphoria.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Oh for goodness sake! Really?! It’s somewhere to go to the toilet! We use the disabled toilets. My child isn’t physically disabled, she doesn’t really see herself as different to anyone else and she doesn’t need to. It’s hardly damaging her using a different bloody toilet!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Can you post a link to the document please?

It's only a news story I read - not sure where the document is to be found.

This is one of the online stories, there are a few.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/girls-must-bow-to-trans-rights-in-new-rules-for-schools-xxs8t5mn5

Exactly...

in female toilets there are cubicles. People use a cubicle with a door , no one can see anyone else.

I am transgender. I only use female changing rooms and toilets.

I’m not some kind of pedo or someone who is trying to invade someone else’s privacy I’m just being me, this involves me legally being able to use the facility that matches my gender

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

'Anti-expert' mentality has lead to an increase in people refusing to vaccinate their children, which in turn has lead to the return of dormant diseases.

I'll stick with the experts.

Trans people just want a safe place to piss. Also, nobody is forcing children to be trans. It isn't easy to access treatment at any age, let alone those who are under 18.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I thought you weren't getting involved haha

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I use em in asda more privacy for my poos

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By *esireXposedMan over a year ago

East sussex

"My job as a dad is to prepare my kids for life in the real world not the candy coated everyone is nice bullshit one the media would like you to think it is so any weakness that could be used against them would be buried im not there to be liked im there to make them the best prepared i can pandering to pc fads doesnt register on my radar of things to worry about teach my kids schools thats your job not tell them what sex they can choose to be nature already did that"

Have you asked your kids how they feel?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

As soon as I pressed send I knew I’d get that reaction. Then change the title on the door to something more neutral. I’m aware they’re not disabled - also not all disabilities are visible. It’s a simple, straight forward, lo-cost solution to what is becoming a bit of a battlefield social issue. Ironically my own daughter got pulled up by a woman in a female toilet as she thought she was a boy. Way to go to start making girls feel safe in their own spaces.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I thought you weren't getting involved haha"

Im not lol. But some things I just can’t help it.

I’m off now.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Have you asked your kids how they feel?"
they dont get that choice regardless of how they feel

there kids

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Have you asked your kids how they feel?"

You would think that’s what most parents would do, right?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"'Anti-expert' mentality has lead to an increase in people refusing to vaccinate their children, which in turn has lead to the return of dormant diseases.

I'll stick with the experts.

Trans people just want a safe place to piss. Also, nobody is forcing children to be trans. It isn't easy to access treatment at any age, let alone those who are under 18."

???? Correct

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Have you asked your kids how they feel?

You would think that’s what most parents would do, right? "

Dont need to they look happy enough

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By *isaAndNicoleTransTV/TS over a year ago

Southport / Ellesmere Port

Is your child forced to use disabled toilets to the exclusion of others?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Exactly. Disabled loos are not exclusive. Anyone can use them. They’re there as an accessible tool for those who need if required.

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By *esireXposedMan over a year ago

East sussex

Have you asked your kids how they feel?

You would think that’s what most parents would do, right? "

The ones that care?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Is your child forced to use disabled toilets to the exclusion of others? "

No one is forced to use any toilet with any label to the exclusion of others. The point is people are concerned about safety. The disabled loo (as it is currently termed) is a single occupancy safe space for whoever chooses to use it. Be they trans, disabled or otherwise.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Is your child forced to use disabled toilets to the exclusion of others? "
how is this even needed in school there are rules you abide by them or are punished kids get sent home for wearing wrong clothing so fucking about over were u can piss is insane 1 second this happens people will question everytime there kid is punished by a teacher its madness

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By *isaAndNicoleTransTV/TS over a year ago

Southport / Ellesmere Port

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By *isaAndNicoleTransTV/TS over a year ago

Southport / Ellesmere Port

As I said, I know you meant well. Disabled toilets through their construction and design are there for a reason. Simply labelling them as something neutral doesn't disguise the fact that they are designed for disability. I totally understand your reasoning as "low cost" but simply allowing trans children to use the loos that relate to the sex they identify with doesn't need any cost impact. Honestly can't understand why people are getting so angry about this.

