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"I loved my golly badges,and I'm sure many girls loved a golly doll. So when and why , did it become offensive to talk about gollies.initially a term of description/endearment ?" I bet there were plenty of girls who liked the badges and boys who liked the doll too. | |||
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"I bet, but why's it so offensive now? " In reality it was always offensive, it’s just that we’ve since moved on from racial stereotypes. Wing Commander Guy Gibson VC called his black Labrador ni**er, there’s no evidence he was racist but it wouldn’t be right to do it nowadays. | |||
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"I bet, but why's it so offensive now? In reality it was always offensive, it’s just that we’ve since moved on from racial stereotypes. Wing Commander Guy Gibson VC called his black Labrador ni**er, there’s no evidence he was racist but it wouldn’t be right to do it nowadays. " I agree with Mr Fiddlesticks here  | |||
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"I loved my golly badges,and I'm sure many girls loved a golly doll. So when and why , did it become offensive to talk about gollies.initially a term of description/endearment ?" The why is obvious. The when I'm not sure about. | |||
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"It was probably always offensive" Same as the Black & White Minstrel Show that everybody laughed at back in the day... | |||
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"Yep. I've known the term to be offensive in all my 30 years. As other have said they were innocent to begin but then the term was use derogatively. Much like the word gay used to mean happy, then homosexual then it was used by some in a derogatory fashion. My grandma has a few of the dolls but shes a big collector. Given they reduce black people to a stereotypical caricature like what was seen in minstrel shows, whilst they do remain part of history that is where they should stay. " but the minstrel shows where hugely popular, and made many people more receptive to a different race/ culture. | |||
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"Yep. I've known the term to be offensive in all my 30 years. As other have said they were innocent to begin but then the term was use derogatively. Much like the word gay used to mean happy, then homosexual then it was used by some in a derogatory fashion. My grandma has a few of the dolls but shes a big collector. Given they reduce black people to a stereotypical caricature like what was seen in minstrel shows, whilst they do remain part of history that is where they should stay. but the minstrel shows where hugely popular, and made many people more receptive to a different race/ culture. " You can argue that, you can also argue that the shows didn't represent those races or cultures in a fair or positive light. It wasn't African culture that they were representing, just a pastiche of white culture. There weren't too many top hat and cane shows going on in African culture... Tea | |||
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"I loved my golly badges,and I'm sure many girls loved a golly doll. So when and why , did it become offensive to talk about gollies.initially a term of description/endearment ?" Mate, I think you belong in another century if you think this is still up for discussion. | |||
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"I loved my golly badges,and I'm sure many girls loved a golly doll. So when and why , did it become offensive to talk about gollies.initially a term of description/endearment ? Mate, I think you belong in another century if you think this is still up for discussion." This. | |||
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"I loved my golly badges,and I'm sure many girls loved a golly doll. So when and why , did it become offensive to talk about gollies.initially a term of description/endearment ? Mate, I think you belong in another century if you think this is still up for discussion. This. " Ditto.. | |||
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"White people dont get to decide what black or Asian people find offensive I know it’s painful, but time to listen and pay attention and change behaviour that may offend people If you’re offended by this post ... time to think hard about why " Yes! That’s spot on  | |||
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"White people dont get to decide what black or Asian people find offensive I know it’s painful, but time to listen and pay attention and change behaviour that may offend people If you’re offended by this post ... time to think hard about why " Absofuckinglutely! Not sure how a white person can decide how something that is offensive to black people can decide it's PC gone mad.  | |||
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"White people dont get to decide what black or Asian people find offensive I know it’s painful, but time to listen and pay attention and change behaviour that may offend people If you’re offended by this post ... time to think hard about why Absofuckinglutely! Not sure how a white person can decide how something that is offensive to black people can decide it's PC gone mad. " | |||
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"As with everything in this country the PC brigade have stomped all over it " As with so many things, people who feel a sense of entitlement over certain groups will blame anyone if they have to change | |||
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"They became offensive when people started using the term as an offensive term. The dolls and the badges themselves weren't the problem. It was what came after that was and then they became part of the problem " Agree. It's what we do with the information that makes it right or wrong. The blurred lines of that happen when without the full information we make a judgement that the person is being offensive. This may not be the case but rather they are misunderstood. We also now live in a culture of taking offense. It's become accepted that it's becoming our right to take offense. It helps if one is in a minority too as this lends a lot of weight. | |||
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"They became offensive when people started using the term as an offensive term. The dolls and the badges themselves weren't the problem. It was what came after that was and then they became part of the problem Agree. It's what we do with the information that makes it right or wrong. The blurred lines of that happen when without the full information we make a judgement that the person is being offensive. This may not be the case but rather they are misunderstood. We also now live in a culture of taking offense. It's become accepted that it's becoming our right to take offense. It helps if one is in a minority too as this lends a lot of weight." I would imagine, as a white male you've not had to deal with an awful lot of prejudice? | |||
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"They became offensive when people started using the term as an offensive term. The dolls and the badges themselves weren't the problem. It was what came after that was and then they became part of the problem Agree. It's what we do with the information that makes it right or wrong. The blurred lines of that happen when without the full information we make a judgement that the person is being offensive. This may not be the case but rather they are misunderstood. We also now live in a culture of taking offense. It's become accepted that it's becoming our right to take offense. It helps if one is in a minority too as this lends a lot of weight." It’s not ‘a culture of talking offense’ - it’s people finally having the right to say stop to offensive things like cultural appropriation and ‘jokes’ that disparage people’s heritage and culture- either you’re conscious of bias or you’re not Not so long ago it was considered funny to make jokes about domestic violence I suppose the ‘offensive’ part of anything said is subjective and usually very hard for the perpetrator to understand. Not so long ago at a party, a friend of mine bemoaned the fact that her white, privileged, privately educated daughter wasn’t accepted by Oxford. She then said, it wasn’t the year Oxbridge was accepting white girls. She said this in all seriousness to me, mixed race, and my response should’ve been, maybe your daughter didn’t get in because there were better candidates- but the sheer delusion of some people, claiming white victimhood because the traditional privileges are no longer something they can take for granted, truly astonishing. And this in a country where men and women of colour still have to work harder to prove themselves, ALL the time I can’t educate people on here but suggest, if you’re interested in learning something, read a book called ‘Why I won’t talk to white people about race anymore’ | |||
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"Yep. I've known the term to be offensive in all my 30 years. As other have said they were innocent to begin but then the term was use derogatively. Much like the word gay used to mean happy, then homosexual then it was used by some in a derogatory fashion. My grandma has a few of the dolls but shes a big collector. Given they reduce black people to a stereotypical caricature like what was seen in minstrel shows, whilst they do remain part of history that is where they should stay. but the minstrel shows where hugely popular, and made many people more receptive to a different race/ culture. " Hangings, beheadings and stonings were also hugely popular at times, doesnt make them right. It didnt make people more receptive, it gave them a warped view of an entire race and stereotyped physical attributes | |||
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"They became offensive when people started using the term as an offensive term. The dolls and the badges themselves weren't the problem. It was what came after that was and then they became part of the problem Agree. It's what we do with the information that makes it right or wrong. The blurred lines of that happen when without the full information we make a judgement that the person is being offensive. This may not be the case but rather they are misunderstood. We also now live in a culture of taking offense. It's become accepted that it's becoming our right to take offense. It helps if one is in a minority too as this lends a lot of weight. It’s not ‘a culture of talking offense’ - it’s people finally having the right to say stop to offensive things like cultural appropriation and ‘jokes’ that disparage people’s heritage and culture- either you’re conscious of bias or you’re not Not so long ago it was considered funny to make jokes about domestic violence I suppose the ‘offensive’ part of anything said is subjective and usually very hard for the perpetrator to understand. Not so long ago at a party, a friend of mine bemoaned the fact that her white, privileged, privately educated daughter wasn’t accepted by Oxford. She then said, it wasn’t the year Oxbridge was accepting white girls. She said this in all seriousness to me, mixed race, and my response should’ve been, maybe your daughter didn’t get in because there were better candidates- but the sheer delusion of some people, claiming white victimhood because the traditional privileges are no longer something they can take for granted, truly astonishing. And this in a country where men and women of colour still have to work harder to prove themselves, ALL the time I can’t educate people on here but suggest, if you’re interested in learning something, read a book called ‘Why I won’t talk to white people about race anymore’" | |||
