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"Anyone else find it a bit creepy when a bloke refers to himself as a ‘gentlemen’. What does that actually mean, you treat women with respect and Courtesy, oh well done, that surely should be the bare minimum of any man. Or am I missing something here. Its similar when a woman calls herself ‘classy’ or ‘sophisticated’, not sure what qualifies for either of those either, it’s all a bit self indulgent and Self congratulatory ?!" Unfortunately it’s not the bare minimum of any man no. | |||
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"It means he gets out of the bath to wee in the sink. As opposed to pissing into a sponge and squeezing it into the sink. "I wait until I've done in the bath, then piss in it as it drains. Saves water. | |||
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"Agreed, it's not something that you can decide about yourself and shouting that you are usually means that you're not. Virtue is it's own reward. Telling others that you helped someone with their shopping or held the door open for someone doesn't make you better, its just looking for plaudits for being a decent human, which probably means that you're not! Tea" It's like people who announce on fb they aren't sending Christmas cards cos they are donating to charity instead. Bullshit. You just can't be arsed with the cards, and felt like you had to come up with a good excuse! Newsflash - you could have done that without telling everyone... | |||
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 I agree that it should be the bare minimum standard. And I agree that 'virtue signalling' by calling yourself a gent can be misinterpreted. But I don't think it's creepy. And it would seem that being a 'gent' is still valued by some fabbers. Mind you, I also say on my profile that I'm a bit old fashioned   | |||
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"Yeah bit 1800s for me i like being a sewer rat its much more fun"  | |||
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"When I think of a gentleman I think of my Dad. He would walk on the outside of my Mum alongside the road, open doors, he always respectful and considerate, he looked smart, he always put her before himself. He was a loyal, honourable man. The very best best role model a girl could have "This is how I would define a gentleman too... | |||
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"I don't find it creepy as such. I think it can be well intentioned and to indicate particular behaviours like the ones Babs describes. It could be seen as virtue signalling and yes, it's possible that's the case in some situations but overall I think it means they think they have a particular frame of mind and show mindfulness towards women. " I think it’s for other people to say it about you, not for you to say it about yourself. | |||
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"...it's possible that's the case in some situations but overall I think it means they think they have a particular frame of mind and show mindfulness towards women. I think it’s for other people to say it about you, not for you to say it about yourself. " Yes James, I understood your stance from your Op. (Ask me tomorrow and mine might have changed  )
I think that if people choose to self label and it's something that you don't personally agree with as a label? Well it's done a good job of showing you as not compatible. | |||
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"In my experience here and elsewhere it’s often been the prelude to a lot of patronising, condescension and tedious arguments about not letting me pay my share. I apologise to self-labelled ‘gentlemen’ who are not like this but I avoid profiles using that label, especially at the upper end of the age range I meet." I know what you mean. But that is, in my opinion, an 'acquired behaviour'. If they are patronising and condescending they cannot be gentlemen. They are acting out a role, what they think a gentleman should behave like. Being a gentleman does not equate to a man attempting to subjugate, dismiss or otherwise attempt to dominate a woman with passive/agressive or any other type of behaviour. | |||
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"I don't find it creepy as such. I think it can be well intentioned and to indicate particular behaviours like the ones Babs describes. It could be seen as virtue signalling and yes, it's possible that's the case in some situations but overall I think it means they think they have a particular frame of mind and show mindfulness towards women. " Yes. This is how I mean it. I suppose 'gentleman' still has Victorian connotations. I feel a bit poo now. | |||
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"Yes I find it a bit weird, and if someone calls themselves "classy" I'm immediately put off. Which probably says a lot about me " | |||
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"I’m a simpleman." Yes you are. | |||
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"I'm just Welsh "I would call you a gentleman. Definitely x | |||
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"In my experience here and elsewhere it’s often been the prelude to a lot of patronising, condescension and tedious arguments about not letting me pay my share. I apologise to self-labelled ‘gentlemen’ who are not like this but I avoid profiles using that label, especially at the upper end of the age range I meet." God yeah. Having to calm someone down because I wanted to buy my own damn coffee is not my idea of a good time. | |||
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"It's totally infantilising to women if it involves opening their car door or placing them on the inside of the pavement. My last boyfriend tried to do that so I'd walk in the actual road to piss him off. " It’s hardly infantilising to women | |||
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"It's totally infantilising to women if it involves opening their car door or placing them on the inside of the pavement. My last boyfriend tried to do that so I'd walk in the actual road to piss him off. It’s hardly infantilising to women "It can be, and a good person would respect the wishes of the person they're with rather than insisting on formalities that make them uncomfortable. | |||
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"I think its quite an old school thing to be gentlemanly which is why so many men put it on their profile, so some women might think they will be treated in a more ladylike way ... " I do hope so. | |||
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"The term 'gentleman' and what it denotes has a modern meaning. The gentleman of this century isn't an entitled aristocrat who was ascribed the label. I see no harm in someone calling themselves a gentleman if they can also state what codes they live by to do so. I wouldn't be able to tolerate anyone using the term to indicate that they believed themselves to be 'aware' of 'what the ladies' want or need. Or that they felt the need to protect females or do their thinking and talking for them. For me gentlemen are honourable no more no less. " | |||
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"It's totally infantilising to women if it involves opening their car door or placing them on the inside of the pavement. My last boyfriend tried to do that so I'd walk in the actual road to piss him off. It’s hardly infantilising to women
It can be, and a good person would respect the wishes of the person they're with rather than insisting on formalities that make them uncomfortable. "Completely. A gentleman would accept that though. An arsehole wouldn’t. | |||
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"In my experience here and elsewhere it’s often been the prelude to a lot of patronising, condescension and tedious arguments about not letting me pay my share. I apologise to self-labelled ‘gentlemen’ who are not like this but I avoid profiles using that label, especially at the upper end of the age range I meet. God yeah. Having to calm someone down because I wanted to buy my own damn coffee is not my idea of a good time. " In a beautifully expressed nutshell! | |||
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"When I think of a gentleman I think of my Dad. He would walk on the outside of my Mum alongside the road, open doors, he always respectful and considerate, he looked smart, he always put her before himself. He was a loyal, honourable man. The very best best role model a girl could have "This is my idea of being a gentleman .... | |||
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"It's totally infantilising to women if it involves opening their car door or placing them on the inside of the pavement. My last boyfriend tried to do that so I'd walk in the actual road to piss him off. It’s hardly infantilising to women
It can be, and a good person would respect the wishes of the person they're with rather than insisting on formalities that make them uncomfortable.
Completely. A gentleman would accept that though. An arsehole wouldn’t. "Even if the arsehole called himself a gentleman? This is part of the problem with a guy calling himself it. | |||
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"It's totally infantilising to women if it involves opening their car door or placing them on the inside of the pavement. My last boyfriend tried to do that so I'd walk in the actual road to piss him off. " Classy... | |||
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"It's totally infantilising to women if it involves opening their car door or placing them on the inside of the pavement. My last boyfriend tried to do that so I'd walk in the actual road to piss him off. It’s hardly infantilising to women
It can be, and a good person would respect the wishes of the person they're with rather than insisting on formalities that make them uncomfortable.
Completely. A gentleman would accept that though. An arsehole wouldn’t.
Even if the arsehole called himself a gentleman?
This is part of the problem with a guy calling himself it. "He may call himself handsome as well. I’m not sure I get your point? Men who don’t call themselves gentlemen behave that way. | |||
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"Anyone else find it a bit creepy when a bloke refers to himself as a ‘gentlemen’. What does that actually mean, you treat women with respect and Courtesy, oh well done, that surely should be the bare minimum of any man. Or am I missing something here. Its similar when a woman calls herself ‘classy’ or ‘sophisticated’, not sure what qualifies for either of those either, it’s all a bit self indulgent and Self congratulatory ?!" Try again. I agree. Was it really that hard to post agreement? I made it look that way | |||
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"I think it’s for other people to say it about you, not for you to say it about yourself. " This. | |||
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"It's totally infantilising to women if it involves opening their car door or placing them on the inside of the pavement. My last boyfriend tried to do that so I'd walk in the actual road to piss him off. It’s hardly infantilising to women
It can be, and a good person would respect the wishes of the person they're with rather than insisting on formalities that make them uncomfortable.
Completely. A gentleman would accept that though. An arsehole wouldn’t.
Even if the arsehole called himself a gentleman?
This is part of the problem with a guy calling himself it. "Indeed. Many would rather hold a door, buy a coffee, than actually give a damn what makes me comfortable. It's deeply unpleasant. | |||
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"It's totally infantilising to women if it involves opening their car door or placing them on the inside of the pavement. My last boyfriend tried to do that so I'd walk in the actual road to piss him off. It’s hardly infantilising to women " | |||
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"The term 'gentleman' and what it denotes has a modern meaning. The gentleman of this century isn't an entitled aristocrat who was ascribed the label. I see no harm in someone calling themselves a gentleman if they can also state what codes they live by to do so. I wouldn't be able to tolerate anyone using the term to indicate that they believed themselves to be 'aware' of 'what the ladies' want or need. Or that they felt the need to protect females or do their thinking and talking for them. For me gentlemen are honourable no more no less. " I expect any person I deal with on fab to be honourable. And not make a fuss when I buy them a drink. I don’t think that’s particularly gentlemanly or gentlewomanly. It’s just about being a decent human being. | |||
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"It's totally infantilising to women if it involves opening their car door or placing them on the inside of the pavement. My last boyfriend tried to do that so I'd walk in the actual road to piss him off. It’s hardly infantilising to women
It can be, and a good person would respect the wishes of the person they're with rather than insisting on formalities that make them uncomfortable.
