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"Does anyone find that most vegans have this underlying sense of superiority over everyone? " Not really. I think meat eaters do though. | |||
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"Does anyone find that most vegans have this underlying sense of superiority over everyone? " Not met most of them but the ones I have are just normal folks who have a differet diet.. | |||
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"Does anyone find that most vegans have this underlying sense of superiority over everyone? Not really. I think meat eaters do though."  | |||
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pissed me off as well ...I don't lecture people about steak and chips etc | |||
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"I don't know any vegans. Not that I know of anyway. " If you knew any they would probably have let you know by now lol | |||
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"It’s a stereotype. My experience has been the opposite. All the vegans I know a good, reasonable people." That’s good to know, wish I’d met one! Not trying to stereotype. They’re doing that all by themselves from the ones I’ve met | |||
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" pissed me off as well ...I don't lecture people about steak and chips etc"Right?! I don’t tell Vegans what they’re missing out on. I don’t mind vegan food once in a while but I’m not going to make whole life changes because of a leaflet, tv show or some twat walking around in a hessian sack for trousers telling me I’m rotting the planet. | |||
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" pissed me off as well ...I don't lecture people about steak and chips etc"Yep! | |||
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"I have nothing wrong or against vegans, in fact I think I have praise for them in being so persistent in their life choice. What bugs me is being preached to about why being vegan is so amazing. If there’s one thing I can’t stand, it’s being preached at. " I hear ya! | |||
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"No. I find that people who eat meat complain more about vegans, than vegans mention ‘I’m vegan’. I’ve known some vegans for years and I never would have known if we hadn’t gone out for dinner, or I hadn’t been asking them if they wanted something and they couldn’t. #LeaveVegansAlone" This is so true. I hear so much more bros complaining about vegans than the supposed self-righteous vegans. | |||
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"It’s a stereotype. My experience has been the opposite. All the vegans I know a good, reasonable people. That’s good to know, wish I’d met one! Not trying to stereotype. They’re doing that all by themselves from the ones I’ve met" You're not trying very hard. | |||
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"No. I find that people who eat meat complain more about vegans, than vegans mention ‘I’m vegan’. I’ve known some vegans for years and I never would have known if we hadn’t gone out for dinner, or I hadn’t been asking them if they wanted something and they couldn’t. #LeaveVegansAlone" This. | |||
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"I find a lot of people have beef with vegans." in not letting this comment pass without giving it the credit it deserves. | |||
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"how do you know if someone is vegan? .. . they will tell you in the first 5 minutes of meeting them haha" How can you tell a meat eater? They are usually slagging off the vegans. | |||
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"It’s a stereotype. My experience has been the opposite. All the vegans I know a good, reasonable people. That’s good to know, wish I’d met one! Not trying to stereotype. They’re doing that all by themselves from the ones I’ve met You're not trying very hard." Well I don live in Shrewsbury, so I have to try a lot harder than you. | |||
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"how do you know if someone is vegan? .. . they will tell you in the first 5 minutes of meeting them haha" Funny joke! | |||
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"how do you know if someone is vegan? .. . they will tell you in the first 5 minutes of meeting them haha How can you tell a meat eater? They are usually slagging off the vegans." Only when provoked | |||
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"how do you know if someone is vegan? .. . they will tell you in the first 5 minutes of meeting them haha How can you tell a meat eater? They are usually slagging off the vegans." lmao | |||
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"I find a lot of people have beef with vegans. in not letting this comment pass without giving it the credit it deserves. "Sorry yes it was great :D | |||
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"Most people that claim to be vegan aren't actually vegan. Being vegan is more than what you eat. " Yours is a perfect case of a No-True Scotsman fallacy | |||
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"I find a lot of people have beef with vegans. in not letting this comment pass without giving it the credit it deserves. " | |||
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"how do you know if someone is vegan? .. . they will tell you in the first 5 minutes of meeting them haha How can you tell a meat eater? They are usually slagging off the vegans. Only when provoked" Who's provoking you? | |||
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"It’s a stereotype. My experience has been the opposite. All the vegans I know a good, reasonable people. That’s good to know, wish I’d met one! Not trying to stereotype. They’re doing that all by themselves from the ones I’ve met" Just a thought, maybe it's how you come across to them if this thread is anything to go by? | |||
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"Does anyone find that most vegans have this underlying sense of superiority over everyone? " I hear this exact opinion far more than I hear from any actual vegans. So I reckon this is just a stereotype used in order to give non-vegans a sense of superiority. Ironic, or somethin4.jkim Those last characters thanks to my cat walking on the keyboard. He's definitely not a vegan. | |||
