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By *aeBabe OP Woman
over a year ago
London |
Woman/women is a completely different term to female.
Woman is specific to human beings where as female could refer to any species with the capability of producing eggs and growing a baby. Women/Woman can include those women that are transgender too
"Looking for females" female what? Female dog, female goat, female whale??
No one refers to men as males, so why do that to women?
It's grammatically incorrect and the word most people mean to use is woman.
It's a real pet peeve of mine and when I see both men and women use this term it's so cringy.
Anyone else feel the same?
What's your pet peeve when you read profiles on here? |
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"Woman/women is a completely different term to female.
Woman is specific to human beings where as female could refer to any species with the capability of producing eggs and growing a baby. Women/Woman can include those women that are transgender too
"Looking for females" female what? Female dog, female goat, female whale??
No one refers to men as males, so why do that to women?
It's grammatically incorrect and the word most people mean to use is woman.
It's a real pet peeve of mine and when I see both men and women use this term it's so cringy.
Anyone else feel the same?
What's your pet peeve when you read profiles on here?"
with due respect if this is all you have to worry about your very fortunate and i think you are incorrect sometimes "men" are referred to as males on here lol ![](/icons/s/eek.gif) |
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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago
There and to the left a bit |
I'll be absolutely honest and say this is one peeve I don't necessarily understand - although know some women object to the term, but then some don't.
I often see men referred to as males too, and as one it doesn't bother me in the slightest when I'm referred to as such personally.
Take on board that it's not species specific, but think it's safe to assume that 99.9% of the time it's being used to refer to a human on here - however to play devils advocate what about the term "lady" which can be used to describe other species too - is that also frowned upon? Or even terms like "she" and "her" which are non-species specific?
No disrespect intended at all in any of what I have said, just trying to further my understanding of why, for some, the term "female" is seen as derogatory - after all most official forms list male or female when asking for gender to be specified, likewise things like some public toilets and other every day instances - which may explain why some, like me, don't understand. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Sorry OP but I do usually sometimes use male and female
I haven't really got any pet hates regarding profiles. Some I just like to look at more than others ![](/icons/s/wink.gif) |
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By *inkySeeKinkyDoWoman
over a year ago
'tween PontyCarlo & CasVegas in West Yorks |
"Anyone else feel the same?
What's your pet peeve when you read profiles on here?"
Nope, and my pet peve is folk telling me what descriptive terms i can and cant use when im an adult with my own mind and have far bigger things to worry about than being called a female or a woman when in fact i am indeed both. Step off deary and have a snickers |
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By *aeBabe OP Woman
over a year ago
London |
I love how people assume I have nothing else to worry about and that I need to relax, blah blah blah... some people need to get back under their bridges.
The fab forums isn't my life
But you know... Just a thought I had in a bored moment. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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In a world where the words she, girl, woman sometimes have a loose definition, female at least refers to someone born with XX chromosomes.
Pet peeves? People trying to police normal, day to day language. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"So if a guy has a 3some with 2 women is it now a WMW or a MWW, I'm confused
Me too
Give it 10 years or so! You think you’re confused now! "
I’m permanently confused ![](/icons/s/eek.gif) |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"So if a guy has a 3some with 2 women is it now a WMW or a MWW, I'm confused
Me too
Give it 10 years or so! You think you’re confused now!
I’m permanently confused "
Oi cheeky iv put my pic back on soooooooo move those hands!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"If a woman identifies as a man, and then gives birth, would the headline be
*****MAN GIVES BIRTH*****MAN GIVES BIRTH*****"
Your not pregnant are you Von Riprock ![](/icons/s/eek.gif) |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"So if a guy has a 3some with 2 women is it now a WMW or a MWW, I'm confused
Me too
Give it 10 years or so! You think you’re confused now!