Completely. A gentleman would accept that though. An arsehole wouldn’t.
Even if the arsehole called himself a gentleman?
This is part of the problem with a guy calling himself it.
Indeed. Many would rather hold a door, buy a coffee, than actually give a damn what makes me comfortable. It's deeply unpleasant. "Do you not like that then? Men holding doors open etc? | |||
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"It's totally infantilising to women if it involves opening their car door or placing them on the inside of the pavement. My last boyfriend tried to do that so I'd walk in the actual road to piss him off. It’s hardly infantilising to women
It can be, and a good person would respect the wishes of the person they're with rather than insisting on formalities that make them uncomfortable.
Completely. A gentleman would accept that though. An arsehole wouldn’t.
Even if the arsehole called himself a gentleman?
This is part of the problem with a guy calling himself it.
Indeed. Many would rather hold a door, buy a coffee, than actually give a damn what makes me comfortable. It's deeply unpleasant.
Do you not like that then? Men holding doors open etc? "Can't stand it. | |||
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"I think its quite an old school thing to be gentlemanly which is why so many men put it on their profile, so some women might think they will be treated in a more ladylike way ... I do hope so. " I do too but i fear that many younger men haven't a clue how to behave like said gentleman, in or out of the bedroom, and just say it because it looks good.. | |||
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"The term 'gentleman' and what it denotes has a modern meaning. The gentleman of this century isn't an entitled aristocrat who was ascribed the label. I see no harm in someone calling themselves a gentleman if they can also state what codes they live by to do so. I wouldn't be able to tolerate anyone using the term to indicate that they believed themselves to be 'aware' of 'what the ladies' want or need. Or that they felt the need to protect females or do their thinking and talking for them. For me gentlemen are honourable no more no less. I expect any person I deal with on fab to be honourable. And not make a fuss when I buy them a drink. I don’t think that’s particularly gentlemanly or gentlewomanly. It’s just about being a decent human being. " I’ve never had any man object to me buying a drink. I would say thats more about the character rather than if they call themselves a gentleman though. | |||
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"I’m not ashamed to admit I love a gentleman and the chivalry that goes with it. When we get to the bedroom, that’s when the “bit of rough” can come out!!" Me too. Shame they’re a dying breed. Let’s hope they don’t all get too scared to hold a door open or give a seat up just in case they encounter some extreme feminist  | |||
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"It means he gets out of the bath to wee in the sink. As opposed to pissing into a sponge and squeezing it into the sink. "Fuck I never thought of that!! | |||
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"It's totally infantilising to women if it involves opening their car door or placing them on the inside of the pavement. My last boyfriend tried to do that so I'd walk in the actual road to piss him off. It’s hardly infantilising to women "Small children need assisting with their car doors, or keeping away from the road for their own safety. Why would a grown woman need a man to do these things for her? I'm all for courteous and respectful behaviour, both ways, but I find it patronising to be treated as though I'm not capable of looking after myself. | |||
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"It's totally infantilising to women if it involves opening their car door or placing them on the inside of the pavement. My last boyfriend tried to do that so I'd walk in the actual road to piss him off. It’s hardly infantilising to women
It can be, and a good person would respect the wishes of the person they're with rather than insisting on formalities that make them uncomfortable.
Completely. A gentleman would accept that though. An arsehole wouldn’t.
Even if the arsehole called himself a gentleman?
This is part of the problem with a guy calling himself it.
Indeed. Many would rather hold a door, buy a coffee, than actually give a damn what makes me comfortable. It's deeply unpleasant.
Do you not like that then? Men holding doors open etc?
Can't stand it. "And that’s the beauty of the world we live in, we’re all different. I love to have a door held open for me and I do it for others. | |||
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"The term 'gentleman' and what it denotes has a modern meaning. The gentleman of this century isn't an entitled aristocrat who was ascribed the label. I see no harm in someone calling themselves a gentleman if they can also state what codes they live by to do so. I wouldn't be able to tolerate anyone using the term to indicate that they believed themselves to be 'aware' of 'what the ladies' want or need. Or that they felt the need to protect females or do their thinking and talking for them. For me gentlemen are honourable no more no less. I expect any person I deal with on fab to be honourable. And not make a fuss when I buy them a drink. I don’t think that’s particularly gentlemanly or gentlewomanly. It’s just about being a decent human being. " Christ. I call myself decent in my profile too Here's me thinking they were good traits. Think a re-write is on the cards | |||
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"It's totally infantilising to women if it involves opening their car door or placing them on the inside of the pavement. My last boyfriend tried to do that so I'd walk in the actual road to piss him off. It’s hardly infantilising to women
Small children need assisting with their car doors, or keeping away from the road for their own safety. Why would a grown woman need a man to do these things for her? I'm all for courteous and respectful behaviour, both ways, but I find it patronising to be treated as though I'm not capable of looking after myself. "Women don’t ‘need’ those things to be done for them. I never said they did either. If you find it patronising then that’s fine. I, on the other hand, do not. | |||
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"I’m not ashamed to admit I love a gentleman and the chivalry that goes with it. When we get to the bedroom, that’s when the “bit of rough” can come out!!" See if they didn’t use the ‘g’ word, but were respectful, transparent and only called me a nasty little slut within the bedroom, I’d absolutely agree with you. Perhaps this is about a difference in what ‘gentleman ‘ means across age groups? For me it has usually been used as a screen to excuse incredibly misogynist behaviour. | |||
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"The term 'gentleman' and what it denotes has a modern meaning. The gentleman of this century isn't an entitled aristocrat who was ascribed the label. I see no harm in someone calling themselves a gentleman if they can also state what codes they live by to do so. I wouldn't be able to tolerate anyone using the term to indicate that they believed themselves to be 'aware' of 'what the ladies' want or need. Or that they felt the need to protect females or do their thinking and talking for them. For me gentlemen are honourable no more no less. I expect any person I deal with on fab to be honourable. And not make a fuss when I buy them a drink. I don’t think that’s particularly gentlemanly or gentlewomanly. It’s just about being a decent human being. Christ. I call myself decent in my profile too Here's me thinking they were good traits. Think a re-write is on the cards " | |||
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"It's totally infantilising to women if it involves opening their car door or placing them on the inside of the pavement. My last boyfriend tried to do that so I'd walk in the actual road to piss him off. It’s hardly infantilising to women
It can be, and a good person would respect the wishes of the person they're with rather than insisting on formalities that make them uncomfortable.
Completely. A gentleman would accept that though. An arsehole wouldn’t.
Even if the arsehole called himself a gentleman?
This is part of the problem with a guy calling himself it.
Indeed. Many would rather hold a door, buy a coffee, than actually give a damn what makes me comfortable. It's deeply unpleasant.
Do you not like that then? Men holding doors open etc?
Can't stand it.
And that’s the beauty of the world we live in, we’re all different. I love to have a door held open for me and I do it for others."Same here. It’s common courtesy as far as I’m concerned! | |||
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"It's totally infantilising to women if it involves opening their car door or placing them on the inside of the pavement. My last boyfriend tried to do that so I'd walk in the actual road to piss him off. It’s hardly infantilising to women
Small children need assisting with their car doors, or keeping away from the road for their own safety. Why would a grown woman need a man to do these things for her? I'm all for courteous and respectful behaviour, both ways, but I find it patronising to be treated as though I'm not capable of looking after myself.
Women don’t ‘need’ those things to be done for them. I never said they did either.
If you find it patronising then that’s fine. I, on the other hand, do not. "Fair enough | |||
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"It's totally infantilising to women if it involves opening their car door or placing them on the inside of the pavement. My last boyfriend tried to do that so I'd walk in the actual road to piss him off. It’s hardly infantilising to women
It can be, and a good person would respect the wishes of the person they're with rather than insisting on formalities that make them uncomfortable.
Completely. A gentleman would accept that though. An arsehole wouldn’t.
Even if the arsehole called himself a gentleman?
This is part of the problem with a guy calling himself it.
He may call himself handsome as well. I’m not sure I get your point? Men who don’t call themselves gentlemen behave that way. "True, they do. A guy who called himself a gentleman could also behave that way. Personally I think that calling yourself one effectively negates the gentility that makes a person a gentleman. If others call you it, then fine, claiming to be one seems a little odd. To my mind it's a little like shouting about the fact that I didn't kill anyone today | |||
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"It's totally infantilising to women if it involves opening their car door or placing them on the inside of the pavement. My last boyfriend tried to do that so I'd walk in the actual road to piss him off. It’s hardly infantilising to women
Small children need assisting with their car doors, or keeping away from the road for their own safety. Why would a grown woman need a man to do these things for her? I'm all for courteous and respectful behaviour, both ways, but I find it patronising to be treated as though I'm not capable of looking after myself.
Women don’t ‘need’ those things to be done for them. I never said they did either.
