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"Celebrations of the divine or symbols of oppression? Their symbolism i can't abide but i have to admit an admiration for their architecture." I love the architecture and craftsmanship but thats as far it goes. | |||
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"I'm now more curious to know if anyone has gotten up to any naughtiness inside a church " I was told to take my hat off in Salisbury Cathedral once, does that count?  | |||
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"Celebrations of the divine or symbols of oppression? Their symbolism i can't abide but i have to admit an admiration for their architecture." I agree, such beautiful buildings but with such awful connotations. | |||
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"Stunning buildings, symbols of superstition and fear. "  | |||
"Stunning buildings, symbols of superstition and fear. " Agree in general but I think the extent of this very much depends of the era, school of design and the leading religious intent/nature of the people who envisioned it. Not all churches are the same. | |||
"Stunning buildings, symbols of superstition and fear. Agree in general but I think the extent of this very much depends of the era, school of design and the leading religious intent/nature of the people who envisioned it. Not all churches are the same." True. You've got that Cathedral for a start  | |||
"I've not really thought about the significance of the building them self. I guess doom paintings are quite repressive. Often the older churches are statements of power wether it's the churches power or a symbol of other people's power. Just look at St Paul's Cathedral London, a real symbol of the State and its ambitions, I guess hence the pineapple on top of the dome. But religion has always been a double edge sword. Often it has been used to control and hold power but it has also provided the strength for many a revolution or change of power. Religion has also empowered the down trodden." I agree with you entirely but i'm more interested in people's views of the buildings themselves. For example: why are they so tall? A Christian would say it's the human desire to get closer to God. To me it's so that they can be seen from miles around as a stark reminder to the local population that God is watching them. They've also served as magnets for inconceivable amounts of wealth, usually at the expense of the surrounding countryside. Further to that they've almost always entirely been built on top of sites already held sacred by the indiginous religion, they didn't have to do that and i think that that says it all. | |||
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"Stunning buildings, symbols of superstition and fear. Agree in general but I think the extent of this very much depends of the era, school of design and the leading religious intent/nature of the people who envisioned it. Not all churches are the same." Of course, not all of this can be applied to churches built in more recent times, the architecture itself is testament to that. | |||
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"Stunning buildings, symbols of superstition and fear. " Pretty much this would add control and oppression.. But would say that they bring comfort and solace to people too.. The concept of faith is something a bit mysterious and a little fascinating.. | |||
"Celebrations of the divine or symbols of oppression? Their symbolism i can't abide but i have to admit an admiration for their architecture." Ditto. I've been no fan of organised religion since i was perhaps 7 years old... I even feel "wrong" entering places of worship.... But I appreciate a great cathedral or church, or even an old smsll village church. | |||
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"Celebrations of the divine or symbols of oppression? Their symbolism i can't abide but i have to admit an admiration for their architecture." me too love these structures have been in many and taken a few pics | |||
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"No where near as oppressive as the banks. Churches have brought people solace and hope for centuries. " Often erroneously. | |||
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"Stunning buildings, symbols of superstition and fear. Pretty much this would add control and oppression.. But would say that they bring comfort and solace to people too.. The concept of faith is something a bit mysterious and a little fascinating.. " True, but bringing unity and comfort is not the sole preserve of Christianity. Finding solace through religious practice is the common thread that links all religions. My point is is that you don't need an often massive, ostentatious building for which it's the only reason it was built in the first place to do it in. | |||
"No where near as oppressive as the banks. Churches have brought people solace and hope for centuries. Often erroneously. " How so? If someone desires to have faith based hope, who is anyone to judge it as incorrect? | |||
"No where near as oppressive as the banks. Churches have brought people solace and hope for centuries. Often erroneously. How so? If someone desires to have faith based hope, who is anyone to judge it as incorrect?" Anyone who chooses to do so. Religion is not and must not be above doubt and question. | |||
"No where near as oppressive as the banks. Churches have brought people solace and hope for centuries. Often erroneously. How so? If someone desires to have faith based hope, who is anyone to judge it as incorrect? Anyone who chooses to do so. Religion is not and must not be above doubt and question. " I think that you have the wrong idea about religion. There’s a difference between faith and, whatever it is the likes of isis etc have. | |||
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"No where near as oppressive as the banks. Churches have brought people solace and hope for centuries. Often erroneously. How so? If someone desires to have faith based hope, who is anyone to judge it as incorrect? Anyone who chooses to do so. Religion is not and must not be above doubt and question. I think that you have the wrong idea about religion. There’s a difference between faith and, whatever it is the likes of isis etc have. " I believe that faith in the Abrahamic concept of God is misplaced. That has nothing to do with isis, nor Isis. | |||
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"No where near as oppressive as the banks. Churches have brought people solace and hope for centuries. Often erroneously. How so? If someone desires to have faith based hope, who is anyone to judge it as incorrect? Anyone who chooses to do so. Religion is not and must not be above doubt and question. I think that you have the wrong idea about religion. There’s a difference between faith and, whatever it is the likes of isis etc have. I believe that faith in the Abrahamic concept of God is misplaced. That has nothing to do with isis, nor Isis. " You’re not being very forthcoming with your reasonings for this. It also does include isis, Islam is abrahamic... Just a point on the latter half of your post, isis never chose the name - the broadcasting media did. | |||
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" You’re not being very forthcoming with your reasonings for this. " I'm unsure what you're seeking. If pushed to describe my beliefs, I'd say I'm nearest to secular humanism. Someone said that faith in religion is often misplaced. I agree. | |||
"Absolutely nothing should be above question. People can have faith if they want to, but if we suspend critique, problems creep in. " There are those that choose to believe in particular deities and those who choose to believe in none. Neither view can be judged as correct or incorrect but there is a marked difference between religion and faith. Religion should always be open to question but faith, by it's very nature, exists beyond it. This, i think, is where it all starts to go wrong. | |||
"Absolutely nothing should be above question. People can have faith if they want to, but if we suspend critique, problems creep in. There are those that choose to believe in particular deities and those who choose to believe in none. Neither view can be judged as correct or incorrect but there is a marked difference between religion and faith. Religion should always be open to question but faith, by it's very nature, exists beyond it. This, i think, is where it all starts to go wrong." One can choose to have faith and stop questioning or question selectively. More power to you/them. But the idea that some claims are beyond any criticism by anyone because some people have faith is... not wise. | |||
"Absolutely nothing should be above question. People can have faith if they want to, but if we suspend critique, problems creep in. There are those that choose to believe in particular deities and those who choose to believe in none. Neither view can be judged as correct or incorrect but there is a marked difference between religion and faith. Religion should always be open to question but faith, by it's very nature, exists beyond it. This, i think, is where it all starts to go wrong. One can choose to have faith and stop questioning or question selectively. More power to you/them. But the idea that some claims are beyond any criticism by anyone because some people have faith is... not wise. " I’m not sure that I know of any (sane) Christians that would ever be of this opinion? Religion is mainly a philosophy to live your life by, it’s not about others, though the self. | |||
"Absolutely nothing should be above question. People can have faith if they want to, but if we suspend critique, problems creep in. There are those that choose to believe in particular deities and those who choose to believe in none. Neither view can be judged as correct or incorrect but there is a marked difference between religion and faith. Religion should always be open to question but faith, by it's very nature, exists beyond it. This, i think, is where it all starts to go wrong. One can choose to have faith and stop questioning or question selectively. More power to you/them. But the idea that some claims are beyond any criticism by anyone because some people have faith is... not wise. I’m not sure that I know of any (sane) Christians that would ever be of this opinion? Religion is mainly a philosophy to live your life by, it’s not about others, though the self. " amen  | |||
"Absolutely nothing should be above question. People can have faith if they want to, but if we suspend critique, problems creep in. There are those that choose to believe in particular deities and those who choose to believe in none. Neither view can be judged as correct or incorrect but there is a marked difference between religion and faith. Religion should always be open to question but faith, by it's very nature, exists beyond it. This, i think, is where it all starts to go wrong. One can choose to have faith and stop questioning or question selectively. More power to you/them. But the idea that some claims are beyond any criticism by anyone because some people have faith is... not wise. I’m not sure that I know of any (sane) Christians that would ever be of this opinion? Religion is mainly a philosophy to live your life by, it’s not about others, though the self. " Tell that to countless death people, in the name of God, Allah, Budda or any other deity. Say sorry its just philosophy | |||
"Absolutely nothing should be above question. People can have faith if they want to, but if we suspend critique, problems creep in. There are those that choose to believe in particular deities and those who choose to believe in none. Neither view can be judged as correct or incorrect but there is a marked difference between religion and faith. Religion should always be open to question but faith, by it's very nature, exists beyond it. This, i think, is where it all starts to go wrong. One can choose to have faith and stop questioning or question selectively. More power to you/them. But the idea that some claims are beyond any criticism by anyone because some people have faith is... not wise. I’m not sure that I know of any (sane) Christians that would ever be of this opinion? Religion is mainly a philosophy to live your life by, it’s not about others, though the self. Tell that to countless death people, in the name of God, Allah, Budda or any other deity. Say sorry its just philosophy "So by that reasoning alone, sex and promiscuity is also bad..... Religion never CAUSED anyone to die/be killed, just as tiny upper lip moustaches never caused the genocide in ww2. If you need someone to blame for all of the world’s ills, you should start with mankind. | |||
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"Organised religion is responsible for more deaths in history than any other concept. And in the Bible, God is personally responsible for orders of magnitude more deaths than Satan...... " I guess that you should start the bonfire then.... | |||
"Organised religion is responsible for more deaths in history than any other concept. And in the Bible, God is personally responsible for orders of magnitude more deaths than Satan...... " | |||
"Absolutely nothing should be above question. People can have faith if they want to, but if we suspend critique, problems creep in. There are those that choose to believe in particular deities and those who choose to believe in none. Neither view can be judged as correct or incorrect but there is a marked difference between religion and faith. Religion should always be open to question but faith, by it's very nature, exists beyond it. This, i think, is where it all starts to go wrong. One can choose to have faith and stop questioning or question selectively. More power to you/them. But the idea that some claims are beyond any criticism by anyone because some people have faith is... not wise. I’m not sure that I know of any (sane) Christians that would ever be of this opinion? Religion is mainly a philosophy to live your life by, it’s not about others, though the self. Tell that to countless death people, in the name of God, Allah, Budda or any other deity. Say sorry its just philosophy
So by that reasoning alone, sex and promiscuity is also bad.....
Religion never CAUSED anyone to die/be killed, just as tiny upper lip moustaches never caused the genocide in ww2. If you need someone to blame for all of the world’s ills, you should start with mankind. "Accualy more people died in China during ww2 than from nazi Germany but OK | |||
"Absolutely nothing should be above question. People can have faith if they want to, but if we suspend critique, problems creep in. There are those that choose to believe in particular deities and those who choose to believe in none. Neither view can be judged as correct or incorrect but there is a marked difference between religion and faith. Religion should always be open to question but faith, by it's very nature, exists beyond it. This, i think, is where it all starts to go wrong. One can choose to have faith and stop questioning or question selectively. More power to you/them. But the idea that some claims are beyond any criticism by anyone because some people have faith is... not wise. I’m not sure that I know of any (sane) Christians that would ever be of this opinion? Religion is mainly a philosophy to live your life by, it’s not about others, though the self. Tell that to countless death people, in the name of God, Allah, Budda or any other deity. Say sorry its just philosophy
So by that reasoning alone, sex and promiscuity is also bad.....
Religion never CAUSED anyone to die/be killed, just as tiny upper lip moustaches never caused the genocide in ww2. If you need someone to blame for all of the world’s ills, you should start with mankind.
Accualy more people died in China during ww2 than from nazi Germany but OK "I don’t think that you understood my point. | |||
"Absolutely nothing should be above question. People can have faith if they want to, but if we suspend critique, problems creep in. There are those that choose to believe in particular deities and those who choose to believe in none. Neither view can be judged as correct or incorrect but there is a marked difference between religion and faith. Religion should always be open to question but faith, by it's very nature, exists beyond it. This, i think, is where it all starts to go wrong. One can choose to have faith and stop questioning or question selectively. More power to you/them. But the idea that some claims are beyond any criticism by anyone because some people have faith is... not wise. I’m not sure that I know of any (sane) Christians that would ever be of this opinion? Religion is mainly a philosophy to live your life by, it’s not about others, though the self. Tell that to countless death people, in the name of God, Allah, Budda or any other deity. Say sorry its just philosophy
So by that reasoning alone, sex and promiscuity is also bad.....
Religion never CAUSED anyone to die/be killed, just as tiny upper lip moustaches never caused the genocide in ww2. If you need someone to blame for all of the world’s ills, you should start with mankind.
