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By *_Marius OP Man
over a year ago
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This word annoys me a lot. It’s a long-winded discussion though...probably not appropriate for a place like this...I guess it’s not the word’s fault. It’s the way people use it that irritates me. |
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"This word annoys me a lot. It’s a long-winded discussion though...probably not appropriate for a place like this...I guess it’s not the word’s fault. It’s the way people use it that irritates me."
How do they use it that irritates you? |
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By *_Marius OP Man
over a year ago
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"This word annoys me a lot. It’s a long-winded discussion though...probably not appropriate for a place like this...I guess it’s not the word’s fault. It’s the way people use it that irritates me.
How do they use it that irritates you?"
Well it starts from my belief that there is a difference between sex and gender. And maybe I’m conflating too issues here, I don’t know...but going back to the “gender”, it’s supposed to be the social expectations attached to one’s sex. Like for instance, men wearing trousers, women wearing skirts. So, in that sense, people have been blurring the boundaries of “gender” for whole decades.
For example, Marlene Dietrich was one of the pioneers of blurring “gender” lines. She would be wearing a man’s suit back in the 30s or 40s, paired with a mink fur coat. The next moment she would wear a wide-brimmed hat, black skirt-suit and she would look like sex on legs.
And then, there is another guy called David Bowie, no introductions needed...he was another icon of blurring “gender” image and expectations...
But back then, people didn’t seem obsessed with the word “gender”.
It’s only in the last couple of years that people in the media and beyond seem to use it obsessively and compulsively... “trans-gender”, “gender-neutral”...
It annoys me because, it comes across as the phenomenon of a few people trying to make the rest of us think and talk in a certain t r e n d y way, rather than teaching us genuine respect for people who are born with differences they cannot control. |
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"This word annoys me a lot. It’s a long-winded discussion though...probably not appropriate for a place like this...I guess it’s not the word’s fault. It’s the way people use it that irritates me.
How do they use it that irritates you?
Well it starts from my belief that there is a difference between sex and gender. And maybe I’m conflating too issues here, I don’t know...but going back to the “gender”, it’s supposed to be the social expectations attached to one’s sex. Like for instance, men wearing trousers, women wearing skirts. So, in that sense, people have been blurring the boundaries of “gender” for whole decades.
For example, Marlene Dietrich was one of the pioneers of blurring “gender” lines. She would be wearing a man’s suit back in the 30s or 40s, paired with a mink fur coat. The next moment she would wear a wide-brimmed hat, black skirt-suit and she would look like sex on legs.
And then, there is another guy called David Bowie, no introductions needed...he was another icon of blurring “gender” image and expectations...
But back then, people didn’t seem obsessed with the word “gender”.
It’s only in the last couple of years that people in the media and beyond seem to use it obsessively and compulsively... “trans-gender”, “gender-neutral”...
It annoys me because, it comes across as the phenomenon of a few people trying to make the rest of us think and talk in a certain t r e n d y way, rather than teaching us genuine respect for people who are born with differences they cannot control."
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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Language evolves.
I like transexual and transvestite.
I understood the meaning.
But then bickering began to create stigma.
So along pops transgender and everyone can feel included.
It has its uses.
But I find it nebulous.
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"This word annoys me a lot. It’s a long-winded discussion though...probably not appropriate for a place like this...I guess it’s not the word’s fault. It’s the way people use it that irritates me.
How do they use it that irritates you?
Well it starts from my belief that there is a difference between sex and gender. And maybe I’m conflating too issues here, I don’t know...but going back to the “gender”, it’s supposed to be the social expectations attached to one’s sex. Like for instance, men wearing trousers, women wearing skirts. So, in that sense, people have been blurring the boundaries of “gender” for whole decades.
For example, Marlene Dietrich was one of the pioneers of blurring “gender” lines. She would be wearing a man’s suit back in the 30s or 40s, paired with a mink fur coat. The next moment she would wear a wide-brimmed hat, black skirt-suit and she would look like sex on legs.
And then, there is another guy called David Bowie, no introductions needed...he was another icon of blurring “gender” image and expectations...
