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Is it right to fine someone for dropping a fag butt?

By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

So today myself and Ash where stood at a bus stop and saw a lady being fined by a street environment enforcement officer.

The fag but had bearly been discarded when he pounced and gave her an on the spot £150 fine!

She didn't drop it on the floor but extinguished it on the wall and flicked it on to a mud verge of a flower bed. Personally I feel this fine was excessive, what do you think?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I must be luvky nobody pulled me on it yet but i got my fake name ready anyway

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

She did the crime, she pays the fine

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Litter is litter. Add that fag butt to every day she smokes there, it builds up.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The whole dumping rubbish has gone out of control hence the fines. I remember the days when people said something if litter was dropped, now a days you would probably be stabbed

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yeah I got one but it’s one of the things like the car park ones. I didn’t pay it and nothing happened. Don’t think they have much authority tbh

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"She did the crime, she pays the fine

Is it really a crime?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

No, our environment is polluted enough. Perfectly fine... in my view.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Litter is litter. Add that fag butt to every day she smokes there, it builds up."

£150 is steep though.

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By *ersnickety PantsWoman over a year ago

Club Meets Only

Smoking is an expensive habit, even more so when you get fined for throwing a butt away

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By *SAchickWoman over a year ago

Hillside desolate

"She did the crime, she pays the fine

Is it really a crime?

Littering is, which is technically what she's done. I'd feel hard done by if it was me but I can see both sides of this one.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Yeah I got one but it’s one of the things like the car park ones. I didn’t pay it and nothing happened. Don’t think they have much authority tbh "

No that's my understanding too. Is civil and not criminal.

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By *uke olovingmanMan over a year ago

Gravesend

I don't like seeing fag butts lying around

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

£150 seems excessive but I bet she never does it again.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"She did the crime, she pays the fine

Is it really a crime?

Littering is, which is technically what she's done. I'd feel hard done by if it was me but I can see both sides of this one. "

The reason I thought it was unfair is because she apologised and picked it up to try and find a bin but he still fined her.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Litter is litter. Add that fag butt to every day she smokes there, it builds up.

£150 is steep though. "

It is a strong deterrent, she probably will think twice about doing it again. Litter in your home area is said to reduce the value of your home around 11%. Litter gets under my skin personally, I was taught never to drop litter, that standard stuck with me.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

it's because the filters in straight cigarettes dont biodegrade very well. I smoke rollups without a filter, so would seriously argue the toss.

Litter is litter.. if it degrades quickly in a drop of rain.. no.. a £150 fine is grossly excessive.. If it's got non-biodegradable parts to it.. plastic.. gum.. etc. Then yes.. slap em with it. I dont want to see birds choking on filters or crisp packets and drinks bottles cluttering up the place.

If I got a £150 fine for dropping a fikterless rollup on the floor.. I'd be livid. As it happens, I flick them down a drain or put the butts in the bin usually. Out of habit.

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By *ruesome-twosomeCouple over a year ago

Nottingham

Does it matter if it's in a flower bed or on the pavement it's still litter.

And some people say it's only a fag butt but it's the same as a sweet wrapper or crisp packed if you saw someone dropping those would you see it as socially acceptable as a fag probably not.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So today myself and Ash where stood at a bus stop and saw a lady being fined by a street environment enforcement officer.

The fag but had bearly been discarded when he pounced and gave her an on the spot £150 fine!

She didn't drop it on the floor but extinguished it on the wall and flicked it on to a mud verge of a flower bed. Personally I feel this fine was excessive, what do you think? "

I wonder how many other smokes she's discarded on the floor in her time?

Seems harsh given what else goes on but aah, tuff luck.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"it's because the filters in straight cigarettes dont biodegrade very well. I smoke rollups without a filter, so would seriously argue the toss.

If I got a £150 fine for dropping a fikterless rollup on the floor.. I'd be livid. As it happens, I flick them down a drain or put the butts in the bin usually. Out of habit."

She was smoking a roll up.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Does it matter if it's in a flower bed or on the pavement it's still litter.

And some people say it's only a fag butt but it's the same as a sweet wrapper or crisp packed if you saw someone dropping those would you see it as socially acceptable as a fag probably not."

But she picked it up and was still fined. I just think it was harsh.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Does it matter if it's in a flower bed or on the pavement it's still litter.

And some people say it's only a fag butt but it's the same as a sweet wrapper or crisp packed if you saw someone dropping those would you see it as socially acceptable as a fag probably not.

But she picked it up and was still fined. I just think it was harsh. "

She only picked it up at the threat of a fine. The fine will teach her not to do it again. Fag butts stink.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Does it matter if it's in a flower bed or on the pavement it's still litter.

And some people say it's only a fag butt but it's the same as a sweet wrapper or crisp packed if you saw someone dropping those would you see it as socially acceptable as a fag probably not.

But she picked it up and was still fined. I just think it was harsh.

She only picked it up at the threat of a fine. The fine will teach her not to do it again. Fag butts stink."

So do car fumes so let's ban them too!

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By *ruesome-twosomeCouple over a year ago

Nottingham

"it's because the filters in straight cigarettes dont biodegrade very well. I smoke rollups without a filter, so would seriously argue the toss.

If I got a £150 fine for dropping a fikterless rollup on the floor.. I'd be livid. As it happens, I flick them down a drain or put the butts in the bin usually. Out of habit.

She was smoking a roll up. "

What's the difference it's still litter that someone has to clean up or it stays there and builds up

Would you leave a fab butt or roll up ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Fine fine fine fine fine

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By *partharmonyCouple over a year ago

Ruislip

I (Luke) am sick to death of smokers thinking they can use the world as their litter bin and expect other people to clear up after them. I'm all for fining people for it.

The amount itself does seem a bit steep, I accept that, but she should have thought about her totally inconsiderate and avoidable action first. I imagine she will in future because of this.

I would much rather three times as many people were fined a third of that amount. At least more smokers might learn that they don't have some god-given right to drop litter wherever it suits them.

However, I have zero sympathy for her.

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By *irkydirkyMan over a year ago

bolton

100% yes.. it’ll make her think twice next time.. them as all rubbish just thrown after people’s arse is disgusting, how on Earth were these people raised.. Even if it biodegradable, rubbish is rubbish.. just find a bin and don’t be scum..

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By *SAchickWoman over a year ago

Hillside desolate

"Does it matter if it's in a flower bed or on the pavement it's still litter.

And some people say it's only a fag butt but it's the same as a sweet wrapper or crisp packed if you saw someone dropping those would you see it as socially acceptable as a fag probably not.

But she picked it up and was still fined. I just think it was harsh. "

But I bet everybody who gets caught does that. So if they let everyone off with a warning, that's no deterrent at all and no fines would be issued,ever,unless they follow people about hoping they'll reoffend.

I do get why you think it's harsh though.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think it's acceptable. The point of punishment is to deter, if the fine was easily affordable it wouldn't be much of a deterent.

The fact that she picked it up makes no difference, she still did the crime, you don't get to just say sorry for any others.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

it's only 1 said the 100,000 people doing same today

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Not high enough, in Canada dropping a cigarette butt in a national park is $5,000 fine. $1,000-2,000 elsewhere

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Does it matter if it's in a flower bed or on the pavement it's still litter.

And some people say it's only a fag butt but it's the same as a sweet wrapper or crisp packed if you saw someone dropping those would you see it as socially acceptable as a fag probably not.

But she picked it up and was still fined. I just think it was harsh.

She only picked it up at the threat of a fine. The fine will teach her not to do it again. Fag butts stink.