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"White people dont get to decide what black or Asian people find offensive I know it’s painful, but time to listen and pay attention and change behaviour that may offend people If you’re offended by this post ... time to think hard about why " This. | |||
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"They became offensive when people started using the term as an offensive term. The dolls and the badges themselves weren't the problem. It was what came after that was and then they became part of the problem Agree. It's what we do with the information that makes it right or wrong. The blurred lines of that happen when without the full information we make a judgement that the person is being offensive. This may not be the case but rather they are misunderstood. We also now live in a culture of taking offense. It's become accepted that it's becoming our right to take offense. It helps if one is in a minority too as this lends a lot of weight. It’s not ‘a culture of talking offense’ - it’s people finally having the right to say stop to offensive things like cultural appropriation and ‘jokes’ that disparage people’s heritage and culture- either you’re conscious of bias or you’re not Not so long ago it was considered funny to make jokes about domestic violence I suppose the ‘offensive’ part of anything said is subjective and usually very hard for the perpetrator to understand. Not so long ago at a party, a friend of mine bemoaned the fact that her white, privileged, privately educated daughter wasn’t accepted by Oxford. She then said, it wasn’t the year Oxbridge was accepting white girls. She said this in all seriousness to me, mixed race, and my response should’ve been, maybe your daughter didn’t get in because there were better candidates- but the sheer delusion of some people, claiming white victimhood because the traditional privileges are no longer something they can take for granted, truly astonishing. And this in a country where men and women of colour still have to work harder to prove themselves, ALL the time I can’t educate people on here but suggest, if you’re interested in learning something, read a book called ‘Why I won’t talk to white people about race anymore’" Fantastic post. Someone posted in the 'pride' thread yesterday something that I think is very pertinent on an awful lot of discussions; "equality feels like discrimination to those who used to be privileged" Tea | |||
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"They became offensive when people started using the term as an offensive term. The dolls and the badges themselves weren't the problem. It was what came after that was and then they became part of the problem Agree. It's what we do with the information that makes it right or wrong. The blurred lines of that happen when without the full information we make a judgement that the person is being offensive. This may not be the case but rather they are misunderstood. We also now live in a culture of taking offense. It's become accepted that it's becoming our right to take offense. It helps if one is in a minority too as this lends a lot of weight. It’s not ‘a culture of talking offense’ - it’s people finally having the right to say stop to offensive things like cultural appropriation and ‘jokes’ that disparage people’s heritage and culture- either you’re conscious of bias or you’re not Not so long ago it was considered funny to make jokes about domestic violence I suppose the ‘offensive’ part of anything said is subjective and usually very hard for the perpetrator to understand. Not so long ago at a party, a friend of mine bemoaned the fact that her white, privileged, privately educated daughter wasn’t accepted by Oxford. She then said, it wasn’t the year Oxbridge was accepting white girls. She said this in all seriousness to me, mixed race, and my response should’ve been, maybe your daughter didn’t get in because there were better candidates- but the sheer delusion of some people, claiming white victimhood because the traditional privileges are no longer something they can take for granted, truly astonishing. And this in a country where men and women of colour still have to work harder to prove themselves, ALL the time I can’t educate people on here but suggest, if you’re interested in learning something, read a book called ‘Why I won’t talk to white people about race anymore’ Fantastic post. Someone posted in the 'pride' thread yesterday something that I think is very pertinent on an awful lot of discussions; "equality feels like discrimination to those who used to be privileged" Tea" | |||
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"They became offensive when people started using the term as an offensive term. The dolls and the badges themselves weren't the problem. It was what came after that was and then they became part of the problem Agree. It's what we do with the information that makes it right or wrong. The blurred lines of that happen when without the full information we make a judgement that the person is being offensive. This may not be the case but rather they are misunderstood. We also now live in a culture of taking offense. It's become accepted that it's becoming our right to take offense. It helps if one is in a minority too as this lends a lot of weight. I would imagine, as a white male you've not had to deal with an awful lot of prejudice?" MASSIVE assumptions. What makes you jump to that conclusion? I'm genuinely interested as being white doesn't exclude someone from a lot of prejudice. I actually work in an environment that is dealing with prejudice on a day to day basis, some very personalised too. | |||
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"Political correctness gone mad..... Let people have opinions, even if you don't agree with them." No its not, it's offensive to many people. So what's political about that? | |||
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"Political correctness gone mad..... Let people have opinions, even if you don't agree with them." I admit him i’m not very PC and a lot of it drives me mad but I have to agree with the fact that they are right to have been banned. I don’t think this has anything to do with what is seen as political correctness at all. | |||
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"Political correctness gone mad..... Let people have opinions, even if you don't agree with them. No its not, it's offensive to many people. So what's political about that? " Everything...... | |||
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"Political correctness gone mad..... Let people have opinions, even if you don't agree with them. No its not, it's offensive to many people. So what's political about that? Everything......" People that complain about 'political correctness gone mad' are just people angry that they are finally being called out for having offensive views | |||
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"Political correctness gone mad..... Let people have opinions, even if you don't agree with them. No its not, it's offensive to many people. So what's political about that? Everything...... People that complain about 'political correctness gone mad' are just people angry that they are finally being called out for having offensive views" No I don’t agree with that. Nothing to do with this thread but I often think political correctness has gone mad and I don’t believe I have offensive views at all. Unfortunately that is how the PC brigade look at things. If someone doesn’t agree with them they must be offensive. Very sad really. | |||
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"Political correctness gone mad..... Let people have opinions, even if you don't agree with them. No its not, it's offensive to many people. So what's political about that? Everything...... People that complain about 'political correctness gone mad' are just people angry that they are finally being called out for having offensive views" | |||
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"Political correctness gone mad..... Let people have opinions, even if you don't agree with them. No its not, it's offensive to many people. So what's political about that? Everything...... People that complain about 'political correctness gone mad' are just people angry that they are finally being called out for having offensive views" Especially older people with entrenched views that have rarely been challenged - easier to give it a sneery name like ‘political correctness’ than actually have to face reality | |||
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"Political correctness gone mad..... Let people have opinions, even if you don't agree with them. No its not, it's offensive to many people. So what's political about that? Everything...... People that complain about 'political correctness gone mad' are just people angry that they are finally being called out for having offensive views No I don’t agree with that. Nothing to do with this thread but I often think political correctness has gone mad and I don’t believe I have offensive views at all. Unfortunately that is how the PC brigade look at things. If someone doesn’t agree with them they must be offensive. Very sad really. " Its not about being PC, if something is commonly accepted as offensive then I think that sound be respected. | |||
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"Political correctness gone mad..... Let people have opinions, even if you don't agree with them. No its not, it's offensive to many people. So what's political about that? Everything...... People that complain about 'political correctness gone mad' are just people angry that they are finally being called out for having offensive views Especially older people with entrenched views that have rarely been challenged - easier to give it a sneery name like ‘political correctness’ than actually have to face reality" Spot on! | |||
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"Political correctness gone mad..... Let people have opinions, even if you don't agree with them. No its not, it's offensive to many people. So what's political about that? Everything...... People that complain about 'political correctness gone mad' are just people angry that they are finally being called out for having offensive views No I don’t agree with that. Nothing to do with this thread but I often think political correctness has gone mad and I don’t believe I have offensive views at all. Unfortunately that is how the PC brigade look at things. If someone doesn’t agree with them they must be offensive. Very sad really. Its not about being PC, if something is commonly accepted as offensive then I think that sound be respected. " Absolutely. As I said, I’m talking in general about political correctness as the other person was. With regards to this thread I totally agree that golliwogs should have been banned as I stated previously in the thread. | |||
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"White people dont get to decide what black or Asian people find offensive I know it’s painful, but time to listen and pay attention and change behaviour that may offend people If you’re offended by this post ... time to think hard about why " So much this | |||
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"Political correctness gone mad..... Let people have opinions, even if you don't agree with them. No its not, it's offensive to many people. So what's political about that? Everything...... People that complain about 'political correctness gone mad' are just people angry that they are finally being called out for having offensive views No I don’t agree with that. Nothing to do with this thread but I often think political correctness has gone mad and I don’t believe I have offensive views at all. Unfortunately that is how the PC brigade look at things. If someone doesn’t agree with them they must be offensive. Very sad really. Its not about being PC, if something is commonly accepted as offensive then I think that sound be respected. Absolutely. As I said, I’m talking in general about political correctness as the other person was. With regards to this thread I totally agree that golliwogs should have been banned as I stated previously in the thread. " I am talking about how things are taken to the extreme. Yes I think golliwogs are offensive. No I don’t think the nursery rhyme baa baa black sheep is offensive. | |||