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"how do you know if someone is vegan? .. . they will tell you in the first 5 minutes of meeting them haha" That was funny the first time I heard it, in 1992. | |||
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"It’s a stereotype. My experience has been the opposite. All the vegans I know a good, reasonable people. That’s good to know, wish I’d met one! Not trying to stereotype. They’re doing that all by themselves from the ones I’ve met Just a thought, maybe it's how you come across to them if this thread is anything to go by? " Nothing to do with this thread but thanks | |||
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"Does anyone find that most vegans have this underlying sense of superiority over everyone? " I’ve never had any beef with them. | |||
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"Does anyone find that most vegans have this underlying sense of superiority over everyone? " I love vegans | |||
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"Does anyone find that most vegans have this underlying sense of superiority over everyone? " You mean like those over zealous left wing tree huggers that are campaigning against Trump ? Or those who think it’s great to take their plastic containers and fill them up at the shop that dispenses the goods from a plastic container to save the planet ? That kind of self righteousness ? If so , yes I do | |||
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"Apologies for lowering the tone, but I do occasionally wonder whether or not it’s vegan to swallow cum..." How ethically is it farmed and harvested? What kind of conditions are you being kept in? | |||
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"Does anyone find that most vegans have this underlying sense of superiority over everyone? You mean like those over zealous left wing tree huggers that are campaigning against Trump ? Or those who think it’s great to take their plastic containers and fill them up at the shop that dispenses the goods from a plastic container to save the planet ? That kind of self righteousness ? If so , yes I do "Exactly, not necessarily all those things, but I’m never in the mood to hear it, I’ve woeked a lot in saving animals and rescue, I don’t need to be criticised or given a lecture just because someone thinks not eating eggs or drinking milk means they have saved the world | |||
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"Nah...that's some people, not vegans. Maybe some vegans, not all. " Didn’t say all, but a bloody lot of them! | |||
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"Does anyone find that most vegans have this underlying sense of superiority over everyone? " Nope. But I think some meat eaters feel the need to undermine them because they feel defensive about their own choices. | |||
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"Does anyone find that most vegans have this underlying sense of superiority over everyone? Nope. But I think some meat eaters feel the need to undermine them because they feel defensive about their own choices. " Not me but you could be right | |||
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"Does anyone find that most vegans have this underlying sense of superiority over everyone? Nope. But I think some meat eaters feel the need to undermine them because they feel defensive about their own choices. " Preach! | |||
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"Does anyone find that most vegans have this underlying sense of superiority over everyone? Nope. But I think some meat eaters feel the need to undermine them because they feel defensive about their own choices. " This. I know a number of vegans and non of them have ever lectured me about eating meat.
As this thread proves, you don't need to be a vegan to have a superior attitude about diets | |||
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"Does anyone find that most vegans have this underlying sense of superiority over everyone? Nope. But I think some meat eaters feel the need to undermine them because they feel defensive about their own choices. " Yep I agree with this. When I was a fully fledged non-preaching vegetarian I was constantly being undermined by certain meat eaters who couldn’t seem to handle that I didn’t want to eat meat. | |||
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"Does anyone find that most vegans have this underlying sense of superiority over everyone? Nope. But I think some meat eaters feel the need to undermine them because they feel defensive about their own choices. " They feel threatened and insecure because the fact is they don't have to kill the animal themselves and they know it happens behind locked doors. So they believe the vegans are trying to take over and make them eat plants, when they're not. If meat eaters had to kill the animal themselves they probably would go vegi. Vegan food is just like any other food category really. | |||
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"Does anyone find that most vegans have this underlying sense of superiority over everyone? Nope. But I think some meat eaters feel the need to undermine them because they feel defensive about their own choices. They feel threatened and insecure because the fact is they don't have to kill the animal themselves and they know it happens behind locked doors. So they believe the vegans are trying to take over and make them eat plants, when they're not. If meat eaters had to kill the animal themselves they probably would go vegi. I’ve trapped killed and butchered animals to eat, so not the case, I made sure I did for that reason, too many people at desensitised to what they’re eating! Vegan food is just like any other food category really. " | |||
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"Does anyone find that most vegans have this underlying sense of superiority over everyone? Nope. But I think some meat eaters feel the need to undermine them because they feel defensive about their own choices. They feel threatened and insecure because the fact is they don't have to kill the animal themselves and they know it happens behind locked doors. So they believe the vegans are trying to take over and make them eat plants, when they're not. If meat eaters had to kill the animal themselves they probably would go vegi. I’ve trapped killed and butchered animals to eat, so not the case, I made sure I did for that reason, too many people at desensitised to what they’re eating! Vegan food is just like any other food category really. " Your point being? | |||
