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"That's kind of my point. Sometimes I think there a lot of people in non-jobs who push this kind of agenda unnecessarily. And because it is a "thing" that you need to be seen to be on message scenes and sometimes characters that are completely unnecessary are shoehorned in to movies to tick a box. I fully understand that movie producers need to maximise profit and making on screen relationships as palatable as possible to their audience is a way to do that. The sooner people's identity and preferences stop becoming an issue and simply accepted the better I feel.." I agree with you to a certain degree, it's a bit of a 'chicken and egg' situation though. Acceptance and normalcy will come if these identities are seen regularly and normalised in popular media, but until they are, they will seem 'shoehorned'. Should a characters sexuality be a plot device though? Surely that's more devisive? How often do we see characters in films getting together in hetero sex scenes, which no one bats an eye at but if the character is LGBTQ+ then it's seen as unnecessary and pandering... | |||
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"Yup, i think most organisations have this issue and think its partly a generational thing. I think younger generations are getting to the point where these things arent really thought about. Older generations still hang on to that "its just how it was back then" and shoe-horning is their response to it. Its that "I'm not a homophobe as i know a homosexual" kind of response. Its quite prominent in the military I've found, lots of initiatives led by high level officers to promote LGBT which very much just shine a spotlight on members of that community whereas down the bottom end most folks i know dont give a toss, its so normal now that why does anything need to be said about it. On the film side I'd rather they just right good characters, regardless of gender of sexuality. Exactly as you say. I wish we were at teh point where peopel dont go watch a movie because of some label that a character has but rather because they're a very well-written and nuanced. It will fade in time i think. Then i guess we'll have to discover new minorities. " I agree with you about well written and nuanced characters. Two films that I saw last year; 'Love, Simon' and 'Call me by your name', both fell very much into this category, both mainstream, both about gay relationships, both brilliant. The buzz was about them being 'gay films' however, the more there are, the more it will just be about being a good film. Part if this is driven by the media which, let's face it, is still middle class, white, male and heterosexual. | |||
" I agree with you about well written and nuanced characters. Two films that I saw last year; 'Love, Simon' and 'Call me by your name', both fell very much into this category, both mainstream, both about gay relationships, both brilliant. The buzz was about them being 'gay films' however, the more there are, the more it will just be about being a good film. Part if this is driven by the media which, let's face it, is still middle class, white, male and heterosexual. " The other part is that the majority of audiences are CIS/ hetero "normative". While becoming more widespread and "accepted" amongst all strata of society it is taking some time. | |||
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"From what i've seen of entertainment in general of late, and considering that just over 4% of the population identify as LGTBQ, i'd say this group is actually over represented at present and have little reason to complain." Going off topic a little; seeing as half of the population are female, do you feel that they're being adequately represented? | |||
"If it's not relevant to the story, there's no need to know." Are those hetero kisses and sex scenes relevant to the story? | |||
"From what i've seen of entertainment in general of late, and considering that just over 4% of the population identify as LGTBQ, i'd say this group is actually over represented at present and have little reason to complain. Going off topic a little; seeing as half of the population are female, do you feel that they're being adequately represented? " It's not women complaining of being under represented in this case is it? | |||
"If it's not relevant to the story, there's no need to know. Are those hetero kisses and sex scenes relevant to the story? " I don't know what film you're on about, so I can't answer. | |||
"If it's not relevant to the story, there's no need to know. Are those hetero kisses and sex scenes relevant to the story? I don't know what film you're on about, so I can't answer." Any film where the love interest isn't intrinsic to the plot. | |||
"If it's not relevant to the story, there's no need to know. Are those hetero kisses and sex scenes relevant to the story? I don't know what film you're on about, so I can't answer. Any film where the love interest isn't intrinsic to the plot. " No.. not really. Unless it's relevant or part of the story.. there's no need to see any kissing at all. | |||
"From what i've seen of entertainment in general of late, and considering that just over 4% of the population identify as LGTBQ, i'd say this group is actually over represented at present and have little reason to complain. Going off topic a little; seeing as half of the population are female, do you feel that they're being adequately represented? It's not women complaining of being under represented in this case is it?" No, I'm just looking at your point of percentage representation from a different perspective. You say that LGBTQ+ are over represented against heterosexual people, Im basing it on your percentage representation, should women be represented more in all genres? | |||
"If it's not relevant to the story, there's no need to know. Are those hetero kisses and sex scenes relevant to the story? I don't know what film you're on about, so I can't answer. Any film where the love interest isn't intrinsic to the plot. No.. not really. Unless it's relevant or part of the story.. there's no need to see any kissing at all. " Yet we do or at least heterosexual norm couples, etc. | |||
"From what i've seen of entertainment in general of late, and considering that just over 4% of the population identify as LGTBQ, i'd say this group is actually over represented at present and have little reason to complain. Going off topic a little; seeing as half of the population are female, do you feel that they're being adequately represented? It's not women complaining of being under represented in this case is it? No, I'm just looking at your point of percentage representation from a different perspective. You say that LGBTQ+ are over represented against heterosexual people, Im basing it on your percentage representation, should women be represented more in all genres? " As far as i'm aware women are not complaining of under representation in films nor making a big hoopla about it unlike a very small, but very vocal minority of people. | |||
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"From what i've seen of entertainment in general of late, and considering that just over 4% of the population identify as LGTBQ, i'd say this group is actually over represented at present and have little reason to complain. Going off topic a little; seeing as half of the population are female, do you feel that they're being adequately represented? It's not women complaining of being under represented in this case is it? No, I'm just looking at your point of percentage representation from a different perspective. You say that LGBTQ+ are over represented against heterosexual people, Im basing it on your percentage representation, should women be represented more in all genres? As far as i'm aware women are not complaining of under representation in films nor making a big hoopla about it unlike a very small, but very vocal minority of people." They are actually, there's been an awful lot of complaining, as you put it. That's probably a different discussion though. | |||
"Will they have an award for the best performance by an LGBTQ actor/Actress/Ooooooh I don't know, at the next awards ceremony " Just a touch dismissive there Dash. | |||
"If it's not relevant to the story, there's no need to know. Are those hetero kisses and sex scenes relevant to the story? I don't know what film you're on about, so I can't answer. Any film where the love interest isn't intrinsic to the plot. No.. not really. Unless it's relevant or part of the story.. there's no need to see any kissing at all. Yet we do or at least heterosexual norm couples, etc. " Much of it is gratuitous though, doesn't add to the story. They just give the main character a love interest.. usually so the hero can rescue the girl from something/someone. Most of the time there's no need. As far as LBGTQWERTY goes on big and small screen? Gay, bi women and Trans seem over represented. Unfortunately Trans seems to be the butt of many a joke and gay men seem to be ragingly camp. Bisexual men and Lesbians seem under represented. | |||
"From what i've seen of entertainment in general of late, and considering that just over 4% of the population identify as LGTBQ, i'd say this group is actually over represented at present and have little reason to complain. Going off topic a little; seeing as half of the population are female, do you feel that they're being adequately represented? It's not women complaining of being under represented in this case is it? No, I'm just looking at your point of percentage representation from a different perspective. You say that LGBTQ+ are over represented against heterosexual people, Im basing it on your percentage representation, should women be represented more in all genres? As far as i'm aware women are not complaining of under representation in films nor making a big hoopla about it unlike a very small, but very vocal minority of people. They are actually, there's been an awful lot of complaining, as you put it. That's probably a different discussion though. " There will always be people complaining about something and in today's age, willing SJW's to take up their banner, create messy debate and take the fun out of everything...as they've done in film, music, art and even comedy. | |||
"Will they have an award for the best performance by an LGBTQ actor/Actress/Ooooooh I don't know, at the next awards ceremony Just a touch dismissive there Dash. " I'm descending into tedium | |||
"From what i've seen of entertainment in general of late, and considering that just over 4% of the population identify as LGTBQ, i'd say this group is actually over represented at present and have little reason to complain. Going off topic a little; seeing as half of the population are female, do you feel that they're being adequately represented? It's not women complaining of being under represented in this case is it? No, I'm just looking at your point of percentage representation from a different perspective. You say that LGBTQ+ are over represented against heterosexual people, Im basing it on your percentage representation, should women be represented more in all genres? As far as i'm aware women are not complaining of under representation in films nor making a big hoopla about it unlike a very small, but very vocal minority of people. They are actually, there's been an awful lot of complaining, as you put it. That's probably a different discussion though. There will always be people complaining about something and in today's age, willing SJW's to take up their banner, create messy debate and take the fun out of everything...as they've done in film, music, art and even comedy." In terms of debate, I think that claiming that 'having all of the fun taken out of everything' is rather messy in of itself and is hardly justification for dismissal of minority voices. | |||
"From what i've seen of entertainment in general of late, and considering that just over 4% of the population identify as LGTBQ, i'd say this group is actually over represented at present and have little reason to complain. Going off topic a little; seeing as half of the population are female, do you feel that they're being adequately represented? It's not women complaining of being under represented in this case is it? No, I'm just looking at your point of percentage representation from a different perspective. You say that LGBTQ+ are over represented against heterosexual people, Im basing it on your percentage representation, should women be represented more in all genres? As far as i'm aware women are not complaining of under representation in films nor making a big hoopla about it unlike a very small, but very vocal minority of people." Erm.. yes they are (we'll some people are complaining on behalf of females). Take the new avengers ensemble movies.. care has been taken to parse it down into relative screen time (to the second), number of lines etc.. and there have been articles eschewing the comparative lack of both. | |||
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"From what i've seen of entertainment in general of late, and considering that just over 4% of the population identify as LGTBQ, i'd say this group is actually over represented at present and have little reason to complain. Going off topic a little; seeing as half of the population are female, do you feel that they're being adequately represented? It's not women complaining of being under represented in this case is it? No, I'm just looking at your point of percentage representation from a different perspective. You say that LGBTQ+ are over represented against heterosexual people, Im basing it on your percentage representation, should women be represented more in all genres? As far as i'm aware women are not complaining of under representation in films nor making a big hoopla about it unlike a very small, but very vocal minority of people. Erm.. yes they are (we'll some people are complaining on behalf of females). Take the new avengers ensemble movies.. care has been taken to parse it down into relative screen time (to the second), number of lines etc.. and there have been articles eschewing the comparative lack of both." Careful with the use of the term "female". Apparently some people are now triggered by it  | |||