So do car fumes so let's ban them too! "

They are trying, hence electric cars

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By *wisted999Man over a year ago

North Bucks

Yes she wouldn’t have offered to pick it up if the fine wasn’t forthcoming.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan over a year ago

London

Littering is horrible and entitled behaviour. Totally justified fine.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

There's no excuse for littering. Was the five too much? I dunno but I bet it will put her off doing it again

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By *partharmonyCouple over a year ago

Ruislip

"Does it matter if it's in a flower bed or on the pavement it's still litter.

And some people say it's only a fag butt but it's the same as a sweet wrapper or crisp packed if you saw someone dropping those would you see it as socially acceptable as a fag probably not.

But she picked it up and was still fined. I just think it was harsh. "

The fact that she then made an effort to pick it up after the bad action was pointed out to her just shows that she could have chosen to do that in the first place.

A high price to pay, yes, but zero sympathy.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"There's no excuse for littering. Was the five too much? I dunno but I bet it will put her off doing it again"

I really feel it was especially when you get fined less for speeding and have the option to go an education course.

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By *ust RachelTV/TS over a year ago

Horsham

I heard of one of the crawley wardens chasing a guy through a dept. store for dropping a fag butt. He turned aggressive when he was fined, and ended up getting arrested as well.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Much bigger issues on the streets than litter

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By *irkydirkyMan over a year ago

bolton

"There's no excuse for littering. Was the five too much? I dunno but I bet it will put her off doing it again

I really feel it was especially when you get fined less for speeding and have the option to go an education course. "

So you think what she done was ok?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"There's no excuse for littering. Was the five too much? I dunno but I bet it will put her off doing it again

I really feel it was especially when you get fined less for speeding and have the option to go an education course. "

I didn't get the option of a speed awareness course, so paid the fine and the increased insurance premiums for years. I was speeding, I was in the wrong, no argument.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"There's no excuse for littering. Was the five too much? I dunno but I bet it will put her off doing it again

I really feel it was especially when you get fined less for speeding and have the option to go an education course. "

I think that says more about how the judicial system and arguably society at large view speeding more than anything else

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"There's no excuse for littering. Was the five too much? I dunno but I bet it will put her off doing it again

I really feel it was especially when you get fined less for speeding and have the option to go an education course.

So you think what she done was ok? "

I didn't say that!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Much bigger issues on the streets than litter"

But it is still an issue, and should be dealt with accordingly.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"There's no excuse for littering. Was the five too much? I dunno but I bet it will put her off doing it again

I really feel it was especially when you get fined less for speeding and have the option to go an education course.

I didn't get the option of a speed awareness course, so paid the fine and the increased insurance premiums for years. I was speeding, I was in the wrong, no argument."

But you could have killed someone!

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By *partharmonyCouple over a year ago

Ruislip

"There's no excuse for littering. Was the five too much? I dunno but I bet it will put her off doing it again

I really feel it was especially when you get fined less for speeding and have the option to go an education course. "

For a speeding fine you get to pay a £100 only once in three years, otherwise the penalty is way higher. How many times has this woman dropped a fag end at her convenience for somebody else to clear up when she should have done it herself? I'd put money on it being way more that once in three years.

Smokers do not have a god-given right to drop litter. They should bloody well learn that, even if it's the hard way.

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By *irkydirkyMan over a year ago

bolton

"There's no excuse for littering. Was the five too much? I dunno but I bet it will put her off doing it again

I really feel it was especially when you get fined less for speeding and have the option to go an education course.

So you think what she done was ok?

I didn't say that!

So you think what she done was wrong?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"There's no excuse for littering. Was the five too much? I dunno but I bet it will put her off doing it again

I really feel it was especially when you get fined less for speeding and have the option to go an education course.

So you think what she done was ok?

I didn't say that!

So you think what she done was wrong? "

I didn't say that either!

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"There's no excuse for littering. Was the five too much? I dunno but I bet it will put her off doing it again

I really feel it was especially when you get fined less for speeding and have the option to go an education course.

Smokers do not have a god-given right to drop litter. They should bloody well learn that, even if it's the hard way."

May I point out it's not just smokers that litter!

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By *ENGUYMan over a year ago

Hull

Littering is an offence.

Councils enforce it though there are no specific regs as to the levels of fines - this is down to individual councils.

Police in certain circumstances enforce it too.

£150 seems a bit steep as most councils I've seen impose fines of around £50.

But fag butts are as much a nuisance as chewing gum, paper, crisp packets, discarded food containers & wrapping (with or without food in them) and so on.

Littering is laziness; authorities supply bins, but people are too bone idle to activate their brain cells and think!

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By *partharmonyCouple over a year ago

Ruislip

"Much bigger issues on the streets than litter"

That's what they call what-about-ism. There may be more pressing matters in the world but it's still an issue and one the smokers themselves can easily fix.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Much bigger issues on the streets than litter

But it is still an issue, and should be dealt with accordingly."
jobsworths all of em like ticket muppets

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Littering is an offence.

Councils enforce it though there are no specific regs as to the levels of fines - this is down to individual councils.

Police in certain circumstances enforce it too.

£150 seems a bit steep as most councils I've seen impose fines of around £50.

But fag butts are as much a nuisance as chewing gum, paper, crisp packets, discarded food containers & wrapping (with or without food in them) and so on.

Littering is laziness; authorities supply bins, but people are too bone idle to activate their brain cells and think!"

That's my point I think the fine is too steep not that it shouldn't be enforced.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"There's no excuse for littering. Was the five too much? I dunno but I bet it will put her off doing it again

I really feel it was especially when you get fined less for speeding and have the option to go an education course.

I didn't get the option of a speed awareness course, so paid the fine and the increased insurance premiums for years. I was speeding, I was in the wrong, no argument.

But you could have killed someone! "

I know, but I was responding to your comment comparing speeding to a fag being dropped. I broke the law, I didn't try and wriggle out of it, nor would I have done if I had been caught littering the environment.

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By *irkydirkyMan over a year ago

bolton

"There's no excuse for littering. Was the five too much? I dunno but I bet it will put her off doing it again

I really feel it was especially when you get fined less for speeding and have the option to go an education course.

So you think what she done was ok?

I didn't say that!

So you think what she done was wrong?

I didn't say that either!

Well if you can’t see that she done wrong there’s no point me going any further... I’m guessing it won’t be long till you get a similar fine..

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By *aitonelMan over a year ago

Liverpool

"There's no excuse for littering. Was the five too much? I dunno but I bet it will put her off doing it again

I really feel it was especially when you get fined less for speeding and have the option to go an education course. "

The thing is, the fine could be £1000000000 and I'd be fine with that. Why? Because it is a deterrent.

If she had not been caught (I'm not a fan of the predatory behaviour of the enforcement officers though) she would not have been sorry and gone on about her day. Likely to litter again with things other that a butt.

Its a tricky thing to balance. Too low and people don't give a shit. Too high and people bitch about excessive.

Excessive? Just don't drop litter anywhere but in a bin. Nobody forced you to drop litter, therfore you can avoid getting a fine easily.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Much bigger issues on the streets than litter

But it is still an issue, and should be dealt with accordingly.jobsworths all of em like ticket muppets"

You wouldn't be saying that if you couldn't park your car, or got blocked in by people being able to park with no consequences, or people tossing litter on your doorstop.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"There's no excuse for littering. Was the five too much? I dunno but I bet it will put her off doing it again

I really feel it was especially when you get fined less for speeding and have the option to go an education course.

I didn't get the option of a speed awareness course, so paid the fine and the increased insurance premiums for years. I was speeding, I was in the wrong, no argument.

