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"No Vegans in then !! Lol" There cant be , because they'd let you know for sure | |||
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"Do vegans swallow cum ?? After all the cum does come from an animal !" it's a source of protein but does contain eggs  | |||
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"Any vegans care to reply ??" Give them time. The thread had only been running for 12 minutes | |||
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"Do vegans swallow cum ?? After all the cum does come from an animal !" That's a blody good question. Also, what do vegan mothers feed newborn children? | |||
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"You could always try searching for the million and one other threads asking the same thing " In my opinion it's an ignorant question | |||
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"You could always try searching for the million and one other threads asking the same thing In my opinion it's an ignorant question " Why is it ?? | |||
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"Do vegans swallow cum ?? After all the cum does come from an animal !it's a source of protein but does contain eggs "Cum...contains eggs?  Mr. | |||
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"Do vegans swallow cum ?? After all the cum does come from an animal !it's a source of protein but does contain eggs
Cum...contains eggs? Mr. "Yeah, that confused me too. | |||
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"its ok im sat in the naughty corner pissing my self with laughter "I'm there too . Can you see me. Wave | |||
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"Do vegans swallow cum ?? After all the cum does come from an animal !it's a source of protein but does contain eggs
Cum...contains eggs? Mr.
Yeah, that confused me too."Think someone got their biology mixed up  | |||
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"Do vegans swallow cum ?? After all the cum does come from an animal !it's a source of protein but does contain eggs
Cum...contains eggs? Mr.
Yeah, that confused me too.
Think someone got their biology mixed up "And as girls aloud once said "you cant escape the biology"  | |||
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"I'm vegan, and this is a pretty silly question- I'd like to think it was intended as a joke. After all, there's a huge difference between killing and taking bodily fluids unnecessarily from animals who don't have any ability to give consent, Vs a consensual sexual act between two people. But to answer it, I personally hate swallowing cum, and I won't do it. But that's not a vegan issue, I just think it's disgusting." Many a man are now crying in their cornflakes | |||
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"I'm vegan, and this is a pretty silly question- I'd like to think it was intended as a joke. After all, there's a huge difference between killing and taking bodily fluids unnecessarily from animals who don't have any ability to give consent, Vs a consensual sexual act between two people. But to answer it, I personally hate swallowing cum, and I won't do it. But that's not a vegan issue, I just think it's disgusting." So with that, if you liked meat, you’d have no issues of eating venison if the Deer died of natural causes in the wild? Hypothetically... | |||
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"I'm vegan, and this is a pretty silly question- I'd like to think it was intended as a joke. After all, there's a huge difference between killing and taking bodily fluids unnecessarily from animals who don't have any ability to give consent, Vs a consensual sexual act between two people. But to answer it, I personally hate swallowing cum, and I won't do it. But that's not a vegan issue, I just think it's disgusting. So with that, if you liked meat, you’d have no issues of eating venison if the Deer died of natural causes in the wild? Hypothetically... " No, I wouldn't be okay with that at all. Animals are living creatures, not commodities for us to use as we see fit. I've got no desire to consume any animal products, but if I did it's as simple as this: animals bodies don't exist for me to use/eat. I've got more respect for other living creatures than that. | |||
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"I'm vegan, and this is a pretty silly question- I'd like to think it was intended as a joke. After all, there's a huge difference between killing and taking bodily fluids unnecessarily from animals who don't have any ability to give consent, Vs a consensual sexual act between two people. But to answer it, I personally hate swallowing cum, and I won't do it. But that's not a vegan issue, I just think it's disgusting. So with that, if you liked meat, you’d have no issues of eating venison if the Deer died of natural causes in the wild? Hypothetically... No, I wouldn't be okay with that at all. Animals are living creatures, not commodities for us to use as we see fit. I've got no desire to consume any animal products, but if I did it's as simple as this: animals bodies don't exist for me to use/eat. I've got more respect for other living creatures than that." How about an egg that has been disregarded by a wild hen? | |||
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"I'm vegan, and this is a pretty silly question- I'd like to think it was intended as a joke. After all, there's a huge difference between killing and taking bodily fluids unnecessarily from animals who don't have any ability to give consent, Vs a consensual sexual act between two people. But to answer it, I personally hate swallowing cum, and I won't do it. But that's not a vegan issue, I just think it's disgusting. So with that, if you liked meat, you’d have no issues of eating venison if the Deer died of natural causes in the wild? Hypothetically... No, I wouldn't be okay with that at all. Animals are living creatures, not commodities for us to use as we see fit. I've got no desire to consume any animal products, but if I did it's as simple as this: animals bodies don't exist for me to use/eat. I've got more respect for other living creatures than that. How about an egg that has been disregarded by a wild hen? " I'll put it another way, The bodies of animals and their byproducts are simply not mine to take. I have no right to them. So no. | |||
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"I'm vegan, and this is a pretty silly question- I'd like to think it was intended as a joke. After all, there's a huge difference between killing and taking bodily fluids unnecessarily from animals who don't have any ability to give consent, Vs a consensual sexual act between two people. But to answer it, I personally hate swallowing cum, and I won't do it. But that's not a vegan issue, I just think it's disgusting." Stunning Vegan!!!  | |||
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"I'm vegan, and this is a pretty silly question- I'd like to think it was intended as a joke. After all, there's a huge difference between killing and taking bodily fluids unnecessarily from animals who don't have any ability to give consent, Vs a consensual sexual act between two people. But to answer it, I personally hate swallowing cum, and I won't do it. But that's not a vegan issue, I just think it's disgusting. So with that, if you liked meat, you’d have no issues of eating venison if the Deer died of natural causes in the wild? Hypothetically... No, I wouldn't be okay with that at all. Animals are living creatures, not commodities for us to use as we see fit. I've got no desire to consume any animal products, but if I did it's as simple as this: animals bodies don't exist for me to use/eat. I've got more respect for other living creatures than that. How about an egg that has been disregarded by a wild hen? I'll put it another way, The bodies of animals and their byproducts are simply not mine to take. I have no right to them. So no." Ah ok, so no honey either? I’m not teasing, just curious.. | |||
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"I'm vegan, and this is a pretty silly question- I'd like to think it was intended as a joke. After all, there's a huge difference between killing and taking bodily fluids unnecessarily from animals who don't have any ability to give consent, Vs a consensual sexual act between two people. But to answer it, I personally hate swallowing cum, and I won't do it. But that's not a vegan issue, I just think it's disgusting. So with that, if you liked meat, you’d have no issues of eating venison if the Deer died of natural causes in the wild? Hypothetically... No, I wouldn't be okay with that at all. Animals are living creatures, not commodities for us to use as we see fit. I've got no desire to consume any animal products, but if I did it's as simple as this: animals bodies don't exist for me to use/eat. I've got more respect for other living creatures than that. How about an egg that has been disregarded by a wild hen? I'll put it another way, The bodies of animals and their byproducts are simply not mine to take. I have no right to them. So no. Ah ok, so no honey either? I’m not teasing, just curious.. " That's okay, I appreciate you being nice about it, many aren't. No, no honey. I also don't wear silk, wool or leather. | |||
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"Do vegans swallow cum ?? After all the cum does come from an animal !" vegans don't do anything conventional, they have to go against the norm and the majority....they'd probably have some plant based sap substitute.....  | |||
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"I'm vegan, and this is a pretty silly question- I'd like to think it was intended as a joke. After all, there's a huge difference between killing and taking bodily fluids unnecessarily from animals who don't have any ability to give consent, Vs a consensual sexual act between two people. But to answer it, I personally hate swallowing cum, and I won't do it. But that's not a vegan issue, I just think it's disgusting. So with that, if you liked meat, you’d have no issues of eating venison if the Deer died of natural causes in the wild? Hypothetically... No, I wouldn't be okay with that at all. Animals are living creatures, not commodities for us to use as we see fit. I've got no desire to consume any animal products, but if I did it's as simple as this: animals bodies don't exist for me to use/eat. I've got more respect for other living creatures than that. How about an egg that has been disregarded by a wild hen? I'll put it another way, The bodies of animals and their byproducts are simply not mine to take. I have no right to them. So no. Ah ok, so no honey either? I’m not teasing, just curious.. That's okay, I appreciate you being nice about it, many aren't. No, no honey. I also don't wear silk, wool or leather." Yeah ok, from a vegans view I get wool and leather, silk production I know very little about.. The honey, maybe I find that a little odd.. you seem to be against animal products for moral reasons as opposed to “I want to be known as a vegan because it’s trendy” bandwagon.. Honey is never really something I thought about, I’ve a lot to discuss in my own brain for tonight haha.. | |||
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"You could always try searching for the million and one other threads asking the same thing " There’s was me thinking it was totally original. | |||