Accualy more people died in China during ww2 than from nazi Germany but OK
I don’t think that you understood my point.
"I did mate It's not religion its man | |||
"Absolutely nothing should be above question. People can have faith if they want to, but if we suspend critique, problems creep in. There are those that choose to believe in particular deities and those who choose to believe in none. Neither view can be judged as correct or incorrect but there is a marked difference between religion and faith. Religion should always be open to question but faith, by it's very nature, exists beyond it. This, i think, is where it all starts to go wrong. One can choose to have faith and stop questioning or question selectively. More power to you/them. But the idea that some claims are beyond any criticism by anyone because some people have faith is... not wise. I’m not sure that I know of any (sane) Christians that would ever be of this opinion? Religion is mainly a philosophy to live your life by, it’s not about others, though the self. Tell that to countless death people, in the name of God, Allah, Budda or any other deity. Say sorry its just philosophy
So by that reasoning alone, sex and promiscuity is also bad.....
Religion never CAUSED anyone to die/be killed, just as tiny upper lip moustaches never caused the genocide in ww2. If you need someone to blame for all of the world’s ills, you should start with mankind.
Accualy more people died in China during ww2 than from nazi Germany but OK
I don’t think that you understood my point.
I did mate
It's not religion its man
"Man created religion. | |||
"Absolutely nothing should be above question. People can have faith if they want to, but if we suspend critique, problems creep in. There are those that choose to believe in particular deities and those who choose to believe in none. Neither view can be judged as correct or incorrect but there is a marked difference between religion and faith. Religion should always be open to question but faith, by it's very nature, exists beyond it. This, i think, is where it all starts to go wrong. One can choose to have faith and stop questioning or question selectively. More power to you/them. But the idea that some claims are beyond any criticism by anyone because some people have faith is... not wise. I’m not sure that I know of any (sane) Christians that would ever be of this opinion? Religion is mainly a philosophy to live your life by, it’s not about others, though the self. Tell that to countless death people, in the name of God, Allah, Budda or any other deity. Say sorry its just philosophy
So by that reasoning alone, sex and promiscuity is also bad.....
Religion never CAUSED anyone to die/be killed, just as tiny upper lip moustaches never caused the genocide in ww2. If you need someone to blame for all of the world’s ills, you should start with mankind. "You're right, religion isn't the cause, but a lot of the time it's the excuse. | |||
"Absolutely nothing should be above question. People can have faith if they want to, but if we suspend critique, problems creep in. There are those that choose to believe in particular deities and those who choose to believe in none. Neither view can be judged as correct or incorrect but there is a marked difference between religion and faith. Religion should always be open to question but faith, by it's very nature, exists beyond it. This, i think, is where it all starts to go wrong. One can choose to have faith and stop questioning or question selectively. More power to you/them. But the idea that some claims are beyond any criticism by anyone because some people have faith is... not wise. I’m not sure that I know of any (sane) Christians that would ever be of this opinion? Religion is mainly a philosophy to live your life by, it’s not about others, though the self. Tell that to countless death people, in the name of God, Allah, Budda or any other deity. Say sorry its just philosophy
So by that reasoning alone, sex and promiscuity is also bad.....
Religion never CAUSED anyone to die/be killed, just as tiny upper lip moustaches never caused the genocide in ww2. If you need someone to blame for all of the world’s ills, you should start with mankind. "Religion never caused anyone to die? Spanish Inquisition? The holocaust? 9/11.....Northern Ireland??? To name a few | |||
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"I'm a heathen but I love church architecture. Liverpool Anglican cathedral I'd one of my favourite buildings. I've done a (tiny) bit of building work in my time and I am in awe of the vision, skill and determination it must take to get a building like that completed. Amazing dedication and workmanship" That's true, but when I look at it it just makes me wonder how much blood that magnificent building costs | |||
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"I'm a heathen but I love church architecture. Liverpool Anglican cathedral I'd one of my favourite buildings. I've done a (tiny) bit of building work in my time and I am in awe of the vision, skill and determination it must take to get a building like that completed. Amazing dedication and workmanship That's true, but when I look at it it just makes me wonder how much blood that magnificent building costs " Every city that grew up as a result of the industrial revolution will have been built on the blood and sweat of the working poor or the slave trade. Every stately home. Every Victorian railway line and tunnel was probably carved out by Irish navvies paid a pittance. Worth thinking about too. | |||
"Absolutely nothing should be above question. People can have faith if they want to, but if we suspend critique, problems creep in. There are those that choose to believe in particular deities and those who choose to believe in none. Neither view can be judged as correct or incorrect but there is a marked difference between religion and faith. Religion should always be open to question but faith, by it's very nature, exists beyond it. This, i think, is where it all starts to go wrong. One can choose to have faith and stop questioning or question selectively. More power to you/them. But the idea that some claims are beyond any criticism by anyone because some people have faith is... not wise. I’m not sure that I know of any (sane) Christians that would ever be of this opinion? Religion is mainly a philosophy to live your life by, it’s not about others, though the self. Tell that to countless death people, in the name of God, Allah, Budda or any other deity. Say sorry its just philosophy
So by that reasoning alone, sex and promiscuity is also bad.....
Religion never CAUSED anyone to die/be killed, just as tiny upper lip moustaches never caused the genocide in ww2. If you need someone to blame for all of the world’s ills, you should start with mankind.
Religion never caused anyone to die? Spanish Inquisition? The holocaust? 9/11.....Northern Ireland??? To name a few "This is like blaming a football for all of the world’s violence. It’s not the fault of the football, though those that use it as an excuse. The Bible/Quran/Torah has never caused these atrocities, the thick and greedy do. It’s unfortunate that it gets such a bad reputation due to it being USED and abused by such kind. It in itself has nothing to do with any of it. | |||
"I'm a heathen but I love church architecture. Liverpool Anglican cathedral I'd one of my favourite buildings. I've done a (tiny) bit of building work in my time and I am in awe of the vision, skill and determination it must take to get a building like that completed. Amazing dedication and workmanship That's true, but when I look at it it just makes me wonder how much blood that magnificent building costs Every city that grew up as a result of the industrial revolution will have been built on the blood and sweat of the working poor or the slave trade. Every stately home. Every Victorian railway line and tunnel was probably carved out by Irish navvies paid a pittance. Worth thinking about too. " Everyone that wasn’t rich, was a slave in Victorian Britain. Just look at the children forced into the cotton mills. | |||
"And coming back to holocaust, It's worth to mention concentration camps been developed by English during boer wars, Nazis just improve them " That's a fairly common misconception - the basic idea of forcing enemy civilians to leave their homes and gather in one place under guard is thousands of years old. The ancient Assyrians did it. The Inca of Peru did it. The term was first coined by the Spanish in Cuba in the late 19th century. | |||
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"Absolutely nothing should be above question. People can have faith if they want to, but if we suspend critique, problems creep in. There are those that choose to believe in particular deities and those who choose to believe in none. Neither view can be judged as correct or incorrect but there is a marked difference between religion and faith. Religion should always be open to question but faith, by it's very nature, exists beyond it. This, i think, is where it all starts to go wrong. One can choose to have faith and stop questioning or question selectively. More power to you/them. But the idea that some claims are beyond any criticism by anyone because some people have faith is... not wise. I’m not sure that I know of any (sane) Christians that would ever be of this opinion? Religion is mainly a philosophy to live your life by, it’s not about others, though the self. Tell that to countless death people, in the name of God, Allah, Budda or any other deity. Say sorry its just philosophy
So by that reasoning alone, sex and promiscuity is also bad.....
Religion never CAUSED anyone to die/be killed, just as tiny upper lip moustaches never caused the genocide in ww2. If you need someone to blame for all of the world’s ills, you should start with mankind.
Religion never caused anyone to die? Spanish Inquisition? The holocaust? 9/11.....Northern Ireland??? To name a few
This is like blaming a football for all of the world’s violence. It’s not the fault of the football, though those that use it as an excuse.
The Bible/Quran/Torah has never caused these atrocities, the thick and greedy do. It’s unfortunate that it gets such a bad reputation due to it being USED and abused by such kind. It in itself has nothing to do with any of it.
"Without them there would be no excuse to fly planes into buildings. Evil people will do evil things. Good people will do good things. But it takes religion to make good people do evil things. | |||
"And coming back to holocaust, It's worth to mention concentration camps been developed by English during boer wars, Nazis just improve them That's a fairly common misconception - the basic idea of forcing enemy civilians to leave their homes and gather in one place under guard is thousands of years old. The ancient Assyrians did it. The Inca of Peru did it. The term was first coined by the Spanish in Cuba in the late 19th century." Not resettlement, accual concentration camps where ppl been killed in groups. | |||
"Celebrations of the divine or symbols of oppression? Their symbolism i can't abide but i have to admit an admiration for their architecture." A symbol of community if you ask me. | |||
"The problem is if you eradicate religion, it will be skin color or hair color, if not that it will be eye color. Human nature to have more power and chase the money. No war or homicide was never commited over nothing else than personal gains, and religion is just a tool to force the masses to do just that, so the upper privilege cast can gain just that "Explain Northern Ireland then. What personal gain do the catholic’s have from hating prods and vice Versa ? Purely religion. | |||
"Absolutely nothing should be above question. People can have faith if they want to, but if we suspend critique, problems creep in. There are those that choose to believe in particular deities and those who choose to believe in none. Neither view can be judged as correct or incorrect but there is a marked difference between religion and faith. Religion should always be open to question but faith, by it's very nature, exists beyond it. This, i think, is where it all starts to go wrong. One can choose to have faith and stop questioning or question selectively. More power to you/them. But the idea that some claims are beyond any criticism by anyone because some people have faith is... not wise. I’m not sure that I know of any (sane) Christians that would ever be of this opinion? Religion is mainly a philosophy to live your life by, it’s not about others, though the self. Tell that to countless death people, in the name of God, Allah, Budda or any other deity. Say sorry its just philosophy
So by that reasoning alone, sex and promiscuity is also bad.....
Religion never CAUSED anyone to die/be killed, just as tiny upper lip moustaches never caused the genocide in ww2. If you need someone to blame for all of the world’s ills, you should start with mankind.
Religion never caused anyone to die? Spanish Inquisition? The holocaust? 9/11.....Northern Ireland??? To name a few
This is like blaming a football for all of the world’s violence. It’s not the fault of the football, though those that use it as an excuse.
The Bible/Quran/Torah has never caused these atrocities, the thick and greedy do. It’s unfortunate that it gets such a bad reputation due to it being USED and abused by such kind. It in itself has nothing to do with any of it.
Without them there would be no excuse to fly planes into buildings.
Evil people will do evil things.
Good people will do good things.
But it takes religion to make good people do evil things."Define evil, I can argue that Hitler was accualy good, one of not many politicians in history which accualy delivered for people, give Germans jobs,sense of belonging, and bread on the table | |||
"The problem is if you eradicate religion, it will be skin color or hair color, if not that it will be eye color. Human nature to have more power and chase the money. No war or homicide was never commited over nothing else than personal gains, and religion is just a tool to force the masses to do just that, so the upper privilege cast can gain just that
Explain Northern Ireland then. What personal gain do the catholic’s have from hating prods and vice Versa ? Purely religion. "get free from Imperiistic Britain, religion was just a factor to gather people to fight common enemy, it sounds better to fight anvlican heathens than fight mighty england | |||
"The problem is if you eradicate religion, it will be skin color or hair color, if not that it will be eye color. Human nature to have more power and chase the money. No war or homicide was never commited over nothing else than personal gains, and religion is just a tool to force the masses to do just that, so the upper privilege cast can gain just that
Explain Northern Ireland then. What personal gain do the catholic’s have from hating prods and vice Versa ? Purely religion. get free from Imperiistic Britain, religion was just a factor to gather people to fight common enemy, it sounds better to fight anvlican heathens than fight mighty england "Fighting amongst themselves about the same Christian god!!! | |||
"The problem is if you eradicate religion, it will be skin color or hair color, if not that it will be eye color. Human nature to have more power and chase the money. No war or homicide was never commited over nothing else than personal gains, and religion is just a tool to force the masses to do just that, so the upper privilege cast can gain just that
Explain Northern Ireland then. What personal gain do the catholic’s have from hating prods and vice Versa ? Purely religion. get free from Imperiistic Britain, religion was just a factor to gather people to fight common enemy, it sounds better to fight anvlican heathens than fight mighty england
Fighting amongst themselves about the same Christian god!!! "Not about god, about interpretation of bible if something, All though the fight was over united Ireland not religion | |||
"Absolutely nothing should be above question. People can have faith if they want to, but if we suspend critique, problems creep in. There are those that choose to believe in particular deities and those who choose to believe in none. Neither view can be judged as correct or incorrect but there is a marked difference between religion and faith. Religion should always be open to question but faith, by it's very nature, exists beyond it. This, i think, is where it all starts to go wrong. One can choose to have faith and stop questioning or question selectively. More power to you/them. But the idea that some claims are beyond any criticism by anyone because some people have faith is... not wise. I’m not sure that I know of any (sane) Christians that would ever be of this opinion? Religion is mainly a philosophy to live your life by, it’s not about others, though the self. Tell that to countless death people, in the name of God, Allah, Budda or any other deity. Say sorry its just philosophy
So by that reasoning alone, sex and promiscuity is also bad.....