But you could have killed someone!

Yes but my point was its not even comparable but the fines are similar. I think the fine was far too steep not unjustified.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"it's because the filters in straight cigarettes dont biodegrade very well. I smoke rollups without a filter, so would seriously argue the toss.

If I got a £150 fine for dropping a fikterless rollup on the floor.. I'd be livid. As it happens, I flick them down a drain or put the butts in the bin usually. Out of habit.

She was smoking a roll up. "

If it had a filter.. then he has her. Filters are a nightmare to wildlife and an eye sore till they're physically removed.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"There's no excuse for littering. Was the five too much? I dunno but I bet it will put her off doing it again

I really feel it was especially when you get fined less for speeding and have the option to go an education course.

I didn't get the option of a speed awareness course, so paid the fine and the increased insurance premiums for years. I was speeding, I was in the wrong, no argument.

But you could have killed someone!

Yes but my point was its not even comparable but the fines are similar. I think the fine was far too steep not unjustified. "

And I disagree, repeatedly it seems

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"There's no excuse for littering. Was the five too much? I dunno but I bet it will put her off doing it again

I really feel it was especially when you get fined less for speeding and have the option to go an education course.

So you think what she done was ok?

I didn't say that!

So you think what she done was wrong?

I didn't say that either!

Well if you can’t see that she done wrong there’s no point me going any further... I’m guessing it won’t be long till you get a similar fine..

What a ridiculous thing to say, what are you talking about?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"There's no excuse for littering. Was the five too much? I dunno but I bet it will put her off doing it again

I really feel it was especially when you get fined less for speeding and have the option to go an education course.

I didn't get the option of a speed awareness course, so paid the fine and the increased insurance premiums for years. I was speeding, I was in the wrong, no argument.

But you could have killed someone!

Yes but my point was its not even comparable but the fines are similar. I think the fine was far too steep not unjustified.

And I disagree, repeatedly it seems

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"There's no excuse for littering. Was the five too much? I dunno but I bet it will put her off doing it again

I really feel it was especially when you get fined less for speeding and have the option to go an education course.

I didn't get the option of a speed awareness course, so paid the fine and the increased insurance premiums for years. I was speeding, I was in the wrong, no argument.

But you could have killed someone!

Yes but my point was its not even comparable but the fines are similar. I think the fine was far too steep not unjustified.

And I disagree, repeatedly it seems

Don't you roll your eyes at me lady. You sought opinions, mine is valid, other people agree.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Much bigger issues on the streets than litter

But it is still an issue, and should be dealt with accordingly.jobsworths all of em like ticket muppets

You wouldn't be saying that if you couldn't park your car, or got blocked in by people being able to park with no consequences, or people tossing litter on your doorstop."
as for rubbish spent years on an estate with smack rats and bog rats dropping there crisps in my yard just picked it up and put it in a bin then put the bin in the front yard got less litter as for parking been on many hospital trips unable to park shit happens

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By *partharmonyCouple over a year ago

Ruislip

"There's no excuse for littering. Was the five too much? I dunno but I bet it will put her off doing it again

I really feel it was especially when you get fined less for speeding and have the option to go an education course.

Smokers do not have a god-given right to drop litter. They should bloody well learn that, even if it's the hard way.

May I point out it's not just smokers that litter! "

Very true, and I'm an equal-opportunities anti-litterer. Fine the whole bloody lot of them, I say. It's completely avoidable in most circumstances.

It's just that as far as I can see smokers are incredibly prolific with their littering because they think it is perfectly acceptable. It's a cultural thing. I don't regularly see people who eat crisps or drink from cans thinking they can just chuck their rubbish on the ground. Some do, certainly, and if that was a regular thing with I'd be just as angry at them.

The culture of smokers littering should be stamped out.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Fine is maybe a bit steep in comparison to more serious crimes. But honestly, it's nice to here it being enforced!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It only becomes litter of it is dropped on the floor and you walk away from it

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"There's no excuse for littering. Was the five too much? I dunno but I bet it will put her off doing it again

I really feel it was especially when you get fined less for speeding and have the option to go an education course.

I didn't get the option of a speed awareness course, so paid the fine and the increased insurance premiums for years. I was speeding, I was in the wrong, no argument.

But you could have killed someone!

Yes but my point was its not even comparable but the fines are similar. I think the fine was far too steep not unjustified.

And I disagree, repeatedly it seems

Don't you roll your eyes at me lady. You sought opinions, mine is valid, other people agree."

As is mine and I chose to roll my eyes. Don't be so condescending!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

They have to make it a £150 fine, because stocks are now illegal. Think she should also get her picture on billboards as a littering.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"It only becomes litter of it is dropped on the floor and you walk away from it

That was my understanding too.

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By *irkydirkyMan over a year ago

bolton

"There's no excuse for littering. Was the five too much? I dunno but I bet it will put her off doing it again

I really feel it was especially when you get fined less for speeding and have the option to go an education course.

So you think what she done was ok?

I didn't say that!

So you think what she done was wrong?

I didn't say that either!

Well if you can’t see that she done wrong there’s no point me going any further... I’m guessing it won’t be long till you get a similar fine..

What a ridiculous thing to say, what are you talking about?

I reread and it all makes sense to someone who dislikes littering..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So today myself and Ash where stood at a bus stop and saw a lady being fined by a street environment enforcement officer.

The fag but had bearly been discarded when he pounced and gave her an on the spot £150 fine!

She didn't drop it on the floor but extinguished it on the wall and flicked it on to a mud verge of a flower bed. Personally I feel this fine was excessive, what do you think? "

I don't think it's right to drop ciggarett butts.

But "environment enforcement officers" are dubious and I personally might be incline not to stop when they talk to me.

If I jogged away before they handed me paper I don't think they could actually fine me or start a hot persute.

It's not like the parking pricks.

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By *ENGUYMan over a year ago

Hull

"Much bigger issues on the streets than litter

But it is still an issue, and should be dealt with accordingly.jobsworths all of em like ticket muppets"

Bit unfair that. Everyone has a role in life. You may not like it, but these people are doing a job, but not necessarily being on dole, taking hangouts etc.

I did a few months as as a Traffic Warden a few years ago. I liked to think I was fair, eg, allowing delivery drivers a few extra minutes here and there to allow them to keep to schedule.

But it was the abuse I had to endure, both physical and mental that forced me out.

It's a lack of respect regardless of any role in society. Calling someone a Jobsworth Muppet is an extension of disrespect just for doing their job.

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By * and M lookingCouple over a year ago

Worcester

"So today myself and Ash where stood at a bus stop and saw a lady being fined by a street environment enforcement officer.

The fag but had bearly been discarded when he pounced and gave her an on the spot £150 fine!

She didn't drop it on the floor but extinguished it on the wall and flicked it on to a mud verge of a flower bed. Personally I feel this fine was excessive, what do you think? "

It’s a filthy habit, if it helps her to quit then good on him

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Fine is maybe a bit steep in comparison to more serious crimes. But honestly, it's nice to here it being enforced!"

I agree and I haven't once said the fine was wrong just the amount.

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By *ohn8210tCouple over a year ago

Warwick

£150 is not nearly enough .

Didn’t Singapore go from one of the dirtiest cities to one of the cleanest in the world due to people being fined for littering ?

We need a similar approach in the uk. Our local town is a disgrace due to this.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"There's no excuse for littering. Was the five too much? I dunno but I bet it will put her off doing it again

I really feel it was especially when you get fined less for speeding and have the option to go an education course.

I didn't get the option of a speed awareness course, so paid the fine and the increased insurance premiums for years. I was speeding, I was in the wrong, no argument.