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By *esireXposedMan over a year ago

East sussex

Have you asked your kids how they feel?they dont get that choice regardless of how they feel

there kids "

That's just sad

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Have you asked your kids how they feel?they dont get that choice regardless of how they feel

there kids

That's just sad

"
dont be sad im not and neither are the kids

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By *esireXposedMan over a year ago

East sussex

Have you asked your kids how they feel?they dont get that choice regardless of how they feel

there kids

That's just sad

dont be sad im not and neither are the kids"

'That is' not 'I am'

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Have you asked your kids how they feel?they dont get that choice regardless of how they feel

there kids

That's just sad

dont be sad im not and neither are the kids

'That is' not 'I am'"
why?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Have you asked your kids how they feel?they dont get that choice regardless of how they feel

there kids

That's just sad

dont be sad im not and neither are the kids

'That is' not 'I am'why?"

He was just correcting his typo

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

"A boy is a boy a girl is a girl simple as that, the government is trying push this p.c bull#### on all levels. "

A world where everything is black and white is an illusion. Sure, it makes it easier on some brains unable to discern the gray.

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By *esireXposedMan over a year ago

East sussex

"A boy is a boy a girl is a girl simple as that, the government is trying push this p.c bull#### on all levels.

A world where everything is black and white is an illusion. Sure, it makes it easier on some brains unable to discern the gray."

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

I don't have kids (thank Buddha, Allah, Yahweh etc) but don't young non-transgender kids have their own psychological problems with growing up, self-identification, puberty etc? If allowing transgender people to use which ever toilet they please, a place that used to be considered a "gender safe" area, isn't that a possible cause for increased angst for a specific gender, in this case girls? I'm sure transgender children have enough problems with their own self-awareness - is it fair to pass that on to another gender?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Ooo its got to 87 didnt think it would ever get going

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By *harliebbwWoman over a year ago

Birmingham

i think you should use the facilities for the body you have.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's full on a shit show!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

2 genders. Anything else is gender dysphoria.

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By *esireXposedMan over a year ago

East sussex

"2 genders. Anything else is gender dysphoria. "

Thank f*uk you turned up, this could have gone on forever

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Anyway im gonna eat some maltesers

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By *harliebbwWoman over a year ago

Birmingham

"2 genders. Anything else is gender dysphoria. "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It’s not just a cost issue. Many kids look for a difference or weakness to exploit. You allow a male kid identifying as a female to use female toilets and that kid, make no mistake, will be bullied for it and vice versa, probably worse the other way actually in my experience with my kids and female bullying. Other girls won’t feel comfortable with a boy identifying as a girl in their toilets either. Not all but many won’t. Things will change, but it needs baby steps (and I’m not angry about anything, I’m a realist).

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

...and before I get hit with it I do not see transgender as a weakness!

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

It occurs to me that pre-op transgender M2F schoolchildren don't actually need to use the girls' toilets so it's a "want", not a "need". If non-transgender schoolgirls don't want transgender children using the girls' toilets, whose "want" is more important?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"...and before I get hit with it I do not see transgender as a weakness! "
in a school environment you better believe it is kids are ruthless

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"...and before I get hit with it I do not see transgender as a weakness! in a school environment you better believe it is kids are ruthless"

Read my original post. Context.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"...and before I get hit with it I do not see transgender as a weakness! in a school environment you better believe it is kids are ruthless

Read my original post. Context. "
i did im double stamping it

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By *evil_u_knowMan over a year ago

city

Gender politics in primary school, whole government departments discussing the issue.

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By *yx_InannaWoman over a year ago

Burslem

"2 genders. Anything else is gender dysphoria. "

There's hermaphrodites, intersex conditions

Being born female yet genetically male and vice versa because of intolerance to specific hormones.

Brains being opposite gender to your physical one due to amounts of hormones present while developing in the uterus.

The fact that balancing of these hormones creates a variety of effects on an unborn child.

Are androgynous people born looking masculine and feminine due to perfect balance of hormones? They are considered perfectly beautiful and handsome. Most famous people be it stars or models have an androgynous look.

Are the rest of us not androgynous born from either side of that scale to varying degrees be it slight to extreme hormonal differences?

There isn't just 2 genders even throughout the animal kingdom there's more than 2 genders and hermaphrodism and genderless species

Tired of there's just 2 genders bullshit. Read some science mags, watch some discovery channels or something broaden your knowledge and understanding. Human physiology and psychology is so much more complex than 1 or the other.

Take time to consider outside of your social constructed box of small mindedness.