"From what i've seen of entertainment in general of late, and considering that just over 4% of the population identify as LGTBQ, i'd say this group is actually over represented at present and have little reason to complain. Going off topic a little; seeing as half of the population are female, do you feel that they're being adequately represented? It's not women complaining of being under represented in this case is it? No, I'm just looking at your point of percentage representation from a different perspective. You say that LGBTQ+ are over represented against heterosexual people, Im basing it on your percentage representation, should women be represented more in all genres? As far as i'm aware women are not complaining of under representation in films nor making a big hoopla about it unlike a very small, but very vocal minority of people." Women are complaining and within the industry. It's an old boys network and class matters too. | |||
"From what i've seen of entertainment in general of late, and considering that just over 4% of the population identify as LGTBQ, i'd say this group is actually over represented at present and have little reason to complain. Going off topic a little; seeing as half of the population are female, do you feel that they're being adequately represented? It's not women complaining of being under represented in this case is it? No, I'm just looking at your point of percentage representation from a different perspective. You say that LGBTQ+ are over represented against heterosexual people, Im basing it on your percentage representation, should women be represented more in all genres? As far as i'm aware women are not complaining of under representation in films nor making a big hoopla about it unlike a very small, but very vocal minority of people. Erm.. yes they are (we'll some people are complaining on behalf of females). Take the new avengers ensemble movies.. care has been taken to parse it down into relative screen time (to the second), number of lines etc.. and there have been articles eschewing the comparative lack of both. Careful with the use of the term "female". Apparently some people are now triggered by it "How about none male? | |||
"From what i've seen of entertainment in general of late, and considering that just over 4% of the population identify as LGTBQ, i'd say this group is actually over represented at present and have little reason to complain. Going off topic a little; seeing as half of the population are female, do you feel that they're being adequately represented? It's not women complaining of being under represented in this case is it? No, I'm just looking at your point of percentage representation from a different perspective. You say that LGBTQ+ are over represented against heterosexual people, Im basing it on your percentage representation, should women be represented more in all genres? As far as i'm aware women are not complaining of under representation in films nor making a big hoopla about it unlike a very small, but very vocal minority of people. Women are complaining and within the industry. It's an old boys network and class matters too." Women complaining!!! No way! | |||
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"If it's not relevant to the story, there's no need to know. Are those hetero kisses and sex scenes relevant to the story? I don't know what film you're on about, so I can't answer. Any film where the love interest isn't intrinsic to the plot. No.. not really. Unless it's relevant or part of the story.. there's no need to see any kissing at all. Yet we do or at least heterosexual norm couples, etc. Much of it is gratuitous though, doesn't add to the story. They just give the main character a love interest.. usually so the hero can rescue the girl from something/someone. Most of the time there's no need. As far as LBGTQWERTY goes on big and small screen? Gay, bi women and Trans seem over represented. Unfortunately Trans seems to be the butt of many a joke and gay men seem to be ragingly camp. Bisexual men and Lesbians seem under represented. " I think it's tricky for producers to get genuine trans into scripts (especially in movies where time is compressed) without it being OTT. As far as gay/bi, Hollywood especially seems to polarise a large portion of them - gay men are often effeminate, (or prison gay a la shawshank) and gay women are generally super hot.. There have of course been some outstanding performances.. | |||
"From what i've seen of entertainment in general of late, and considering that just over 4% of the population identify as LGTBQ, i'd say this group is actually over represented at present and have little reason to complain. Going off topic a little; seeing as half of the population are female, do you feel that they're being adequately represented? It's not women complaining of being under represented in this case is it? No, I'm just looking at your point of percentage representation from a different perspective. You say that LGBTQ+ are over represented against heterosexual people, Im basing it on your percentage representation, should women be represented more in all genres? As far as i'm aware women are not complaining of under representation in films nor making a big hoopla about it unlike a very small, but very vocal minority of people. They are actually, there's been an awful lot of complaining, as you put it. That's probably a different discussion though. There will always be people complaining about something and in today's age, willing SJW's to take up their banner, create messy debate and take the fun out of everything...as they've done in film, music, art and even comedy. In terms of debate, I think that claiming that 'having all of the fun taken out of everything' is rather messy in of itself and is hardly justification for dismissal of minority voices. " Spoken like a true SJW. I've not dismissed anything but am just stating the obvious. Overzealous social justice warriors, who I might add, are a very vocal minority have created such a poisonous PC atmosphere that it conditions ppl with opposing viewpoints to have their say for fear of "offending". | |||
"From what i've seen of entertainment in general of late, and considering that just over 4% of the population identify as LGTBQ, i'd say this group is actually over represented at present and have little reason to complain. Going off topic a little; seeing as half of the population are female, do you feel that they're being adequately represented? It's not women complaining of being under represented in this case is it? No, I'm just looking at your point of percentage representation from a different perspective. You say that LGBTQ+ are over represented against heterosexual people, Im basing it on your percentage representation, should women be represented more in all genres? As far as i'm aware women are not complaining of under representation in films nor making a big hoopla about it unlike a very small, but very vocal minority of people. They are actually, there's been an awful lot of complaining, as you put it. That's probably a different discussion though. There will always be people complaining about something and in today's age, willing SJW's to take up their banner, create messy debate and take the fun out of everything...as they've done in film, music, art and even comedy. In terms of debate, I think that claiming that 'having all of the fun taken out of everything' is rather messy in of itself and is hardly justification for dismissal of minority voices. Spoken like a true SJW. I've not dismissed anything but am just stating the obvious. Overzealous social justice warriors, who I might add, are a very vocal minority have created such a poisonous PC atmosphere that it conditions ppl with opposing viewpoints to have their say for fear of "offending"." Couldn't of put it better myself, and it seems the forums are becoming like this also | |||
"From what i've seen of entertainment in general of late, and considering that just over 4% of the population identify as LGTBQ, i'd say this group is actually over represented at present and have little reason to complain. Going off topic a little; seeing as half of the population are female, do you feel that they're being adequately represented? It's not women complaining of being under represented in this case is it? No, I'm just looking at your point of percentage representation from a different perspective. You say that LGBTQ+ are over represented against heterosexual people, Im basing it on your percentage representation, should women be represented more in all genres? As far as i'm aware women are not complaining of under representation in films nor making a big hoopla about it unlike a very small, but very vocal minority of people. They are actually, there's been an awful lot of complaining, as you put it. That's probably a different discussion though. There will always be people complaining about something and in today's age, willing SJW's to take up their banner, create messy debate and take the fun out of everything...as they've done in film, music, art and even comedy. In terms of debate, I think that claiming that 'having all of the fun taken out of everything' is rather messy in of itself and is hardly justification for dismissal of minority voices. Spoken like a true SJW. I've not dismissed anything but am just stating the obvious. Overzealous social justice warriors, who I might add, are a very vocal minority have created such a poisonous PC atmosphere that it conditions ppl with opposing viewpoints to have their say for fear of "offending"." Personally I welcome opposing viewpoints, so long as its debated and not insulting or dismissive, as many of the prior comments have been. The simple reason that it's offending people is because it's offensive, pure and simple. | |||
"From what i've seen of entertainment in general of late, and considering that just over 4% of the population identify as LGTBQ, i'd say this group is actually over represented at present and have little reason to complain. Going off topic a little; seeing as half of the population are female, do you feel that they're being adequately represented? It's not women complaining of being under represented in this case is it? No, I'm just looking at your point of percentage representation from a different perspective. You say that LGBTQ+ are over represented against heterosexual people, Im basing it on your percentage representation, should women be represented more in all genres? As far as i'm aware women are not complaining of under representation in films nor making a big hoopla about it unlike a very small, but very vocal minority of people. They are actually, there's been an awful lot of complaining, as you put it. That's probably a different discussion though. There will always be people complaining about something and in today's age, willing SJW's to take up their banner, create messy debate and take the fun out of everything...as they've done in film, music, art and even comedy. In terms of debate, I think that claiming that 'having all of the fun taken out of everything' is rather messy in of itself and is hardly justification for dismissal of minority voices. Spoken like a true SJW. I've not dismissed anything but am just stating the obvious. Overzealous social justice warriors, who I might add, are a very vocal minority have created such a poisonous PC atmosphere that it conditions ppl with opposing viewpoints to have their say for fear of "offending". Personally I welcome opposing viewpoints, so long as its debated and not insulting or dismissive, as many of the prior comments have been. The simple reason that it's offending people is because it's offensive, pure and simple. " Iv found that opposing views offend in the forums,however I really don't give a fuck Tbh, if I disagree I'm going to say that, I'm not being gagged by the PC brigade who want everything their own way | |||
"From what i've seen of entertainment in general of late, and considering that just over 4% of the population identify as LGTBQ, i'd say this group is actually over represented at present and have little reason to complain. Going off topic a little; seeing as half of the population are female, do you feel that they're being adequately represented? It's not women complaining of being under represented in this case is it? No, I'm just looking at your point of percentage representation from a different perspective. You say that LGBTQ+ are over represented against heterosexual people, Im basing it on your percentage representation, should women be represented more in all genres? As far as i'm aware women are not complaining of under representation in films nor making a big hoopla about it unlike a very small, but very vocal minority of people. They are actually, there's been an awful lot of complaining, as you put it. That's probably a different discussion though. There will always be people complaining about something and in today's age, willing SJW's to take up their banner, create messy debate and take the fun out of everything...as they've done in film, music, art and even comedy. In terms of debate, I think that claiming that 'having all of the fun taken out of everything' is rather messy in of itself and is hardly justification for dismissal of minority voices. Spoken like a true SJW. I've not dismissed anything but am just stating the obvious. Overzealous social justice warriors, who I might add, are a very vocal minority have created such a poisonous PC atmosphere that it conditions ppl with opposing viewpoints to have their say for fear of "offending". Personally I welcome opposing viewpoints, so long as its debated and not insulting or dismissive, as many of the prior comments have been. The simple reason that it's offending people is because it's offensive, pure and simple. " You've proven my point exactly. At no point was I insulting or dismissive, however you class an opposing viewpoint as being such. In order to truly think, you have to risk being offensive. A little something to think on. | |||