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"Political correctness gone mad..... Let people have opinions, even if you don't agree with them. No its not, it's offensive to many people. So what's political about that? Everything...... People that complain about 'political correctness gone mad' are just people angry that they are finally being called out for having offensive views No I don’t agree with that. Nothing to do with this thread but I often think political correctness has gone mad and I don’t believe I have offensive views at all. Unfortunately that is how the PC brigade look at things. If someone doesn’t agree with them they must be offensive. Very sad really. Its not about being PC, if something is commonly accepted as offensive then I think that sound be respected. Absolutely. As I said, I’m talking in general about political correctness as the other person was. With regards to this thread I totally agree that golliwogs should have been banned as I stated previously in the thread. I am talking about how things are taken to the extreme. Yes I think golliwogs are offensive. No I don’t think the nursery rhyme baa baa black sheep is offensive. " Oh I quite agree! | |||
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"Political correctness gone mad..... Let people have opinions, even if you don't agree with them." “Political correctness” gone mad is nothing to do with this... It’s things like suggesting we should use chalk board instead of black board, or we can’t sing baa baa black sheep, or we can’t say Merry Christmas and should instead use Happy Holidays. | |||
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"Political correctness gone mad..... Let people have opinions, even if you don't agree with them. “Political correctness” gone mad is nothing to do with this... It’s things like suggesting we should use chalk board instead of black board, or we can’t sing baa baa black sheep, or we can’t say Merry Christmas and should instead use Happy Holidays." Yes, all good examples of political correctness. Can do without any of it. | |||
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"Political correctness gone mad..... Let people have opinions, even if you don't agree with them. “Political correctness” gone mad is nothing to do with this... It’s things like suggesting we should use chalk board instead of black board, or we can’t sing baa baa black sheep, or we can’t say Merry Christmas and should instead use Happy Holidays." And what would be so hard about that for you exactly? | |||
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"Political correctness gone mad..... Let people have opinions, even if you don't agree with them. “Political correctness” gone mad is nothing to do with this... It’s things like suggesting we should use chalk board instead of black board, or we can’t sing baa baa black sheep, or we can’t say Merry Christmas and should instead use Happy Holidays." Exactly this. Which is why I object to Lily’s comment. To me that is political correctness gone mad and I don’t see how that makes me offensive. | |||
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"Political correctness gone mad..... Let people have opinions, even if you don't agree with them. “Political correctness” gone mad is nothing to do with this... It’s things like suggesting we should use chalk board instead of black board, or we can’t sing baa baa black sheep, or we can’t say Merry Christmas and should instead use Happy Holidays. And what would be so hard about that for you exactly?" I have no idea what you mean by that sorry! | |||
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"Political correctness gone mad..... Let people have opinions, even if you don't agree with them. “Political correctness” gone mad is nothing to do with this... It’s things like suggesting we should use chalk board instead of black board, or we can’t sing baa baa black sheep, or we can’t say Merry Christmas and should instead use Happy Holidays. And what would be so hard about that for you exactly?" Because otherwise we have sensor everything we say. Not everything is offensive! | |||
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"Political correctness gone mad..... Let people have opinions, even if you don't agree with them. “Political correctness” gone mad is nothing to do with this... It’s things like suggesting we should use chalk board instead of black board, or we can’t sing baa baa black sheep, or we can’t say Merry Christmas and should instead use Happy Holidays. And what would be so hard about that for you exactly? I have no idea what you mean by that sorry! " Simple question I would have thought ... | |||
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"Political correctness gone mad..... Let people have opinions, even if you don't agree with them. “Political correctness” gone mad is nothing to do with this... It’s things like suggesting we should use chalk board instead of black board, or we can’t sing baa baa black sheep, or we can’t say Merry Christmas and should instead use Happy Holidays. Exactly this. Which is why I object to Lily’s comment. To me that is political correctness gone mad and I don’t see how that makes me offensive. " Yes there is a HUGE difference between those sorts of examples (which are actually mostly urban myths interestingly enough!) vs golliwogs or a less well known one being something like the Pear Soap adverts suggesting that you can “clean” a black child to be white. | |||
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"Political correctness gone mad..... Let people have opinions, even if you don't agree with them. “Political correctness” gone mad is nothing to do with this... It’s things like suggesting we should use chalk board instead of black board, or we can’t sing baa baa black sheep, or we can’t say Merry Christmas and should instead use Happy Holidays. And what would be so hard about that for you exactly? I have no idea what you mean by that sorry! Simple question I would have thought ..." Well clearly not. I was merely commenting that it’s wrong to suggest that Golliwogs are political correctness gone mad and gave some more appropriate examples of things that are daftly PC. I have no idea what you meant by your comment | |||
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"Political correctness gone mad..... Let people have opinions, even if you don't agree with them. “Political correctness” gone mad is nothing to do with this... It’s things like suggesting we should use chalk board instead of black board, or we can’t sing baa baa black sheep, or we can’t say Merry Christmas and should instead use Happy Holidays. And what would be so hard about that for you exactly? I have no idea what you mean by that sorry! Simple question I would have thought ..." Not really as I don’t understand what you mean either | |||
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"I loved my golly badges,and I'm sure many girls loved a golly doll. So when and why , did it become offensive to talk about gollies.initially a term of description/endearment ?" its always been offensive!! Just like the black n white minstrel show n certain tarzan films !!!oh n certain cowboy films !!! Dont even get me started on disney n popeye n tom n jerry! | |||
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"Political correctness gone mad..... Let people have opinions, even if you don't agree with them. “Political correctness” gone mad is nothing to do with this... It’s things like suggesting we should use chalk board instead of black board, or we can’t sing baa baa black sheep, or we can’t say Merry Christmas and should instead use Happy Holidays. And what would be so hard about that for you exactly?" Its being challenged in the EU courts now that it's offensive to call an item male or female now. Example being listed are male/female threads and couplings. The argument is how do we know it's male or female and so is now being seen as offensive. It's being pushed by those who see sexual identity as only in the mind and no longer a physical attribute. The problem I see with this is it's less object and more subjective. This creates a dilemma as one will constantly be struggling with what others think or see (their view), which then if differs from how you feel in yourself becomes offensive. Remember feelings change and so then can your sexuality from one week/month to another. | |||
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"Political correctness gone mad..... Let people have opinions, even if you don't agree with them. “Political correctness” gone mad is nothing to do with this... It’s things like suggesting we should use chalk board instead of black board, or we can’t sing baa baa black sheep, or we can’t say Merry Christmas and should instead use Happy Holidays. And what would be so hard about that for you exactly? Its being challenged in the EU courts now that it's offensive to call an item male or female now. Example being listed are male/female threads and couplings. The argument is how do we know it's male or female and so is now being seen as offensive. It's being pushed by those who see sexual identity as only in the mind and no longer a physical attribute. The problem I see with this is it's less object and more subjective. This creates a dilemma as one will constantly be struggling with what others think or see (their view), which then if differs from how you feel in yourself becomes offensive. Remember feelings change and so then can your sexuality from one week/month to another." Sexuality has nothing to do with that though.. The issues surrounding separating biological sex and gender are definitely a subject I would suggest are best kept to a thread all of its own! | |||
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"I loved my golly badges,and I'm sure many girls loved a golly doll. So when and why , did it become offensive to talk about gollies.initially a term of description/endearment ?its always been offensive!! Just like the black n white minstrel show n certain tarzan films !!!oh n certain cowboy films !!! Dont even get me started on disney n popeye n tom n jerry!" People enjoyed these things, they were fun entertainment. | |||
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"Political correctness gone mad..... Let people have opinions, even if you don't agree with them. “Political correctness” gone mad is nothing to do with this... It’s things like suggesting we should use chalk board instead of black board, or we can’t sing baa baa black sheep, or we can’t say Merry Christmas and should instead use Happy Holidays. And what would be so hard about that for you exactly? Its being challenged in the EU courts now that it's offensive to call an item male or female now. Example being listed are male/female threads and couplings. The argument is how do we know it's male or female and so is now being seen as offensive. It's being pushed by those who see sexual identity as only in the mind and no longer a physical attribute. The problem I see with this is it's less object and more subjective. This creates a dilemma as one will constantly be struggling with what others think or see (their view), which then if differs from how you feel in yourself becomes offensive. Remember feelings change and so then can your sexuality from one week/month to another." What do you mean by an item? | |||
