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And the Italians, Croatians, Bosnian's and various others on the other side, they were all someone's kids doing their duty regardless of who was in charge of their respective states at the time. Most of em would probably have been much happier back on the farm rather than getting literally wasted for some dork with a Charlie Chaplin tash  |
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"There's a German war cemetery in
Cannock, it's just as moving as any of the Allies' cemeteries.
Worth a look if you're ever in the area."
Been I did my basic training at Lichfield and we had a tour round as well as the chaple at the cathedral  |
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There has been much reconcilation among former enemies in World War 2 over the years. Not confined only to the large televised gatherings. There was a time when no German representatives were seen at the larger more publicised events. It all depends on the way the remembrance is done more than who it covers in my opinion. |
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"There has been much reconcilation among former enemies in World War 2 over the years. Not confined only to the large televised gatherings. There was a time when no German representatives were seen at the larger more publicised events. It all depends on the way the remembrance is done more than who it covers in my opinion."
Having served. I actually have very little malice against the people I potentialy and actually faced, now. Some of my former colleagues (and some are serious life long freinds, some of them most people would hate for their views and oppinions, but I'm bi and some people you wouldn't expect put their necks on the line for me when I was in the monkeys sights in the 90's because at one point I was arrested on the work place disaplinary that could of put me in colly for two years then dishonourably discharged.they lied.and because of what some of them were, the lies were believed) do dislike this side of me. But hey. I fully understand how passionate republicans were and it's was or is their cause, loyalists too, Serbs ... KLA all that. RUF ... We had our job. They had theirs. |
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The German armed forces of WW2 were generally very supportive of Hitler. However, they lost more men 44 to 45 than in the years previously. Most of their dead lay scattered across Eastern Europe and have only relatively recently been searched for and buried properly |
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"And the Italians, Croatians, Bosnian's and various others on the other side, they were all someone's kids doing their duty regardless of who was in charge of their respective states at the time. Most of em would probably have been much happier back on the farm rather than getting literally wasted for some dork with a Charlie Chaplin tash "
Yep.
It's always difficult to be German on days like this but I think most people understand that remembering those on both sides isn't disrespectful. |
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"And the Italians, Croatians, Bosnian's and various others on the other side, they were all someone's kids doing their duty regardless of who was in charge of their respective states at the time. Most of em would probably have been much happier back on the farm rather than getting literally wasted for some dork with a Charlie Chaplin tash "
But are we not commemorating those who landed and fell on the beaches in France today? Im sure all the other soldiers are commemorated by their own country in some way but D Day is for the allied troops |
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"And the Italians, Croatians, Bosnian's and various others on the other side, they were all someone's kids doing their duty regardless of who was in charge of their respective states at the time. Most of em would probably have been much happier back on the farm rather than getting literally wasted for some dork with a Charlie Chaplin tash
But are we not commemorating those who landed and fell on the beaches in France today? Im sure all the other soldiers are commemorated by their own country in some way but D Day is for the allied troops "
Yes we are and nobody is preventing that  |
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"What about the Russians? They deserve respect for their part in defeating Hitler.
Though you wouldn't know it from the current media."
Casualty figures suggest they win the war. Or at least sacrificed more |
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"And the Italians, Croatians, Bosnian's and various others on the other side, they were all someone's kids doing their duty regardless of who was in charge of their respective states at the time. Most of em would probably have been much happier back on the farm rather than getting literally wasted for some dork with a Charlie Chaplin tash
But are we not commemorating those who landed and fell on the beaches in France today? Im sure all the other soldiers are commemorated by their own country in some way but D Day is for the allied troops "
If you look at the poppy it's to remember all the fallen.
It doesn't matter to me excepting die hard politicals, what side some one was on.
People died for a better tomorrow. But while ruthless in the moment of action magnanimous in the moment of peace.
The opposing forces died too and the loss of life is never to be taken lightly. Everyone on that battle field gave. The differences then should make both sides descendents more United. |
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"What about the Russians? They deserve respect for their part in defeating Hitler.
Though you wouldn't know it from the current media."
Ex Soviet soldiers were in the ranks of the German forces in Normandy (Ostlegionen).
Later in June 1944 the Soviets launched operation Bagration that destroyed army group centre. A huge defeat for the Reich.
But with Russia launching a hostile attack in Salisbury it's hardly surprising we don't reach out to them . |
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"What about the Russians? They deserve respect for their part in defeating Hitler.
Though you wouldn't know it from the current media.
Ex Soviet soldiers were in the ranks of the German forces in Normandy (Ostlegionen).
Later in June 1944 the Soviets launched operation Bagration that destroyed army group centre. A huge defeat for the Reich.
But with Russia launching a hostile attack in Salisbury it's hardly surprising we don't reach out to them ."
Hostile attack? I thought that russian intelligence agent was on holiday looking at the architect ure??!?! |
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"What about the Russians? They deserve respect for their part in defeating Hitler.
Though you wouldn't know it from the current media.
Ex Soviet soldiers were in the ranks of the German forces in Normandy (Ostlegionen).
Later in June 1944 the Soviets launched operation Bagration that destroyed army group centre. A huge defeat for the Reich.
But with Russia launching a hostile attack in Salisbury it's hardly surprising we don't reach out to them ."
They don't need to be reached out to but their sacrifice needs to be acknowledged - not ignored.
I wonder if they will be next year - for VE Day? |
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"What about the Russians? They deserve respect for their part in defeating Hitler.