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"Does anyone find that most vegans have this underlying sense of superiority over everyone? Nope. But I think some meat eaters feel the need to undermine them because they feel defensive about their own choices. They feel threatened and insecure because the fact is they don't have to kill the animal themselves and they know it happens behind locked doors. So they believe the vegans are trying to take over and make them eat plants, when they're not. If meat eaters had to kill the animal themselves they probably would go vegi. I’ve trapped killed and butchered animals to eat, so not the case, I made sure I did for that reason, too many people at desensitised to what they’re eating! Vegan food is just like any other food category really. Your point being?" That not all meat eaters feel threatened and insecure about what they eat. And maybe in England it’s very much the case that people can’t and don’t ever go through the process that takes place before it ends up on their plate. But England’s a very small place | |||
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"Does anyone find that most vegans have this underlying sense of superiority over everyone? Nope. But I think some meat eaters feel the need to undermine them because they feel defensive about their own choices. They feel threatened and insecure because the fact is they don't have to kill the animal themselves and they know it happens behind locked doors. So they believe the vegans are trying to take over and make them eat plants, when they're not. If meat eaters had to kill the animal themselves they probably would go vegi. I’ve trapped killed and butchered animals to eat, so not the case, I made sure I did for that reason, too many people at desensitised to what they’re eating! Vegan food is just like any other food category really. Your point being? That not all meat eaters feel threatened and insecure about what they eat. And maybe in England it’s very much the case that people can’t and don’t ever go through the process that takes place before it ends up on their plate. But England’s a very small place" Size hasn't anything to do with it. There was a time where the housewife would have to butcher, slit throats and break necks, just to put ome meat on the table to feed the family. It's just now all done processing plants and not socialy acceptable to be seen butchering ourselves. Meat eater should leave Vegans alone. It's just a lifestyle choice, to some it's a faith group. | |||
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"bash this group bash that group jeeze don't people have there own lives to get on with rather than bully everyone else who don't fit there idea's" It will be the insect eaters next. Yummy. | |||
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"Does anyone find that most vegans have this underlying sense of superiority over everyone? Nope. But I think some meat eaters feel the need to undermine them because they feel defensive about their own choices. They feel threatened and insecure because the fact is they don't have to kill the animal themselves and they know it happens behind locked doors. So they believe the vegans are trying to take over and make them eat plants, when they're not. If meat eaters had to kill the animal themselves they probably would go vegi. I’ve trapped killed and butchered animals to eat, so not the case, I made sure I did for that reason, too many people at desensitised to what they’re eating! Vegan food is just like any other food category really. Your point being? That not all meat eaters feel threatened and insecure about what they eat. And maybe in England it’s very much the case that people can’t and don’t ever go through the process that takes place before it ends up on their plate. But England’s a very small place Size hasn't anything to do with it. There was a time where the housewife would have to butcher, slit throats and break necks, just to put ome meat on the table to feed the family. It's just now all done processing plants and not socialy acceptable to be seen butchering ourselves. Meat eater should leave Vegans alone. It's just a lifestyle choice, to some it's a faith group. " Just as much as vegans should leave meat eaters alone, you don’t need to try and educate me about vegans then follow on to try and educate me about the history of meat eaters.... This is exactly what I’m fucking talking about!!!! | |||
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"Does anyone find that most vegans have this underlying sense of superiority over everyone? " Some don't, but a lot do. Jokes on them, because all this save the planet talk they make is a bit of a bad argument, because vehicle and industry pollution far far exceeds pollution created by the meat industry | |||
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"Does anyone find that most vegans have this underlying sense of superiority over everyone? " No | |||
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they are just people like the rest of us after all. | |||
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"Having a superiority complex is not limited to vegans in my experience they are just people like the rest of us after all. "Or does the OP have an inferiority complex?  | |||
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"Is it you thinking/feeling that the vegans you know act superior? Or are you feeling this from the media's interpretation of vegans? " From experience of various people who make lifestyle choices. Of course veganism is on the rise and I'm ok with that. I often prefer the veg to the meat. I hate animal cruelty but we all have major changes to make to stop climate change. Starting with all living a simpler life and consuming less. | |||
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"Is it you thinking/feeling that the vegans you know act superior? Or are you feeling this from the media's interpretation of vegans? " It’s me experiencing first hand them preaching like I don’t already know what’s going on in the world, not all of them, but you get the odd one, more so than any other party that will just batter you with everything you’re doing wrong! | |||
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"Having a superiority complex is not limited to vegans in my experience they are just people like the rest of us after all.
