"Why are so many people selling Juice Plus, Arbonne and Huel etc ..why are ppl falling for these schemes "
People are selling juice plus because people are buying it.
People are buying juice plus because they're getting a benefit from drinking it.
That's pretty much it really.
As for the others, never heard of them.
I shall Google......
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Ahh, welcome to the 'wonderful' world of nutritionism.
People buying it has a lot less to do with real, testable benefits and a lot more to do with being manipulated by others with a basic understanding of human psychology. Of course,the desire to be sold to plays a big part in that.
A lot of people want quick fixes,magic pills,simple answers.
I suggest Ben Goldacre's book "Bad Science" for a great primer on this,and more.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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As a flight attendant, it’s really hard to stick to a healthy eating regime sometimes. Food is not always readily available. I did clean eating ‘paleo’ for 2 years but it was hard when staying in hotels all the time in some countries. |
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over a year ago
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"I know loads of people that I work with that do juice plus. It works for them when working away with the job we do.
Quite a few leading sports people drink juice plus."
They have that with balanced meals. |
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"I know loads of people that I work with that do juice plus. It works for them when working away with the job we do.
Quite a few leading sports people drink juice plus.
They have that with balanced meals. "
That they do.
We're not designed to only digest liquid.
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Yes.
Unfortunately leading sports people are not experts in diet. They're as prone to wanting to believe in quick fixes and magic potions and outright quackery (witness the number of pro athletes who wear Q Link wristbands. Oh dear.) as everyone else. Perhaps more so,given the desire and need for any competitive advantage,at that level.
Dietitians are experts. (Not nutritionists: the amount of knowledge/qualification required to call yourself a nutritionist is a mathematical zero. None At All.)
Professors of exercise nutrition are.
People with scientifically-credible qualifications in exercise physiology and nutrition are.
Just a few examples.
Paleo,I'm afraid,is an example of one that is scientifically unsound. Even unhealthy,longer term. Oh I know some will claim otherwise but all the anecdotes in the world mean nothing if the evidence doesn't support them. Again,look at the data - that's the measure that counts. Everything else is supposition,subjectivity or outright charlatanism. |
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"Yes.
Unfortunately leading sports people are not experts in diet. They're as prone to wanting to believe in quick fixes and magic potions and outright quackery (witness the number of pro athletes who wear Q Link wristbands. Oh dear.) as everyone else. Perhaps more so,given the desire and need for any competitive advantage,at that level.
Dietitians are experts. (Not nutritionists: the amount of knowledge/qualification required to call yourself a nutritionist is a mathematical zero. None At All.)
Professors of exercise nutrition are.
People with scientifically-credible qualifications in exercise physiology and nutrition are.
Just a few examples.
Paleo,I'm afraid,is an example of one that is scientifically unsound. Even unhealthy,longer term. Oh I know some will claim otherwise but all the anecdotes in the world mean nothing if the evidence doesn't support them. Again,look at the data - that's the measure that counts. Everything else is supposition,subjectivity or outright charlatanism."
I was the healthiest I’d ever been when I followed paleo. No processed food, no sugar, wheat or dairy. Just meat, fish, veggies, fruits, nuts and oils. Can’t see why that would be unhealthy. It was all organic. |
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"Yes.
Unfortunately leading sports people are not experts in diet. They're as prone to wanting to believe in quick fixes and magic potions and outright quackery (witness the number of pro athletes who wear Q Link wristbands. Oh dear.) as everyone else. Perhaps more so,given the desire and need for any competitive advantage,at that level.
Dietitians are experts. (Not nutritionists: the amount of knowledge/qualification required to call yourself a nutritionist is a mathematical zero. None At All.)
Professors of exercise nutrition are.
People with scientifically-credible qualifications in exercise physiology and nutrition are.
Just a few examples.
Paleo,I'm afraid,is an example of one that is scientifically unsound. Even unhealthy,longer term. Oh I know some will claim otherwise but all the anecdotes in the world mean nothing if the evidence doesn't support them. Again,look at the data - that's the measure that counts. Everything else is supposition,subjectivity or outright charlatanism."
Guess who leading sportsmen employ to look after their health.
Dietitians and Professors of exercise nutrition. |
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"Yes.
Unfortunately leading sports people are not experts in diet. They're as prone to wanting to believe in quick fixes and magic potions and outright quackery (witness the number of pro athletes who wear Q Link wristbands. Oh dear.) as everyone else. Perhaps more so,given the desire and need for any competitive advantage,at that level.
