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More to the point would any pre-op trans lady want someone untrained waxing her there !
if she was post op it may be different but pre-op I think she is perfectly entitled to say that it is outside her training and therefore refuse (politely of course). |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
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"If a woman has only been trained to wax female genitals, should she have a complaint made against her for saying no to waxing a pre op trans woman?"
Bottom line is no, everyone should have the right to refuse service to anyone else. It's free will and should not be forced to.
That does not mean the reasoning for refusal has to be morally correct or right (and that opinion will differ greatly among people).
Also so long as the refusal is polite and considerate then I don't see any issue at all and definitely no need for a complaint. |
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By *WKinkMan
over a year ago
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"Speaking as a qualified beauty and holistic therapist myself, she has every right to say no. The same right as refusing service in a bar, shop, or anywhere else for that matter. "
Except you can’t refuse to serve someone in a bar/shop because they’ve a penis. |
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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago
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"Speaking as a qualified beauty and holistic therapist myself, she has every right to say no. The same right as refusing service in a bar, shop, or anywhere else for that matter.
Except you can’t refuse to serve someone in a bar/shop because they’ve a penis. "
I was talking generally. Why would you want your male genitals waxed by an untrained person?! |
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If this is what I think it’s about then no.
Why should they be forced to touch something they didn’t train for.
The person who I believe this is about may have some legal worries of their own approaching |
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"If this is what I think it’s about then no.
Why should they be forced to touch something they didn’t train for.
The person who I believe this is about may have some legal worries of their own approaching "
That doesn't sound great. |
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"If a woman has only been trained to wax female genitals, should she have a complaint made against her for saying no to waxing a pre op trans woman?"
No, because its nothing to do with whether you are trans or not, she's not trained to deal with the male genitalia, I imagine it's a lot different and more awkward to do |
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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago
ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL |
"Surely sha HAS to refuse service since she isn't trained? "
It would be dangerous at worst and unprofessional at best to perform a service she's not trained to do. The client would have excellent grounds to sue. |
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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago
ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL |
"If a woman has only been trained to wax female genitals, should she have a complaint made against her for saying no to waxing a pre op trans woman?
No, because its nothing to do with whether you are trans or not, she's not trained to deal with the male genitalia, I imagine it's a lot different and more awkward to do"
It is. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Surely sha HAS to refuse service since she isn't trained?
It would be dangerous at worst and unprofessional at best to perform a service she's not trained to do. The client would have excellent grounds to sue. "
Surely her insurance wouldn't cover her either? |
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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago
ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL |
"Surely sha HAS to refuse service since she isn't trained?
It would be dangerous at worst and unprofessional at best to perform a service she's not trained to do. The client would have excellent grounds to sue.
Surely her insurance wouldn't cover her either? "
No it wouldn't because she has performed a treatment she's not qualified to do. This is why therapists have to keep records for so long, even if they aren't working as a therapist any longer, think it's 7 years. |
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"If a woman has only been trained to wax female genitals, should she have a complaint made against her for saying no to waxing a pre op trans woman?"
I would have said no from a health and safety point of view. |
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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago
ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL |
"If a woman has only been trained to wax female genitals, should she have a complaint made against her for saying no to waxing a pre op trans woman?
I would have said no from a health and safety point of view."
It's a no from every point of view lol. No brainer. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"If a woman has only been trained to wax female genitals, should she have a complaint made against her for saying no to waxing a pre op trans woman?"
Maybe she does not want to wax a willy ? As you are pre op then you’re still a male maybe you’re expecting her to make a special exception for you? |
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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago
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I'm getting the vibe from the original post that it's being portrayed as the therapist is anti trans and trying to stir things up on here. I read the article, Google Daily Mail Jessica Yaniv. I think this maybe be what the OP is referring to. Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong OP.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"More to the point would any pre-op trans lady want someone untrained waxing her there !
if she was post op it may be different but pre-op I think she is perfectly entitled to say that it is outside her training and therefore refuse (politely of course)."