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"I'm vegan, and this is a pretty silly question- I'd like to think it was intended as a joke. After all, there's a huge difference between killing and taking bodily fluids unnecessarily from animals who don't have any ability to give consent, Vs a consensual sexual act between two people. But to answer it, I personally hate swallowing cum, and I won't do it. But that's not a vegan issue, I just think it's disgusting. So with that, if you liked meat, you’d have no issues of eating venison if the Deer died of natural causes in the wild? Hypothetically... No, I wouldn't be okay with that at all. Animals are living creatures, not commodities for us to use as we see fit. I've got no desire to consume any animal products, but if I did it's as simple as this: animals bodies don't exist for me to use/eat. I've got more respect for other living creatures than that. How about an egg that has been disregarded by a wild hen? I'll put it another way, The bodies of animals and their byproducts are simply not mine to take. I have no right to them. So no. Ah ok, so no honey either? I’m not teasing, just curious.. That's okay, I appreciate you being nice about it, many aren't. No, no honey. I also don't wear silk, wool or leather. Yeah ok, from a vegans view I get wool and leather, silk production I know very little about.. The honey, maybe I find that a little odd.. you seem to be against animal products for moral reasons as opposed to “I want to be known as a vegan because it’s trendy” bandwagon.. Honey is never really something I thought about, I’ve a lot to discuss in my own brain for tonight haha.. " Yeah, it's definitely an important ethics thing for me, though I know the meaning of veganism is being diluted a bit now, since it's become more of an 'in' thing. It's great that you're able to see things from a different perspective, I often find people simply make fun of things they don't understand instead of actually thinking about it. I won't clog the thread by continuing to post here, but if you want to talk more about it then feel free to send me a message. | |||
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"You could always try searching for the million and one other threads asking the same thing In my opinion it's an ignorant question Why is it ??" That question again collaborates my opinion | |||
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"Do vegans swallow cum ?? After all the cum does come from an animal !it's a source of protein but does contain eggs "I think you need to go back to school | |||
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"I'm vegan, and this is a pretty silly question- I'd like to think it was intended as a joke. After all, there's a huge difference between killing and taking bodily fluids unnecessarily from animals who don't have any ability to give consent, Vs a consensual sexual act between two people. But to answer it, I personally hate swallowing cum, and I won't do it. But that's not a vegan issue, I just think it's disgusting." Well said. My best friend is a vegan and it’s a ridiculous question. | |||
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"Do vegans swallow cum ?? After all the cum does come from an animal ! vegans don't do anything conventional, they have to go against the norm and the majority....they'd probably have some plant based sap substitute..... "Yet another ridiculous comment!! People can be so ignorant. | |||
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"Tbh everyone is going vegan for different reasons, I'd like to try go vegan but I'm not doing it for the welfare of the animals but for the planet and to reduce carbon emissions." You not eating meat isnt going to stop the lorries delivering the meat | |||
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"Tbh everyone is going vegan for different reasons, I'd like to try go vegan but I'm not doing it for the welfare of the animals but for the planet and to reduce carbon emissions. You not eating meat isnt going to stop the lorries delivering the meat" Depends on how many people stop eating meat in the future. | |||
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"Tbh everyone is going vegan for different reasons, I'd like to try go vegan but I'm not doing it for the welfare of the animals but for the planet and to reduce carbon emissions. You not eating meat isnt going to stop the lorries delivering the meat Depends on how many people stop eating meat in the future. " I doubt it, most of Indias population do not eat meat and they still have 3rd highest co2 emissions | |||
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"Tbh everyone is going vegan for different reasons, I'd like to try go vegan but I'm not doing it for the welfare of the animals but for the planet and to reduce carbon emissions. You not eating meat isnt going to stop the lorries delivering the meat Depends on how many people stop eating meat in the future. I doubt it, most of Indias population do not eat meat and they still have 3rd highest co2 emissions" I was responding to the ‘lorries’ comment. | |||
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"Do vegans swallow cum ?? After all the cum does come from an animal !it's a source of protein but does contain eggs
Cum...contains eggs? Mr. "Sex ed lessons in this country are a bit hit and miss | |||
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"Tbh everyone is going vegan for different reasons, I'd like to try go vegan but I'm not doing it for the welfare of the animals but for the planet and to reduce carbon emissions. You not eating meat isnt going to stop the lorries delivering the meat Depends on how many people stop eating meat in the future. I doubt it, most of Indias population do not eat meat and they still have 3rd highest co2 emissions" India is actually 12th and considering it has one of the second highest population in the world, your agreement doesn’t stake up, nice try though, have another go. | |||
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"Tbh everyone is going vegan for different reasons, I'd like to try go vegan but I'm not doing it for the welfare of the animals but for the planet and to reduce carbon emissions. You not eating meat isnt going to stop the lorries delivering the meat Depends on how many people stop eating meat in the future. I doubt it, most of Indias population do not eat meat and they still have 3rd highest co2 emissions India is actually 12th and considering it has one of the second highest population in the world, your agreement doesn’t stake up, nice try though, have another go." India is 3rd as of june 2019 you must be using bing. it's second highest population n they don't eat meat im saying going vegan isnt a big factor in co emissions | |||
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"Tbh everyone is going vegan for different reasons, I'd like to try go vegan but I'm not doing it for the welfare of the animals but for the planet and to reduce carbon emissions. You not eating meat isnt going to stop the lorries delivering the meat Depends on how many people stop eating meat in the future. I doubt it, most of Indias population do not eat meat and they still have 3rd highest co2 emissions India is actually 12th and considering it has one of the second highest population in the world, your agreement doesn’t stake up, nice try though, have another go. India is 3rd as of june 2019 you must be using bing. it's second highest population n they don't eat meat im saying going vegan isnt a big factor in co emissions" Plenty of meat when I go to India with work. It’s also highly polluted In many parts. | |||
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"Tbh everyone is going vegan for different reasons, I'd like to try go vegan but I'm not doing it for the welfare of the animals but for the planet and to reduce carbon emissions. You not eating meat isnt going to stop the lorries delivering the meat Depends on how many people stop eating meat in the future. I doubt it, most of Indias population do not eat meat and they still have 3rd highest co2 emissions India is actually 12th and considering it has one of the second highest population in the world, your agreement doesn’t stake up, nice try though, have another go. India is 3rd as of june 2019 you must be using bing. it's second highest population n they don't eat meat im saying going vegan isnt a big factor in co emissions" Nah mate, up to date stats here, you must be getting your figures delivered by an Asthmatic carrier pigeon. | |||
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"Eating animal products isn't the most detrimental aspect to climate change. The use of fossil fuels and electricity is the worst contributor. I wonder if vegans will sit by candle light "Dogs and cats are responsible for a quarter of the greenhouse gas emissions caused by animal agriculture which adds up to a 64 million tons of carbon-dioxide equivalent emitted in the production of their food. Do the planet a favour, and eat your dog (cats are exempt from consumption) | |||
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"Do vegans swallow cum ?? After all the cum does come from an animal !it's a source of protein but does contain eggs
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"More importantly I'm sure they don't allow meat in there mouths in the first place so is the question relevant ? Unless he shoots his load from a safe distance " If it was meat then you would have no penis. I’m sure a rabid meat eater would have had it for a snack ages ago. | |||
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"I am curious how many men will bullshit that they are vegan or vegetarian just to bed a vegan. And for the vegans who would not swing with a meat eater, how betrayed would you feel if you found out later that he ate meat... ?" I do swing with non vegans, selectively (vegans to the top of the list of course), but I'd hate to be lied to like that. I'd certainly never see them again if I found out. | |||
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"I am curious how many men will bullshit that they are vegan or vegetarian just to bed a vegan. And for the vegans who would not swing with a meat eater, how betrayed would you feel if you found out later that he ate meat... ? I do swing with non vegans, selectively (vegans to the top of the list of course), but I'd hate to be lied to like that. I'd certainly never see them again if I found out." I should add that it's more about the deception, ie. If they'll lie about something like that, what else are they lying about? Consenting spouse, STI status etc. | |||
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"I am curious how many men will bullshit that they are vegan or vegetarian just to bed a vegan. And for the vegans who would not swing with a meat eater, how betrayed would you feel if you found out later that he ate meat... ?" And imagine if you started dating someone but you both had eating differences but you fell in love. Would you have to have separate fridges and cookers. Personally I find it a turn off if I find a man who doesn't eat meat. Even more so if they're a Tory | |||
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"I've had this conversation with a vegan friend and her answer was yes as she has the consent of the provider of the come. " But then again did the poor wee innocent sperm get asked if they were ok being swallowed lol | |||
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"Do vegans swallow cum ?? After all the cum does come from an animal !" Is it a form of canibalism?  | |||
