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By *eclanH OP Man
over a year ago
Liphook |
I suspect I may be in the minority. I generally prefer it when people do not wear makeup.
What’s your preference?
And if you’re a makeup wearer, do you like it, does it make you feel more beautiful / comfortable, would you rather not wear makeup? |
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By *eclanH OP Man
over a year ago
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"I hear this all the time from men. Then some over the top woman walks past them, made up like cosmetic counter staff, and their tongue hangs out  "
There may be more going on there than just make up.
Also, I was careful to say, generally.  |
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over a year ago
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I wear it for me but I'm happy enough with my face without it to go bare faced. I always take my makeup off on a meet at sleep time. I tend to go natural makeup anyway. But I love mascara.
I hate the false eyelash, injected lip, disco highlighter look that a lot of early 20s wear. |
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By *eclanH OP Man
over a year ago
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"I wear it for me but I'm happy enough with my face without it to go bare faced. I always take my makeup off on a meet at sleep time. I tend to go natural makeup anyway. But I love mascara.
I hate the false eyelash, injected lip, disco highlighter look that a lot of early 20s wear. "
Agreed. Excessive cosmetics is rather off-putting. Just like the spray-tan bronze look. Don’t get it. |
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I don't go out the door without lippy on.
But only because it makes me feel better.
If its OH I don't mind so much but if I go on a social or we meet I want to make an effort. Of course, with any luck its all off before long.... 
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By *eclanH OP Man
over a year ago
Liphook |
"I don't go out the door without lippy on.
But only because it makes me feel better.
If its OH I don't mind so much but if I go on a social or we meet I want to make an effort. Of course, with any luck its all off before long....
Jo x"
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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago
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"I wear make up.
If not I either look like a small boy or the woman who feeds the birds in Mary Poppins. There is no middle ground.
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Tuppence, tuppence, tuppence a bag
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over a year ago
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"I wear make up.
If not I either look like a small boy or the woman who feeds the birds in Mary Poppins. There is no middle ground.
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Tuppence, tuppence, tuppence a bag
Is now my new ear worm!! "
When you're sick of that one ....
Higitis figitis zumbakazing
I want your attention everything
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I like wearing make up, if I didn't I just wouldn't wear it. .
I won't even go out in the garden without lipstick on.
I don't feel under pressure to wear it and I absolutely do look better with it on. I'm not tricking anyone either, if I meet from fab I will have make up on and am unlikely to remove it during the meet, so what you see is absolutely is what you're getting |
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By *ippa 63TV/TS
over a year ago
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"I suspect I may be in the minority. I generally prefer it when people do not wear makeup.
What’s your preference?
And if you’re a makeup wearer, do you like it, does it make you feel more beautiful / comfortable, would you rather not wear makeup?"
I need all the help i can lol. I try to as natural as i can. Only others can judge that.
Wearing make up does give me more confidence. Sorry if your thread was not intended for the likes of me. Thought i would try to put a different perspective on it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Never wear it in the day, even at work, but like to put a bit on if I'm going out. Just mascara and lipstick mainly. It always felt cloggy and itchy on my face x |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I suspect I may be in the minority. I generally prefer it when people do not wear makeup.
What’s your preference?
And if you’re a makeup wearer, do you like it, does it make you feel more beautiful / comfortable, would you rather not wear makeup?
I need all the help i can lol. I try to as natural as i can. Only others can judge that.
Wearing make up does give me more confidence. Sorry if your thread was not intended for the likes of me. Thought i would try to put a different perspective on it."
For the likes of you ? Your views are as important as the rest of us gobby lot |
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By *eclanH OP Man
over a year ago
Liphook |
"I like wearing make up, if I didn't I just wouldn't wear it. .
I won't even go out in the garden without lipstick on.
I don't feel under pressure to wear it and I absolutely do look better with it on. I'm not tricking anyone either, if I meet from fab I will have make up on and am unlikely to remove it during the meet, so what you see is absolutely is what you're getting "
As it should be. There’s no right or wrong about wearing makeup, so long as it’s the person’s happy choice to wear it or not.
