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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Just heard a radio ad encouraging..well, you and me basically to phone a hotline if we suspect others of terrorist activities..the natural distrust of the state we all share leaps forward, screams Big Brother alert WARNING! WARNING!...but another voice in me head wonders..aren't we all charged with the responsibility of looking after our society, our home? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Just heard a radio ad encouraging..well, you and me basically to phone a hotline if we suspect others of terrorist activities..the natural distrust of the state we all share leaps forward, screams Big Brother alert WARNING! WARNING!...but another voice in me head wonders..aren't we all charged with the responsibility of looking after our society, our home?"
We are but the saying "The responsiblity of everyone is the responsiblity of no one" springs to mind.
I would be interested to know if they gave any "criteria" for identifying possible "terrorists". Methinks they will not be obvious.
"Incitement to hatred" would be easier to identify. |
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With the blink of an eye I would shop nonce cases, muggers, burglars and drug dealers..and terrorists.
Im just waiting for the civil rights dogooder brigade to get on the case and say its victimising certain 'types' |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"With the blink of an eye I would shop nonce cases, muggers, burglars and drug dealers..and terrorists.
Im just waiting for the civil rights dogooder brigade to get on the case and say its victimising certain 'types'"
That is the thing. Logically any "serious" terrorist is not going to show signs of being a terrorist are they? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I wouldn't think twice I'd shop the cunts straight away no bother and if they wanted a hang man for em I'd do it fa free "
+1 apart from the use of the c word |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Just heard a radio ad encouraging..well, you and me basically to phone a hotline if we suspect others of terrorist activities..the natural distrust of the state we all share leaps forward, screams Big Brother alert WARNING! WARNING!...but another voice in me head wonders..aren't we all charged with the responsibility of looking after our society, our home?"
Yes i would have to although i would make sure i was sure at what i was accusing someone of doing. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I wouldn't think twice I'd shop the cunts straight away no bother and if they wanted a hang man for em I'd do it fa free
+1 apart from the use of the c word "
Sowey it's a rather emotive subject for me for personal reasons xx  |
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"terrorists, benefit cheats, the welsh, i would shop em all. lol"
love the Welsh, tho I'd prefer the multimillionaire tax dodgers to get done any day, over the less than 1% benefit fraud that most benefits have: it's a drop in the ocean, compared to the £billions cheated by tax dodgers. Our NHS, for example, would be in need of no cutbacks if tax was paid.
As for shopping terrorists: I'd shop potential murderers, of any type. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"terrorists, benefit cheats, the welsh, i would shop em all. lol
love the Welsh, tho I'd prefer the multimillionaire tax dodgers to get done any day, over the less than 1% benefit fraud that most benefits have: it's a drop in the ocean, compared to the £billions cheated by tax dodgers. Our NHS, for example, would be in need of no cutbacks if tax was paid.
As for shopping terrorists: I'd shop potential murderers, of any type. "
 they can be very scary in charge of a trolley. |
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" welsh ???..'kay just managed to stop laughing me nut off, to ask why...bad meet in Cardiff or summink?!"
well was gonna say the Dutch (ala micheal kane in goldmember) but remembered im part dutch so it wouldnt work lol.
only thing i have about the welsh is bad childhood holidays in Rhyl lol |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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" welsh ???..'kay just managed to stop laughing me nut off, to ask why...bad meet in Cardiff or summink?!
well was gonna say the Dutch (ala micheal kane in goldmember) but remembered im part dutch so it wouldnt work lol.
only thing i have about the welsh is bad childhood holidays in Rhyl lol"
Awww, put that down to bad parenting surely. |
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" welsh ???..'kay just managed to stop laughing me nut off, to ask why...bad meet in Cardiff or summink?!
well was gonna say the Dutch (ala micheal kane in goldmember) but remembered im part dutch so it wouldnt work lol.
only thing i have about the welsh is bad childhood holidays in Rhyl lol Awww, put that down to bad parenting surely."
i dunno. they did their best.
suppose a holiday is a holiday, but still....Rhyl... its just gotten worse over the years lol |
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By (user no longer on site)
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" welsh ???..'kay just managed to stop laughing me nut off, to ask why...bad meet in Cardiff or summink?!
well was gonna say the Dutch (ala micheal kane in goldmember) but remembered im part dutch so it wouldnt work lol.
only thing i have about the welsh is bad childhood holidays in Rhyl lol Awww, put that down to bad parenting surely.
i dunno. they did their best.
suppose a holiday is a holiday, but still....Rhyl... its just gotten worse over the years lol"
phew and so bliddy windy! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Seriously though my thinking was that they're not actually encouraging us to do something that hasn't been done before...referring to tales of the good ol' days when everyone looked out for one another...simply put, nose deep in each others business, when communities were closer knit..still goes on of course, those particular rumour mills still turn..its just coming from THEM, it often feels more sinister. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It is more suspicious or what you believe is suspicious activity that you would be reporting. Where you have a inkling something is not right or why a certain person is doing something. Better to be safe than sorry. |
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Ok,,,a twist..
