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over a year ago
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Made a joke that instead of milk shake people might throw battery acid at 'hateful'figures.
I like Brand and think someone like Farage is a cnut, but many support Brand with this quip.
I generally don't like jokes about harming anyone and feel it's seen as acceptable if 'punching up' as it were?
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By *obletonMan
over a year ago
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Jo Brand is very smart and insightful .... but not all that funny in my opinion.
So I'm wondering at the context - is she contrasting the kind of weak cowardly "masculinity" that drives men to disfugure women who have the gall to reject them - with the behaviour of a few wags who will throw a milkshake over Hardon of Aragon or whatever that alt right prick calls himself.
The reaction of horror in the press is about the same over both actions - so maybe they might just as well use battery acid? |
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"Context? "
BBC defends Jo Brand over 'battery acid' joke
The comedian, a guest on BBC Radio 4's Heresy on Tuesday, joked about throwing battery acid at "unpleasant characters" rather than milkshakes.
Brexit Party leader Nigel Farage, who was hit by a milkshake last month, said "the police need to act".
The BBC said the jokes made on Heresy are "deliberately provocative as the title implies".
It added they are "not intended to be taken seriously."
Brand, speaking after Mr Farage and a number of far-right European election candidates were covered in milkshakes during campaign walkabouts in May, said "Why bother with a milkshake when you could get some battery acid?"
The comic then went on to immediately make clear she was joking and criticised the milkshake stunts.
"That's just me. I'm not going to do it," she said. "It's purely a fantasy, but I think milkshakes are pathetic, I honestly do, sorry."
Her follow-up comments were edited out of widely-shared clips on social media.
Mr Farage said the comments amounted to "an incitement to violence".
At the end of show, host Victoria Coren Mitchell said she hoped Brand's remarks had not caused offence, but reiterated that the long-running series had been set up to "test the boundaries of what it's OK to say and not say".
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Just hope nobody throws acid on Jo, Nigel or anyone else. Even milkshake is pathetic tbh. If you disagree with someone then ffs debate them, if your view is valid then it'll carry, OR don't and shuddup. Far too much nonsense nowadays with ppl accusing others of racism (or other isms) and then saying let's harm them - it's dumb and cunty! No doubt it will get some undeserving publicity and help with the great divide....  |
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"Just hope nobody throws acid on Jo, Nigel or anyone else. Even milkshake is pathetic tbh. If you disagree with someone then ffs debate them, if your view is valid then it'll carry, OR don't and shuddup. Far too much nonsense nowadays with ppl accusing others of racism (or other isms) and then saying let's harm them - it's dumb and cunty! No doubt it will get some undeserving publicity and help with the great divide.... "
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"Context?
BBC defends Jo Brand over 'battery acid' joke
The comedian, a guest on BBC Radio 4's Heresy on Tuesday, joked about throwing battery acid at "unpleasant characters" rather than milkshakes.
Brexit Party leader Nigel Farage, who was hit by a milkshake last month, said "the police need to act".
The BBC said the jokes made on Heresy are "deliberately provocative as the title implies".
It added they are "not intended to be taken seriously."
Brand, speaking after Mr Farage and a number of far-right European election candidates were covered in milkshakes during campaign walkabouts in May, said "Why bother with a milkshake when you could get some battery acid?"
The comic then went on to immediately make clear she was joking and criticised the milkshake stunts.
"That's just me. I'm not going to do it," she said. "It's purely a fantasy, but I think milkshakes are pathetic, I honestly do, sorry."
Her follow-up comments were edited out of widely-shared clips on social media.
Mr Farage said the comments amounted to "an incitement to violence".
At the end of show, host Victoria Coren Mitchell said she hoped Brand's remarks had not caused offence, but reiterated that the long-running series had been set up to "test the boundaries of what it's OK to say and not say".
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By *obletonMan
over a year ago
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Brexit Party leader Nigel Farage, who was hit by a milkshake last month, said "the police need to act".
Mr Farage said the comments amounted to "an incitement to violence".
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Pot meet kettle
"But if they don't deliver this Brexit that I spent 25 years of my life working for, then I will be forced to don khaki, pick up a rifle and head for the front lines." [Nigel Farrage May 2017]
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At the end of show, host Victoria Coren Mitchell said she hoped Brand's remarks had not caused offence, but reiterated that the long-running series had been set up to "test the boundaries of what it's OK to say and not say".