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By *oney to the beeWoman over a year ago

Manchester

I can only help thinking in 30 years "That was fucking stupid thing to do". when the children of today become involved in 2050s version of operation yewtree.

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By *ensualtouch15Man over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"2 genders. Anything else is gender dysphoria.

There's hermaphrodites, intersex conditions

Being born female yet genetically male and vice versa because of intolerance to specific hormones.

Brains being opposite gender to your physical one due to amounts of hormones present while developing in the uterus.

The fact that balancing of these hormones creates a variety of effects on an unborn child.

Are the rest of us not androgynous born from either side of that scale to varying degrees be it slight to extreme hormonal differences?

There isn't just 2 genders even throughout the animal kingdom there's more than 2 genders and hermaphrodism and genderless species

Take time to consider outside of your social constructed box of small mindedness."

Shhhh facts always confuse things

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Someone else mentioned earlier in the thread that these kids and adults identify as....

This small word put everything into reality. We have the ability to make choices , decide things and identify with things too. People can identify themselves as whatever they choose to but the stark reality is that truth doesn't run on identification. Truth deals in reality. Your gender will mot change no matter what you think, say or do. Now if you choose to identify as something other than what you are. Go ahead, but don't try and present it as normal or a matter of fact. It isn't. That's the reality.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I can only help thinking in 30 years "That was fucking stupid thing to do". when the children of today become involved in 2050s version of operation yewtree."

In the 90s they said that talking about gay people in schools would lead to child abuse. Now this decade they're saying the same thing about trans people.

Fearmongering, nothing more.

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

Yes, I agree. I remember in the 1980s people like Thatcher saying gay rights must be resisted in order to protect children. It is the same with this.

Ignorance x fear = prejudice

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By *esireXposedMan over a year ago

East sussex

"Someone else mentioned earlier in the thread that these kids and adults identify as....

Usage

The word gender has been used since the 14th century as a grammatical term, referring to classes of noun designated as masculine, feminine, or neuter in some languages. The sense denoting biological sex has also been used since the 14th century, but this did not become common until the mid 20th century. Although the words gender and sex are often used interchangeably, they have slightly different connotations; sex tends to refer to biological differences, while gender more often refers to cultural and social differences and sometimes encompasses a broader range of identities than the binary of male and female

Origin

Late Middle English from Old French gendre (modern genre), based on Latin genus ‘birth, family, nation’. The earliest meanings were ‘kind, sort, genus’ and ‘type or class of noun, etc.’ (which was also a sense of Latin genus).

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I don't remember my school having disabled toilets let alone catering for an even smaller minority... schools changed alot in over 10 years.

I think it's great kids feel comfortable enough to go to school and be who they feel they are.

I just can't imagine gender neutral toilets at the school I attended- would be sexual assault central.

I think it depends on the school, mine was dead rough, so wouldn't of worked.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yes, I agree. I remember in the 1980s people like Thatcher saying gay rights must be resisted in order to protect children. It is the same with this.

Ignorance x fear = prejudice"
so when someone identifies as a cat pipes up saying i want a littler tray in the hallway thats ok actually cats dont go to school so they shouldnt have to

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

Wow. Someone on here thinks they're a legend in their own lunch time! Don't engage with them, they're clearly on a wind up and have too much time on their hands.

Going back to the original post (which wasn't about whether gender dysphoria is a thing or not, it was about toilet usage of trans gender children), what is the 'right' that the girl students are having ignored exactly? Are they being denied using the lockable cubicle in a toilet?

I'm personally all for gender neutral toilets in all places. You use them at home anyway.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Wow. Someone on here thinks they're a legend in their own lunch time! Don't engage with them, they're clearly on a wind up and have too much time on their hands.

I'm personally all for gender neutral toilets in all places. You use them at home anyway. "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Wow. Someone on here thinks they're a legend in their own lunch time! Don't engage with them, they're clearly on a wind up and have too much time on their hands.

I'm personally all for gender neutral toilets in all places. You use them at home anyway. "
winding folk up is entertaining tho

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Wow. Someone on here thinks they're a legend in their own lunch time! Don't engage with them, they're clearly on a wind up and have too much time on their hands.

I'm personally all for gender neutral toilets in all places. You use them at home anyway. winding folk up is entertaining tho

You wind people up when you don’t understand things.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

"Wow. Someone on here thinks they're a legend in their own lunch time! Don't engage with them, they're clearly on a wind up and have too much time on their hands.