Also worth saying that I don’t dislike makeup (unless it’s truly excessive), it’s just that I softly prefer no or little makeup. |
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By *eclanH OP Man
over a year ago
Liphook |
"I suspect I may be in the minority. I generally prefer it when people do not wear makeup.
What’s your preference?
And if you’re a makeup wearer, do you like it, does it make you feel more beautiful / comfortable, would you rather not wear makeup?
I need all the help i can lol. I try to as natural as i can. Only others can judge that.
Wearing make up does give me more confidence. Sorry if your thread was not intended for the likes of me. Thought i would try to put a different perspective on it."
Of course, thanks for your thoughts. Why would it not be for ‘the likes of’ you?
Note my careful avoidance of saying ‘women’, but person. |
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"I like wearing make up, if I didn't I just wouldn't wear it. .
I won't even go out in the garden without lipstick on.
I don't feel under pressure to wear it and I absolutely do look better with it on. I'm not tricking anyone either, if I meet from fab I will have make up on and am unlikely to remove it during the meet, so what you see is absolutely is what you're getting
As it should be. There’s no right or wrong about wearing makeup, so long as it’s the person’s happy choice to wear it or not.
Also worth saying that I don’t dislike makeup (unless it’s truly excessive), it’s just that I softly prefer no or little makeup."
Yep, lots of men do. |
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By *pider-WomanWoman
over a year ago
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"I wear it all the time. I wouldn’t even go tescos without it.
Really that surprises me.
Haha are you being sarky Ms S "
Me no never. Actually I thought you where a natural women dont know why.
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I don't wear makeup on a day to day basis but do like to for a night out or a special occasion.
Two reasons...
I am very short sighted, so need to be wearing contact lenses to see to put makeup on properly. Happy in my glasses generally.
It's nice to make an effort when I go out and I like the transformation of makeup. Though I think I look fine without it. |
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I enjoy makeup and wear it for myself, when I want to. I'm bare faced for chores, gym, etc and apply the bits I want to when I want to.
I'm told I wear subtle minimal makeup, but it's truer to say that I know how the rules apply to my own face, and unless you look closely and you know what you're looking for, it flies under the radar. My preferred style isn't the preferred style of most women around me.
Most guys (not picking on you OP) do prefer some makeup, but they don't realise what they're looking at. |
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"I enjoy makeup and wear it for myself, when I want to. I'm bare faced for chores, gym, etc and apply the bits I want to when I want to.
I'm told I wear subtle minimal makeup, but it's truer to say that I know how the rules apply to my own face, and unless you look closely and you know what you're looking for, it flies under the radar. My preferred style isn't the preferred style of most women around me.
Most guys (not picking on you OP) do prefer some makeup, but they don't realise what they're looking at. "
I'd say you're right there. |
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over a year ago
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I find doing my make-up very therapeutic. I adore make-up.
I have pretty serious body image issue and I spent years feeling like I needed to wear make-up all the time, I couldn't leave the house without it on.
Recently I've been wearing pretty much no make-up to work: just lipstick and mascara. And I feel really good about it.
I think make-up is an art. And women do look beautiful with it and use it the express themselves, but its important not to feel its a necessity. |
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over a year ago
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"I wear it all the time. I wouldn’t even go tescos without it.
No sure why, but I’m also a bit surprised by that."
Really!? I don’t cake it on but yeah always. And the only time in 30 years my nails and toes haven’t been painted was when I was in hospital having my children. I just always have. Don’t really think about it |
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"I find doing my make-up very therapeutic. I adore make-up.
I have pretty serious body image issue and I spent years feeling like I needed to wear make-up all the time, I couldn't leave the house without it on.
Recently I've been wearing pretty much no make-up to work: just lipstick and mascara. And I feel really good about it.
I think make-up is an art. And women do look beautiful with it and use it the express themselves, but its important not to feel its a necessity. "
I got into makeup as art and self expression. I was afraid of it for a long time because I didn't know how to Do It Properly and Be a Proper Grown Up. Fuck that noise. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I have probably worn make up once in every 4 years of my life! Never felt the need and literally most of the guys I have ever known in my life (which is loads as I work in an all male environment and all my hobbies have been very male orientated) when this subject arises say they much prefer no make up!! Always has shocked me really though I've also never understood the need for it! |
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By *eclanH OP Man
over a year ago
Liphook |
"I enjoy makeup and wear it for myself, when I want to. I'm bare faced for chores, gym, etc and apply the bits I want to when I want to.