I’m permanently confused
Oi cheeky iv put my pic back on soooooooo move those hands!! "
I did notice Von Riprock ![](/icons/s/biggrin.gif) |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"If a woman identifies as a man, and then gives birth, would the headline be
*****MAN GIVES BIRTH*****MAN GIVES BIRTH*****
Your not pregnant are you Von Riprock "
Noooooooo iv had hysterectomy |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"If a woman identifies as a man, and then gives birth, would the headline be
*****MAN GIVES BIRTH*****MAN GIVES BIRTH*****
Your not pregnant are you Von Riprock
Noooooooo iv had hysterectomy "
That’s ok then as I’ve had the snip ![](/icons/s/biggrin.gif) |
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By *ay19720Man
over a year ago
Ashford kent |
"Woman/women is a completely different term to female.
Woman is specific to human beings where as female could refer to any species with the capability of producing eggs and growing a baby. Women/Woman can include those women that are transgender too
"Looking for females" female what? Female dog, female goat, female whale??
No one refers to men as males, so why do that to women?
It's grammatically incorrect and the word most people mean to use is woman.
It's a real pet peeve of mine and when I see both men and women use this term it's so cringy.
Anyone else feel the same?
What's your pet peeve when you read profiles on here?"
My peeve..
Women that moan over nothing. . ![](/icons/s/mrgreen.gif) |
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By *aeBabe OP Woman
over a year ago
London |
"I think some women dislike the term as it is often used in a derogatory way towards women. Not something I do myself but I have heard it used like that in the past."
That's my point. That it can be seen as a derogatory term, to refer to a woman as just female. Sure, single bi female we know you mean a woman or "female politician/ female singer". Out in the "real" world surely people don't use the English language like this and say "I'm attracted to males".
But you know, this thread has now become a playground for weirdos... always a few
Just thought there would be more intelligent constructive posts, but hey ho |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I think some women dislike the term as it is often used in a derogatory way towards women. Not something I do myself but I have heard it used like that in the past.
That's my point. That it can be seen as a derogatory term, to refer to a woman as just female. Sure, single bi female we know you mean a woman or "female politician/ female singer". Out in the "real" world surely people don't use the English language like this and say "I'm attracted to males".
But you know, this thread has now become a playground for weirdos... always a few
Just thought there would be more intelligent constructive posts, but hey ho "
Weirdos!! Ok
First I’ve heard of the word female being seen as derogatory! |
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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago
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"I think some women dislike the term as it is often used in a derogatory way towards women. Not something I do myself but I have heard it used like that in the past.
That's my point. That it can be seen as a derogatory term, to refer to a woman as just female. Sure, single bi female we know you mean a woman or "female politician/ female singer". Out in the "real" world surely people don't use the English language like this and say "I'm attracted to males".
But you know, this thread has now become a playground for weirdos... always a few
Just thought there would be more intelligent constructive posts, but hey ho "
I provided intelligent, constructive and inquisitive but it appears to have been overlooked ![](/icons/s/biggrin.gif) |
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Ok were here to meet people have sex and fun really don't need a lesson on political correctness ...respect we agree with perpetuation of the notion of abstract women's oppression is really not what were here for the author of the original post should consider the narrative on their own profile X |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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what is surprising is that there’s pressure on society to become gender neutral.
Maybe we should dispense with men and women males and females and stipulate what body parts we’re interested in.
I’ll change my profile to reflect this...
Person with cock seeking person with tits and clunge to play hide the sausage and name that taste. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I think some women dislike the term as it is often used in a derogatory way towards women. Not something I do myself but I have heard it used like that in the past.
That's my point. That it can be seen as a derogatory term, to refer to a woman as just female. Sure, single bi female we know you mean a woman or "female politician/ female singer". Out in the "real" world surely people don't use the English language like this and say "I'm attracted to males".
But you know, this thread has now become a playground for weirdos... always a few
Just thought there would be more intelligent constructive posts, but hey ho "
Try engaging with people and you might find constructive conversation starts instead of making a statement then when not everyone agrees with you, flouncing and calling them weirdos. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"what is surprising is that there’s pressure on society to become gender neutral.
Maybe we should dispense with men and women males and females and stipulate what body parts we’re interested in.