I'm personally all for gender neutral toilets in all places. You use them at home anyway. winding folk up is entertaining tho

You wind people up when you don’t understand things. "

He understands perfectly well.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I don't remember my school having disabled toilets let alone catering for an even smaller minority... schools changed alot in over 10 years.

I think it's great kids feel comfortable enough to go to school and be who they feel they are.

I just can't imagine gender neutral toilets at the school I attended- would be sexual assault central.

I think it depends on the school, mine was dead rough, so wouldn't of worked.

It’s the law to have disabled loos in a business now. I believe. I was certainly made to build one and put in disabled access shower for a biz I had.

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By *esireXposedMan over a year ago

East sussex

" winding folk up is entertaining tho

If that's all you've got, you should make the most of it. Sure it will stand you in good stead.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Wow. Someone on here thinks they're a legend in their own lunch time! Don't engage with them, they're clearly on a wind up and have too much time on their hands.

I'm personally all for gender neutral toilets in all places. You use them at home anyway. winding folk up is entertaining tho

You wind people up when you don’t understand things.

He understands perfectly well. "

Makes a change then

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Wow. Someone on here thinks they're a legend in their own lunch time! Don't engage with them, they're clearly on a wind up and have too much time on their hands.

I'm personally all for gender neutral toilets in all places. You use them at home anyway. winding folk up is entertaining tho

You wind people up when you don’t understand things. "
i understand the reality of surviving the harshness of real life not pandering to what people now see as cool cos the rest are too afraid to be labeled trans phobic or whatever other lunatic names get thrown around sticks and stones people what happened to having thick skin

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" winding folk up is entertaining tho

If that's all you've got, you should make the most of it. Sure it will stand you in good stead."
it does

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Wow. Someone on here thinks they're a legend in their own lunch time! Don't engage with them, they're clearly on a wind up and have too much time on their hands.

I'm personally all for gender neutral toilets in all places. You use them at home anyway. "

Do you think gender neutrality should be applied to all aspects in life?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Wow. Someone on here thinks they're a legend in their own lunch time! Don't engage with them, they're clearly on a wind up and have too much time on their hands.

I'm personally all for gender neutral toilets in all places. You use them at home anyway. winding folk up is entertaining tho

You wind people up when you don’t understand things. i understand the reality of surviving the harshness of real life not pandering to what people now see as cool cos the rest are too afraid to be labeled trans phobic or whatever other lunatic names get thrown around sticks and stones people what happened to having thick skin"

So you don’t understand the subject matter then?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Wow. Someone on here thinks they're a legend in their own lunch time! Don't engage with them, they're clearly on a wind up and have too much time on their hands.

I'm personally all for gender neutral toilets in all places. You use them at home anyway. winding folk up is entertaining tho

So you don’t understand the subject matter then? "
yeah its about this new fad gender neutral rubbish being forced on school kids who need a piss girls have vagina boys have penis theres a toilets for penis a toilet for vaginas its worked very well for many years

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By *esireXposedMan over a year ago

East sussex

"Wow. Someone on here thinks they're a legend in their own lunch time! Don't engage with them, they're clearly on a wind up and have too much time on their hands.

I'm personally all for gender neutral toilets in all places. You use them at home anyway.

Do you think gender neutrality should be applied to all aspects in life?"

No, just when it applies to people and the quality of life, not fussed on gender neutral bread.

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman over a year ago

On a mooch

I don’t see why this would only effect girls or maybe I’m just being dumb, surely you have girls who trans gender so they would identify with wishing to use the boys toilets ?

Personally I don’t see an issue with it. I’m couldn’t tell you if we have trans gender in my lad’s secondary school as all children are treated as human beings and not labels. He is fully aware of all different types of sexuality and gender identification. He doesn’t bat an eyelid at anyone’s differences, because to him they aren’t different, just individuals choosing to be who they want to be.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Wow. Someone on here thinks they're a legend in their own lunch time! Don't engage with them, they're clearly on a wind up and have too much time on their hands.

I'm personally all for gender neutral toilets in all places. You use them at home anyway. winding folk up is entertaining tho

So you don’t understand the subject matter then? yeah its about this new fad gender neutral rubbish being forced on school kids who need a piss girls have vagina boys have penis theres a toilets for penis a toilet for vaginas its worked very well for many years"

Fad?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Wow. Someone on here thinks they're a legend in their own lunch time! Don't engage with them, they're clearly on a wind up and have too much time on their hands.

