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"Nationalism is a made up concept. It’s not real, so difficult to have pride in. But the cricket team did well yesterday. " Definitely not made up if people believe in it. I’m seeing signs of it everywhere here... | |||
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"Nationalism is a made up concept. It’s not real, so difficult to have pride in. But the cricket team did well yesterday. Definitely not made up if people believe in it. I’m seeing signs of it everywhere here..." Yes it is why Billig coined the term banal nationalism | |||
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"Nationalism is a made up concept. It’s not real, so difficult to have pride in. But the cricket team did well yesterday. Definitely not made up if people believe in it. I’m seeing signs of it everywhere here..." Well, it’s very historical concept, nation - before 19th century it was more about your own class and it’s rights. Noble person from 17th century would say he or she has more in common rather with another noble from other country than a peasant living in the same village. Idea of nation created bigger entity and back in time brought probably more equality within society but antagonised nations and created very dangerous ideology. As you said - being happy with who you are is great. Pride is suspicious for me. | |||
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"Nationalism is a made up concept. It’s not real, so difficult to have pride in. But the cricket team did well yesterday. Definitely not made up if people believe in it. I’m seeing signs of it everywhere here..." Oh, I agree! What I mean is, Englishness isn’t real. It’s a man made concept. A few centuries ago I would have lived in Wessex and had a different king to someone in Leeds. Don’t get me wrong, I like being English, I’m very grateful that through no merit on my part I happen to be born in this place and time. But it’s not something that I’m proud of. | |||
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"I’m always proud to be English " | |||
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Oh if ye want to send Stokes too we will take him | |||
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"anal nationatiolism " Now we're talking, beardy boy | |||
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"anal nationatiolism Now we're talking, beardy boy "Well tbh that definitely could have been something I'd write | |||
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"Can we be proud to be English, at least for a day ,with the heroes at the cricket.. we don't seem to have the pride we once had.. what do you think ?" Yes same goes for Welsh, Irish, Kiwis, Pakistan, West Indian and South African (plus probably a few other nations) as they are all represented in our squad. Thankfully we don't have brexit in the dressing room. So without being political, proud day to be British | |||
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"anal nationatiolism Now we're talking, beardy boy
Well tbh that definitely could have been something I'd write "in shocked I had to correct it for you  | |||
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"Can we be proud to be English, at least for a day ,with the heroes at the cricket.. we don't seem to have the pride we once had.. what do you think ?" I’m pleased England won, but I had no part in them winning, so why would I feel pride. They did it totally off their own backs. Slightly bizarre if anyone takes pride from that who wasn’t involved, it was just an amazing game and great entertainment and drama, cricket was the winner not my pride. | |||
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""I saw a slogan on a guy’s car that said “Proud to be an American.” And I thought, well, what the fuck does that mean? Proud to be an American. You see, I’ve never understood national pride. I’ve never understood ethnic pride. Because I’m Irish, and all four of my grandparents were born in Ireland, so I’m fully Irish. And when I was a kid, I would go to the St. Patrick’s Day parade, and I noticed that they sold a button that said “Proud to be Irish.” And I could never understand that because I knew that on Columbus Day, they sold a different button that said “Proud to be Italian.” Then came black pride and Puerto Rican pride. And I could never understand ethnic or national pride because, to me, pride should be reserved for something you achieve or attain on your own, not something that happens by accident of birth. Being Irish isn’t a skill. It’s a fucking genetic accident. You wouldn’t say, “I’m proud to be 5’11”. I’m proud to have a predisposition for colon cancer. So, why the fuck would you be proud to be Irish or proud to be Italian or American or anything? Hey, if you’re happy with it, that’s fine. Do that. Put that on your car. “Happy to be an American.” Be happy. Don’t be proud. Too much pride as it is. Pride goeth before a fall." A quote from the late (and great) George Carlin." This.. Has to be the most ironic of threads given the make up of the team. Who were amazing yesterday.. | |||
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"I'm Welsh too ". now let's not be mentioning the Six Nations current holders. | |||
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"Nothing wrong with being patriotic but what gets be riled is when the likes of Lewis Hamilton play the patriotic part in front of the British Grand Prix, but live in Monaco to avoid paying any bloody tax! You cannot be a patriotic tax exile!" what patriotic card does he play ? | |||
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"England is one of the most tollerant of countries of other nations and religions,peoples risk their lives/futures trying to live in England,because of this . So yes , I'm proud to be English.England is a country not a concept" All countries are concepts!! | |||
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"England is one of the most tollerant of countries of other nations and religions,peoples risk their lives/futures trying to live in England,because of this . So yes , I'm proud to be English.England is a country not a concept" No sir, you are proud of what England is, which makes you happy to be English. It is also a country that has a past of being one of, if not THE, least tolerant of other countries, cultures, and religions. I'm not saying descendents should be held accountable for their ancestors actions but pride is a fickle and cherry picked thing. Unless you are also proud of England's history, which is in direct conflict of what you are currently taking pride in England now. | |||
