Basically unaffordable with not much of a "used" market. After all no one wants one with a knackered battery. So are they just a cunning way of keeping basically everyone in debt through hire purchase agreements? They'll be no more buying a car for a grand and running it for a couple of years. Just continual 2 - 400 quid a month payments on cars we'll never own. After all, a population in debt is a population controlled. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
 |
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Basically unaffordable with not much of a "used" market. After all no one wants one with a knackered battery. So are they just a cunning way of keeping basically everyone in debt through hire purchase agreements? They'll be no more buying a car for a grand and running it for a couple of years. Just continual 2 - 400 quid a month payments on cars we'll never own. After all, a population in debt is a population controlled. "
Having just spent 3 months working for a well known car brand, the future of car ownership is going to be one in which few own cars, and most are used on an Uber basis, with cars seen as a service, rather than a utility as they are now.
We will find that electrification, the installing of electrical ports, will increase hugely over the next 3-5 years and that the cost of electric cars will come down. Brands like Tesla see their cars becoming a network that you dip into when you need it.
At the moment, cars sit idle for about 90% of their lives, and with electrification and autonomy, that will get much much smaller.
Personally, I like the idea of not owning a car, and just having a service that is ready and waiting for me and my needs. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"Basically unaffordable with not much of a "used" market. After all no one wants one with a knackered battery. So are they just a cunning way of keeping basically everyone in debt through hire purchase agreements? They'll be no more buying a car for a grand and running it for a couple of years. Just continual 2 - 400 quid a month payments on cars we'll never own. After all, a population in debt is a population controlled. "
But the gullible will still fall for the hype. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Electric cars seem like a good idea. But surely we need to burn more coal to power them.
Is that not false economy?"
If we invested in renewable energy properly then now, we could have all the clean energy that we need, but the amount of mass infrastucture change that would be needed makes it prohibitive.
Are we past the point of no return with the environment? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
I think in a few years they will have developed a battery with a more sustainable lifespan and the price of replacing one will have reduced significantly. Remember, this is still in its infancy really. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
Eventually they will be good when the battery technology improves and the charging infrastructure catches up. If you buy a hybrid, most of them don’t use electric above 28/29 mph so most of the time you have poor fuel economy on the ICE because you are carrying around extra weight for batteries. The fully electric cars are either crap (nissan leaf) or stupidly expensive (Tesla) the only way I’d have an electric car is if I had a company car and didn’t have to worry about resale value or maintenance etc. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Electric cars seem like a good idea. But surely we need to burn more coal to power them.
Is that not false economy?"
Coal supplied 5.4% of UK electricity in 2018, down from 7% in 2017, 9% in 2016, 23% in 2015 and 30% in 2014 |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"I think in a few years they will have developed a battery with a more sustainable lifespan and the price of replacing one will have reduced significantly. Remember, this is still in its infancy really. "
Tesla plan to have a 1 million mile car in prodcution next year, it's the batery that has been the biggest stumbling block, but they reckon they will be able to guarentee a battery for 1 million miles in the next 6-9 months.
It's pretty crazy |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Eventually they will be good when the battery technology improves and the charging infrastructure catches up. If you buy a hybrid, most of them don’t use electric above 28/29 mph so most of the time you have poor fuel economy on the ICE because you are carrying around extra weight for batteries. The fully electric cars are either crap (nissan leaf) or stupidly expensive (Tesla) the only way I’d have an electric car is if I had a company car and didn’t have to worry about resale value or maintenance etc. "
There will be models from BMW and Tesla next year that are under £30,000, putting them in line, and n some areas cheaper than current models |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
No, I'm living in an age, where at this point we can't make enough sustainable, renewable energy.
It's all a lovely idea.
But unless they solve these issues like yesterday. We will and are still eating up resources, faster than we can replenish them.
The price of these cars is prohibitive to most people that would like to own them.
Believe me, if it were that cheap and easy to be green. I would be right up there. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"I think in a few years they will have developed a battery with a more sustainable lifespan and the price of replacing one will have reduced significantly. Remember, this is still in its infancy really.
Tesla plan to have a 1 million mile car in prodcution next year, it's the batery that has been the biggest stumbling block, but they reckon they will be able to guarentee a battery for 1 million miles in the next 6-9 months.
It's pretty crazy"
Battery longevity is the least of Tesla’s issues. They have a shocking reputation for build quality, fit and finish and customer service. If I was in the market for electric cars I’d be buying a Jaguar I-Pace. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"I think in a few years they will have developed a battery with a more sustainable lifespan and the price of replacing one will have reduced significantly. Remember, this is still in its infancy really.