If you find it patronising then that’s fine. I, on the other hand, do not. "There's a risk of it appearing or being patronising. It's a matter of personal preference and interpretation in a given situation. I think I'm not the only one saying that some people do these things in ways that are unpleasant. Yes they're doing the "right" "nice" things, but if we don't perform along with their little dance then they get upset. I try not to play. | |||
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"It's totally infantilising to women if it involves opening their car door or placing them on the inside of the pavement. My last boyfriend tried to do that so I'd walk in the actual road to piss him off. It’s hardly infantilising to women
It can be, and a good person would respect the wishes of the person they're with rather than insisting on formalities that make them uncomfortable.
Completely. A gentleman would accept that though. An arsehole wouldn’t.
Even if the arsehole called himself a gentleman?
This is part of the problem with a guy calling himself it.
Indeed. Many would rather hold a door, buy a coffee, than actually give a damn what makes me comfortable. It's deeply unpleasant.
Do you not like that then? Men holding doors open etc?
Can't stand it.
And that’s the beauty of the world we live in, we’re all different. I love to have a door held open for me and I do it for others."I always appreciate a door being held open and I do the same in return. That's just good manners. | |||
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"The term 'gentleman' and what it denotes has a modern meaning. The gentleman of this century isn't an entitled aristocrat who was ascribed the label. I see no harm in someone calling themselves a gentleman if they can also state what codes they live by to do so. I wouldn't be able to tolerate anyone using the term to indicate that they believed themselves to be 'aware' of 'what the ladies' want or need. Or that they felt the need to protect females or do their thinking and talking for them. For me gentlemen are honourable no more no less. I expect any person I deal with on fab to be honourable. And not make a fuss when I buy them a drink. I don’t think that’s particularly gentlemanly or gentlewomanly. It’s just about being a decent human being. Christ. I call myself decent in my profile too Here's me thinking they were good traits. Think a re-write is on the cards "No no. Decent is good. Transparent is good too. Just don’t be calling me ‘little lady’, telling me all women ‘secretly want to be dominated’ and spend 40 minutes talking about yourself without asking me a single question. And then not listening to my incredibly witty answer. | |||
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"The term 'gentleman' and what it denotes has a modern meaning. The gentleman of this century isn't an entitled aristocrat who was ascribed the label. I see no harm in someone calling themselves a gentleman if they can also state what codes they live by to do so. I wouldn't be able to tolerate anyone using the term to indicate that they believed themselves to be 'aware' of 'what the ladies' want or need. Or that they felt the need to protect females or do their thinking and talking for them. For me gentlemen are honourable no more no less. I expect any person I deal with on fab to be honourable. And not make a fuss when I buy them a drink. I don’t think that’s particularly gentlemanly or gentlewomanly. It’s just about being a decent human being. Christ. I call myself decent in my profile too Here's me thinking they were good traits. Think a re-write is on the cards
No no. Decent is good. Transparent is good too. Just don’t be calling me ‘little lady’, telling me all women ‘secretly want to be dominated’ and spend 40 minutes talking about yourself without asking me a single question. And then not listening to my incredibly witty answer."I remember one guy, I said I liked reading and intimated I was intelligent. A gentleman he claimed to be. He loved a little lady who reads! Mills and Boon? | |||
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"It's totally infantilising to women if it involves opening their car door or placing them on the inside of the pavement. My last boyfriend tried to do that so I'd walk in the actual road to piss him off. It’s hardly infantilising to women
Small children need assisting with their car doors, or keeping away from the road for their own safety. Why would a grown woman need a man to do these things for her? I'm all for courteous and respectful behaviour, both ways, but I find it patronising to be treated as though I'm not capable of looking after myself.
Women don’t ‘need’ those things to be done for them. I never said they did either.
If you find it patronising then that’s fine. I, on the other hand, do not.
There's a risk of it appearing or being patronising. It's a matter of personal preference and interpretation in a given situation.
I think I'm not the only one saying that some people do these things in ways that are unpleasant. Yes they're doing the "right" "nice" things, but if we don't perform along with their little dance then they get upset. I try not to play. "I appreciate what you’re saying. I think that if a man is expecting you to ‘perform’ in a particular way when you’re not comfortable then they really aren’t being a gentleman at all. | |||
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"It's totally infantilising to women if it involves opening their car door or placing them on the inside of the pavement. My last boyfriend tried to do that so I'd walk in the actual road to piss him off. It’s hardly infantilising to women
Small children need assisting with their car doors, or keeping away from the road for their own safety. Why would a grown woman need a man to do these things for her? I'm all for courteous and respectful behaviour, both ways, but I find it patronising to be treated as though I'm not capable of looking after myself.
Women don’t ‘need’ those things to be done for them. I never said they did either.
If you find it patronising then that’s fine. I, on the other hand, do not.
There's a risk of it appearing or being patronising. It's a matter of personal preference and interpretation in a given situation.
I think I'm not the only one saying that some people do these things in ways that are unpleasant. Yes they're doing the "right" "nice" things, but if we don't perform along with their little dance then they get upset. I try not to play. "I disagree. Not once has it even crossed my mind that it’s patronising for a man to hold a door open for me, open the car door for me, pull my seat out at a restaurant, take my coat for me. I like it. I like a gentleman and I think it’s a damn shame that some men won’t do this anymore for fear of getting a mouthful, I really do. | |||
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"It's totally infantilising to women if it involves opening their car door or placing them on the inside of the pavement. My last boyfriend tried to do that so I'd walk in the actual road to piss him off. It’s hardly infantilising to women
Small children need assisting with their car doors, or keeping away from the road for their own safety. Why would a grown woman need a man to do these things for her? I'm all for courteous and respectful behaviour, both ways, but I find it patronising to be treated as though I'm not capable of looking after myself.
Women don’t ‘need’ those things to be done for them. I never said they did either.
If you find it patronising then that’s fine. I, on the other hand, do not.
There's a risk of it appearing or being patronising. It's a matter of personal preference and interpretation in a given situation.
I think I'm not the only one saying that some people do these things in ways that are unpleasant. Yes they're doing the "right" "nice" things, but if we don't perform along with their little dance then they get upset. I try not to play. "I had thought this was reserved for women mid forties and over. I’m sad to read that you experience it too. | |||
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"It's totally infantilising to women if it involves opening their car door or placing them on the inside of the pavement. My last boyfriend tried to do that so I'd walk in the actual road to piss him off. It’s hardly infantilising to women
Small children need assisting with their car doors, or keeping away from the road for their own safety. Why would a grown woman need a man to do these things for her? I'm all for courteous and respectful behaviour, both ways, but I find it patronising to be treated as though I'm not capable of looking after myself.
Women don’t ‘need’ those things to be done for them. I never said they did either.
If you find it patronising then that’s fine. I, on the other hand, do not.
There's a risk of it appearing or being patronising. It's a matter of personal preference and interpretation in a given situation.
I think I'm not the only one saying that some people do these things in ways that are unpleasant. Yes they're doing the "right" "nice" things, but if we don't perform along with their little dance then they get upset. I try not to play.
I disagree. Not once has it even crossed my mind that it’s patronising for a man to hold a door open for me, open the car door for me, pull my seat out at a restaurant, take my coat for me. I like it. I like a gentleman and I think it’s a damn shame that some men won’t do this anymore for fear of getting a mouthful, I really do. "But I said it's a matter of preference and interpretation. I also previously said that my "mouthful" amounts to no thank you. You're allowed to like it, I'm allowed not to. | |||
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"I’m not ashamed to admit I love a gentleman and the chivalry that goes with it. When we get to the bedroom, that’s when the “bit of rough” can come out!! See if they didn’t use the ‘g’ word, but were respectful, transparent and only called me a nasty little slut within the bedroom, I’d absolutely agree with you. Perhaps this is about a difference in what ‘gentleman ‘ means across age groups? For me it has usually been used as a screen to excuse incredibly misogynist behaviour." Yes I personally don’t associate it with a negative Male personality - I would always use it to describe someone in a complimentary fashion. | |||
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"It's totally infantilising to women if it involves opening their car door or placing them on the inside of the pavement. My last boyfriend tried to do that so I'd walk in the actual road to piss him off. It’s hardly infantilising to women
Small children need assisting with their car doors, or keeping away from the road for their own safety. Why would a grown woman need a man to do these things for her? I'm all for courteous and respectful behaviour, both ways, but I find it patronising to be treated as though I'm not capable of looking after myself.
Women don’t ‘need’ those things to be done for them. I never said they did either.
If you find it patronising then that’s fine. I, on the other hand, do not.
There's a risk of it appearing or being patronising. It's a matter of personal preference and interpretation in a given situation.
I think I'm not the only one saying that some people do these things in ways that are unpleasant. Yes they're doing the "right" "nice" things, but if we don't perform along with their little dance then they get upset. I try not to play.
I disagree. Not once has it even crossed my mind that it’s patronising for a man to hold a door open for me, open the car door for me, pull my seat out at a restaurant, take my coat for me. I like it. I like a gentleman and I think it’s a damn shame that some men won’t do this anymore for fear of getting a mouthful, I really do.
But I said it's a matter of preference and interpretation. I also previously said that my "mouthful" amounts to no thank you.