Dietitians are experts. (Not nutritionists: the amount of knowledge/qualification required to call yourself a nutritionist is a mathematical zero. None At All.)
Professors of exercise nutrition are.
People with scientifically-credible qualifications in exercise physiology and nutrition are.
Just a few examples.
Paleo,I'm afraid,is an example of one that is scientifically unsound. Even unhealthy,longer term. Oh I know some will claim otherwise but all the anecdotes in the world mean nothing if the evidence doesn't support them. Again,look at the data - that's the measure that counts. Everything else is supposition,subjectivity or outright charlatanism.
Guess who leading sportsmen employ to look after their health.
Dietitians and Professors of exercise nutrition."
Yes,they frequently do. More so, recently. However in the not-at-all distant past (and tis might still be the case in some instances) coaches unqualified in these specific areas often made decisions as to their athlete's diet. And some of these choices were... unsound.
Also,just because there IS a qualified person managing their diet,it doesn't mean that the athlete is not making personal decisions too. Sometimes prompted by sponsorship deals, sometimes because they will simply try anything to get an advantage.
And, the reason those athletes employ (or are under the supervision of,in the case of a lot of state-sponsored athletics programs (Team GB,for example)) these experts is precisely because they are (in the cast majority of cases) NOT experts themselves - they can't be,they haven't the time. Simply being under the care of an expert does not make you one yourself. |
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I was the healthiest I’d ever been when I followed paleo. No processed food, no sugar, wheat or dairy. Just meat, fish, veggies, fruits, nuts and oils. Can’t see why that would be unhealthy. It was all organic. "
And I'm happy to come back to the points you raise here, absolutely : this is an important conversation to be had because there's so much misinformation, marketing and plain ignorance in this sector,yet it has real world effects not just on people's finances but on their health including their psychological well-being. However I WILL have to come back at another time,I'm afraid,since my job requires me to be awake again in 5 hours. Which is just plain antisocial!
Meantime...big secret: Dairy isn't evil. Quite the contrary. |
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I was the healthiest I’d ever been when I followed paleo. No processed food, no sugar, wheat or dairy. Just meat, fish, veggies, fruits, nuts and oils. Can’t see why that would be unhealthy. It was all organic.
And I'm happy to come back to the points you raise here, absolutely : this is an important conversation to be had because there's so much misinformation, marketing and plain ignorance in this sector,yet it has real world effects not just on people's finances but on their health including their psychological well-being. However I WILL have to come back at another time,I'm afraid,since my job requires me to be awake again in 5 hours. Which is just plain antisocial!
Meantime...big secret: Dairy isn't evil. Quite the contrary. "
I have an intolerance. |
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Meantime...big secret: Dairy isn't evil. Quite the contrary.
I have an intolerance. "
That's unfortunate.
Mine was a general observation,not one aimed at your abstinence.  |
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I don't know about the other two but Juice Plus is one of those pyramid schemes, I've seen a few of my Facebook friends become salespeople for it and they were a carbon copy of each other. First off they start posting about this exciting new business they've started, then they start posting about how amazing Juice Plus is and trying to get all their friends to buy it from them, then they start telling you about all the riches you could make and free time working from home you could have by selling it just like they are if you buy a start up business pack for like £300. In reality they've got a load of it at home that they can't sell and half of their friends have deleted them because of their religious cult style posts about it (which the Juice Plus company tells them to post).
Same applies to that Forever Living Aloe Vera stuff as well, don't fall for it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Yes.
Unfortunately leading sports people are not experts in diet. They're as prone to wanting to believe in quick fixes and magic potions and outright quackery (witness the number of pro athletes who wear Q Link wristbands. Oh dear.) as everyone else. Perhaps more so,given the desire and need for any competitive advantage,at that level.
Dietitians are experts. (Not nutritionists: the amount of knowledge/qualification required to call yourself a nutritionist is a mathematical zero. None At All.)
Professors of exercise nutrition are.
People with scientifically-credible qualifications in exercise physiology and nutrition are.
Just a few examples.
Paleo,I'm afraid,is an example of one that is scientifically unsound. Even unhealthy,longer term. Oh I know some will claim otherwise but all the anecdotes in the world mean nothing if the evidence doesn't support them. Again,look at the data - that's the measure that counts. Everything else is supposition,subjectivity or 0outright charlatanism."
