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At the end of last year I changed my diet to something more Keto oriented. The results were staggering. In under a month I went from fat and flabby to lean and toned.
Fast forward to the present and I'm still losing weight but also have lost more than 50% of my strength as well as muscle mass.
Is it possible to stay on Keto and not have one's body "eat itself"? |
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"It rounds dangerous OP. You should come off it. "
I'm on the verge of doing just that. I was just wondering if anyone had found a way to get around it. |
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"It rounds dangerous OP. You should come off it.
I'm on the verge of doing just that. I was just wondering if anyone had found a way to get around it."
My missus does it, she will answer when she see this post |
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"You can't be eating enough fat if your body is breaking down muscle mass. "
I don't know much about it but it sounds like it all revolves around glycogen repletion. It seems that once the body uses up it's glycogen reserves it then turns to muscle protein. |
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"At the end of last year I changed my diet to something more Keto oriented. The results were staggering. In under a month I went from fat and flabby to lean and toned.
Fast forward to the present and I'm still losing weight but also have lost more than 50% of my strength as well as muscle mass.
Is it possible to stay on Keto and not have one's body "eat itself"?"
There is also a forum you can join if that helps |
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"At the end of last year I changed my diet to something more Keto oriented. The results were staggering. In under a month I went from fat and flabby to lean and toned.
Fast forward to the present and I'm still losing weight but also have lost more than 50% of my strength as well as muscle mass.
Is it possible to stay on Keto and not have one's body "eat itself"?
There is also a forum you can join if that helps"
Thanks. I'll Google it.  |
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"What ratios of fats proteins and carbs are you having? "
I am from Southern Africa so I make what is known as biltong (cured dried beef) I make it from a silverside cut which means it has a large portion of fat. I also eat loads of other meat and eat the fatty bits too. I try to have lots of different types of fat.
My carb intake has gone from loads of pasta, rice, sugary sweets and loads of sugary softdrinks to virtually no carbs at all. Just incidentally on this diet I suffered from IBS. IBS has now vanished completely. |
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"You can't be eating enough fat if your body is breaking down muscle mass.
I don't know much about it but it sounds like it all revolves around glycogen repletion. It seems that once the body uses up it's glycogen reserves it then turns to muscle protein. "
You have the key in your own answer here OP. If muscle is being consumed to release glycogen then your food ratios are insufficient and/or insufficient quantity of food. If your body has changed a lot since you started the diet, it's probably time for a review.
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I did the bacon keto diet 4 month back. 28 days just bacon morning noon night Body fat dropped to 10.2% , blood pressure improved, strength increased, better sleep,
There wasnt a down side to it it was brilliant. |
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Also ill add- dont stay on it. You need a varied diet, you need carbs, sugers, fats, naturally found vitimins within your daily intake. Or you'll find your body will convert protiens/fats ect to insulins witch can lead to diabetes ect. I yoyo it so march every year go keto for a month after a winter bulk. |
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I am on keto and have done keto before. However I didn't stay completely off carbs when I was training I did a carb refeed once a week to replenish glycogen levels so may be worth looking in to that. |
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"You can't be eating enough fat if your body is breaking down muscle mass.
I don't know much about it but it sounds like it all revolves around glycogen repletion. It seems that once the body uses up it's glycogen reserves it then turns to muscle protein.
You have the key in your own answer here OP. If muscle is being consumed to release glycogen then your food ratios are insufficient and/or insufficient quantity of food. If your body has changed a lot since you started the diet, it's probably time for a review.
Mrs"
Thanks for the good advice everyone.
Because the diet has worked so well for me, not just weightwise but healthwise too I'm reluctant to give it up. But it looks like a diet you only do for a short time.
I'm going to go for one last ditch attempt using l-glutamine otherwise it's back to Italian food  |
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"Once my new kitchen goes in I am going to be giving it a whirl.
If anyone knows of any good online resources into this please let me know. "
If you have Netflix I recommend that you watch a documentary called "The Magic Pill". Also "In Defense of Food". Find out how big food has been funding "science" that tells us to buy food that is cheap for them to manufacture not necessarily what's good for us. A real eye opener! |
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"Once my new kitchen goes in I am going to be giving it a whirl.