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"From what i've seen of entertainment in general of late, and considering that just over 4% of the population identify as LGTBQ, i'd say this group is actually over represented at present and have little reason to complain. Going off topic a little; seeing as half of the population are female, do you feel that they're being adequately represented? It's not women complaining of being under represented in this case is it? No, I'm just looking at your point of percentage representation from a different perspective. You say that LGBTQ+ are over represented against heterosexual people, Im basing it on your percentage representation, should women be represented more in all genres? As far as i'm aware women are not complaining of under representation in films nor making a big hoopla about it unlike a very small, but very vocal minority of people. They are actually, there's been an awful lot of complaining, as you put it. That's probably a different discussion though. There will always be people complaining about something and in today's age, willing SJW's to take up their banner, create messy debate and take the fun out of everything...as they've done in film, music, art and even comedy. In terms of debate, I think that claiming that 'having all of the fun taken out of everything' is rather messy in of itself and is hardly justification for dismissal of minority voices. Spoken like a true SJW. I've not dismissed anything but am just stating the obvious. Overzealous social justice warriors, who I might add, are a very vocal minority have created such a poisonous PC atmosphere that it conditions ppl with opposing viewpoints to have their say for fear of "offending". Personally I welcome opposing viewpoints, so long as its debated and not insulting or dismissive, as many of the prior comments have been. The simple reason that it's offending people is because it's offensive, pure and simple. You've proven my point exactly. At no point was I insulting or dismissive, however you class an opposing viewpoint as being such. In order to truly think, you have to risk being offensive. A little something to think on." I didn't actually say that you had been, I said that some of the comments were. Although calling me a SJW is rather dismissive... | |||
"From what i've seen of entertainment in general of late, and considering that just over 4% of the population identify as LGTBQ, i'd say this group is actually over represented at present and have little reason to complain. Going off topic a little; seeing as half of the population are female, do you feel that they're being adequately represented? It's not women complaining of being under represented in this case is it? No, I'm just looking at your point of percentage representation from a different perspective. You say that LGBTQ+ are over represented against heterosexual people, Im basing it on your percentage representation, should women be represented more in all genres? As far as i'm aware women are not complaining of under representation in films nor making a big hoopla about it unlike a very small, but very vocal minority of people. They are actually, there's been an awful lot of complaining, as you put it. That's probably a different discussion though. There will always be people complaining about something and in today's age, willing SJW's to take up their banner, create messy debate and take the fun out of everything...as they've done in film, music, art and even comedy. In terms of debate, I think that claiming that 'having all of the fun taken out of everything' is rather messy in of itself and is hardly justification for dismissal of minority voices. Spoken like a true SJW. I've not dismissed anything but am just stating the obvious. Overzealous social justice warriors, who I might add, are a very vocal minority have created such a poisonous PC atmosphere that it conditions ppl with opposing viewpoints to have their say for fear of "offending". Personally I welcome opposing viewpoints, so long as its debated and not insulting or dismissive, as many of the prior comments have been. The simple reason that it's offending people is because it's offensive, pure and simple. You've proven my point exactly. At no point was I insulting or dismissive, however you class an opposing viewpoint as being such. In order to truly think, you have to risk being offensive. A little something to think on. I didn't actually say that you had been, I said that some of the comments were. Although calling me a SJW is rather dismissive... " Was just about to chip in with that.. I'd be pissed off being called that. | |||
"From what i've seen of entertainment in general of late, and considering that just over 4% of the population identify as LGTBQ, i'd say this group is actually over represented at present and have little reason to complain. Going off topic a little; seeing as half of the population are female, do you feel that they're being adequately represented? It's not women complaining of being under represented in this case is it? No, I'm just looking at your point of percentage representation from a different perspective. You say that LGBTQ+ are over represented against heterosexual people, Im basing it on your percentage representation, should women be represented more in all genres? As far as i'm aware women are not complaining of under representation in films nor making a big hoopla about it unlike a very small, but very vocal minority of people. They are actually, there's been an awful lot of complaining, as you put it. That's probably a different discussion though. There will always be people complaining about something and in today's age, willing SJW's to take up their banner, create messy debate and take the fun out of everything...as they've done in film, music, art and even comedy. In terms of debate, I think that claiming that 'having all of the fun taken out of everything' is rather messy in of itself and is hardly justification for dismissal of minority voices. Spoken like a true SJW. I've not dismissed anything but am just stating the obvious. Overzealous social justice warriors, who I might add, are a very vocal minority have created such a poisonous PC atmosphere that it conditions ppl with opposing viewpoints to have their say for fear of "offending". Personally I welcome opposing viewpoints, so long as its debated and not insulting or dismissive, as many of the prior comments have been. The simple reason that it's offending people is because it's offensive, pure and simple. You've proven my point exactly. At no point was I insulting or dismissive, however you class an opposing viewpoint as being such. In order to truly think, you have to risk being offensive. A little something to think on. I didn't actually say that you had been, I said that some of the comments were. Although calling me a SJW is rather dismissive... Was just about to chip in with that.. I'd be pissed off being called that. " Meh, I've been called worse. If wanting equality and respect is being one then label me up! | |||
"From what i've seen of entertainment in general of late, and considering that just over 4% of the population identify as LGTBQ, i'd say this group is actually over represented at present and have little reason to complain. Going off topic a little; seeing as half of the population are female, do you feel that they're being adequately represented? It's not women complaining of being under represented in this case is it? No, I'm just looking at your point of percentage representation from a different perspective. You say that LGBTQ+ are over represented against heterosexual people, Im basing it on your percentage representation, should women be represented more in all genres? As far as i'm aware women are not complaining of under representation in films nor making a big hoopla about it unlike a very small, but very vocal minority of people. They are actually, there's been an awful lot of complaining, as you put it. That's probably a different discussion though. There will always be people complaining about something and in today's age, willing SJW's to take up their banner, create messy debate and take the fun out of everything...as they've done in film, music, art and even comedy. In terms of debate, I think that claiming that 'having all of the fun taken out of everything' is rather messy in of itself and is hardly justification for dismissal of minority voices. Spoken like a true SJW. I've not dismissed anything but am just stating the obvious. Overzealous social justice warriors, who I might add, are a very vocal minority have created such a poisonous PC atmosphere that it conditions ppl with opposing viewpoints to have their say for fear of "offending". Personally I welcome opposing viewpoints, so long as its debated and not insulting or dismissive, as many of the prior comments have been. The simple reason that it's offending people is because it's offensive, pure and simple. You've proven my point exactly. At no point was I insulting or dismissive, however you class an opposing viewpoint as being such. In order to truly think, you have to risk being offensive. A little something to think on. I didn't actually say that you had been, I said that some of the comments were. Although calling me a SJW is rather dismissive... Was just about to chip in with that.. I'd be pissed off being called that. " Social Justice Warriors is a big step down from undisputed warrior king of all Asia.. | |||
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"From what i've seen of entertainment in general of late, and considering that just over 4% of the population identify as LGTBQ, i'd say this group is actually over represented at present and have little reason to complain. Going off topic a little; seeing as half of the population are female, do you feel that they're being adequately represented? It's not women complaining of being under represented in this case is it? No, I'm just looking at your point of percentage representation from a different perspective. You say that LGBTQ+ are over represented against heterosexual people, Im basing it on your percentage representation, should women be represented more in all genres? As far as i'm aware women are not complaining of under representation in films nor making a big hoopla about it unlike a very small, but very vocal minority of people. They are actually, there's been an awful lot of complaining, as you put it. That's probably a different discussion though. There will always be people complaining about something and in today's age, willing SJW's to take up their banner, create messy debate and take the fun out of everything...as they've done in film, music, art and even comedy. In terms of debate, I think that claiming that 'having all of the fun taken out of everything' is rather messy in of itself and is hardly justification for dismissal of minority voices. Spoken like a true SJW. I've not dismissed anything but am just stating the obvious. Overzealous social justice warriors, who I might add, are a very vocal minority have created such a poisonous PC atmosphere that it conditions ppl with opposing viewpoints to have their say for fear of "offending". Personally I welcome opposing viewpoints, so long as its debated and not insulting or dismissive, as many of the prior comments have been. The simple reason that it's offending people is because it's offensive, pure and simple. You've proven my point exactly. At no point was I insulting or dismissive, however you class an opposing viewpoint as being such. In order to truly think, you have to risk being offensive. A little something to think on. I didn't actually say that you had been, I said that some of the comments were. Although calling me a SJW is rather dismissive... Was just about to chip in with that.. I'd be pissed off being called that. Social Justice Warriors is a big step down from undisputed warrior king of all Asia.. " Talk about a demotion. | |||
"From what i've seen of entertainment in general of late, and considering that just over 4% of the population identify as LGTBQ, i'd say this group is actually over represented at present and have little reason to complain. Going off topic a little; seeing as half of the population are female, do you feel that they're being adequately represented? It's not women complaining of being under represented in this case is it? No, I'm just looking at your point of percentage representation from a different perspective. You say that LGBTQ+ are over represented against heterosexual people, Im basing it on your percentage representation, should women be represented more in all genres? As far as i'm aware women are not complaining of under representation in films nor making a big hoopla about it unlike a very small, but very vocal minority of people. They are actually, there's been an awful lot of complaining, as you put it. That's probably a different discussion though. There will always be people complaining about something and in today's age, willing SJW's to take up their banner, create messy debate and take the fun out of everything...as they've done in film, music, art and even comedy. In terms of debate, I think that claiming that 'having all of the fun taken out of everything' is rather messy in of itself and is hardly justification for dismissal of minority voices. Spoken like a true SJW. I've not dismissed anything but am just stating the obvious. Overzealous social justice warriors, who I might add, are a very vocal minority have created such a poisonous PC atmosphere that it conditions ppl with opposing viewpoints to have their say for fear of "offending". Personally I welcome opposing viewpoints, so long as its debated and not insulting or dismissive, as many of the prior comments have been. The simple reason that it's offending people is because it's offensive, pure and simple. You've proven my point exactly. At no point was I insulting or dismissive, however you class an opposing viewpoint as being such. In order to truly think, you have to risk being offensive. A little something to think on. I didn't actually say that you had been, I said that some of the comments were. Although calling me a SJW is rather dismissive... Was just about to chip in with that.. I'd be pissed off being called that. Meh, I've been called worse. If wanting equality and respect is being one then label me up! " Clever  the way you deliver that statement makes it seem that anyone who doesn't agree with you doesn't believe in equality (of opportunity, not outcome) and isn't respectful. Point proven, again. | |||