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"I loved my golly badges,and I'm sure many girls loved a golly doll. So when and why , did it become offensive to talk about gollies.initially a term of description/endearment ?its always been offensive!! Just like the black n white minstrel show n certain tarzan films !!!oh n certain cowboy films !!! Dont even get me started on disney n popeye n tom n jerry! People enjoyed these things, they were fun entertainment." Like I said, old and entrenched - hard to accept the changing cultural landscape, even less to accept you might be wrong | |||
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"Political correctness gone mad..... Let people have opinions, even if you don't agree with them. “Political correctness” gone mad is nothing to do with this... It’s things like suggesting we should use chalk board instead of black board, or we can’t sing baa baa black sheep, or we can’t say Merry Christmas and should instead use Happy Holidays. And what would be so hard about that for you exactly? Its being challenged in the EU courts now that it's offensive to call an item male or female now. Example being listed are male/female threads and couplings. The argument is how do we know it's male or female and so is now being seen as offensive. It's being pushed by those who see sexual identity as only in the mind and no longer a physical attribute. The problem I see with this is it's less object and more subjective. This creates a dilemma as one will constantly be struggling with what others think or see (their view), which then if differs from how you feel in yourself becomes offensive. Remember feelings change and so then can your sexuality from one week/month to another. What do you mean by an item? " I’ve not come across this being challenged in the courts like they are talking about but I would guess it’s things a Male and Female socket... literally as you would imagine, you insert the Male one into the Female one. | |||
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"I loved my golly badges,and I'm sure many girls loved a golly doll. So when and why , did it become offensive to talk about gollies.initially a term of description/endearment ?its always been offensive!! Just like the black n white minstrel show n certain tarzan films !!!oh n certain cowboy films !!! Dont even get me started on disney n popeye n tom n jerry! People enjoyed these things, they were fun entertainment." And people enjoyed Bernard Manning. People enjoyed all sorts of things that are no longer acceptable thank goodness. | |||
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"Political correctness gone mad..... Let people have opinions, even if you don't agree with them. “Political correctness” gone mad is nothing to do with this... It’s things like suggesting we should use chalk board instead of black board, or we can’t sing baa baa black sheep, or we can’t say Merry Christmas and should instead use Happy Holidays. And what would be so hard about that for you exactly? Its being challenged in the EU courts now that it's offensive to call an item male or female now. Example being listed are male/female threads and couplings. The argument is how do we know it's male or female and so is now being seen as offensive. It's being pushed by those who see sexual identity as only in the mind and no longer a physical attribute. The problem I see with this is it's less object and more subjective. This creates a dilemma as one will constantly be struggling with what others think or see (their view), which then if differs from how you feel in yourself becomes offensive. Remember feelings change and so then can your sexuality from one week/month to another. What do you mean by an item? I’ve not come across this being challenged in the courts like they are talking about but I would guess it’s things a Male and Female socket... literally as you would imagine, you insert the Male one into the Female one. " Ah OK, thank you. | |||
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"I loved my golly badges,and I'm sure many girls loved a golly doll. So when and why , did it become offensive to talk about gollies.initially a term of description/endearment ?its always been offensive!! Just like the black n white minstrel show n certain tarzan films !!!oh n certain cowboy films !!! Dont even get me started on disney n popeye n tom n jerry! People enjoyed these things, they were fun entertainment. And people enjoyed Bernard Manning. People enjoyed all sorts of things that are no longer acceptable thank goodness. " Not my personal taste but he had a following. Just let folk enjoy what they choose..... Political correctness not required. | |||
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"I don't really understand why people find it so hard to grasp the concept of people being offended by words or by terms. It's not for the person using them to tell the other person that they're not offended. I can't tell someone else how to feel so I can't tell them not to be offended. It's a little like telling someone that they don't have a broken bone. If I say something that offends someone then I accept my fault and try to learn from that. Is it so difficult to try and recognise that we get things wrong, that times change and thought processes have to adapt? To me, people complaining about how things have 'gone mad' are a little like a driver who can't accept that the road marking have changed; "I've always driven like this, so that's how I'm going to continue". No, that's how you're going to hurt someone. Tea " Beautifully put. | |||
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"I think it’s pretty easy to spot the racist on this thread... I have been looking but spotted one yet.... "You are definitely showing a lack of understanding. | |||
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"I don't really understand why people find it so hard to grasp the concept of people being offended by words or by terms. It's not for the person using them to tell the other person that they're not offended. I can't tell someone else how to feel so I can't tell them not to be offended. It's a little like telling someone that they don't have a broken bone. If I say something that offends someone then I accept my fault and try to learn from that. Is it so difficult to try and recognise that we get things wrong, that times change and thought processes have to adapt? To me, people complaining about how things have 'gone mad' are a little like a driver who can't accept that the road marking have changed; "I've always driven like this, so that's how I'm going to continue". No, that's how you're going to hurt someone. Tea " No I don’t agree at all. I believe a lot of it has gone mad and your comparison is ridiculous. Outrage about a mother kissing her daughter on the lips - madness. Asking babies and toddlers permission to change their nappy even when they can’t talk - madness. The gentleman on here who was called to Human Resources because he held the door open for a woman and she complained - madness. The incident on the tube stairs where a man offered to carry a woman’s pushchair for her and she kicked off about it saying it was sexist - Madness. I could go on forever. | |||
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"I don't really understand why people find it so hard to grasp the concept of people being offended by words or by terms. It's not for the person using them to tell the other person that they're not offended. I can't tell someone else how to feel so I can't tell them not to be offended. It's a little like telling someone that they don't have a broken bone. If I say something that offends someone then I accept my fault and try to learn from that. Is it so difficult to try and recognise that we get things wrong, that times change and thought processes have to adapt? To me, people complaining about how things have 'gone mad' are a little like a driver who can't accept that the road marking have changed; "I've always driven like this, so that's how I'm going to continue". No, that's how you're going to hurt someone. Tea No I don’t agree at all. I believe a lot of it has gone mad and your comparison is ridiculous. Outrage about a mother kissing her daughter on the lips - madness. Asking babies and toddlers permission to change their nappy even when they can’t talk - madness. The gentleman on here who was called to Human Resources because he held the door open for a woman and she complained - madness. The incident on the tube stairs where a man offered to carry a woman’s pushchair for her and she kicked off about it saying it was sexist - Madness. I could go on forever. " Totally agree Nora! Well said | |||
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"They became offensive when people started using the term as an offensive term. The dolls and the badges themselves weren't the problem. It was what came after that was and then they became part of the problem Agree. It's what we do with the information that makes it right or wrong. The blurred lines of that happen when without the full information we make a judgement that the person is being offensive. This may not be the case but rather they are misunderstood. We also now live in a culture of taking offense. It's become accepted that it's becoming our right to take offense. It helps if one is in a minority too as this lends a lot of weight. It’s not ‘a culture of talking offense’ - it’s people finally having the right to say stop to offensive things like cultural appropriation and ‘jokes’ that disparage people’s heritage and culture- either you’re conscious of bias or you’re not Not so long ago it was considered funny to make jokes about domestic violence I suppose the ‘offensive’ part of anything said is subjective and usually very hard for the perpetrator to understand. Not so long ago at a party, a friend of mine bemoaned the fact that her white, privileged, privately educated daughter wasn’t accepted by Oxford. She then said, it wasn’t the year Oxbridge was accepting white girls. She said this in all seriousness to me, mixed race, and my response should’ve been, maybe your daughter didn’t get in because there were better candidates- but the sheer delusion of some people, claiming white victimhood because the traditional privileges are no longer something they can take for granted, truly astonishing. And this in a country where men and women of colour still have to work harder to prove themselves, ALL the time I can’t educate people on here but suggest, if you’re interested in learning something, read a book called ‘Why I won’t talk to white people about race anymore’" Thanks for your post. As a few others have also said, white people don't get to decide what is offensive to black/Asian people. I was too young to articulate it but that damn Golliwog made me so uncomfortable. I grew up being called little black sambo and Mowgli by older neighbours. It's not about being PC or a flower, it's about basic human decency and respect. You'd think an expansive mind would be part of being sexually open but it's absolutely not. How very sad. Perhaps we should make a book list thread for interested parties? | |||