If anyone knows of any good online resources into this please let me know.
If you have Netflix I recommend that you watch a documentary called "The Magic Pill". Also "In Defense of Food". Find out how big food has been funding "science" that tells us to buy food that is cheap for them to manufacture not necessarily what's good for us. A real eye opener!"
Hey there.
A little keto essay coming right up...
I recommend ketogenic forum for any keto questions. Wealth of knowledge from new and old keto peeps.
Initial loss of muscle will resume back once your body becomes fat adapted which takes around 2 months... I was lifting 30kg with a 17.5kg bar for deadlifts and I'm a smurf.
I did keto the majority of last year and lost 3st as a result. I then came off it for about 6 months however still carefulish what I ate so didn't put more than a 4 pounds back on. I started keto again a month ago as I have another 3st to loose but more importantly I found myself getting sick again when I came off keto.
For anyone that says it's not sustainable or long term diet I beg to differ.
Health wise:
Obviously lost weight
Ibs completely gone
Psoriasis completely gone
Mental clarity
Feel balanced in my moods
Planta phisiaitus completely gone
Hair skin and nails in great condition now
I never seem to get the flu or colds whilst on keto but once I stop I find myself catching everything
I don't feel hungry or even crave anything. I don't even think about food until I know I need to eat something as my body so much better at telling me what I need and how much Vs when I eat carbs I can eat a man size portion and still crave more food later on that day
Extra bits I take:
Magnesium
B vitamin
Vitamin d3
Ashwaganda drops and maca powder both are adaptagenics and help your body adjust to this diet.. also help lower blood sugars and improve mood... It just keeps me feeling balanced more than anything.
Foods I eat on keto:
Just had mince fajitas but no flatbread , just had it in a salad bowl instead and I could only eat half a bowl as I was full up and I had a pack of ham earlier today.
I do a great pork chop with boiled veg and colliflour mash.
Love dark chocolate and a couple of squares does me just fine
I eat so much healthier now, my meals consist of meat or fish of some description, plenty of veg grown above ground, berries and skyr vanilla yogurt. I cook in butter buy I certainly don't stick any butter in any coffee ... Hate coffee
Steak and salad anyone
For those that have not yet educated themselves properly on this diet, don't judge it .... I'm very educated on the subject and I have done my research
Btw did you know that surgeons recommend this diet for certain cancer sufferers to slow down growth cancer cells as the lack of glucose starves the cancer cells..... I learned that from a lady who I know who was given less than 6 months to live... 4 years ago and she's still here working full time and still living life... Not just existing.
This diet is the opposite of unhealthy
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"Once my new kitchen goes in I am going to be giving it a whirl.
If anyone knows of any good online resources into this please let me know.
If you have Netflix I recommend that you watch a documentary called "The Magic Pill". Also "In Defense of Food". Find out how big food has been funding "science" that tells us to buy food that is cheap for them to manufacture not necessarily what's good for us. A real eye opener!
Hey there.
A little keto essay coming right up...
I recommend ketogenic forum for any keto questions. Wealth of knowledge from new and old keto peeps.
Initial loss of muscle will resume back once your body becomes fat adapted which takes around 2 months... I was lifting 30kg with a 17.5kg bar for deadlifts and I'm a smurf.
I did keto the majority of last year and lost 3st as a result. I then came off it for about 6 months however still carefulish what I ate so didn't put more than a 4 pounds back on. I started keto again a month ago as I have another 3st to loose but more importantly I found myself getting sick again when I came off keto.
For anyone that says it's not sustainable or long term diet I beg to differ.
Health wise:
Obviously lost weight
Ibs completely gone
Psoriasis completely gone
Mental clarity
Feel balanced in my moods
Planta phisiaitus completely gone
Hair skin and nails in great condition now
I never seem to get the flu or colds whilst on keto but once I stop I find myself catching everything
I don't feel hungry or even crave anything. I don't even think about food until I know I need to eat something as my body so much better at telling me what I need and how much Vs when I eat carbs I can eat a man size portion and still crave more food later on that day
Extra bits I take:
Magnesium
B vitamin
Vitamin d3
Ashwaganda drops and maca powder both are adaptagenics and help your body adjust to this diet.. also help lower blood sugars and improve mood... It just keeps me feeling balanced more than anything.