It's the other way around ... to be a nutritionist you need a degree to be a dietition you don't but a nutritionist has to register with the Commission on Dietetic Registration (CDR) to practice ... confusing or what!!! |
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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago
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No idea. They are rubbish and can't be good for you. One girl I used to work with didn't believe slimming world woukd work. She did juice plus for a week, I did slimming world. She lost 1 pound by effectively starving herself, I lost 7 pounds by eating what I wanted sensibly. She couldn't understand this at all. Guess who had the happier experience? |
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"No idea. They are rubbish and can't be good for you. One girl I used to work with didn't believe slimming world woukd work. She did juice plus for a week, I did slimming world. She lost 1 pound by effectively starving herself, I lost 7 pounds by eating what I wanted sensibly. She couldn't understand this at all. Guess who had the happier experience? "
Didn't think juice plus was about dieting though more about health cheating  |
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"As a flight attendant, it’s really hard to stick to a healthy eating regime sometimes. Food is not always readily available. I did clean eating ‘paleo’ for 2 years but it was hard when staying in hotels all the time in some countries. "
I'm afraid to say that the so called "paleo" diet is nonsense anyway. We have been enjoying carbs for over 100,000 years. In fact you are are better off with Atkins or keto diets, which at least have some scientific basis. |
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"As a flight attendant, it’s really hard to stick to a healthy eating regime sometimes. Food is not always readily available. I did clean eating ‘paleo’ for 2 years but it was hard when staying in hotels all the time in some countries.
I'm afraid to say that the so called "paleo" diet is nonsense anyway. We have been enjoying carbs for over 100,000 years. In fact you are are better off with Atkins or keto diets, which at least have some scientific basis."
And are both horrific for your kidneys lol ... |
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"I don't know about the other two but Juice Plus is one of those pyramid schemes, I've seen a few of my Facebook friends become salespeople for it and they were a carbon copy of each other. First off they start posting about this exciting new business they've started, then they start posting about how amazing Juice Plus is and trying to get all their friends to buy it from them, then they start telling you about all the riches you could make and free time working from home you could have by selling it just like they are if you buy a start up business pack for like £300. In reality they've got a load of it at home that they can't sell and half of their friends have deleted them because of their religious cult style posts about it (which the Juice Plus company tells them to post).
Same applies to that Forever Living Aloe Vera stuff as well, don't fall for it."
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"As a flight attendant, it’s really hard to stick to a healthy eating regime sometimes. Food is not always readily available. I did clean eating ‘paleo’ for 2 years but it was hard when staying in hotels all the time in some countries.
I'm afraid to say that the so called "paleo" diet is nonsense anyway. We have been enjoying carbs for over 100,000 years. In fact you are are better off with Atkins or keto diets, which at least have some scientific basis."
I do eat carbs. It’s in the fruit and veg I eat and makes up about 30% of my daily intake. Pasta, bread and rice are just fillers and I eat potatoes if I want that but more nutritional. How can eating clean food be bad for you. It’s fresh food and not processed. |
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By *stellaWoman
over a year ago
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"I don't know about the other two but Juice Plus is one of those pyramid schemes, I've seen a few of my Facebook friends become salespeople for it and they were a carbon copy of each other. First off they start posting about this exciting new business they've started, then they start posting about how amazing Juice Plus is and trying to get all their friends to buy it from them, then they start telling you about all the riches you could make and free time working from home you could have by selling it just like they are if you buy a start up business pack for like £300. In reality they've got a load of it at home that they can't sell and half of their friends have deleted them because of their religious cult style posts about it (which the Juice Plus company tells them to post).
Same applies to that Forever Living Aloe Vera stuff as well, don't fall for it."
That’s interesting and I don’t doubt is probably the case. Should I be upset that I bought direct from the company and that no one has asked me to try and sell it then? I’m confused. Why am I not good enough to sell it? |
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I was the healthiest I’d ever been when I followed paleo. No processed food, no sugar, wheat or dairy. Just meat, fish, veggies, fruits, nuts and oils. Can’t see why that would be unhealthy. It was all organic.
And I'm happy to come back to the points you raise here, absolutely : this is an important conversation to be had because there's so much misinformation, marketing and plain ignorance in this sector,yet it has real world effects not just on people's finances but on their health including their psychological well-being. However I WILL have to come back at another time,I'm afraid,since my job requires me to be awake again in 5 hours. Which is just plain antisocial!
Meantime...big secret: Dairy isn't evil. Quite the contrary.
I have an intolerance. "
So do I.   |
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"Good juice plus everyone
Stop it you!
Good stop it you naughty Lola
You are putting Shag out of a job.  "
Yes I'll stop now ! I'll miss him if he wasn't on here |
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