I'm personally all for gender neutral toilets in all places. You use them at home anyway. winding folk up is entertaining tho

Fad?

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yes as i said earlier the cat people will be next to rise up

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Wow. Someone on here thinks they're a legend in their own lunch time! Don't engage with them, they're clearly on a wind up and have too much time on their hands.

I'm personally all for gender neutral toilets in all places. You use them at home anyway. winding folk up is entertaining tho

Fad?

yes as i said earlier the cat people will be next to rise up

God forbid one of your kids struggles with their gender

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Wow. Someone on here thinks they're a legend in their own lunch time! Don't engage with them, they're clearly on a wind up and have too much time on their hands.

I'm personally all for gender neutral toilets in all places. You use them at home anyway. winding folk up is entertaining tho

Fad?

yes as i said earlier the cat people will be next to rise up

God forbid one of your kids struggles with their gender"
i already forbade them

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By *evil_u_knowMan over a year ago

city

"In the 90s they said that talking about gay people in schools would lead to child abuse. Now this decade they're saying the same thing about trans people.

Fearmongering, nothing more."

But the birth rate in England and Wales is record low, never before seen rates.

Russia went under the same problem, and hit 1.2 birth rate, which is population collapse territory. They removed gender politics from schools and children, and the birth rate has now gone to 1.75, 1.75 is still bad but its better than England.

You need a 2.0 to keep your population standing still. It takes 2 people to make a baby, so a woman needs to have to children to replace her, and the guy when they die.

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By *esireXposedMan over a year ago

East sussex

" winding folk up is entertaining tho

If that's all you've got, you should make the most of it. Sure it will stand you in good stead.it does

You remind me of my brother in-law, he courts attention by being antagonistic, but really he's just a lonely little boy who want's someone to love him, except no one does coz he's a dic.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" winding folk up is entertaining tho

If that's all you've got, you should make the most of it. Sure it will stand you in good stead.it does

You remind me of my brother in-law, he courts attention by being antagonistic, but really he's just a lonely little boy who want's someone to love him, except no one does coz he's a dic."
i got someone to love me

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"In the 90s they said that talking about gay people in schools would lead to child abuse. Now this decade they're saying the same thing about trans people.

Fearmongering, nothing more.

But the birth rate in England and Wales is record low, never before seen rates.

You need a 2.0 to keep your population standing still. It takes 2 people to make a baby, so a woman needs to have to children to replace her, and the guy when they die."

It’s a record low because many of us women are choosing not to have children. I have 5 friends around my age and all feel the same. My two cousins and my sister is the same. That’s nothing to do with gender politics.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"In the 90s they said that talking about gay people in schools would lead to child abuse. Now this decade they're saying the same thing about trans people.

Fearmongering, nothing more.

But the birth rate in England and Wales is record low, never before seen rates.

You need a 2.0 to keep your population standing still. It takes 2 people to make a baby, so a woman needs to have to children to replace her, and the guy when they die."

Oh jeez, really? Not even that it has nothing to do with what I said, but this is the argument you're making, in 2019?

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman over a year ago

On a mooch

"In the 90s they said that talking about gay people in schools would lead to child abuse. Now this decade they're saying the same thing about trans people.

Fearmongering, nothing more.

But the birth rate in England and Wales is record low, never before seen rates.

You need a 2.0 to keep your population standing still. It takes 2 people to make a baby, so a woman needs to have to children to replace her, and the guy when they die."

Could also be down to the fact that couples can’t afford to have more than one child !

I’m not even going to comment on your last paragraph as a whole other kettle of fish !

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By *esireXposedMan over a year ago

East sussex

" winding folk up is entertaining tho

If that's all you've got, you should make the most of it. Sure it will stand you in good stead.it does

That's what he'd say.

But to be fair to you, I had forgotten that you can tell what people really feel just by looking at them

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"In the 90s they said that talking about gay people in schools would lead to child abuse. Now this decade they're saying the same thing about trans people.

Fearmongering, nothing more.

But the birth rate in England and Wales is record low, never before seen rates.

You need a 2.0 to keep your population standing still. It takes 2 people to make a baby, so a woman needs to have to children to replace her, and the guy when they die.

Could also be down to the fact that couples can’t afford to have more than one child !