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"I am curious how many men will bullshit that they are vegan or vegetarian just to bed a vegan. And for the vegans who would not swing with a meat eater, how betrayed would you feel if you found out later that he ate meat... ?" I’ve been seeing a vegan and my best friend is one too. No problems there. He has never dated a vegan nor has my friend. | |||
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"I've had this conversation with a vegan friend and her answer was yes as she has the consent of the provider of the come. But then again did the poor wee innocent sperm get asked if they were ok being swallowed lol " And you'd have to make sure you use birth control as having kids surely is against vegan principles of more CO2 omissions with sprogs | |||
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"I'm vegan, and this is a pretty silly question- I'd like to think it was intended as a joke. After all, there's a huge difference between killing and taking bodily fluids unnecessarily from animals who don't have any ability to give consent, Vs a consensual sexual act between two people. But to answer it, I personally hate swallowing cum, and I won't do it. But that's not a vegan issue, I just think it's disgusting. So with that, if you liked meat, you’d have no issues of eating venison if the Deer died of natural causes in the wild? Hypothetically... No, I wouldn't be okay with that at all. Animals are living creatures, not commodities for us to use as we see fit. I've got no desire to consume any animal products, but if I did it's as simple as this: animals bodies don't exist for me to use/eat. I've got more respect for other living creatures than that. How about an egg that has been disregarded by a wild hen? I'll put it another way, The bodies of animals and their byproducts are simply not mine to take. I have no right to them. So no. Ah ok, so no honey either? I’m not teasing, just curious.. That's okay, I appreciate you being nice about it, many aren't. No, no honey. I also don't wear silk, wool or leather." I didn't realise Vegans didn't eat Honey, until watching a clip on the news. And don't agree with Sheep shearing either, it was very interesting. I'd like to think the majority on here simply ask questions out of curiosity, rather than teasing as lack of knowledge... Like myself! | |||
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"I'm vegan, and this is a pretty silly question- I'd like to think it was intended as a joke. After all, there's a huge difference between killing and taking bodily fluids unnecessarily from animals who don't have any ability to give consent, Vs a consensual sexual act between two people. But to answer it, I personally hate swallowing cum, and I won't do it. But that's not a vegan issue, I just think it's disgusting. So with that, if you liked meat, you’d have no issues of eating venison if the Deer died of natural causes in the wild? Hypothetically... No, I wouldn't be okay with that at all. Animals are living creatures, not commodities for us to use as we see fit. I've got no desire to consume any animal products, but if I did it's as simple as this: animals bodies don't exist for me to use/eat. I've got more respect for other living creatures than that. How about an egg that has been disregarded by a wild hen? I'll put it another way, The bodies of animals and their byproducts are simply not mine to take. I have no right to them. So no. Ah ok, so no honey either? I’m not teasing, just curious.. That's okay, I appreciate you being nice about it, many aren't. No, no honey. I also don't wear silk, wool or leather. I didn't realise Vegans didn't eat Honey, until watching a clip on the news. And don't agree with Sheep shearing either, it was very interesting. I'd like to think the majority on here simply ask questions out of curiosity, rather than teasing as lack of knowledge... Like myself! " Serious question here, but surely vegans that don’t use honey for “saving the world” reason is contradicting themselves? | |||
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"Also the contradiction here is many vegans are eating plant based food that has been flown/shipped thousands of miles while many a neat eater will be buying locally produced meat. To be an ethically sound vegan you surely have to have solar energy, an electric car, walk to work, your own allotment/veg patch and no kids "Carbon footprint of a carrot is getting crazy | |||
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"so... what do the vegans on the tread think of the "artificially created" meats that are being researched at the moment? As I understand it they are chemically and structurally the same as a piece of meat, but have no connection to any animal. Would you eat this? Cal" I'm against it, the initial cells are taken from an animal and then grown into the meat, weather that animal is slaughtered or not I don't think it's ethical. | |||
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"Also the contradiction here is many vegans are eating plant based food that has been flown/shipped thousands of miles while many a neat eater will be buying locally produced meat. To be an ethically sound vegan you surely have to have solar energy, an electric car, walk to work, your own allotment/veg patch and no kids
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"Also the contradiction here is many vegans are eating plant based food that has been flown/shipped thousands of miles while many a neat eater will be buying locally produced meat. To be an ethically sound vegan you surely have to have solar energy, an electric car, walk to work, your own allotment/veg patch and no kids
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Carbon footprint of a carrot is getting crazy "Carrots don't have feet. Seriously though, there are many different ethical points-of-view, and to do one thing for "ethical reasons" doesn't mean that every ethical viewpoint of everything needs to be considered. Cal | |||
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"Also the contradiction here is many vegans are eating plant based food that has been flown/shipped thousands of miles while many a neat eater will be buying locally produced meat. To be an ethically sound vegan you surely have to have solar energy, an electric car, walk to work, your own allotment/veg patch and no kids
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Carbon footprint of a carrot is getting crazy
Carrots don't have feet.
Kevin has
Seriously though, there are many different ethical points-of-view, and to do one thing for "ethical reasons" doesn't mean that every ethical viewpoint of everything needs to be considered.
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"so... what do the vegans on the tread think of the "artificially created" meats that are being researched at the moment? As I understand it they are chemically and structurally the same as a piece of meat, but have no connection to any animal. Would you eat this? Cal ----- I'm against it, the initial cells are taken from an animal and then grown into the meat, weather that animal is slaughtered or not I don't think it's ethical." what if that step could be bypassed... or based on cells extracted from a willing person? | |||
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"Also the contradiction here is many vegans are eating plant based food that has been flown/shipped thousands of miles while many a neat eater will be buying locally produced meat. To be an ethically sound vegan you surely have to have solar energy, an electric car, walk to work, your own allotment/veg patch and no kids
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Carbon footprint of a carrot is getting crazy
Carrots don't have feet.
Seriously though, there are many different ethical points-of-view, and to do one thing for "ethical reasons" doesn't mean that every ethical viewpoint of everything needs to be considered.
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"so... what do the vegans on the tread think of the "artificially created" meats that are being researched at the moment? As I understand it they are chemically and structurally the same as a piece of meat, but have no connection to any animal. Would you eat this? Cal ----- I'm against it, the initial cells are taken from an animal and then grown into the meat, weather that animal is slaughtered or not I don't think it's ethical. what if that step could be bypassed... or based on cells extracted from a willing person?" If the cells are coming from a person, then that would be human meat, and if the person consents to that then it's ethical in my opinion. But that's completely different to animal lab grown meat. | |||
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"Also the contradiction here is many vegans are eating plant based food that has been flown/shipped thousands of miles while many a neat eater will be buying locally produced meat. To be an ethically sound vegan you surely have to have solar energy, an electric car, walk to work, your own allotment/veg patch and no kids
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Carrots don't have feet.
Seriously though, there are many different ethical points-of-view, and to do one thing for "ethical reasons" doesn't mean that every ethical viewpoint of everything needs to be considered.
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But if your avocado it using more air miles than your locally produced joint of beef what's the point?"For the animals. Veganism is, by definition for he animals. You can't be vegan for any other reason, you can be plant based for the environment, or health, but not vegan. | |||
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"Also the contradiction here is many vegans are eating plant based food that has been flown/shipped thousands of miles while many a neat eater will be buying locally produced meat. To be an ethically sound vegan you surely have to have solar energy, an electric car, walk to work, your own allotment/veg patch and no kids
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"A way of living which seeks to exclude, as far as is possible and practicable, all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose."
Veganism doesn't mean being perfect (ie. Animal derived glues in cars or fabric sofas etc) it just means doing what's practical.
The inability to be ethically perfect in every way isn't an excuse to ridicule those who really are doing everything they can."That's kind of what I was trying to say. Even though I personally would not consider veganism, I applaud those who are willing to stand by their own convictions. Cal | |||
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"Also the contradiction here is many vegans are eating plant based food that has been flown/shipped thousands of miles while many a neat eater will be buying locally produced meat. To be an ethically sound vegan you surely have to have solar energy, an electric car, walk to work, your own allotment/veg patch and no kids
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Carbon footprint of a carrot is getting crazy
Carrots don't have feet.
Seriously though, there are many different ethical points-of-view, and to do one thing for "ethical reasons" doesn't mean that every ethical viewpoint of everything needs to be considered.
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The definition of veganism is,
"A way of living which seeks to exclude, as far as is possible and practicable, all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose."
Veganism doesn't mean being perfect (ie. Animal derived glues in cars or fabric sofas etc) it just means doing what's practical.