But you could have killed someone!

Yes but my point was its not even comparable but the fines are similar. I think the fine was far too steep not unjustified.

And I disagree, repeatedly it seems

Don't you roll your eyes at me lady. You sought opinions, mine is valid, other people agree.

As is mine and I chose to roll my eyes. Don't be so condescending! "

Rolling your eyes at a comment is being condescending.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Fine is maybe a bit steep in comparison to more serious crimes. But honestly, it's nice to here it being enforced!"

By who?

They aren't the police.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"There's no excuse for littering. Was the five too much? I dunno but I bet it will put her off doing it again

I really feel it was especially when you get fined less for speeding and have the option to go an education course.

So you think what she done was ok?

I didn't say that!

So you think what she done was wrong?

I didn't say that either!

Well if you can’t see that she done wrong there’s no point me going any further... I’m guessing it won’t be long till you get a similar fine..

What a ridiculous thing to say, what are you talking about?

I reread and it all makes sense to someone who dislikes littering.. "

I dislike littering and you suggesting I'm likely to fine is ridiculous. At no point did I say what she did was OK, I said I thought the fine was too steep.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"it's because the filters in straight cigarettes dont biodegrade very well. I smoke rollups without a filter, so would seriously argue the toss.

If I got a £150 fine for dropping a fikterless rollup on the floor.. I'd be livid. As it happens, I flick them down a drain or put the butts in the bin usually. Out of habit.

She was smoking a roll up.

What's the difference it's still litter that someone has to clean up or it stays there and builds up

Would you leave a fab butt or roll up ?"

Rolling paper and tobacco disintegrate and degrade very quickly. Cigarettes use different papers, and all have filters that dont degrade and it's that what you're all mainly seeing on streets as litter. Rollups with filters are same problem. I dont use them.. my "littering" if I were to do it.. would disappear by itself in a days time. Why should I be slammed for that..? If someone who spilt fizzy pop all over the street isn't fined for littering? Or dropping a burger on the floor? Are people fined for spitting in street? Throwing up after a heavy night out on way back home?

It may sound pretty to you and others. I'm all for a bit of proportionate justice though and I'm argumentative

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"There's no excuse for littering. Was the five too much? I dunno but I bet it will put her off doing it again

I really feel it was especially when you get fined less for speeding and have the option to go an education course.

I didn't get the option of a speed awareness course, so paid the fine and the increased insurance premiums for years. I was speeding, I was in the wrong, no argument.

But you could have killed someone!

Yes but my point was its not even comparable but the fines are similar. I think the fine was far too steep not unjustified.

And I disagree, repeatedly it seems

Don't you roll your eyes at me lady. You sought opinions, mine is valid, other people agree.

As is mine and I chose to roll my eyes. Don't be so condescending!

Rolling your eyes at a comment is being condescending."

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By *ustme34Man over a year ago

Bingley

"it's because the filters in straight cigarettes dont biodegrade very well. I smoke rollups without a filter, so would seriously argue the toss.

If I got a £150 fine for dropping a fikterless rollup on the floor.. I'd be livid. As it happens, I flick them down a drain or put the butts in the bin usually. Out of habit.

She was smoking a roll up.

What's the difference it's still litter that someone has to clean up or it stays there and builds up

Would you leave a fab butt or roll up ?

It may sound pretty to you and others. I'm all for a bit of proportionate justice though and I'm argumentative

"
chewing gum is the worst

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I won't stub out on the floor or down drains after being fined on the spot to the tune of £80.used to do it all the time but after the fella came up to me and my friend and made £160 out of us, I don't chance it now.

Danish x

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By *partharmonyCouple over a year ago

Ruislip

"Fine is maybe a bit steep in comparison to more serious crimes. But honestly, it's nice to here it being enforced!

I agree and I haven't once said the fine was wrong just the amount. "

I'll partially agree with you there. If there were three times the amount of fines dished out, therefore teaching more people, I would be happy if it were £50.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"There's no excuse for littering. Was the five too much? I dunno but I bet it will put her off doing it again

I really feel it was especially when you get fined less for speeding and have the option to go an education course.

I didn't get the option of a speed awareness course, so paid the fine and the increased insurance premiums for years. I was speeding, I was in the wrong, no argument.

But you could have killed someone!

Yes but my point was its not even comparable but the fines are similar. I think the fine was far too steep not unjustified.

And I disagree, repeatedly it seems

Don't you roll your eyes at me lady. You sought opinions, mine is valid, other people agree.

As is mine and I chose to roll my eyes. Don't be so condescending!

Rolling your eyes at a comment is being condescending.

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By *irkydirkyMan over a year ago

bolton

Yes, you can be fined for all those things, so paper could take weeks to disappear is no different..

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By *hickennchipsWoman over a year ago

up above the streets and houses

i find it perfectly acceptable to fine her, I put my rubbish in a bin so why couldn’t she? You can bet she won’t do it again though, so job done

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yup, it's unsightly and not good for the environment. Behave responsibly and there's no problem and no fine.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So today myself and Ash where stood at a bus stop and saw a lady being fined by a street environment enforcement officer.

The fag but had bearly been discarded when he pounced and gave her an on the spot £150 fine!

She didn't drop it on the floor but extinguished it on the wall and flicked it on to a mud verge of a flower bed. Personally I feel this fine was excessive, what do you think?

It’s a filthy habit, if it helps her to quit then good on him

There are loads of filthy habits out there though that don't receive the same level of scrutiny and judgement. It's an addiction.

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By *nabelle21Woman over a year ago

B38

I think the fine is excessive and that litter bugs should be treated the same as the smoker.

I smoke and have been known to extinguish my ciggie and put it in my bag to dispose of later if no bins are available. I have also on occasions discarded it in the gutter. Given the choice I would always bin it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yup, it's unsightly and not good for the environment. Behave responsibly and there's no problem and no fine. "

I agree

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I am all for the police enforcing these rules.

But not "environment enforcement officers" because I don't trust over zealous state adgents/privately employed jobsworths..

Police get relivant training and are monitored. These other fools are not good people.

(Ciggaret butts not roaches)

The fag butts don't degrade but roaches do.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"i find it perfectly acceptable to fine her, I put my rubbish in a bin so why couldn’t she? You can bet she won’t do it again though, so job done

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By *aitonelMan over a year ago

Liverpool

"Fine is maybe a bit steep in comparison to more serious crimes. But honestly, it's nice to here it being enforced!

I agree and I haven't once said the fine was wrong just the amount. "

But that's the thing, as I said somewhere above. If it's too low people don't care anyway.

If you don't want a fine, don't take the risk and drop litter - regardless of it being actual litter or not. It's a simple task of finding a bin.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So today myself and Ash where stood at a bus stop and saw a lady being fined by a street environment enforcement officer.

The fag but had bearly been discarded when he pounced and gave her an on the spot £150 fine!

She didn't drop it on the floor but extinguished it on the wall and flicked it on to a mud verge of a flower bed. Personally I feel this fine was excessive, what do you think?

It’s a filthy habit, if it helps her to quit then good on him

There are loads of filthy habits out there though that don't receive the same level of scrutiny and judgement. It's an addiction. "

proportion

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Fine is maybe a bit steep in comparison to more serious crimes. But honestly, it's nice to here it being enforced!

I agree and I haven't once said the fine was wrong just the amount.

I'll partially agree with you there. If there were three times the amount of fines dished out, therefore teaching more people, I would be happy if it were £50."