I’m not even going to comment on your last paragraph as a whole other kettle of fish !"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" winding folk up is entertaining tho

If that's all you've got, you should make the most of it. Sure it will stand you in good stead.it does

That's what he'd say.

But to be fair to you, I had forgotten that you can tell what people really feel just by looking at them

Exactly and the fact im told it regular i just dont need to ask it to find out

im a very very happy man perfect job perfect woman perfect kids i love my life

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By *ensualtouch15Man over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"In the 90s they said that talking about gay people in schools would lead to child abuse. Now this decade they're saying the same thing about trans people.

Fearmongering, nothing more.

But the birth rate in England and Wales is record low, never before seen rates.

You need a 2.0 to keep your population standing still. It takes 2 people to make a baby, so a woman needs to have to children to replace her, and the guy when they die."

And the planet is vastly over populated, or do you think women are only on the planet to perpetuate the parasitic human race

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"In the 90s they said that talking about gay people in schools would lead to child abuse. Now this decade they're saying the same thing about trans people.

Fearmongering, nothing more.

But the birth rate in England and Wales is record low, never before seen rates.

You need a 2.0 to keep your population standing still. It takes 2 people to make a baby, so a woman needs to have to children to replace her, and the guy when they die.

And the planet is vastly over populated, or do you think women are only on the planet to perpetuate the parasitic human race

"
no theres the cooking the cleaning il do the ironing tho

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By *.gerri.xTV/TS over a year ago

North west

I admit it , I have a sanni bin fetish

I'm glad fear and society stopped me from acting this out in school.

Oh the embarrassment if I was found draped over a sanni bin singing Sheela Na Gig.

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By *arly StagesCouple over a year ago

Penwortham

Just dig a big hole in the ground and let everybody piss, shit, puke etc into it.

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By *rMrs CumalotCouple over a year ago

East Mids

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"[Removed by poster at 16/09/19 13:50:18]"
are you bens cousins?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"[Removed by poster at 16/09/19 13:50:18]are you bens cousins?"

. I thought that when I saw the name!

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Wow. Someone on here thinks they're a legend in their own lunch time! Don't engage with them, they're clearly on a wind up and have too much time on their hands.

I'm personally all for gender neutral toilets in all places. You use them at home anyway.

Do you think gender neutrality should be applied to all aspects in life?

No, just when it applies to people and the quality of life, not fussed on gender neutral bread."

Well, quality of life is a fairly open-ended concept, but how about professional sports and medical care for example? If gender neutrality was the law, how could it be applied women and men's physical health? I read in an NHS report that they spends 14% more of their budget on women's healthcare, which doesn't make the NHS gender neutral in respect of costs. And then there are aspects of sports' competitions where the high prize money may look attractive enough to some who may "temporarily" change their gender. In my life experience, there is always someone who will take advantage of a situation such as this.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Will they be called swiss toilets?

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By *hilloutMan over a year ago

All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest

I educate my kids to be respectful, tolerant and non judgemental about choices people make and how they choose to live their lives.

That being said, what I do have a major issue with is this social engineering agenda that's been thrown in my face 24/7 and is now being pushed on to my children; who are still maturing physically and mentally and shouldn't be exposed to these issues they are unable to fully comprehend.

Yes, I do have a problem with drag queen storytime where they sit with 4 and 6 year olds and expose their vulnerable, impressionable minds to these concepts. Yes, I do have an issue with teenage boys who identify as girls being permitted to participate in girls sports and having an unfair advantage. Yes, I do have an issue with someone being able to identify as the opposite gender and being able to use their bathroom on a whim. Yes, I found it reprehensible that Lewis Hamilton had to offer a public apology because he told his young nephew he shouldn't wear dresses as they're for girls.

Whenever someone is critical of this agenda they're automatically labelled as transphobic and the issue of "rights" comes up. What about the rights of the vast majority of people who do have some issues with the kevel things are reaching? What about the rights of girl athletes? What about the rights or feelings of discomfort that girls or women experienced having biological men use their bathrooms? What of the rights of parents who don't want their children exposed to these concepts at an early age? This is what the silent majority think but don't express for fear of being shouted down by a very vocal minority.

The issue of gender neutral toilets or not is the symptom of a far bigger problem.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I educate my kids to be respectful, tolerant and non judgemental about choices people make and how they choose to live their lives.

The issue of gender neutral toilets or not is the symptom of a far bigger problem."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I educate my kids to be respectful, tolerant and non judgemental about choices people make and how they choose to live their lives.