Tesla plan to have a 1 million mile car in prodcution next year, it's the batery that has been the biggest stumbling block, but they reckon they will be able to guarentee a battery for 1 million miles in the next 6-9 months.
It's pretty crazy
Battery longevity is the least of Tesla’s issues. They have a shocking reputation for build quality, fit and finish and customer service. If I was in the market for electric cars I’d be buying a Jaguar I-Pace. "
Erm customer service and JLR are words that don't go together. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"I think in a few years they will have developed a battery with a more sustainable lifespan and the price of replacing one will have reduced significantly. Remember, this is still in its infancy really.
Tesla plan to have a 1 million mile car in prodcution next year, it's the batery that has been the biggest stumbling block, but they reckon they will be able to guarentee a battery for 1 million miles in the next 6-9 months.
It's pretty crazy"
Tesla are expensive and they sell every car at a loss. As I used to work for them.
Great idea, but hardly a sustainable business plan |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"I think in a few years they will have developed a battery with a more sustainable lifespan and the price of replacing one will have reduced significantly. Remember, this is still in its infancy really.
Tesla plan to have a 1 million mile car in prodcution next year, it's the batery that has been the biggest stumbling block, but they reckon they will be able to guarentee a battery for 1 million miles in the next 6-9 months.
It's pretty crazy
Tesla are expensive and they sell every car at a loss. As I used to work for them.
Great idea, but hardly a sustainable business plan"
Yup, but, Tesla are mile ahead of every other car brand in the electric race, they own the hardware, they own the software and they will own a huge amount of the infrastructure.
They are in the long game business |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"No, I'm living in an age, where at this point we can't make enough sustainable, renewable energy.
It's all a lovely idea.
But unless they solve these issues like yesterday. We will and are still eating up resources, faster than we can replenish them.
The price of these cars is prohibitive to most people that would like to own them.
Believe me, if it were that cheap and easy to be green. I would be right up there."
As I said, all of this stuff is still in its infancy, but there is still new technology being developed as we speak.
Rome wasn't built in a day my friend  |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
Like everything, they'll get cheaper as they get more popular.
Electric cars are nothing new.
I was in Hull transport museum last week, some of the very first cars ran on electricity and/or water.
But where is the money in that? Hence more money was invested in developing petrol cars, as that ties you into perpetual fuel consumption....
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"Electric cars seem like a good idea. But surely we need to burn more coal to power them.
Is that not false economy?
Coal supplied 5.4% of UK electricity in 2018, down from 7% in 2017, 9% in 2016, 23% in 2015 and 30% in 2014
"
A friend of mine has recently bought the Hyundai one (Kona I think?).
But he spent most of last year getting his own solar panels and wind generator in place.
He charges his car for zero cost, and it gives him about a 300 miles range.
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
Give it a few years of electric cars and then some random government funded scientist will say that the batteries cause cancer, or invent some other reason to increase the taxes and charging costs. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"A friend of mine has recently bought the Hyundai one (Kona I think)But he spent most of last year getting his own solar panels and wind generator in place.
He charges his car for zero cost, and it gives him about a 300 miles range.
"
Surely that's the proper definition of a sunroof, but the wind generator would detract from the aerodynamics of the vehicle   |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"A friend of mine has recently bought the Hyundai one (Kona I think)But he spent most of last year getting his own solar panels and wind generator in place.
He charges his car for zero cost, and it gives him about a 300 miles range.
Surely that's the proper definition of a sunroof, but the wind generator would detract from the aerodynamics of the vehicle
"
When it's fully charged you reverse it for extra thrust... |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
Battery cells are cheap to replace we have a bmw i3 and just had cells replaced at 180 each. Only needed 3 but bmw ended up covering the cost for it. We dont do finance just save and replace every 6 year (well she does)
i only drive v8 petrols & have to import from the u.s #chevy |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *osmicRobMan
over a year ago
Chorlton cum Hardy |
Chorlton cum Hardy, Manchester
I love my electric car. In summer I can charge my car using my solar panels so I don't use that much electricity from the grid.
There are plenty of free charging stations around the country.
I appreciate an electric car isn't for everyone, especially when having to commute long distances.
As regards to burning coal, the UK went 2 weeks without burning coal to generate electricity the other month - we are slowly phasing out coal. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"Electric cars seem like a good idea. But surely we need to burn more coal to power them.
Is that not false economy?"
UK just went 18 days without burning coal in any power station - it's on its way out.
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
» Add a new message to this topic