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Oh noes! da Beebeesee is all politicawwy cowwect ...... wait what?
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"I don't like her and she's not funny. She's made a career from jokes that are violent and derogatory towards men. "
I do like her and she is funny. She's made a career by being intelligent and having interesting life experiences and working hard to be where she is. Some of her quips are directed at 'those' men who attempt to put her down - she retaliates .... and some of the material gets into her sets.
She's written books and contributed to very many sit coms , panel shows and charity events.
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"I don't like her and she's not funny. She's made a career from jokes that are violent and derogatory towards men.
I do like her and she is funny. She's made a career by being intelligent and having interesting life experiences and working hard to be where she is. Some of her quips are directed at 'those' men who attempt to put her down - she retaliates .... and some of the material gets into her sets.
She's written books and contributed to very many sit coms , panel shows and charity events.
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Classic Joe Brand jokes:
What's my favourite kind of man? A dead one.
How do you find your way to a man's heart. Through the hanky pocket with a bread knife.
She may well be all the things you have said, however the fact is her early career is from violence towards men.
As a comic she doesn't really have a lot of material. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Don't people/comedians learn that they can not make offensive jokes no longer. Or have a slip of the tongue as it can end a career. Just look at Danny Baker. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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And if she's intelligent well she not intelligent enough to know you don't go on TV staying use battery acid instead of milk shake, because some nutter might actually go out and do that.
Considering all the acid attacks over the last few years it's a very stupid thing to say. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"Made a joke that instead of milk shake people might throw battery acid at 'hateful'figures.
I like Brand and think someone like Farage is a cnut, but many support Brand with this quip.
I generally don't like jokes about harming anyone and feel it's seen as acceptable if 'punching up' as it were?
What do fabbers think?"
I think farage would have much more of a case for uproar..... it he himself hadn't been caught of camera talking about taking "a rifle to people if mp's didn't deliver on brexit"......
so once he stops being hypocritical and gives up the faux outrage.... sure!  |
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"Made a joke that instead of milk shake people might throw battery acid at 'hateful'figures.
I like Brand and think someone like Farage is a cnut, but many support Brand with this quip.
I generally don't like jokes about harming anyone and feel it's seen as acceptable if 'punching up' as it were?
What do fabbers think?"
What she did is actually an offence under the Public Order Act and she could well face charges for it. It's happened before |
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over a year ago
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Trouble is Pants is that any quip gets instant reaction. They are falling like flies. Question was whether punching up is actually ok even when possibly offensive. |
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I listened to the whole show yesterday and hardly noticed her comment, other than thinking it was funny. Sound bites work very differently of course.
The point she made was made in a humorous way, like the other points she made through the show such as how prevalent and damaging it is for body shaming, mental health issues etc.
Those things were made with insight and compassion as well as being funny. Strange how the media doesn’t peddle its mock outrage at that too.
Perhaps it’s because they only do it to sell newspapers rather than what’s actually important? Who knew? |
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"Made a joke that instead of milk shake people might throw battery acid at 'hateful'figures.
I like Brand and think someone like Farage is a cnut, but many support Brand with this quip.
I generally don't like jokes about harming anyone and feel it's seen as acceptable if 'punching up' as it were?
What do fabbers think?"
Not acceptable, people democratically voted for their leaders. If you do not liek them then vote them out mot milkshake or acid attack them, that is common assault. |
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Think she could have worded herself better.
Don't think she should have the police get involved though. We've heard politicians say worse, and they got nothing for their quips |
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"Acid attacks are horrible. There is nothing whatsoever jokey about them. "
Agreed, which just shows why we shouldn’t take things literally.
If someone annoys me at work I might say that I could happily punch him. I’m not sure that warrants being hauled away for inciting GBH though. |
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"Made a joke that instead of milk shake people might throw battery acid at 'hateful'figures.
I like Brand and think someone like Farage is a cnut, but many support Brand with this quip.
I generally don't like jokes about harming anyone and feel it's seen as acceptable if 'punching up' as it were?
What do fabbers think?"
That's the worst "joke" I've ever heard, let's ask the actual people
Who have been acid attacked see how hilarious they find it.....the woman has overstepped the mark there.... |
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Has no one here ever said something they dont actually mean... I could kill them...could slap you.. wanna punch you in the face. Can you all honestly say you have never made an inappropriate joke about a woman, a "retard" etc, or thought? If you listened to the show you would of heard it said in the moment and how tounge in cheek it was. Obviously a slow news day.