Would you shop someone you saw nicking some food in a supermarket if you knew them and knew them to be genuine, on the breadline and hungry
I wouldnt...
And, although I have never stolen anything, I would have absolutely no qualms about stealing food to eat or coal/wood to keep warm if my family had nothing to eat or no means to keep warm.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Just heard a radio ad encouraging..well, you and me basically to phone a hotline if we suspect others of terrorist activities.."
Wouldnt think twice.
I can see the arguments for not shopping people for minor things… but possible terrorism that could kill thousands and change the way this country runs? No brainer.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It is more suspicious or what you believe is suspicious activity that you would be reporting. Where you have a inkling something is not right or why a certain person is doing something. Better to be safe than sorry."
That'll sound really convincing when you phone in!  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Ok,,,a twist..
Would you shop someone you saw nicking some food in a supermarket if you knew them and knew them to be genuine, on the breadline and hungry
I wouldnt...
And, although I have never stolen anything, I would have absolutely no qualms about stealing food to eat or coal/wood to keep warm if my family had nothing to eat or no means to keep warm.."
Short answer?? yes
And i would expect and require my child to shop ME if i broke the law as well and im serious on that |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Ok,,,a twist..
Would you shop someone you saw nicking some food in a supermarket if you knew them and knew them to be genuine, on the breadline and hungry
I wouldnt...
And, although I have never stolen anything, I would have absolutely no qualms about stealing food to eat or coal/wood to keep warm if my family had nothing to eat or no means to keep warm..
Short answer?? yes
And i would expect and require my child to shop ME if i broke the law as well and im serious on that"
I've seen the 'Railway Children' would you really have locked Peter up for trying to keep his mother warm whilst his father was in prison having being wrongfully convicted of treason!?  |
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By *els_BellsWoman
over a year ago
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I would yes.
And I would feel no qualms in calling Crimestoppers or terrorist hotline if I suspected something.
I have even rang Crimewatch for recognising someone.
If it is a crime which involves hurting others personally/physically/mentally etc then yes, I'd do it again and again as I have been in a situation where others chose to look the other way. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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 so the nice old gentleman and all the other passengers on the 9.15 would be killed in the derailment cos the children wouldn't have been there to wave their bloomers.
...that's as bad as a terrorist attack |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I would absolutely make a call if I knew of some terrorist scheme going on...but how would I know of such thing?
What I would hate to happen is for people to get totally paranoid about everyone around them, and it scares me a little that this could happen.
There was a guy in the States got bundled off and interrogated for days, for some throw away comment about 'George Bush' that was overheard at his golf club.
Also cases like the locking up of American artist 'Steve Kurtz' his life has been made hell due to paranioa and being 'grassed up'.
Once an innocent person has had a finger pointed at them, it's not easy to shake it off...that's what scares me about this.
One would have to be 'very' sure.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It is more suspicious or what you believe is suspicious activity that you would be reporting. Where you have a inkling something is not right or why a certain person is doing something. Better to be safe than sorry.
That'll sound really convincing when you phone in! "
That is the whole point of it, you are not going to get someone going around saying "I am a terrorist", they want people to ring in with what we may think is mundane, however it could be part of the bigger picture. Your next door neighbour who moved in three months ago and is always smelling of marzipan, does not always mean he likes to decorate cakes. He may well do, but then certain explosives smell of marzipan. Better safe then sorry |
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"With the blink of an eye I would shop nonce cases, muggers, burglars and drug dealers..and terrorists.
Im just waiting for the civil rights dogooder brigade to get on the case and say its victimising certain 'types'
That is the thing. Logically any "serious" terrorist is not going to show signs of being a terrorist are they?"
You be surprised what people give away by their actions etc. the gov web site has load of things to look out for.
Personally I think it is everyone's respond ability to shout out if they think something is wrong. How would you feel if you did not say and then kids were killed. Remember bombs kill no matter age, sex, belief or religion. |
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I reported my neighbours to the RSPCA for cruelty to their dogs. That was easy, I saw them mistreating the dog, rubbing it's nose in poo, heard it crying in pain, and then limping around the garden, but no obvious treatment being sought, the male owner pulling it indoor by it's tail. The RSCPA obviously agreed with me, because the dog has been taken away.
But reporting someone for going away for long periods of time with no reasonable explanation? That's it I'm not looking after next doors cat until he tells me exactly where he goes. Hired a vehicle when he already has one? For me the reasons they give to look for are too ambiguous.
Don't get me wrong, if I saw a guy walking down the street with a large amount of fertiliser and gas I'd probably be a bit suspicious. But would I be more suspicious if the gentleman appeared to be of muslim identity, then if he was white? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It depends on the reason and the people.
Shopping a member of organized crime for example, is very different from shopping a terrorist. For a start, there really aren't very many terrorists, so adverts like these are always impractical.
Shop a member of the Mafia, and your entire family would be killed. Not being dramatic, it's a statement of fact.
I'd think twice about that.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I would if I feel strongly that someone has done something that I would consider as gross misconduct, such as inflicting unnecessary pain and suffering to another living creature, illegal activities such as fraud, drug trafficking, damaging to other people's properties etc. etc...  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It's the criteria that's worrying though.