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"England is one of the most tollerant of countries of other nations and religions,peoples risk their lives/futures trying to live in England,because of this . So yes , I'm proud to be English.England is a country not a concept All countries are concepts!! " . Concept; 1: an abstract idea 2:a plan or intention 3: an idea or invention to help sell or publicize a commodity | |||
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"England is one of the most tollerant of countries of other nations and religions,peoples risk their lives/futures trying to live in England,because of this . So yes , I'm proud to be English.England is a country not a concept All countries are concepts!! " | |||
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"England is one of the most tollerant of countries of other nations and religions,peoples risk their lives/futures trying to live in England,because of this . So yes , I'm proud to be English.England is a country not a concept All countries are concepts!! . Concept; 1: an abstract idea 2:a plan or intention 3: an idea or invention to help sell or publicize a commodity" Exactly! All countries are abstract ideas. They only exist because people make them up. Countries come and go. They are lined on a map. | |||
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"England is one of the most tollerant of countries of other nations and religions,peoples risk their lives/futures trying to live in England,because of this . So yes , I'm proud to be English.England is a country not a concept No sir, you are proud of what England is, which makes you happy to be English.Which by your own 1st words means I'm proud AND happy..unless the thought police are now in charge.. It is also a country that has a past of being one of, if not THE, least tolerant of other countries, cultures, and religions. I'm not saying descendents should be held accountable for their ancestors actions but pride is a fickle and cherry picked thing. Unless you are also proud of England's history, which is in direct conflict of what you are currently taking pride in England now. " | |||
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"Why do people never seem to realise it was the England AND Wales cricket team that won yesterday. " That's the label but see my post above. Listen to the accents of the players, listen to Ben Stokes Dad talk, he's the biggest All Black you could find. | |||
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"England is one of the most tollerant of countries of other nations and religions,peoples risk their lives/futures trying to live in England,because of this . So yes , I'm proud to be English.England is a country not a concept" All countries are concepts, borders are concepts, look at the planet from space, there is nothing to indicate where one country starts and another begins and if there was it’s still a man made concept. | |||
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"England is one of the most tollerant of countries of other nations and religions,peoples risk their lives/futures trying to live in England,because of this . So yes , I'm proud to be English.England is a country not a concept All countries are concepts!! . Concept; 1: an abstract idea 2:a plan or intention 3: an idea or invention to help sell or publicize a commodity Exactly! All countries are abstract ideas. They only exist because people make them up. Countries come and go. They are lined on a map. " blast i thought England was real not made up. Ah well roll on the next tectonic plate shift | |||
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"Nationalism is a made up concept. It’s not real, so difficult to have pride in. But the cricket team did well yesterday. "
Well said that man. As for being English (albeit living in Wales) there is a vast amount I'm ashamed of such as our pillage and exploition of other people's. A quick check of our real history (rather than the propaganda fed to us at school) will show us in our true light. From the slave trade, through the Great Hedge of India to the Mau Mau uprising and beyond; none of it is a very pretty picture. | |||
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"Nationalism is a made up concept. It’s not real, so difficult to have pride in. But the cricket team did well yesterday.
Well said that man. As for being English (albeit living in Wales) there is a vast amount I'm ashamed of such as our pillage and exploition of other people's. A quick check of our real history (rather than the propaganda fed to us at school) will show us in our true light. From the slave trade, through the Great Hedge of India to the Mau Mau uprising and beyond; none of it is a very pretty picture."is there an historically innocent (peaceful etc) country ..serious question.. | |||
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"Nationalism is a made up concept. It’s not real, so difficult to have pride in. But the cricket team did well yesterday.
Well said that man. As for being English (albeit living in Wales) there is a vast amount I'm ashamed of such as our pillage and exploition of other people's. A quick check of our real history (rather than the propaganda fed to us at school) will show us in our true light. From the slave trade, through the Great Hedge of India to the Mau Mau uprising and beyond; none of it is a very pretty picture.". and yet peoples still come here to live in our tollerant concept | |||
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"Nationalism is a made up concept. It’s not real, so difficult to have pride in. But the cricket team did well yesterday.
Well said that man. As for being English (albeit living in Wales) there is a vast amount I'm ashamed of such as our pillage and exploition of other people's. A quick check of our real history (rather than the propaganda fed to us at school) will show us in our true light. From the slave trade, through the Great Hedge of India to the Mau Mau uprising and beyond; none of it is a very pretty picture. is there an historically innocent (peaceful etc) country ..serious question.."Innocent? Probably not fully. But on a scale of sheer brutality and terror, and just straight up lack of innocence, you will struggle to find a country with a history as long and horrible as England's. | |||
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"Nationalism is a made up concept. It’s not real, so difficult to have pride in. But the cricket team did well yesterday.
Well said that man. As for being English (albeit living in Wales) there is a vast amount I'm ashamed of such as our pillage and exploition of other people's. A quick check of our real history (rather than the propaganda fed to us at school) will show us in our true light. From the slave trade, through the Great Hedge of India to the Mau Mau uprising and beyond; none of it is a very pretty picture. is there an historically innocent (peaceful etc) country ..serious question..
Innocent? Probably not fully.