Also she is far from stupid. A stupid person wouldn't be able to qualify as a psychiatric nurse..nor would they be able to practise for 10 years or so. |
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By *eordiesCouple
over a year ago
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The Jo Cox Foundation should have had a view on this, but I see nothing about it on their website.
A quote from Jacqui Smith of an earlier date however;
JACQUI SMITH: JO PAID WITH HER LIFE BUT POLITICIANS NOW LIVE IN DAILY FEAR OF ATTACK
Presumably Jacqui will be calling out Jo Brand ??? |
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"I don't like her and she's not funny. She's made a career from jokes that are violent and derogatory towards men. "
Totally different to some men who on a daily basis inflict actual physical violence on women and week in week out women are murdered by men..
And that's not a dig at yourself but male comedians for decades have made jokes about a lot of other contentious and sensitive areas..
I heard it live and yes I did think ooh that's going to ruffle a few feathers and of course for anyone directly affected its not a subject that's funny at all..
But neither is r#pe, paedophilia and the sickening fact that men batter and kill their partners..
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In my view, this is something she should have, perhaps, given a little more thought to before opening her gob.
An error of judgement? Putting it mildly.
I think this is a case of a joke gone wrong.
I can sort of see the point she was trying to make, I just think her choice of words could have been better |
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Throwing anything over anyone is an act of violence , would she like it , well if it was a full fat milkshake she would and make sure you get her the whopper meal to go with it  |
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"Throwing anything over anyone is an act of violence , would she like it , well if it was a full fat milkshake she would and make sure you get her the whopper meal to go with it "
Ironically she has made part of her act based upon the fatty jokes she's had to put up with most of her life..
But far funnier than that.. |
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"It was a joke that I don't find funny but then I don't find her funny."
Reminds me of an old joke...
OMG I just looked out my window and saw [insert famous comedian here] getting run over by a bus.
Turns out she/he can make me laugh after all |
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"Brand went too far. Farage is behaving like the snowflakes he despises."
This /\
It’s very popular at the moment to moan about so-called political correctness stifling freedom of speech, but when someone says something we don’t like... |
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"Apparently the Police are now involved.
Jo Cox's sister has stated that she finds the comments offensive.
Can't see Ms Brand hosting HIGNFY for a long while."
Ahh come on, it's not like she snorted a line of white powder off a whores back like dear old Angus. |
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"Throwing anything over anyone is an act of violence , would she like it , well if it was a full fat milkshake she would and make sure you get her the whopper meal to go with it "
Why does she like full fat milkshake ? Why would I get her a whopper meal ? |
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I think the right are playing some elements of the left at their own game crying hate speech. As to whether that is true or not you have to look at the intent, context and Jo Brands history in terms of opinions, actions and things she's said in the past. I do have a feeling that such words from someone of the other end of the political scale would have been taken very seriously.
I don't think one kind of hate is ok and the other isn't. Just we need to be sure what is behind the words not the words them self. |
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"I like jo brand, she makes me laugh. Like another poster said if it was Frankie Boyle no one would of batted an eyelid. "
So.....
If a cunt says something cunty then they're just being a cunt, but if someone you like says something cunty then they're fine.... ....sounds very fabby 
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"Throwing anything over anyone is an act of violence , would she like it , well if it was a full fat milkshake she would and make sure you get her the whopper meal to go with it
Why does she like full fat milkshake ? Why would I get her a whopper meal ?"
Because she would eat/drink them. As she has openly self assessed, she is a bit of a fatty (on fab it's called curvy). |
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"I like jo brand, she makes me laugh. Like another poster said if it was Frankie Boyle no one would of batted an eyelid.
So.....
If a cunt says something cunty then they're just being a cunt, but if someone you like says something cunty then they're fine.... ....sounds very fabby
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To whom it's aimed appears to be important when deciding if it's right or wrong.
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"I like jo brand, she makes me laugh. Like another poster said if it was Frankie Boyle no one would of batted an eyelid.
So.....
If a cunt says something cunty then they're just being a cunt, but if someone you like says something cunty then they're fine.... ....sounds very fabby
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To whom it's aimed appears to be important when deciding if it's right or wrong.
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Sides innit....  |
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"Yet Carl Benjamin says we can joke about anything I don’t know what to believe 
Funny how the BBC demonised that joke but defends this one. "
You’ll have to show me where they demonised it! |
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"I like jo brand, she makes me laugh. Like another poster said if it was Frankie Boyle no one would of batted an eyelid.