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"I don't really understand why people find it so hard to grasp the concept of people being offended by words or by terms. It's not for the person using them to tell the other person that they're not offended. I can't tell someone else how to feel so I can't tell them not to be offended. It's a little like telling someone that they don't have a broken bone. If I say something that offends someone then I accept my fault and try to learn from that. Is it so difficult to try and recognise that we get things wrong, that times change and thought processes have to adapt? To me, people complaining about how things have 'gone mad' are a little like a driver who can't accept that the road marking have changed; "I've always driven like this, so that's how I'm going to continue". No, that's how you're going to hurt someone. Tea No I don’t agree at all. I believe a lot of it has gone mad and your comparison is ridiculous. Outrage about a mother kissing her daughter on the lips - madness. Asking babies and toddlers permission to change their nappy even when they can’t talk - madness. The gentleman on here who was called to Human Resources because he held the door open for a woman and she complained - madness. The incident on the tube stairs where a man offered to carry a woman’s pushchair for her and she kicked off about it saying it was sexist - Madness. I could go on forever. " I didn't think that you would agree with me. For every example that you've sited though, the person who felt injured by the situation is just as justified in their anger as you feel in yours at the situations. Just because it's you that feels it, it doesn't make it any more 'right' than what they're feeling. Tea | |||
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"I don't really understand why people find it so hard to grasp the concept of people being offended by words or by terms. It's not for the person using them to tell the other person that they're not offended. I can't tell someone else how to feel so I can't tell them not to be offended. It's a little like telling someone that they don't have a broken bone. If I say something that offends someone then I accept my fault and try to learn from that. Is it so difficult to try and recognise that we get things wrong, that times change and thought processes have to adapt? To me, people complaining about how things have 'gone mad' are a little like a driver who can't accept that the road marking have changed; "I've always driven like this, so that's how I'm going to continue". No, that's how you're going to hurt someone. Tea No I don’t agree at all. I believe a lot of it has gone mad and your comparison is ridiculous. Outrage about a mother kissing her daughter on the lips - madness. Asking babies and toddlers permission to change their nappy even when they can’t talk - madness. The gentleman on here who was called to Human Resources because he held the door open for a woman and she complained - madness. The incident on the tube stairs where a man offered to carry a woman’s pushchair for her and she kicked off about it saying it was sexist - Madness. I could go on forever. I didn't think that you would agree with me. For every example that you've sited though, the person who felt injured by the situation is just as justified in their anger as you feel in yours at the situations. Just because it's you that feels it, it doesn't make it any more 'right' than what they're feeling. Tea " Exactly. Individually I may not agree with any of the examples given by Nora, but who am I to tell another human being their own response to a situation. | |||
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"I don't really understand why people find it so hard to grasp the concept of people being offended by words or by terms. It's not for the person using them to tell the other person that they're not offended. I can't tell someone else how to feel so I can't tell them not to be offended. It's a little like telling someone that they don't have a broken bone. If I say something that offends someone then I accept my fault and try to learn from that. Is it so difficult to try and recognise that we get things wrong, that times change and thought processes have to adapt? To me, people complaining about how things have 'gone mad' are a little like a driver who can't accept that the road marking have changed; "I've always driven like this, so that's how I'm going to continue". No, that's how you're going to hurt someone. Tea No I don’t agree at all. I believe a lot of it has gone mad and your comparison is ridiculous. Outrage about a mother kissing her daughter on the lips - madness. Asking babies and toddlers permission to change their nappy even when they can’t talk - madness. The gentleman on here who was called to Human Resources because he held the door open for a woman and she complained - madness. The incident on the tube stairs where a man offered to carry a woman’s pushchair for her and she kicked off about it saying it was sexist - Madness. I could go on forever. I didn't think that you would agree with me. For every example that you've sited though, the person who felt injured by the situation is just as justified in their anger as you feel in yours at the situations. Just because it's you that feels it, it doesn't make it any more 'right' than what they're feeling. Tea " I'm sorry but every single one of those examples the complainer is in the wrong! People now are afraid to help because of victimisation... I hope you never need a hand with anything tbh | |||
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"I don't really understand why people find it so hard to grasp the concept of people being offended by words or by terms. It's not for the person using them to tell the other person that they're not offended. I can't tell someone else how to feel so I can't tell them not to be offended. It's a little like telling someone that they don't have a broken bone. If I say something that offends someone then I accept my fault and try to learn from that. Is it so difficult to try and recognise that we get things wrong, that times change and thought processes have to adapt? To me, people complaining about how things have 'gone mad' are a little like a driver who can't accept that the road marking have changed; "I've always driven like this, so that's how I'm going to continue". No, that's how you're going to hurt someone. Tea No I don’t agree at all. I believe a lot of it has gone mad and your comparison is ridiculous. Outrage about a mother kissing her daughter on the lips - madness. Asking babies and toddlers permission to change their nappy even when they can’t talk - madness. The gentleman on here who was called to Human Resources because he held the door open for a woman and she complained - madness. The incident on the tube stairs where a man offered to carry a woman’s pushchair for her and she kicked off about it saying it was sexist - Madness. I could go on forever. I didn't think that you would agree with me. For every example that you've sited though, the person who felt injured by the situation is just as justified in their anger as you feel in yours at the situations. Just because it's you that feels it, it doesn't make it any more 'right' than what they're feeling. Tea I'm sorry but every single one of those examples the complainer is in the wrong! People now are afraid to help because of victimisation... I hope you never need a hand with anything tbh " “I hope you never need a hand with anything tbh” - wow. | |||
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"I don't really understand why people find it so hard to grasp the concept of people being offended by words or by terms. It's not for the person using them to tell the other person that they're not offended. I can't tell someone else how to feel so I can't tell them not to be offended. It's a little like telling someone that they don't have a broken bone. If I say something that offends someone then I accept my fault and try to learn from that. Is it so difficult to try and recognise that we get things wrong, that times change and thought processes have to adapt? To me, people complaining about how things have 'gone mad' are a little like a driver who can't accept that the road marking have changed; "I've always driven like this, so that's how I'm going to continue". No, that's how you're going to hurt someone. Tea No I don’t agree at all. I believe a lot of it has gone mad and your comparison is ridiculous. Outrage about a mother kissing her daughter on the lips - madness. Asking babies and toddlers permission to change their nappy even when they can’t talk - madness. The gentleman on here who was called to Human Resources because he held the door open for a woman and she complained - madness. The incident on the tube stairs where a man offered to carry a woman’s pushchair for her and she kicked off about it saying it was sexist - Madness. I could go on forever. I didn't think that you would agree with me. For every example that you've sited though, the person who felt injured by the situation is just as justified in their anger as you feel in yours at the situations. Just because it's you that feels it, it doesn't make it any more 'right' than what they're feeling. Tea " You think I’m in the minority with those thoughts? I don’t. We are pandering to the minority because we are too scared not to. I am more offended by the fact that someone would even think anything of a mother kissing her child on the lips other than for what it actual is - a mother kissing her child. That not only offends me it disturbs me the fact that would even cross someone’s mind. | |||
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"And you wonder why I hold Political Correctness in contempt......??!!" Is it because you don't like being kind to people? | |||
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"Just some food for thought... If you're ever about to type "political correctness" try replacing it in your head with "being kind to people." So "this political correctness nonsense" would actually parse as "this being kind to people nonsense." It can really put things in perspective." This right here . | |||
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"I don't really understand why people find it so hard to grasp the concept of people being offended by words or by terms. It's not for the person using them to tell the other person that they're not offended. I can't tell someone else how to feel so I can't tell them not to be offended. It's a little like telling someone that they don't have a broken bone. If I say something that offends someone then I accept my fault and try to learn from that. Is it so difficult to try and recognise that we get things wrong, that times change and thought processes have to adapt? To me, people complaining about how things have 'gone mad' are a little like a driver who can't accept that the road marking have changed; "I've always driven like this, so that's how I'm going to continue". No, that's how you're going to hurt someone. Tea No I don’t agree at all. I believe a lot of it has gone mad and your comparison is ridiculous. Outrage about a mother kissing her daughter on the lips - madness. Asking babies and toddlers permission to change their nappy even when they can’t talk - madness. The gentleman on here who was called to Human Resources because he held the door open for a woman and she complained - madness. The incident on the tube stairs where a man offered to carry a woman’s pushchair for her and she kicked off about it saying it was sexist - Madness. I could go on forever. " Hard to accept change isn’t it when you’ve never had to think twice about what you say and do - that doesn’t make it ‘madness’ - that just makes it awkward and difficult ... for you | |||
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"And you wonder why I hold Political Correctness in contempt......??!! Is it because you don't like being kind to people?" What has being kind to people to do with Political Correctness? I would submit....nothing. | |||
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"And you wonder why I hold Political Correctness in contempt......??!! Is it because you don't like being kind to people? What has being kind to people to do with Political Correctness? I would submit....nothing." I would suggest you look up the definition. Political correctness is being considerate of others so yes in other words being kind. | |||