"From what i've seen of entertainment in general of late, and considering that just over 4% of the population identify as LGTBQ, i'd say this group is actually over represented at present and have little reason to complain. Going off topic a little; seeing as half of the population are female, do you feel that they're being adequately represented? It's not women complaining of being under represented in this case is it? No, I'm just looking at your point of percentage representation from a different perspective. You say that LGBTQ+ are over represented against heterosexual people, Im basing it on your percentage representation, should women be represented more in all genres? As far as i'm aware women are not complaining of under representation in films nor making a big hoopla about it unlike a very small, but very vocal minority of people. They are actually, there's been an awful lot of complaining, as you put it. That's probably a different discussion though. There will always be people complaining about something and in today's age, willing SJW's to take up their banner, create messy debate and take the fun out of everything...as they've done in film, music, art and even comedy. In terms of debate, I think that claiming that 'having all of the fun taken out of everything' is rather messy in of itself and is hardly justification for dismissal of minority voices. Spoken like a true SJW. I've not dismissed anything but am just stating the obvious. Overzealous social justice warriors, who I might add, are a very vocal minority have created such a poisonous PC atmosphere that it conditions ppl with opposing viewpoints to have their say for fear of "offending". Couldn't of put it better myself, and it seems the forums are becoming like this also" Exactly this . I don’t come on or comment much at all any longer for this very reason | |||
"From what i've seen of entertainment in general of late, and considering that just over 4% of the population identify as LGTBQ, i'd say this group is actually over represented at present and have little reason to complain. Going off topic a little; seeing as half of the population are female, do you feel that they're being adequately represented? It's not women complaining of being under represented in this case is it? No, I'm just looking at your point of percentage representation from a different perspective. You say that LGBTQ+ are over represented against heterosexual people, Im basing it on your percentage representation, should women be represented more in all genres? As far as i'm aware women are not complaining of under representation in films nor making a big hoopla about it unlike a very small, but very vocal minority of people. They are actually, there's been an awful lot of complaining, as you put it. That's probably a different discussion though. There will always be people complaining about something and in today's age, willing SJW's to take up their banner, create messy debate and take the fun out of everything...as they've done in film, music, art and even comedy. In terms of debate, I think that claiming that 'having all of the fun taken out of everything' is rather messy in of itself and is hardly justification for dismissal of minority voices. Spoken like a true SJW. I've not dismissed anything but am just stating the obvious. Overzealous social justice warriors, who I might add, are a very vocal minority have created such a poisonous PC atmosphere that it conditions ppl with opposing viewpoints to have their say for fear of "offending". Couldn't of put it better myself, and it seems the forums are becoming like this also Exactly this . I don’t come on or comment much at all any longer for this very reason "I don't either but sometimes can't resist  | |||
" Clever the way you deliver that statement makes it seem that anyone who doesn't agree with you doesn't believe in equality (of opportunity, not outcome) and isn't respectful. Point proven, again."I didn't say that, I said "If that makes me"... As I said before; I welcome debate and discussion, I don't expect everyone to agree with me and I respect your right to your views, I will disagree with them and debate them though. Just don't attempt to dismiss or derail the discussion with dismissive labels. | |||
"From what i've seen of entertainment in general of late, and considering that just over 4% of the population identify as LGTBQ, i'd say this group is actually over represented at present and have little reason to complain. Going off topic a little; seeing as half of the population are female, do you feel that they're being adequately represented? It's not women complaining of being under represented in this case is it? No, I'm just looking at your point of percentage representation from a different perspective. You say that LGBTQ+ are over represented against heterosexual people, Im basing it on your percentage representation, should women be represented more in all genres? As far as i'm aware women are not complaining of under representation in films nor making a big hoopla about it unlike a very small, but very vocal minority of people. They are actually, there's been an awful lot of complaining, as you put it. That's probably a different discussion though. There will always be people complaining about something and in today's age, willing SJW's to take up their banner, create messy debate and take the fun out of everything...as they've done in film, music, art and even comedy. In terms of debate, I think that claiming that 'having all of the fun taken out of everything' is rather messy in of itself and is hardly justification for dismissal of minority voices. Spoken like a true SJW. I've not dismissed anything but am just stating the obvious. Overzealous social justice warriors, who I might add, are a very vocal minority have created such a poisonous PC atmosphere that it conditions ppl with opposing viewpoints to have their say for fear of "offending". Couldn't of put it better myself, and it seems the forums are becoming like this also Exactly this . I don’t come on or comment much at all any longer for this very reason
I don't either but sometimes can't resist "but when you both do.. threads like these are the ones you choose to join... | |||
"From what i've seen of entertainment in general of late, and considering that just over 4% of the population identify as LGTBQ, i'd say this group is actually over represented at present and have little reason to complain. Going off topic a little; seeing as half of the population are female, do you feel that they're being adequately represented? It's not women complaining of being under represented in this case is it? No, I'm just looking at your point of percentage representation from a different perspective. You say that LGBTQ+ are over represented against heterosexual people, Im basing it on your percentage representation, should women be represented more in all genres? As far as i'm aware women are not complaining of under representation in films nor making a big hoopla about it unlike a very small, but very vocal minority of people. They are actually, there's been an awful lot of complaining, as you put it. That's probably a different discussion though. There will always be people complaining about something and in today's age, willing SJW's to take up their banner, create messy debate and take the fun out of everything...as they've done in film, music, art and even comedy. In terms of debate, I think that claiming that 'having all of the fun taken out of everything' is rather messy in of itself and is hardly justification for dismissal of minority voices. Spoken like a true SJW. I've not dismissed anything but am just stating the obvious. Overzealous social justice warriors, who I might add, are a very vocal minority have created such a poisonous PC atmosphere that it conditions ppl with opposing viewpoints to have their say for fear of "offending". Personally I welcome opposing viewpoints, so long as its debated and not insulting or dismissive, as many of the prior comments have been. The simple reason that it's offending people is because it's offensive, pure and simple. You've proven my point exactly. At no point was I insulting or dismissive, however you class an opposing viewpoint as being such. In order to truly think, you have to risk being offensive. A little something to think on. I didn't actually say that you had been, I said that some of the comments were. Although calling me a SJW is rather dismissive... Was just about to chip in with that.. I'd be pissed off being called that. Meh, I've been called worse. If wanting equality and respect is being one then label me up! Clever the way you deliver that statement makes it seem that anyone who doesn't agree with you doesn't believe in equality (of opportunity, not outcome) and isn't respectful. Point proven, again.
I didn't say that, I said "If that makes me"...
As I said before; I welcome debate and discussion, I don't expect everyone to agree with me and I respect your right to your views, I will disagree with them and debate them though. Just don't attempt to dismiss or derail the discussion with dismissive labels. "I know exactly what you meant with that last comment as you're a skilled debater. We can agree to disagree and leave it there. | |||
"From what i've seen of entertainment in general of late, and considering that just over 4% of the population identify as LGTBQ, i'd say this group is actually over represented at present and have little reason to complain. Going off topic a little; seeing as half of the population are female, do you feel that they're being adequately represented? It's not women complaining of being under represented in this case is it? No, I'm just looking at your point of percentage representation from a different perspective. You say that LGBTQ+ are over represented against heterosexual people, Im basing it on your percentage representation, should women be represented more in all genres? As far as i'm aware women are not complaining of under representation in films nor making a big hoopla about it unlike a very small, but very vocal minority of people. They are actually, there's been an awful lot of complaining, as you put it. That's probably a different discussion though. There will always be people complaining about something and in today's age, willing SJW's to take up their banner, create messy debate and take the fun out of everything...as they've done in film, music, art and even comedy. In terms of debate, I think that claiming that 'having all of the fun taken out of everything' is rather messy in of itself and is hardly justification for dismissal of minority voices. Spoken like a true SJW. I've not dismissed anything but am just stating the obvious. Overzealous social justice warriors, who I might add, are a very vocal minority have created such a poisonous PC atmosphere that it conditions ppl with opposing viewpoints to have their say for fear of "offending". Couldn't of put it better myself, and it seems the forums are becoming like this also Exactly this . I don’t come on or comment much at all any longer for this very reason
I don't either but sometimes can't resist
but when you both do.. threads like these are the ones you choose to join... "Um...actually no. I stick to more light hearted, non controversial topics in general. Even if I didn't, anyone can participate in any thread. | |||
"From what i've seen of entertainment in general of late, and considering that just over 4% of the population identify as LGTBQ, i'd say this group is actually over represented at present and have little reason to complain. Going off topic a little; seeing as half of the population are female, do you feel that they're being adequately represented? It's not women complaining of being under represented in this case is it? No, I'm just looking at your point of percentage representation from a different perspective. You say that LGBTQ+ are over represented against heterosexual people, Im basing it on your percentage representation, should women be represented more in all genres? As far as i'm aware women are not complaining of under representation in films nor making a big hoopla about it unlike a very small, but very vocal minority of people. They are actually, there's been an awful lot of complaining, as you put it. That's probably a different discussion though. There will always be people complaining about something and in today's age, willing SJW's to take up their banner, create messy debate and take the fun out of everything...as they've done in film, music, art and even comedy. In terms of debate, I think that claiming that 'having all of the fun taken out of everything' is rather messy in of itself and is hardly justification for dismissal of minority voices. Spoken like a true SJW. I've not dismissed anything but am just stating the obvious. Overzealous social justice warriors, who I might add, are a very vocal minority have created such a poisonous PC atmosphere that it conditions ppl with opposing viewpoints to have their say for fear of "offending". Couldn't of put it better myself, and it seems the forums are becoming like this also Exactly this . I don’t come on or comment much at all any longer for this very reason
I don't either but sometimes can't resist
but when you both do.. threads like these are the ones you choose to join... "Well because of the vocal minority on subjects such as this , it’s a necessary thing to do . Just to add balance you see | |||
"From what i've seen of entertainment in general of late, and considering that just over 4% of the population identify as LGTBQ, i'd say this group is actually over represented at present and have little reason to complain. Going off topic a little; seeing as half of the population are female, do you feel that they're being adequately represented? It's not women complaining of being under represented in this case is it? No, I'm just looking at your point of percentage representation from a different perspective. You say that LGBTQ+ are over represented against heterosexual people, Im basing it on your percentage representation, should women be represented more in all genres? As far as i'm aware women are not complaining of under representation in films nor making a big hoopla about it unlike a very small, but very vocal minority of people. They are actually, there's been an awful lot of complaining, as you put it. That's probably a different discussion though. There will always be people complaining about something and in today's age, willing SJW's to take up their banner, create messy debate and take the fun out of everything...as they've done in film, music, art and even comedy. In terms of debate, I think that claiming that 'having all of the fun taken out of everything' is rather messy in of itself and is hardly justification for dismissal of minority voices. Spoken like a true SJW. I've not dismissed anything but am just stating the obvious. Overzealous social justice warriors, who I might add, are a very vocal minority have created such a poisonous PC atmosphere that it conditions ppl with opposing viewpoints to have their say for fear of "offending". Couldn't of put it better myself, and it seems the forums are becoming like this also Exactly this . I don’t come on or comment much at all any longer for this very reason
I don't either but sometimes can't resist
but when you both do.. threads like these are the ones you choose to join...