I'm told I wear subtle minimal makeup, but it's truer to say that I know how the rules apply to my own face, and unless you look closely and you know what you're looking for, it flies under the radar. My preferred style isn't the preferred style of most women around me.
Most guys (not picking on you OP) do prefer some makeup, but they don't realise what they're looking at. "
Well said, and insightful about men not knowing. Yeah, like I mentioned, I’m probably in the minority. Here.
The key thing, like you said, is that you do it for yourself. That’s the important bit, with or without, that you do what you want without having to pay a penalty of judgement for it. |
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By *oxy_minxWoman
over a year ago
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"I wear it all the time. I wouldn’t even go tescos without it. "
Same here! I love my makeup and have done since I was 14, I wear it for me and me alone, and I don't go for the natural look |
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over a year ago
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"I wear it all the time. I wouldn’t even go tescos without it.
Same here! I love my makeup and have done since I was 14, I wear it for me and me alone, and I don't go for the natural look "
Oh yeah for myself definitely. If someone told me to I wouldn’t  . Not that I’m stubborn |
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By *eclanH OP Man
over a year ago
Liphook |
"I find doing my make-up very therapeutic. I adore make-up.
I have pretty serious body image issue and I spent years feeling like I needed to wear make-up all the time, I couldn't leave the house without it on.
Recently I've been wearing pretty much no make-up to work: just lipstick and mascara. And I feel really good about it.
I think make-up is an art. And women do look beautiful with it and use it the express themselves, but its important not to feel its a necessity. "
Well said. |
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"I enjoy makeup and wear it for myself, when I want to. I'm bare faced for chores, gym, etc and apply the bits I want to when I want to.
I'm told I wear subtle minimal makeup, but it's truer to say that I know how the rules apply to my own face, and unless you look closely and you know what you're looking for, it flies under the radar. My preferred style isn't the preferred style of most women around me.
Most guys (not picking on you OP) do prefer some makeup, but they don't realise what they're looking at.
Well said, and insightful about men not knowing. Yeah, like I mentioned, I’m probably in the minority. Here.
The key thing, like you said, is that you do it for yourself. That’s the important bit, with or without, that you do what you want without having to pay a penalty of judgement for it."
Sometimes I get judged. I don't care, lol. |
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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago
There and to the left a bit |
"I wear make up.
If not I either look like a small boy or the woman who feeds the birds in Mary Poppins. There is no middle ground.
P
Tuppence, tuppence, tuppence a bag
Is now my new ear worm!!
When you're sick of that one ....
Higitis figitis zumbakazing
I want your attention everything
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By *eclanH OP Man
over a year ago
Liphook |
"I wear it all the time. I wouldn’t even go tescos without it.
No sure why, but I’m also a bit surprised by that.
Really!? I don’t cake it on but yeah always. And the only time in 30 years my nails and toes haven’t been painted was when I was in hospital having my children. I just always have. Don’t really think about it "
I don’t know you, so I’m wondering why I was a bit surprised.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I suspect I may be in the minority. I generally prefer it when people do not wear makeup.
What’s your preference?
And if you’re a makeup wearer, do you like it, does it make you feel more beautiful / comfortable, would you rather not wear makeup?"
I love it be because it helps complete a look. In the same way changing my hair or wearing a different style of clothing changes things. Looking at my make up bag, I probably wear a lot compared to some but like to think that I apply it well and that I look polished rather than Lilly Savage on crack. Hate the trowled in, Sharpie style eyebrows look though.
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By *eclanH OP Man
over a year ago
Liphook |
"I enjoy makeup and wear it for myself, when I want to. I'm bare faced for chores, gym, etc and apply the bits I want to when I want to.