Or does the OP have an inferiority complex? "Lol | |||
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"Is it you thinking/feeling that the vegans you know act superior? Or are you feeling this from the media's interpretation of vegans? From experience of various people who make lifestyle choices. Of course veganism is on the rise and I'm ok with that. I often prefer the veg to the meat. I hate animal cruelty but we all have major changes to make to stop climate change. Starting with all living a simpler life and consuming less." So you know superior acting vegans? | |||
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"Is it you thinking/feeling that the vegans you know act superior? Or are you feeling this from the media's interpretation of vegans? It’s me experiencing first hand them preaching like I don’t already know what’s going on in the world, not all of them, but you get the odd one, more so than any other party that will just batter you with everything you’re doing wrong!" You must have had bad luck! I know lots of vegans and not one of them will talk about their views unless literally pressed into it! | |||
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"Is it you thinking/feeling that the vegans you know act superior? Or are you feeling this from the media's interpretation of vegans? It’s me experiencing first hand them preaching like I don’t already know what’s going on in the world, not all of them, but you get the odd one, more so than any other party that will just batter you with everything you’re doing wrong! You must have had bad luck! I know lots of vegans and not one of them will talk about their views unless literally pressed into it! " All the vegans I know are great.. it’s the ones I don’t know that somehow manage to piss me off. | |||
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"What is the fascination with vegans.. "I think most of us know ( even if its deep down ) that farming and killing animals for meat is wrong. But we ignore the suffering of these poor creatures and buy it in pretty packaging because it tastes good. Lashing out at vegans is a form of guilt! | |||
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"What is the fascination with vegans..
I think most of us know ( even if its deep down ) that farming and killing animals for meat is wrong.
But we ignore the suffering of these poor creatures and buy it in pretty packaging because it tastes good.
Lashing out at vegans is a form of guilt!"Farming crops kills and displaces animals. Feel guilty? | |||
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"Well they are superior, they are generally far more healthier and are protecting this world as best as they can, they ultimately do the very best to stop animal cruelty and deforestation, we should all bow to those hero’s " Phurghh! Healthier not proven. Protecting the world -how? I'm sure the orangutans would have something to say here. Cruelty - growing crops kills billions of insects, rodents, birds or are we just interested in cute and cuddly. Bow - good grief! | |||
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"What is the fascination with vegans..
I think most of us know ( even if its deep down ) that farming and killing animals for meat is wrong.
But we ignore the suffering of these poor creatures and buy it in pretty packaging because it tastes good.
Lashing out at vegans is a form of guilt!
Farming crops kills and displaces animals. Feel guilty?"Amen | |||
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"The vegans I know,who have been vegan for 30+ years never mention it. It tends to be the new converts I've met that seem to bang on about it. End of the day it's each to there own." The one that made me post this thread became vegan 8 years ago at the age of 45, this means they have eaten meat for more years than I have been alive. yet I’m the scum of the world because I still do... don’t need the preachy bullshit | |||
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"What is the fascination with vegans.. "Anyone that does things differently from the norm, is threatening Safety in numbers and all that | |||
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"I'm Vegan. I don't think it makes me better than anyone and I don't advertise it...But I am proud of it. I do find I get a lot of stick for it though. People seem to think that because they eat meat and most people do, that gives them the right to belittle people that don't. " Not trying to belittle anyone here! And so you should be proud of it | |||
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"What is the fascination with vegans..
I think most of us know ( even if its deep down ) that farming and killing animals for meat is wrong.
But we ignore the suffering of these poor creatures and buy it in pretty packaging because it tastes good.
Lashing out at vegans is a form of guilt!
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Still my eggs and honey though so not a vegan really. Though most aren’t as animal parts are used everywhere. | |||
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"I get ripped a lot for it. Probably because I apparently look like I should be a meat eater
Still my eggs and honey though so not a vegan really. Though most aren’t as animal parts are used everywhere."I still eat eggs because my friend has chickens so she gives me them and I don't feel guilty as I know those are some happy, free roaming chickens!...Not sure I could cope without eggs! | |||
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"I get ripped a lot for it. Probably because I apparently look like I should be a meat eater
Still my eggs and honey though so not a vegan really. Though most aren’t as animal parts are used everywhere.