The inability to be ethically perfect in every way isn't an excuse to ridicule those who really are doing everything they can." | |||
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"Do vegans swallow cum ?? After all the cum does come from an animal !it's a source of protein but does contain eggs
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"Do vegans swallow cum ?? After all the cum does come from an animal !it's a source of protein but does contain eggs
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"The very contentious argument here is you're vegan for animal rights reasons is how do you know animals feel pain? Scientists don't know!" It's not relevant... but have you ever heard a dog when you've accidentally stepped on it's toes? Many animals definitely feel pain... but that's not the argument behind veganism. | |||
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"The very contentious argument here is you're vegan for animal rights reasons is how do you know animals feel pain? Scientists don't know!" My friends cat has arthritis in its legs she takes medicine to relieve pain with her food but even though she walks like she's d*unk and has really weird Kenny Everett style leg fits she seems happy in herself and eats fine and goes about her life as normal and best she can, no visible signs of pain or not want to climb or explore, she's 17 now | |||
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"The very contentious argument here is you're vegan for animal rights reasons is how do you know animals feel pain? Scientists don't know! Actually they do know. If you'd like to educate yourself, if be happy to provide sources." If you've got some peer reviewed research by doctorates of science, go ahead | |||
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"The very contentious argument here is you're vegan for animal rights reasons is how do you know animals feel pain? Scientists don't know! It's not relevant... but have you ever heard a dog when you've accidentally stepped on it's toes? Many animals definitely feel pain... but that's not the argument behind veganism." We assume they do but we don't know for absolute. Back this up by science and you might have a good argument | |||
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"The very contentious argument here is you're vegan for animal rights reasons is how do you know animals feel pain? Scientists don't know! It's not relevant... but have you ever heard a dog when you've accidentally stepped on it's toes? Many animals definitely feel pain... but that's not the argument behind veganism. We assume they do but we don't know for absolute. Back this up by science and you might have a good argument" Sorry but your proposal is both flawed and perhaps designed to amuse or offend. Humans are animals and mammals and as we feel pain so do horses and cats... Ever seen a moggie in a catfight.. They feel pain.. | |||
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"The very contentious argument here is you're vegan for animal rights reasons is how do you know animals feel pain? Scientists don't know! It's not relevant... but have you ever heard a dog when you've accidentally stepped on it's toes? Many animals definitely feel pain... but that's not the argument behind veganism. We assume they do but we don't know for absolute. Back this up by science and you might have a good argument" Seriously? | |||
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"The very contentious argument here is you're vegan for animal rights reasons is how do you know animals feel pain? Scientists don't know! It's not relevant... but have you ever heard a dog when you've accidentally stepped on it's toes? Many animals definitely feel pain... but that's not the argument behind veganism. We assume they do but we don't know for absolute. Back this up by science and you might have a good argument" It's quite easy to back up what is being said which is Regardless of sciences position on pain vegans choose their lifestyle based upon a wide range of reasons not least important is it makes them feel better or positive The OP question was ignorant, the exchange of human body fluids and reasons behind an individual's veganism have zero correlation. And to suggest such shows both disrespect and lack of knowledge about which he woefully tried to ridicule | |||
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"The very contentious argument here is you're vegan for animal rights reasons is how do you know animals feel pain? Scientists don't know! Actually they do know. If you'd like to educate yourself, if be happy to provide sources. If you've got some peer reviewed research by doctorates of science, go ahead " There's just one, to get you started: https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.2002.221.208?journalCode=javma I'm happy to provide more, if that's not enough for you. Or you could simply ask yourself why you wouldn't kick your pet dog, or why an animal makes that high pitched whine if you accidentally step on a paw or tail.... I really find it unbelievable that you'd need more evidence. It's like you've never spent any time around animals. | |||
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"Obviously we are limited as to which websites we are allowed to post, but this one should be safe enough... https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2016/12/animals-science-medical-pain/ Hope this helps. Cal" This article is flawed with assertion and no evidence to back it up. This is clearly shown by this quote 'So there's some science behind owners' and vets' assertion that "I can see it in their eyes and I can see it in their face,” Brown says.' I have read this and see no scientific evidence and vet's assertion does not give fact that an animal suffers from pain. We assume they do but scientists, I will repeat, do not actually know. | |||
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"The very contentious argument here is you're vegan for animal rights reasons is how do you know animals feel pain? Scientists don't know! Actually they do know. If you'd like to educate yourself, if be happy to provide sources. If you've got some peer reviewed research by doctorates of science, go ahead There's just one, to get you started: https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.2002.221.208?journalCode=javma I'm happy to provide more, if that's not enough for you. Or you could simply ask yourself why you wouldn't kick your pet dog, or why an animal makes that high pitched whine if you accidentally step on a paw or tail.... I really find it unbelievable that you'd need more evidence. It's like you've never spent any time around animals." Do you know any scientists? Do you know what a peer reviewed paper is? Maybe you should research that before showing one document from one person citing claims with no actual evidence | |||
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"The very contentious argument here is you're vegan for animal rights reasons is how do you know animals feel pain? Scientists don't know! Actually they do know. If you'd like to educate yourself, if be happy to provide sources. If you've got some peer reviewed research by doctorates of science, go ahead There's just one, to get you started: https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.2002.221.208?journalCode=javma I'm happy to provide more, if that's not enough for you. Or you could simply ask yourself why you wouldn't kick your pet dog, or why an animal makes that high pitched whine if you accidentally step on a paw or tail.... I really find it unbelievable that you'd need more evidence. It's like you've never spent any time around animals." Please read this before you send unauthorized websites. Thanks. I've got better things to do than educate the uneducated https://undsci.berkeley.edu/article/howscienceworks_16 | |||
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"The very contentious argument here is you're vegan for animal rights reasons is how do you know animals feel pain? Scientists don't know! Actually they do know. If you'd like to educate yourself, if be happy to provide sources. If you've got some peer reviewed research by doctorates of science, go ahead There's just one, to get you started: https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.2002.221.208?journalCode=javma I'm happy to provide more, if that's not enough for you. Or you could simply ask yourself why you wouldn't kick your pet dog, or why an animal makes that high pitched whine if you accidentally step on a paw or tail.... I really find it unbelievable that you'd need more evidence. It's like you've never spent any time around animals. Do you know any scientists? Do you know what a peer reviewed paper is? Maybe you should research that before showing one document from one person citing claims with no actual evidence" I am a scientist myself as it happens, so I know exactly what I'm talking about. I'm going to be sending you a message with more sources. Since you seem determined to be obtuse about this. | |||
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"Troll "Not at all. Just stating fact thanks | |||
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"The very contentious argument here is you're vegan for animal rights reasons is how do you know animals feel pain? Scientists don't know!" there alive why would they not feel pain .. ? | |||
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"Perhaps you can provide the evidence that animals, including humans, do not feel pain ? "Ha ha. That is the point of this. There is NO evidence that scientists know animals feel pain | |||
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"The very contentious argument here is you're vegan for animal rights reasons is how do you know animals feel pain? Scientists don't know!there alive why would they not feel pain .. ? "Being alive as an animal does not assure humans that they do feel pain. We just don't know | |||
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"Perhaps you can provide the evidence that animals, including humans, do not feel pain ?
Ha ha. That is the point of this. There is NO evidence that scientists know animals feel pain"There is absolutely evidence of this. I'm not able to send you a message since I'm outside your age range. If you'd like more sources then do send me a message, and I'll reply. | |||
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"You have no facts.. You are just being silly for the sake of it "That's the point, no-one has facts to say they do | |||
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"Perhaps you can provide the evidence that animals, including humans, do not feel pain ?
Ha ha. That is the point of this. There is NO evidence that scientists know animals feel pain"as said above if you've ever accidentally stood on a dogs foot they feel it !! Dont need to be a doctorate scientist to know that .... proof is in their cries that you can actually hear | |||
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" Being alive as an animal does not assure humans that they do feel pain. We just don't know" I feel pain... And paint yourself into a corner.. | |||
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"Perhaps you can provide the evidence that animals, including humans, do not feel pain ?
Ha ha. That is the point of this. There is NO evidence that scientists know animals feel pain
There is absolutely evidence of this.
I'm not able to send you a message since I'm outside your age range. If you'd like more sources then do send me a message, and I'll reply."I'll happily read as I'll mention yet again from peer reviewed articles from genuine scientists. Not one off assertions from back street scientists. I have done lots of research into this and yet to find evidence based research that says animal feel pain. If you're a true scientist as you say you are then you'd put emotions to one side and agree that there is no evidence. We all want to assume that they do feel pain as most of us are caring humans and won't inflict unnecessary cruelty to animals but finally, scientists DO NOT know if animals feel pain | |||
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"Perhaps you can provide the evidence that animals, including humans, do not feel pain ?
Ha ha. That is the point of this. There is NO evidence that scientists know animals feel painas said above if you've ever accidentally stood on a dogs foot they feel it !! Dont need to be a doctorate scientist to know that .... proof is in their cries that you can actually hear "all mammals share the same nervous system, neurochemicals, perceptions, and emotions, all of which are integrated into the experience of pain. They feel it just like we do | |||
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"Perhaps you can provide the evidence that animals, including humans, do not feel pain ?
Ha ha. That is the point of this. There is NO evidence that scientists know animals feel painas said above if you've ever accidentally stood on a dogs foot they feel it !! Dont need to be a doctorate scientist to know that .... proof is in their cries that you can actually hear "That's not scientific proof. You assume they do based on your emotional response to its noise | |||
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"Perhaps you can provide the evidence that animals, including humans, do not feel pain ?
Ha ha. That is the point of this. There is NO evidence that scientists know animals feel painas said above if you've ever accidentally stood on a dogs foot they feel it !! Dont need to be a doctorate scientist to know that .... proof is in their cries that you can actually hear
That's not scientific proof. You assume they do based on your emotional response to its noise "well it's not trying to say thank you I enjoyed that please stand on me again | |||
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"Perhaps you can provide the evidence that animals, including humans, do not feel pain ?