I'm told I wear subtle minimal makeup, but it's truer to say that I know how the rules apply to my own face, and unless you look closely and you know what you're looking for, it flies under the radar. My preferred style isn't the preferred style of most women around me.
Most guys (not picking on you OP) do prefer some makeup, but they don't realise what they're looking at.
Well said, and insightful about men not knowing. Yeah, like I mentioned, I’m probably in the minority. Here.
The key thing, like you said, is that you do it for yourself. That’s the important bit, with or without, that you do what you want without having to pay a penalty of judgement for it.
Sometimes I get judged. I don't care, lol. "
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"I wear it all the time. I wouldn’t even go tescos without it.
No sure why, but I’m also a bit surprised by that.
Really!? I don’t cake it on but yeah always. And the only time in 30 years my nails and toes haven’t been painted was when I was in hospital having my children. I just always have. Don’t really think about it "
Can relate to this. Looked like a train had hit me after the birth of my eldest, kept in nearly a week, infection in my Csection, wee man not latching on, nips looked like a blow torch hsd been at them....and I remember thinking "Can't wait 'til everyone fucks off and I can get home to paint my nails!" |
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over a year ago
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I wear a little makeup most days, keep it natural, tinted moisturiser, mascara, lip gloss, just enough so that I don’t frighten small children.
Nights out I wear a bit more but not too much, don’t like the caked on look
Am fascinated by the current eyebrow thing among younger women. Why do they think black eyebrows with corners look attractive? |
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"I wear a little makeup most days, keep it natural, tinted moisturiser, mascara, lip gloss, just enough so that I don’t frighten small children.
Nights out I wear a bit more but not too much, don’t like the caked on look
Am fascinated by the current eyebrow thing among younger women. Why do they think black eyebrows with corners look attractive? "
Fuller eyebrows are more youthful, and it frames your face.
Although I'm not one for the dramatic boy brow. I just fill in the patchy bits on mine. |
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"I wear a little makeup most days, keep it natural, tinted moisturiser, mascara, lip gloss, just enough so that I don’t frighten small children.
Nights out I wear a bit more but not too much, don’t like the caked on look
Am fascinated by the current eyebrow thing among younger women. Why do they think black eyebrows with corners look attractive?
Fuller eyebrows are more youthful, and it frames your face.
Although I'm not one for the dramatic boy brow. I just fill in the patchy bits on mine. "
Yeah. I have a lot of grey in mine and the difference is noticeable when I haven't tinted them for a while |
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"I wear it all the time. I wouldn’t even go tescos without it.
No sure why, but I’m also a bit surprised by that.
Really!? I don’t cake it on but yeah always. And the only time in 30 years my nails and toes haven’t been painted was when I was in hospital having my children. I just always have. Don’t really think about it
Can relate to this. Looked like a train had hit me after the birth of my eldest, kept in nearly a week, infection in my Csection, wee man not latching on, nips looked like a blow torch hsd been at them....and I remember thinking "Can't wait 'til everyone fucks off and I can get home to paint my nails!""
When I had spinal surgery a while back I used to put make up on every day in hospital. The woman in the bed opposite accused me of being obsessed |
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Fuller eyebrows are more youthful, and it frames your face.
Although I'm not one for the dramatic boy brow. I just fill in the patchy bits on mine. "
A bit fuller and less gappy I get, it’s the unnaturally dark and square thing I don’t get. Usually on stunningly pretty girls who don’t need to.
Knowing me, I’d forget about them and leave eyebrow prints on the pillowcase |
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Fuller eyebrows are more youthful, and it frames your face.
Although I'm not one for the dramatic boy brow. I just fill in the patchy bits on mine.
A bit fuller and less gappy I get, it’s the unnaturally dark and square thing I don’t get. Usually on stunningly pretty girls who don’t need to.