I still eat eggs because my friend has chickens so she gives me them and I don't feel guilty as I know those are some happy, free roaming chickens!...Not sure I could cope without eggs!"Yup my chickens also thinking about quail. Hives are next to one of my offices so help for honey | |||
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"You want to save the planet with your dietary choices? Then stop eating anything imported. Stop eating so damn much. Stop finding excuses to eat fast food and eat real food. Eat local and get real about farming methods for animals and crops. " | |||
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"I feel superior about people for reasons other than my veganism." Lol I do too | |||
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"You want to save the planet with your dietary choices? Then stop eating anything imported. Stop eating so damn much. Stop finding excuses to eat fast food and eat real food. Eat local and get real about farming methods for animals and crops. " It’s more about consent for me. Animals can’t consent to me harming them and eating them. Therefore I’m not ok with it. | |||
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"You want to save the planet with your dietary choices? Then stop eating anything imported. Stop eating so damn much. Stop finding excuses to eat fast food and eat real food. Eat local and get real about farming methods for animals and crops. It’s more about consent for me. Animals can’t consent to me harming them and eating them. Therefore I’m not ok with it." Don’t kid yourself that eating a vegan diet doesn’t involve killing animals, it does. | |||
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"You want to save the planet with your dietary choices? Then stop eating anything imported. Stop eating so damn much. Stop finding excuses to eat fast food and eat real food. Eat local and get real about farming methods for animals and crops. It’s more about consent for me. Animals can’t consent to me harming them and eating them. Therefore I’m not ok with it. Don’t kid yourself that eating a vegan diet doesn’t involve killing animals, it does." Still a more responsible diet and the lesser of two evils, so to speak. | |||
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"Well they are superior, they are generally far more healthier and are protecting this world as best as they can, they ultimately do the very best to stop animal cruelty and deforestation, we should all bow to those hero’s Phurghh! Healthier not proven. Protecting the world -how? I'm sure the orangutans would have something to say here. Cruelty - growing crops kills billions of insects, rodents, birds or are we just interested in cute and cuddly. Bow - good grief!" You obviously haven’t really found out much about the food we eat For every lb of meat it takes between 15-20 lbs of vegetable to produce it, farming is primarily done to feed animals and that’s approximately 80% of the worlds fields All that is currently on the rise as humans are consuming huge amounts of rainforest for farming, that cases devastation of the planet and the natural ozone of the planet will be affected if it doesn’t stop, in layman’s terms It means we are fucking ourselves over Stop farming animals means less food is needed to be grown so just food for humans and rainforests are left alone I just wish I could be a vegan, tbh meat doesn’t taste as good as it used to anyway but we are just so set in our ways So I’d still bow to the vegans they really are the ones taking care of this world by doing this personal choice and in future we probably will all be anyway Regarding cruelty you really should look online and see what life is like for animals that are farmed | |||
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"You want to save the planet with your dietary choices? Then stop eating anything imported. Stop eating so damn much. Stop finding excuses to eat fast food and eat real food. Eat local and get real about farming methods for animals and crops. It’s more about consent for me. Animals can’t consent to me harming them and eating them. Therefore I’m not ok with it. Don’t kid yourself that eating a vegan diet doesn’t involve killing animals, it does." Well, I try and harm as few animals as possible. I'm an intelligent person who realises I can't live a perfect life. But I'm not going to eat or use animal products just because someone on the internet thinks it's pointless.
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"Well they are superior, they are generally far more healthier and are protecting this world as best as they can, they ultimately do the very best to stop animal cruelty and deforestation, we should all bow to those hero’s " Not so! Eat lots of imported food stuff plus either have to eat fortified foods or have vit b12 injections ... vegetarians are healthy because we're omnivores not vegans (the animal equivalent to a vegetarian) | |||
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"No. I find that people who eat meat complain more about vegans, than vegans mention ‘I’m vegan’. I’ve known some vegans for years and I never would have known if we hadn’t gone out for dinner, or I hadn’t been asking them if they wanted something and they couldn’t. #LeaveVegansAlone" | |||
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"My kebab shop might close ..........nooooooooooo" I'm sure you could find another donar... | |||
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"Personally I'm vegan more because when I tried it, it got rid of my IBS, acne and I lost weight. I wouldn't claim I'm saving the planet and I didn't really decide to do it for moral reasons. I did however always feel guilt about eating animal products so its felt like a kind of weight off my shoulders now. I do slip up from time to time, usually when I'm d*unk! I don't lecture anyone unless they start giving me shit for it. I do tell people though if it comes up in conversation as it takes effort and I'm proud of myself for achieving my goals." Need more vegans like you :D | |||
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"Personally I'm vegan more because when I tried it, it got rid of my IBS, acne and I lost weight. I wouldn't claim I'm saving the planet and I didn't really decide to do it for moral reasons. I did however always feel guilt about eating animal products so its felt like a kind of weight off my shoulders now. I do slip up from time to time, usually when I'm d*unk! I don't lecture anyone unless they start giving me shit for it. I do tell people though if it comes up in conversation as it takes effort and I'm proud of myself for achieving my goals." Do you wear leather (not a kinky question)? | |||