So.....
If a cunt says something cunty then they're just being a cunt, but if someone you like says something cunty then they're fine.... ....sounds very fabby
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To whom it's aimed appears to be important when deciding if it's right or wrong.
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And there my fellow Galwegian lies the problem.
As sure as God made small apples there will be people who feel they have been offended so as to justify themselves to defend the people who took no offense in the first place. |
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"Yet Carl Benjamin says we can joke about anything I don’t know what to believe
Funny how the BBC demonised that joke but defends this one.
You’ll have to show me where they demonised it!"
Google it. |
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As sure as God made small apples there will be people who feel they have been offended so as to justify themselves to defend the people who took no offense in the first place. "
Lots of public figures and political figures offended tho |
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"Made a joke that instead of milk shake people might throw battery acid at 'hateful'figures.
I like Brand and think someone like Farage is a cnut, but many support Brand with this quip.
I generally don't like jokes about harming anyone and feel it's seen as acceptable if 'punching up' as it were?
What do fabbers think?"
It's comedy, she clarified immediately after the joke that she does not condone or support actual violence to these people and she thinks those that do, including the milkshake throwers, are idiots.
Farage is a lying, elitist scumbag but the way to beat him and his ilk is not violence, it's proving through debate and facts that he is indeed a lying, elitist scumbag.  |
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"Yet Carl Benjamin says we can joke about anything I don’t know what to believe
Funny how the BBC demonised that joke but defends this one.
You’ll have to show me where they demonised it!
Google it. "
A YouTuber-turned-UKIP candidate who said he "wouldn't even ****" a female Labour MP has refused to apologise.
Carl Benjamin wants to stand to become an MEP for the South West for UKIP in the European elections on May 23.
Members of UKIP's Swindon branch said Mr Benjamin had only joined the local party recently and he should be deselected.
At a news conference in London, Mr Benjamin accused media outlets of "smearing" him.
Demonise? Lifted directly from the bbc |
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"Yet Carl Benjamin says we can joke about anything I don’t know what to believe
Funny how the BBC demonised that joke but defends this one.
You’ll have to show me where they demonised it!
Google it.
A YouTuber-turned-UKIP candidate who said he "wouldn't even ****" a female Labour MP has refused to apologise.
Carl Benjamin wants to stand to become an MEP for the South West for UKIP in the European elections on May 23.
Members of UKIP's Swindon branch said Mr Benjamin had only joined the local party recently and he should be deselected.
At a news conference in London, Mr Benjamin accused media outlets of "smearing" him.
Demonise? Lifted directly from the bbc"
Was that the only time they mentioned it? |
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"Yet Carl Benjamin says we can joke about anything I don’t know what to believe
Funny how the BBC demonised that joke but defends this one.
You’ll have to show me where they demonised it!
Google it.
A YouTuber-turned-UKIP candidate who said he "wouldn't even ****" a female Labour MP has refused to apologise.
Carl Benjamin wants to stand to become an MEP for the South West for UKIP in the European elections on May 23.
Members of UKIP's Swindon branch said Mr Benjamin had only joined the local party recently and he should be deselected.
At a news conference in London, Mr Benjamin accused media outlets of "smearing" him.
Demonise? Lifted directly from the bbc
Was that the only time they mentioned it? "
You said google it, I did, now that’s not good enough! If they demonised him I didn’t find it, I’m not trawling through pages upon pages |
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There are 50 people in a room. One of them is an acid thrower and is intent on maiming a politician. The other 49 wouldn't harm a fly.
A comedian tells a joke which carries the message 'do something radical about politics NOT wanky milk chucking'.....
Some people laugh, some people groan, some people say 'not her again' and some actually UNDERSTAND that it wasn't a fucking instruction and those with difficulties tut and strut......
There are still 50 people in a room and still only one of them is psychotic enough to want to to physical harm to a politician. |
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In any case - jokes are like art - they are subjective and carry a myriad of meanings. They are filtered through the brains of the listener.......
I'd go as far as to say that the disgruntled tutters are the ones not to turn your backs on ..... what's in their heads is scary really. |
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"She is bang out of order, how would she feel if that was aimed at her kids ,I think plod should be knocking on her door ,vile women ,and an ex nurse FFS ."