Knowing me, I’d forget about them and leave eyebrow prints on the pillowcase "
Yeah, I don't love it either. Fashion, I guess. |
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I like wearing makeup, I don’t put it on if I’m not going out. But I find it therapeutic to do it in the morning. I do it for myself as my ex wouldn’t let me wear any so it’s my way of reclaiming myself. I don’t wear bright obvious colours but try for a natural look x |
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By *eliWoman
over a year ago
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I don't wear makeup daily - partly from sheer laziness, partly because I don't feel I need to and partly because I don't know how to. I wear mascara if I have an important meeting or a meet but normally lip balm. I don't mind women wearing makeup - lots of it or a little amount. The no makeup makeup look can take a looot of products. |
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over a year ago
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When I'm out a little eyeliner towards the upper outer corners of the eye and some lipstick
During the day nothing at all... Purely of laziness you understand |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Without wishing to sound corny, natural beauty shines through
There is physical beauty in most, but what some girls (and guys for that matter) can do with make up, WOW!
My team leader at work sent me a Whatsapp - she was 'dolled up' (as we say round here) in the profile pic.
I genuinely did not recognise her. I thought I was getting hit on by some hotty.
She's a pretty girl sans slap, but with it on, stunning!
Aside from that, make up is a great one for giving someone confidence. If they feel better in themselves, it is bound to reflect in their outlook.
So, whilst I can appreciate and embrace natural beauty, if make up has a positive effect and provides confidence & empowerment, bring it on! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"What do people mean by natural beauty?
Some of it is physical, some of it is the soul shining through "
Absolutely! Completely get where you are coming from, wish more people understood this |
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"What do people mean by natural beauty?
Some of it is physical, some of it is the soul shining through "
I understand that . I was more thinking of how far down the natural route people are prepared to accept. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Not my face not my choice i go with
I’ve got a nice red lippy that would suit you. Please let me do your make up! Please "
why does everyone want to dress me as a woman ffs |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I hate wearing make up and I find myself doing it less and less as I get older....I am sorely tempted to get everything tinted and tattooed on though so I can look "put together" without ever having to wear slap again lol |
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over a year ago
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"What do people mean by natural beauty?
Some of it is physical, some of it is the soul shining through
I understand that . I was more thinking of how far down the natural route people are prepared to accept. "
For me, all the way to the morning breath and the birds nest hair |
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"Not my face not my choice i go with
I’ve got a nice red lippy that would suit you. Please let me do your make up! Please why does everyone want to dress me as a woman ffs "
Because it would be funny |
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By *iss SJWoman
over a year ago
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I don’t wear a lot of make up during the day but I do wear some - it makes me look less dead.
I like there to be a difference when I go out or go somewhere special so I do make a bit more effort then though. |
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"What do people mean by natural beauty?
Some of it is physical, some of it is the soul shining through
I understand that . I was more thinking of how far down the natural route people are prepared to accept.
For me, all the way to the morning breath and the birds nest hair "
Yep I think we all see beauty in our close ones whatever they look like. Mr N likes taking photos of me when I've just woken up.
However in day to day life would most people find entirely ungroomed people naturally beautiful? |
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"What do people mean by natural beauty?
Some of it is physical, some of it is the soul shining through
I understand that . I was more thinking of how far down the natural route people are prepared to accept.
For me, all the way to the morning breath and the birds nest hair
Yep I think we all see beauty in our close ones whatever they look like. Mr N likes taking photos of me when I've just woken up.
However in day to day life would most people find entirely ungroomed people naturally beautiful? "
Again, I would - as long as it looked like they'd washed
I am turning into my mother, I catch myself saying things like ' oooh, she looks like she could do with a good wash' 
I work, in an office of about 40, about 80% of which are female
I get to see all sorts
I even recognise when it's 'wing week' for some, when they come in and their skin tone matches the walls, that's a pretty good sign |
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Best thing I’ve seen about makeup is a set of three illustrations, showing the same girl with a load of makeup on, some natural makeup on and no make up on.
I posted it ages ago and got a ban, but Google ‘Are you sick makeup”, click on images and should be the first one. |
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"What do people mean by natural beauty?
Some of it is physical, some of it is the soul shining through
I understand that . I was more thinking of how far down the natural route people are prepared to accept.
For me, all the way to the morning breath and the birds nest hair
Yep I think we all see beauty in our close ones whatever they look like. Mr N likes taking photos of me when I've just woken up.
However in day to day life would most people find entirely ungroomed people naturally beautiful?