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"Do you wear leather (not a kinky question)?" I don't buy myself leather anymore no. I have a couple of leather jackets from my pre-vegan days that I'm not throwing away because, again, I haven't really done it for moral reasons. But I don't buy leather now and I try to go for products I know aren't tested on animals too, so I don't feel guilty. | |||
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"Ok we stopped eating meat. All of us. The livestock would need to be culled surely? I mean who is going to keep a herd of cattle for the sake of it? And all those future animals not born? " You know stupidity is the real cause of climate change. | |||
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"Ok we stopped eating meat. All of us. The livestock would need to be culled surely? I mean who is going to keep a herd of cattle for the sake of it? And all those future animals not born? You know stupidity is the real cause of climate change." That's you done for then. | |||
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"Most people that claim to be vegan aren't actually vegan. Being vegan is more than what you eat. " Well said. | |||
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"I bet most vegans still drive cars, catch planes, use central heating, use plastic and have babies . Saving the planet my arse." I mean... I drive possibly once a month. Go on a plane once a year. Try to wear an extra jumper instead of paying a company to heat my house. Avoid plastic if I can. And I've been sterilised. So... what is it that's *really* bothering you about vegans then? | |||
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"Well they are superior, they are generally far more healthier and are protecting this world as best as they can, they ultimately do the very best to stop animal cruelty and deforestation, we should all bow to those hero’s Not so! Eat lots of imported food stuff plus either have to eat fortified foods or have vit b12 injections ... vegetarians are healthy because we're omnivores not vegans (the animal equivalent to a vegetarian) " I don't personally eat lots of imported or fortified food and I don't have B12 injections. I seem pretty healthy. Certainly haven't got any complaints. | |||
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" I mean... I drive possibly once a month. Go on a plane once a year. Try to wear an extra jumper instead of paying a company to heat my house. Avoid plastic if I can. And I've been sterilised. So... what is it that's *really* bothering you about vegans then?" Err, nothing. I just don't see them as saviours of the planet. | |||
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" I mean... I drive possibly once a month. Go on a plane once a year. Try to wear an extra jumper instead of paying a company to heat my house. Avoid plastic if I can. And I've been sterilised. So... what is it that's *really* bothering you about vegans then? Err, nothing. I just don't see them as saviours of the planet." None of the vegans I know see themselves as saviours of the planet. They see themselves as people who don't use or eat animals that can't consent. | |||
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"I bet most vegans still drive cars, catch planes, use central heating, use plastic and have babies . Saving the planet my arse."
Know they are (slightly) different types, but love that Arnold Schwartznegger remark when he's fighting Silvester Stallone -
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"Does anyone find that most vegans have this underlying sense of superiority over everyone? " No. It's nothing to do with being a vegan or not, more to do with the individuals character. I know a lot of vegans and vegetarians who don't force their views on me or others, I know many non vegetarians who do force their ideas on others. | |||
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"I was a veggie on my 20s and sime people used to go out of their way to pick arguments about it. I was quite shy in those days, and not a "preachy" veggie. Sometimes people feel threatened by anyone "different", -I've had similar reactions more recently when I've been out with drinkers and I've not for whatever reason been drinking. Someone who isn't following the "pack" can make some people feel uncomfortable. I think that says more about them, to be honest." Completely true. I find this in many walks of life and especially on fab. | |||
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"By all means do what you want no judgement but why have quorn chicken or quorn mince or no meat bacon jack fruit pulled pork lol winds me up x" Not wanting to keep or kill animals because you disagree with it ethically doesn't mean that you don't like the way chicken tastes. | |||
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"With the potential to lose many of our insect life, just eating plants won't save them. Their loss is due to loss of habitat and toxins from pesticides, herbicides and fertilisers. Saving the planet includes letting your yard go wild, and eating food that hasn't been grown at cost to nature. Some of these new hydroponic veg factories seen promising. " My garden is pretty wild because I'm lazy. :D | |||
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"With the potential to lose many of our insect life, just eating plants won't save them. Their loss is due to loss of habitat and toxins from pesticides, herbicides and fertilisers. Saving the planet includes letting your yard go wild, and eating food that hasn't been grown at cost to nature. Some of these new hydroponic veg factories seen promising. My garden is pretty wild because I'm lazy. :D" Trim it | |||
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"Growing meat in a lab is the way forward for the future of world food production."
Just like GM crops were too. Look what that has done.
Most people in the west consume 3x the volume of what their body needs and because it's mostly overcooked, it's lost most of the usable nutrients. What really would change things is if people reduced their consumption and made wiser choices about what they consumed.
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"By all means do what you want no judgement but why have quorn chicken or quorn mince or no meat bacon jack fruit pulled pork lol winds me up x" So true!! Why hate meat but still want to try and simulate it! | |||
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"By all means do what you want no judgement but why have quorn chicken or quorn mince or no meat bacon jack fruit pulled pork lol winds me up x So true!! Why hate meat but still want to try and simulate it! " Most vegans don't agree with the killing of animals for food and/or products used by humans. They don't have any particular problem with food that isn't made from animals. | |||
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"Growing meat in a lab is the way forward for the future of world food production.