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"And you wonder why I hold Political Correctness in contempt......??!! Is it because you don't like being kind to people? What has being kind to people to do with Political Correctness? I would submit....nothing." If you look at the history of the term political correctness in the 80s. The term refers to a preference for inclusive language and avoiding language or behavior that can be seen as excluding, marginalizing, or insulting groups of people considered disadvantaged or discriminated against, especially groups defined by sex or race. So for me it is about kindness and not making people feel less because they may be different to another group of people | |||
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"I don't really understand why people find it so hard to grasp the concept of people being offended by words or by terms. It's not for the person using them to tell the other person that they're not offended. I can't tell someone else how to feel so I can't tell them not to be offended. It's a little like telling someone that they don't have a broken bone. If I say something that offends someone then I accept my fault and try to learn from that. Is it so difficult to try and recognise that we get things wrong, that times change and thought processes have to adapt? To me, people complaining about how things have 'gone mad' are a little like a driver who can't accept that the road marking have changed; "I've always driven like this, so that's how I'm going to continue". No, that's how you're going to hurt someone. Tea No I don’t agree at all. I believe a lot of it has gone mad and your comparison is ridiculous. Outrage about a mother kissing her daughter on the lips - madness. Asking babies and toddlers permission to change their nappy even when they can’t talk - madness. The gentleman on here who was called to Human Resources because he held the door open for a woman and she complained - madness. The incident on the tube stairs where a man offered to carry a woman’s pushchair for her and she kicked off about it saying it was sexist - Madness. I could go on forever. Hard to accept change isn’t it when you’ve never had to think twice about what you say and do - that doesn’t make it ‘madness’ - that just makes it awkward and difficult ... for you " Not at all. My life is neither awkward or difficult because I’m happy to get on with it without feeling the need to get offended by everything or looking for something to be offended by. | |||
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"Personally I have no issue with golliwogs and have had a few talks like this including my father who's alot darker than me and we have agreed the word racist or racism are shoved down peoples throat alot more nowadays not because people are more tolerant nowadays but because people now a days want to seem more open minded because I can guarantee alot of coloured folk have owned a golliwog as its a doll and isn't the problem my personal veiw most people don't agree with but I don't mind what's considered a racist joke as long as its a joke and not used to offend or in anger as often I'm the first to make one as my farther taught me if u take away there power they are just words. "This is the dumbest shit I've read soo far . Wtf lol . A racist joke is just that. Racist . What coloured folk are you referring to white folks ,brown ,black? Last I checked we all are different colours. | |||
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"My black African born grandparents use to love the Black and White Minstrel show. They knew it was a bit of a piss-take but still enjoyed the songs and the jokes. To them in Nigeria, it seemed like just another entertainment show and there were precious few of those available on TV in the 70's/80's that they could receive. They only found out it was "offensive" when a white person told them it was "That’s a fair point. I’m not sure it subtracts from any person of colour who didn’t enjoy it and did find it problematic. | |||
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"Let me give you my perspective. As a mixed race kid growing up in the 79s and early 80s I rarely saw any black English people on TV, unless they were playing to a stereotype (Love Thy Neighbour, Mind Your Language) or were in the Black and White Minstrals. Black toys were a rarity unless they were imported from the US,or you had the Gollywog. Imagine if the above were the only representations you could find of people like you. Gross caricatures. Imagine how it feels to be called Golly, or Wog, or worse from a young age. My mum and dad actually moved house from Ilford because the neighbour thought it was ok to call my brother Gollywog over the garden fence. So yes, I'm not a fan of the Golly. As a postscript, I noticed a fair few gollys in the gift shops of Scarborough and Bridlington last week. Nice. " This is a really interesting perspective. One of my closest “real life” friends is a white woman. She is married to a black man. In their words they have “brown babies”. They have gone out of their way to source toys with different skin colours (the husband even going to the lengths of painting the skin of an elf on the shelf doll!) to ensure a healthy representation of different colours in their house. It’s defonitely improved since when you grew up but it’s nowhere near where it should be! | |||
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"I don't really understand why people find it so hard to grasp the concept of people being offended by words or by terms. It's not for the person using them to tell the other person that they're not offended. I can't tell someone else how to feel so I can't tell them not to be offended. It's a little like telling someone that they don't have a broken bone. If I say something that offends someone then I accept my fault and try to learn from that. Is it so difficult to try and recognise that we get things wrong, that times change and thought processes have to adapt? To me, people complaining about how things have 'gone mad' are a little like a driver who can't accept that the road marking have changed; "I've always driven like this, so that's how I'm going to continue". No, that's how you're going to hurt someone. Tea No I don’t agree at all. I believe a lot of it has gone mad and your comparison is ridiculous. Outrage about a mother kissing her daughter on the lips - madness. Asking babies and toddlers permission to change their nappy even when they can’t talk - madness. The gentleman on here who was called to Human Resources because he held the door open for a woman and she complained - madness. The incident on the tube stairs where a man offered to carry a woman’s pushchair for her and she kicked off about it saying it was sexist - Madness. I could go on forever. I didn't think that you would agree with me. For every example that you've sited though, the person who felt injured by the situation is just as justified in their anger as you feel in yours at the situations. Just because it's you that feels it, it doesn't make it any more 'right' than what they're feeling. Tea You think I’m in the minority with those thoughts? I don’t. We are pandering to the minority because we are too scared not to. I am more offended by the fact that someone would even think anything of a mother kissing her child on the lips other than for what it actual is - a mother kissing her child. That not only offends me it disturbs me the fact that would even cross someone’s mind. " And I agree with you on that point and I will always hold doors open and offer to help people if I see they need it. The point that I'm making though is that I can't tell someone not to be offended, I don't know their 'story'. I just try and act with good intentions and clarify or learn if I was wrong. It's the entrenched 'it's always been this way', that causes problems. Tea | |||
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"I don't really understand why people find it so hard to grasp the concept of people being offended by words or by terms. It's not for the person using them to tell the other person that they're not offended. I can't tell someone else how to feel so I can't tell them not to be offended. It's a little like telling someone that they don't have a broken bone. If I say something that offends someone then I accept my fault and try to learn from that. Is it so difficult to try and recognise that we get things wrong, that times change and thought processes have to adapt? To me, people complaining about how things have 'gone mad' are a little like a driver who can't accept that the road marking have changed; "I've always driven like this, so that's how I'm going to continue". No, that's how you're going to hurt someone. Tea No I don’t agree at all. I believe a lot of it has gone mad and your comparison is ridiculous. Outrage about a mother kissing her daughter on the lips - madness. Asking babies and toddlers permission to change their nappy even when they can’t talk - madness. The gentleman on here who was called to Human Resources because he held the door open for a woman and she complained - madness. The incident on the tube stairs where a man offered to carry a woman’s pushchair for her and she kicked off about it saying it was sexist - Madness. I could go on forever. I didn't think that you would agree with me. For every example that you've sited though, the person who felt injured by the situation is just as justified in their anger as you feel in yours at the situations. Just because it's you that feels it, it doesn't make it any more 'right' than what they're feeling. Tea You think I’m in the minority with those thoughts? I don’t. We are pandering to the minority because we are too scared not to. I am more offended by the fact that someone would even think anything of a mother kissing her child on the lips other than for what it actual is - a mother kissing her child. That not only offends me it disturbs me the fact that would even cross someone’s mind. And I agree with you on that point and I will always hold doors open and offer to help people if I see they need it. The point that I'm making though is that I can't tell someone not to be offended, I don't know their 'story'. I just try and act with good intentions and clarify or learn if I was wrong. It's the entrenched 'it's always been this way', that causes problems. Tea " Or those that say ”come on, it was just a joke” Maybe funny for you, but not for me. | |||
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"Not in the least offensive ever ......just part of this political correctness nonsense...!!! " You have never heard the term w*g use in a pejorative manner? | |||
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"Are we now not allowed to be offensive? Is our right to be offensive how been removed? Have we now got to be nice to everyone? " Is there any point in being offensive? Does it make you happy? Do you achieve anything? | |||
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"Personally I have no issue with golliwogs and have had a few talks like this including my father who's alot darker than me and we have agreed the word racist or racism are shoved down peoples throat alot more nowadays not because people are more tolerant nowadays but because people now a days want to seem more open minded because I can guarantee alot of coloured folk have owned a golliwog as its a doll and isn't the problem my personal veiw most people don't agree with but I don't mind what's considered a racist joke as long as its a joke and not used to offend or in anger as often I'm the first to make one as my farther taught me if u take away there power they are just words.