But on a scale of sheer brutality and terror, and just straight up lack of innocence, you will struggle to find a country with a history as long and horrible as England's. "I'd genuinely like Genghis Khan's opinion on that ! | |||
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"Can we be proud to be English, at least for a day ,with the heroes at the cricket.. we don't seem to have the pride we once had.. what do you think ?" Erm naw , you win 1 cup in 1966 and the whole world has had to hear about it every 5 minutes from commentators at every world cup ever since. | |||
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"Nationalism is a made up concept. It’s not real, so difficult to have pride in. But the cricket team did well yesterday.
Well said that man. As for being English (albeit living in Wales) there is a vast amount I'm ashamed of such as our pillage and exploition of other people's. A quick check of our real history (rather than the propaganda fed to us at school) will show us in our true light. From the slave trade, through the Great Hedge of India to the Mau Mau uprising and beyond; none of it is a very pretty picture. is there an historically innocent (peaceful etc) country ..serious question..
Innocent? Probably not fully.
But on a scale of sheer brutality and terror, and just straight up lack of innocence, you will struggle to find a country with a history as long and horrible as England's. I'd genuinely like Genghis Khan's opinion on that !"The mongul empire, and the British empire are by far the 2 top contenders for the title yes, without a doubt. However in terms of shit they pulled across their history and different horrors and atrocisities committed the British empire is ahead. | |||
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"I hear you OP england and Wales yesterday won the cricket World Cup and I for one are proud of that. I’m not going to let what my ancestors may of or may not have done a long time ago dampen the pride I have for being Welsh. Enjoy the moment OP " But you didn't achieve anything to be proud of. You sat and watched a team of men play a sport and achieve something which in fact has nothing to do with what their nationality, or place of birth is other than sheer genetic luck. You are proud of them. It is a huge difference. | |||
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"I hear you OP england and Wales yesterday won the cricket World Cup and I for one are proud of that. I’m not going to let what my ancestors may of or may not have done a long time ago dampen the pride I have for being Welsh. Enjoy the moment OP But you didn't achieve anything to be proud of. You sat and watched a team of men play a sport and achieve something which in fact has nothing to do with what their nationality, or place of birth is other than sheer genetic luck. You are proud of them. It is a huge difference." I'm proud to be Welsh. It makes no difference what sport is being played that day. I don't achieve amazing things to be proud of each day, that makes no difference to my pride. Where you from? Wales
I'm always proud of my country. | |||
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"I hear you OP england and Wales yesterday won the cricket World Cup and I for one are proud of that. I’m not going to let what my ancestors may of or may not have done a long time ago dampen the pride I have for being Welsh. Enjoy the moment OP But you didn't achieve anything to be proud of. You sat and watched a team of men play a sport and achieve something which in fact has nothing to do with what their nationality, or place of birth is other than sheer genetic luck. You are proud of them. It is a huge difference. I'm proud to be Welsh. It makes no difference what sport is being played that day. I don't achieve amazing things to be proud of each day, that makes no difference to my pride. Where you from? Wales
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"I hear you OP england and Wales yesterday won the cricket World Cup and I for one are proud of that. I’m not going to let what my ancestors may of or may not have done a long time ago dampen the pride I have for being Welsh. Enjoy the moment OP But you didn't achieve anything to be proud of. You sat and watched a team of men play a sport and achieve something which in fact has nothing to do with what their nationality, or place of birth is other than sheer genetic luck. You are proud of them. It is a huge difference." Unfortunately your incorrect. Not sure how your able to determine what I feel pride in ? | |||
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"I can only be proud of something I personally achieve, being born in a certain place is no achievement. I can be pleased for others achievements and wish them well, but not proud because I was born in the country they represent at sport. It just doesn't make sense." I wonder if you have kids, to hear you say you can only be proud of something you achieve, then my guess maybe you dont have kids. Personally im proud of my children every day , and very proud of our armed forces. Being proud of others achievements is never a bad thing. | |||
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"I hear you OP england and Wales yesterday won the cricket World Cup and I for one are proud of that. I’m not going to let what my ancestors may of or may not have done a long time ago dampen the pride I have for being Welsh. Enjoy the moment OP But you didn't achieve anything to be proud of. You sat and watched a team of men play a sport and achieve something which in fact has nothing to do with what their nationality, or place of birth is other than sheer genetic luck. You are proud of them. It is a huge difference. I'm proud to be Welsh. It makes no difference what sport is being played that day. I don't achieve amazing things to be proud of each day, that makes no difference to my pride. Where you from? Wales
I'm always proud of my country."You are happy to be Welsh because you are proud of your country. It is (by the definition of the word) impossible to be proud of something that is not achieved. You are proud of who you are which is fine, they don't need to be amazing achievements but they were done by you, you caused them to happen through your own effort. You can be proud of somebody else for their achievements. You can not be proud for yourself in the luck of the draw. | |||
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"I hear you OP england and Wales yesterday won the cricket World Cup and I for one are proud of that. I’m not going to let what my ancestors may of or may not have done a long time ago dampen the pride I have for being Welsh. Enjoy the moment OP But you didn't achieve anything to be proud of. You sat and watched a team of men play a sport and achieve something which in fact has nothing to do with what their nationality, or place of birth is other than sheer genetic luck. You are proud of them. It is a huge difference." Christ , bet your fun on a night out  . I'm proud of the team , I'm proud to be English and British , because I want to be proud .