I’ll change my profile to reflect this...
Person with cock seeking person with tits and clunge to play hide the sausage and name that taste. "
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By *hilloutMan
over a year ago
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"Woman/women is a completely different term to female.
Woman is specific to human beings where as female could refer to any species with the capability of producing eggs and growing a baby. Women/Woman can include those women that are transgender too
"Looking for females" female what? Female dog, female goat, female whale??
No one refers to men as males, so why do that to women?
It's grammatically incorrect and the word most people mean to use is woman.
It's a real pet peeve of mine and when I see both men and women use this term it's so cringy.
Anyone else feel the same?
What's your pet peeve when you read profiles on here?"
I think anyone who takes offence to this clearly has to much time on their hands to contemplate SJW crap
Only pet peeve regarding profiles is endless ranting. Not appealing. |
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Well it nice to know what you don't like to be called. It's noted and I have no problem with not using those specific terms with you as I know you don't like it. I think that's fair and respectful to you as an individual. But I'm not going to change my widely acceptable language in general to appease the wishes and whims of one person/small group when engaging in normal conversations with other people. I feel you maybe a long way off convincing wider society of your point of veiw on the use of language in this case. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Minge ok tho?
NO teabag it’s not nira said it is so there
Who's nira?
she is either a woman or female depending on your take of this thread she is minge"
I’m offended!! I am way more than a minge I’ll have you know |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Minge ok tho?
NO teabag it’s not nira said it is so there
Who's nira?
she is either a woman or female depending on your take of this thread she is minge
I’m offended!! I am way more than a minge I’ll have you know " tasty comical minge ![](/icons/s/mrgreen.gif) |
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"Woman/women is a completely different term to female.
Woman is specific to human beings where as female could refer to any species with the capability of producing eggs and growing a baby. Women/Woman can include those women that are transgender too
"Looking for females" female what? Female dog, female goat, female whale??
No one refers to men as males, so why do that to women?
It's grammatically incorrect and the word most people mean to use is woman.
It's a real pet peeve of mine and when I see both men and women use this term it's so cringy.
Anyone else feel the same?
What's your pet peeve when you read profiles on here?"
grammatically incorrect maybe the fact that you understand is what matters. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Minge ok tho?
NO teabag it’s not nira said it is so there
Who's nira?
she is either a woman or female depending on your take of this thread she is minge
I’m offended!! I am way more than a minge I’ll have you know "
I quite agree with you Nira ![](/icons/s/biggrin.gif) |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Minge ok tho?
NO teabag it’s not nira said it is so there
Who's nira?
she is either a woman or female depending on your take of this thread she is minge
I’m offended!! I am way more than a minge I’ll have you know tasty comical minge "
Tasty? How do you know . Who’s been talking?! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Minge ok tho?
NO teabag it’s not nira said it is so there
Who's nira?
she is either a woman or female depending on your take of this thread she is minge
I’m offended!! I am way more than a minge I’ll have you know tasty comical minge
Tasty? How do you know . Who’s been talking?!"
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Minge ok tho?
NO teabag it’s not nira said it is so there
Who's nira?
she is either a woman or female depending on your take of this thread she is minge
I’m offended!! I am way more than a minge I’ll have you know tasty comical minge
Tasty? How do you know . Who’s been talking?!
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Minge ok tho?
NO teabag it’s not nira said it is so there
Who's nira?
she is either a woman or female depending on your take of this thread she is minge
I’m offended!! I am way more than a minge I’ll have you know tasty comical minge
Tasty? How do you know . Who’s been talking?!" i missed off looking i was distracted work stuff |
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By *isaB45Woman
over a year ago
Fabville |
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Anyone else feel the same?
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I am a female, a woman and a lady.
All of those options are better than the genuinely derogatory terms often used.
Perhaps there are greater things in life to be offended about? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Sorry for my ignorance, but what's a stag/ vixen relationship. I have not a clue. Is that a male or female stag, and/or male or female vixen?"