Religion never CAUSED anyone to die/be killed, just as tiny upper lip moustaches never caused the genocide in ww2. If you need someone to blame for all of the world’s ills, you should start with mankind.
Religion never caused anyone to die? Spanish Inquisition? The holocaust? 9/11.....Northern Ireland??? To name a few
This is like blaming a football for all of the world’s violence. It’s not the fault of the football, though those that use it as an excuse.
The Bible/Quran/Torah has never caused these atrocities, the thick and greedy do. It’s unfortunate that it gets such a bad reputation due to it being USED and abused by such kind. It in itself has nothing to do with any of it.
Without them there would be no excuse to fly planes into buildings.
Evil people will do evil things.
Good people will do good things.
But it takes religion to make good people do evil things."That’s incredibly naive. Religion is an excuse and, not the root cause. If it wasn’t religion it would be something else. Let’s look at it as an us vs them, which society in the west is attempting to do away with; which is the true reason for all of this. If there were no ties to religion it would be socialist v conservative, white v black, one rock of land v the other. Humanity needs no excuse for hatred and stupidity, though we always like to have something to blame. The vast majority of religious people are lovely and are appalled at the atrocities in which use it to commit such acts. | |||
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"Absolutely nothing should be above question. People can have faith if they want to, but if we suspend critique, problems creep in. There are those that choose to believe in particular deities and those who choose to believe in none. Neither view can be judged as correct or incorrect but there is a marked difference between religion and faith. Religion should always be open to question but faith, by it's very nature, exists beyond it. This, i think, is where it all starts to go wrong. One can choose to have faith and stop questioning or question selectively. More power to you/them. But the idea that some claims are beyond any criticism by anyone because some people have faith is... not wise. I’m not sure that I know of any (sane) Christians that would ever be of this opinion? Religion is mainly a philosophy to live your life by, it’s not about others, though the self. Tell that to countless death people, in the name of God, Allah, Budda or any other deity. Say sorry its just philosophy
So by that reasoning alone, sex and promiscuity is also bad.....
Religion never CAUSED anyone to die/be killed, just as tiny upper lip moustaches never caused the genocide in ww2. If you need someone to blame for all of the world’s ills, you should start with mankind.
Religion never caused anyone to die? Spanish Inquisition? The holocaust? 9/11.....Northern Ireland??? To name a few
This is like blaming a football for all of the world’s violence. It’s not the fault of the football, though those that use it as an excuse.
The Bible/Quran/Torah has never caused these atrocities, the thick and greedy do. It’s unfortunate that it gets such a bad reputation due to it being USED and abused by such kind. It in itself has nothing to do with any of it.
Without them there would be no excuse to fly planes into buildings.
Evil people will do evil things.
Good people will do good things.
But it takes religion to make good people do evil things.
That’s incredibly naive. Religion is an excuse and, not the root cause. If it wasn’t religion it would be something else.
Let’s look at it as an us vs them, which society in the west is attempting to do away with; which is the true reason for all of this. If there were no ties to religion it would be socialist v conservative, white v black, one rock of land v the other. Humanity needs no excuse for hatred and stupidity, though we always like to have something to blame.
The vast majority of religious people are lovely and are appalled at the atrocities in which use it to commit such acts. "Who’s being naive here? Most religious people lovely? Muslims think that they have final solution. Xtians happy to see people burn in hell forever...jews gm their own kids...brainwashing children is not lovely. Believing fairy tales is the childish behaviour of the naive.....anti abortion, anti gay doctrine...no equal rights...taking tax money to fund churches and head of Church of England!! Lovely?? Wow | |||
"Absolutely nothing should be above question. People can have faith if they want to, but if we suspend critique, problems creep in. There are those that choose to believe in particular deities and those who choose to believe in none. Neither view can be judged as correct or incorrect but there is a marked difference between religion and faith. Religion should always be open to question but faith, by it's very nature, exists beyond it. This, i think, is where it all starts to go wrong. One can choose to have faith and stop questioning or question selectively. More power to you/them. But the idea that some claims are beyond any criticism by anyone because some people have faith is... not wise. I’m not sure that I know of any (sane) Christians that would ever be of this opinion? Religion is mainly a philosophy to live your life by, it’s not about others, though the self. Tell that to countless death people, in the name of God, Allah, Budda or any other deity. Say sorry its just philosophy
So by that reasoning alone, sex and promiscuity is also bad.....
Religion never CAUSED anyone to die/be killed, just as tiny upper lip moustaches never caused the genocide in ww2. If you need someone to blame for all of the world’s ills, you should start with mankind.
Religion never caused anyone to die? Spanish Inquisition? The holocaust? 9/11.....Northern Ireland??? To name a few
This is like blaming a football for all of the world’s violence. It’s not the fault of the football, though those that use it as an excuse.
The Bible/Quran/Torah has never caused these atrocities, the thick and greedy do. It’s unfortunate that it gets such a bad reputation due to it being USED and abused by such kind. It in itself has nothing to do with any of it.
Without them there would be no excuse to fly planes into buildings.
Evil people will do evil things.
Good people will do good things.
But it takes religion to make good people do evil things.
That’s incredibly naive. Religion is an excuse and, not the root cause. If it wasn’t religion it would be something else.
Let’s look at it as an us vs them, which society in the west is attempting to do away with; which is the true reason for all of this. If there were no ties to religion it would be socialist v conservative, white v black, one rock of land v the other. Humanity needs no excuse for hatred and stupidity, though we always like to have something to blame.
The vast majority of religious people are lovely and are appalled at the atrocities in which use it to commit such acts. "Agreed all comes down to one thing well 2 POWER AND MONEY | |||
"Absolutely nothing should be above question. People can have faith if they want to, but if we suspend critique, problems creep in. There are those that choose to believe in particular deities and those who choose to believe in none. Neither view can be judged as correct or incorrect but there is a marked difference between religion and faith. Religion should always be open to question but faith, by it's very nature, exists beyond it. This, i think, is where it all starts to go wrong. One can choose to have faith and stop questioning or question selectively. More power to you/them. But the idea that some claims are beyond any criticism by anyone because some people have faith is... not wise. I’m not sure that I know of any (sane) Christians that would ever be of this opinion? Religion is mainly a philosophy to live your life by, it’s not about others, though the self. Tell that to countless death people, in the name of God, Allah, Budda or any other deity. Say sorry its just philosophy
So by that reasoning alone, sex and promiscuity is also bad.....
Religion never CAUSED anyone to die/be killed, just as tiny upper lip moustaches never caused the genocide in ww2. If you need someone to blame for all of the world’s ills, you should start with mankind.
Religion never caused anyone to die? Spanish Inquisition? The holocaust? 9/11.....Northern Ireland??? To name a few
This is like blaming a football for all of the world’s violence. It’s not the fault of the football, though those that use it as an excuse.
The Bible/Quran/Torah has never caused these atrocities, the thick and greedy do. It’s unfortunate that it gets such a bad reputation due to it being USED and abused by such kind. It in itself has nothing to do with any of it.
Without them there would be no excuse to fly planes into buildings.
Evil people will do evil things.
Good people will do good things.
But it takes religion to make good people do evil things.
That’s incredibly naive. Religion is an excuse and, not the root cause. If it wasn’t religion it would be something else.
Let’s look at it as an us vs them, which society in the west is attempting to do away with; which is the true reason for all of this. If there were no ties to religion it would be socialist v conservative, white v black, one rock of land v the other. Humanity needs no excuse for hatred and stupidity, though we always like to have something to blame.
The vast majority of religious people are lovely and are appalled at the atrocities in which use it to commit such acts.
Agreed all comes down to one thing well 2
POWER AND MONEY "How come they aren’t appalled that gay people can’t get wed in church? That their god is sending me to hell for all eternity for not believing in him? Not appealed the god they worship drowned every baby on the planet and now lets 20,000 die of preventable illnesses every single day? How come they aren’t appalled their god condones slavery ? Says a woman sex victim should marry their abuser? If they were nice people, the Christians would not worship that god. They should turn away from that evilness and abandon such heinous beings. | |||
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"Anyone remember any atheists suicide bombers blowing up buildings in the name of secularism? Nope, me neither " Good point | |||
"Absolutely nothing should be above question. People can have faith if they want to, but if we suspend critique, problems creep in. There are those that choose to believe in particular deities and those who choose to believe in none. Neither view can be judged as correct or incorrect but there is a marked difference between religion and faith. Religion should always be open to question but faith, by it's very nature, exists beyond it. This, i think, is where it all starts to go wrong. One can choose to have faith and stop questioning or question selectively. More power to you/them. But the idea that some claims are beyond any criticism by anyone because some people have faith is... not wise. I’m not sure that I know of any (sane) Christians that would ever be of this opinion? Religion is mainly a philosophy to live your life by, it’s not about others, though the self. Tell that to countless death people, in the name of God, Allah, Budda or any other deity. Say sorry its just philosophy
So by that reasoning alone, sex and promiscuity is also bad.....
Religion never CAUSED anyone to die/be killed, just as tiny upper lip moustaches never caused the genocide in ww2. If you need someone to blame for all of the world’s ills, you should start with mankind.
Religion never caused anyone to die? Spanish Inquisition? The holocaust? 9/11.....Northern Ireland??? To name a few
This is like blaming a football for all of the world’s violence. It’s not the fault of the football, though those that use it as an excuse.
The Bible/Quran/Torah has never caused these atrocities, the thick and greedy do. It’s unfortunate that it gets such a bad reputation due to it being USED and abused by such kind. It in itself has nothing to do with any of it.
Without them there would be no excuse to fly planes into buildings.
Evil people will do evil things.
Good people will do good things.
But it takes religion to make good people do evil things.
That’s incredibly naive. Religion is an excuse and, not the root cause. If it wasn’t religion it would be something else.
Let’s look at it as an us vs them, which society in the west is attempting to do away with; which is the true reason for all of this. If there were no ties to religion it would be socialist v conservative, white v black, one rock of land v the other. Humanity needs no excuse for hatred and stupidity, though we always like to have something to blame.
The vast majority of religious people are lovely and are appalled at the atrocities in which use it to commit such acts.
Agreed all comes down to one thing well 2
POWER AND MONEY
How come they aren’t appalled that gay people can’t get wed in church? That their god is sending me to hell for all eternity for not believing in him? Not appealed the god they worship drowned every baby on the planet and now lets 20,000 die of preventable illnesses every single day? How come they aren’t appalled their god condones slavery ? Says a woman sex victim should marry their abuser? If they were nice people, the Christians would not worship that god. They should turn away from that evilness and abandon such heinous beings. "You sound awfully angry, Jesus May do you some good. You do also understand that if the abused marries their abuser, the abuser then becomes the slave. You’ve also just accused every Muslim as being a terrorist, Christian sadist and Hebrew of [word that cannot be used]. I mentioned before, it’s a philosophy, it’s a map of how to live ones life, it can be applied and utilised to get through life’s hardships. May I ask, are you a great believer of Tommy Robinson’s fairytales? | |||
"I'm now more curious to know if anyone has gotten up to any naughtiness inside a church " Priests... rhyming slang is closer than they think... "dirty beasts" | |||
"Anyone remember any atheists suicide bombers blowing up buildings in the name of secularism? Nope, me neither " Plenty of mass shooters though, yes. Mainly due to sex - either not getting any or, infidelity. We should ban sex. We should also ban feminism: Amazon’s that, wish to slaughter all men, of course 
Let’s just ban everything and, disallow any belief and human thought..... | |||
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"Anyone remember any atheists suicide bombers blowing up buildings in the name of secularism? Nope, me neither "
And some would say we need religion to have morals. | |||
"Anyone remember any atheists suicide bombers blowing up buildings in the name of secularism? Nope, me neither
And some would say we need religion to have morals. "Yes. Christians do and get the from god. The same god who wakes unruly children stoned to death! Morals! Chortle | |||
"Anyone remember any atheists suicide bombers blowing up buildings in the name of secularism? Nope, me neither
And some would say we need religion to have morals. "Do you think all those who have no religion also have no morals? | |||
"Anyone remember any atheists suicide bombers blowing up buildings in the name of secularism? Nope, me neither Plenty of mass shooters though, yes. Mainly due to sex - either not getting any or, infidelity. We should ban sex. We should also ban feminism: Amazon’s that, wish to slaughter all men, of course
Let’s just ban everything and, disallow any belief and human thought....."Human thought stifled by religion. Beliefs need some evidence. Belief in the supernatural is absurd . As for these mass shooters....many are atheists? Is that fact are a simple assertion without evidence? | |||
"Anyone remember any atheists suicide bombers blowing up buildings in the name of secularism? Nope, me neither Plenty of mass shooters though, yes. Mainly due to sex - either not getting any or, infidelity. We should ban sex. We should also ban feminism: Amazon’s that, wish to slaughter all men, of course
Let’s just ban everything and, disallow any belief and human thought.....