Um...actually no. I stick to more light hearted, non controversial topics in general. Even if I didn't, anyone can participate in any thread."This was one of those threads.. till you started getting rude with Tea Monkey. It was just debating, till you repeatedly called him a SJW. | |||
"From what i've seen of entertainment in general of late, and considering that just over 4% of the population identify as LGTBQ, i'd say this group is actually over represented at present and have little reason to complain. Going off topic a little; seeing as half of the population are female, do you feel that they're being adequately represented? It's not women complaining of being under represented in this case is it? No, I'm just looking at your point of percentage representation from a different perspective. You say that LGBTQ+ are over represented against heterosexual people, Im basing it on your percentage representation, should women be represented more in all genres? As far as i'm aware women are not complaining of under representation in films nor making a big hoopla about it unlike a very small, but very vocal minority of people. They are actually, there's been an awful lot of complaining, as you put it. That's probably a different discussion though. There will always be people complaining about something and in today's age, willing SJW's to take up their banner, create messy debate and take the fun out of everything...as they've done in film, music, art and even comedy. In terms of debate, I think that claiming that 'having all of the fun taken out of everything' is rather messy in of itself and is hardly justification for dismissal of minority voices. Spoken like a true SJW. I've not dismissed anything but am just stating the obvious. Overzealous social justice warriors, who I might add, are a very vocal minority have created such a poisonous PC atmosphere that it conditions ppl with opposing viewpoints to have their say for fear of "offending". Couldn't of put it better myself, and it seems the forums are becoming like this also Exactly this . I don’t come on or comment much at all any longer for this very reason
I don't either but sometimes can't resist
but when you both do.. threads like these are the ones you choose to join...
Well because of the vocal minority on subjects such as this , it’s a necessary thing to do . Just to add balance you see "If that's what you call it. I imagine if I had some of the feelings either of you are expressing right now. I'd be avoiding any thread about sexuality or LGBT. Needs doing? Fighting the good fight are you? Keeping the world the way you want it.. One Forumite at a time? Good luck stopping the tide boys. | |||
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"I always wonder to what extent media shapes society and to what extent society shapes media? I suppose the two go hand in hand. We all need good role models. People we can identify with to show us we can. The trick is to make characters with diversity that many different people can relate to and don't seem force or out of place. This can be hard when depicting a role where there is not much diversity because when compared to real life they will look out place. But by keeping it real with the outside world will do little to brake down stereotypes in wider society, especially amongst kids who are learning from what they take in. Personally I don't like to see casting/writing for the sake of diversity but I like to see a character that may not be stereotypical for the role but works. After all isn't it all about telling tales and imagination not replicating real life to the letter." I think it's just about story telling. All sorts of people have led amazing lives. Yet we tend to get the same recycled cheesy garbage. | |||
"I always wonder to what extent media shapes society and to what extent society shapes media? I suppose the two go hand in hand. We all need good role models. People we can identify with to show us we can. The trick is to make characters with diversity that many different people can relate to and don't seem force or out of place. This can be hard when depicting a role where there is not much diversity because when compared to real life they will look out place. But by keeping it real with the outside world will do little to brake down stereotypes in wider society, especially amongst kids who are learning from what they take in. Personally I don't like to see casting/writing for the sake of diversity but I like to see a character that may not be stereotypical for the role but works. After all isn't it all about telling tales and imagination not replicating real life to the letter." I agree with you on most of that. It's a point that was raised at the start of the thread; something has to come first really. Media may appear forced to a degree in an attempt to represent minorities but is that simply because we're used to the heteronormal representations? | |||
"From what i've seen of entertainment in general of late, and considering that just over 4% of the population identify as LGTBQ, i'd say this group is actually over represented at present and have little reason to complain. Going off topic a little; seeing as half of the population are female, do you feel that they're being adequately represented? It's not women complaining of being under represented in this case is it? No, I'm just looking at your point of percentage representation from a different perspective. You say that LGBTQ+ are over represented against heterosexual people, Im basing it on your percentage representation, should women be represented more in all genres? As far as i'm aware women are not complaining of under representation in films nor making a big hoopla about it unlike a very small, but very vocal minority of people. They are actually, there's been an awful lot of complaining, as you put it. That's probably a different discussion though. There will always be people complaining about something and in today's age, willing SJW's to take up their banner, create messy debate and take the fun out of everything...as they've done in film, music, art and even comedy. In terms of debate, I think that claiming that 'having all of the fun taken out of everything' is rather messy in of itself and is hardly justification for dismissal of minority voices. Spoken like a true SJW. I've not dismissed anything but am just stating the obvious. Overzealous social justice warriors, who I might add, are a very vocal minority have created such a poisonous PC atmosphere that it conditions ppl with opposing viewpoints to have their say for fear of "offending". Couldn't of put it better myself, and it seems the forums are becoming like this also Exactly this . I don’t come on or comment much at all any longer for this very reason
I don't either but sometimes can't resist
but when you both do.. threads like these are the ones you choose to join...
Um...actually no. I stick to more light hearted, non controversial topics in general. Even if I didn't, anyone can participate in any thread.
This was one of those threads.. till you started getting rude with Tea Monkey. It was just debating, till you repeatedly called him a SJW. "I wasn't rude nor did I label him a SJW, but thought his statements were reminiscent of one. He considered my statements offensive / dismissive but I wasn't offended by a different viewpoint. You truly can't let things settle. Can you? | |||
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"From what i've seen of entertainment in general of late, and considering that just over 4% of the population identify as LGTBQ, i'd say this group is actually over represented at present and have little reason to complain. Going off topic a little; seeing as half of the population are female, do you feel that they're being adequately represented? It's not women complaining of being under represented in this case is it? No, I'm just looking at your point of percentage representation from a different perspective. You say that LGBTQ+ are over represented against heterosexual people, Im basing it on your percentage representation, should women be represented more in all genres? As far as i'm aware women are not complaining of under representation in films nor making a big hoopla about it unlike a very small, but very vocal minority of people. They are actually, there's been an awful lot of complaining, as you put it. That's probably a different discussion though. There will always be people complaining about something and in today's age, willing SJW's to take up their banner, create messy debate and take the fun out of everything...as they've done in film, music, art and even comedy. In terms of debate, I think that claiming that 'having all of the fun taken out of everything' is rather messy in of itself and is hardly justification for dismissal of minority voices. Spoken like a true SJW. I've not dismissed anything but am just stating the obvious. Overzealous social justice warriors, who I might add, are a very vocal minority have created such a poisonous PC atmosphere that it conditions ppl with opposing viewpoints to have their say for fear of "offending". Couldn't of put it better myself, and it seems the forums are becoming like this also Exactly this . I don’t come on or comment much at all any longer for this very reason
I don't either but sometimes can't resist
but when you both do.. threads like these are the ones you choose to join...
Well because of the vocal minority on subjects such as this , it’s a necessary thing to do . Just to add balance you see
If that's what you call it. I imagine if I had some of the feelings either of you are expressing right now. I'd be avoiding any thread about sexuality or LGBT.