But back then, people didn’t seem obsessed with the word “gender”.
It’s only in the last couple of years that people in the media and beyond seem to use it obsessively and compulsively... “trans-gender”, “gender-neutral”...
It annoys me because, it comes across as the phenomenon of a few people trying to make the rest of us think and talk in a certain t r e n d y way, rather than teaching us genuine respect for people who are born with differences they cannot control."
What word would you use OP?
I think that gender is used in conjunction with but as a differentiation from sex. Unfortunately the English language can be clunky and unwieldy at times.
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"Language evolves.
I like transexual and transvestite.
I understood the meaning.
But then bickering began to create stigma.
So along pops transgender and everyone can feel included.
It has its uses.
But I find it nebulous.
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Nebulous? |
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If you look at the history transgender was first used and brought into the language in the 1960s in fact there was a famous article by Bowie where he has questioned if he was transgender in the 1970s.
The thing is these are not new issues that have simply popped up in the last few years they have been around for centuries.
There has been historic documents detailing transgender and also gender fluid individuals 100s of years old.
The native Americans use to refer to a. Transgender as someone that walks the earth with two souls.
Also why would a word annoy you. Words and the English language have changed as more and more of the human condition is explored and discovered.
Gender has never been an easy thing to define for many people I myself am glad we live in a world where groups of people can explore and break down the ideas and thoughts of what gender is.
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By *_Marius OP Man
over a year ago
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"If you look at the history transgender was first used and brought into the language in the 1960s in fact there was a famous article by Bowie where he has questioned if he was transgender in the 1970s.
The thing is these are not new issues that have simply popped up in the last few years they have been around for centuries.
There has been historic documents detailing transgender and also gender fluid individuals 100s of years old.
The native Americans use to refer to a. Transgender as someone that walks the earth with two souls.
Also why would a word annoy you. Words and the English language have changed as more and more of the human condition is explored and discovered.
Gender has never been an easy thing to define for many people I myself am glad we live in a world where groups of people can explore and break down the ideas and thoughts of what gender is.
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In a way you have agreed with what I’ve said about people blurring the lines of gender generations ago, and I did say why it annoys me but....to repeat myself....it annoys me because people seem to be using it in the last couple of years as a matter of a trend or a fad rather than a sign of recognition that people transgress their gender expectations every day (e.g heterosexual men slathering fake tan, hair products, even foundation sometimes—things that were considered strictly feminine once upon a time) |
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"If you look at the history transgender was first used and brought into the language in the 1960s in fact there was a famous article by Bowie where he has questioned if he was transgender in the 1970s.
The thing is these are not new issues that have simply popped up in the last few years they have been around for centuries.
There has been historic documents detailing transgender and also gender fluid individuals 100s of years old.
The native Americans use to refer to a. Transgender as someone that walks the earth with two souls.
Also why would a word annoy you. Words and the English language have changed as more and more of the human condition is explored and discovered.
Gender has never been an easy thing to define for many people I myself am glad we live in a world where groups of people can explore and break down the ideas and thoughts of what gender is.
In a way you have agreed with what I’ve said about people blurring the lines of gender generations ago, and I did say why it annoys me but....to repeat myself....it annoys me because people seem to be using it in the last couple of years as a matter of a trend or a fad rather than a sign of recognition that people transgress their gender expectations every day (e.g heterosexual men slathering fake tan, hair products, even foundation sometimes—things that were considered strictly feminine once upon a time)"
I don't think there is anything wrong with that of people want to explore their gender that's up to them and good on them xx |
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By *_Marius OP Man
over a year ago
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"This word annoys me a lot. It’s a long-winded discussion though...probably not appropriate for a place like this...I guess it’s not the word’s fault. It’s the way people use it that irritates me.
How do they use it that irritates you?
Well it starts from my belief that there is a difference between sex and gender. And maybe I’m conflating too issues here, I don’t know...but going back to the “gender”, it’s supposed to be the social expectations attached to one’s sex. Like for instance, men wearing trousers, women wearing skirts. So, in that sense, people have been blurring the boundaries of “gender” for whole decades.