Yes and I wouldnt mind if the money gained in fines was used to have more litter bins, street cleaners ect but I doubt it is.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's a tough one. I'm a smoker, I try to be near a bin every time I smoke in public but of course I have dropped butts! I would take the fine, but I also see why people don't agree with it!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Also I thought it was £70 if paid in a certain time limit? They must have upped it!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Fine is maybe a bit steep in comparison to more serious crimes. But honestly, it's nice to here it being enforced!

I agree and I haven't once said the fine was wrong just the amount.

But that's the thing, as I said somewhere above. If it's too low people don't care anyway.

If you don't want a fine, don't take the risk and drop litter - regardless of it being actual litter or not. It's a simple task of finding a bin. "

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By *aitonelMan over a year ago

Liverpool

"it's because the filters in straight cigarettes dont biodegrade very well. I smoke rollups without a filter, so would seriously argue the toss.

If I got a £150 fine for dropping a fikterless rollup on the floor.. I'd be livid. As it happens, I flick them down a drain or put the butts in the bin usually. Out of habit.

She was smoking a roll up.

What's the difference it's still litter that someone has to clean up or it stays there and builds up

Would you leave a fab butt or roll up ?

It may sound pretty to you and others. I'm all for a bit of proportionate justice though and I'm argumentative

Not you specifically but the genpop won't see it that way, they won't make the distinction between what is harmful or not. So they will just throw whatever, if one is acceptable most people will then condition there mind to slow believe what is comfortable and just drop litter regardless.

Im starting to ramble there, when what I should just say is that it's just good practice to correctly dispose of all rubbish and trash to avoid any uncertainty.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"it's because the filters in straight cigarettes dont biodegrade very well. I smoke rollups without a filter, so would seriously argue the toss.

If I got a £150 fine for dropping a fikterless rollup on the floor.. I'd be livid. As it happens, I flick them down a drain or put the butts in the bin usually. Out of habit.

She was smoking a roll up.

What's the difference it's still litter that someone has to clean up or it stays there and builds up

Would you leave a fab butt or roll up ?

It may sound pretty to you and others. I'm all for a bit of proportionate justice though and I'm argumentative

Im starting to ramble there, when what I should just say is that it's just good practice to correctly dispose of all rubbish and trash to avoid any uncertainty. "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"it's because the filters in straight cigarettes dont biodegrade very well. I smoke rollups without a filter, so would seriously argue the toss.

If I got a £150 fine for dropping a fikterless rollup on the floor.. I'd be livid. As it happens, I flick them down a drain or put the butts in the bin usually. Out of habit.

She was smoking a roll up.

What's the difference it's still litter that someone has to clean up or it stays there and builds up

Would you leave a fab butt or roll up ?

It may sound pretty to you and others. I'm all for a bit of proportionate justice though and I'm argumentative

Im starting to ramble there, when what I should just say is that it's just good practice to correctly dispose of all rubbish and trash to avoid any uncertainty. "

Which I do.. habit of non littering in general carrys through to smoking.

I'm just paying devils advocate to the absolutists

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Also I thought it was £70 if paid in a certain time limit? They must have upped it!!"

People have PM'd and told me about their fines and they all seem to be between £50 and £85. That is what I would have expected and deemed reasonably but £150! But it was London!

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By *partharmonyCouple over a year ago

Ruislip

I must congratulate you, OP, on starting such an emotive thread! You'll probably reach the magic 175 within two hours of posting!

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By *partharmonyCouple over a year ago

Ruislip

"Also I thought it was £70 if paid in a certain time limit? They must have upped it!!

People have PM'd and told me about their fines and they all seem to be between £50 and £85. That is what I would have expected and deemed reasonably but £150! But it was London!

Everything's more expensive in London.

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By *eds1Man over a year ago

Salisbury

"So today myself and Ash where stood at a bus stop and saw a lady being fined by a street environment enforcement officer.

The fag but had bearly been discarded when he pounced and gave her an on the spot £150 fine!

She didn't drop it on the floor but extinguished it on the wall and flicked it on to a mud verge of a flower bed. Personally I feel this fine was excessive, what do you think? "
where was this ?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I must congratulate you, OP, on starting such an emotive thread! You'll probably reach the magic 175 within two hours of posting!"

I really didn't think people would get so emotional about.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Also I thought it was £70 if paid in a certain time limit? They must have upped it!!

People have PM'd and told me about their fines and they all seem to be between £50 and £85. That is what I would have expected and deemed reasonably but £150! But it was London!

Everything's more expensive in London."

Tell me about it!

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"So today myself and Ash where stood at a bus stop and saw a lady being fined by a street environment enforcement officer.

The fag but had bearly been discarded when he pounced and gave her an on the spot £150 fine!

She didn't drop it on the floor but extinguished it on the wall and flicked it on to a mud verge of a flower bed. Personally I feel this fine was excessive, what do you think? where was this ?"

London.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Also I thought it was £70 if paid in a certain time limit? They must have upped it!!

People have PM'd and told me about their fines and they all seem to be between £50 and £85. That is what I would have expected and deemed reasonably but £150! But it was London!

it must differ between councils. £150 straight away is very steep. They should signpost it more really! That would stop some people doing it too. But, as someone has said it's nice to hear that it's being enforced anyway!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So today myself and Ash where stood at a bus stop and saw a lady being fined by a street environment enforcement officer.

The fag but had bearly been discarded when he pounced and gave her an on the spot £150 fine!

She didn't drop it on the floor but extinguished it on the wall and flicked it on to a mud verge of a flower bed. Personally I feel this fine was excessive, what do you think? "
I don't like the use of fines to enforce, it's an Americanism but I'm sick of litter bugs so if fining works I'm all for it adults are just as bad as kids but are they dealing with the Macdonald food litter culture?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Also I thought it was £70 if paid in a certain time limit? They must have upped it!!

People have PM'd and told me about their fines and they all seem to be between £50 and £85. That is what I would have expected and deemed reasonably but £150! But it was London!

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By *ENGUYMan over a year ago

Hull

"£150 is not nearly enough .

Didn’t Singapore go from one of the dirtiest cities to one of the cleanest in the world due to people being fined for littering ?

We need a similar approach in the uk. Our local town is a disgrace due to this.

I have heard it's illegal to take gum into Singapore.

Like yourself, I'm in Warwick, working Nights. Council personnel are round the town centre as early as 6am, sweeping the streets.

We used to have a cigarette butt bin outside our premises, but oddly, we had to remove it as it could deemed a danger to partially sighted people.

You can't win!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So today myself and Ash where stood at a bus stop and saw a lady being fined by a street environment enforcement officer.

The fag but had bearly been discarded when he pounced and gave her an on the spot £150 fine!

She didn't drop it on the floor but extinguished it on the wall and flicked it on to a mud verge of a flower bed. Personally I feel this fine was excessive, what do you think? I don't like the use of fines to enforce, it's an Americanism but I'm sick of litter bugs so if fining works I'm all for it adults are just as bad as kids but are they dealing with the Macdonald food litter culture? "

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By *agenta400Woman over a year ago

All over the shop

"So today myself and Ash where stood at a bus stop and saw a lady being fined by a street environment enforcement officer.

The fag but had bearly been discarded when he pounced and gave her an on the spot £150 fine!

She didn't drop it on the floor but extinguished it on the wall and flicked it on to a mud verge of a flower bed. Personally I feel this fine was excessive, what do you think? "

Oh eck. You pressed a button there. Off I go....

Fag butts are litter. Bloody things everywhere. Smoking is so antisocial, polluting, a health hazard to others and a litter menace.

It’s rare to see someone actually get fined for it.

I’d charge double.