Ha ha. That is the point of this. There is NO evidence that scientists know animals feel painas said above if you've ever accidentally stood on a dogs foot they feel it !! Dont need to be a doctorate scientist to know that .... proof is in their cries that you can actually hear all mammals share the same nervous system, neurochemicals, perceptions, and emotions, all of which are integrated into the experience of pain. They feel it just like we do"I'm going round in circles here. There is no evidence! How do you know animals have emotions scientifically? | |||
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Ha ha. That is the point of this. There is NO evidence that scientists know animals feel painas said above if you've ever accidentally stood on a dogs foot they feel it !! Dont need to be a doctorate scientist to know that .... proof is in their cries that you can actually hear all mammals share the same nervous system, neurochemicals, perceptions, and emotions, all of which are integrated into the experience of pain. They feel it just like we do
I'm going round in circles here. There is no evidence! How do you know animals have emotions scientifically? "I've had animals all my life dogs especially they know when your dad they know when you happy there happy when you play walk feed stroke tickle them they know .. there not rocks that just sit on the sofa or in a field. Have you ever met an animal ?? | |||
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"Perhaps you can provide the evidence that animals, including humans, do not feel pain ?
Ha ha. That is the point of this. There is NO evidence that scientists know animals feel painas said above if you've ever accidentally stood on a dogs foot they feel it !! Dont need to be a doctorate scientist to know that .... proof is in their cries that you can actually hear all mammals share the same nervous system, neurochemicals, perceptions, and emotions, all of which are integrated into the experience of pain. They feel it just like we do
I'm going round in circles here. There is no evidence! How do you know animals have emotions scientifically? "What exactly would you class as evidence? Does the animal have to tell the scientist it hurts or that it has an emotion? I find it incredible that anyone truly thinks that because there isn’t any scientific paper somewhere to prove it, that animals feel no pain and have no emotion. This has to be trolling | |||
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"Crimson, lock your dog in a car on a hot day and get out in front of the beak and tell the judge that there is no evidence that dogs feel pain.. Good luck with that one.. " They might die but do you know your dog felt pain? Your response is anthropomorphic. We think an animal usually with a face feels pain but we don't know, we assume | |||
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"The whole vegan campaign is ridiculous and illogical, that i agree even as a fellow vegan. However to say animals dont feel pain is ridiculous and just stupid. Pain is part of survival instincts and all animals have a pain response for survival. One big clue is having a nervous system. Trying to devunk the ridiculous vegan ideologues with ridiculous counter arguements is just silly" Where's the scientific evidence? | |||
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"Crimson, lock your dog in a car on a hot day and get out in front of the beak and tell the judge that there is no evidence that dogs feel pain.. Good luck with that one.. They might die but do you know your dog felt pain? Your response is anthropomorphic. We think an animal usually with a face feels pain but we don't know, we assume" And again.. what would the judge and jury say.. ? | |||
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"The whole vegan campaign is ridiculous and illogical, that i agree even as a fellow vegan. However to say animals dont feel pain is ridiculous and just stupid. Pain is part of survival instincts and all animals have a pain response for survival. One big clue is having a nervous system. Trying to devunk the ridiculous vegan ideologues with ridiculous counter arguements is just silly Where's the scientific evidence? " People have shown you websites. Also emotions is a part of psychology. Psychology is the study of behaviour, did you know that? Have you studied animals cos if you do you see emotions as again its part of survival. Hence why swans mate for life. Also as i said, what do you think the nervous system does? Why do animals cry out if you hurt them? Youre ridiculous | |||
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"The whole vegan campaign is ridiculous and illogical, that i agree even as a fellow vegan. However to say animals dont feel pain is ridiculous and just stupid. Pain is part of survival instincts and all animals have a pain response for survival. One big clue is having a nervous system. Trying to devunk the ridiculous vegan ideologues with ridiculous counter arguements is just silly Where's the scientific evidence? People have shown you websites. Also emotions is a part of psychology. Psychology is the study of behaviour, did you know that? Have you studied animals cos if you do you see emotions as again its part of survival. Hence why swans mate for life. Also as i said, what do you think the nervous system does? Why do animals cry out if you hurt them? Youre ridiculous" they were by the wrong scientists though | |||
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"The whole vegan campaign is ridiculous and illogical, that i agree even as a fellow vegan. However to say animals dont feel pain is ridiculous and just stupid. Pain is part of survival instincts and all animals have a pain response for survival. One big clue is having a nervous system. Trying to devunk the ridiculous vegan ideologues with ridiculous counter arguements is just silly Where's the scientific evidence? People have shown you websites. Also emotions is a part of psychology. Psychology is the study of behaviour, did you know that? Have you studied animals cos if you do you see emotions as again its part of survival. Hence why swans mate for life. Also as i said, what do you think the nervous system does? Why do animals cry out if you hurt them? Youre ridiculousthey were by the wrong scientists though "I guess common sense and logic means nothing to then by the fact animals react to pain | |||
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"Mammals including ourselves have a complex nervous system that includes pain receptors as well as all the other receptors (pressure, temperature, light etc). It is nonsense to suggest they don't feel pain just because you claim there isn't a scientific paper to evidence this. Why give anesthetics to animals having operations? Why are there pet painkillers? Nonsense argument towards vegans " no no no this cant be true theres no paper to show it ... must be a government money making scheme to get more Money out of people who love their pets | |||
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"The whole vegan campaign is ridiculous and illogical, that i agree even as a fellow vegan. However to say animals dont feel pain is ridiculous and just stupid. Pain is part of survival instincts and all animals have a pain response for survival. One big clue is having a nervous system. Trying to devunk the ridiculous vegan ideologues with ridiculous counter arguements is just silly Where's the scientific evidence? People have shown you websites. Also emotions is a part of psychology. Psychology is the study of behaviour, did you know that? Have you studied animals cos if you do you see emotions as again its part of survival. Hence why swans mate for life. Also as i said, what do you think the nervous system does? Why do animals cry out if you hurt them? Youre ridiculousthey were by the wrong scientists though
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"Do vegans swallow cum ?? After all the cum does come from an animal !it's a source of protein but does contain eggs
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"If the best you all can do is use give ad hominem arguments then I can't be fucked. To finally say, I wouldn't harm an animal but all we know is they may feel some rudimentary sensation but no-one knows if it's the same as humans. If most animals were more sophisticated they'd be eating humans all the time. They don't give a shit about us ha ha. Most of you on this have been altruistic but yet to show the evidence. " Of course you have a point.. Why not lay beartraps and snares and when prosecuted tell the judge that animals don't feel pain.. Answer that one please | |||
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"If the best you all can do is use give ad hominem arguments then I can't be fucked. To finally say, I wouldn't harm an animal but all we know is they may feel some rudimentary sensation but no-one knows if it's the same as humans. If most animals were more sophisticated they'd be eating humans all the time. They don't give a shit about us ha ha. Most of you on this have been altruistic but yet to show the evidence. " but do you have scientific evidence of this how do we know that most of us have been altruistic ? | |||
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"If the best you all can do is use give ad hominem arguments then I can't be fucked. To finally say, I wouldn't harm an animal but all we know is they may feel some rudimentary sensation but no-one knows if it's the same as humans. If most animals were more sophisticated they'd be eating humans all the time. They don't give a shit about us ha ha. Most of you on this have been altruistic but yet to show the evidence. Of course you have a point.. Why not lay beartraps and snares and when prosecuted tell the judge that animals don't feel pain.. Answer that one please" That's why scientists haven't done this and why wouldn't be ethical for research onto why animals do or don't feel pain. Science is also governed by laws and morals with a touch of philosophy thankfully. But also it is socially acceptable to butcher western domestic animals in eastern countries therefore morals and laws differ wherever you live. If you read my responses I've never advocated animal cruelty but merely pointed out we don't know if animals feel pain. | |||
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"Obviously we are limited as to which websites we are allowed to post, but this one should be safe enough... https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2016/12/animals-science-medical-pain/ Hope this helps. Cal This article is flawed with assertion and no evidence to back it up. This is clearly shown by this quote 'So there's some science behind owners' and vets' assertion that "I can see it in their eyes and I can see it in their face,” Brown says.' I have read this and see no scientific evidence and vet's assertion does not give fact that an animal suffers from pain. We assume they do but scientists, I will repeat, do not actually know. " Is this post a joke surely you cannot believe that animals don’t feel pain. Have you had any contact with any animals at all. I can assure you just because a cat or dog can’t say “Ouch that fucking hurt” they most definitely feel pain just the same as we do. | |||
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"If the best you all can do is use give ad hominem arguments then I can't be fucked. To finally say, I wouldn't harm an animal but all we know is they may feel some rudimentary sensation but no-one knows if it's the same as humans. If most animals were more sophisticated they'd be eating humans all the time. They don't give a shit about us ha ha. Most of you on this have been altruistic but yet to show the evidence. but do you have scientific evidence of this how do we know that most of us have been altruistic ? " Basic Darwinism makes most humans altruistic - it's in our best interests to be so | |||