Far too many people think its clever to think otherwise, and that , is of course , their right to do so . I love my country and that's it !! | |||
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"I can only be proud of something I personally achieve, being born in a certain place is no achievement. I can be pleased for others achievements and wish them well, but not proud because I was born in the country they represent at sport. It just doesn't make sense. I wonder if you have kids, to hear you say you can only be proud of something you achieve, then my guess maybe you dont have kids. Personally im proud of my children every day , and very proud of our armed forces. Being proud of others achievements is never a bad thing. "You are correct but that is different than being proud for yourself because you by chance were born there. You can be proud of others for their achievements. You can be proud of yourself for having kids and raising them to have achievements of their own. You can not be proud for yourself for the achievement of others however. Which is exactly what "I'm proud to be English" is trying to say. | |||
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"I hear you OP england and Wales yesterday won the cricket World Cup and I for one are proud of that. I’m not going to let what my ancestors may of or may not have done a long time ago dampen the pride I have for being Welsh. Enjoy the moment OP But you didn't achieve anything to be proud of. You sat and watched a team of men play a sport and achieve something which in fact has nothing to do with what their nationality, or place of birth is other than sheer genetic luck. You are proud of them. It is a huge difference. I'm proud to be Welsh. It makes no difference what sport is being played that day. I don't achieve amazing things to be proud of each day, that makes no difference to my pride. Where you from? Wales
I'm always proud of my country.
You are happy to be Welsh because you are proud of your country.
It is (by the definition of the word) impossible to be proud of something that is not achieved. You are proud of who you are which is fine, they don't need to be amazing achievements but they were done by you, you caused them to happen through your own effort.
You can be proud of somebody else for their achievements.
You can not be proud for yourself in the luck of the draw."Eh? What you on about? One of us don't get it and I ain't budging dude. I'm 43 and since the age of 10 or so I've felt like this, can't see you changing that sorry and by all means stick an Oxford dictionary defenition into it and it won't make any difference. | |||
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"I can only be proud of something I personally achieve, being born in a certain place is no achievement. I can be pleased for others achievements and wish them well, but not proud because I was born in the country they represent at sport. It just doesn't make sense. I wonder if you have kids, to hear you say you can only be proud of something you achieve, then my guess maybe you dont have kids. Personally im proud of my children every day , and very proud of our armed forces. Being proud of others achievements is never a bad thing.
You are correct but that is different than being proud for yourself because you by chance were born there.
You can be proud of others for their achievements. You can be proud of yourself for having kids and raising them to have achievements of their own.
You can not be proud for yourself for the achievement of others however.
Which is exactly what "I'm proud to be English" is trying to say. "No it isnt . If I want to be proud to be English , I will. If you dont , you wont . It's really that simple . I choose to be proud . | |||
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"I can only be proud of something I personally achieve, being born in a certain place is no achievement. I can be pleased for others achievements and wish them well, but not proud because I was born in the country they represent at sport. It just doesn't make sense. I wonder if you have kids, to hear you say you can only be proud of something you achieve, then my guess maybe you dont have kids. Personally im proud of my children every day , and very proud of our armed forces. Being proud of others achievements is never a bad thing.
You are correct but that is different than being proud for yourself because you by chance were born there.
You can be proud of others for their achievements. You can be proud of yourself for having kids and raising them to have achievements of their own.
You can not be proud for yourself for the achievement of others however.
Which is exactly what "I'm proud to be English" is trying to say. "if as stated England has gone from barbarism,like most countries, to the most tolerant country in the world I can be proud of that(being English) yet I didn't achieve it..just saying | |||
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"Nope. I'm proud to be British or European, certainly not English." Happy to arrange a border transfer for you. | |||
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"I can only be proud of something I personally achieve, being born in a certain place is no achievement. I can be pleased for others achievements and wish them well, but not proud because I was born in the country they represent at sport. It just doesn't make sense. I wonder if you have kids, to hear you say you can only be proud of something you achieve, then my guess maybe you dont have kids. Personally im proud of my children every day , and very proud of our armed forces. Being proud of others achievements is never a bad thing.
You are correct but that is different than being proud for yourself because you by chance were born there.
You can be proud of others for their achievements. You can be proud of yourself for having kids and raising them to have achievements of their own.
You can not be proud for yourself for the achievement of others however.
Which is exactly what "I'm proud to be English" is trying to say. "I disagree, im proud that i have never smoked a cigarette in my life or touched a drug in my life but its not an achievement. Its just a thing i am proud of as others cannot say the same. Same as being proud to be scottish, welsh , english , irish or wherever. Others cannot say the same. I do get your point but personally i dont see being proud of your home country is a bad thing. | |||
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"I can only be proud of something I personally achieve, being born in a certain place is no achievement. I can be pleased for others achievements and wish them well, but not proud because I was born in the country they represent at sport. It just doesn't make sense." I concur. Absolutely spot on | |||
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"English and proud dont need a cup to be proud of my birthplace but well done all the same " | |||
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"I hear you OP england and Wales yesterday won the cricket World Cup and I for one are proud of that. I’m not going to let what my ancestors may of or may not have done a long time ago dampen the pride I have for being Welsh. Enjoy the moment OP But you didn't achieve anything to be proud of. You sat and watched a team of men play a sport and achieve something which in fact has nothing to do with what their nationality, or place of birth is other than sheer genetic luck. You are proud of them. It is a huge difference. I'm proud to be Welsh. It makes no difference what sport is being played that day. I don't achieve amazing things to be proud of each day, that makes no difference to my pride. Where you from? Wales
I'm always proud of my country.
