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Eurovision: Leave or Remain
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I know that this year's Eurovision finished last night but I just want to ask, do you think its time for the UK to leave this contest or stay for another year or so?
I personally think we should leave this contest because not only is it ridiculous seeing us get placed at the bottom with very little points every year, its also embarrassing and humiliating.
As one angry Arsenal fan once said, it's time to go. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I couldn’t really give a hoot I’ve never watched it. Did we come last?"
Yep with only 16 points. 13 from the political vote and 3 from the public vote. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I couldn’t really give a hoot I’ve never watched it. Did we come last?
Yep with only 16 points. 13 from the political vote and 3 from the public vote."
Oh dear. Who won? Can’t be arsed to google |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It's harmless nonsense that happens once a year. Leave it be. If the UK entrants wrote and performed songs that actually kept in with the theme of Eurovision (cheesy pop numbers), instead of trying to write serious music for it, perhaps the luck would improve. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Leave, the uk are one of the top 5 countries that pay the most to Eurovision - it’s why we don’t have to compete in the heats so it’s costing the uk money to go be humiliated, that poor kid didn’t deserve to be last at all.
Will agree with other poster though we should do the usual cheesey pop that is Eurovision if we stay in. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I couldn’t really give a hoot I’ve never watched it. Did we come last?
Yep with only 16 points. 13 from the political vote and 3 from the public vote.
Oh dear. Who won? Can’t be arsed to google "
The Netherlands won |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I couldn’t really give a hoot I’ve never watched it. Did we come last?
Yep with only 16 points. 13 from the political vote and 3 from the public vote.
Oh dear. Who won? Can’t be arsed to google
The Netherlands won"
Ah ok  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"How can it be European anyway with Israel and Australia competing?"
I've just googled the answer.
It's all to do with countries host TV broadcaster being a member of the European broadcasting union, that being a qualification pre-requisite. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"How can it be European anyway with Israel and Australia competing?
I've just googled the answer.
It's all to do with countries host TV broadcaster being a member of the European broadcasting union, that being a qualification pre-requisite."
Oh ok thanks basically more political mumbo jumbo |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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If we were to stay, I suggest that for next year, we should put more heart, effort and passion into the performance but if we end up at the bottom again whether we put effort into it or not, then we leave. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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We don't get the rhythm of Europe so we should turn our back on it?
I've heard that before somewhere.
UK is in danger of becoming incredibly insular and parochial.
Stop the world I wanna get off, eh? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It's harmless nonsense that happens once a year. Leave it be. If the UK entrants wrote and performed songs that actually kept in with the theme of Eurovision (cheesy pop numbers), instead of trying to write serious music for it, perhaps the luck would improve."
Ed Sheeran or Adele could sing our entry and we still wouldn’t win!
The only reason we ever make it through to the final is because we put the most money into it I believe, take our financial backing out and will there be a contest at all? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I've never understood why we continue to participate in the bloody thing.
I mean think about it. None of the other countries really want to vote for us - even long before we decided to leave the EU, and would we really want to win it anyway, given that we'd have to host the following years contest at great expense.
No, I reckon that we should announce to Eurovision that we will no longer take part when we have left the EU.
Mind you, I don't know why they still call it Eurovision.
Last time I checked neither Israel nor Australia were in Europe.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It's harmless nonsense that happens once a year. Leave it be. If the UK entrants wrote and performed songs that actually kept in with the theme of Eurovision (cheesy pop numbers), instead of trying to write serious music for it, perhaps the luck would improve."
I'm guessing you haven't actually watched Eurovision for a few years. There are more "serious" songs than classic Eurovision cheese these days. And from countries that win, or come close.
Not saying you SHOULDN'T be right, I watch Eurovision for the maniacs but they are few and far between nowadays |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I've never understood why we continue to participate in the bloody thing.
I mean think about it. None of the other countries really want to vote for us - even long before we decided to leave the EU, and would we really want to win it anyway, given that we'd have to host the following years contest at great expense.
No, I reckon that we should announce to Eurovision that we will no longer take part when we have left the EU.