For example, Marlene Dietrich was one of the pioneers of blurring “gender” lines. She would be wearing a man’s suit back in the 30s or 40s, paired with a mink fur coat. The next moment she would wear a wide-brimmed hat, black skirt-suit and she would look like sex on legs.
And then, there is another guy called David Bowie, no introductions needed...he was another icon of blurring “gender” image and expectations...
But back then, people didn’t seem obsessed with the word “gender”.
It’s only in the last couple of years that people in the media and beyond seem to use it obsessively and compulsively... “trans-gender”, “gender-neutral”...
It annoys me because, it comes across as the phenomenon of a few people trying to make the rest of us think and talk in a certain t r e n d y way, rather than teaching us genuine respect for people who are born with differences they cannot control.
What word would you use OP?
I think that gender is used in conjunction with but as a differentiation from sex. Unfortunately the English language can be clunky and unwieldy at times.
Tea"
It would depend on the individual case for me; for example if you have seen one of the newsreaders of Channel 5, India Willoughby, she is a woman now but she’s a transsexual, not a ‘transgender’; and she has said so herself.
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By *_Marius OP Man
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"If you look at the history transgender was first used and brought into the language in the 1960s in fact there was a famous article by Bowie where he has questioned if he was transgender in the 1970s.
The thing is these are not new issues that have simply popped up in the last few years they have been around for centuries.
There has been historic documents detailing transgender and also gender fluid individuals 100s of years old.
The native Americans use to refer to a. Transgender as someone that walks the earth with two souls.
Also why would a word annoy you. Words and the English language have changed as more and more of the human condition is explored and discovered.
Gender has never been an easy thing to define for many people I myself am glad we live in a world where groups of people can explore and break down the ideas and thoughts of what gender is.
In a way you have agreed with what I’ve said about people blurring the lines of gender generations ago, and I did say why it annoys me but....to repeat myself....it annoys me because people seem to be using it in the last couple of years as a matter of a trend or a fad rather than a sign of recognition that people transgress their gender expectations every day (e.g heterosexual men slathering fake tan, hair products, even foundation sometimes—things that were considered strictly feminine once upon a time)
I don't think there is anything wrong with that of people want to explore their gender that's up to them and good on them xx"
Yes, I am actually on about the use of the term, not people who do what they do x |
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"If you look at the history transgender was first used and brought into the language in the 1960s in fact there was a famous article by Bowie where he has questioned if he was transgender in the 1970s.
The thing is these are not new issues that have simply popped up in the last few years they have been around for centuries.
There has been historic documents detailing transgender and also gender fluid individuals 100s of years old.
The native Americans use to refer to a. Transgender as someone that walks the earth with two souls.
Also why would a word annoy you. Words and the English language have changed as more and more of the human condition is explored and discovered.
Gender has never been an easy thing to define for many people I myself am glad we live in a world where groups of people can explore and break down the ideas and thoughts of what gender is.
In a way you have agreed with what I’ve said about people blurring the lines of gender generations ago, and I did say why it annoys me but....to repeat myself....it annoys me because people seem to be using it in the last couple of years as a matter of a trend or a fad rather than a sign of recognition that people transgress their gender expectations every day (e.g heterosexual men slathering fake tan, hair products, even foundation sometimes—things that were considered strictly feminine once upon a time)
I don't think there is anything wrong with that of people want to explore their gender that's up to them and good on them xx
Yes, I am actually on about the use of the term, not people who do what they do x"
 I thought that's what you meant. |
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"This word annoys me a lot. It’s a long-winded discussion though...probably not appropriate for a place like this...I guess it’s not the word’s fault. It’s the way people use it that irritates me."
many things in life will bug you, you have to handle it better one thing I've noticed about British people more so than any other nationality we are very aggressive......... Chill enjoy life let it go over your head, you'll be happier for it
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Its weird isn't it? As a kid I wanted to be called Jamie, I was a tomboy, still am at 51, no interest in make up handbags hairstyles, talk to me about football, F1, politics then I'm interested. Was I born the wrong gender? Probably not, all my friends are guys, have nothing in common with women conversation wise..yet I'm all woman, if you get what I mean. |
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