You're allowed to like it, I'm allowed not to. "I know. I’m giving my opinion as I always do. | |||
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"It's totally infantilising to women if it involves opening their car door or placing them on the inside of the pavement. My last boyfriend tried to do that so I'd walk in the actual road to piss him off. It’s hardly infantilising to women
It can be, and a good person would respect the wishes of the person they're with rather than insisting on formalities that make them uncomfortable.
Completely. A gentleman would accept that though. An arsehole wouldn’t.
Even if the arsehole called himself a gentleman?
This is part of the problem with a guy calling himself it.
Indeed. Many would rather hold a door, buy a coffee, than actually give a damn what makes me comfortable. It's deeply unpleasant.
Do you not like that then? Men holding doors open etc?
Can't stand it.
And that’s the beauty of the world we live in, we’re all different. I love to have a door held open for me and I do it for others.
I always appreciate a door being held open and I do the same in return. That's just good manners. "Its something I've always done, For Men and Women, I've gone past thinking what they think about it or if people don't do it for me, most times I don't even look back or at them when I do it | |||
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"It's totally infantilising to women if it involves opening their car door or placing them on the inside of the pavement. My last boyfriend tried to do that so I'd walk in the actual road to piss him off. It’s hardly infantilising to women
Small children need assisting with their car doors, or keeping away from the road for their own safety. Why would a grown woman need a man to do these things for her? I'm all for courteous and respectful behaviour, both ways, but I find it patronising to be treated as though I'm not capable of looking after myself. " | |||
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"It's totally infantilising to women if it involves opening their car door or placing them on the inside of the pavement. My last boyfriend tried to do that so I'd walk in the actual road to piss him off. It’s hardly infantilising to women
Small children need assisting with their car doors, or keeping away from the road for their own safety. Why would a grown woman need a man to do these things for her? I'm all for courteous and respectful behaviour, both ways, but I find it patronising to be treated as though I'm not capable of looking after myself.
Women don’t ‘need’ those things to be done for them. I never said they did either.
If you find it patronising then that’s fine. I, on the other hand, do not.
There's a risk of it appearing or being patronising. It's a matter of personal preference and interpretation in a given situation.
I think I'm not the only one saying that some people do these things in ways that are unpleasant. Yes they're doing the "right" "nice" things, but if we don't perform along with their little dance then they get upset. I try not to play.
I disagree. Not once has it even crossed my mind that it’s patronising for a man to hold a door open for me, open the car door for me, pull my seat out at a restaurant, take my coat for me. I like it. I like a gentleman and I think it’s a damn shame that some men won’t do this anymore for fear of getting a mouthful, I really do. "Why do you want to be treated like that by a man, can’t you open doors ? | |||
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"It's totally infantilising to women if it involves opening their car door or placing them on the inside of the pavement. My last boyfriend tried to do that so I'd walk in the actual road to piss him off. It’s hardly infantilising to women
Small children need assisting with their car doors, or keeping away from the road for their own safety. Why would a grown woman need a man to do these things for her? I'm all for courteous and respectful behaviour, both ways, but I find it patronising to be treated as though I'm not capable of looking after myself.
Women don’t ‘need’ those things to be done for them. I never said they did either.
If you find it patronising then that’s fine. I, on the other hand, do not.
There's a risk of it appearing or being patronising. It's a matter of personal preference and interpretation in a given situation.
I think I'm not the only one saying that some people do these things in ways that are unpleasant. Yes they're doing the "right" "nice" things, but if we don't perform along with their little dance then they get upset. I try not to play.
I disagree. Not once has it even crossed my mind that it’s patronising for a man to hold a door open for me, open the car door for me, pull my seat out at a restaurant, take my coat for me. I like it. I like a gentleman and I think it’s a damn shame that some men won’t do this anymore for fear of getting a mouthful, I really do.
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"It's totally infantilising to women if it involves opening their car door or placing them on the inside of the pavement. My last boyfriend tried to do that so I'd walk in the actual road to piss him off. It’s hardly infantilising to women
It can be, and a good person would respect the wishes of the person they're with rather than insisting on formalities that make them uncomfortable.
Completely. A gentleman would accept that though. An arsehole wouldn’t.
Even if the arsehole called himself a gentleman?
This is part of the problem with a guy calling himself it.
He may call himself handsome as well. I’m not sure I get your point? Men who don’t call themselves gentlemen behave that way.
True, they do. A guy who called himself a gentleman could also behave that way.
Personally I think that calling yourself one effectively negates the gentility that makes a person a gentleman. If others call you it, then fine, claiming to be one seems a little odd.
To my mind it's a little like shouting about the fact that I didn't kill anyone today"I still don’t see it I’m afraid. A gentleman isn’t a gentleman if he states it because a real gentleman would never mention it? If a man walked up to you and said ‘hello I’m a gentleman ‘ then I would probably take your point. However if you’re trying to put your best foot forward in an environment where you have little opportunity to present yourself and that is what you believe you are then I don’t have an issue with it. | |||
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"It's totally infantilising to women if it involves opening their car door or placing them on the inside of the pavement. My last boyfriend tried to do that so I'd walk in the actual road to piss him off. It’s hardly infantilising to women
Small children need assisting with their car doors, or keeping away from the road for their own safety. Why would a grown woman need a man to do these things for her? I'm all for courteous and respectful behaviour, both ways, but I find it patronising to be treated as though I'm not capable of looking after myself.
Women don’t ‘need’ those things to be done for them. I never said they did either.
If you find it patronising then that’s fine. I, on the other hand, do not.
There's a risk of it appearing or being patronising. It's a matter of personal preference and interpretation in a given situation.
I think I'm not the only one saying that some people do these things in ways that are unpleasant. Yes they're doing the "right" "nice" things, but if we don't perform along with their little dance then they get upset. I try not to play.
I disagree. Not once has it even crossed my mind that it’s patronising for a man to hold a door open for me, open the car door for me, pull my seat out at a restaurant, take my coat for me. I like it. I like a gentleman and I think it’s a damn shame that some men won’t do this anymore for fear of getting a mouthful, I really do.
Why do you want to be treated like that by a man, can’t you open doors ?
Of course I can open doors ffs "I always insist on being the one to stand in front of automatic doors so they open for ladies, as I'm a gentleman. | |||
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"It's totally infantilising to women if it involves opening their car door or placing them on the inside of the pavement. My last boyfriend tried to do that so I'd walk in the actual road to piss him off. It’s hardly infantilising to women
Small children need assisting with their car doors, or keeping away from the road for their own safety. Why would a grown woman need a man to do these things for her? I'm all for courteous and respectful behaviour, both ways, but I find it patronising to be treated as though I'm not capable of looking after myself.
Women don’t ‘need’ those things to be done for them. I never said they did either.
If you find it patronising then that’s fine. I, on the other hand, do not.
There's a risk of it appearing or being patronising. It's a matter of personal preference and interpretation in a given situation.
I think I'm not the only one saying that some people do these things in ways that are unpleasant. Yes they're doing the "right" "nice" things, but if we don't perform along with their little dance then they get upset. I try not to play.
I disagree. Not once has it even crossed my mind that it’s patronising for a man to hold a door open for me, open the car door for me, pull my seat out at a restaurant, take my coat for me. I like it. I like a gentleman and I think it’s a damn shame that some men won’t do this anymore for fear of getting a mouthful, I really do.
Why do you want to be treated like that by a man, can’t you open doors ? "That’s like asking someone why do they want to be treated a certain way in the bedroom. It’s personal preference. And people find a match in those compatible to them. | |||
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"It's totally infantilising to women if it involves opening their car door or placing them on the inside of the pavement. My last boyfriend tried to do that so I'd walk in the actual road to piss him off. It’s hardly infantilising to women
Small children need assisting with their car doors, or keeping away from the road for their own safety. Why would a grown woman need a man to do these things for her? I'm all for courteous and respectful behaviour, both ways, but I find it patronising to be treated as though I'm not capable of looking after myself.
Women don’t ‘need’ those things to be done for them. I never said they did either.
If you find it patronising then that’s fine. I, on the other hand, do not.
There's a risk of it appearing or being patronising. It's a matter of personal preference and interpretation in a given situation.
I think I'm not the only one saying that some people do these things in ways that are unpleasant. Yes they're doing the "right" "nice" things, but if we don't perform along with their little dance then they get upset. I try not to play.
I disagree. Not once has it even crossed my mind that it’s patronising for a man to hold a door open for me, open the car door for me, pull my seat out at a restaurant, take my coat for me. I like it. I like a gentleman and I think it’s a damn shame that some men won’t do this anymore for fear of getting a mouthful, I really do.
Why do you want to be treated like that by a man, can’t you open doors ?
Of course I can open doors ffs "Hmmmmmmm i got in trouble recently when I refused to hold a door open for a woman and it slammed in her face breaking her nose. Turns out that even though she is capable of opening a door, it is a polite and respectful thing to do to anyone!!!! | |||
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"It's totally infantilising to women if it involves opening their car door or placing them on the inside of the pavement. My last boyfriend tried to do that so I'd walk in the actual road to piss him off. It’s hardly infantilising to women
Small children need assisting with their car doors, or keeping away from the road for their own safety. Why would a grown woman need a man to do these things for her? I'm all for courteous and respectful behaviour, both ways, but I find it patronising to be treated as though I'm not capable of looking after myself.