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"If the best you all can do is use give ad hominem arguments then I can't be fucked. To finally say, I wouldn't harm an animal but all we know is they may feel some rudimentary sensation but no-one knows if it's the same as humans. If most animals were more sophisticated they'd be eating humans all the time. They don't give a shit about us ha ha. Most of you on this have been altruistic but yet to show the evidence. Of course you have a point.. Why not lay beartraps and snares and when prosecuted tell the judge that animals don't feel pain.. Answer that one please That's why scientists haven't done this and why wouldn't be ethical for research onto why animals do or don't feel pain. Science is also governed by laws and morals with a touch of philosophy thankfully. But also it is socially acceptable to butcher western domestic animals in eastern countries therefore morals and laws differ wherever you live. If you read my responses I've never advocated animal cruelty but merely pointed out we don't know if animals feel pain. " And you haven't answered how this would stand up in court | |||
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"If the best you all can do is use give ad hominem arguments then I can't be fucked. To finally say, I wouldn't harm an animal but all we know is they may feel some rudimentary sensation but no-one knows if it's the same as humans. If most animals were more sophisticated they'd be eating humans all the time. They don't give a shit about us ha ha. Most of you on this have been altruistic but yet to show the evidence. Of course you have a point.. Why not lay beartraps and snares and when prosecuted tell the judge that animals don't feel pain.. Answer that one please That's why scientists haven't done this and why wouldn't be ethical for research onto why animals do or don't feel pain. Science is also governed by laws and morals with a touch of philosophy thankfully. But also it is socially acceptable to butcher western domestic animals in eastern countries therefore morals and laws differ wherever you live. If you read my responses I've never advocated animal cruelty but merely pointed out we don't know if animals feel pain. And you haven't answered how this would stand up in court "The law doesn't state that animals feel pain, merely make moral judgements therefore this isn't a counter arguments to my original point that science doesn't know that animals feel pain. Hunting is legal in different countries therefore globally the law is subjective to different cultural and ethical belief systems. | |||
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"If the best you all can do is use give ad hominem arguments then I can't be fucked. To finally say, I wouldn't harm an animal but all we know is they may feel some rudimentary sensation but no-one knows if it's the same as humans. If most animals were more sophisticated they'd be eating humans all the time. They don't give a shit about us ha ha. Most of you on this have been altruistic but yet to show the evidence. Of course you have a point.. Why not lay beartraps and snares and when prosecuted tell the judge that animals don't feel pain.. Answer that one please That's why scientists haven't done this and why wouldn't be ethical for research onto why animals do or don't feel pain. Science is also governed by laws and morals with a touch of philosophy thankfully. But also it is socially acceptable to butcher western domestic animals in eastern countries therefore morals and laws differ wherever you live. If you read my responses I've never advocated animal cruelty but merely pointed out we don't know if animals feel pain. And you haven't answered how this would stand up in court
The law doesn't state that animals feel pain, merely make moral judgements therefore this isn't a counter arguments to my original point that science doesn't know that animals feel pain.
Hunting is legal in different countries therefore globally the law is subjective to different cultural and ethical belief systems. "Is there any scientific evidence to say that animals don’t feel pain. | |||
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"If the best you all can do is use give ad hominem arguments then I can't be fucked. To finally say, I wouldn't harm an animal but all we know is they may feel some rudimentary sensation but no-one knows if it's the same as humans. If most animals were more sophisticated they'd be eating humans all the time. They don't give a shit about us ha ha. Most of you on this have been altruistic but yet to show the evidence. Of course you have a point.. Why not lay beartraps and snares and when prosecuted tell the judge that animals don't feel pain.. Answer that one please That's why scientists haven't done this and why wouldn't be ethical for research onto why animals do or don't feel pain. Science is also governed by laws and morals with a touch of philosophy thankfully. But also it is socially acceptable to butcher western domestic animals in eastern countries therefore morals and laws differ wherever you live. If you read my responses I've never advocated animal cruelty but merely pointed out we don't know if animals feel pain. And you haven't answered how this would stand up in court
The law doesn't state that animals feel pain, merely make moral judgements therefore this isn't a counter arguments to my original point that science doesn't know that animals feel pain.
Hunting is legal in different countries therefore globally the law is subjective to different cultural and ethical belief systems. "So guilty as charged... NEXT ... | |||
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"If the best you all can do is use give ad hominem arguments then I can't be fucked. To finally say, I wouldn't harm an animal but all we know is they may feel some rudimentary sensation but no-one knows if it's the same as humans. If most animals were more sophisticated they'd be eating humans all the time. They don't give a shit about us ha ha. Most of you on this have been altruistic but yet to show the evidence. Of course you have a point.. Why not lay beartraps and snares and when prosecuted tell the judge that animals don't feel pain.. Answer that one please That's why scientists haven't done this and why wouldn't be ethical for research onto why animals do or don't feel pain. Science is also governed by laws and morals with a touch of philosophy thankfully. But also it is socially acceptable to butcher western domestic animals in eastern countries therefore morals and laws differ wherever you live. If you read my responses I've never advocated animal cruelty but merely pointed out we don't know if animals feel pain. And you haven't answered how this would stand up in court
The law doesn't state that animals feel pain, merely make moral judgements therefore this isn't a counter arguments to my original point that science doesn't know that animals feel pain.
Hunting is legal in different countries therefore globally the law is subjective to different cultural and ethical belief systems.
So guilty as charged...
NEXT ... "Still doesn't answer my original question that no-one knows if animal feel pain. Doesn't mean to say people will go out intentionally to harm animals because we don't know. Most people have moral upstanding to stop this. What's your point? | |||
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"If the best you all can do is use give ad hominem arguments then I can't be fucked. To finally say, I wouldn't harm an animal but all we know is they may feel some rudimentary sensation but no-one knows if it's the same as humans. If most animals were more sophisticated they'd be eating humans all the time. They don't give a shit about us ha ha. Most of you on this have been altruistic but yet to show the evidence. Of course you have a point.. Why not lay beartraps and snares and when prosecuted tell the judge that animals don't feel pain.. Answer that one please That's why scientists haven't done this and why wouldn't be ethical for research onto why animals do or don't feel pain. Science is also governed by laws and morals with a touch of philosophy thankfully. But also it is socially acceptable to butcher western domestic animals in eastern countries therefore morals and laws differ wherever you live. If you read my responses I've never advocated animal cruelty but merely pointed out we don't know if animals feel pain. And you haven't answered how this would stand up in court
The law doesn't state that animals feel pain, merely make moral judgements therefore this isn't a counter arguments to my original point that science doesn't know that animals feel pain.
Hunting is legal in different countries therefore globally the law is subjective to different cultural and ethical belief systems. "Im saying this seriously, do you need help? Why do you keep saying something that is so obviously not true if it isnt to get a reaction? Is this someone way to deal with issues inside you? All The proof Is here https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/science-and-health/2017/1/23/14325172/animals-feel-pain-biologist https://www.google.com/amp/s/relay.nationalgeographic.com/proxy/distribution/public/amp/news/2016/12/animals-science-medical-pain https://bigthink.com/surprising-science/do-animals-feel-pain https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/fish-feel-pain-180967764/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/inews.co.uk/news/science/animals-feelings-heres-science-prove/amp/ What more evidence do you need? | |||
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"If the best you all can do is use give ad hominem arguments then I can't be fucked. To finally say, I wouldn't harm an animal but all we know is they may feel some rudimentary sensation but no-one knows if it's the same as humans. If most animals were more sophisticated they'd be eating humans all the time. They don't give a shit about us ha ha. Most of you on this have been altruistic but yet to show the evidence. Of course you have a point.. Why not lay beartraps and snares and when prosecuted tell the judge that animals don't feel pain.. Answer that one please That's why scientists haven't done this and why wouldn't be ethical for research onto why animals do or don't feel pain. Science is also governed by laws and morals with a touch of philosophy thankfully. But also it is socially acceptable to butcher western domestic animals in eastern countries therefore morals and laws differ wherever you live. If you read my responses I've never advocated animal cruelty but merely pointed out we don't know if animals feel pain. And you haven't answered how this would stand up in court
The law doesn't state that animals feel pain, merely make moral judgements therefore this isn't a counter arguments to my original point that science doesn't know that animals feel pain.
Hunting is legal in different countries therefore globally the law is subjective to different cultural and ethical belief systems. "so british animals feel pain but other countryside animals dont | |||
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"If the best you all can do is use give ad hominem arguments then I can't be fucked. To finally say, I wouldn't harm an animal but all we know is they may feel some rudimentary sensation but no-one knows if it's the same as humans. If most animals were more sophisticated they'd be eating humans all the time. They don't give a shit about us ha ha. Most of you on this have been altruistic but yet to show the evidence. Of course you have a point.. Why not lay beartraps and snares and when prosecuted tell the judge that animals don't feel pain.. Answer that one please That's why scientists haven't done this and why wouldn't be ethical for research onto why animals do or don't feel pain. Science is also governed by laws and morals with a touch of philosophy thankfully. But also it is socially acceptable to butcher western domestic animals in eastern countries therefore morals and laws differ wherever you live. If you read my responses I've never advocated animal cruelty but merely pointed out we don't know if animals feel pain. And you haven't answered how this would stand up in court
The law doesn't state that animals feel pain, merely make moral judgements therefore this isn't a counter arguments to my original point that science doesn't know that animals feel pain.