It’s a specific scenario involving men dressed in red coats, a pack of hounds and horses. For extra kink you get saboteurs turning up and abusing you. |
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By *aeBabe OP Woman
over a year ago
London |
"Sorry for my ignorance, but what's a stag/ vixen relationship. I have not a clue. Is that a male or female stag, and/or male or female vixen?"
There are a few threads on the forums that can answer your question. |
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By *aeBabe OP Woman
over a year ago
London |
I think most people are missing my point and commenting with a few snide remarks but that's okay. I know everyone has varying viewpoints and experiences but no point engaging any further if there is no intelligent discussion to be had. What you think of me personally and regarding what I say on my profile that isn't in relation to this topic doesn't affect me. So go ahead and say what you will ![](/icons/s/biggrin.gif) |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Woman/women is a completely different term to female.
Woman is specific to human beings where as female could refer to any species with the capability of producing eggs and growing a baby. Women/Woman can include those women that are transgender too
"Looking for females" female what? Female dog, female goat, female whale??
No one refers to men as males, so why do that to women?
It's grammatically incorrect and the word most people mean to use is woman.
It's a real pet peeve of mine and when I see both men and women use this term it's so cringy.
Anyone else feel the same?
What's your pet peeve when you read profiles on here?"
Female dog - Bitch
Female goat - Doe or nanny
Female whale - Cow
Would be grammatically correct |
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By *SAchickWoman
over a year ago
Hillside desolate |
It doesn't bother me but I can see why it might annoy some people. We all have wee things that irritate us on here. For example I don't like it when people call sex "playing", it makes me cringe. I'm not entirely sure why some people took such exception to this thread to be honest. |
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By *aeBabe OP Woman
over a year ago
London |
"Woman/women is a completely different term to female.
Woman is specific to human beings where as female could refer to any species with the capability of producing eggs and growing a baby. Women/Woman can include those women that are transgender too
"Looking for females" female what? Female dog, female goat, female whale??
No one refers to men as males, so why do that to women?
It's grammatically incorrect and the word most people mean to use is woman.
It's a real pet peeve of mine and when I see both men and women use this term it's so cringy.
Anyone else feel the same?
What's your pet peeve when you read profiles on here?
Female dog - Bitch
Female goat - Doe or nanny
Female whale - Cow
Would be grammatically correct"
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By *aeBabe OP Woman
over a year ago
London |
"It doesn't bother me but I can see why it might annoy some people. We all have wee things that irritate us on here. For example I don't like it when people call sex "playing", it makes me cringe. I'm not entirely sure why some people took such exception to this thread to be honest. "
I can see the term "playing" being something that could irritate people if you want to just call it straightforward sex.
I don't know to be honest, I was looking for a discussion but got a few people being snide and sarcastic instead. Pity really... |
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I’ve had a messages from a few couples and had introductions of male here or female here when they start chatting tbh I don’t think much about it, I’m guessing I possibly will now
I know I’m a female but I just say woman when I describe myself, I don’t think I’ve ever been called a female
You’ve defiantly got be thinking |
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By *aeBabe OP Woman
over a year ago
London |
"Nah don't get it. I think people that let pedantic things bother them have far too little to worry about in everyday life "
Yeah, you'd be wrong but for the sake of it... Yes, I live a very worry free life and only have to think about which person I will meet next and on what day. Owww to live a very simple life. |
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By *aeBabe OP Woman
over a year ago
London |
"I'll be absolutely honest and say this is one peeve I don't necessarily understand - although know some women object to the term, but then some don't.
I often see men referred to as males too, and as one it doesn't bother me in the slightest when I'm referred to as such personally.
Take on board that it's not species specific, but think it's safe to assume that 99.9% of the time it's being used to refer to a human on here - however to play devils advocate what about the term "lady" which can be used to describe other species too - is that also frowned upon? Or even terms like "she" and "her" which are non-species specific?