You are happy to be Welsh because you are proud of your country.
It is (by the definition of the word) impossible to be proud of something that is not achieved. You are proud of who you are which is fine, they don't need to be amazing achievements but they were done by you, you caused them to happen through your own effort.
You can be proud of somebody else for their achievements.
You can not be proud for yourself in the luck of the draw.
Eh? What you on about?
One of us don't get it and I ain't budging dude.
I'm 43 and since the age of 10 or so I've felt like this, can't see you changing that sorry and by all means stick an Oxford dictionary defenition into it and it won't make any difference."And there we have it, the death of any intelligent discussion. "I'm right, you are wrong. Screw the facts because I'm stubborn and I feel this way" | |||
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" And there we have it, the death of any intelligent discussion. "I'm right, you are wrong. Screw the facts because I'm stubborn and I feel this way" " Hey you. Chill. Everybody is entitled to their own opinion and all- well mostly all- are welcome to state them. This isn’t like you. You doing ok? | |||
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"I'm not particularly patriotic and I don't really understand the concept of being proud of where I'm from. That doesn't mean to say that I'm unable to enjoy days like yesterday." Things that make us happy or that we get enjoyment from should definitely be celebrated | |||
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"I'm not particularly patriotic and I don't really understand the concept of being proud of where I'm from. That doesn't mean to say that I'm unable to enjoy days like yesterday. Things that make us happy or that we get enjoyment from should definitely be celebrated "I'm happy a team won a game can't see what it would have to do with pride ? I generally find allowing my happiness to be governed by arbitrary sporting events and random humans to be counter productive Bit like allowing the weather to dictate one's mood | |||
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"I'm not particularly patriotic and I don't really understand the concept of being proud of where I'm from. That doesn't mean to say that I'm unable to enjoy days like yesterday. Things that make us happy or that we get enjoyment from should definitely be celebrated
I'm happy a team won a game can't see what it would have to do with pride ?
I generally find allowing my happiness to be governed by arbitrary sporting events and random humans to be counter productive
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"It is the England and Wales Cricket Board and the team that won is called England. In Rugby Union it is the British and Ireland lions. " British and Irish Lions in rugby union is not the same as England and Wales Cricket Board in the Cricket World Cup | |||
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"I hear you OP england and Wales yesterday won the cricket World Cup and I for one are proud of that. I’m not going to let what my ancestors may of or may not have done a long time ago dampen the pride I have for being Welsh. Enjoy the moment OP But you didn't achieve anything to be proud of. You sat and watched a team of men play a sport and achieve something which in fact has nothing to do with what their nationality, or place of birth is other than sheer genetic luck. You are proud of them. It is a huge difference. I'm proud to be Welsh. It makes no difference what sport is being played that day. I don't achieve amazing things to be proud of each day, that makes no difference to my pride. Where you from? Wales
I'm always proud of my country.
You are happy to be Welsh because you are proud of your country.
It is (by the definition of the word) impossible to be proud of something that is not achieved. You are proud of who you are which is fine, they don't need to be amazing achievements but they were done by you, you caused them to happen through your own effort.
You can be proud of somebody else for their achievements.
You can not be proud for yourself in the luck of the draw.
Eh? What you on about?
One of us don't get it and I ain't budging dude.
I'm 43 and since the age of 10 or so I've felt like this, can't see you changing that sorry and by all means stick an Oxford dictionary defenition into it and it won't make any difference.
And there we have it, the death of any intelligent discussion. "I'm right, you are wrong. Screw the facts because I'm stubborn and I feel this way" "Lol that’s not the case at all he stated his opinion listened to your points, made his mind up and told you how he felt. Then pointed out that as you are both not going to agree what’s the point of continuing? Not once did he say he’s right your wrong, he’s stubborn just like you Still not really sure how you can tell me, him or anyone what they feel pride in mind | |||
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"I hear you OP england and Wales yesterday won the cricket World Cup and I for one are proud of that. I’m not going to let what my ancestors may of or may not have done a long time ago dampen the pride I have for being Welsh. Enjoy the moment OP But you didn't achieve anything to be proud of. You sat and watched a team of men play a sport and achieve something which in fact has nothing to do with what their nationality, or place of birth is other than sheer genetic luck. You are proud of them. It is a huge difference. I'm proud to be Welsh. It makes no difference what sport is being played that day. I don't achieve amazing things to be proud of each day, that makes no difference to my pride. Where you from? Wales
I'm always proud of my country.
You are happy to be Welsh because you are proud of your country.