Hate smoking.

Rant endeth.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So today myself and Ash where stood at a bus stop and saw a lady being fined by a street environment enforcement officer.

The fag but had bearly been discarded when he pounced and gave her an on the spot £150 fine!

She didn't drop it on the floor but extinguished it on the wall and flicked it on to a mud verge of a flower bed. Personally I feel this fine was excessive, what do you think?

Oh eck. You pressed a button there. Off I go....

Fag butts are litter. Bloody things everywhere. Smoking is so antisocial, polluting, a health hazard to others and a litter menace.

It’s rare to see someone actually get fined for it.

I’d charge double.

Hate smoking.

Rant endeth."

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By *agenta400Woman over a year ago

All over the shop

"They have to make it a £150 fine, because stocks are now illegal. Think she should also get her picture on billboards as a littering."

Ooooo, I like the idea of stocks. Can’t think why.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"So today myself and Ash where stood at a bus stop and saw a lady being fined by a street environment enforcement officer.

The fag but had bearly been discarded when he pounced and gave her an on the spot £150 fine!

She didn't drop it on the floor but extinguished it on the wall and flicked it on to a mud verge of a flower bed. Personally I feel this fine was excessive, what do you think?

Oh eck. You pressed a button there. Off I go....

Fag butts are litter. Bloody things everywhere. Smoking is so antisocial, polluting, a health hazard to others and a litter menace.

It’s rare to see someone actually get fined for it.

I’d charge double.

Hate smoking.

Rant endeth."

This is my point its because it was a fag butt, if I'd said it was a sandwich wrapper people wouldn't have used the thread to have a dig at smokers. I don't disagree that it's litter, I don't think it shouldn't be enforced, I do think £150 is to steep.

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By *icolerobbieCouple over a year ago

walsall

Never see those litter wardens hanging around illegal traveller camps at the local park.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Well anyway on off for a fag break but don't you worry I will be putting the butt in the nearest bin.

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By *irkydirkyMan over a year ago

bolton

"So today myself and Ash where stood at a bus stop and saw a lady being fined by a street environment enforcement officer.

The fag but had bearly been discarded when he pounced and gave her an on the spot £150 fine!

She didn't drop it on the floor but extinguished it on the wall and flicked it on to a mud verge of a flower bed. Personally I feel this fine was excessive, what do you think?

Oh eck. You pressed a button there. Off I go....

Fag butts are litter. Bloody things everywhere. Smoking is so antisocial, polluting, a health hazard to others and a litter menace.

It’s rare to see someone actually get fined for it.

I’d charge double.

Hate smoking.

Rant endeth.

The thread is about a cigarette butt.. moral of the thread, don’t litter your cigarette butts..

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By *iamondCougarWoman over a year ago

Norfuck! / Lincolnshire

Didn’t Singapore go from one of the dirtiest cities to one of the cleanest in the world due to people being fined for littering ?

Indeed it was

I have heard it's illegal to take gum into Singapore "

Correct! Gum and chewing gum is banned in Singapore

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By *ENGUYMan over a year ago

Hull

What I've found over the years is that anyone who litters has the skewed thinking that "someone will clean it up anyway!"

The same type of peopke who attend a function at the hotel where I work, and reckon it's ok to throw up in the Toilets, splattering their guts for the world to see, but not tell anyone, let alone apologise!

Or the cretin sometime in the early hours last Sunday morning to choose the entrance doors to our business to leave their piss and turds on the doorstep.

Or like the morons in fast food outlets who cannot even be bothered to return their tray of rubbish to the bins provided.

Yep, the "not my job, not my problem" thought process applied.

But if you catch any of these thickoes in the act, the response is usually, "well, it is your job!"

Hanging is too good for them!

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"So today myself and Ash where stood at a bus stop and saw a lady being fined by a street environment enforcement officer.

The fag but had bearly been discarded when he pounced and gave her an on the spot £150 fine!

She didn't drop it on the floor but extinguished it on the wall and flicked it on to a mud verge of a flower bed. Personally I feel this fine was excessive, what do you think?

Oh eck. You pressed a button there. Off I go....

Fag butts are litter. Bloody things everywhere. Smoking is so antisocial, polluting, a health hazard to others and a litter menace.

It’s rare to see someone actually get fined for it.

I’d charge double.

Hate smoking.

Rant endeth.

The thread is about a cigarette butt.. moral of the thread, don’t litter your cigarette butts.."

No the thread is about a £150 fine! And actually the moral of the story is don't litter!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Well the fine I got definitely stopped me from stubbing out on the floor again so it worked with me!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So today myself and Ash where stood at a bus stop and saw a lady being fined by a street environment enforcement officer.

The fag but had bearly been discarded when he pounced and gave her an on the spot £150 fine!

She didn't drop it on the floor but extinguished it on the wall and flicked it on to a mud verge of a flower bed. Personally I feel this fine was excessive, what do you think?

Oh eck. You pressed a button there. Off I go....

Fag butts are litter. Bloody things everywhere. Smoking is so antisocial, polluting, a health hazard to others and a litter menace.

It’s rare to see someone actually get fined for it.

I’d charge double.

Hate smoking.

Rant endeth.

The thread is about a cigarette butt.. moral of the thread, don’t litter your cigarette butts.."

I am not against smokers, but I do consider fag butts as litter, so does the law. The law says drop litter and you get fined.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"So today myself and Ash where stood at a bus stop and saw a lady being fined by a street environment enforcement officer.

The fag but had bearly been discarded when he pounced and gave her an on the spot £150 fine!

She didn't drop it on the floor but extinguished it on the wall and flicked it on to a mud verge of a flower bed. Personally I feel this fine was excessive, what do you think?

Oh eck. You pressed a button there. Off I go....

Fag butts are litter. Bloody things everywhere. Smoking is so antisocial, polluting, a health hazard to others and a litter menace.

It’s rare to see someone actually get fined for it.

I’d charge double.

Hate smoking.

Rant endeth.

The thread is about a cigarette butt.. moral of the thread, don’t litter your cigarette butts..

I am not against smokers, but I do consider fag butts as litter, so does the law. The law says drop litter and you get fined."

At no point have I said its not litter.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So today myself and Ash where stood at a bus stop and saw a lady being fined by a street environment enforcement officer.

The fag but had bearly been discarded when he pounced and gave her an on the spot £150 fine!

She didn't drop it on the floor but extinguished it on the wall and flicked it on to a mud verge of a flower bed. Personally I feel this fine was excessive, what do you think?

Oh eck. You pressed a button there. Off I go....

Fag butts are litter. Bloody things everywhere. Smoking is so antisocial, polluting, a health hazard to others and a litter menace.

It’s rare to see someone actually get fined for it.

I’d charge double.

Hate smoking.

Rant endeth.

The thread is about a cigarette butt.. moral of the thread, don’t litter your cigarette butts..

I am not against smokers, but I do consider fag butts as litter, so does the law. The law says drop litter and you get fined.

At no point have I said its not litter. "

I never said you you did. Your opening thread was that you felt it was unreasonable as it was only a roll up fag butt. I, and many disagreed that the fine should stand for a fag butt.

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman over a year ago

On a mooch

There is no excuse for it. Most the bins now have a place for you to put them out and then dispose of it. Or get a “stub it” pouch, which you can carry the butts in until you find a bin

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By *irkydirkyMan over a year ago

bolton

"So today myself and Ash where stood at a bus stop and saw a lady being fined by a street environment enforcement officer.

The fag but had bearly been discarded when he pounced and gave her an on the spot £150 fine!