Needs doing? Fighting the good fight are you? Keeping the world the way you want it.. One Forumite at a time? Good luck stopping the tide boys."What feelings are those and what have I said? Are you telepathic that you know what my feelings are or do you want to put words in my mouth now?  | |||
"I always wonder to what extent media shapes society and to what extent society shapes media? I suppose the two go hand in hand. We all need good role models. People we can identify with to show us we can. The trick is to make characters with diversity that many different people can relate to and don't seem force or out of place. This can be hard when depicting a role where there is not much diversity because when compared to real life they will look out place. But by keeping it real with the outside world will do little to brake down stereotypes in wider society, especially amongst kids who are learning from what they take in. Personally I don't like to see casting/writing for the sake of diversity but I like to see a character that may not be stereotypical for the role but works. After all isn't it all about telling tales and imagination not replicating real life to the letter." A lot of the media is a self serving cyclone. To go outside the parameters of this thread a little, let's take the example of the Kardashian clan. The media pays them to do things so they can report on them to make money... a metaphorical snake eating it's own tail. (I would love for them all to be completely ignored and not reported on and watch them impose as an entity), but this has caught on.. Effectively all media wants to make money, if making on message produce puts money in their pocket that's what they will do. If the tide turned (which it wont) watch how fast they would change tack.. | |||
"From what i've seen of entertainment in general of late, and considering that just over 4% of the population identify as LGTBQ, i'd say this group is actually over represented at present and have little reason to complain. Going off topic a little; seeing as half of the population are female, do you feel that they're being adequately represented? It's not women complaining of being under represented in this case is it? No, I'm just looking at your point of percentage representation from a different perspective. You say that LGBTQ+ are over represented against heterosexual people, Im basing it on your percentage representation, should women be represented more in all genres? As far as i'm aware women are not complaining of under representation in films nor making a big hoopla about it unlike a very small, but very vocal minority of people. They are actually, there's been an awful lot of complaining, as you put it. That's probably a different discussion though. There will always be people complaining about something and in today's age, willing SJW's to take up their banner, create messy debate and take the fun out of everything...as they've done in film, music, art and even comedy. In terms of debate, I think that claiming that 'having all of the fun taken out of everything' is rather messy in of itself and is hardly justification for dismissal of minority voices. Spoken like a true SJW. I've not dismissed anything but am just stating the obvious. Overzealous social justice warriors, who I might add, are a very vocal minority have created such a poisonous PC atmosphere that it conditions ppl with opposing viewpoints to have their say for fear of "offending". Couldn't of put it better myself, and it seems the forums are becoming like this also Exactly this . I don’t come on or comment much at all any longer for this very reason
I don't either but sometimes can't resist
but when you both do.. threads like these are the ones you choose to join...
Well because of the vocal minority on subjects such as this , it’s a necessary thing to do . Just to add balance you see
If that's what you call it. I imagine if I had some of the feelings either of you are expressing right now. I'd be avoiding any thread about sexuality or LGBT.
Needs doing? Fighting the good fight are you? Keeping the world the way you want it.. One Forumite at a time? Good luck stopping the tide boys."So I should just sit back and say nothing about a subject that I have any feelings about ? I can’t for the life of me see why you are getting het up over this . Is it because I’m not agreeing with the current trend of liberalism relating to the whole LGBQT thing ? Should I be saying that Batman should be getting it on with Robin to fit the criteria of inclusion that the SJW extremists are demanding ? Well sorry , but that’s not going to happen . I’m sick to death of the constant desire for change by all the vocal minorities . I’ve said this before on numerous threads . I’m not unhappy with how the media portray this that or the other at all , and I’m happy to say so . I’m happy with the status quo we have generally , and I’m happy to say that too . And I’ll happily chip in and say so , whatever opinion anyone may have about it . | |||
"From what i've seen of entertainment in general of late, and considering that just over 4% of the population identify as LGTBQ, i'd say this group is actually over represented at present and have little reason to complain. Going off topic a little; seeing as half of the population are female, do you feel that they're being adequately represented? It's not women complaining of being under represented in this case is it? No, I'm just looking at your point of percentage representation from a different perspective. You say that LGBTQ+ are over represented against heterosexual people, Im basing it on your percentage representation, should women be represented more in all genres? As far as i'm aware women are not complaining of under representation in films nor making a big hoopla about it unlike a very small, but very vocal minority of people. They are actually, there's been an awful lot of complaining, as you put it. That's probably a different discussion though. There will always be people complaining about something and in today's age, willing SJW's to take up their banner, create messy debate and take the fun out of everything...as they've done in film, music, art and even comedy. In terms of debate, I think that claiming that 'having all of the fun taken out of everything' is rather messy in of itself and is hardly justification for dismissal of minority voices. Spoken like a true SJW. I've not dismissed anything but am just stating the obvious. Overzealous social justice warriors, who I might add, are a very vocal minority have created such a poisonous PC atmosphere that it conditions ppl with opposing viewpoints to have their say for fear of "offending". Couldn't of put it better myself, and it seems the forums are becoming like this also Exactly this . I don’t come on or comment much at all any longer for this very reason
I don't either but sometimes can't resist
but when you both do.. threads like these are the ones you choose to join...
Um...actually no. I stick to more light hearted, non controversial topics in general. Even if I didn't, anyone can participate in any thread.
This was one of those threads.. till you started getting rude with Tea Monkey. It was just debating, till you repeatedly called him a SJW.
I wasn't rude nor did I label him a SJW, but thought his statements were reminiscent of one. He considered my statements offensive / dismissive but I wasn't offended by a different viewpoint. You truly can't let things settle. Can you?"That's bollocks and you know it. Fact is you came onto the thread to express your view, one you knew may antagonize others attracted to it. Fair enough, I used to do that. I think most people who took the time to read upwards objectively, would side with me on the SJW thing though.. So you implying he's an SJW? Not called him one? Politicians talk like that you know. Why should I let it lie and not call you out on it? If you want to end it.. walk away. | |||
"From what i've seen of entertainment in general of late, and considering that just over 4% of the population identify as LGTBQ, i'd say this group is actually over represented at present and have little reason to complain. Going off topic a little; seeing as half of the population are female, do you feel that they're being adequately represented? It's not women complaining of being under represented in this case is it? No, I'm just looking at your point of percentage representation from a different perspective. You say that LGBTQ+ are over represented against heterosexual people, Im basing it on your percentage representation, should women be represented more in all genres? As far as i'm aware women are not complaining of under representation in films nor making a big hoopla about it unlike a very small, but very vocal minority of people. They are actually, there's been an awful lot of complaining, as you put it. That's probably a different discussion though. There will always be people complaining about something and in today's age, willing SJW's to take up their banner, create messy debate and take the fun out of everything...as they've done in film, music, art and even comedy. In terms of debate, I think that claiming that 'having all of the fun taken out of everything' is rather messy in of itself and is hardly justification for dismissal of minority voices. Spoken like a true SJW. I've not dismissed anything but am just stating the obvious. Overzealous social justice warriors, who I might add, are a very vocal minority have created such a poisonous PC atmosphere that it conditions ppl with opposing viewpoints to have their say for fear of "offending". Couldn't of put it better myself, and it seems the forums are becoming like this also Exactly this . I don’t come on or comment much at all any longer for this very reason
I don't either but sometimes can't resist
but when you both do.. threads like these are the ones you choose to join...
Um...actually no. I stick to more light hearted, non controversial topics in general. Even if I didn't, anyone can participate in any thread.
This was one of those threads.. till you started getting rude with Tea Monkey. It was just debating, till you repeatedly called him a SJW.
I wasn't rude nor did I label him a SJW, but thought his statements were reminiscent of one. He considered my statements offensive / dismissive but I wasn't offended by a different viewpoint. You truly can't let things settle. Can you?
That's bollocks and you know it. Fact is you came onto the thread to express your view, one you knew may antagonize others attracted to it. Fair enough, I used to do that. I think most people who took the time to read upwards objectively, would side with me on the SJW thing though.. So you implying he's an SJW? Not called him one? Politicians talk like that you know.
Why should I let it lie and not call you out on it? If you want to end it.. walk away. "If different viewpoints antagonize people that's their problem. Not mine. You've brilliantly proven my point. Thank you | |||
"From what i've seen of entertainment in general of late, and considering that just over 4% of the population identify as LGTBQ, i'd say this group is actually over represented at present and have little reason to complain. Going off topic a little; seeing as half of the population are female, do you feel that they're being adequately represented? It's not women complaining of being under represented in this case is it? No, I'm just looking at your point of percentage representation from a different perspective. You say that LGBTQ+ are over represented against heterosexual people, Im basing it on your percentage representation, should women be represented more in all genres? As far as i'm aware women are not complaining of under representation in films nor making a big hoopla about it unlike a very small, but very vocal minority of people. They are actually, there's been an awful lot of complaining, as you put it. That's probably a different discussion though. There will always be people complaining about something and in today's age, willing SJW's to take up their banner, create messy debate and take the fun out of everything...as they've done in film, music, art and even comedy. In terms of debate, I think that claiming that 'having all of the fun taken out of everything' is rather messy in of itself and is hardly justification for dismissal of minority voices. Spoken like a true SJW. I've not dismissed anything but am just stating the obvious. Overzealous social justice warriors, who I might add, are a very vocal minority have created such a poisonous PC atmosphere that it conditions ppl with opposing viewpoints to have their say for fear of "offending". Couldn't of put it better myself, and it seems the forums are becoming like this also Exactly this . I don’t come on or comment much at all any longer for this very reason
I don't either but sometimes can't resist
but when you both do.. threads like these are the ones you choose to join...
Well because of the vocal minority on subjects such as this , it’s a necessary thing to do . Just to add balance you see
If that's what you call it. I imagine if I had some of the feelings either of you are expressing right now. I'd be avoiding any thread about sexuality or LGBT.
Needs doing? Fighting the good fight are you? Keeping the world the way you want it.. One Forumite at a time? Good luck stopping the tide boys.
So I should just sit back and say nothing about a subject that I have any feelings about ?
I can’t for the life of me see why you are getting het up over this . Is it because I’m not agreeing with the current trend of liberalism relating to the whole LGBQT thing ? Should I be saying that Batman should be getting it on with Robin to fit the criteria of inclusion that the SJW extremists are demanding ?
Well sorry , but that’s not going to happen .
I’m sick to death of the constant desire for change by all the vocal minorities . I’ve said this before on numerous threads . I’m not unhappy with how the media portray this that or the other at all , and I’m happy to say so . I’m happy with the status quo we have generally , and I’m happy to say that too .