It is (by the definition of the word) impossible to be proud of something that is not achieved. You are proud of who you are which is fine, they don't need to be amazing achievements but they were done by you, you caused them to happen through your own effort.
You can be proud of somebody else for their achievements.
You can not be proud for yourself in the luck of the draw.
Eh? What you on about?
One of us don't get it and I ain't budging dude.
I'm 43 and since the age of 10 or so I've felt like this, can't see you changing that sorry and by all means stick an Oxford dictionary defenition into it and it won't make any difference.
And there we have it, the death of any intelligent discussion. "I'm right, you are wrong. Screw the facts because I'm stubborn and I feel this way" "Oh no you are right. I'm going to allow some random person who has no baring on me tell me what I can and can't do with my emotions. Pride, being that emotion. Even though you have tried telling me (firstly) where I'm wrong and right (I think so). There is no facts with this, using Google or wiki will not change how I feel, which I'm quite entitled to seeing as I am me. I'm not too sure how much stubbornness has to do with it, your not going to change my mind and I don't know of anyone that could. It's this simple. If I want to feel proud about something I will. Emphasis on the I bit. I take no offence with you thinking myself and others are wrong in feeling proud over where we are, where we were born etc. That's to do with us (as indivuals) and not one other person. I hope you can see it from someone else's point of view one day. | |||
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"I hear you OP england and Wales yesterday won the cricket World Cup and I for one are proud of that. I’m not going to let what my ancestors may of or may not have done a long time ago dampen the pride I have for being Welsh. Enjoy the moment OP But you didn't achieve anything to be proud of. You sat and watched a team of men play a sport and achieve something which in fact has nothing to do with what their nationality, or place of birth is other than sheer genetic luck. You are proud of them. It is a huge difference. I'm proud to be Welsh. It makes no difference what sport is being played that day. I don't achieve amazing things to be proud of each day, that makes no difference to my pride. Where you from? Wales
I'm always proud of my country.
You are happy to be Welsh because you are proud of your country.
It is (by the definition of the word) impossible to be proud of something that is not achieved. You are proud of who you are which is fine, they don't need to be amazing achievements but they were done by you, you caused them to happen through your own effort.
You can be proud of somebody else for their achievements.
You can not be proud for yourself in the luck of the draw.
Eh? What you on about?
One of us don't get it and I ain't budging dude.
I'm 43 and since the age of 10 or so I've felt like this, can't see you changing that sorry and by all means stick an Oxford dictionary defenition into it and it won't make any difference.
And there we have it, the death of any intelligent discussion. "I'm right, you are wrong. Screw the facts because I'm stubborn and I feel this way"
Oh no you are right. I'm going to allow some random person who has no baring on me tell me what I can and can't do with my emotions. Pride, being that emotion.
Even though you have tried telling me (firstly) where I'm wrong and right (I think so).
There is no facts with this, using Google or wiki will not change how I feel, which I'm quite entitled to seeing as I am me.
I'm not too sure how much stubbornness has to do with it, your not going to change my mind and I don't know of anyone that could.
It's this simple.
If I want to feel proud about something I will. Emphasis on the I bit.
I take no offence with you thinking myself and others are wrong in feeling proud over where we are, where we were born etc. That's to do with us (as indivuals) and not one other person.
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"Proud to be Welsh with our own language and culture unlike the English who are from Saxony Western Germany Twll tin i’r Saeson ddiawl!!!!!!!!" We have our own language too. You may have heard of it , it's called English | |||
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"Proud to be Welsh with our own language and culture unlike the English who are from Saxony Western Germany Twll tin i’r Saeson ddiawl!!!!!!!!" It's not an England vs Wales thread. It's about being proud of your own people and places, or maybe even others. | |||
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"Proud to be Welsh with our own language and culture unlike the English who are from Saxony Western Germany Twll tin i’r Saeson ddiawl!!!!!!!!" In the words of a fine english gentleman (delboy) what a plonker | |||
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"Guys..u still remember semi final game in world cup Russia?