She didn't drop it on the floor but extinguished it on the wall and flicked it on to a mud verge of a flower bed. Personally I feel this fine was excessive, what do you think?

Oh eck. You pressed a button there. Off I go....

Fag butts are litter. Bloody things everywhere. Smoking is so antisocial, polluting, a health hazard to others and a litter menace.

It’s rare to see someone actually get fined for it.

I’d charge double.

Hate smoking.

Rant endeth.

The thread is about a cigarette butt.. moral of the thread, don’t litter your cigarette butts..

No the thread is about a £150 fine! And actually the moral of the story is don't litter! "

At last, we are basically agreeing on the same thing..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Didn’t Singapore go from one of the dirtiest cities to one of the cleanest in the world due to people being fined for littering ?

Indeed it was

I have heard it's illegal to take gum into Singapore

Correct! Gum and chewing gum is banned in Singapore "
especially if you stick it on the bottom of your shoes

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"So today myself and Ash where stood at a bus stop and saw a lady being fined by a street environment enforcement officer.

The fag but had bearly been discarded when he pounced and gave her an on the spot £150 fine!

She didn't drop it on the floor but extinguished it on the wall and flicked it on to a mud verge of a flower bed. Personally I feel this fine was excessive, what do you think?

Oh eck. You pressed a button there. Off I go....

Fag butts are litter. Bloody things everywhere. Smoking is so antisocial, polluting, a health hazard to others and a litter menace.

It’s rare to see someone actually get fined for it.

I’d charge double.

Hate smoking.

Rant endeth.

The thread is about a cigarette butt.. moral of the thread, don’t litter your cigarette butts..

No the thread is about a £150 fine! And actually the moral of the story is don't litter!

At last, we are basically agreeing on the same thing.. "

Yes but I was able to do it without casting aspersions.

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By *irkydirkyMan over a year ago

bolton

"So today myself and Ash where stood at a bus stop and saw a lady being fined by a street environment enforcement officer.

The fag but had bearly been discarded when he pounced and gave her an on the spot £150 fine!

She didn't drop it on the floor but extinguished it on the wall and flicked it on to a mud verge of a flower bed. Personally I feel this fine was excessive, what do you think?

Oh eck. You pressed a button there. Off I go....

Fag butts are litter. Bloody things everywhere. Smoking is so antisocial, polluting, a health hazard to others and a litter menace.

It’s rare to see someone actually get fined for it.

I’d charge double.

Hate smoking.

Rant endeth.

The thread is about a cigarette butt.. moral of the thread, don’t litter your cigarette butts..

No the thread is about a £150 fine! And actually the moral of the story is don't litter!

At last, we are basically agreeing on the same thing..

Yes but I was able to do it without casting aspersions. "

Not quite, you couldn’t say what she done was wrong for a bit until you saw sense..

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"So today myself and Ash where stood at a bus stop and saw a lady being fined by a street environment enforcement officer.

The fag but had bearly been discarded when he pounced and gave her an on the spot £150 fine!

She didn't drop it on the floor but extinguished it on the wall and flicked it on to a mud verge of a flower bed. Personally I feel this fine was excessive, what do you think?

Oh eck. You pressed a button there. Off I go....

Fag butts are litter. Bloody things everywhere. Smoking is so antisocial, polluting, a health hazard to others and a litter menace.

It’s rare to see someone actually get fined for it.

I’d charge double.

Hate smoking.

Rant endeth.

The thread is about a cigarette butt.. moral of the thread, don’t litter your cigarette butts..

No the thread is about a £150 fine! And actually the moral of the story is don't litter!

At last, we are basically agreeing on the same thing..

Yes but I was able to do it without casting aspersions.

Not quite, you couldn’t say what she done was wrong for a bit until you saw sense.. "

If you read the whole thread you will see you are very wrong!

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By *tingly ByronMan over a year ago

In a town Fab forgot

£150 seems excessive but I bet she never does it again.

I bet she does, but makes sure no one's watching.

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By *irkydirkyMan over a year ago

bolton

"So today myself and Ash where stood at a bus stop and saw a lady being fined by a street environment enforcement officer.

The fag but had bearly been discarded when he pounced and gave her an on the spot £150 fine!

She didn't drop it on the floor but extinguished it on the wall and flicked it on to a mud verge of a flower bed. Personally I feel this fine was excessive, what do you think?

Oh eck. You pressed a button there. Off I go....

Fag butts are litter. Bloody things everywhere. Smoking is so antisocial, polluting, a health hazard to others and a litter menace.

It’s rare to see someone actually get fined for it.

I’d charge double.

Hate smoking.

Rant endeth.

The thread is about a cigarette butt.. moral of the thread, don’t litter your cigarette butts..

No the thread is about a £150 fine! And actually the moral of the story is don't litter!

At last, we are basically agreeing on the same thing..

Yes but I was able to do it without casting aspersions.

Not quite, you couldn’t say what she done was wrong for a bit until you saw sense..

If you read the whole thread you will see you are very wrong! "

When I asked “So do you think what she did was wrong?”

You replied.. “I didn’t say that”

It’s a good thing that you’re now saying what she did was wrong..

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"So today myself and Ash where stood at a bus stop and saw a lady being fined by a street environment enforcement officer.

The fag but had bearly been discarded when he pounced and gave her an on the spot £150 fine!

She didn't drop it on the floor but extinguished it on the wall and flicked it on to a mud verge of a flower bed. Personally I feel this fine was excessive, what do you think?

Oh eck. You pressed a button there. Off I go....

Fag butts are litter. Bloody things everywhere. Smoking is so antisocial, polluting, a health hazard to others and a litter menace.

It’s rare to see someone actually get fined for it.

I’d charge double.

Hate smoking.

Rant endeth.

The thread is about a cigarette butt.. moral of the thread, don’t litter your cigarette butts..

No the thread is about a £150 fine! And actually the moral of the story is don't litter!

At last, we are basically agreeing on the same thing..

Yes but I was able to do it without casting aspersions.

Not quite, you couldn’t say what she done was wrong for a bit until you saw sense..

If you read the whole thread you will see you are very wrong!

When I asked “So do you think what she did was wrong?”

You replied.. “I didn’t say that”

It’s a good thing that you’re now saying what she did was wrong.. "

I didn't say it was right or wrong, I was asking about the fine.

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By *irkydirkyMan over a year ago

bolton

"So today myself and Ash where stood at a bus stop and saw a lady being fined by a street environment enforcement officer.

The fag but had bearly been discarded when he pounced and gave her an on the spot £150 fine!

She didn't drop it on the floor but extinguished it on the wall and flicked it on to a mud verge of a flower bed. Personally I feel this fine was excessive, what do you think?

Oh eck. You pressed a button there. Off I go....

Fag butts are litter. Bloody things everywhere. Smoking is so antisocial, polluting, a health hazard to others and a litter menace.

It’s rare to see someone actually get fined for it.

I’d charge double.

Hate smoking.

Rant endeth.

The thread is about a cigarette butt.. moral of the thread, don’t litter your cigarette butts..

No the thread is about a £150 fine! And actually the moral of the story is don't litter!

At last, we are basically agreeing on the same thing..

Yes but I was able to do it without casting aspersions.

Not quite, you couldn’t say what she done was wrong for a bit until you saw sense..

If you read the whole thread you will see you are very wrong!

When I asked “So do you think what she did was wrong?”

You replied.. “I didn’t say that”

It’s a good thing that you’re now saying what she did was wrong..

I didn't say it was right or wrong, I was asking about the fine. "

Surely now you see it as wrong?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"So today myself and Ash where stood at a bus stop and saw a lady being fined by a street environment enforcement officer.