Again, I would - as long as it looked like they'd washed
I am turning into my mother, I catch myself saying things like ' oooh, she looks like she could do with a good wash'
I work, in an office of about 40, about 80% of which are female
I get to see all sorts
I even recognise when it's 'wing week' for some, when they come in and their skin tone matches the walls, that's a pretty good sign "
I was just thinking about this and yes clean is my minimum requirement but I do like hair to be brushed and nails shaped. I don't like entirely natural.
lordy what colour are the walls in your workplace |
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Unless I'm being a bit daft (costume party or similar) my makeup is to play up my features. My eyes are between two colours and depending on the colours I put on my face, I can make them look dramatically one way or another. |
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By *4nc3rCouple
over a year ago
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I will happily go out or to work without any makeup on, doesn't phase me what so ever.
But I enjoy doing makeup, for the artistic value. So I am always either full glam or nothing |
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"What do people mean by natural beauty?
Some of it is physical, some of it is the soul shining through
I understand that . I was more thinking of how far down the natural route people are prepared to accept.
For me, all the way to the morning breath and the birds nest hair
Yep I think we all see beauty in our close ones whatever they look like. Mr N likes taking photos of me when I've just woken up.
However in day to day life would most people find entirely ungroomed people naturally beautiful?
Again, I would - as long as it looked like they'd washed
I am turning into my mother, I catch myself saying things like ' oooh, she looks like she could do with a good wash'
I work, in an office of about 40, about 80% of which are female
I get to see all sorts
I even recognise when it's 'wing week' for some, when they come in and their skin tone matches the walls, that's a pretty good sign
I was just thinking about this and yes clean is my minimum requirement but I do like hair to be brushed and nails shaped. I don't like entirely natural.
lordy what colour are the walls in your workplace "
Depending on lighting, it varies somewhere between off white, insipid green and pallid grey
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"I suspect I may be in the minority. I generally prefer it when people do not wear makeup.
What’s your preference?
And if you’re a makeup wearer, do you like it, does it make you feel more beautiful / comfortable, would you rather not wear makeup?"
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"What do people mean by natural beauty?
Some of it is physical, some of it is the soul shining through
I understand that . I was more thinking of how far down the natural route people are prepared to accept.
For me, all the way to the morning breath and the birds nest hair
Yep I think we all see beauty in our close ones whatever they look like. Mr N likes taking photos of me when I've just woken up.
However in day to day life would most people find entirely ungroomed people naturally beautiful?
Again, I would - as long as it looked like they'd washed
I am turning into my mother, I catch myself saying things like ' oooh, she looks like she could do with a good wash'
I work, in an office of about 40, about 80% of which are female
I get to see all sorts
I even recognise when it's 'wing week' for some, when they come in and their skin tone matches the walls, that's a pretty good sign
I was just thinking about this and yes clean is my minimum requirement but I do like hair to be brushed and nails shaped. I don't like entirely natural.
lordy what colour are the walls in your workplace
Depending on lighting, it varies somewhere between off white, insipid green and pallid grey
See what I mean? Perfect "
those women need medical help not makeup |
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"What do people mean by natural beauty?
Some of it is physical, some of it is the soul shining through
I understand that . I was more thinking of how far down the natural route people are prepared to accept.
For me, all the way to the morning breath and the birds nest hair
Yep I think we all see beauty in our close ones whatever they look like. Mr N likes taking photos of me when I've just woken up.
However in day to day life would most people find entirely ungroomed people naturally beautiful?
Again, I would - as long as it looked like they'd washed
I am turning into my mother, I catch myself saying things like ' oooh, she looks like she could do with a good wash'
I work, in an office of about 40, about 80% of which are female
I get to see all sorts
I even recognise when it's 'wing week' for some, when they come in and their skin tone matches the walls, that's a pretty good sign
I was just thinking about this and yes clean is my minimum requirement but I do like hair to be brushed and nails shaped. I don't like entirely natural.
lordy what colour are the walls in your workplace
Depending on lighting, it varies somewhere between off white, insipid green and pallid grey
See what I mean? Perfect
those women need medical help not makeup "
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