Foods I eat on keto:
Just had mince fajitas but no flatbread , just had it in a salad bowl instead and I could only eat half a bowl as I was full up and I had a pack of ham earlier today.
I do a great pork chop with boiled veg and colliflour mash.
Love dark chocolate and a couple of squares does me just fine
I eat so much healthier now, my meals consist of meat or fish of some description, plenty of veg grown above ground, berries and skyr vanilla yogurt. I cook in butter buy I certainly don't stick any butter in any coffee ... Hate coffee
Steak and salad anyone
For those that have not yet educated themselves properly on this diet, don't judge it .... I'm very educated on the subject and I have done my research
Btw did you know that surgeons recommend this diet for certain cancer sufferers to slow down growth cancer cells as the lack of glucose starves the cancer cells..... I learned that from a lady who I know who was given less than 6 months to live... 4 years ago and she's still here working full time and still living life... Not just existing.
This diet is the opposite of unhealthy
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"I am on keto and have done keto before. However I didn't stay completely off carbs when I was training I did a carb refeed once a week to replenish glycogen levels so may be worth looking in to that. "
If you was eating carbs once a week you was basically undoing any benefit of doing keto, it takes about 3 days for your body to get Into a state of ketosis, so you was only managing that for 3 days every week.
As for op, if you've lost muscle mass you need to up your protein intake |
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over a year ago
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"Once my new kitchen goes in I am going to be giving it a whirl.
If anyone knows of any good online resources into this please let me know.
If you have Netflix I recommend that you watch a documentary called "The Magic Pill". Also "In Defense of Food". Find out how big food has been funding "science" that tells us to buy food that is cheap for them to manufacture not necessarily what's good for us. A real eye opener!
Hey there.
A little keto essay coming right up...
I recommend ketogenic forum for any keto questions. Wealth of knowledge from new and old keto peeps.
Initial loss of muscle will resume back once your body becomes fat adapted which takes around 2 months... I was lifting 30kg with a 17.5kg bar for deadlifts and I'm a smurf.
I did keto the majority of last year and lost 3st as a result. I then came off it for about 6 months however still carefulish what I ate so didn't put more than a 4 pounds back on. I started keto again a month ago as I have another 3st to loose but more importantly I found myself getting sick again when I came off keto.
For anyone that says it's not sustainable or long term diet I beg to differ.
Health wise:
Obviously lost weight
Ibs completely gone
Psoriasis completely gone
Mental clarity
Feel balanced in my moods
Planta phisiaitus completely gone
Hair skin and nails in great condition now
I never seem to get the flu or colds whilst on keto but once I stop I find myself catching everything
I don't feel hungry or even crave anything. I don't even think about food until I know I need to eat something as my body so much better at telling me what I need and how much Vs when I eat carbs I can eat a man size portion and still crave more food later on that day
Extra bits I take:
Magnesium
B vitamin
Vitamin d3
Ashwaganda drops and maca powder both are adaptagenics and help your body adjust to this diet.. also help lower blood sugars and improve mood... It just keeps me feeling balanced more than anything.
Foods I eat on keto:
Just had mince fajitas but no flatbread , just had it in a salad bowl instead and I could only eat half a bowl as I was full up and I had a pack of ham earlier today.
I do a great pork chop with boiled veg and colliflour mash.
Love dark chocolate and a couple of squares does me just fine
I eat so much healthier now, my meals consist of meat or fish of some description, plenty of veg grown above ground, berries and skyr vanilla yogurt. I cook in butter buy I certainly don't stick any butter in any coffee ... Hate coffee
Steak and salad anyone
For those that have not yet educated themselves properly on this diet, don't judge it .... I'm very educated on the subject and I have done my research
Btw did you know that surgeons recommend this diet for certain cancer sufferers to slow down growth cancer cells as the lack of glucose starves the cancer cells..... I learned that from a lady who I know who was given less than 6 months to live... 4 years ago and she's still here working full time and still living life... Not just existing.
This diet is the opposite of unhealthy
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Brilliant! Thank you
How does it work with insulin? Don't we need it for muscle growth? |
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"I am on keto and have done keto before. However I didn't stay completely off carbs when I was training I did a carb refeed once a week to replenish glycogen levels so may be worth looking in to that.