Women don’t ‘need’ those things to be done for them. I never said they did either.
If you find it patronising then that’s fine. I, on the other hand, do not.
There's a risk of it appearing or being patronising. It's a matter of personal preference and interpretation in a given situation.
I think I'm not the only one saying that some people do these things in ways that are unpleasant. Yes they're doing the "right" "nice" things, but if we don't perform along with their little dance then they get upset. I try not to play.
I disagree. Not once has it even crossed my mind that it’s patronising for a man to hold a door open for me, open the car door for me, pull my seat out at a restaurant, take my coat for me. I like it. I like a gentleman and I think it’s a damn shame that some men won’t do this anymore for fear of getting a mouthful, I really do.
Why do you want to be treated like that by a man, can’t you open doors ? "Without being able to think of any big words its just 'nice'. Like being smiled at by a stranger or helping a struggling old lady with her bags sometimes its just nice to be nice. Old fashioned values, humans being sweet to each other. A tiny moment in your life to think 'how lovely' . For me anyway. And yes I hold doors open for men too. | |||
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"It's totally infantilising to women if it involves opening their car door or placing them on the inside of the pavement. My last boyfriend tried to do that so I'd walk in the actual road to piss him off. It’s hardly infantilising to women
Small children need assisting with their car doors, or keeping away from the road for their own safety. Why would a grown woman need a man to do these things for her? I'm all for courteous and respectful behaviour, both ways, but I find it patronising to be treated as though I'm not capable of looking after myself.
Women don’t ‘need’ those things to be done for them. I never said they did either.
If you find it patronising then that’s fine. I, on the other hand, do not.
There's a risk of it appearing or being patronising. It's a matter of personal preference and interpretation in a given situation.
I think I'm not the only one saying that some people do these things in ways that are unpleasant. Yes they're doing the "right" "nice" things, but if we don't perform along with their little dance then they get upset. I try not to play.
I disagree. Not once has it even crossed my mind that it’s patronising for a man to hold a door open for me, open the car door for me, pull my seat out at a restaurant, take my coat for me. I like it. I like a gentleman and I think it’s a damn shame that some men won’t do this anymore for fear of getting a mouthful, I really do.
Why do you want to be treated like that by a man, can’t you open doors ?
Of course I can open doors ffs
Hmmmmmmm i got in trouble recently when I refused to hold a door open for a woman and it slammed in her face breaking her nose. Turns out that even though she is capable of opening a door, it is a polite and respectful thing to do to anyone!!!! "Exactly! Baffles me all this does. I’m best off out of these threads. I’ll never understand it. I find it ludicrous. | |||
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"It's totally infantilising to women if it involves opening their car door or placing them on the inside of the pavement. My last boyfriend tried to do that so I'd walk in the actual road to piss him off. It’s hardly infantilising to women
Small children need assisting with their car doors, or keeping away from the road for their own safety. Why would a grown woman need a man to do these things for her? I'm all for courteous and respectful behaviour, both ways, but I find it patronising to be treated as though I'm not capable of looking after myself.
Women don’t ‘need’ those things to be done for them. I never said they did either.
If you find it patronising then that’s fine. I, on the other hand, do not.
There's a risk of it appearing or being patronising. It's a matter of personal preference and interpretation in a given situation.
I think I'm not the only one saying that some people do these things in ways that are unpleasant. Yes they're doing the "right" "nice" things, but if we don't perform along with their little dance then they get upset. I try not to play.
I disagree. Not once has it even crossed my mind that it’s patronising for a man to hold a door open for me, open the car door for me, pull my seat out at a restaurant, take my coat for me. I like it. I like a gentleman and I think it’s a damn shame that some men won’t do this anymore for fear of getting a mouthful, I really do.
Why do you want to be treated like that by a man, can’t you open doors ?
Without being able to think of any big words its just 'nice'. Like being smiled at by a stranger or helping a struggling old lady with her bags sometimes its just nice to be nice. Old fashioned values, humans being sweet to each other. A tiny moment in your life to think 'how lovely' . For me anyway.
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"It's totally infantilising to women if it involves opening their car door or placing them on the inside of the pavement. My last boyfriend tried to do that so I'd walk in the actual road to piss him off. It’s hardly infantilising to women
Small children need assisting with their car doors, or keeping away from the road for their own safety. Why would a grown woman need a man to do these things for her? I'm all for courteous and respectful behaviour, both ways, but I find it patronising to be treated as though I'm not capable of looking after myself.
Women don’t ‘need’ those things to be done for them. I never said they did either.
If you find it patronising then that’s fine. I, on the other hand, do not.
There's a risk of it appearing or being patronising. It's a matter of personal preference and interpretation in a given situation.
I think I'm not the only one saying that some people do these things in ways that are unpleasant. Yes they're doing the "right" "nice" things, but if we don't perform along with their little dance then they get upset. I try not to play.
I disagree. Not once has it even crossed my mind that it’s patronising for a man to hold a door open for me, open the car door for me, pull my seat out at a restaurant, take my coat for me. I like it. I like a gentleman and I think it’s a damn shame that some men won’t do this anymore for fear of getting a mouthful, I really do.
Why do you want to be treated like that by a man, can’t you open doors ?
Without being able to think of any big words its just 'nice'. Like being smiled at by a stranger or helping a struggling old lady with her bags sometimes its just nice to be nice. Old fashioned values, humans being sweet to each other. A tiny moment in your life to think 'how lovely' . For me anyway.
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"The term 'gentleman' and what it denotes has a modern meaning. The gentleman of this century isn't an entitled aristocrat who was ascribed the label. I see no harm in someone calling themselves a gentleman if they can also state what codes they live by to do so. I wouldn't be able to tolerate anyone using the term to indicate that they believed themselves to be 'aware' of 'what the ladies' want or need. Or that they felt the need to protect females or do their thinking and talking for them. For me gentlemen are honourable no more no less. I expect any person I deal with on fab to be honourable. And not make a fuss when I buy them a drink. I don’t think that’s particularly gentlemanly or gentlewomanly. It’s just about being a decent human being. Christ. I call myself decent in my profile too Here's me thinking they were good traits. Think a re-write is on the cards
No no. Decent is good. Transparent is good too. Just don’t be calling me ‘little lady’, telling me all women ‘secretly want to be dominated’ and spend 40 minutes talking about yourself without asking me a single question. And then not listening to my incredibly witty answer."All my life I've been surrounded by strong, independent, clever, funny, courageous, indomitable and truly inspirational women. At home and all my working life. I've witnessed first hand how these same women have had to work twice as hard as a male counterpart to progress their careers for no other reason than he happened to have a penis even though 'he' was a dick. I'll probably be thought of as a virtue signalling, 'White Knight' now. I don't care. I'm not. It's just my reality and my behaviour towards everyone been shaped by my upbringing and life experiences. But maybe I should remove the 'gent' bit as my intention is not to patronise or be condescending to anyone or to blow smoke up my own fundament | |||
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"It's totally infantilising to women if it involves opening their car door or placing them on the inside of the pavement. My last boyfriend tried to do that so I'd walk in the actual road to piss him off. It’s hardly infantilising to women
It can be, and a good person would respect the wishes of the person they're with rather than insisting on formalities that make them uncomfortable.
Completely. A gentleman would accept that though. An arsehole wouldn’t.
Even if the arsehole called himself a gentleman?
This is part of the problem with a guy calling himself it.
Indeed. Many would rather hold a door, buy a coffee, than actually give a damn what makes me comfortable. It's deeply unpleasant.
Do you not like that then? Men holding doors open etc?
Can't stand it.
And that’s the beauty of the world we live in, we’re all different. I love to have a door held open for me and I do it for others.
Same here. It’s common courtesy as far as I’m concerned!"Sadly that common courtesy is quickly disappearing. I find more and more that people of both sees just let a door close in your face even when you are just at the door. I feel that the traits described by the lovely Babs as to what a gentleman is like seems to be disappearing very quickly. Call me old fashioned but I still believe that a man should treat a lady with respect. I pride myself on having the same traits as my late father and everyone constantly refers to him a true gentleman. Does that make me a gentleman I would let those who have met me decide. | |||
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"It's totally infantilising to women if it involves opening their car door or placing them on the inside of the pavement. My last boyfriend tried to do that so I'd walk in the actual road to piss him off. It’s hardly infantilising to women
It can be, and a good person would respect the wishes of the person they're with rather than insisting on formalities that make them uncomfortable.
Completely. A gentleman would accept that though. An arsehole wouldn’t.
Even if the arsehole called himself a gentleman?
This is part of the problem with a guy calling himself it.
Indeed. Many would rather hold a door, buy a coffee, than actually give a damn what makes me comfortable. It's deeply unpleasant.
Do you not like that then? Men holding doors open etc?
Can't stand it.
And that’s the beauty of the world we live in, we’re all different. I love to have a door held open for me and I do it for others."Bingo. We are all different. That’s what makes the world spin round. | |||
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"It's totally infantilising to women if it involves opening their car door or placing them on the inside of the pavement. My last boyfriend tried to do that so I'd walk in the actual road to piss him off. It’s hardly infantilising to women
It can be, and a good person would respect the wishes of the person they're with rather than insisting on formalities that make them uncomfortable.