Though you wouldn't know it from the current media.
Ex Soviet soldiers were in the ranks of the German forces in Normandy (Ostlegionen).
Later in June 1944 the Soviets launched operation Bagration that destroyed army group centre. A huge defeat for the Reich.
But with Russia launching a hostile attack in Salisbury it's hardly surprising we don't reach out to them .
They don't need to be reached out to but their sacrifice needs to be acknowledged - not ignored.
I wonder if they will be next year - for VE Day?"
Russia? In WW2 it was the USSR and many dead were Ukrainian, Belarusian, Georgian etc etc Reaching out to Russia alone would be very selective.
Plus remember the Artic convoys. Without that sacrifice the USSR would have struggled |
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"What about the Russians? They deserve respect for their part in defeating Hitler.
Though you wouldn't know it from the current media."
They commemorate their fallen in red square and I don't think we've ever been invited to that, post cold War politics.. |
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The current media? The news this week was about the 75th anniversary of D-Day, and the Soviet army didn’t take part. I’m not sure why so many people were expecting a “meanwhile, 2000 miles away...” moment.
It doesn’t mean they’ve been forgotten, just that this was not the time. |
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"What about the Russians? They deserve respect for their part in defeating Hitler.
Though you wouldn't know it from the current media.
They commemorate their fallen in red square and I don't think we've ever been invited to that, post cold War politics.. "
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"The current media? The news this week was about the 75th anniversary of D-Day, and the Soviet army didn’t take part. I’m not sure why so many people were expecting a “meanwhile, 2000 miles away...” moment.
It doesn’t mean they’ve been forgotten, just that this was not the time."
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"Russia? In WW2 it was the USSR and many dead were Ukrainian, Belarusian, Georgian etc etc Reaching out to Russia alone would be very selective.
Plus remember the Artic convoys. Without that sacrifice the USSR would have struggled "
I'm well aware of both the former USSR and the Arctic Convoys.
As I asked; will their sacrifice be acknowledged by the Western powers next May 8th? I have my doubts; but I'll be happy to be proven wrong. |
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"And the Italians, Croatians, Bosnian's and various others on the other side, they were all someone's kids doing their duty regardless of who was in charge of their respective states at the time. Most of em would probably have been much happier back on the farm rather than getting literally wasted for some dork with a Charlie Chaplin tash "
You just realising this? "Back on the farm". What? Cities aren't just a thing in the UK. I hope your young, if you're under 20 I guess you get a pass. |
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"The current media? The news this week was about the 75th anniversary of D-Day, and the Soviet army didn’t take part. I’m not sure why so many people were expecting a “meanwhile, 2000 miles away...” moment.
It doesn’t mean they’ve been forgotten, just that this was not the time."
Germany "took part" an were represented by Mrs Merkel at the ceremony. Are you seriously suggesting that they had more right to be represented than Russia?
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"And the Italians, Croatians, Bosnian's and various others on the other side, they were all someone's kids doing their duty regardless of who was in charge of their respective states at the time. Most of em would probably have been much happier back on the farm rather than getting literally wasted for some dork with a Charlie Chaplin tash
You just realising this? "Back on the farm". What? Cities aren't just a thing in the UK. I hope your young, if you're under 20 I guess you get a pass. "
I'm in my early 40's back on the farm is an expression. But like in the UK male millitary age Germans were drafted in droves and farming taken over by the women folk. Due to a shortage of people the Germans had a much wider age range for draft and call up and made use of penal units made up of released prisoners. |
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"I'm sure they have their own day of remembrance. This is ours and you are disrespectful"
I always assumed that we were remembering ALL who lost their lives in the war regardless of which side they were on.... certainly that's what I'm doing.
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"Russia? In WW2 it was the USSR and many dead were Ukrainian, Belarusian, Georgian etc etc Reaching out to Russia alone would be very selective.
Plus remember the Artic convoys. Without that sacrifice the USSR would have struggled
I'm well aware of both the former USSR and the Arctic Convoys.
As I asked; will their sacrifice be acknowledged by the Western powers next May 8th? I have my doubts; but I'll be happy to be proven wrong."
However you care to write it, we are well aware that the USSR replaced Nazi brutality with that of their own .
Polish nationalists were murdered and in the Baltic countries they hunted resistance well into the 70s.
The USSR deserves to be remembered as a totalitarian hellhole. |
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"The USSR deserves to be remembered as a totalitarian hellhole."
Indeed it does. But does that make its soldiers less worthy of being remembered for their sacrifice in the common cause of defeating Nazi Germany?
You referred to Operation Bagration; so you know that it was far more significant in dealing a mortal blow to the German Army than D-Day was. As were Stalingrad and Kursk before it.
The USSR was horrific, no doubt. D-Day deserves to be remembered, no doubt.
But the maths don't lie. They really did do the heavy lifting. |
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You cannot remember all simultaneously. Every action had it's support. Eh lend-lease helped the Soviet's immensely.
I see no good reason to remember the Soviet dead on D-Day.
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"You cannot remember all simultaneously. Every action had it's support. Eh lend-lease helped the Soviet's immensely.
I see no good reason to remember the Soviet dead on D-Day.
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Yes I can.
It helped enormously but it didn't change the course of the war.
I know you don't. |
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It did help enormously. USSR did pay in blood but then until 43 their tactics were terribly wasteful.
Then did many bad things including suggesting Hitler had escaped to make the West look bad.
Orwell had the right idea about them . |
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