If you was eating carbs once a week you was basically undoing any benefit of doing keto, it takes about 3 days for your body to get Into a state of ketosis, so you was only managing that for 3 days every week.
As for op, if you've lost muscle mass you need to up your protein intake"
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"Once my new kitchen goes in I am going to be giving it a whirl.
If anyone knows of any good online resources into this please let me know.
If you have Netflix I recommend that you watch a documentary called "The Magic Pill". Also "In Defense of Food". Find out how big food has been funding "science" that tells us to buy food that is cheap for them to manufacture not necessarily what's good for us. A real eye opener!
Hey there.
A little keto essay coming right up...
I recommend ketogenic forum for any keto questions. Wealth of knowledge from new and old keto peeps.
Initial loss of muscle will resume back once your body becomes fat adapted which takes around 2 months... I was lifting 30kg with a 17.5kg bar for deadlifts and I'm a smurf.
I did keto the majority of last year and lost 3st as a result. I then came off it for about 6 months however still carefulish what I ate so didn't put more than a 4 pounds back on. I started keto again a month ago as I have another 3st to loose but more importantly I found myself getting sick again when I came off keto.
For anyone that says it's not sustainable or long term diet I beg to differ.
Health wise:
Obviously lost weight
Ibs completely gone
Psoriasis completely gone
Mental clarity
Feel balanced in my moods
Planta phisiaitus completely gone
Hair skin and nails in great condition now
I never seem to get the flu or colds whilst on keto but once I stop I find myself catching everything
I don't feel hungry or even crave anything. I don't even think about food until I know I need to eat something as my body so much better at telling me what I need and how much Vs when I eat carbs I can eat a man size portion and still crave more food later on that day
Extra bits I take:
Magnesium
B vitamin
Vitamin d3
Ashwaganda drops and maca powder both are adaptagenics and help your body adjust to this diet.. also help lower blood sugars and improve mood... It just keeps me feeling balanced more than anything.
Foods I eat on keto:
Just had mince fajitas but no flatbread , just had it in a salad bowl instead and I could only eat half a bowl as I was full up and I had a pack of ham earlier today.
I do a great pork chop with boiled veg and colliflour mash.
Love dark chocolate and a couple of squares does me just fine
I eat so much healthier now, my meals consist of meat or fish of some description, plenty of veg grown above ground, berries and skyr vanilla yogurt. I cook in butter buy I certainly don't stick any butter in any coffee ... Hate coffee
Steak and salad anyone
For those that have not yet educated themselves properly on this diet, don't judge it .... I'm very educated on the subject and I have done my research
Btw did you know that surgeons recommend this diet for certain cancer sufferers to slow down growth cancer cells as the lack of glucose starves the cancer cells..... I learned that from a lady who I know who was given less than 6 months to live... 4 years ago and she's still here working full time and still living life... Not just existing.
This diet is the opposite of unhealthy
Brilliant! Thank you
How does it work with insulin? Don't we need it for muscle growth?"
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What are your calories each day? The more you train the more you should be eating. Muscle doesn't grow unless you're in a calorie surplus.
The good thing about keto is that it uses stored fat as engery if you aren't eating enough fat in the diet, this allows you to up your protein to continue gaining lean muscle mass while simultaneously reducing body fat.
But you still need to be in a calorie surplus to grow. If you find that you're still struggling change your routine. Rep range to 5x5 or 5x3 on compound lifts
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"What are your calories each day? The more you train the more you should be eating. Muscle doesn't grow unless you're in a calorie surplus.
The good thing about keto is that it uses stored fat as engery if you aren't eating enough fat in the diet, this allows you to up your protein to continue gaining lean muscle mass while simultaneously reducing body fat.
But you still need to be in a calorie surplus to grow. If you find that you're still struggling change your routine. Rep range to 5x5 or 5x3 on compound lifts
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I must confess I have never measured my calorie intake. Since I started on keto I found that it takes much less to fill me up and therefore eat a lot less food.