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"Can we be proud to be English, at least for a day ,with the heroes at the cricket.. we don't seem to have the pride we once had.. what do you think ?" Racist ! | |||
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"Proud to be Welsh with our own language and culture unlike the English who are from Saxony Western Germany Twll tin i’r Saeson ddiawl!!!!!!!! It's not an England vs Wales thread. It's about being proud of your own people and places, or maybe even others." once again the forum trolls strike!! the thread was asking about being proud to be English! but as usual the trolls have to use it to score pathetic points!!! pointing out errors that the BRITISH not only the ENGLISH have made in the past! etc Its a shame those slagging the English off have not got anything better to do with their time! | |||
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"Proud to be Welsh with our own language and culture unlike the English who are from Saxony Western Germany Twll tin i’r Saeson ddiawl!!!!!!!! It's not an England vs Wales thread. It's about being proud of your own people and places, or maybe even others. once again the forum trolls strike!! the thread was asking about being proud to be English! but as usual the trolls have to use it to score pathetic points!!! pointing out errors that the BRITISH not only the ENGLISH have made in the past! etc Its a shame those slagging the English off have not got anything better to do with their time! "they have loads to do wanking 24/7 | |||
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"To be born Welsh is be born with music in your soul and Poetry in your heart proud not to speak as a first language Cenedl Heb Iaith, Cenedl Heb Galon#. Cofiwch Llywelyn ap Gruffudd fel Tywysog y Cymry # Nid hanes nhw yw’r stori ni Cofiwch Cilmeri 1282 " You could make antiques roadshow look exciting | |||
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"To be born Welsh is be born with music in your soul and Poetry in your heart proud not to speak as a first language Cenedl Heb Iaith, Cenedl Heb Galon#. Cofiwch Llywelyn ap Gruffudd fel Tywysog y Cymry # Nid hanes nhw yw’r stori ni Cofiwch Cilmeri 1282 " You can be proud of your Welsh heritage ( as you should be) without slagging off other nations you know . | |||
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"Let all be honest england is way ahead of the times compared to the rest of the uk." Controversial ....im hiding | |||
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"To be born Welsh is be born with music in your soul and Poetry in your heart proud not to speak as a first language Cenedl Heb Iaith, Cenedl Heb Galon#. Cofiwch Llywelyn ap Gruffudd fel Tywysog y Cymry # Nid hanes nhw yw’r stori ni Cofiwch Cilmeri 1282 " Sorry dude proud Welshman here but this was about feeling proud for england and Wales achievements yesterday. It’s not Wales v england here mate, yesterday we both won | |||
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"Let all be honest england is way ahead of the times compared to the rest of the uk." I know what you mean, if I use the outside toilet at my house I go out of range for dial up wifi. It's horrible in winter when I'm reading the forums and doing a poo. | |||
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"Let all be honest england is way ahead of the times compared to the rest of the uk." Haha nice move there, but I’m sure someone will take the bait mind | |||
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"Orginally from welsh wales I do not like the English their arrgance " I fixed that for you. You just speak for yourself mate, why don't you start a new thread rather than trying to derail this one. Hopefully loads of people will debate your points with you | |||
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"Orginally from welsh wales we do not like the English their arrgance " What is Welsh Wales?? Silly me , I always thought all of Wales was Welsh ?? | |||
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"Orginally from welsh wales we do not like the English their arrgance " If you're going to attempt to insult a whole nation you may be better off posting something coherent. Otherwise you could possibly end up looking uneducated and ignorant. | |||
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"England is one of the most tollerant of countries of other nations and religions,peoples risk their lives/futures trying to live in England,because of this . So yes , I'm proud to be English.England is a country not a concept" England tolerant. Haha that's a good joke | |||
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"Orginally from welsh wales we do not like the English their arrgance If you're going to attempt to insult a whole nation you may be better off posting something coherent. Otherwise you could possibly end up looking uneducated and ignorant." I remember 10-15 years back when big brother and those types of programs were about. They would always stick in that type of token Welsh man Used to hate it and now here he is | |||
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"O i am a real Welshman! Swansea we hate cardiff English is not my tongue" what series of undateables was you in again | |||
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"O i am a real Welshman! Swansea we hate cardiff English is not my tongue" And I'm a real Englishman , however, I dont have a unfounded hatred of Wales  | |||
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"O i am a real Welshman! Swansea we hate cardiff English is not my tongue" We can tell | |||
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"my heros owain glyndwr and michael collins" Didn’t she play cindy Beale in eastenders ? | |||
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"O i am a real Welshman! Swansea we hate cardiff English is not my tongue" Show respect to your capital. If you got any gripes, aim it at Newport, they are our second city. | |||
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"my heros owain glyndwr and michael collins Didn’t she play cindy Beale in eastenders ?" | |||
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"Yous nufin to be proud of. Irland of losers who stole every thing they got." Do you mean Ireland or Island? | |||
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"Orginally from welsh wales we do not like the English their arrgance If you're going to attempt to insult a whole nation you may be better off posting something coherent. Otherwise you could possibly end up looking uneducated and ignorant. I remember 10-15 years back when big brother and those types of programs were about. They would always stick in that type of token Welsh man Used to hate it and now here he is" | |||
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"Nah. It was a great tournament..we won by the skin if our teeth on a technicality..." England did not win on a technicality. They won according to the rules/laws of the tournament. We scored more boundaries than them. That was the rule before the match started.... | |||
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"Yous nufin to be proud of. Irland of losers who stole every thing they got." with due respect! if you are not happy here there are regular flights to where ever you would like to go  | |||
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"Nah. It was a great tournament..we won by the skin if our teeth on a technicality... England did not win on a technicality. They won according to the rules/laws of the tournament. We scored more boundaries than them. That was the rule before the match started.... "Lady luck was with us, the 6 runs which came about through the deflection of Stokes bar should have been only a 5 by the laws of the game according to one cricket journalist.. Hence we would have lost by one.. | |||