The issue of gender neutral toilets or not is the symptom of a far bigger problem."

Well said

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I educate my kids to be respectful, tolerant and non judgemental about choices people make and how they choose to live their lives.

The issue of gender neutral toilets or not is the symptom of a far bigger problem.

Well said

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" winding folk up is entertaining tho

If that's all you've got, you should make the most of it. Sure it will stand you in good stead.it does

You remind me of my brother in-law, he courts attention by being antagonistic, but really he's just a lonely little boy who want's someone to love him, except no one does coz he's a dic."

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By *.gerri.xTV/TS over a year ago

North west

" winding folk up is entertaining tho

If that's all you've got, you should make the most of it. Sure it will stand you in good stead.it does

You remind me of my brother in-law, he courts attention by being antagonistic, but really he's just a lonely little boy who want's someone to love him, except no one does coz he's a dic.

Much more eloquent ….ele ...elle….sorry aldi brandy is such an illiterate brandy ….much more succinct than what my verbose self could say.

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By *stellaWoman over a year ago

London

"I educate my kids to be respectful, tolerant and non judgemental about choices people make and how they choose to live their lives.

The issue of gender neutral toilets or not is the symptom of a far bigger problem."

I really appreciate hearing the opposing viewpoint detailed like this. Thank you.

Completely disagree though.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I educate my kids to be respectful, tolerant and non judgemental about choices people make and how they choose to live their lives.

The issue of gender neutral toilets or not is the symptom of a far bigger problem.

I really appreciate hearing the opposing viewpoint detailed like this. Thank you.

Completely disagree though. "

That was my first impression too.

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By *.gerri.xTV/TS over a year ago

North west

"I educate my kids to be respectful, tolerant and non judgemental about choices people make and how they choose to live their lives.

[b]That being said, what I do have a major issue with is this social engineering agenda that's been thrown in my face 24/7 and is now being pushed on to my children; who are still maturing physically and mentally and shouldn't be exposed to these issues they are unable to fully comprehend. [/b]

Has this ever happened to your children ?

Was the Trans storytime ever offered ?

[b]Yes, I do have an issue with someone being able to identify as the opposite gender and being able to use their bathroom on a whim.[/b]

A fucking whim lol

Do you even remember school ffs , can you imagine being the kid who thinks the right place for him/her is in what is "officially" the toilets /changing room off the "opposite " sex [/b]

[b]Yes, I found it reprehensible that Lewis Hamilton had to offer a public apology because he told his young nephew he shouldn't wear dresses as they're for girls.[/b]

bless

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By *.gerri.xTV/TS over a year ago

North west

oooops that there formnatting

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I educate my kids to be respectful, tolerant and non judgemental about choices people make and how they choose to live their lives.

Has this ever happened to your children ?

Was the Trans storytime ever offered ?

[b]Yes, I do have an issue with someone being able to identify as the opposite gender and being able to use their bathroom on a whim.[/b]

A fucking whim lol

Do you even remember school ffs , can you imagine being the kid who thinks the right place for him/her is in what is "officially" the toilets /changing room off the "opposite " sex [/b]

[b]Yes, I found it reprehensible that Lewis Hamilton had to offer a public apology because he told his young nephew he shouldn't wear dresses as they're for girls.[/b]

bless

Bless??!!! See above for Estella’s adult response to something she disagrees with.

Same old same old again. Someone has a different opinion and off we go.

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By *.gerri.xTV/TS over a year ago

North west

I did read Estallas adult response

Have you got one ?

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By *.gerri.xTV/TS over a year ago

North west

Sorry , I meant Estella

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

"I educate my kids to be respectful, tolerant and non judgemental about choices people make and how they choose to live their lives.

The issue of gender neutral toilets or not is the symptom of a far bigger problem."

So you would rather quell the uncomfortable feelings of others at the cost of someone else's actual mental health and happiness?

I bet your children watched shows with big talking purple dinosaurs or fictional made up Japanese animals or men who dress as a bat or mutant teenage ninja turtles in them but someone dressed up as a woman is too much for their vulnerable, impressionable minds? Really? Teaching them that it's ok to be who makes them happy is a bad thing?

No one who tries to argue against trans rights has ever come up with anything half compelling in my opinion.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I did read Estallas adult response

Have you got one ?"