My strength and muscle loss only started once I had lost most of my fat. To give you an idea, before I started keto I could no longer fit into 34" jeans. Almost a month to the day after I started I bought my first 32" inch jeans in 20 years. Those now fall down to my ankles if I don't wear a belt. (The problem is I don't have the strength or energy to lift them up!)  I have gone from a pot belly to being able to put my hand under my ribs 
At the start of keto diet I was able to do a one rep lift of 120kg bench which is nearly 1.5 times my body weight at the time. I now struggle with 60kg.
Everything else is positive. My health is 100%. My mental clarity has improved. My digestive system has never been happier. I feel younger. It's just things that I used to do with ease are now a struggle. Lifting heavy suitcases etc.
Were it not for the irony of the expression as pertains to the subject at hand I would say I want to eat my cake and have it too  |
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Keto is only a short term soloution, you’re not meant to live keto. Consider it fasting, clearly you had results, now go back to what you were doing, and if you get fat again, start keto again |
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"What are your calories each day? The more you train the more you should be eating. Muscle doesn't grow unless you're in a calorie surplus.
The good thing about keto is that it uses stored fat as engery if you aren't eating enough fat in the diet, this allows you to up your protein to continue gaining lean muscle mass while simultaneously reducing body fat.
But you still need to be in a calorie surplus to grow. If you find that you're still struggling change your routine. Rep range to 5x5 or 5x3 on compound lifts
I must confess I have never measured my calorie intake. Since I started on keto I found that it takes much less to fill me up and therefore eat a lot less food.
My strength and muscle loss only started once I had lost most of my fat. To give you an idea, before I started keto I could no longer fit into 34" jeans. Almost a month to the day after I started I bought my first 32" inch jeans in 20 years. Those now fall down to my ankles if I don't wear a belt. (The problem is I don't have the strength or energy to lift them up!) I have gone from a pot belly to being able to put my hand under my ribs
At the start of keto diet I was able to do a one rep lift of 120kg bench which is nearly 1.5 times my body weight at the time. I now struggle with 60kg.
Everything else is positive. My health is 100%. My mental clarity has improved. My digestive system has never been happier. I feel younger. It's just things that I used to do with ease are now a struggle. Lifting heavy suitcases etc.
Were it not for the irony of the expression as pertains to the subject at hand I would say I want to eat my cake and have it too "
Go to the ketogenic forum and explain exactly what you have explained here in there. You will get the right advice from there. |
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"How many calories do you need on keto to still lose weight?"
You'll lose weight on any diet if you're at a calorie deficit. So basically just use more calories than you consume. That's why a lot ofnoep0le do the 5:2 diet as it's the easiest you can stick to. You eat you're normal 2000-2500 calorie meals a day for 5 days and dont eat anything (or a maximum or 500 calories) for 2 days a week, so that puts you at a deficit of 4000-5000 calories a week |
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"You can't be eating enough fat if your body is breaking down muscle mass.
I don't know much about it but it sounds like it all revolves around glycogen repletion. It seems that once the body uses up it's glycogen reserves it then turns to muscle protein.
You have the key in your own answer here OP. If muscle is being consumed to release glycogen then your food ratios are insufficient and/or insufficient quantity of food. If your body has changed a lot since you started the diet, it's probably time for a review.
Mrs
Thanks for the good advice everyone.
Because the diet has worked so well for me, not just weightwise but healthwise too I'm reluctant to give it up. But it looks like a diet you only do for a short time.
I'm going to go for one last ditch attempt using l-glutamine otherwise it's back to Italian food "
nothing wrong with italian food, just avoid pasta and bread, eat the meats cheeses and Mediterranean veg, it's a well balanced diet and throw heavy weights around in the gym to give you your strength and muscle mass back, do a bit of cardio too and you can't go wrong!now all I need to do is follow my own advice! |
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"How many calories do you need on keto to still lose weight?
You'll lose weight on any diet if you're at a calorie deficit. So basically just use more calories than you consume. That's why a lot ofnoep0le do the 5:2 diet as it's the easiest you can stick to. You eat you're normal 2000-2500 calorie meals a day for 5 days and dont eat anything (or a maximum or 500 calories) for 2 days a week, so that puts you at a deficit of 4000-5000 calories a week"
Thanks. The keto diet confuses me because I want sure if only having say 1,3000 calories a day in keto was a bad idea. |
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