Completely. A gentleman would accept that though. An arsehole wouldn’t.
Even if the arsehole called himself a gentleman?
This is part of the problem with a guy calling himself it.
Indeed. Many would rather hold a door, buy a coffee, than actually give a damn what makes me comfortable. It's deeply unpleasant.
Do you not like that then? Men holding doors open etc?
Can't stand it.
And that’s the beauty of the world we live in, we’re all different. I love to have a door held open for me and I do it for others.
Same here. It’s common courtesy as far as I’m concerned!
Sadly that common courtesy is quickly disappearing. I find more and more that people of both sees just let a door close in your face even when you are just at the door.
I feel that the traits described by the lovely Babs as to what a gentleman is like seems to be disappearing very quickly.
Call me old fashioned but I still believe that a man should treat a lady with respect. I pride myself on having the same traits as my late father and everyone constantly refers to him a true gentleman. Does that make me a gentleman I would let those who have met me decide. "Well I’m quite happy to be old fashioned too then | |||
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"The term 'gentleman' and what it denotes has a modern meaning. The gentleman of this century isn't an entitled aristocrat who was ascribed the label. I see no harm in someone calling themselves a gentleman if they can also state what codes they live by to do so. I wouldn't be able to tolerate anyone using the term to indicate that they believed themselves to be 'aware' of 'what the ladies' want or need. Or that they felt the need to protect females or do their thinking and talking for them. For me gentlemen are honourable no more no less. I expect any person I deal with on fab to be honourable. And not make a fuss when I buy them a drink. I don’t think that’s particularly gentlemanly or gentlewomanly. It’s just about being a decent human being. Christ. I call myself decent in my profile too Here's me thinking they were good traits. Think a re-write is on the cards
No no. Decent is good. Transparent is good too. Just don’t be calling me ‘little lady’, telling me all women ‘secretly want to be dominated’ and spend 40 minutes talking about yourself without asking me a single question. And then not listening to my incredibly witty answer.
All my life I've been surrounded by strong, independent, clever, funny, courageous, indomitable and truly inspirational women. At home and all my working life. I've witnessed first hand how these same women have had to work twice as hard as a male counterpart to progress their careers for no other reason than he happened to have a penis even though 'he' was a dick.
I'll probably be thought of as a virtue signalling, 'White Knight' now. I don't care. I'm not. It's just my reality and my behaviour towards everyone been shaped by my upbringing and life experiences.
But maybe I should remove the 'gent' bit as my intention is not to patronise or be condescending to anyone or to blow smoke up my own fundament "No you shouldn’t remove it. You’ve got it absolutely right. | |||
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"The sheer abundance of loose thoughts and meanings attached to such simple acts always astounds me. I will always hold a door for someone regardless of gender i will help anyone where ever i see fit,not because they are incapable but because i am. I notice "gentleman" seems to have been attached mostly to male/female interaction by a large amount of posts. Perhaps if it wasn't looked at as a power struggle and more of a case of good manners regardless of which genitals you posses it may be a touch less inflammatory." Spot on. | |||
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I would call you a gentleman. Definitely x"some would disagree lol but thank you x | |||
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"The term 'gentleman' and what it denotes has a modern meaning. The gentleman of this century isn't an entitled aristocrat who was ascribed the label. I see no harm in someone calling themselves a gentleman if they can also state what codes they live by to do so. I wouldn't be able to tolerate anyone using the term to indicate that they believed themselves to be 'aware' of 'what the ladies' want or need. Or that they felt the need to protect females or do their thinking and talking for them. For me gentlemen are honourable no more no less. I expect any person I deal with on fab to be honourable. And not make a fuss when I buy them a drink. I don’t think that’s particularly gentlemanly or gentlewomanly. It’s just about being a decent human being. Christ. I call myself decent in my profile too Here's me thinking they were good traits. Think a re-write is on the cards
No no. Decent is good. Transparent is good too. Just don’t be calling me ‘little lady’, telling me all women ‘secretly want to be dominated’ and spend 40 minutes talking about yourself without asking me a single question. And then not listening to my incredibly witty answer.
All my life I've been surrounded by strong, independent, clever, funny, courageous, indomitable and truly inspirational women. At home and all my working life. I've witnessed first hand how these same women have had to work twice as hard as a male counterpart to progress their careers for no other reason than he happened to have a penis even though 'he' was a dick.
I'll probably be thought of as a virtue signalling, 'White Knight' now. I don't care. I'm not. It's just my reality and my behaviour towards everyone been shaped by my upbringing and life experiences.
But maybe I should remove the 'gent' bit as my intention is not to patronise or be condescending to anyone or to blow smoke up my own fundament "You have a great profile. The tahini might be a tad too much detail. For me ‘gent’ has negative connotations, from irritating experiences, for others clearly not so much. | |||
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"The term 'gentleman' and what it denotes has a modern meaning. The gentleman of this century isn't an entitled aristocrat who was ascribed the label. I see no harm in someone calling themselves a gentleman if they can also state what codes they live by to do so. I wouldn't be able to tolerate anyone using the term to indicate that they believed themselves to be 'aware' of 'what the ladies' want or need. Or that they felt the need to protect females or do their thinking and talking for them. For me gentlemen are honourable no more no less. I expect any person I deal with on fab to be honourable. And not make a fuss when I buy them a drink. I don’t think that’s particularly gentlemanly or gentlewomanly. It’s just about being a decent human being. Christ. I call myself decent in my profile too Here's me thinking they were good traits. Think a re-write is on the cards
No no. Decent is good. Transparent is good too. Just don’t be calling me ‘little lady’, telling me all women ‘secretly want to be dominated’ and spend 40 minutes talking about yourself without asking me a single question. And then not listening to my incredibly witty answer.
All my life I've been surrounded by strong, independent, clever, funny, courageous, indomitable and truly inspirational women. At home and all my working life. I've witnessed first hand how these same women have had to work twice as hard as a male counterpart to progress their careers for no other reason than he happened to have a penis even though 'he' was a dick.
I'll probably be thought of as a virtue signalling, 'White Knight' now. I don't care. I'm not. It's just my reality and my behaviour towards everyone been shaped by my upbringing and life experiences.
But maybe I should remove the 'gent' bit as my intention is not to patronise or be condescending to anyone or to blow smoke up my own fundament
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"Lots of words, some positive some negative. Surely it's the actions that matter. Since when did holding a door open for another to pass through, man or women, become anything more than simple good manners...." I like that, I always hold doors open or let others through. It just seems the right thing to do. | |||
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"Tbh I ignore any mentions of gentleman or similar on profiles. Ditto things like classy. You know what they say about self praise. If someone treats me and others with respect, great. If not, not great. Insisting on old fashioned etiquette where it makes me uncomfortable is an example of not treating me with respect. That's all I'm saying. (I open doors, offer seats, etc, and am grateful when it's done for me, unless it's a spectacle because I'm a woman.) " Isn't calling yourself a lady in a same vein? Isn't lady to woman, what gent is to man? Aren't we all calling ourselves things on this site that are meant to convey some potentially attractive or differentiating things we believe about ourselves. This thread is dismaying! | |||
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"Tbh I ignore any mentions of gentleman or similar on profiles. Ditto things like classy. You know what they say about self praise. If someone treats me and others with respect, great. If not, not great. Insisting on old fashioned etiquette where it makes me uncomfortable is an example of not treating me with respect. That's all I'm saying. (I open doors, offer seats, etc, and am grateful when it's done for me, unless it's a spectacle because I'm a woman.) Isn't calling yourself a lady in a same vein? Isn't lady to woman, what gent is to man? Aren't we all calling ourselves things on this site that are meant to convey some potentially attractive or differentiating things we believe about ourselves. This thread is dismaying!" It's a bit of artistic licence in my case (the flow of the text taking priority over precision), and I wouldn't expect anyone to take it seriously. I hope I conduct myself properly in public, but that's for others to determine. | |||
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"The term 'gentleman' and what it denotes has a modern meaning. The gentleman of this century isn't an entitled aristocrat who was ascribed the label. I see no harm in someone calling themselves a gentleman if they can also state what codes they live by to do so. I wouldn't be able to tolerate anyone using the term to indicate that they believed themselves to be 'aware' of 'what the ladies' want or need. Or that they felt the need to protect females or do their thinking and talking for them. For me gentlemen are honourable no more no less. " | |||
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"Lots of words, some positive some negative. Surely it's the actions that matter. Since when did holding a door open for another to pass through, man or women, become anything more than simple good manners.... I think the point is, are you just holding a door open, as most of us would, or are you making a great big hullabaloo about the fact that you’re doing it for a woman.." I'm holding the door open, or whatever, because it's a normal human response, and rather more socially aware than letting it slam in anothers face.... I really dont get the vitriol dripping through some of this thread. Perhaps we should just accept the kindness of strangers, or friends, rather than using some such stereotypes and self determined opinions of the actions of others as a stick to beat others with..... | |||
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"Classy.... sophisticated.... elegant Terms that define some women - for me those are standards to live by. It means I don’t act like a social hand grenade or a foul mouthed loose cannon, either here on the forums or in public! " | |||
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"Anyone else find it a bit creepy when a bloke refers to himself as a ‘gentlemen’. What does that actually mean, you treat women with respect and Courtesy, oh well done, that surely should be the bare minimum of any man. Or am I missing something here. Its similar when a woman calls herself ‘classy’ or ‘sophisticated’, not sure what qualifies for either of those either, it’s all a bit self indulgent and Self congratulatory ?!" It’s definitely strange when someone refers to themselves as gentleman’s but so does referring to myself as lady... Very far from being sophisticated and classy... However for me true gentleman is respectful to everyone not just females. It doesn’t mean they have to open doors and pay for someone it’s just comes naturally, they have to simply consider and care about other person and it’s quite rare quality these days. | |||