Amongst the "clues" the Government highlight are to watch out for people who keep their curtains closed, don't talk to neighbors, use local shops & always pay with cash.
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By *astpoetMan
over a year ago
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The problem with things like this is that the general public are generally incredibly badly informed.
Personally i think "shopping" would probably just end up with a lot of people being reported for how they look, call it low level racism if you want, and is unlikely to catch anyone.
There is a reason the security services spend so much money on trying to catch people and that's because it's not easy.
Now i might be odd but relying on a public who are quick to jump the gun or follow knee jerk bandwagons - who can forget the people in portsmouth attacking a pediatricians house after the peado scare stories in the sun - scares the living daylights out of me. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Terrorists, yes, I'd shop them, but it's not my job to police the benefits system. If people are abusing it then that's for the govt to clamp down on, not me to grass on fellow citizens. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It's the criteria that's worrying though.
Amongst the "clues" the Government highlight are to watch out for people who keep their curtains closed, don't talk to neighbors, use local shops & always pay with cash.
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That's everyone in my road |
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By (user no longer on site)
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LOL, I love how many keyboard warriors there are in this thread.
Look guys, retaliation is a logical step for a criminal. Criminals work in gangs for this reason, so that if one of their members is incapacitated, then the others continue the business. If you shop a member of a gang, they work on a Old Testament style of justice, an eye for an eye. Getting murdered or assaulted if you shop a gang member is a very real prospect and not one to be taken lightly simply because you'd *like* to shop them.
I'm willing to bet good money, that 90% of the people in this thread, would back now in a real life situation.
You either have to be a person of astounding moral integrity or else pig-ignorant to interfere with a criminal gang.
I think when most of you are thinking of 'criminality', you're thinking of groups of chavs wandering around being odious like they always are.
The reality is very different. Chavs are the bottom feeders, they have absolutely no money or power. You can shop them as much as you like. But they are not real criminals, they are almost always at the margins of true criminality because they are basically too stupid to be hired by organized criminal gangs, amateurs!
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By (user no longer on site)
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"LOL, I love how many keyboard warriors there are in this thread.
Look guys, retaliation is a logical step for a criminal. Criminals work in gangs for this reason, so that if one of their members is incapacitated, then the others continue the business. If you shop a member of a gang, they work on a Old Testament style of justice, an eye for an eye. Getting murdered or assaulted if you shop a gang member is a very real prospect and not one to be taken lightly simply because you'd *like* to shop them.
I'm willing to bet good money, that 90% of the people in this thread, would back now in a real life situation.
You either have to be a person of astounding moral integrity or else pig-ignorant to interfere with a criminal gang.
I think when most of you are thinking of 'criminality', you're thinking of groups of chavs wandering around being odious like they always are.
The reality is very different. Chavs are the bottom feeders, they have absolutely no money or power. You can shop them as much as you like. But they are not real criminals, they are almost always at the margins of true criminality because they are basically too stupid to be hired by organized criminal gangs, amateurs!
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I know someone from streatham who shopped a middle sized drug dealer. he's only got eight fingers now |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I look on a website teaching law about the concept of someone starving or stealing to feed a deprived family. There is a proposal on "need" being negotiated, but that is not what surprised me.
At the bottom of the article was an ad.
Get your degree essay, guaranteed pass, download and pay here. Bldy cheats!
Is there no hope? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"With the blink of an eye I would shop nonce cases, muggers, burglars and drug dealers..and terrorists.
Im just waiting for the civil rights dogooder brigade to get on the case and say its victimising certain 'types'"
Yes. The suicidal mass-murdering types. Bless 'em. |
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"If someone is breaking the law then i don't see any problem in reporting them. I see more of a problem with people who don't do so."
But would you grass a group of doggers?...or, if you were at a party and the Charlie came out would you walk out and ring crimestoppers?..would any of you?..especially the doggers on here who have said they would grass anyone..
Its all about this 'casting the first stone' business...
(Not picking on you personally KPLP btw xx) |
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"It is more suspicious or what you believe is suspicious activity that you would be reporting. Where you have a inkling something is not right or why a certain person is doing something. Better to be safe than sorry.
That'll sound really convincing when you phone in! "
I have friends who have worked in this business. They are not going to raid a house after one phonecall. It's a jigsaw piece, not the full picture. But if the pieces start coming together, they may turn into a picture |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It is more suspicious or what you believe is suspicious activity that you would be reporting. Where you have a inkling something is not right or why a certain person is doing something. Better to be safe than sorry.
That'll sound really convincing when you phone in!
I have friends who have worked in this business. They are not going to raid a house after one phonecall. It's a jigsaw piece, not the full picture. But if the pieces start coming together, they may turn into a picture"
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38 years ago a friend of mine was blown up whilst out with some constabulary friends with a car bomb.
The B*****ds were never caught although it was known in the community who was to blame. Some time later one of them was blown up whilst attempting to attach another car bomb.
To me it was justice, just wish he'd taken the rest of them with him
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