Mind you, I don't know why they still call it Eurovision.
Last time I checked neither Israel nor Australia were in Europe.
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Why wait until we have left the EU when we could just leave the Eurovision now? |
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No harm in continuing to enter the competition, I just think we should stop being one of the Big 5 who contribute a massive amount to the EBU thereby guaranteeing we are in the final.
(There is some argument that the cash to the EBU also has other benefits outside of the Eurovision contest - but as we never seem to hear or see anything about the EBU other than for 1 weekend in May - I do wonder!)
Let’s come last in the semi finals and save some cash in the process |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"No harm in continuing to enter the competition, I just think we should stop being one of the Big 5 who contribute a massive amount to the EBU thereby guaranteeing we are in the final.
(There is some argument that the cash to the EBU also has other benefits outside of the Eurovision contest - but as we never seem to hear or see anything about the EBU other than for 1 weekend in May - I do wonder!)
Let’s come last in the semi finals and save some cash in the process "
Sounds like a good alternative. It beats having to buy our way into the finals and not put any effort into what to have for a song. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It's the same in Ireland. Neither the BBC or RTÉ want the bother of hosting the event. Both broadcasters have been deliberately selecting amateur and ill prepared acts to represent the UK and Ireland with years now. It's not rocket science, both native english speaking countries could easily come up with winning formula songs if they wanted. Both countries have the talent in spades to produce the best songs and performances, but the broadcasters don't want the bother of being the hosts. If the winner didn't have to host it the following year we might see dramatic changes. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It's the same in Ireland. Neither the BBC or RTÉ want the bother of hosting the event. Both broadcasters have been deliberately selecting amateur and ill prepared acts to represent the UK and Ireland with years now. It's not rocket science, both native english speaking countries could easily come up with winning formula songs if they wanted. Both countries have the talent in spades to produce the best songs and performances, but the broadcasters don't want the bother of being the hosts. If the winner didn't have to host it the following year we might see dramatic changes."
Whilst I'm quite certain you are right that those in charge don't especially want to win, you can't realistically believe we actually could win at this point? The voting has never been about the qualities of the song. Last year's winner being a sterling example |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"It's the same in Ireland. Neither the BBC or RTÉ want the bother of hosting the event. Both broadcasters have been deliberately selecting amateur and ill prepared acts to represent the UK and Ireland with years now. It's not rocket science, both native english speaking countries could easily come up with winning formula songs if they wanted. Both countries have the talent in spades to produce the best songs and performances, but the broadcasters don't want the bother of being the hosts. If the winner didn't have to host it the following year we might see dramatic changes."
Wait a minute. If the broadcasters don't want to bother being hosts, then what is the point of trying to win this contest? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It's the same in Ireland. Neither the BBC or RTÉ want the bother of hosting the event. Both broadcasters have been deliberately selecting amateur and ill prepared acts to represent the UK and Ireland with years now. It's not rocket science, both native english speaking countries could easily come up with winning formula songs if they wanted. Both countries have the talent in spades to produce the best songs and performances, but the broadcasters don't want the bother of being the hosts. If the winner didn't have to host it the following year we might see dramatic changes.
Whilst I'm quite certain you are right that those in charge don't especially want to win, you can't realistically believe we actually could win at this point? The voting has never been about the qualities of the song. Last year's winner being a sterling example"
Having the best / most in vogue song is definitely no guarantee of winning, given the amount of politcal voting, especially in eastern Europe. Still, it would be a lot more interesting if seriously professional entrants were selected. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It's the same in Ireland. Neither the BBC or RTÉ want the bother of hosting the event. Both broadcasters have been deliberately selecting amateur and ill prepared acts to represent the UK and Ireland with years now. It's not rocket science, both native english speaking countries could easily come up with winning formula songs if they wanted. Both countries have the talent in spades to produce the best songs and performances, but the broadcasters don't want the bother of being the hosts. If the winner didn't have to host it the following year we might see dramatic changes.
Wait a minute. If the broadcasters don't want to bother being hosts, then what is the point of trying to win this contest?"