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"Yous nufin to be proud of. Irland of losers who stole every thing they got. Do you mean Ireland or Island?" Yes | |||
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"Nah. It was a great tournament..we won by the skin if our teeth on a technicality... England did not win on a technicality. They won according to the rules/laws of the tournament. We scored more boundaries than them. That was the rule before the match started.... "Rule 98 or something could of prevented England getting that 2nd run when it deflected off Stokes as the batsmen hadn't crossed when the ball was released from the fielders hand. That would of ment it wasn't a run 2 + overthrown 4. (Sky sports been on about it). If your looking where it was won and lost look at Trent Boults catch onto the boundary rope. He took a few steps in when he shouldn't have but NZ won't be pointing the finger at him and neither should we. | |||
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"Yous nufin to be proud of. Irland of losers who stole every thing they got. with due respect! if you are not happy here there are regular flights to where ever you would like to go "Nah the land is fine but yous need to go not me  | |||
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"Yous nufin to be proud of. Irland of losers who stole every thing they got." We're just celebrating a bunch of blokes running round a field catching a ball. | |||
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"Yous nufin to be proud of. Irland of losers who stole every thing they got." Wow .. off you pop then | |||
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" there is a vast amount I'm ashamed of such as our pillage and exploition of other people's. A quick check of our real history (rather than the propaganda fed to us at school) will show us in our true light. From the slave trade, through the Great Hedge of India to the Mau Mau uprising and beyond; none of it is a very pretty picture." Why be ashamed?.. nobody alive today is responsible for any of that... As for History.. it's subjective usually and written by the victors .. I have no guilt for English past deeds ... Nothing for me to be ashamed of.. | |||
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Nah the land is fine but yous need to go not me"Please elaborate on what it is that us lot stole and why we should leave. I can see you being good fun in this discussion. If slightly off topic. | |||
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"Yous nufin to be proud of. Irland of losers who stole every thing they got. with due respect! if you are not happy here there are regular flights to where ever you would like to go
Nah the land is fine but yous need to go not me
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""I saw a slogan on a guy’s car that said “Proud to be an American.” And I thought, well, what the fuck does that mean? Proud to be an American. You see, I’ve never understood national pride. I’ve never understood ethnic pride. Because I’m Irish, and all four of my grandparents were born in Ireland, so I’m fully Irish. And when I was a kid, I would go to the St. Patrick’s Day parade, and I noticed that they sold a button that said “Proud to be Irish.” And I could never understand that because I knew that on Columbus Day, they sold a different button that said “Proud to be Italian.” Then came black pride and Puerto Rican pride. And I could never understand ethnic or national pride because, to me, pride should be reserved for something you achieve or attain on your own, not something that happens by accident of birth. Being Irish isn’t a skill. It’s a fucking genetic accident. You wouldn’t say, “I’m proud to be 5’11”. I’m proud to have a predisposition for colon cancer. So, why the fuck would you be proud to be Irish or proud to be Italian or American or anything? Hey, if you’re happy with it, that’s fine. Do that. Put that on your car. “Happy to be an American.” Be happy. Don’t be proud. Too much pride as it is. Pride goeth before a fall." A quote from the late (and great) George Carlin. This.. Has to be the most ironic of threads given the make up of the team. Who were amazing yesterday.. " ...and most international teams now to be honest. Well done England! | |||
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"Yous nufin to be proud of. Irland of losers who stole every thing they got. with due respect! if you are not happy here there are regular flights to where ever you would like to go
Nah the land is fine but yous need to go not me
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"Yous nufin to be proud of. Irland of losers who stole every thing they got. with due respect! if you are not happy here there are regular flights to where ever you would like to go
Nah the land is fine but yous need to go not me
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No need bruv soon yous all be gone an the true owners will cullect."Nice one bruva  nice one .
So you can't even back up what your trying to say. No offence If I don't reply further to you, your just very difficult to reply to.
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"Orginally from welsh wales we do not like the English their arrgance " Currently it is you displaying arrogance I wont follow your racist lead by suggesting all people Welsh share the same trait as one individual who randomly happened to be born one side of an arbitrary line , diolch | |||
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"Yous nufin to be proud of. Irland of losers who stole every thing they got. This comment and profile is a spoof surely ? "don’t wind him up he works the doors he mite be rock hard | |||
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"Yous nufin to be proud of. Irland of losers who stole every thing they got. This comment and profile is a spoof surely ? don’t wind him up he works the doors he mite be rock hard "naw!!!! he will just be yet another keyboard warrior!!! | |||
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"I guess with Jeremy Kyle closing down it had to spill over somewhere " lol yup | |||
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"Still full of racists" You’re the only one being racist here! It’s cricket ffs.. | |||
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"you can not be proud to be English you shoulf d feel ashamed for fof what you did in ireland scotland and wales down the years " That's simply not cricket old chap | |||
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"you can not be proud to be English you shoulf d feel ashamed for fof what you did in ireland scotland and wales down the years " The forumites here had nothing to do with that though. As already pointed out. I know a few of them are getting on a bit but they ain't THAT old | |||
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"So please stop going ott you are such arrgant nation no one the Scots and North of Ireland want freedom" You proud to be Welsh? | |||
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"So please stop going ott you are such arrgant nation no one the Scots and North of Ireland want freedom" suppose you don’t come across arrogant Scots Irish or Welsh then what a stupid statement good and bad in us all | |||
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"Lots" Good same here. Try to continue the discussion along those paths like the rest of us and you should do okay. | |||
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