Human thought stifled by religion. Beliefs need some evidence. Belief in the supernatural is absurd .
As for these mass shooters....many are atheists? Is that fact are a simple assertion without evidence?"The clue is in the name - 'faith based' What evidence do you need? The stories in the bible are metaphorical analogies, there is no need to prove if there was a giant boat or man in the sky: as it's irrelevant to what the true meaning is... The terrorists and religious groups that commit atrocities are not doing so for religion, they're doing it for the same reasons in which you give for disliking religions. Those mass shooters are atheists according to their suicide notes. (journals which are all online) | |||
" Those mass shooters are atheists according to their suicide notes. (journals which are all online) " They did not kill in the name of atheism, nor to propagate atheism. | |||
"Celebrations of the divine or symbols of oppression? Their symbolism i can't abide but i have to admit an admiration for their architecture." As a builder I would agree, plus I have had a couple bjs outside my local church lol | |||
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"Anyone remember any atheists suicide bombers blowing up buildings in the name of secularism? Nope, me neither Plenty of mass shooters though, yes. Mainly due to sex - either not getting any or, infidelity. We should ban sex. We should also ban feminism: Amazon’s that, wish to slaughter all men, of course
Let’s just ban everything and, disallow any belief and human thought.....
Human thought stifled by religion. Beliefs need some evidence. Belief in the supernatural is absurd .
As for these mass shooters....many are atheists? Is that fact are a simple assertion without evidence?
The clue is in the name - 'faith based'
What evidence do you need? The stories in the bible are metaphorical analogies, there is no need to prove if there was a giant boat or man in the sky: as it's irrelevant to what the true meaning is...
The terrorists and religious groups that commit atrocities are not doing so for religion, they're doing it for the same reasons in which you give for disliking religions.
Those mass shooters are atheists according to their suicide notes. (journals which are all online) "Where can I look that up? And how many and in the name of atheism? Besides that....it still doesn’t make a god or god’s a real thing | |||
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"Like most things, few of us who do not understand something appreciate the finer qualities it may offer. Often those of us who do not understand can be cynical. This could be said about asking such a question to fabbers. Much like asking at a conference of nuns for their experience of and understanding and deep value of sexual expression. Both sides will have their cynical views." Skeptic rather than cynical myself. | |||
" Those mass shooters are atheists according to their suicide notes. (journals which are all online) They did not kill in the name of atheism, nor to propagate atheism. " They killed because of sex. | |||
"Anyone remember any atheists suicide bombers blowing up buildings in the name of secularism? Nope, me neither Plenty of mass shooters though, yes. Mainly due to sex - either not getting any or, infidelity. We should ban sex. We should also ban feminism: Amazon’s that, wish to slaughter all men, of course
Let’s just ban everything and, disallow any belief and human thought.....
Human thought stifled by religion. Beliefs need some evidence. Belief in the supernatural is absurd .
As for these mass shooters....many are atheists? Is that fact are a simple assertion without evidence?
The clue is in the name - 'faith based'
What evidence do you need? The stories in the bible are metaphorical analogies, there is no need to prove if there was a giant boat or man in the sky: as it's irrelevant to what the true meaning is...
The terrorists and religious groups that commit atrocities are not doing so for religion, they're doing it for the same reasons in which you give for disliking religions.
Those mass shooters are atheists according to their suicide notes. (journals which are all online)
Where can I look that up? And how many and in the name of atheism?
Besides that....it still doesn’t make a god or god’s a real thing "All I can do is laugh at this, I can't help myself, sorry. | |||
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"Absolutely nothing should be above question. People can have faith if they want to, but if we suspend critique, problems creep in. There are those that choose to believe in particular deities and those who choose to believe in none. Neither view can be judged as correct or incorrect but there is a marked difference between religion and faith. Religion should always be open to question but faith, by it's very nature, exists beyond it. This, i think, is where it all starts to go wrong. One can choose to have faith and stop questioning or question selectively. More power to you/them. But the idea that some claims are beyond any criticism by anyone because some people have faith is... not wise. I’m not sure that I know of any (sane) Christians that would ever be of this opinion? Religion is mainly a philosophy to live your life by, it’s not about others, though the self. Tell that to countless death people, in the name of God, Allah, Budda or any other deity. Say sorry its just philosophy
So by that reasoning alone, sex and promiscuity is also bad.....
Religion never CAUSED anyone to die/be killed, just as tiny upper lip moustaches never caused the genocide in ww2. If you need someone to blame for all of the world’s ills, you should start with mankind.
Religion never caused anyone to die? Spanish Inquisition? The holocaust? 9/11.....Northern Ireland??? To name a few
This is like blaming a football for all of the world’s violence. It’s not the fault of the football, though those that use it as an excuse.
The Bible/Quran/Torah has never caused these atrocities, the thick and greedy do. It’s unfortunate that it gets such a bad reputation due to it being USED and abused by such kind. It in itself has nothing to do with any of it.
Without them there would be no excuse to fly planes into buildings.
Evil people will do evil things.
Good people will do good things.
But it takes religion to make good people do evil things.
That’s incredibly naive. Religion is an excuse and, not the root cause. If it wasn’t religion it would be something else.
Let’s look at it as an us vs them, which society in the west is attempting to do away with; which is the true reason for all of this. If there were no ties to religion it would be socialist v conservative, white v black, one rock of land v the other. Humanity needs no excuse for hatred and stupidity, though we always like to have something to blame.
The vast majority of religious people are lovely and are appalled at the atrocities in which use it to commit such acts.
Agreed all comes down to one thing well 2
POWER AND MONEY
How come they aren’t appalled that gay people can’t get wed in church? That their god is sending me to hell for all eternity for not believing in him? Not appealed the god they worship drowned every baby on the planet and now lets 20,000 die of preventable illnesses every single day? How come they aren’t appalled their god condones slavery ? Says a woman sex victim should marry their abuser? If they were nice people, the Christians would not worship that god. They should turn away from that evilness and abandon such heinous beings.
You sound awfully angry, Jesus May do you some good. You do also understand that if the abused marries their abuser, the abuser then becomes the slave.
You’ve also just accused every Muslim as being a terrorist, Christian sadist and Hebrew of [word that cannot be used]. I mentioned before, it’s a philosophy, it’s a map of how to live ones life, it can be applied and utilised to get through life’s hardships.
May I ask, are you a great believer of Tommy Robinson’s fairytales? "I disagree , neither christianity nor Islam offer wholesome maps for life The truth is the 2 above texts for the very most part are either horrid or utter nonsense Within the books , a very good person will find a small nod to common sense behaviour that all,cultured,civilised humans would be doing anyhow the good books absolutely were NOT the originators of polite social etiquette, or dont kill others it's not nice The good believer must filter out more than 90 percent of the texts baggage to find what they should know anyway ! So Churches amazing Religion like all indoctrination, ethically questionable God stories , all human invented God defined as creator almost certainly only exists in human imagined fairy tales | |||
"You can (mostly) pray at my alter if you'd like? Well, some of you. Maybe just you two. "Or you can worship the phallus if you're up to it. | |||
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"Absolutely nothing should be above question. People can have faith if they want to, but if we suspend critique, problems creep in. There are those that choose to believe in particular deities and those who choose to believe in none. Neither view can be judged as correct or incorrect but there is a marked difference between religion and faith. Religion should always be open to question but faith, by it's very nature, exists beyond it. This, i think, is where it all starts to go wrong. One can choose to have faith and stop questioning or question selectively. More power to you/them. But the idea that some claims are beyond any criticism by anyone because some people have faith is... not wise. I’m not sure that I know of any (sane) Christians that would ever be of this opinion? Religion is mainly a philosophy to live your life by, it’s not about others, though the self. Tell that to countless death people, in the name of God, Allah, Budda or any other deity. Say sorry its just philosophy
So by that reasoning alone, sex and promiscuity is also bad.....
Religion never CAUSED anyone to die/be killed, just as tiny upper lip moustaches never caused the genocide in ww2. If you need someone to blame for all of the world’s ills, you should start with mankind.
Religion never caused anyone to die? Spanish Inquisition? The holocaust? 9/11.....Northern Ireland??? To name a few
This is like blaming a football for all of the world’s violence. It’s not the fault of the football, though those that use it as an excuse.
The Bible/Quran/Torah has never caused these atrocities, the thick and greedy do. It’s unfortunate that it gets such a bad reputation due to it being USED and abused by such kind. It in itself has nothing to do with any of it.
Without them there would be no excuse to fly planes into buildings.
Evil people will do evil things.
Good people will do good things.
But it takes religion to make good people do evil things.
That’s incredibly naive. Religion is an excuse and, not the root cause. If it wasn’t religion it would be something else.
Let’s look at it as an us vs them, which society in the west is attempting to do away with; which is the true reason for all of this. If there were no ties to religion it would be socialist v conservative, white v black, one rock of land v the other. Humanity needs no excuse for hatred and stupidity, though we always like to have something to blame.
The vast majority of religious people are lovely and are appalled at the atrocities in which use it to commit such acts.
Agreed all comes down to one thing well 2
POWER AND MONEY
How come they aren’t appalled that gay people can’t get wed in church? That their god is sending me to hell for all eternity for not believing in him? Not appealed the god they worship drowned every baby on the planet and now lets 20,000 die of preventable illnesses every single day? How come they aren’t appalled their god condones slavery ? Says a woman sex victim should marry their abuser? If they were nice people, the Christians would not worship that god. They should turn away from that evilness and abandon such heinous beings.
You sound awfully angry, Jesus May do you some good. You do also understand that if the abused marries their abuser, the abuser then becomes the slave.
You’ve also just accused every Muslim as being a terrorist, Christian sadist and Hebrew of [word that cannot be used]. I mentioned before, it’s a philosophy, it’s a map of how to live ones life, it can be applied and utilised to get through life’s hardships.
May I ask, are you a great believer of Tommy Robinson’s fairytales?
I disagree , neither christianity nor Islam offer wholesome maps for life
The truth is the 2 above texts for the very most part are either horrid or utter nonsense
Within the books , a very good person will find a small nod to common sense behaviour that all,cultured,civilised humans would be doing anyhow the good books absolutely were NOT the originators of polite social etiquette, or dont kill others it's not nice
The good believer must filter out more than 90 percent of the texts baggage to find what they should know anyway !
So
Churches amazing
Religion like all indoctrination, ethically questionable
God stories , all human invented
God defined as creator almost certainly only exists in human imagined fairy tales "Evidently having trouble understanding the meaning of Philosophy. You do realize that the ten commandments were in actual fact stemmed from Religious texts. If you believe there was such a thing or, even could have been a "polite society" without it, you're sadly mistaken. Our society has gotten to where we are with the help of religion. You've evidently never read the Bible before, each of those commandments are set within the stories of the bible. No one is even talking about a man in the sky, apart from the lot that need to try and speak down on religion. You should go and ask the homeless who feeds them, clothes them, puts them in shelter when the rest of society has forgotten about them. The church gets nothing in return for this, nor helping the aged. | |||
"Absolutely nothing should be above question. People can have faith if they want to, but if we suspend critique, problems creep in. There are those that choose to believe in particular deities and those who choose to believe in none. Neither view can be judged as correct or incorrect but there is a marked difference between religion and faith. Religion should always be open to question but faith, by it's very nature, exists beyond it. This, i think, is where it all starts to go wrong. One can choose to have faith and stop questioning or question selectively. More power to you/them. But the idea that some claims are beyond any criticism by anyone because some people have faith is... not wise. I’m not sure that I know of any (sane) Christians that would ever be of this opinion? Religion is mainly a philosophy to live your life by, it’s not about others, though the self. Tell that to countless death people, in the name of God, Allah, Budda or any other deity. Say sorry its just philosophy
So by that reasoning alone, sex and promiscuity is also bad.....