Just like GM crops were too. Look what that has done.
Most people in the west consume 3x the volume of what their body needs and because it's mostly overcooked, it's lost most of the usable nutrients. What really would change things is if people reduced their consumption and made wiser choices about what they consumed.
Many many studies have shown there's a direct correlation with what we consume and some cancers. This is also a driving reason for any vegetarians and vegans."What did GM crops do? | |||
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" For every lb of meat it takes between 15-20 lbs of vegetable to produce it, farming is primarily done to feed animals and that’s approximately 80% of the worlds fields All that is currently on the rise as humans are consuming huge amounts of rainforest for farming, that cases devastation of the planet and the natural ozone of the planet will be affected if it doesn’t stop, in layman’s terms It means we are fucking ourselves over Stop farming animals means less food is needed to be grown so just food for humans and rainforests are left alone I just wish I could be a vegan, tbh meat doesn’t taste as good as it used to anyway but we are just so set in our ways So I’d still bow to the vegans they really are the ones taking care of this world by doing this personal choice and in future we probably will all be anyway Regarding cruelty you really should look online and see what life is like for animals that are farmed " As Rome burns I will be eating steak medium rare with cream and mustard sauce, mushrooms and chips.. enjoy your lettuce and lecture.. | |||
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"Growing meat in a lab is the way forward for the future of world food production.
Just like GM crops were too. Look what that has done.
Most people in the west consume 3x the volume of what their body needs and because it's mostly overcooked, it's lost most of the usable nutrients. What really would change things is if people reduced their consumption and made wiser choices about what they consumed.
Many many studies have shown there's a direct correlation with what we consume and some cancers. This is also a driving reason for any vegetarians and vegans.
What did GM crops do?"Lab grown meat isn't the same as GM foods. Cells can be taken harmlessly for any animal and can then be cultured in to a pure fat free meat of that animal. The are cells split and grown via vitro cultivation. Technically the cells only needs to harvested once as they can be copied many times over. The meat is then grown; at the moment only in the lab, into whatever needs to be produced. The meat is 100% pure and unmodified. | |||
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"Do you wear leather (not a kinky question)? I don't buy myself leather anymore no. I have a couple of leather jackets from my pre-vegan days that I'm not throwing away because, again, I haven't really done it for moral reasons. But I don't buy leather now and I try to go for products I know aren't tested on animals too, so I don't feel guilty." blah blah sitting on the fence. | |||
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" For every lb of meat it takes between 15-20 lbs of vegetable to produce it, farming is primarily done to feed animals and that’s approximately 80% of the worlds fields All that is currently on the rise as humans are consuming huge amounts of rainforest for farming, that cases devastation of the planet and the natural ozone of the planet will be affected if it doesn’t stop, in layman’s terms It means we are fucking ourselves over Stop farming animals means less food is needed to be grown so just food for humans and rainforests are left alone I just wish I could be a vegan, tbh meat doesn’t taste as good as it used to anyway but we are just so set in our ways So I’d still bow to the vegans they really are the ones taking care of this world by doing this personal choice and in future we probably will all be anyway Regarding cruelty you really should look online and see what life is like for animals that are farmed As Rome burns I will be eating steak medium rare with cream and mustard sauce, mushrooms and chips.. enjoy your lettuce and lecture.. "Is nobody allowed to debate veganism on a post that argues Vegans are supposedly forcing their values on meat eaters? Or are the meat eaters here only allowed to lecture the Vegans? | |||
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" For every lb of meat it takes between 15-20 lbs of vegetable to produce it, farming is primarily done to feed animals and that’s approximately 80% of the worlds fields All that is currently on the rise as humans are consuming huge amounts of rainforest for farming, that cases devastation of the planet and the natural ozone of the planet will be affected if it doesn’t stop, in layman’s terms It means we are fucking ourselves over Stop farming animals means less food is needed to be grown so just food for humans and rainforests are left alone I just wish I could be a vegan, tbh meat doesn’t taste as good as it used to anyway but we are just so set in our ways So I’d still bow to the vegans they really are the ones taking care of this world by doing this personal choice and in future we probably will all be anyway Regarding cruelty you really should look online and see what life is like for animals that are farmed As Rome burns I will be eating steak medium rare with cream and mustard sauce, mushrooms and chips.. enjoy your lettuce and lecture..