Hunting is legal in different countries therefore globally the law is subjective to different cultural and ethical belief systems.
Im saying this seriously, do you need help?
Why do you keep saying something that is so obviously not true if it isnt to get a reaction? Is this someone way to deal with issues inside you?
All The proof Is here
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/science-and-health/2017/1/23/14325172/animals-feel-pain-biologist
https://www.google.com/amp/s/relay.nationalgeographic.com/proxy/distribution/public/amp/news/2016/12/animals-science-medical-pain
https://bigthink.com/surprising-science/do-animals-feel-pain
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/fish-feel-pain-180967764/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/inews.co.uk/news/science/animals-feelings-heres-science-prove/amp/
What more evidence do you need?"Anyone who has ever had even the slightest contact with an animal knows they can feel pain it’s crazy to think they can’t. Had a cat for 7 years he gets in everything so occasionally he gets paws or tail stood on the fucking noise he makes is not one of pleasure and comfort like when he purrs during being petted. He screeches out and runs away so pretty damn sure he feels pain. | |||
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"If the best you all can do is use give ad hominem arguments then I can't be fucked. To finally say, I wouldn't harm an animal but all we know is they may feel some rudimentary sensation but no-one knows if it's the same as humans. If most animals were more sophisticated they'd be eating humans all the time. They don't give a shit about us ha ha. Most of you on this have been altruistic but yet to show the evidence. Of course you have a point.. Why not lay beartraps and snares and when prosecuted tell the judge that animals don't feel pain.. Answer that one please That's why scientists haven't done this and why wouldn't be ethical for research onto why animals do or don't feel pain. Science is also governed by laws and morals with a touch of philosophy thankfully. But also it is socially acceptable to butcher western domestic animals in eastern countries therefore morals and laws differ wherever you live. If you read my responses I've never advocated animal cruelty but merely pointed out we don't know if animals feel pain. And you haven't answered how this would stand up in court
The law doesn't state that animals feel pain, merely make moral judgements therefore this isn't a counter arguments to my original point that science doesn't know that animals feel pain.
Hunting is legal in different countries therefore globally the law is subjective to different cultural and ethical belief systems.
Im saying this seriously, do you need help?
Why do you keep saying something that is so obviously not true if it isnt to get a reaction? Is this someone way to deal with issues inside you?
All The proof Is here
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/science-and-health/2017/1/23/14325172/animals-feel-pain-biologist
https://www.google.com/amp/s/relay.nationalgeographic.com/proxy/distribution/public/amp/news/2016/12/animals-science-medical-pain
https://bigthink.com/surprising-science/do-animals-feel-pain
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/fish-feel-pain-180967764/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/inews.co.uk/news/science/animals-feelings-heres-science-prove/amp/
What more evidence do you need?"More please. These are independent articles from non peer reviewed articles. May I suggest you take some time to research how science shows facts with vigorous testing over long periods of time and validated by other professionals. None of these articles have been peer reviewed. If I Google 'Does God exist?' then I'll find what I want. Please speak to a practising peer reviewed scientist then I'm more than happy to discuss this further with more intellectual rigour | |||
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"My point is that you could go to jail, not for your beliefs, but for your nonsense defence.. "I never said I advocating killing animals for my own personal pleasure. Thanks for your strawman argument | |||
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"If the best you all can do is use give ad hominem arguments then I can't be fucked. To finally say, I wouldn't harm an animal but all we know is they may feel some rudimentary sensation but no-one knows if it's the same as humans. If most animals were more sophisticated they'd be eating humans all the time. They don't give a shit about us ha ha. Most of you on this have been altruistic but yet to show the evidence. Of course you have a point.. Why not lay beartraps and snares and when prosecuted tell the judge that animals don't feel pain.. Answer that one please That's why scientists haven't done this and why wouldn't be ethical for research onto why animals do or don't feel pain. Science is also governed by laws and morals with a touch of philosophy thankfully. But also it is socially acceptable to butcher western domestic animals in eastern countries therefore morals and laws differ wherever you live. If you read my responses I've never advocated animal cruelty but merely pointed out we don't know if animals feel pain. And you haven't answered how this would stand up in court
The law doesn't state that animals feel pain, merely make moral judgements therefore this isn't a counter arguments to my original point that science doesn't know that animals feel pain.
Hunting is legal in different countries therefore globally the law is subjective to different cultural and ethical belief systems.
So guilty as charged...
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Still doesn't answer my original question that no-one knows if animal feel pain. Doesn't mean to say people will go out intentionally to harm animals because we don't know. Most people have moral upstanding to stop this. What's your point?"Surely you’re not being serious? | |||
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"If the best you all can do is use give ad hominem arguments then I can't be fucked. To finally say, I wouldn't harm an animal but all we know is they may feel some rudimentary sensation but no-one knows if it's the same as humans. If most animals were more sophisticated they'd be eating humans all the time. They don't give a shit about us ha ha. Most of you on this have been altruistic but yet to show the evidence. Of course you have a point.. Why not lay beartraps and snares and when prosecuted tell the judge that animals don't feel pain.. Answer that one please That's why scientists haven't done this and why wouldn't be ethical for research onto why animals do or don't feel pain. Science is also governed by laws and morals with a touch of philosophy thankfully. But also it is socially acceptable to butcher western domestic animals in eastern countries therefore morals and laws differ wherever you live. If you read my responses I've never advocated animal cruelty but merely pointed out we don't know if animals feel pain. And you haven't answered how this would stand up in court
The law doesn't state that animals feel pain, merely make moral judgements therefore this isn't a counter arguments to my original point that science doesn't know that animals feel pain.
Hunting is legal in different countries therefore globally the law is subjective to different cultural and ethical belief systems.
Im saying this seriously, do you need help?
Why do you keep saying something that is so obviously not true if it isnt to get a reaction? Is this someone way to deal with issues inside you?
All The proof Is here
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/science-and-health/2017/1/23/14325172/animals-feel-pain-biologist
https://www.google.com/amp/s/relay.nationalgeographic.com/proxy/distribution/public/amp/news/2016/12/animals-science-medical-pain
https://bigthink.com/surprising-science/do-animals-feel-pain
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/fish-feel-pain-180967764/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/inews.co.uk/news/science/animals-feelings-heres-science-prove/amp/
What more evidence do you need?
More please. These are independent articles from non peer reviewed articles. May I suggest you take some time to research how science shows facts with vigorous testing over long periods of time and validated by other professionals. None of these articles have been peer reviewed. If I Google 'Does God exist?' then I'll find what I want. Please speak to a practising peer reviewed scientist then I'm more than happy to discuss this further with more intellectual rigour "How do you explain an animals response to any injury if it feels no pain why cry out and run pretty sure it’s feeling something. | |||
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"If the best you all can do is use give ad hominem arguments then I can't be fucked. To finally say, I wouldn't harm an animal but all we know is they may feel some rudimentary sensation but no-one knows if it's the same as humans. If most animals were more sophisticated they'd be eating humans all the time. They don't give a shit about us ha ha. Most of you on this have been altruistic but yet to show the evidence. Of course you have a point.. Why not lay beartraps and snares and when prosecuted tell the judge that animals don't feel pain.. Answer that one please That's why scientists haven't done this and why wouldn't be ethical for research onto why animals do or don't feel pain. Science is also governed by laws and morals with a touch of philosophy thankfully. But also it is socially acceptable to butcher western domestic animals in eastern countries therefore morals and laws differ wherever you live. If you read my responses I've never advocated animal cruelty but merely pointed out we don't know if animals feel pain. And you haven't answered how this would stand up in court
The law doesn't state that animals feel pain, merely make moral judgements therefore this isn't a counter arguments to my original point that science doesn't know that animals feel pain.
Hunting is legal in different countries therefore globally the law is subjective to different cultural and ethical belief systems.
Im saying this seriously, do you need help?
Why do you keep saying something that is so obviously not true if it isnt to get a reaction? Is this someone way to deal with issues inside you?
All The proof Is here
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/science-and-health/2017/1/23/14325172/animals-feel-pain-biologist
https://www.google.com/amp/s/relay.nationalgeographic.com/proxy/distribution/public/amp/news/2016/12/animals-science-medical-pain
https://bigthink.com/surprising-science/do-animals-feel-pain
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/fish-feel-pain-180967764/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/inews.co.uk/news/science/animals-feelings-heres-science-prove/amp/
What more evidence do you need?