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"Tbh I ignore any mentions of gentleman or similar on profiles. Ditto things like classy. You know what they say about self praise. If someone treats me and others with respect, great. If not, not great. Insisting on old fashioned etiquette where it makes me uncomfortable is an example of not treating me with respect. That's all I'm saying. (I open doors, offer seats, etc, and am grateful when it's done for me, unless it's a spectacle because I'm a woman.) Isn't calling yourself a lady in a same vein? Isn't lady to woman, what gent is to man? Aren't we all calling ourselves things on this site that are meant to convey some potentially attractive or differentiating things we believe about ourselves. This thread is dismaying!" So I shouldn’t have admitted to 25 years experience of male misogyny channeled as ‘gentlemanly’ behaviour because it doesn’t fit with others view of the world? I’m genuinely not feeling that. We all come too fab with a lifetime of experiences, perceptions and biases. | |||
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"Tbh I ignore any mentions of gentleman or similar on profiles. Ditto things like classy. You know what they say about self praise. If someone treats me and others with respect, great. If not, not great. Insisting on old fashioned etiquette where it makes me uncomfortable is an example of not treating me with respect. That's all I'm saying. (I open doors, offer seats, etc, and am grateful when it's done for me, unless it's a spectacle because I'm a woman.) Isn't calling yourself a lady in a same vein? Isn't lady to woman, what gent is to man? Aren't we all calling ourselves things on this site that are meant to convey some potentially attractive or differentiating things we believe about ourselves. This thread is dismaying!" Doesn’t the header of your profile use the word ‘gent’ | |||
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"Tbh I ignore any mentions of gentleman or similar on profiles. Ditto things like classy. You know what they say about self praise. If someone treats me and others with respect, great. If not, not great. Insisting on old fashioned etiquette where it makes me uncomfortable is an example of not treating me with respect. That's all I'm saying. (I open doors, offer seats, etc, and am grateful when it's done for me, unless it's a spectacle because I'm a woman.) Isn't calling yourself a lady in a same vein? Isn't lady to woman, what gent is to man? Aren't we all calling ourselves things on this site that are meant to convey some potentially attractive or differentiating things we believe about ourselves. This thread is dismaying! So I shouldn’t have admitted to 25 years experience of male misogyny channeled as ‘gentlemanly’ behaviour because it doesn’t fit with others view of the world? I’m genuinely not feeling that. We all come too fab with a lifetime of experiences, perceptions and biases. " Regardless of what you’ve been through and I’m sorry if it was a bad time for you, but I don’t think gentlemanly equals misogyny. | |||
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"Tbh I ignore any mentions of gentleman or similar on profiles. Ditto things like classy. You know what they say about self praise. If someone treats me and others with respect, great. If not, not great. Insisting on old fashioned etiquette where it makes me uncomfortable is an example of not treating me with respect. That's all I'm saying. (I open doors, offer seats, etc, and am grateful when it's done for me, unless it's a spectacle because I'm a woman.) Isn't calling yourself a lady in a same vein? Isn't lady to woman, what gent is to man? Aren't we all calling ourselves things on this site that are meant to convey some potentially attractive or differentiating things we believe about ourselves. This thread is dismaying! So I shouldn’t have admitted to 25 years experience of male misogyny channeled as ‘gentlemanly’ behaviour because it doesn’t fit with others view of the world? I’m genuinely not feeling that. We all come too fab with a lifetime of experiences, perceptions and biases. " Or mental projection from the past ... lady. | |||
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"Tbh I ignore any mentions of gentleman or similar on profiles. Ditto things like classy. You know what they say about self praise. If someone treats me and others with respect, great. If not, not great. Insisting on old fashioned etiquette where it makes me uncomfortable is an example of not treating me with respect. That's all I'm saying. (I open doors, offer seats, etc, and am grateful when it's done for me, unless it's a spectacle because I'm a woman.) Isn't calling yourself a lady in a same vein? Isn't lady to woman, what gent is to man? Aren't we all calling ourselves things on this site that are meant to convey some potentially attractive or differentiating things we believe about ourselves. This thread is dismaying! So I shouldn’t have admitted to 25 years experience of male misogyny channeled as ‘gentlemanly’ behaviour because it doesn’t fit with others view of the world? I’m genuinely not feeling that. We all come too fab with a lifetime of experiences, perceptions and biases. Regardless of what you’ve been through and I’m sorry if it was a bad time for you, but I don’t think gentlemanly equals misogyny. " I couldn’t agree more - I do know there are plenty of entitled shits in this world though | |||
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"Tbh I ignore any mentions of gentleman or similar on profiles. Ditto things like classy. You know what they say about self praise. If someone treats me and others with respect, great. If not, not great. Insisting on old fashioned etiquette where it makes me uncomfortable is an example of not treating me with respect. That's all I'm saying. (I open doors, offer seats, etc, and am grateful when it's done for me, unless it's a spectacle because I'm a woman.) Isn't calling yourself a lady in a same vein? Isn't lady to woman, what gent is to man? Aren't we all calling ourselves things on this site that are meant to convey some potentially attractive or differentiating things we believe about ourselves. This thread is dismaying! So I shouldn’t have admitted to 25 years experience of male misogyny channeled as ‘gentlemanly’ behaviour because it doesn’t fit with others view of the world? I’m genuinely not feeling that. We all come too fab with a lifetime of experiences, perceptions and biases. Regardless of what you’ve been through and I’m sorry if it was a bad time for you, but I don’t think gentlemanly equals misogyny. I couldn’t agree more - I do know there are plenty of entitled shits in this world though " Oh absolutely. Plenty on here too! | |||
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"Tbh I ignore any mentions of gentleman or similar on profiles. Ditto things like classy. You know what they say about self praise. If someone treats me and others with respect, great. If not, not great. Insisting on old fashioned etiquette where it makes me uncomfortable is an example of not treating me with respect. That's all I'm saying. (I open doors, offer seats, etc, and am grateful when it's done for me, unless it's a spectacle because I'm a woman.) Isn't calling yourself a lady in a same vein? Isn't lady to woman, what gent is to man? Aren't we all calling ourselves things on this site that are meant to convey some potentially attractive or differentiating things we believe about ourselves. This thread is dismaying! So I shouldn’t have admitted to 25 years experience of male misogyny channeled as ‘gentlemanly’ behaviour because it doesn’t fit with others view of the world? I’m genuinely not feeling that. We all come too fab with a lifetime of experiences, perceptions and biases. Regardless of what you’ve been through and I’m sorry if it was a bad time for you, but I don’t think gentlemanly equals misogyny. " I think I just went through being a woman in the nineties tbh. But to be clear, at no point have I said that gentlemanly equals misogyny, or used it as a stick to beat anyone with. I’ve said in my experience it has ‘often’ been used in that way. I’m delighted others have different views. It doesn’t negate my experience and I’ve been honest that this is personal perception. I’m pretty sure that many other women would view the term ‘gentleman’ in a similarly loaded way. I’m sure all the ‘gentlemen’ weren’t just targeting me over the last 25 years. And to repeat, buying each other drinks and holding doors open isn’t particularly ‘gentlemanly’ or ‘ladylike’, it’s the kind of decent behaviour we should all expect and practice, as is respect, manners, making each other comfortable. So to any self-professed gentlemen, if you felt I was beating you with a stick, I apologise. My intention was always to highlight that it can be a laden term, not to make any personal attack. | |||
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"Tbh I ignore any mentions of gentleman or similar on profiles. Ditto things like classy. You know what they say about self praise. If someone treats me and others with respect, great. If not, not great. Insisting on old fashioned etiquette where it makes me uncomfortable is an example of not treating me with respect. That's all I'm saying. (I open doors, offer seats, etc, and am grateful when it's done for me, unless it's a spectacle because I'm a woman.) Isn't calling yourself a lady in a same vein? Isn't lady to woman, what gent is to man? Aren't we all calling ourselves things on this site that are meant to convey some potentially attractive or differentiating things we believe about ourselves. This thread is dismaying! Doesn’t the header of your profile use the word ‘gent’" Yep...I'm on the side of it's just a word that conveys some well known characteristics which I happen to like..which I strive to demonstrate...and which people have said I do. Some of the interpretations here I find dismaying. And I found it ironic that people use all manner of "positive" words to describe themselves...even lady...which i find synomonous...and yet think it's uppity to use a good word to describle yourself. I guess: To each to act with their own intentions and to each to experience said action with their own interpretations. The world is more polar than I have ever known it. | |||
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"Tbh I ignore any mentions of gentleman or similar on profiles. Ditto things like classy. You know what they say about self praise. If someone treats me and others with respect, great. If not, not great. Insisting on old fashioned etiquette where it makes me uncomfortable is an example of not treating me with respect. That's all I'm saying. (I open doors, offer seats, etc, and am grateful when it's done for me, unless it's a spectacle because I'm a woman.) Isn't calling yourself a lady in a same vein? Isn't lady to woman, what gent is to man? Aren't we all calling ourselves things on this site that are meant to convey some potentially attractive or differentiating things we believe about ourselves. This thread is dismaying! So I shouldn’t have admitted to 25 years experience of male misogyny channeled as ‘gentlemanly’ behaviour because it doesn’t fit with others view of the world? I’m genuinely not feeling that. We all come too fab with a lifetime of experiences, perceptions and biases. Or mental projection from the past ... lady. "Show me a person who’s world view isn’t affected by their life experience... | |||
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"Being a gentleman isn't just something one does whilst entertaining a lady. It's living ones whole life by a set of standards that put others needs to the fore. Do as you would like to be done by. If everyone behaved this way, the world would be a happier place." I'm more with the smart suit and not carrying a brown paper parcel line of thinking | |||
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"As long as one calls the underground the underground, never carries a brown paper parcel, looks good in a three piece suit, can carry off evening dress and knows what fork to use, one is a gentleman.