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" Lab grown meat isn't the same as GM foods. Cells can be taken harmlessly for any animal and can then be cultured in to a pure fat free meat of that animal. The are cells split and grown via vitro cultivation. Technically the cells only needs to harvested once as they can be copied many times over. The meat is then grown; at the moment only in the lab, into whatever needs to be produced. The meat is 100% pure and unmodified." But still, the original animal has not consented to giving those cells. So vegans will still find that problematic and not eat it. It might be a good environmental solution, but while many vegans do also care about the environment, it is not environmental issues that generally cause them to be vegan. | |||
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"Do you wear leather (not a kinky question)? I don't buy myself leather anymore no. I have a couple of leather jackets from my pre-vegan days that I'm not throwing away because, again, I haven't really done it for moral reasons. But I don't buy leather now and I try to go for products I know aren't tested on animals too, so I don't feel guilty. blah blah sitting on the fence. " People like you mate that really boil my piss. There is no sitting on the fence. Everyone has their own reasons for the choices they make and this woman has outlined hers, she doesn’t actually need to justify anything to anyone but she has. | |||
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" Lab grown meat isn't the same as GM foods. Cells can be taken harmlessly for any animal and can then be cultured in to a pure fat free meat of that animal. The are cells split and grown via vitro cultivation. Technically the cells only needs to harvested once as they can be copied many times over. The meat is then grown; at the moment only in the lab, into whatever needs to be produced. The meat is 100% pure and unmodified. But still, the original animal has not consented to giving those cells. So vegans will still find that problematic and not eat it. It might be a good environmental solution, but while many vegans do also care about the environment, it is not environmental issues that generally cause them to be vegan." | |||
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"By all means do what you want no judgement but why have quorn chicken or quorn mince or no meat bacon jack fruit pulled pork lol winds me up x" This is something that I find odd too. Was in Sainsbury and saw 'vegetarian Duck breasts' wtaf!! That is not Duck, what vegeterian would want to something labelled as animal meat? As for vegans, the word 'bacon' in my head overrides anything said to me. Same as everyone really. | |||
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"By all means do what you want no judgement but why have quorn chicken or quorn mince or no meat bacon jack fruit pulled pork lol winds me up x This is something that I find odd too. Was in Sainsbury and saw 'vegetarian Duck breasts' wtaf!! That is not Duck, what vegeterian would want to something labelled as animal meat? As for vegans, the word 'bacon' in my head overrides anything said to me. Same as everyone really." I'm a vegan who doesn't mind eating stuff labeled as fake animal. Do you know why I don't mind eating stuff that isn't made from animals? Because it's not animals. Because as a vegan I don't eat animals. But I do eat things I like the taste of. And mock duck is actually super tasty. | |||
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"By all means do what you want no judgement but why have quorn chicken or quorn mince or no meat bacon jack fruit pulled pork lol winds me up x This is something that I find odd too. Was in Sainsbury and saw 'vegetarian Duck breasts' wtaf!! That is not Duck, what vegeterian would want to something labelled as animal meat? As for vegans, the word 'bacon' in my head overrides anything said to me. Same as everyone really." That will be because of changing a diet completely is a hell of a difficult thing to do initially, some vegetarians really miss things like a bacon sandwich so whilst they are trying their best so what’s wrong with substitutes, some people just don’t have great cooking skills so need a ready meal but ultimately it’s not meat Even if we all had non meat half the week be it plain veg or substitutes that would be better for us all and less meat consumed beans less farmed less killed I make chilli with Veggy mince for healthy meal and most people I know do too | |||
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"Ok we stopped eating meat. All of us. The livestock would need to be culled surely? I mean who is going to keep a herd of cattle for the sake of it? And all those future animals not born? " Do you think the whole world is going to become vegans overnight ? | |||
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"Personally I'm vegan more because when I tried it, it got rid of my IBS, acne and I lost weight. I wouldn't claim I'm saving the planet and I didn't really decide to do it for moral reasons. I did however always feel guilt about eating animal products so its felt like a kind of weight off my shoulders now. I do slip up from time to time, usually when I'm d*unk! I don't lecture anyone unless they start giving me shit for it. I do tell people though if it comes up in conversation as it takes effort and I'm proud of myself for achieving my goals. Do you wear leather (not a kinky question)?" I’ve not brought any leather in years most shoes and jackets are fake now and it’s not bad quality tbh | |||
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"I once read that something like over 99.9% of all of the species that have ever lived on earth are now extinct. After I read that I cannot too excited about a few lions or monkeys.. Humans will surely become extinct too.. " Yes I’m sure lots of people don’t really give a damm either be it evolution or down to man but we should care about the world if not for us but the future of mankind and a future where we don’t damage the resources we have | |||
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"Why try to separate humans from the animal kingdom? We are mammals just like those in the animal world. We compete for resources just like them and just like a fox in a henhouse when we only need one hen to survive we will kill the lot. " You're quite right. Lets just get back to men smashing women over the head, dragging them back to the cave, and having sex with them against their will... Who needs notions of consent anyway if we're all just animals? | |||
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