Religion never CAUSED anyone to die/be killed, just as tiny upper lip moustaches never caused the genocide in ww2. If you need someone to blame for all of the world’s ills, you should start with mankind.
Religion never caused anyone to die? Spanish Inquisition? The holocaust? 9/11.....Northern Ireland??? To name a few
This is like blaming a football for all of the world’s violence. It’s not the fault of the football, though those that use it as an excuse.
The Bible/Quran/Torah has never caused these atrocities, the thick and greedy do. It’s unfortunate that it gets such a bad reputation due to it being USED and abused by such kind. It in itself has nothing to do with any of it.
Without them there would be no excuse to fly planes into buildings.
Evil people will do evil things.
Good people will do good things.
But it takes religion to make good people do evil things.
That’s incredibly naive. Religion is an excuse and, not the root cause. If it wasn’t religion it would be something else.
Let’s look at it as an us vs them, which society in the west is attempting to do away with; which is the true reason for all of this. If there were no ties to religion it would be socialist v conservative, white v black, one rock of land v the other. Humanity needs no excuse for hatred and stupidity, though we always like to have something to blame.
The vast majority of religious people are lovely and are appalled at the atrocities in which use it to commit such acts.
Agreed all comes down to one thing well 2
POWER AND MONEY
How come they aren’t appalled that gay people can’t get wed in church? That their god is sending me to hell for all eternity for not believing in him? Not appealed the god they worship drowned every baby on the planet and now lets 20,000 die of preventable illnesses every single day? How come they aren’t appalled their god condones slavery ? Says a woman sex victim should marry their abuser? If they were nice people, the Christians would not worship that god. They should turn away from that evilness and abandon such heinous beings.
You sound awfully angry, Jesus May do you some good. You do also understand that if the abused marries their abuser, the abuser then becomes the slave.
You’ve also just accused every Muslim as being a terrorist, Christian sadist and Hebrew of [word that cannot be used]. I mentioned before, it’s a philosophy, it’s a map of how to live ones life, it can be applied and utilised to get through life’s hardships.
May I ask, are you a great believer of Tommy Robinson’s fairytales?
I disagree , neither christianity nor Islam offer wholesome maps for life
The truth is the 2 above texts for the very most part are either horrid or utter nonsense
Within the books , a very good person will find a small nod to common sense behaviour that all,cultured,civilised humans would be doing anyhow the good books absolutely were NOT the originators of polite social etiquette, or dont kill others it's not nice
The good believer must filter out more than 90 percent of the texts baggage to find what they should know anyway !
So
Churches amazing
Religion like all indoctrination, ethically questionable
God stories , all human invented
God defined as creator almost certainly only exists in human imagined fairy tales
Evidently having trouble understanding the meaning of Philosophy. You do realize that the ten commandments were in actual fact stemmed from Religious texts. If you believe there was such a thing or, even could have been a "polite society" without it, you're sadly mistaken. Our society has gotten to where we are with the help of religion.
You've evidently never read the Bible before, each of those commandments are set within the stories of the bible. No one is even talking about a man in the sky, apart from the lot that need to try and speak down on religion.
You should go and ask the homeless who feeds them, clothes them, puts them in shelter when the rest of society has forgotten about them. The church gets nothing in return for this, nor helping the aged. "He he , go on list the magic ten , pretty please you do it else I shall and illustrate how inaccurate and misinformed your post was xxx | |||
"Anyone remember any atheists suicide bombers blowing up buildings in the name of secularism? Nope, me neither
And some would say we need religion to have morals.
Do you think all those who have no religion also have no morals?"No. | |||
"Absolutely nothing should be above question. People can have faith if they want to, but if we suspend critique, problems creep in. There are those that choose to believe in particular deities and those who choose to believe in none. Neither view can be judged as correct or incorrect but there is a marked difference between religion and faith. Religion should always be open to question but faith, by it's very nature, exists beyond it. This, i think, is where it all starts to go wrong. One can choose to have faith and stop questioning or question selectively. More power to you/them. But the idea that some claims are beyond any criticism by anyone because some people have faith is... not wise. I’m not sure that I know of any (sane) Christians that would ever be of this opinion? Religion is mainly a philosophy to live your life by, it’s not about others, though the self. Tell that to countless death people, in the name of God, Allah, Budda or any other deity. Say sorry its just philosophy
So by that reasoning alone, sex and promiscuity is also bad.....
Religion never CAUSED anyone to die/be killed, just as tiny upper lip moustaches never caused the genocide in ww2. If you need someone to blame for all of the world’s ills, you should start with mankind.
Religion never caused anyone to die? Spanish Inquisition? The holocaust? 9/11.....Northern Ireland??? To name a few
This is like blaming a football for all of the world’s violence. It’s not the fault of the football, though those that use it as an excuse.
The Bible/Quran/Torah has never caused these atrocities, the thick and greedy do. It’s unfortunate that it gets such a bad reputation due to it being USED and abused by such kind. It in itself has nothing to do with any of it.
Without them there would be no excuse to fly planes into buildings.
Evil people will do evil things.
Good people will do good things.
But it takes religion to make good people do evil things.
That’s incredibly naive. Religion is an excuse and, not the root cause. If it wasn’t religion it would be something else.
Let’s look at it as an us vs them, which society in the west is attempting to do away with; which is the true reason for all of this. If there were no ties to religion it would be socialist v conservative, white v black, one rock of land v the other. Humanity needs no excuse for hatred and stupidity, though we always like to have something to blame.
The vast majority of religious people are lovely and are appalled at the atrocities in which use it to commit such acts.
Agreed all comes down to one thing well 2
POWER AND MONEY
How come they aren’t appalled that gay people can’t get wed in church? That their god is sending me to hell for all eternity for not believing in him? Not appealed the god they worship drowned every baby on the planet and now lets 20,000 die of preventable illnesses every single day? How come they aren’t appalled their god condones slavery ? Says a woman sex victim should marry their abuser? If they were nice people, the Christians would not worship that god. They should turn away from that evilness and abandon such heinous beings.
You sound awfully angry, Jesus May do you some good. You do also understand that if the abused marries their abuser, the abuser then becomes the slave.
You’ve also just accused every Muslim as being a terrorist, Christian sadist and Hebrew of [word that cannot be used]. I mentioned before, it’s a philosophy, it’s a map of how to live ones life, it can be applied and utilised to get through life’s hardships.
May I ask, are you a great believer of Tommy Robinson’s fairytales?
I disagree , neither christianity nor Islam offer wholesome maps for life
The truth is the 2 above texts for the very most part are either horrid or utter nonsense
Within the books , a very good person will find a small nod to common sense behaviour that all,cultured,civilised humans would be doing anyhow the good books absolutely were NOT the originators of polite social etiquette, or dont kill others it's not nice
The good believer must filter out more than 90 percent of the texts baggage to find what they should know anyway !
So
Churches amazing
Religion like all indoctrination, ethically questionable
God stories , all human invented
God defined as creator almost certainly only exists in human imagined fairy tales
Evidently having trouble understanding the meaning of Philosophy. You do realize that the ten commandments were in actual fact stemmed from Religious texts. If you believe there was such a thing or, even could have been a "polite society" without it, you're sadly mistaken. Our society has gotten to where we are with the help of religion.
You've evidently never read the Bible before, each of those commandments are set within the stories of the bible. No one is even talking about a man in the sky, apart from the lot that need to try and speak down on religion.
You should go and ask the homeless who feeds them, clothes them, puts them in shelter when the rest of society has forgotten about them. The church gets nothing in return for this, nor helping the aged.
He he , go on list the magic ten , pretty please you do it else I shall and illustrate how inaccurate and misinformed your post was xxx"Have you ever heard of the dead sea scrolls? It precedes your idea of 'polite society' by thousands of years... You shall have no other Gods but me. You shall not make for yourself any idol, nor bow down to it or worship it. You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God. You shall remember and keep the Sabbath day holy. Respect your father and mother. You must not commit murder. You must not commit adultery. You must not steal. You must not give false evidence against your neighbour. You must not be envious of your neighbour's goods. You shall not be envious of his house nor his wife, nor anything that belongs to your neighbour. There you go, essentially everything that makes society habitable. Also, faith in a being higher than humanity, is essentially a belief in oneself, as it's YOUR God; in essence, no one can bring one down that has no faith in humanity in the first place. (Which is essentially the entire purpose in Jesus) Good day. | |||
"Absolutely nothing should be above question. People can have faith if they want to, but if we suspend critique, problems creep in. There are those that choose to believe in particular deities and those who choose to believe in none. Neither view can be judged as correct or incorrect but there is a marked difference between religion and faith. Religion should always be open to question but faith, by it's very nature, exists beyond it. This, i think, is where it all starts to go wrong. One can choose to have faith and stop questioning or question selectively. More power to you/them. But the idea that some claims are beyond any criticism by anyone because some people have faith is... not wise. I’m not sure that I know of any (sane) Christians that would ever be of this opinion? Religion is mainly a philosophy to live your life by, it’s not about others, though the self. Tell that to countless death people, in the name of God, Allah, Budda or any other deity. Say sorry its just philosophy
So by that reasoning alone, sex and promiscuity is also bad.....
Religion never CAUSED anyone to die/be killed, just as tiny upper lip moustaches never caused the genocide in ww2. If you need someone to blame for all of the world’s ills, you should start with mankind.
Religion never caused anyone to die? Spanish Inquisition? The holocaust? 9/11.....Northern Ireland??? To name a few
This is like blaming a football for all of the world’s violence. It’s not the fault of the football, though those that use it as an excuse.
The Bible/Quran/Torah has never caused these atrocities, the thick and greedy do. It’s unfortunate that it gets such a bad reputation due to it being USED and abused by such kind. It in itself has nothing to do with any of it.
Without them there would be no excuse to fly planes into buildings.
Evil people will do evil things.
Good people will do good things.
But it takes religion to make good people do evil things.
That’s incredibly naive. Religion is an excuse and, not the root cause. If it wasn’t religion it would be something else.
Let’s look at it as an us vs them, which society in the west is attempting to do away with; which is the true reason for all of this. If there were no ties to religion it would be socialist v conservative, white v black, one rock of land v the other. Humanity needs no excuse for hatred and stupidity, though we always like to have something to blame.
The vast majority of religious people are lovely and are appalled at the atrocities in which use it to commit such acts.
Agreed all comes down to one thing well 2
POWER AND MONEY
How come they aren’t appalled that gay people can’t get wed in church? That their god is sending me to hell for all eternity for not believing in him? Not appealed the god they worship drowned every baby on the planet and now lets 20,000 die of preventable illnesses every single day? How come they aren’t appalled their god condones slavery ? Says a woman sex victim should marry their abuser? If they were nice people, the Christians would not worship that god. They should turn away from that evilness and abandon such heinous beings.
You sound awfully angry, Jesus May do you some good. You do also understand that if the abused marries their abuser, the abuser then becomes the slave.
You’ve also just accused every Muslim as being a terrorist, Christian sadist and Hebrew of [word that cannot be used]. I mentioned before, it’s a philosophy, it’s a map of how to live ones life, it can be applied and utilised to get through life’s hardships.
May I ask, are you a great believer of Tommy Robinson’s fairytales?
I disagree , neither christianity nor Islam offer wholesome maps for life
The truth is the 2 above texts for the very most part are either horrid or utter nonsense
Within the books , a very good person will find a small nod to common sense behaviour that all,cultured,civilised humans would be doing anyhow the good books absolutely were NOT the originators of polite social etiquette, or dont kill others it's not nice
The good believer must filter out more than 90 percent of the texts baggage to find what they should know anyway !
So
Churches amazing
Religion like all indoctrination, ethically questionable
God stories , all human invented
God defined as creator almost certainly only exists in human imagined fairy tales
Evidently having trouble understanding the meaning of Philosophy. You do realize that the ten commandments were in actual fact stemmed from Religious texts. If you believe there was such a thing or, even could have been a "polite society" without it, you're sadly mistaken. Our society has gotten to where we are with the help of religion.
You've evidently never read the Bible before, each of those commandments are set within the stories of the bible. No one is even talking about a man in the sky, apart from the lot that need to try and speak down on religion.
You should go and ask the homeless who feeds them, clothes them, puts them in shelter when the rest of society has forgotten about them. The church gets nothing in return for this, nor helping the aged.
He he , go on list the magic ten , pretty please you do it else I shall and illustrate how inaccurate and misinformed your post was xxx
Have you ever heard of the dead sea scrolls?
It precedes your idea of 'polite society' by thousands of years...
You shall have no other Gods but me.
You shall not make for yourself any idol, nor bow down to it or worship it.