And I’ll happily chip in and say so , whatever opinion anyone may have about it ."I know your views, you know mine. I'm just pointing out you have come into a space knowing what you have to say. Will be met with strong resistance, will be seen as antagonistic. So I don't understand why you get off on doing it? If it bothers you so much, why not post your own threads on it? Then you've got your own soapbox with all the antagonism and likeminded views you want. That's my only issue with you that we've probably not covered yet I stay away from the threads that'll piss me off. You seem to be drawn to them. Though I know you a bit via the Forum and PM, so the occasional snap is to be expected.. right? From either of us? Respectfully? | |||
"From what i've seen of entertainment in general of late, and considering that just over 4% of the population identify as LGTBQ, i'd say this group is actually over represented at present and have little reason to complain. Going off topic a little; seeing as half of the population are female, do you feel that they're being adequately represented? It's not women complaining of being under represented in this case is it? No, I'm just looking at your point of percentage representation from a different perspective. You say that LGBTQ+ are over represented against heterosexual people, Im basing it on your percentage representation, should women be represented more in all genres? As far as i'm aware women are not complaining of under representation in films nor making a big hoopla about it unlike a very small, but very vocal minority of people. They are actually, there's been an awful lot of complaining, as you put it. That's probably a different discussion though. There will always be people complaining about something and in today's age, willing SJW's to take up their banner, create messy debate and take the fun out of everything...as they've done in film, music, art and even comedy. In terms of debate, I think that claiming that 'having all of the fun taken out of everything' is rather messy in of itself and is hardly justification for dismissal of minority voices. Spoken like a true SJW. I've not dismissed anything but am just stating the obvious. Overzealous social justice warriors, who I might add, are a very vocal minority have created such a poisonous PC atmosphere that it conditions ppl with opposing viewpoints to have their say for fear of "offending". Couldn't of put it better myself, and it seems the forums are becoming like this also Exactly this . I don’t come on or comment much at all any longer for this very reason
I don't either but sometimes can't resist
but when you both do.. threads like these are the ones you choose to join...
Um...actually no. I stick to more light hearted, non controversial topics in general. Even if I didn't, anyone can participate in any thread.
This was one of those threads.. till you started getting rude with Tea Monkey. It was just debating, till you repeatedly called him a SJW.
I wasn't rude nor did I label him a SJW, but thought his statements were reminiscent of one. He considered my statements offensive / dismissive but I wasn't offended by a different viewpoint. You truly can't let things settle. Can you?
That's bollocks and you know it. Fact is you came onto the thread to express your view, one you knew may antagonize others attracted to it. Fair enough, I used to do that. I think most people who took the time to read upwards objectively, would side with me on the SJW thing though.. So you implying he's an SJW? Not called him one? Politicians talk like that you know.
Why should I let it lie and not call you out on it? If you want to end it.. walk away.
If different viewpoints antagonize people that's their problem. Not mine. You've brilliantly proven my point. Thank you "A problem you just created, that others have to deal with. How very glorious of you. You're welcome, I'm good at helping people find their inner self. Now, I'm going to be a good boy and step out, let you have the ending you wanted. Otherwise I'm liable to call you something worse than SJW. I'm off. | |||
"From what i've seen of entertainment in general of late, and considering that just over 4% of the population identify as LGTBQ, i'd say this group is actually over represented at present and have little reason to complain. Going off topic a little; seeing as half of the population are female, do you feel that they're being adequately represented? It's not women complaining of being under represented in this case is it? No, I'm just looking at your point of percentage representation from a different perspective. You say that LGBTQ+ are over represented against heterosexual people, Im basing it on your percentage representation, should women be represented more in all genres? As far as i'm aware women are not complaining of under representation in films nor making a big hoopla about it unlike a very small, but very vocal minority of people. They are actually, there's been an awful lot of complaining, as you put it. That's probably a different discussion though. There will always be people complaining about something and in today's age, willing SJW's to take up their banner, create messy debate and take the fun out of everything...as they've done in film, music, art and even comedy. In terms of debate, I think that claiming that 'having all of the fun taken out of everything' is rather messy in of itself and is hardly justification for dismissal of minority voices. Spoken like a true SJW. I've not dismissed anything but am just stating the obvious. Overzealous social justice warriors, who I might add, are a very vocal minority have created such a poisonous PC atmosphere that it conditions ppl with opposing viewpoints to have their say for fear of "offending". Couldn't of put it better myself, and it seems the forums are becoming like this also Exactly this . I don’t come on or comment much at all any longer for this very reason
I don't either but sometimes can't resist
but when you both do.. threads like these are the ones you choose to join...
Um...actually no. I stick to more light hearted, non controversial topics in general. Even if I didn't, anyone can participate in any thread.
This was one of those threads.. till you started getting rude with Tea Monkey. It was just debating, till you repeatedly called him a SJW.
I wasn't rude nor did I label him a SJW, but thought his statements were reminiscent of one. He considered my statements offensive / dismissive but I wasn't offended by a different viewpoint. You truly can't let things settle. Can you?
That's bollocks and you know it. Fact is you came onto the thread to express your view, one you knew may antagonize others attracted to it. Fair enough, I used to do that. I think most people who took the time to read upwards objectively, would side with me on the SJW thing though.. So you implying he's an SJW? Not called him one? Politicians talk like that you know.
Why should I let it lie and not call you out on it? If you want to end it.. walk away.
If different viewpoints antagonize people that's their problem. Not mine. You've brilliantly proven my point. Thank you
A problem you just created, that others have to deal with. How very glorious of you.
You're welcome, I'm good at helping people find their inner self.
Now, I'm going to be a good boy and step out, let you have the ending you wanted. Otherwise I'm liable to call you something worse than SJW.
I'm off.
"I've created nothing. What you've shown is that different viewpoints on subjects you hold dear are a problem...for you. Enjoy | |||
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"What’s SJW? " Social Justice Warrior. | |||
"What’s SJW? Social Justice Warrior. " Ah, okay! | |||
"From what i've seen of entertainment in general of late, and considering that just over 4% of the population identify as LGTBQ, i'd say this group is actually over represented at present and have little reason to complain. Going off topic a little; seeing as half of the population are female, do you feel that they're being adequately represented? It's not women complaining of being under represented in this case is it? No, I'm just looking at your point of percentage representation from a different perspective. You say that LGBTQ+ are over represented against heterosexual people, Im basing it on your percentage representation, should women be represented more in all genres? As far as i'm aware women are not complaining of under representation in films nor making a big hoopla about it unlike a very small, but very vocal minority of people. They are actually, there's been an awful lot of complaining, as you put it. That's probably a different discussion though. There will always be people complaining about something and in today's age, willing SJW's to take up their banner, create messy debate and take the fun out of everything...as they've done in film, music, art and even comedy. In terms of debate, I think that claiming that 'having all of the fun taken out of everything' is rather messy in of itself and is hardly justification for dismissal of minority voices. Spoken like a true SJW. I've not dismissed anything but am just stating the obvious. Overzealous social justice warriors, who I might add, are a very vocal minority have created such a poisonous PC atmosphere that it conditions ppl with opposing viewpoints to have their say for fear of "offending". Couldn't of put it better myself, and it seems the forums are becoming like this also Exactly this . I don’t come on or comment much at all any longer for this very reason
I don't either but sometimes can't resist
but when you both do.. threads like these are the ones you choose to join...
Well because of the vocal minority on subjects such as this , it’s a necessary thing to do . Just to add balance you see
If that's what you call it. I imagine if I had some of the feelings either of you are expressing right now. I'd be avoiding any thread about sexuality or LGBT.
Needs doing? Fighting the good fight are you? Keeping the world the way you want it.. One Forumite at a time? Good luck stopping the tide boys.
So I should just sit back and say nothing about a subject that I have any feelings about ?
I can’t for the life of me see why you are getting het up over this . Is it because I’m not agreeing with the current trend of liberalism relating to the whole LGBQT thing ? Should I be saying that Batman should be getting it on with Robin to fit the criteria of inclusion that the SJW extremists are demanding ?
Well sorry , but that’s not going to happen .
I’m sick to death of the constant desire for change by all the vocal minorities . I’ve said this before on numerous threads . I’m not unhappy with how the media portray this that or the other at all , and I’m happy to say so . I’m happy with the status quo we have generally , and I’m happy to say that too .
And I’ll happily chip in and say so , whatever opinion anyone may have about it .
I know your views, you know mine. I'm just pointing out you have come into a space knowing what you have to say. Will be met with strong resistance, will be seen as antagonistic. So I don't understand why you get off on doing it? If it bothers you so much, why not post your own threads on it? Then you've got your own soapbox with all the antagonism and likeminded views you want.
That's my only issue with you that we've probably not covered yet I stay away from the threads that'll piss me off. You seem to be drawn to them. Though I know you a bit via the Forum and PM, so the occasional snap is to be expected.. right? From either of us? Respectfully?"I don’t need to start a thread of my own when there’s one running do I ? And yes , respectfully , I’m just doing the same as you on this thread . Posting my point of view . | |||
"That's kind of my point. Sometimes I think there a lot of people in non-jobs who push this kind of agenda unnecessarily. And because it is a "thing" that you need to be seen to be on message scenes and sometimes characters that are completely unnecessary are shoehorned in to movies to tick a box. I fully understand that movie producers need to maximise profit and making on screen relationships as palatable as possible to their audience is a way to do that. The sooner people's identity and preferences stop becoming an issue and simply accepted the better I feel.." Sexuality is personal. It's irrelevant.
They don't go out of their way to show that someone is straight. It really does feel like they're shoe horning LGBT+ people into things. | |||
"That's kind of my point. Sometimes I think there a lot of people in non-jobs who push this kind of agenda unnecessarily. And because it is a "thing" that you need to be seen to be on message scenes and sometimes characters that are completely unnecessary are shoehorned in to movies to tick a box. I fully understand that movie producers need to maximise profit and making on screen relationships as palatable as possible to their audience is a way to do that. The sooner people's identity and preferences stop becoming an issue and simply accepted the better I feel.. Sexuality is personal. It's irrelevant.