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"When I think of a gentleman I think of my Dad. He would walk on the outside of my Mum alongside the road, open doors, he always respectful and considerate, he looked smart, he always put her before himself. He was a loyal, honourable man. The very best best role model a girl could have
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"Lots of words, some positive some negative. Surely it's the actions that matter. Since when did holding a door open for another to pass through, man or women, become anything more than simple good manners.... I think the point is, are you just holding a door open, as most of us would, or are you making a great big hullabaloo about the fact that you’re doing it for a woman.. I'm holding the door open, or whatever, because it's a normal human response, and rather more socially aware than letting it slam in anothers face.... I really dont get the vitriol dripping through some of this thread. Perhaps we should just accept the kindness of strangers, or friends, rather than using some such stereotypes and self determined opinions of the actions of others as a stick to beat others with..... Never stop being you. Let others continue to not act like a gent, if that's their wish. I'm sure most women would prefer a gent than a chav lol. I don't understand why anyone would review a man with manners and respect towards others, as a self arrogent or other negative attribute. "I don't think that's what anyone has said though, is it? Good manners and respect towards others is just a baseline that we should all be achieving in our daily interactions. What a few posters object to, myself included, is being treated as less capable in the name of chivalry or 'gentlemanly' behaviour. | |||
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"Lots of words, some positive some negative. Surely it's the actions that matter. Since when did holding a door open for another to pass through, man or women, become anything more than simple good manners.... I think the point is, are you just holding a door open, as most of us would, or are you making a great big hullabaloo about the fact that you’re doing it for a woman.. I'm holding the door open, or whatever, because it's a normal human response, and rather more socially aware than letting it slam in anothers face.... I really dont get the vitriol dripping through some of this thread. Perhaps we should just accept the kindness of strangers, or friends, rather than using some such stereotypes and self determined opinions of the actions of others as a stick to beat others with..... Never stop being you. Let others continue to not act like a gent, if that's their wish. I'm sure most women would prefer a gent than a chav lol. I don't understand why anyone would review a man with manners and respect towards others, as a self arrogent or other negative attribute.
I don't think that's what anyone has said though, is it? Good manners and respect towards others is just a baseline that we should all be achieving in our daily interactions. What a few posters object to, myself included, is being treated as less capable in the name of chivalry or 'gentlemanly' behaviour. "How do you ascertain whether someone is just well mannered or treating you as less capable? | |||
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"Lots of words, some positive some negative. Surely it's the actions that matter. Since when did holding a door open for another to pass through, man or women, become anything more than simple good manners.... I think the point is, are you just holding a door open, as most of us would, or are you making a great big hullabaloo about the fact that you’re doing it for a woman.. I'm holding the door open, or whatever, because it's a normal human response, and rather more socially aware than letting it slam in anothers face.... I really dont get the vitriol dripping through some of this thread. Perhaps we should just accept the kindness of strangers, or friends, rather than using some such stereotypes and self determined opinions of the actions of others as a stick to beat others with..... Never stop being you. Let others continue to not act like a gent, if that's their wish. I'm sure most women would prefer a gent than a chav lol. I don't understand why anyone would review a man with manners and respect towards others, as a self arrogent or other negative attribute.
I don't think that's what anyone has said though, is it? Good manners and respect towards others is just a baseline that we should all be achieving in our daily interactions. What a few posters object to, myself included, is being treated as less capable in the name of chivalry or 'gentlemanly' behaviour.
How do you ascertain whether someone is just well mannered or treating you as less capable?"That's easy, if they try to do things for me that they would feel uncomfortable with me doing the same in return then I'm being treated as less capable. If a man is happy to let me walk him on the inside of the pavement and open his car door then I'm happy to be on the receiving end of it from him. | |||
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"Lots of words, some positive some negative. Surely it's the actions that matter. Since when did holding a door open for another to pass through, man or women, become anything more than simple good manners.... I think the point is, are you just holding a door open, as most of us would, or are you making a great big hullabaloo about the fact that you’re doing it for a woman.. I'm holding the door open, or whatever, because it's a normal human response, and rather more socially aware than letting it slam in anothers face.... I really dont get the vitriol dripping through some of this thread. Perhaps we should just accept the kindness of strangers, or friends, rather than using some such stereotypes and self determined opinions of the actions of others as a stick to beat others with..... Never stop being you. Let others continue to not act like a gent, if that's their wish. I'm sure most women would prefer a gent than a chav lol. I don't understand why anyone would review a man with manners and respect towards others, as a self arrogent or other negative attribute.
I don't think that's what anyone has said though, is it? Good manners and respect towards others is just a baseline that we should all be achieving in our daily interactions. What a few posters object to, myself included, is being treated as less capable in the name of chivalry or 'gentlemanly' behaviour.
How do you ascertain whether someone is just well mannered or treating you as less capable?
That's easy, if they try to do things for me that they would feel uncomfortable with me doing the same in return then I'm being treated as less capable. If a man is happy to let me walk him on the inside of the pavement and open his car door then I'm happy to be on the receiving end of it from him."Exactly the reason I won’t shag girls in the bum hole. | |||
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"Lots of words, some positive some negative. Surely it's the actions that matter. Since when did holding a door open for another to pass through, man or women, become anything more than simple good manners.... I think the point is, are you just holding a door open, as most of us would, or are you making a great big hullabaloo about the fact that you’re doing it for a woman.. I'm holding the door open, or whatever, because it's a normal human response, and rather more socially aware than letting it slam in anothers face.... I really dont get the vitriol dripping through some of this thread. Perhaps we should just accept the kindness of strangers, or friends, rather than using some such stereotypes and self determined opinions of the actions of others as a stick to beat others with..... Never stop being you. Let others continue to not act like a gent, if that's their wish. I'm sure most women would prefer a gent than a chav lol. I don't understand why anyone would review a man with manners and respect towards others, as a self arrogent or other negative attribute.
I don't think that's what anyone has said though, is it? Good manners and respect towards others is just a baseline that we should all be achieving in our daily interactions. What a few posters object to, myself included, is being treated as less capable in the name of chivalry or 'gentlemanly' behaviour.
How do you ascertain whether someone is just well mannered or treating you as less capable?
That's easy, if they try to do things for me that they would feel uncomfortable with me doing the same in return then I'm being treated as less capable. If a man is happy to let me walk him on the inside of the pavement and open his car door then I'm happy to be on the receiving end of it from him."I wouldn’t take that as being treated as less capable. You do and that’s fine obviously but I wouldn’t. I’m not sure in practice how that would work either really. | |||
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"Lots of words, some positive some negative. Surely it's the actions that matter. Since when did holding a door open for another to pass through, man or women, become anything more than simple good manners.... I think the point is, are you just holding a door open, as most of us would, or are you making a great big hullabaloo about the fact that you’re doing it for a woman.. I'm holding the door open, or whatever, because it's a normal human response, and rather more socially aware than letting it slam in anothers face.... I really dont get the vitriol dripping through some of this thread. Perhaps we should just accept the kindness of strangers, or friends, rather than using some such stereotypes and self determined opinions of the actions of others as a stick to beat others with..... Never stop being you. Let others continue to not act like a gent, if that's their wish. I'm sure most women would prefer a gent than a chav lol. I don't understand why anyone would review a man with manners and respect towards others, as a self arrogent or other negative attribute.
I don't think that's what anyone has said though, is it? Good manners and respect towards others is just a baseline that we should all be achieving in our daily interactions. What a few posters object to, myself included, is being treated as less capable in the name of chivalry or 'gentlemanly' behaviour.
How do you ascertain whether someone is just well mannered or treating you as less capable?
That's easy, if they try to do things for me that they would feel uncomfortable with me doing the same in return then I'm being treated as less capable. If a man is happy to let me walk him on the inside of the pavement and open his car door then I'm happy to be on the receiving end of it from him."I was on the tube Friday night and a man stood up and asked a woman if she’d like to sit down. She gave him a real mouthful. He looked so embarrassed I actually felt sorry for him. So do you think that’s acceptable to do? | |||
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