It was in the news this week. She has a right to refuse to do the wax. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Speaking as a qualified beauty and holistic therapist myself, she has every right to say no. The same right as refusing service in a bar, shop, or anywhere else for that matter.
Except you can’t refuse to serve someone in a bar/shop because they’ve a penis. "
You can if they are a penis though |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"a qualified barber wouldn't cut a ladies hair if it was long because they are not trained to do so.
So I can complain when they refuse to cut my long hair? "
Yeah probably, in this day and age you’d probably get compensation and they’d be shut down. Ludicrous |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"a qualified barber wouldn't cut a ladies hair if it was long because they are not trained to do so."
A barber refused to cut my hair once when my hair was short. I apologised for asking, they made a fair point. I didn't make a fuss or go to the papers. |
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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago
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"Speaking as a qualified beauty and holistic therapist myself, she has every right to say no. The same right as refusing service in a bar, shop, or anywhere else for that matter.
Except you can’t refuse to serve someone in a bar/shop because they’ve a penis.
You can if they are a penis though "
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"a qualified barber wouldn't cut a ladies hair if it was long because they are not trained to do so.
So I can complain when they refuse to cut my long hair?
Yeah probably, in this day and age you’d probably get compensation and they’d be shut down. Ludicrous "
Absolutely all because they didn't want to cut your hair wrong  |
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"No ... I would think they have a right to say no to anyone"
I think so too , its a very personal procedure for the professional and the client
Exactly the same as a female client not wishing a male beauty therapist to wax them
Just because it’s a job / service no one should feel they have to - it’s a very easy OP , just find a salon where you all feel comfortable |
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"If it is Jessica Yaniv that is being referenced here, then I would suggest digging a bit more into this individual. It’s all available from web searching
Quite disturbing.
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I was only looking at it from the point of saying no, not delving deeper into the whole human rights court case.
I agree with the posts. That it should be up to the individual person offering the services, whether it is right if they accept or not. |
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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago
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"If it is Jessica Yaniv that is being referenced here, then I would suggest digging a bit more into this individual. It’s all available from web searching
Quite disturbing.
I was only looking at it from the point of saying no, not delving deeper into the whole human rights court case.
I agree with the posts. That it should be up to the individual person offering the services, whether it is right if they accept or not."
Well that's good then, to save anyone delving any deeper, the waxer was a woman working from her own home with small children present, who was then harassed by Jessica/Jonathan for refusing to do intimate waxing on male genitals. Just to get both sides of the story. There is no cause for complaint as stated in your OP. |
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"If it is Jessica Yaniv that is being referenced here, then I would suggest digging a bit more into this individual. It’s all available from web searching
Quite disturbing.
I was only looking at it from the point of saying no, not delving deeper into the whole human rights court case.
I agree with the posts. That it should be up to the individual person offering the services, whether it is right if they accept or not.
Well that's good then, to save anyone delving any deeper, the waxer was a woman working from her own home with small children present, who was then harassed by Jessica/Jonathan for refusing to do intimate waxing on male genitals. Just to get both sides of the story. There is no cause for complaint as stated in your OP. "
No, I was coming from just the article heading of
It's not a hate crime for a woman to feel uncomfortable waxing male genitalia.
I was seeing what others thoughts were in this, seeing as there is such a broad spectrum of society here. |
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"If it is Jessica Yaniv that is being referenced here, then I would suggest digging a bit more into this individual. It’s all available from web searching
Quite disturbing.
I was only looking at it from the point of saying no, not delving deeper into the whole human rights court case.
I agree with the posts. That it should be up to the individual person offering the services, whether it is right if they accept or not."
Yes, there is the court case aspect to this.
Yes the female beauticians have the right to refuse. It is not a human right to have ones genital area waxed.
There is however, in my opinion, something quite sinister about the individual .
She is organising an all-bodies LGBQT2S swim event for 12+ year olds where they are invited to swim topless if they wish - the invitation flyer however includes a note : “for participant privacy and security, parents and/or caregivers are not permitted to attend” |
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"If it is Jessica Yaniv that is being referenced here, then I would suggest digging a bit more into this individual. It’s all available from web searching
Quite disturbing.