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It's wrong and should not have been said, if for example 100,000 people watched that on TV, and one is hateful enough to think about doing it, but also fearful of the punishment and does not carry it out, that is one thing.
But the press, socal media and everything else combined ends up with 30 million hearing, reading or whatever then that one person turns into 300 potential attackers, 300/1 now and it only takes one to destroy someones life, and that's one to many.
In today's age of technology and information it should not have been said.
That's just the way I way it up and look at it my view only right or wrong. |
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over a year ago
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Another case of double standards from the biased broadcasting corporation, the government propaganda machine , jo brand gets away with it ,yet Danny Baker gets the sack , for posting a picture on social media as a joke |
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Right wingers say this kind of thing constantly, significantly more than left wingers, I think its laughable how they`ve cried foul on this incident.. Bunch of snowflakes when they feel like it..
I thought they loved "banter" |
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"There are 50 people in a room. One of them is an acid thrower and is intent on maiming a politician. The other 49 wouldn't harm a fly.
A comedian tells a joke which carries the message 'do something radical about politics NOT wanky milk chucking'.....
Some people laugh, some people groan, some people say 'not her again' and some actually UNDERSTAND that it wasn't a fucking instruction and those with difficulties tut and strut......
There are still 50 people in a room and still only one of them is psychotic enough to want to to physical harm to a politician. "
This.. |
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"Another case of double standards from the biased broadcasting corporation, the government propaganda machine , jo brand gets away with it ,yet Danny Baker gets the sack , for posting a picture on social media as a joke "
I thought of him too. |
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"Another case of double standards from the biased broadcasting corporation, the government propaganda machine , jo brand gets away with it ,yet Danny Baker gets the sack , for posting a picture on social media as a joke
I thought of him too. "
If you can't differentiate between what Danny did & what Jo did, then you just aint gonna get it.. |
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"Another case of double standards from the biased broadcasting corporation, the government propaganda machine , jo brand gets away with it ,yet Danny Baker gets the sack , for posting a picture on social media as a joke
I thought of him too.
If you can't differentiate between what Danny did & what Jo did, then you just aint gonna get it.."
Danny wasn't intentionally being racist. He isn't.
Jo was being humorous and I like her caustic humour (no pun intended).
Standards must apply to all .
Sackings are in my opinion unnecessary. But everyone should be treated same.
Farage ought to fuck himself I think. Expect he does...often. |
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"Another case of double standards from the biased broadcasting corporation, the government propaganda machine , jo brand gets away with it ,yet Danny Baker gets the sack , for posting a picture on social media as a joke
I thought of him too.
If you can't differentiate between what Danny did & what Jo did, then you just aint gonna get it..
Danny wasn't intentionally being racist. He isn't.
Jo was being humorous and I like her caustic humour (no pun intended).
Standards must apply to all .
Sackings are in my opinion unnecessary. But everyone should be treated same.
Farage ought to fuck himself I think. Expect he does...often."
Sorry, but Danny's "excuse" was beyond pathetic, it made no sense whatsoever, given his position, his social position, & his direct contact with the news.
We can agree on Farage though.. |
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"I like jo brand, she makes me laugh. Like another poster said if it was Frankie Boyle no one would of batted an eyelid.
So.....
If a cunt says something cunty then they're just being a cunt, but if someone you like says something cunty then they're fine.... ....sounds very fabby
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To whom it's aimed appears to be important when deciding if it's right or wrong.
And there my fellow Galwegian lies the problem.
As sure as God made small apples there will be people who feel they have been offended so as to justify themselves to defend the people who took no offense in the first place. "
True story. |
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Sorry, but Danny's "excuse" was beyond pathetic, it made no sense whatsoever, given his position, his social position, & his direct contact with the news.
We can agree on Farage though.."
Well good knows what Baker was thinking. But I wouldn't have sacked. Just made him muck out the monkey house at London zoo for a month . |
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Sorry, but Danny's "excuse" was beyond pathetic, it made no sense whatsoever, given his position, his social position, & his direct contact with the news.
We can agree on Farage though..
Well good knows what Baker was thinking. But I wouldn't have sacked. Just made him muck out the monkey house at London zoo for a month ."
I used to like the Baker, I liked his recent series on BBC4 too, but that recent cockup made me completely re-evaluate him, & I think it was right he was sacked, especially with his football influence & the who recent surge in racism within football.. He only has himself to blame, I`d fully expect to be sacked if I'd done it.. |
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