They don't go out of their way to show that someone is straight. It really does feel like they're shoe horning LGBT+ people into things. "I would argue that the assumption is always 'straight' with regards to media, it's only when it's highlighted that they're not that people are shocked. | |||
"I always wonder to what extent media shapes society and to what extent society shapes media? I suppose the two go hand in hand. We all need good role models. People we can identify with to show us we can. The trick is to make characters with diversity that many different people can relate to and don't seem force or out of place. This can be hard when depicting a role where there is not much diversity because when compared to real life they will look out place. But by keeping it real with the outside world will do little to brake down stereotypes in wider society, especially amongst kids who are learning from what they take in. Personally I don't like to see casting/writing for the sake of diversity but I like to see a character that may not be stereotypical for the role but works. After all isn't it all about telling tales and imagination not replicating real life to the letter. A lot of the media is a self serving cyclone. To go outside the parameters of this thread a little, let's take the example of the Kardashian clan. The media pays them to do things so they can report on them to make money... a metaphorical snake eating it's own tail. (I would love for them all to be completely ignored and not reported on and watch them impose as an entity), but this has caught on.. Effectively all media wants to make money, if making on message produce puts money in their pocket that's what they will do. If the tide turned (which it wont) watch how fast they would change tack.." I get that, money talks in terms of what makes it on the market. I often think the same about porn, if more women wanted to spend their money on porn then more porn would be made with the female lens. But why make porn for a small market when you can make porn that sells on mass. I'm sure it's the same with other media, you push what sells. But then ironicly what you push because it sells also continues to influence what people want to buy. So untill wider diversity is a driving consumer factor they won't change or just continue to pay lip service. So I guess if people want change they'll have to demand and vote with their wallets not just expect produces feed it them at commercial risk. And maybe not enough people (maybe because they don't fall into a minority group) will vote with their wallets because they are quite happy with the status quo. | |||
"From what i've seen of entertainment in general of late, and considering that just over 4% of the population identify as LGTBQ, i'd say this group is actually over represented at present and have little reason to complain. Going off topic a little; seeing as half of the population are female, do you feel that they're being adequately represented? It's not women complaining of being under represented in this case is it? No, I'm just looking at your point of percentage representation from a different perspective. You say that LGBTQ+ are over represented against heterosexual people, Im basing it on your percentage representation, should women be represented more in all genres? As far as i'm aware women are not complaining of under representation in films nor making a big hoopla about it unlike a very small, but very vocal minority of people. They are actually, there's been an awful lot of complaining, as you put it. That's probably a different discussion though. There will always be people complaining about something and in today's age, willing SJW's to take up their banner, create messy debate and take the fun out of everything...as they've done in film, music, art and even comedy. In terms of debate, I think that claiming that 'having all of the fun taken out of everything' is rather messy in of itself and is hardly justification for dismissal of minority voices. Spoken like a true SJW. I've not dismissed anything but am just stating the obvious. Overzealous social justice warriors, who I might add, are a very vocal minority have created such a poisonous PC atmosphere that it conditions ppl with opposing viewpoints to have their say for fear of "offending". Couldn't of put it better myself, and it seems the forums are becoming like this also Exactly this . I don’t come on or comment much at all any longer for this very reason "Me neither anymore and it’s ridiculous that it’s gone that way and I know for a fact others don’t as it’s just not worth it. | |||
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"From what i've seen of entertainment in general of late, and considering that just over 4% of the population identify as LGTBQ, i'd say this group is actually over represented at present and have little reason to complain. Going off topic a little; seeing as half of the population are female, do you feel that they're being adequately represented? It's not women complaining of being under represented in this case is it? No, I'm just looking at your point of percentage representation from a different perspective. You say that LGBTQ+ are over represented against heterosexual people, Im basing it on your percentage representation, should women be represented more in all genres? As far as i'm aware women are not complaining of under representation in films nor making a big hoopla about it unlike a very small, but very vocal minority of people. They are actually, there's been an awful lot of complaining, as you put it. That's probably a different discussion though. There will always be people complaining about something and in today's age, willing SJW's to take up their banner, create messy debate and take the fun out of everything...as they've done in film, music, art and even comedy. In terms of debate, I think that claiming that 'having all of the fun taken out of everything' is rather messy in of itself and is hardly justification for dismissal of minority voices. Spoken like a true SJW. I've not dismissed anything but am just stating the obvious. Overzealous social justice warriors, who I might add, are a very vocal minority have created such a poisonous PC atmosphere that it conditions ppl with opposing viewpoints to have their say for fear of "offending". Couldn't of put it better myself, and it seems the forums are becoming like this also Exactly this . I don’t come on or comment much at all any longer for this very reason
I don't either but sometimes can't resist
but when you both do.. threads like these are the ones you choose to join...
Um...actually no. I stick to more light hearted, non controversial topics in general. Even if I didn't, anyone can participate in any thread.
This was one of those threads.. till you started getting rude with Tea Monkey. It was just debating, till you repeatedly called him a SJW.
I wasn't rude nor did I label him a SJW, but thought his statements were reminiscent of one. He considered my statements offensive / dismissive but I wasn't offended by a different viewpoint. You truly can't let things settle. Can you?
That's bollocks and you know it. Fact is you came onto the thread to express your view, one you knew may antagonize others attracted to it. Fair enough, I used to do that. I think most people who took the time to read upwards objectively, would side with me on the SJW thing though.. So you implying he's an SJW? Not called him one? Politicians talk like that you know.
Why should I let it lie and not call you out on it? If you want to end it.. walk away.
If different viewpoints antagonize people that's their problem. Not mine. You've brilliantly proven my point. Thank you
A problem you just created, that others have to deal with. How very glorious of you.
You're welcome, I'm good at helping people find their inner self.
Now, I'm going to be a good boy and step out, let you have the ending you wanted. Otherwise I'm liable to call you something worse than SJW.
I'm off. "What problem was created? Isn't having differing opinions the point of debate? | |||
"That's kind of my point. Sometimes I think there a lot of people in non-jobs who push this kind of agenda unnecessarily. And because it is a "thing" that you need to be seen to be on message scenes and sometimes characters that are completely unnecessary are shoehorned in to movies to tick a box. I fully understand that movie producers need to maximise profit and making on screen relationships as palatable as possible to their audience is a way to do that. The sooner people's identity and preferences stop becoming an issue and simply accepted the better I feel.. Sexuality is personal. It's irrelevant.
They don't go out of their way to show that someone is straight. It really does feel like they're shoe horning LGBT+ people into things.
I would argue that the assumption is always 'straight' with regards to media, it's only when it's highlighted that they're not that people are shocked. "Good point, it's just assumed they're straight. Still too much of a leap to hope that people wouldn't be shocked.  Shoe horning still required. | |||
"From what i've seen of entertainment in general of late, and considering that just over 4% of the population identify as LGTBQ, i'd say this group is actually over represented at present and have little reason to complain. Going off topic a little; seeing as half of the population are female, do you feel that they're being adequately represented? It's not women complaining of being under represented in this case is it? No, I'm just looking at your point of percentage representation from a different perspective. You say that LGBTQ+ are over represented against heterosexual people, Im basing it on your percentage representation, should women be represented more in all genres? As far as i'm aware women are not complaining of under representation in films nor making a big hoopla about it unlike a very small, but very vocal minority of people. They are actually, there's been an awful lot of complaining, as you put it. That's probably a different discussion though. There will always be people complaining about something and in today's age, willing SJW's to take up their banner, create messy debate and take the fun out of everything...as they've done in film, music, art and even comedy. In terms of debate, I think that claiming that 'having all of the fun taken out of everything' is rather messy in of itself and is hardly justification for dismissal of minority voices. Spoken like a true SJW. I've not dismissed anything but am just stating the obvious. Overzealous social justice warriors, who I might add, are a very vocal minority have created such a poisonous PC atmosphere that it conditions ppl with opposing viewpoints to have their say for fear of "offending". Couldn't of put it better myself, and it seems the forums are becoming like this also Exactly this . I don’t come on or comment much at all any longer for this very reason
Me neither anymore and it’s ridiculous that it’s gone that way and I know for a fact others don’t as it’s just not worth it. " I wholeheartedly agree with you on that.
I've noticed that people who agree with certain opinions are deemed to be passionate, whilst individuals who respectfully disagree are regularly called confrontational and/or aggressive. | |||
"From what i've seen of entertainment in general of late, and considering that just over 4% of the population identify as LGTBQ, i'd say this group is actually over represented at present and have little reason to complain. Going off topic a little; seeing as half of the population are female, do you feel that they're being adequately represented? It's not women complaining of being under represented in this case is it? No, I'm just looking at your point of percentage representation from a different perspective. You say that LGBTQ+ are over represented against heterosexual people, Im basing it on your percentage representation, should women be represented more in all genres? As far as i'm aware women are not complaining of under representation in films nor making a big hoopla about it unlike a very small, but very vocal minority of people. They are actually, there's been an awful lot of complaining, as you put it. That's probably a different discussion though. There will always be people complaining about something and in today's age, willing SJW's to take up their banner, create messy debate and take the fun out of everything...as they've done in film, music, art and even comedy. In terms of debate, I think that claiming that 'having all of the fun taken out of everything' is rather messy in of itself and is hardly justification for dismissal of minority voices. Spoken like a true SJW. I've not dismissed anything but am just stating the obvious. Overzealous social justice warriors, who I might add, are a very vocal minority have created such a poisonous PC atmosphere that it conditions ppl with opposing viewpoints to have their say for fear of "offending". Couldn't of put it better myself, and it seems the forums are becoming like this also Exactly this . I don’t come on or comment much at all any longer for this very reason
Me neither anymore and it’s ridiculous that it’s gone that way and I know for a fact others don’t as it’s just not worth it.
I wholeheartedly agree with you on that.
I've noticed that people who agree with certain opinions are deemed to be passionate, whilst individuals who respectfully disagree are regularly called confrontational and/or aggressive. " | |||