Oh yes but I choose not to today

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By *cousesubsallyWoman over a year ago

Somewhere out there

I think it can be too much, my eldest at the age of 12 told me he wanted to be a girl; for about a month he was going on about it... what it was is that yes, he was horribly uncomfortable in who he was but it wasn’t because he really should have been a girl, it’s because he is socially awkward and was being bullied terribly. He found it hard to fit in and to him, this was the answer - the things he was being taught in school that trans kids go through the day as what he was feeling about himself.

I knew what he was saying wasn’t true though, and I actively challenged him on what he thought he believed, not because I wouldn’t support him whatever but because I knew it wasn’t true. I can see how this may make me seem a bad mother to some, but if I’d have listened and encouraged him then, who knows what damage could have been done to my now strapping 16 year old, who is more than comfortable in his male skin

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think it can be too much, my eldest at the age of 12 told me he wanted to be a girl; for about a month he was going on about it... what it was is that yes, he was horribly uncomfortable in who he was but it wasn’t because he really should have been a girl, it’s because he is socially awkward and was being bullied terribly. He found it hard to fit in and to him, this was the answer - the things he was being taught in school that trans kids go through the day as what he was feeling about himself.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

I don't think you're a bad mum at all. In fact I applaud you're challenging and questioning of the situation but I also feel that you are not as closed off to trans as some on here would have you believe that they are.

Had your son continued with his assertion that he was a girl, shown that this is how he sees himself, how would you have felt?

It is the blind denial of some that is incomprehensible to me. Those that think simply seeing a trans person or someone in drag is going to earl their little ones mind.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A boy is a boy a girl is a girl simple as that, the government is trying push this p.c bull#### on all levels.

It’s shocking ignorance like yours that drive people to kill themselves. "

The only ignorance here is yours towards nature!! We are now trying to fuck with nature and believe me that never ends well

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By *uxom redCouple over a year ago

Shrewsbury

"We have and have had transgender children in our school, they use the staff toilets.

We currently have a year 8 child who has been referring theirselves as a he when born male, this started in year 4 in primary.

Two other s now 18 have both changed their names via depoll and are treated as male one on hormone blockers one not.

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By *yx_InannaWoman over a year ago

Burslem

It's not about encouraging its about supporting them. The gender clinics don't give out hormones and hormone blockers left right and centre. They don't give surgery at a drop of a hat.

Even if someone does have a phase that should be ok to express that phase what ever it is and what ever time.

But for many they've know their whole short lives and puberty becomes the most horrifying thing for them to be something they aren't. They don't need encouraging they need support and love. What will be will be and will fall into place. A brief moment someone thinking they want to change isn't a strong supporting case for any mental health practice or gender clinic. They don't work on whims. It takes people years to start hormonal transitions. Those who truly want to change won't give up its who they are. Those with whims and fantasy will not fight for what they want they won't battle through the stigma.

So should anyone find their child expresses a wish to change gender then support them and love them. Thats all they need from you not encouragement because they will find their path without it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I educate my kids to be respectful, tolerant and non judgemental about choices people make and how they choose to live their lives.

The issue of gender neutral toilets or not is the symptom of a far bigger problem."

Spot on.

The silent majority is right. Sickening that children are exposed to this at such an early age.

Do what you want as long as you don't infringe or push your views on others especially malleable young minds. The transgender agenda is is the antithesis of the above opinion.

Pushing this agenda hard is exactly what creates the "bigots" they claim are oppressing them. Feedback loop.

I don't accept my body.

I'm outwardly visually trans now.

Accept my body bigot!

Checkmate

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By *rightonsteveMan over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"A boy is a boy a girl is a girl simple as that, the government is trying push this p.c bull#### on all levels. "

Very true.

except those who are nonbinary. Then they are both or neither. Take your pick.

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By *esireXposedMan over a year ago

East sussex

Very true.

except those who are nonbinary. Then they are both or neither. Take your pick. "

Sexuality is not a choice, ignorance and fear are!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Very true.

except those who are nonbinary. Then they are both or neither. Take your pick.

Sexuality is not a choice, ignorance and fear are!"
i fear no man or woman but ignorance is bliss

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By *rightonsteveMan over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

I’ll end this thread by counting those who are against and those who are in favour.

The eyes to the left 105, the noes to the right 70. The eyes have it. The eyes have it! Unlock!

Order! ORDEEEERRRR!!!

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