You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God.
You shall remember and keep the Sabbath day holy.
Respect your father and mother.
You must not commit murder.
You must not commit adultery.
You must not steal.
You must not give false evidence against your neighbour.
You must not be envious of your neighbour's goods. You shall not be envious of his house nor his wife, nor anything that belongs to your neighbour.
There you go, essentially everything that makes society habitable. Also, faith in a being higher than humanity, is essentially a belief in oneself, as it's YOUR God; in essence, no one can bring one down that has no faith in humanity in the first place. (Which is essentially the entire purpose in Jesus)
Good day.
"And genuinely, some people believe this was the word of an actual god! No..honestly, grown people !! | |||
"Absolutely nothing should be above question. People can have faith if they want to, but if we suspend critique, problems creep in. There are those that choose to believe in particular deities and those who choose to believe in none. Neither view can be judged as correct or incorrect but there is a marked difference between religion and faith. Religion should always be open to question but faith, by it's very nature, exists beyond it. This, i think, is where it all starts to go wrong. One can choose to have faith and stop questioning or question selectively. More power to you/them. But the idea that some claims are beyond any criticism by anyone because some people have faith is... not wise. I’m not sure that I know of any (sane) Christians that would ever be of this opinion? Religion is mainly a philosophy to live your life by, it’s not about others, though the self. Tell that to countless death people, in the name of God, Allah, Budda or any other deity. Say sorry its just philosophy
So by that reasoning alone, sex and promiscuity is also bad.....
Religion never CAUSED anyone to die/be killed, just as tiny upper lip moustaches never caused the genocide in ww2. If you need someone to blame for all of the world’s ills, you should start with mankind.
Religion never caused anyone to die? Spanish Inquisition? The holocaust? 9/11.....Northern Ireland??? To name a few
This is like blaming a football for all of the world’s violence. It’s not the fault of the football, though those that use it as an excuse.
The Bible/Quran/Torah has never caused these atrocities, the thick and greedy do. It’s unfortunate that it gets such a bad reputation due to it being USED and abused by such kind. It in itself has nothing to do with any of it.
Without them there would be no excuse to fly planes into buildings.
Evil people will do evil things.
Good people will do good things.
But it takes religion to make good people do evil things.
That’s incredibly naive. Religion is an excuse and, not the root cause. If it wasn’t religion it would be something else.
Let’s look at it as an us vs them, which society in the west is attempting to do away with; which is the true reason for all of this. If there were no ties to religion it would be socialist v conservative, white v black, one rock of land v the other. Humanity needs no excuse for hatred and stupidity, though we always like to have something to blame.
The vast majority of religious people are lovely and are appalled at the atrocities in which use it to commit such acts.
Agreed all comes down to one thing well 2
POWER AND MONEY
How come they aren’t appalled that gay people can’t get wed in church? That their god is sending me to hell for all eternity for not believing in him? Not appealed the god they worship drowned every baby on the planet and now lets 20,000 die of preventable illnesses every single day? How come they aren’t appalled their god condones slavery ? Says a woman sex victim should marry their abuser? If they were nice people, the Christians would not worship that god. They should turn away from that evilness and abandon such heinous beings.
You sound awfully angry, Jesus May do you some good. You do also understand that if the abused marries their abuser, the abuser then becomes the slave.
You’ve also just accused every Muslim as being a terrorist, Christian sadist and Hebrew of [word that cannot be used]. I mentioned before, it’s a philosophy, it’s a map of how to live ones life, it can be applied and utilised to get through life’s hardships.
May I ask, are you a great believer of Tommy Robinson’s fairytales?
I disagree , neither christianity nor Islam offer wholesome maps for life
The truth is the 2 above texts for the very most part are either horrid or utter nonsense
Within the books , a very good person will find a small nod to common sense behaviour that all,cultured,civilised humans would be doing anyhow the good books absolutely were NOT the originators of polite social etiquette, or dont kill others it's not nice
The good believer must filter out more than 90 percent of the texts baggage to find what they should know anyway !
So
Churches amazing
Religion like all indoctrination, ethically questionable
God stories , all human invented
God defined as creator almost certainly only exists in human imagined fairy tales
Evidently having trouble understanding the meaning of Philosophy. You do realize that the ten commandments were in actual fact stemmed from Religious texts. If you believe there was such a thing or, even could have been a "polite society" without it, you're sadly mistaken. Our society has gotten to where we are with the help of religion.
You've evidently never read the Bible before, each of those commandments are set within the stories of the bible. No one is even talking about a man in the sky, apart from the lot that need to try and speak down on religion.
You should go and ask the homeless who feeds them, clothes them, puts them in shelter when the rest of society has forgotten about them. The church gets nothing in return for this, nor helping the aged.
He he , go on list the magic ten , pretty please you do it else I shall and illustrate how inaccurate and misinformed your post was xxx
Have you ever heard of the dead sea scrolls?
It precedes your idea of 'polite society' by thousands of years...
You shall have no other Gods but me.
You shall not make for yourself any idol, nor bow down to it or worship it.
You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God.
You shall remember and keep the Sabbath day holy.
Respect your father and mother.
You must not commit murder.
You must not commit adultery.
You must not steal.
You must not give false evidence against your neighbour.
You must not be envious of your neighbour's goods. You shall not be envious of his house nor his wife, nor anything that belongs to your neighbour.
There you go, essentially everything that makes society habitable. Also, faith in a being higher than humanity, is essentially a belief in oneself, as it's YOUR God; in essence, no one can bring one down that has no faith in humanity in the first place. (Which is essentially the entire purpose in Jesus)
Good day.
And genuinely, some people believe this was the word of an actual god! No..honestly, grown people !! "No, as I have already mentioned to you 500 times, everyone is aware that it was written by a mans hand. Why do you keep replying when you clearly haven't got a clue about the topic nor, do you wish to understand anything from a Christian's perspective. | |||
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"Celebrations of the divine or symbols of oppression? Their symbolism i can't abide but i have to admit an admiration for their architecture." Cant not like the architecture but they are symbols of power, designed to humble the weak into compliance, especially the cathedrals.. Give me a standing stone or tree any day  | |||
"I know people who believe that the Bible is the direct word of god and who refuse to believe it was written over many decades by men.... Chopped, changed, edited, whole books removed... Translated etc. " I know a man that drank too much absinthe and, drowned in a swimming pool thinking that he was a seal. People can believe whatever they wish to believe. There are many that believe certain things about swinging, doesn't make it right. | |||
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"I know people who believe that the Bible is the direct word of god and who refuse to believe it was written over many decades by men.... Chopped, changed, edited, whole books removed... Translated etc. I know a man that drank too much absinthe and, drowned in a swimming pool thinking that he was a seal. People can believe whatever they wish to believe. There are many that believe certain things about swinging, doesn't make it right." Hold on... A few minutes ago you said "everyone's aware it was written by a man's hand" I'm calling it. Troll. | |||
"Celebrations of the divine or symbols of oppression? Their symbolism i can't abide but i have to admit an admiration for their architecture." Look at the global sense of loss over Notre Dame... I feel that loss and yet I have no religion. | |||
"There are still plenty of Christians across the globe who believe the Bible is the word of God, regardless of the fact that it was written by man's hand, that he was merely dictating. Those that believe their preachers speak with God's voice as though channelling him directly, schools that insist on teaching Creationism ensuring that their congregations remain with their collective heads planted firmly in the sand. This is what i was referring to as faith, it is blind, beyond question and the preserve of the mentally weak and emotionally unstable and as such is insidious and extremely dangerous." I have already explained the reasonings for this, which, outside of being delusional, is actually a tactic in which is commonly used in psychology. Yes, there are some "ill" people who take things to the extreme, as there are with all things in life. Those people are "extremists" or plain delusional. I'm sure that the vast majority of you are aware of this and, just enjoying the debate as much as I am myself | |||
"I know people who believe that the Bible is the direct word of god and who refuse to believe it was written over many decades by men.... Chopped, changed, edited, whole books removed... Translated etc. I know a man that drank too much absinthe and, drowned in a swimming pool thinking that he was a seal. People can believe whatever they wish to believe. There are many that believe certain things about swinging, doesn't make it right. Hold on... A few minutes ago you said "everyone's aware it was written by a man's hand" I'm calling it. Troll. "   | |||
"Celebrations of the divine or symbols of oppression? Their symbolism i can't abide but i have to admit an admiration for their architecture. Look at the global sense of loss over Notre Dame... I feel that loss and yet I have no religion." I don't tbh, even though I think building itself was magnificent, there is still the price which been payed to put it up, and everyone forgets that | |||
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"As someone brought up with no religion I'm always curious as to why do many people blame everything in religion and appear to hate it so much! " As it divides. As it controls. As it teaches people not to think critically. As it’s responsible for many deaths. As it halted scientific discovery. As it promotes evil concepts. As it hides pedophiles. As it approved genital mutation. As it scares innocent children. As it takes money that would be better spent. The list is endless | |||
"Celebrations of the divine or symbols of oppression? Their symbolism i can't abide but i have to admit an admiration for their architecture. Look at the global sense of loss over Notre Dame... I feel that loss and yet I have no religion. I don't tbh, even though I think building itself was magnificent, there is still the price which been payed to put it up, and everyone forgets that " And the money raised to fix it but can’t raise money for starving babies | |||
"Celebrations of the divine or symbols of oppression? Their symbolism i can't abide but i have to admit an admiration for their architecture. Look at the global sense of loss over Notre Dame... I feel that loss and yet I have no religion. I don't tbh, even though I think building itself was magnificent, there is still the price which been payed to put it up, and everyone forgets that And the money raised to fix it but can’t raise money for starving babies " Preach! People in poverty, starving and can't get clean water but let's raise millions for a fucking building  | |||
"Absolutely nothing should be above question. People can have faith if they want to, but if we suspend critique, problems creep in. There are those that choose to believe in particular deities and those who choose to believe in none. Neither view can be judged as correct or incorrect but there is a marked difference between religion and faith. Religion should always be open to question but faith, by it's very nature, exists beyond it. This, i think, is where it all starts to go wrong. One can choose to have faith and stop questioning or question selectively. More power to you/them. But the idea that some claims are beyond any criticism by anyone because some people have faith is... not wise. I’m not sure that I know of any (sane) Christians that would ever be of this opinion? Religion is mainly a philosophy to live your life by, it’s not about others, though the self. Tell that to countless death people, in the name of God, Allah, Budda or any other deity. Say sorry its just philosophy
So by that reasoning alone, sex and promiscuity is also bad.....
Religion never CAUSED anyone to die/be killed, just as tiny upper lip moustaches never caused the genocide in ww2. If you need someone to blame for all of the world’s ills, you should start with mankind.
Religion never caused anyone to die? Spanish Inquisition? The holocaust? 9/11.....Northern Ireland??? To name a few
This is like blaming a football for all of the world’s violence. It’s not the fault of the football, though those that use it as an excuse.
The Bible/Quran/Torah has never caused these atrocities, the thick and greedy do. It’s unfortunate that it gets such a bad reputation due to it being USED and abused by such kind. It in itself has nothing to do with any of it.
Without them there would be no excuse to fly planes into buildings.
Evil people will do evil things.
Good people will do good things.
But it takes religion to make good people do evil things.
That’s incredibly naive. Religion is an excuse and, not the root cause. If it wasn’t religion it would be something else.
Let’s look at it as an us vs them, which society in the west is attempting to do away with; which is the true reason for all of this. If there were no ties to religion it would be socialist v conservative, white v black, one rock of land v the other. Humanity needs no excuse for hatred and stupidity, though we always like to have something to blame.
The vast majority of religious people are lovely and are appalled at the atrocities in which use it to commit such acts.
Agreed all comes down to one thing well 2
POWER AND MONEY
How come they aren’t appalled that gay people can’t get wed in church? That their god is sending me to hell for all eternity for not believing in him? Not appealed the god they worship drowned every baby on the planet and now lets 20,000 die of preventable illnesses every single day? How come they aren’t appalled their god condones slavery ? Says a woman sex victim should marry their abuser? If they were nice people, the Christians would not worship that god. They should turn away from that evilness and abandon such heinous beings.
You sound awfully angry, Jesus May do you some good. You do also understand that if the abused marries their abuser, the abuser then becomes the slave.
You’ve also just accused every Muslim as being a terrorist, Christian sadist and Hebrew of [word that cannot be used]. I mentioned before, it’s a philosophy, it’s a map of how to live ones life, it can be applied and utilised to get through life’s hardships.
May I ask, are you a great believer of Tommy Robinson’s fairytales?