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"Are we now not allowed to be offensive? Is our right to be offensive how been removed? Have we now got to be nice to everyone? " I would try my hardest to be nice, why would anybody want to be offensive on purpose? | |||
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"Are we now not allowed to be offensive? Is our right to be offensive how been removed? Have we now got to be nice to everyone? " Yes the right to be racist has been removed. Because that is what this thread is about! | |||
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"Are we now not allowed to be offensive? Is our right to be offensive how been removed? Have we now got to be nice to everyone? " No, you can be offensive. Thing is I can say you’re not very nice if you are. | |||
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"Are we now not allowed to be offensive? Is our right to be offensive how been removed? Have we now got to be nice to everyone? " Why would you want to be offensive? | |||
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"Are we now not allowed to be offensive? Is our right to be offensive how been removed? Have we now got to be nice to everyone? Why would you want to be offensive?" Exactly, don’t get this. I bet they’d have something to say if I was offensive to them, perhaps if I spoke offensively of their profile? I never would because I believe in empathy. | |||
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"Are we now not allowed to be offensive? Is our right to be offensive how been removed? Have we now got to be nice to everyone? " Why would you want to be offensive to people is the question I would ask | |||
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"Are we now not allowed to be offensive? Is our right to be offensive how been removed? Have we now got to be nice to everyone? Why would you want to be offensive? Exactly, don’t get this. I bet they’d have something to say if I was offensive to them, perhaps if I spoke offensively of their profile? I never would because I believe in empathy." And forum rules!! | |||
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"I loved my golly badges,and I'm sure many girls loved a golly doll. So when and why , did it become offensive to talk about gollies.initially a term of description/endearment ?" About 40+ year's ago it's not 1960 anymore | |||
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"Are we now not allowed to be offensive? Is our right to be offensive how been removed? Have we now got to be nice to everyone? Why would you want to be offensive? Exactly, don’t get this. I bet they’d have something to say if I was offensive to them, perhaps if I spoke offensively of their profile? I never would because I believe in empathy. And forum rules!! " obviously, but those rules are there for that reason. Or is that the PC brigade overreacting? I think not. | |||
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"Are we now not allowed to be offensive? Is our right to be offensive how been removed? Have we now got to be nice to everyone? Why would you want to be offensive? Exactly, don’t get this. I bet they’d have something to say if I was offensive to them, perhaps if I spoke offensively of their profile? I never would because I believe in empathy." Exactly! It costs nothing to be nice! | |||
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"When did they become offensive? When people discovered there was money,jobs/careers,celebrity to be achieved.....from being offended " No it was always offensive, things changed when people started to say that behaviour was not right and people should be treated with respect | |||
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"Not in the least offensive ever ......just part of this political correctness nonsense...!!! says the white person......... why am i not the least be surprise to have this uttered "To be honest these threads recently are getting old, chocolate, bbc, black only whites only and now golly wogs. I tried to defend and now I'm just.. Whats the point.. They all have something in common they never end well. | |||
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"Personally I don't find them offensive (maybe because of the shoes I'm standing in). As far as I can see despite some of the connotations you can draw from their historical origin they are not used, adored, played with in a negative way. I think we need to be sensible and not throw the baby out with the bathwater or let cynicism smoother innocence. I am not comfortable with whitewashing the past or tarnishing the innocence that these figures (whatever their more sinister background) have been enjoyed with. However it is also important to understand their history, the wider history context and why some may find them offence. What I think we need to do is veiw these figures in a balanced way that reflects the many angles to this debate. Personally they don't offend me and I wouldn't what to see a toy/character that has been innocently enjoyed by so many for years removed or banded (When used with inocent intent). But neither do I think their mass further production or propagation in culture is a great thing either given the history context that we now are more aware of. They are of there time, used prominently of innocent intent but they are not something we should continue to push and replicate going into the future. " A white person who's not offended by something offensive to black people lol As a black women who uses this site this thread is a GREAT filter | |||
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"Are we now not allowed to be offensive? Is our right to be offensive how been removed? Have we now got to be nice to everyone? Why would you want to be offensive?" I did not say I wanted to be offensive but some people do.Is their right to be offensive not worth defending? | |||
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"Personally I don't find them offensive (maybe because of the shoes I'm standing in). As far as I can see despite some of the connotations you can draw from their historical origin they are not used, adored, played with in a negative way. I think we need to be sensible and not throw the baby out with the bathwater or let cynicism smoother innocence. I am not comfortable with whitewashing the past or tarnishing the innocence that these figures (whatever their more sinister background) have been enjoyed with. However it is also important to understand their history, the wider history context and why some may find them offence. What I think we need to do is veiw these figures in a balanced way that reflects the many angles to this debate. Personally they don't offend me and I wouldn't what to see a toy/character that has been innocently enjoyed by so many for years removed or banded (When used with inocent intent). But neither do I think their mass further production or propagation in culture is a great thing either given the history context that we now are more aware of. They are of there time, used prominently of innocent intent but they are not something we should continue to push and replicate going into the future. A white person who's not offended by something offensive to black people lol As a black women who uses this site this thread is a GREAT filter " Oh I think it's been a great filter for a lot of people. | |||
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"Are we now not allowed to be offensive? Is our right to be offensive how been removed? Have we now got to be nice to everyone? Why would you want to be offensive?I did not say I wanted to be offensive but some people do.Is their right to be offensive not worth defending? " No! | |||
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"Are we now not allowed to be offensive? Is our right to be offensive how been removed? Have we now got to be nice to everyone? Why would you want to be offensive?I did not say I wanted to be offensive but some people do.Is their right to be offensive not worth defending? " Not when there offensive comments are hate filled against a group of people no. | |||
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"Are we now not allowed to be offensive? Is our right to be offensive how been removed? Have we now got to be nice to everyone? Why would you want to be offensive?I did not say I wanted to be offensive but some people do.Is their right to be offensive not worth defending? " I’m sorry, but I find this difficult to follow. Why would a person want to be offensive? | |||
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"Personally I have no issue with golliwogs and have had a few talks like this including my father who's alot darker than me and we have agreed the word racist or racism are shoved down peoples throat alot more nowadays not because people are more tolerant nowadays but because people now a days want to seem more open minded because I can guarantee alot of coloured folk have owned a golliwog as its a doll and isn't the problem my personal veiw most people don't agree with but I don't mind what's considered a racist joke as long as its a joke and not used to offend or in anger as often I'm the first to make one as my farther taught me if u take away there power they are just words. "Did this make sense in your head? So people are allowed to be racist as long as they're joking ? Wow | |||
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"Are we now not allowed to be offensive? Is our right to be offensive how been removed? Have we now got to be nice to everyone? Why would you want to be offensive?I did not say I wanted to be offensive but some people do.Is their right to be offensive not worth defending? " Ok. Same question then. Why would someone want to be offensive? It makes zero sense to me | |||
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"Speaking as a white foreign woman who's in a mixed relationship having given birth and raised two beautiful black children. I have to say.... I have never experienced as much racism in my life as I have done in the forum's. Every single day there is yet another thread about race and racism or preference being racist and so on... It's tiresome and quite frankly boring the heck out of me. Gollywogs now .. really !!! What next ... N****r, cr****r and p**i posts !!! Are these threads actually just put up to instigate a reaction... Well here's one ..... " I find these threads useful as a filter - and summarily block these individuals. | |||
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"Speaking as a white foreign woman who's in a mixed relationship having given birth and raised two beautiful black children. I have to say.... I have never experienced as much racism in my life as I have done in the forum's. Every single day there is yet another thread about race and racism or preference being racist and so on... It's tiresome and quite frankly boring the heck out of me. Gollywogs now .. really !!! What next ... N****r, cr****r and p**i posts !!! Are these threads actually just put up to instigate a reaction... Well here's one ..... I find these threads useful as a filter - and summarily block these individuals. "Snap! | |||
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"Are we now not allowed to be offensive? Is our right to be offensive how been removed? Have we now got to be nice to everyone? Why would you want to be offensive?I did not say I wanted to be offensive but some people do.Is their right to be offensive not worth defending? I’m sorry, but I find this difficult to follow. Why would a person want to be offensive?" Why would a person want to swing. | |||
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"Are we now not allowed to be offensive? Is our right to be offensive how been removed? Have we now got to be nice to everyone? Why would you want to be offensive?I did not say I wanted to be offensive but some people do.Is their right to be offensive not worth defending? I’m sorry, but I find this difficult to follow. Why would a person want to be offensive? Why would a person want to swing. " Yep. Totally the same argument | |||
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"Speaking as a white foreign woman who's in a mixed relationship having given birth and raised two beautiful black children. I have to say.... I have never experienced as much racism in my life as I have done in the forum's. Every single day there is yet another thread about race and racism or preference being racist and so on... It's tiresome and quite frankly boring the heck out of me. Gollywogs now .. really !!! What next ... N****r, cr****r and p**i posts !!! Are these threads actually just put up to instigate a reaction... Well here's one ..... I find these threads useful as a filter - and summarily block these individuals. "Oh absolutely | |||
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"Are we now not allowed to be offensive? Is our right to be offensive how been removed? Have we now got to be nice to everyone? Why would you want to be offensive?I did not say I wanted to be offensive but some people do.Is their right to be offensive not worth defending? I’m sorry, but I find this difficult to follow. Why would a person want to be offensive? Why would a person want to swing. " Not even comparable! | |||
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"I loved my golly badges,and I'm sure many girls loved a golly doll. So when and why , did it become offensive to talk about gollies.initially a term of description/endearment ?" I'd love to know when this (your badges) has come up in any kind of conversation in the real world.... | |||
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"Speaking as a white foreign woman who's in a mixed relationship having given birth and raised two beautiful black children. I have to say.... I have never experienced as much racism in my life as I have done in the forum's. Every single day there is yet another thread about race and racism or preference being racist and so on... It's tiresome and quite frankly boring the heck out of me. Gollywogs now .. really !!! What next ... N****r, cr****r and p**i posts !!! Are these threads actually just put up to instigate a reaction... Well here's one ..... I find these threads useful as a filter - and summarily block these individuals.