Purely for the prestige. There were much more demand to host the competition when it was used as a showcase for the host country, especially those that were trying to promote themselves as tourism destinations. You still see that today with countries like Malta and Croatia putting major thaught and effort into their entries. |
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If or when we leave the eu will we even be allowed to enter ? Would of thought its just for europe or is that going to be part of the trade deal pmsl off subject but the same thery goes for the euros in football |
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We're in it because we're one of the five idiotic countries that fund it. Your licence fee contributes to the cost of the BBC buying the broadcasting rights from the EBU - somewhere around £400,000. They pay an extortionate fee to guarantee the UK are guaranteed a place in the final. This is without the BBC's running costs - about £700,000 for the duration, plus the presenter's fees. About 5% of Norton, Bruce's etc yearly contracts contain Eurovision annexes.
It's quite odd that the BBC regard Eurovision so highly, given that most of the public don't give a shit, it's almost like there's an old boy's network between the BBC and the EBU...
As for winning, we really don't want to do that. It's really not cost effective, it costs millions and brings in little revenue. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I just think the British and Irish broadcasters should either be honest and leave the competition or enter decently written, choreographed and performed entries that showcase our contemporary musical culture.
They have farce debates here on RTÉ every year where the state broadcaster pretends to be taking the Eurovision seriously. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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"It's never been about talent just an opportunity for sycophantic nations to cosy up to one another.  "
Think about it.
Ethnicities exist in geographic areas.
Borders and nation states are artificial compositions overlaid on geography.
Ethnicities of similar heritage will find taste in the culture and sounds of their neighbours because they share a common descent.
It's not political, it is human nature to like things derived from a similar ethnic background. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"We're in it because we're one of the five idiotic countries that fund it. Your licence fee contributes to the cost of the BBC buying the broadcasting rights from the EBU - somewhere around £400,000. They pay an extortionate fee to guarantee the UK are guaranteed a place in the final. This is without the BBC's running costs - about £700,000 for the duration, plus the presenter's fees. About 5% of Norton, Bruce's etc yearly contracts contain Eurovision annexes.
It's quite odd that the BBC regard Eurovision so highly, given that most of the public don't give a shit, it's almost like there's an old boy's network between the BBC and the EBU...
As for winning, we really don't want to do that. It's really not cost effective, it costs millions and brings in little revenue."
So basically, taking part is complete and utterly pointless. If we don't want to win then we might as well stop taking part as doing so is just a waste of money. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It's never been about talent just an opportunity for sycophantic nations to cosy up to one another.
Think about it.
Ethnicities exist in geographic areas.
Borders and nation states are artificial compositions overlaid on geography.
Ethnicities of similar heritage will find taste in the culture and sounds of their neighbours because they share a common descent.
It's not political, it is human nature to like things derived from a similar ethnic background."
That's very true of course, but it's amazing how many former eastern block countries give Russia their top votes...Russian culture is no more Slavic than Poland's or Lithuania's, yet Russia always seem to have the preferred song. Strange that ?  |
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"No harm in continuing to enter the competition, I just think we should stop being one of the Big 5 who contribute a massive amount to the EBU thereby guaranteeing we are in the final.
(There is some argument that the cash to the EBU also has other benefits outside of the Eurovision contest - but as we never seem to hear or see anything about the EBU other than for 1 weekend in May - I do wonder!)
Let’s come last in the semi finals and save some cash in the process
Sounds like a good alternative. It beats having to buy our way into the finals and not put any effort into what to have for a song."
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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Eurovision started as a way of creating European unity through new technology and broadcasting.
No one expected it to become as big as it is now. It's so popular that Israel and Australia want to be in it. Huge numbers of people in this country love it.
It was simply easier to win when there was only 7, 15, 20 nations participating, especially when the language rules changed and pop sung in English was the aspiration across Europe. Yes, the voting is political in places but we have submitted some really mediocre songs and performances for a number of years - that makes it much harder to win. Plus, we have made great sport of telling the rest of Europe we want nothing to do with them but we still expect them to treat us as a primary special case.
Even without the winning the technology innovation and tests still pop up because of Eurovision.
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