I disagree , neither christianity nor Islam offer wholesome maps for life
The truth is the 2 above texts for the very most part are either horrid or utter nonsense
Within the books , a very good person will find a small nod to common sense behaviour that all,cultured,civilised humans would be doing anyhow the good books absolutely were NOT the originators of polite social etiquette, or dont kill others it's not nice
The good believer must filter out more than 90 percent of the texts baggage to find what they should know anyway !
So
Churches amazing
Religion like all indoctrination, ethically questionable
God stories , all human invented
God defined as creator almost certainly only exists in human imagined fairy tales
Evidently having trouble understanding the meaning of Philosophy. You do realize that the ten commandments were in actual fact stemmed from Religious texts. If you believe there was such a thing or, even could have been a "polite society" without it, you're sadly mistaken. Our society has gotten to where we are with the help of religion.
You've evidently never read the Bible before, each of those commandments are set within the stories of the bible. No one is even talking about a man in the sky, apart from the lot that need to try and speak down on religion.
You should go and ask the homeless who feeds them, clothes them, puts them in shelter when the rest of society has forgotten about them. The church gets nothing in return for this, nor helping the aged.
He he , go on list the magic ten , pretty please you do it else I shall and illustrate how inaccurate and misinformed your post was xxx
Have you ever heard of the dead sea scrolls?
It precedes your idea of 'polite society' by thousands of years...
You shall have no other Gods but me.
You shall not make for yourself any idol, nor bow down to it or worship it.
You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God.
You shall remember and keep the Sabbath day holy.
Respect your father and mother.
You must not commit murder.
You must not commit adultery.
You must not steal.
You must not give false evidence against your neighbour.
You must not be envious of your neighbour's goods. You shall not be envious of his house nor his wife, nor anything that belongs to your neighbour.
There you go, essentially everything that makes society habitable. Also, faith in a being higher than humanity, is essentially a belief in oneself, as it's YOUR God; in essence, no one can bring one down that has no faith in humanity in the first place. (Which is essentially the entire purpose in Jesus)
Good day.
And genuinely, some people believe this was the word of an actual god! No..honestly, grown people !!
No, as I have already mentioned to you 500 times, everyone is aware that it was written by a mans hand.
Why do you keep replying when you clearly haven't got a clue about the topic nor, do you wish to understand anything from a Christian's perspective."Written by man but is the word of god! That’s exactly what Christians believe. It’s what Muslims believe as dictated by god to them! What don’t you understand? The bible IS god’s word according to the pope, Quran worship in their case....etc. Are you trying to say it’s written by man to control...well der of course it was!!! It’s bolocks written by men BUT people believe it’s god’s word. | |||
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"Celebrations of the divine or symbols of oppression? Their symbolism i can't abide but i have to admit an admiration for their architecture. Look at the global sense of loss over Notre Dame... I feel that loss and yet I have no religion. I don't tbh, even though I think building itself was magnificent, there is still the price which been payed to put it up, and everyone forgets that And the money raised to fix it but can’t raise money for starving babies " People are free to raise money for whatever they like If you're concerned about starving babies, consider giving to a religious charity like Christian Aid (unless your hatred for all things religious prohibits you from doing so of course ) | |||
"Celebrations of the divine or symbols of oppression? Their symbolism i can't abide but i have to admit an admiration for their architecture. Look at the global sense of loss over Notre Dame... I feel that loss and yet I have no religion. I don't tbh, even though I think building itself was magnificent, there is still the price which been payed to put it up, and everyone forgets that And the money raised to fix it but can’t raise money for starving babies People are free to raise money for whatever they like If you're concerned about starving babies, consider giving to a religious charity like Christian Aid (unless your hatred for all things religious prohibits you from doing so of course )"You do know there are secular charities I guess? Or does you bigotry not allow this knowledge? And they do it without throwing bibles at people and saying god helped them | |||
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"Celebrations of the divine or symbols of oppression? Their symbolism i can't abide but i have to admit an admiration for their architecture. Look at the global sense of loss over Notre Dame... I feel that loss and yet I have no religion. I don't tbh, even though I think building itself was magnificent, there is still the price which been payed to put it up, and everyone forgets that And the money raised to fix it but can’t raise money for starving babies People are free to raise money for whatever they like If you're concerned about starving babies, consider giving to a religious charity like Christian Aid (unless your hatred for all things religious prohibits you from doing so of course )
You do know there are secular charities I guess? Or does you bigotry not allow this knowledge? And they do it without throwing bibles at people and saying god helped them "Of course. I'm suggesting you give to a religious one instead. You mind be surprised to find that they also don't throw bibles at people And I'm the bigot here? | |||
"Celebrations of the divine or symbols of oppression? Their symbolism i can't abide but i have to admit an admiration for their architecture. Look at the global sense of loss over Notre Dame... I feel that loss and yet I have no religion. I don't tbh, even though I think building itself was magnificent, there is still the price which been payed to put it up, and everyone forgets that And the money raised to fix it but can’t raise money for starving babies People are free to raise money for whatever they like If you're concerned about starving babies, consider giving to a religious charity like Christian Aid (unless your hatred for all things religious prohibits you from doing so of course )
You do know there are secular charities I guess? Or does you bigotry not allow this knowledge? And they do it without throwing bibles at people and saying god helped them
Of course. I'm suggesting you give to a religious one instead. You mind be surprised to find that they also don't throw bibles at people
And I'm the bigot here? "Why would I give to a Christian one when I can give to Doctors Without Borders? You know, free thinking, mon Agenda driven. No doubt charities from religious backgrounds do good BUT you don’t need them to do good. | |||
"Celebrations of the divine or symbols of oppression? Their symbolism i can't abide but i have to admit an admiration for their architecture. Look at the global sense of loss over Notre Dame... I feel that loss and yet I have no religion. I don't tbh, even though I think building itself was magnificent, there is still the price which been payed to put it up, and everyone forgets that And the money raised to fix it but can’t raise money for starving babies " Blame the rich for that, not the church. Also to the post above, there is no genital mutilation within the Catholic Church. There is no hiding of paedo's either, they can't exactly prove nor disprove, nor police EVERY person within the Church. They do however make it as difficult to become a priest as a doctor, which I'm sure has more predators in the profession; you just hear about more priests, as it's rarer. The division is more a people thing than a church thing. It's also not "control" if you willingly abide by the rules and wish to live your life in such a way. If you look deep enough, you shall find that it actually helped science progress. If you disbelieve this, read Francis Bacon's advancement of learning. You do realize also that, psychology is entirely imitated from the Catholic church. | |||
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"Celebrations of the divine or symbols of oppression? Their symbolism i can't abide but i have to admit an admiration for their architecture. Look at the global sense of loss over Notre Dame... I feel that loss and yet I have no religion. I don't tbh, even though I think building itself was magnificent, there is still the price which been payed to put it up, and everyone forgets that And the money raised to fix it but can’t raise money for starving babies People are free to raise money for whatever they like If you're concerned about starving babies, consider giving to a religious charity like Christian Aid (unless your hatred for all things religious prohibits you from doing so of course )
You do know there are secular charities I guess? Or does you bigotry not allow this knowledge? And they do it without throwing bibles at people and saying god helped them
Of course. I'm suggesting you give to a religious one instead. You mind be surprised to find that they also don't throw bibles at people
And I'm the bigot here?
Why would I give to a Christian one when I can give to Doctors Without Borders? You know, free thinking, mon Agenda driven. No doubt charities from religious backgrounds do good BUT you don’t need them to do good. "Failing to see your point. Their agenda is to end poverty. I'm suggesting that you get involved in a Christian charity so you can discover that they're not all a bunch of agenda driven, closed minded idiots (like you seem to believe) | |||
"Celebrations of the divine or symbols of oppression? Their symbolism i can't abide but i have to admit an admiration for their architecture. Look at the global sense of loss over Notre Dame... I feel that loss and yet I have no religion. I don't tbh, even though I think building itself was magnificent, there is still the price which been payed to put it up, and everyone forgets that And the money raised to fix it but can’t raise money for starving babies Blame the rich for that, not the church. Also to the post above, there is no genital mutilation within the Catholic Church. There is no hiding of paedo's either, they can't exactly prove nor disprove, nor police EVERY person within the Church. They do however make it as difficult to become a priest as a doctor, which I'm sure has more predators in the profession; you just hear about more priests, as it's rarer. The division is more a people thing than a church thing. It's also not "control" if you willingly abide by the rules and wish to live your life in such a way. If you look deep enough, you shall find that it actually helped science progress. If you disbelieve this, read Francis Bacon's advancement of learning. You do realize also that, psychology is entirely imitated from the Catholic church. "Where to start...gm from other religious group. Was not being specific. However, catholic countries DO carry it out on girls in Africa!! Proven pedophiles moved priests around from one church to another and covered up in Ireland and Australia and within Vatican itself. All facts. More rare than doctors? 10, 000 cases plus!! Wow man. Yes some excellent scientific breakthroughs from religious people but many many more stifled progress. And the discoveries were separate from their religious beliefs. Knowing today what we know, I doubt they would be of faith today. | |||
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"Celebrations of the divine or symbols of oppression? Their symbolism i can't abide but i have to admit an admiration for their architecture. Look at the global sense of loss over Notre Dame... I feel that loss and yet I have no religion. I don't tbh, even though I think building itself was magnificent, there is still the price which been payed to put it up, and everyone forgets that And the money raised to fix it but can’t raise money for starving babies People are free to raise money for whatever they like If you're concerned about starving babies, consider giving to a religious charity like Christian Aid (unless your hatred for all things religious prohibits you from doing so of course )
You do know there are secular charities I guess? Or does you bigotry not allow this knowledge? And they do it without throwing bibles at people and saying god helped them
Of course. I'm suggesting you give to a religious one instead. You mind be surprised to find that they also don't throw bibles at people
And I'm the bigot here?
Why would I give to a Christian one when I can give to Doctors Without Borders? You know, free thinking, mon Agenda driven. No doubt charities from religious backgrounds do good BUT you don’t need them to do good.
Failing to see your point. Their agenda is to end poverty. I'm suggesting that you get involved in a Christian charity so you can discover that they're not all a bunch of agenda driven, closed minded idiots (like you seem to believe)"Their hidden agenda is god is helping and, for example, when they give good to homeless, they make them pray for their “gifts”. Just give em the Feckin food!!! And the fact they still believe in a deity makes them closed minded. Can’t be open minded and believe in a god. Open minded and intellectually honest would be to, by default, not believe in anything without evidence | |||
"I’ve lost count of the times we have had meets and fun outside Gloucester Cathedral . We used to have loads of pics on here too ! What an amazing building it is . Churches have been a place of peace for millions of people over the years , so I have no problem with them . Religion and belief are still very important to so many people around the world . Not everyone is as cynical as most are on this thread , and I certainly have some sort of belief , even if it isn’t easily defined . " Mixing cynical with skepticism there I’m afraid. And if one needs a god or a religion for a purpose, they need to open their minds to science | |||
"To the other comment from the same above poster. I have answered all of your questions multiple times with accurate and succinct answers. You keep misunderstanding the points in which I have made. I am done, you can't have discourse, you blame others of "bigotry" yet are definitive definition of the word. God Bless "No answers given. | |||
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"Celebrations of the divine or symbols of oppression? Their symbolism i can't abide but i have to admit an admiration for their architecture. Look at the global sense of loss over Notre Dame... I feel that loss and yet I have no religion. I don't tbh, even though I think building itself was magnificent, there is still the price which been payed to put it up, and everyone forgets that And the money raised to fix it but can’t raise money for starving babies Blame the rich for that, not the church. Also to the post above, there is no genital mutilation within the Catholic Church. There is no hiding of paedo's either, they can't exactly prove nor disprove, nor police EVERY person within the Church. They do however make it as difficult to become a priest as a doctor, which I'm sure has more predators in the profession; you just hear about more priests, as it's rarer. The division is more a people thing than a church thing. It's also not "control" if you willingly abide by the rules and wish to live your life in such a way. If you look deep enough, you shall find that it actually helped science progress. If you disbelieve this, read Francis Bacon's advancement of learning. You do realize also that, psychology is entirely imitated from the Catholic church. "TODAY it has been announced that the RC diocese of Birmingham covered up nearly 300 cases of child abuse over the last 20 years, The current head of the RC Church in England, Bishop of Brum at the time, was implicated - see tomorrow's papers! The church helped science progress? Tell that to the marines! In the 1300s ROGER Bacon was imprisoned by the church for 7 years for carrying out scientific investigations. Galileo was excommunicated in the 1600s for saying the Earth went around the Sun rather that the RC teaching of vice-versa. The RC church admitted it was wrong and forgave Gailieo when? In 1997, absolutely true! In the 1600s FRANCIS Bacon was an anglican but not connected with the church in any other way. The church has stood against almost every scientific investigations throughout history, preferring people to live in ignorance and poverty and not ask questions. The first people to translate the bible into English were burnt at the stake. What a lovely organisation! | |||
"Celebrations of the divine or symbols of oppression? Their symbolism i can't abide but i have to admit an admiration for their architecture. Look at the global sense of loss over Notre Dame... I feel that loss and yet I have no religion. I don't tbh, even though I think building itself was magnificent, there is still the price which been payed to put it up, and everyone forgets that And the money raised to fix it but can’t raise money for starving babies Blame the rich for that, not the church. Also to the post above, there is no genital mutilation within the Catholic Church. There is no hiding of paedo's either, they can't exactly prove nor disprove, nor police EVERY person within the Church. They do however make it as difficult to become a priest as a doctor, which I'm sure has more predators in the profession; you just hear about more priests, as it's rarer. The division is more a people thing than a church thing. It's also not "control" if you willingly abide by the rules and wish to live your life in such a way. If you look deep enough, you shall find that it actually helped science progress. If you disbelieve this, read Francis Bacon's advancement of learning. You do realize also that, psychology is entirely imitated from the Catholic church.