I was only looking at it from the point of saying no, not delving deeper into the whole human rights court case.
I agree with the posts. That it should be up to the individual person offering the services, whether it is right if they accept or not.
Yes, there is the court case aspect to this.
Yes the female beauticians have the right to refuse. It is not a human right to have ones genital area waxed.
There is however, in my opinion, something quite sinister about the individual .
She is organising an all-bodies LGBQT2S swim event for 12+ year olds where they are invited to swim topless if they wish - the invitation flyer however includes a note : “for participant privacy and security, parents and/or caregivers are not permitted to attend”"
12?! |
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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago
ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL |
"If it is Jessica Yaniv that is being referenced here, then I would suggest digging a bit more into this individual. It’s all available from web searching
Quite disturbing.
I was only looking at it from the point of saying no, not delving deeper into the whole human rights court case.
I agree with the posts. That it should be up to the individual person offering the services, whether it is right if they accept or not.
Yes, there is the court case aspect to this.
Yes the female beauticians have the right to refuse. It is not a human right to have ones genital area waxed.
There is however, in my opinion, something quite sinister about the individual .
She is organising an all-bodies LGBQT2S swim event for 12+ year olds where they are invited to swim topless if they wish - the invitation flyer however includes a note : “for participant privacy and security, parents and/or caregivers are not permitted to attend”
12?! "
Yes. |
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If it's private, of course you can say no, unless specific equality laws surround it (like tenancy for example). Like those cake people in Northern Ireland, for a private service it just can't be anything else, or common freedoms are just too curtailed.
If you can get your fanny waxed on the NHS it's different. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Easy solution is for Jessica Yaniv to lose the willy and then might stand a chance at getting waxed
But I'm guessing thats not the option they would go for 
It seems it's all about the copensation  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Anyone has the right to refuse service to anyone else for any reason.
I hope they'd do it for good reasons, worrying they'd do something wrong, rather than prejudice. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Speaking as a qualified beauty and holistic therapist myself, she has every right to say no. The same right as refusing service in a bar, shop, or anywhere else for that matter.
Except you can’t refuse to serve someone in a bar/shop because they’ve a penis. "
Yes you can. There is a military club near me. No woman allowed even though woman have served. |
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By *omaMan
over a year ago
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No . . Just because you offer a private business to the public you should never be obliged to give that service to absolutely everyone. . . It's your business and not theirs. You run it as you see fit.
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By *omaMan
over a year ago
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"Easy solution is for Jessica Yaniv to lose the willy and then might stand a chance at getting waxed
But I'm guessing thats not the option they would go for
It seems it's all about the copensation "
Surgery doesn't make a Male into a female . . You can cut and stitch all day long and you are still what your biology tells you . . Fact |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Easy solution is for Jessica Yaniv to lose the willy and then might stand a chance at getting waxed
But I'm guessing thats not the option they would go for
It seems it's all about the copensation
Surgery doesn't make a Male into a female . . You can cut and stitch all day long and you are still what your biology tells you . . Fact "
True but! I do respect a persons right to be what they want to be as long as they don’t expect others to go out of their way to accommodate them.
This is a clear case of grandstanding by the person making the complaint against the the beauty therapist because they already knew that they would be refused.
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"Hopefully this little stunt backfires on the pig, he's a plague to society...waxing or not.
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Absolutely this.
He is one of the most disgusting creatures on this planet. His fixation with young girls as young as 10 and their sanitary products is more than just disturbing.
This swim he is arranging is another attempt by him to act in his usual predatory manner.
An absolute insult to a pig to liken him to one. No animal is as sick as he is  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Hopefully this little stunt backfires on the pig, he's a plague to society...waxing or not.
Absolutely this.
He is one of the most disgusting creatures on this planet. His fixation with young girls as young as 10 and their sanitary products is more than just disturbing.
This swim he is arranging is another attempt by him to act in his usual predatory manner.
An absolute insult to a pig to liken him to one. No animal is as sick as he is "
Oh is it that one!! Yes I agree! |
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