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"Are we now not allowed to be offensive? Is our right to be offensive how been removed? Have we now got to be nice to everyone? Why would you want to be offensive?I did not say I wanted to be offensive but some people do.Is their right to be offensive not worth defending? I’m sorry, but I find this difficult to follow. Why would a person want to be offensive? Why would a person want to swing. Not even comparable! " To some it is very offensive to others it is very normally. Are they not allowed to be offended by it? | |||
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"Are we now not allowed to be offensive? Is our right to be offensive how been removed? Have we now got to be nice to everyone? Why would you want to be offensive?I did not say I wanted to be offensive but some people do.Is their right to be offensive not worth defending? I’m sorry, but I find this difficult to follow. Why would a person want to be offensive? Why would a person want to swing. Not even comparable! To some it is very offensive to others it is very normally. Are they not allowed to be offended by it? " Not liking or understanding swinging is hardly the same as being deliberately offensive to someone. | |||
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"Are we now not allowed to be offensive? Is our right to be offensive how been removed? Have we now got to be nice to everyone? Why would you want to be offensive?I did not say I wanted to be offensive but some people do.Is their right to be offensive not worth defending? " I think that you're straying into freedom of speech there. Yes, you can be offensive if you want to be but remember that freedom of speech doesn't defend you against the consequences of that speech. Tea | |||
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"Are we now not allowed to be offensive? Is our right to be offensive how been removed? Have we now got to be nice to everyone? Why would you want to be offensive?I did not say I wanted to be offensive but some people do.Is their right to be offensive not worth defending? I’m sorry, but I find this difficult to follow. Why would a person want to be offensive? Why would a person want to swing. Not even comparable! " Oh hello again  | |||
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"Are we now not allowed to be offensive? Is our right to be offensive how been removed? Have we now got to be nice to everyone? Why would you want to be offensive?I did not say I wanted to be offensive but some people do.Is their right to be offensive not worth defending? I think that you're straying into freedom of speech there. Yes, you can be offensive if you want to be but remember that freedom of speech doesn't defend you against the consequences of that speech. Tea" Well put. | |||
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"Are we now not allowed to be offensive? Is our right to be offensive how been removed? Have we now got to be nice to everyone? Why would you want to be offensive?I did not say I wanted to be offensive but some people do.Is their right to be offensive not worth defending? I think that you're straying into freedom of speech there. Yes, you can be offensive if you want to be but remember that freedom of speech doesn't defend you against the consequences of that speech. Tea" Absolutely. See we do agree sometimes xx | |||
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"I don't really understand why people find it so hard to grasp the concept of people being offended by words or by terms. It's not for the person using them to tell the other person that they're not offended. I can't tell someone else how to feel so I can't tell them not to be offended. It's a little like telling someone that they don't have a broken bone. If I say something that offends someone then I accept my fault and try to learn from that. Is it so difficult to try and recognise that we get things wrong, that times change and thought processes have to adapt? To me, people complaining about how things have 'gone mad' are a little like a driver who can't accept that the road marking have changed; "I've always driven like this, so that's how I'm going to continue". No, that's how you're going to hurt someone. Tea " Unfortunately it doesn't quite work like that. I don't like the n word i think it should be stopped from being used so it can die out of the language. But i certainly cannot tell people to stop using it. I think equality is important and people need to stop looking at things in groups, racial, sexual, whatever and start looking at everyone as people and a community. | |||
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"I do hope this thread doesn't get taken down. It's a very good example of ignorance . And might actually educate some. I know that since moving from London down to Portsmouth area I have been astounded by the racism still prevalent in this area." It’s so depressing - the fact that this thread is even a thing There’s no such thing as progress I feel on race issues, just a constant battle against bigotry and ignorance and gleeful delight by some in knowing that you can cause people pain without fear of consequence - white people have no business telling people what they should find offensive AND if they’re told that something is offensive, have the good grace and decency to stop whatever it is - if you’re offended, well then, good | |||
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"Speaking as a white foreign woman who's in a mixed relationship having given birth and raised two beautiful black children. I have to say.... I have never experienced as much racism in my life as I have done in the forum's. Every single day there is yet another thread about race and racism or preference being racist and so on... It's tiresome and quite frankly boring the heck out of me. Gollywogs now .. really !!! What next ... N****r, cr****r and p**i posts !!! Are these threads actually just put up to instigate a reaction... Well here's one ..... I find these threads useful as a filter - and summarily block these individuals. "Very, I've just gone over the whole thread and blocked those who's views do not align with my own. Not that they would have tried to message me anyways seen as I am quite clearly not what they would be after. | |||
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"Are we now not allowed to be offensive? Is our right to be offensive how been removed? Have we now got to be nice to everyone? Why would you want to be offensive?I did not say I wanted to be offensive but some people do.Is their right to be offensive not worth defending? I’m sorry, but I find this difficult to follow. Why would a person want to be offensive? Why would a person want to swing. Not even comparable! To some it is very offensive to others it is very normally. Are they not allowed to be offended by it? Not liking or understanding swinging is hardly the same as being deliberately offensive to someone. "Can the same not be said about two men or women kissing in the street.They have not set out to deliberately offend anyone. To them it is normal part of their life but because some people do not understand homosexuality their action offend. | |||
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"Speaking as a white foreign woman who's in a mixed relationship having given birth and raised two beautiful black children. I have to say.... I have never experienced as much racism in my life as I have done in the forum's. Every single day there is yet another thread about race and racism or preference being racist and so on... It's tiresome and quite frankly boring the heck out of me. Gollywogs now .. really !!! What next ... N****r, cr****r and p**i posts !!! Are these threads actually just put up to instigate a reaction... Well here's one ..... " Threads like this are one of the reasons I don't even bother coming on this site anymore. Yes, everyone is entitled to their own opinions but as one sage person stated earlier on; language evolves (unlike some of the people here!). The Spastic society changed their name to Scope. I guess for some on here that would be too PC, should we still be calling disabled people spastics? I adore a good debate but one that denigrates others or asks questions that could easily be answered via google just exposes the crassness, stupidity and base ulterior motives of the original questioner. | |||
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