TODAY it has been announced that the RC diocese of Birmingham covered up nearly 300 cases of child abuse over the last 20 years, The current head of the RC Church in England, Bishop of Brum at the time, was implicated - see tomorrow's papers!
The church helped science progress? Tell that to the marines! In the 1300s ROGER Bacon was imprisoned by the church for 7 years for carrying out scientific investigations. Galileo was excommunicated in the 1600s for saying the Earth went around the Sun rather that the RC teaching of vice-versa. The RC church admitted it was wrong and forgave Gailieo when? In 1997, absolutely true! In the 1600s FRANCIS Bacon was an anglican but not connected with the church in any other way. The church has stood against almost every scientific investigations throughout history, preferring people to live in ignorance and poverty and not ask questions. The first people to translate the bible into English were burnt at the stake. What a lovely organisation! "Ignorance is bliss I guess. There’s non so blind as thought that will not see. Trouble with Christians, cherry pick need, cherry pick the bible. Rest is “mysterious” ways. And won’t debate or answer simple questions. | |||
"Churches? The biggest money-making scam in the history of the universe. Yes the architecture is often impressive but it was paid for by tithes, grants from nobles who robbed the poor and other dubious sources. The cross WASN'T the original xtain symbol, that was the two greek letters chi and rho, first letters of 'christos' as they call their god. In some churches you can see obviously Pagan symbols, carved by masons who probably secretly followed the old ways. "Green Men" are quite common, usually on the North walls as that was the old sacred direction. A few have "Sheela na gigs' or females holding their cunts open - very xtain! There's a great one on the outside North wall of St Lawrence church in Church Stretton, if you live nearby." The New Testament is Greek. It's not a secret. | |||
"Celebrations of the divine or symbols of oppression? Their symbolism i can't abide but i have to admit an admiration for their architecture. Look at the global sense of loss over Notre Dame... I feel that loss and yet I have no religion. I don't tbh, even though I think building itself was magnificent, there is still the price which been payed to put it up, and everyone forgets that And the money raised to fix it but can’t raise money for starving babies People are free to raise money for whatever they like If you're concerned about starving babies, consider giving to a religious charity like Christian Aid (unless your hatred for all things religious prohibits you from doing so of course )
You do know there are secular charities I guess? Or does you bigotry not allow this knowledge? And they do it without throwing bibles at people and saying god helped them
Of course. I'm suggesting you give to a religious one instead. You mind be surprised to find that they also don't throw bibles at people
And I'm the bigot here?
Why would I give to a Christian one when I can give to Doctors Without Borders? You know, free thinking, mon Agenda driven. No doubt charities from religious backgrounds do good BUT you don’t need them to do good.
Failing to see your point. Their agenda is to end poverty. I'm suggesting that you get involved in a Christian charity so you can discover that they're not all a bunch of agenda driven, closed minded idiots (like you seem to believe)
Their hidden agenda is god is helping and, for example, when they give good to homeless, they make them pray for their “gifts”. Just give em the Feckin food!!!
And the fact they still believe in a deity makes them closed minded. Can’t be open minded and believe in a god. Open minded and intellectually honest would be to, by default, not believe in anything without evidence ""Can't be open minded and believe in a god" Possibly the most close minded comment I've ever read | |||
"Celebrations of the divine or symbols of oppression? Their symbolism i can't abide but i have to admit an admiration for their architecture. Look at the global sense of loss over Notre Dame... I feel that loss and yet I have no religion. I don't tbh, even though I think building itself was magnificent, there is still the price which been payed to put it up, and everyone forgets that And the money raised to fix it but can’t raise money for starving babies People are free to raise money for whatever they like If you're concerned about starving babies, consider giving to a religious charity like Christian Aid (unless your hatred for all things religious prohibits you from doing so of course )
You do know there are secular charities I guess? Or does you bigotry not allow this knowledge? And they do it without throwing bibles at people and saying god helped them
Of course. I'm suggesting you give to a religious one instead. You mind be surprised to find that they also don't throw bibles at people
And I'm the bigot here?
Why would I give to a Christian one when I can give to Doctors Without Borders? You know, free thinking, mon Agenda driven. No doubt charities from religious backgrounds do good BUT you don’t need them to do good.
Failing to see your point. Their agenda is to end poverty. I'm suggesting that you get involved in a Christian charity so you can discover that they're not all a bunch of agenda driven, closed minded idiots (like you seem to believe)
Their hidden agenda is god is helping and, for example, when they give good to homeless, they make them pray for their “gifts”. Just give em the Feckin food!!!
And the fact they still believe in a deity makes them closed minded. Can’t be open minded and believe in a god. Open minded and intellectually honest would be to, by default, not believe in anything without evidence
"Can't be open minded and believe in a god"
Possibly the most close minded comment I've ever read "How can you be open minded and believe in a god?? You can leave your options open as can’t prove god doesn’t exist but to actually believe in a god? Believe in Bigfoot make you open minded? Lock ness monster? No...it makes you gullible and believing without evidence. Belief in a deity is saying he exists without prove and that is not open minded. It’s blinkered nonsense | |||
"Churches? The biggest money-making scam in the history of the universe. Yes the architecture is often impressive but it was paid for by tithes, grants from nobles who robbed the poor and other dubious sources. The cross WASN'T the original xtain symbol, that was the two greek letters chi and rho, first letters of 'christos' as they call their god. In some churches you can see obviously Pagan symbols, carved by masons who probably secretly followed the old ways. "Green Men" are quite common, usually on the North walls as that was the old sacred direction. A few have "Sheela na gigs' or females holding their cunts open - very xtain! There's a great one on the outside North wall of St Lawrence church in Church Stretton, if you live nearby. The New Testament is Greek. It's not a secret." Koine Greek. With Aramaic and others thrown in. Still written over 100s of years by people not even around when the supposed son of god was knocking about | |||
"Celebrations of the divine or symbols of oppression? Their symbolism i can't abide but i have to admit an admiration for their architecture. Look at the global sense of loss over Notre Dame... I feel that loss and yet I have no religion. I don't tbh, even though I think building itself was magnificent, there is still the price which been payed to put it up, and everyone forgets that And the money raised to fix it but can’t raise money for starving babies Blame the rich for that, not the church. Also to the post above, there is no genital mutilation within the Catholic Church. There is no hiding of paedo's either, they can't exactly prove nor disprove, nor police EVERY person within the Church. They do however make it as difficult to become a priest as a doctor, which I'm sure has more predators in the profession; you just hear about more priests, as it's rarer. The division is more a people thing than a church thing. It's also not "control" if you willingly abide by the rules and wish to live your life in such a way. If you look deep enough, you shall find that it actually helped science progress. If you disbelieve this, read Francis Bacon's advancement of learning. You do realize also that, psychology is entirely imitated from the Catholic church.
Where to start...gm from other religious group. Was not being specific. However, catholic countries DO carry it out on girls in Africa!!
Proven pedophiles moved priests around from one church to another and covered up in Ireland and Australia and within Vatican itself. All facts."Correct | |||
"Celebrations of the divine or symbols of oppression? Their symbolism i can't abide but i have to admit an admiration for their architecture. Look at the global sense of loss over Notre Dame... I feel that loss and yet I have no religion. I don't tbh, even though I think building itself was magnificent, there is still the price which been payed to put it up, and everyone forgets that And the money raised to fix it but can’t raise money for starving babies People are free to raise money for whatever they like If you're concerned about starving babies, consider giving to a religious charity like Christian Aid (unless your hatred for all things religious prohibits you from doing so of course )
You do know there are secular charities I guess? Or does you bigotry not allow this knowledge? And they do it without throwing bibles at people and saying god helped them
Of course. I'm suggesting you give to a religious one instead. You mind be surprised to find that they also don't throw bibles at people
And I'm the bigot here?
Why would I give to a Christian one when I can give to Doctors Without Borders? You know, free thinking, mon Agenda driven. No doubt charities from religious backgrounds do good BUT you don’t need them to do good.
Failing to see your point. Their agenda is to end poverty. I'm suggesting that you get involved in a Christian charity so you can discover that they're not all a bunch of agenda driven, closed minded idiots (like you seem to believe)
Their hidden agenda is god is helping and, for example, when they give good to homeless, they make them pray for their “gifts”. Just give em the Feckin food!!!
And the fact they still believe in a deity makes them closed minded. Can’t be open minded and believe in a god. Open minded and intellectually honest would be to, by default, not believe in anything without evidence
"Can't be open minded and believe in a god"
Possibly the most close minded comment I've ever read
How can you be open minded and believe in a god?? You can leave your options open as can’t prove god doesn’t exist but to actually believe in a god? Believe in Bigfoot make you open minded? Lock ness monster? No...it makes you gullible and believing without evidence. Belief in a deity is saying he exists without prove and that is not open minded. It’s blinkered nonsense "It's not that being religious makes you open minded - it's that being religious doesn't automatically make you close minded. The same say being non-religious doesn't automatically make you open minded | |||
"I'm now more curious to know if anyone has gotten up to any naughtiness inside a church " Without going into details let’s just say I secured the Vicar’s son and my one way ticket to hell... | |||
"Celebrations of the divine or symbols of oppression? Their symbolism i can't abide but i have to admit an admiration for their architecture. Look at the global sense of loss over Notre Dame... I feel that loss and yet I have no religion. I don't tbh, even though I think building itself was magnificent, there is still the price which been payed to put it up, and everyone forgets that And the money raised to fix it but can’t raise money for starving babies People are free to raise money for whatever they like If you're concerned about starving babies, consider giving to a religious charity like Christian Aid (unless your hatred for all things religious prohibits you from doing so of course )
You do know there are secular charities I guess? Or does you bigotry not allow this knowledge? And they do it without throwing bibles at people and saying god helped them
Of course. I'm suggesting you give to a religious one instead. You mind be surprised to find that they also don't throw bibles at people
And I'm the bigot here?
Why would I give to a Christian one when I can give to Doctors Without Borders? You know, free thinking, mon Agenda driven. No doubt charities from religious backgrounds do good BUT you don’t need them to do good.
Failing to see your point. Their agenda is to end poverty. I'm suggesting that you get involved in a Christian charity so you can discover that they're not all a bunch of agenda driven, closed minded idiots (like you seem to believe)
Their hidden agenda is god is helping and, for example, when they give good to homeless, they make them pray for their “gifts”. Just give em the Feckin food!!!
And the fact they still believe in a deity makes them closed minded. Can’t be open minded and believe in a god. Open minded and intellectually honest would be to, by default, not believe in anything without evidence
"Can't be open minded and believe in a god"
Possibly the most close minded comment I've ever read
How can you be open minded and believe in a god?? You can leave your options open as can’t prove god doesn’t exist but to actually believe in a god? Believe in Bigfoot make you open minded? Lock ness monster? No...it makes you gullible and believing without evidence. Belief in a deity is saying he exists without prove and that is not open minded. It’s blinkered nonsense
It's not that being religious makes you open minded - it's that being religious doesn't automatically make you close minded. The same say being non-religious doesn't automatically make you open minded"It shows one is willing to believe anything without evidence. That’s not open minded, that’s gullibility | |||
"Celebrations of the divine or symbols of oppression? Their symbolism i can't abide but i have to admit an admiration for their architecture. Look at the global sense of loss over Notre Dame... I feel that loss and yet I have no religion. I don't tbh, even though I think building itself was magnificent, there is still the price which been payed to put it up, and everyone forgets that And the money raised to fix it but can’t raise money for starving babies " Fair point | |||
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