The fag but had bearly been discarded when he pounced and gave her an on the spot £150 fine!

She didn't drop it on the floor but extinguished it on the wall and flicked it on to a mud verge of a flower bed. Personally I feel this fine was excessive, what do you think?

Oh eck. You pressed a button there. Off I go....

Fag butts are litter. Bloody things everywhere. Smoking is so antisocial, polluting, a health hazard to others and a litter menace.

It’s rare to see someone actually get fined for it.

I’d charge double.

Hate smoking.

Rant endeth.

The thread is about a cigarette butt.. moral of the thread, don’t litter your cigarette butts..

No the thread is about a £150 fine! And actually the moral of the story is don't litter!

At last, we are basically agreeing on the same thing..

Yes but I was able to do it without casting aspersions.

Not quite, you couldn’t say what she done was wrong for a bit until you saw sense..

If you read the whole thread you will see you are very wrong!

When I asked “So do you think what she did was wrong?”

You replied.. “I didn’t say that”

It’s a good thing that you’re now saying what she did was wrong..

I didn't say it was right or wrong, I was asking about the fine.

Surely now you see it as wrong? "

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By *irkydirkyMan over a year ago

bolton

"So today myself and Ash where stood at a bus stop and saw a lady being fined by a street environment enforcement officer.

The fag but had bearly been discarded when he pounced and gave her an on the spot £150 fine!

She didn't drop it on the floor but extinguished it on the wall and flicked it on to a mud verge of a flower bed. Personally I feel this fine was excessive, what do you think?

Oh eck. You pressed a button there. Off I go....

Fag butts are litter. Bloody things everywhere. Smoking is so antisocial, polluting, a health hazard to others and a litter menace.

It’s rare to see someone actually get fined for it.

I’d charge double.

Hate smoking.

Rant endeth.

The thread is about a cigarette butt.. moral of the thread, don’t litter your cigarette butts..

No the thread is about a £150 fine! And actually the moral of the story is don't litter!

At last, we are basically agreeing on the same thing..

Yes but I was able to do it without casting aspersions.

Not quite, you couldn’t say what she done was wrong for a bit until you saw sense..

If you read the whole thread you will see you are very wrong!

When I asked “So do you think what she did was wrong?”

You replied.. “I didn’t say that”

It’s a good thing that you’re now saying what she did was wrong..

I didn't say it was right or wrong, I was asking about the fine.

Surely now you see it as wrong?

Hopefully with time you will..

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

It's an incredibly excessive fine for the actual activity and materials concerned.

The conservative government has cut £billions of our taxes from local councils who are struggling to fund basic services, so they've resorted to imposing such charges and fines as income streams and maybe to reduce some problems.

An appropriate fone could have been £20, which is a huge amount for many people, potentially half a days nett income.

O dislike litter and fly tipping is a serious problem. Unfortunately looking covertly for someone dropping a small piece of litter is easy pickings.

I'd campaign to my local councillors to get it reduced for small item offences at least.

This is an area where national government can make changes but keep the criticsm at local government. As abhorrent as throwing litter is, all actions need relevant counter measures.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm struggling to see any smart reason from the opposition side, you would rather live in a dump tripping over trash as you walk around

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"She did the crime, she pays the fine

Is it really a crime?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I'm struggling to see any smart reason from the opposition side, you would rather live in a dump tripping over trash as you walk around

No one is opposing the fine, just the amount.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm struggling to see any smart reason from the opposition side, you would rather live in a dump tripping over trash as you walk around

No one is opposing the fine, just the amount. "

You do realise the amount is doing the exact thing it was intended to do? The very reason you're arguing that it's too high means that it's doing the job it was meant to do.

If it was any less people wouldn't think twice about it and surely chance it again.

It literally worked perfectly considering how upset people are about the cost.

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By *oddyWoman over a year ago

between havant and chichester

Same thing happened to me a bit of paper fell out my pocket and the bastard fined me 85.00 they have cameras filming as they walk round for proof

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I'm struggling to see any smart reason from the opposition side, you would rather live in a dump tripping over trash as you walk around

No one is opposing the fine, just the amount.

You do realise the amount is doing the exact thing it was intended to do? The very reason you're arguing that it's too high means that it's doing the job it was meant to do.

If it was any less people wouldn't think twice about it and surely chance it again.

It literally worked perfectly considering how upset people are about the cost."

Yes they would! Someone in this thread said they got fined £80 and never has or would do it again.

Not sure about you but most people would think twice at £50 as that's a lot of money to loose for many.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm struggling to see any smart reason from the opposition side, you would rather live in a dump tripping over trash as you walk around

No one is opposing the fine, just the amount.

You do realise the amount is doing the exact thing it was intended to do? The very reason you're arguing that it's too high means that it's doing the job it was meant to do.

If it was any less people wouldn't think twice about it and surely chance it again.

It literally worked perfectly considering how upset people are about the cost.

Yes they would! Someone in this thread said they got fined £80 and never has or would do it again.

Not sure about you but most people would think twice at £50 as that's a lot of money to loose for many. "

Never has or would do it again, that is literally a single persons opnion which also isn;t a fact btw.

And where is the research to support your statement of "most people would think twice at $50"? I would 100% argue that's not the case and that most people would just assume they'll never get caught again. Not to mention if you're already wasting so much money on smoking what's another $50 for you.

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By *alking HeadMan over a year ago

Bolton

How do they actually extract the money from you? How do they manage to stop you in your tracks and force you to give them your details? Genuine question, because they wouldn't be getting anything from me.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I'm struggling to see any smart reason from the opposition side, you would rather live in a dump tripping over trash as you walk around

No one is opposing the fine, just the amount.

You do realise the amount is doing the exact thing it was intended to do? The very reason you're arguing that it's too high means that it's doing the job it was meant to do.

If it was any less people wouldn't think twice about it and surely chance it again.

It literally worked perfectly considering how upset people are about the cost.

Yes they would! Someone in this thread said they got fined £80 and never has or would do it again.

Not sure about you but most people would think twice at £50 as that's a lot of money to loose for many.

Never has or would do it again, that is literally a single persons opnion which also isn;t a fact btw.

Well I wish £50 was not much but you live in a different world to me then.

I really don't understand why people don't so upset that others dare to have a different opinion.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"How do they actually extract the money from you? How do they manage to stop you in your tracks and force you to give them your details? Genuine question, because they wouldn't be getting anything from me."

I'm not sure to be honest. The lady today gave her details, name address ect. I'm not sure what would happen if she refused.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

I'm not sure to be honest. The lady today gave her details, name address ect. I'm not sure what would happen if she refused. "

Thinking about it I didn't see him ask her for any ID so she could have easily given false details.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm struggling to see any smart reason from the opposition side, you would rather live in a dump tripping over trash as you walk around

No one is opposing the fine, just the amount.

You do realise the amount is doing the exact thing it was intended to do? The very reason you're arguing that it's too high means that it's doing the job it was meant to do.

If it was any less people wouldn't think twice about it and surely chance it again.

It literally worked perfectly considering how upset people are about the cost.

Yes they would! Someone in this thread said they got fined £80 and never has or would do it again.

Not sure about you but most people would think twice at £50 as that's a lot of money to loose for many.

Never has or would do it again, that is literally a single persons opnion which also isn;t a fact btw.

Well I wish £50 was not much but you live in a different world to me then.

I really don't understand why people don't so upset that others dare to have a different opinion. "

Your argument is as valid as me going to a store and when arriving at the checkout saying, well the prices for these groceries are outrageous, they should be 66% off.