More please. These are independent articles from non peer reviewed articles. May I suggest you take some time to research how science shows facts with vigorous testing over long periods of time and validated by other professionals. None of these articles have been peer reviewed. If I Google 'Does God exist?' then I'll find what I want. Please speak to a practising peer reviewed scientist then I'm more than happy to discuss this further with more intellectual rigour "One of the sites is the national geographic.. get real | |||
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"If the best you all can do is use give ad hominem arguments then I can't be fucked. To finally say, I wouldn't harm an animal but all we know is they may feel some rudimentary sensation but no-one knows if it's the same as humans. If most animals were more sophisticated they'd be eating humans all the time. They don't give a shit about us ha ha. Most of you on this have been altruistic but yet to show the evidence. Of course you have a point.. Why not lay beartraps and snares and when prosecuted tell the judge that animals don't feel pain.. Answer that one please That's why scientists haven't done this and why wouldn't be ethical for research onto why animals do or don't feel pain. Science is also governed by laws and morals with a touch of philosophy thankfully. But also it is socially acceptable to butcher western domestic animals in eastern countries therefore morals and laws differ wherever you live. If you read my responses I've never advocated animal cruelty but merely pointed out we don't know if animals feel pain. And you haven't answered how this would stand up in court
The law doesn't state that animals feel pain, merely make moral judgements therefore this isn't a counter arguments to my original point that science doesn't know that animals feel pain.
Hunting is legal in different countries therefore globally the law is subjective to different cultural and ethical belief systems.
So guilty as charged...
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Still doesn't answer my original question that no-one knows if animal feel pain. Doesn't mean to say people will go out intentionally to harm animals because we don't know. Most people have moral upstanding to stop this. What's your point?
Surely you’re not being serious? "I'm coming from a purely scientific point of view not an emotional one. People feel morally responsible for mainly domestic animals as they have an emotional connection to them usually as they have a human like face. Although that won't stop them eating a slab of beef as they've not been privy to the slaughter of it therefore disconnecting themselves from killing. | |||
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"If the best you all can do is use give ad hominem arguments then I can't be fucked. To finally say, I wouldn't harm an animal but all we know is they may feel some rudimentary sensation but no-one knows if it's the same as humans. If most animals were more sophisticated they'd be eating humans all the time. They don't give a shit about us ha ha. Most of you on this have been altruistic but yet to show the evidence. Of course you have a point.. Why not lay beartraps and snares and when prosecuted tell the judge that animals don't feel pain.. Answer that one please That's why scientists haven't done this and why wouldn't be ethical for research onto why animals do or don't feel pain. Science is also governed by laws and morals with a touch of philosophy thankfully. But also it is socially acceptable to butcher western domestic animals in eastern countries therefore morals and laws differ wherever you live. If you read my responses I've never advocated animal cruelty but merely pointed out we don't know if animals feel pain. And you haven't answered how this would stand up in court
The law doesn't state that animals feel pain, merely make moral judgements therefore this isn't a counter arguments to my original point that science doesn't know that animals feel pain.
Hunting is legal in different countries therefore globally the law is subjective to different cultural and ethical belief systems.
Im saying this seriously, do you need help?
Why do you keep saying something that is so obviously not true if it isnt to get a reaction? Is this someone way to deal with issues inside you?
All The proof Is here
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/science-and-health/2017/1/23/14325172/animals-feel-pain-biologist
https://www.google.com/amp/s/relay.nationalgeographic.com/proxy/distribution/public/amp/news/2016/12/animals-science-medical-pain
https://bigthink.com/surprising-science/do-animals-feel-pain
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/fish-feel-pain-180967764/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/inews.co.uk/news/science/animals-feelings-heres-science-prove/amp/
What more evidence do you need?
More please. These are independent articles from non peer reviewed articles. May I suggest you take some time to research how science shows facts with vigorous testing over long periods of time and validated by other professionals. None of these articles have been peer reviewed. If I Google 'Does God exist?' then I'll find what I want. Please speak to a practising peer reviewed scientist then I'm more than happy to discuss this further with more intellectual rigour
One of the sites is the national geographic.. get real"Final time! Not a peer reviewed article! Please read what this means | |||
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"If the best you all can do is use give ad hominem arguments then I can't be fucked. To finally say, I wouldn't harm an animal but all we know is they may feel some rudimentary sensation but no-one knows if it's the same as humans. If most animals were more sophisticated they'd be eating humans all the time. They don't give a shit about us ha ha. Most of you on this have been altruistic but yet to show the evidence. Of course you have a point.. Why not lay beartraps and snares and when prosecuted tell the judge that animals don't feel pain.. Answer that one please That's why scientists haven't done this and why wouldn't be ethical for research onto why animals do or don't feel pain. Science is also governed by laws and morals with a touch of philosophy thankfully. But also it is socially acceptable to butcher western domestic animals in eastern countries therefore morals and laws differ wherever you live. If you read my responses I've never advocated animal cruelty but merely pointed out we don't know if animals feel pain. And you haven't answered how this would stand up in court
The law doesn't state that animals feel pain, merely make moral judgements therefore this isn't a counter arguments to my original point that science doesn't know that animals feel pain.
Hunting is legal in different countries therefore globally the law is subjective to different cultural and ethical belief systems.
So guilty as charged...
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Still doesn't answer my original question that no-one knows if animal feel pain. Doesn't mean to say people will go out intentionally to harm animals because we don't know. Most people have moral upstanding to stop this. What's your point?
Surely you’re not being serious?
I'm coming from a purely scientific point of view not an emotional one. People feel morally responsible for mainly domestic animals as they have an emotional connection to them usually as they have a human like face. Although that won't stop them eating a slab of beef as they've not been privy to the slaughter of it therefore disconnecting themselves from killing. "Your point being ? | |||
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" If you read my responses I've never advocated animal cruelty but merely pointed out we don't know if animals feel pain. " That may be factually accurate but like the Higgs Boson particle enough evidence points to it for us to be pretty confident of it's existence, even before we scientifically prove it. | |||
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" If you read my responses I've never advocated animal cruelty but merely pointed out we don't know if animals feel pain. I would say the fact animals have pain receptors is scientific proof. The fact they react to pain. What more proof can you get? That may be factually accurate but like the Higgs Boson particle enough evidence points to it for us to be pretty confident of it's existence, even before we scientifically prove it. " | |||
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"I have no scientific evidence to prove it but this troll may be a man pretending to be a woman with no meets ever.. All the hallmarks..
Man Troll"Ad hominem as you have no science to disprove. Have a lovely evening | |||
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" If you read my responses I've never advocated animal cruelty but merely pointed out we don't know if animals feel pain. That may be factually accurate but like the Higgs Boson particle enough evidence points to it for us to be pretty confident of it's existence, even before we scientifically prove it. " Strawman argument but yet to give accuracy to what I said | |||
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"Bye Man Troll "I look forward to your peer led reviews when scientists show that animals do feel pain and you acknowledge women aren't always trolls | |||
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" If you read my responses I've never advocated animal cruelty but merely pointed out we don't know if animals feel pain. ? That may be factually accurate but like the Higgs Boson particle enough evidence points to it for us to be pretty confident of it's existence, even before we scientifically prove it. Strawman argument but yet to give accuracy to what I said" Do you have scientific evidence to say they dont experience pain? Also youve ignored my questions. At least answer why an animal reacts to pain the same way a human does | |||
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"Bye Man Troll
I look forward to your peer led reviews when scientists show that animals do feel pain and you acknowledge women aren't always trolls "Show scientific proof animals can’t feel pain | |||
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"Bye Man Troll
I look forward to your peer led reviews when scientists show that animals do feel pain and you acknowledge women aren't always trolls "So scientists havent proved they dont feel pain? So the evidence of their reactions and the fact they have pain receptors means nothing? | |||
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"Bye Man Troll
I look forward to your peer led reviews when scientists show that animals do feel pain and you acknowledge women aren't always trolls
So scientists havent proved they dont feel pain?
So the evidence of their reactions and the fact they have pain receptors means nothing?"Can man trolls feel pain or are they too stupid | |||
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" If you read my responses I've never advocated animal cruelty but merely pointed out we don't know if animals feel pain. That may be factually accurate but like the Higgs Boson particle enough evidence points to it for us to be pretty confident of it's existence, even before we scientifically prove it. Strawman argument but yet to give accuracy to what I said" Oh I wasn't arguing, just enjoying the chat my lovely. | |||
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"So explain why an animal cries out when experiencing pain? Explain why animals have pain receivers in their nervous system? Explain why animals are used in the research for pain medication for humans? Explain why the websites mention research that has been done proving they do? Explain why animals are given pain relief and why that pain relief changes their behaviour as if not in pain anymore the same as a human would? Are you actually this dense? Have you ever met an animal? " apparently none of that counts it's not done by the correct scientists | |||
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" If you read my responses I've never advocated animal cruelty but merely pointed out we don't know if animals feel pain. ? That may be factually accurate but like the Higgs Boson particle enough evidence points to it for us to be pretty confident of it's existence, even before we scientifically prove it. Strawman argument but yet to give accuracy to what I said Do you have scientific evidence to say they dont experience pain? Also youve ignored my questions. At least answer why an animal reacts to pain the same way a human does " its just moking the humans lol | |||
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