No disrespect intended at all in any of what I have said, just trying to further my understanding of why, for some, the term "female" is seen as derogatory - after all most official forms list male or female when asking for gender to be specified, likewise things like some public toilets and other every day instances - which may explain why some, like me, don't understand."
Thank you for this
For me personally through my experiences whenever I've heard a man refer to a woman as female it's always been in a negative way that had just reduced a woman to a "play thing" to use and discard as they pleased. So it's said with disrespect towards the woman merely being an object and not a person.
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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago
There and to the left a bit |
"I'll be absolutely honest and say this is one peeve I don't necessarily understand - although know some women object to the term, but then some don't.
I often see men referred to as males too, and as one it doesn't bother me in the slightest when I'm referred to as such personally.
Take on board that it's not species specific, but think it's safe to assume that 99.9% of the time it's being used to refer to a human on here - however to play devils advocate what about the term "lady" which can be used to describe other species too - is that also frowned upon? Or even terms like "she" and "her" which are non-species specific?
No disrespect intended at all in any of what I have said, just trying to further my understanding of why, for some, the term "female" is seen as derogatory - after all most official forms list male or female when asking for gender to be specified, likewise things like some public toilets and other every day instances - which may explain why some, like me, don't understand.
Thank you for this
For me personally through my experiences whenever I've heard a man refer to a woman as female it's always been in a negative way that had just reduced a woman to a "play thing" to use and discard as they pleased. So it's said with disrespect towards the woman merely being an object and not a person.
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Fair enough - although to play devils advocate again - other terms like woman, lady etc could be used in a derogatory fashion in just the same way - so perhaps it's the context in which it is used that is the cause of irritation and not the actual word itself? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Hang on...you're harping on about how the word "female" is offensive, you asked our thoughts and then called us "weirdos" when we shared them.
"Female" is offensive, but "weirdo" is ok?! ![](/icons/s/neutral.gif) |
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"Sorry for my ignorance, but what's a stag/ vixen relationship. I have not a clue. Is that a male or female stag, and/or male or female vixen?"
It means the same as hotwife just without the cuckold connection because some people perceive hotwife as cuckold just a cool way to say hotwife relationship. stag the male, hotwife the "female" lol |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Woman/women is a completely different term to female.
Woman is specific to human beings where as female could refer to any species with the capability of producing eggs and growing a baby. Women/Woman can include those women that are transgender too
"Looking for females" female what? Female dog, female goat, female whale??
No one refers to men as males, so why do that to women?
It's grammatically incorrect and the word most people mean to use is woman.
It's a real pet peeve of mine and when I see both men and women use this term it's so cringy.
Anyone else feel the same?
What's your pet peeve when you read profiles on here?"
So. Think this world has far too many who look for offence because the climate dictates they can.
I'll be looking for females on here, not males and that's what I'll find. ![](/icons/s/2/cute.gif) |
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over a year ago
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"I agree.. nothing pleasant in calling ladies or women females..I'd never do it"
It'll change next year and calling us men and women will be taken offensively by those who are gender neutral and we'll have to rethink things. Even now we're being told that some get offended if their child is called a boy or a girl because apparently their parents say they feel differently inside. |
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By *ensualMan
over a year ago
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I found OP's explanation completely underwhelming. However in OP's favour she may have been displaying her knowledge of the poems of R Kipling that support her. His famous poem ends:
"And Man knows it! Knows, moreover, that the Woman that God gave him
Must command but may not govern -- shall enthral but not enslave him.
And She knows, because She warns him, and Her instincts never fail,
That the Female of Her Species is more deadly than the Male."
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I think some women dislike the term as it is often used in a derogatory way towards women. Not something I do myself but I have heard it used like that in the past.
That's my point. That it can be seen as a derogatory term, to refer to a woman as just female. Sure, single bi female we know you mean a woman or "female politician/ female singer". Out in the "real" world surely people don't use the English language like this and say "I'm attracted to males".
But you know, this thread has now become a playground for weirdos... always a few
Just thought there would be more intelligent constructive posts, but hey ho "
I totally get this. And in fact, thinking about it, I don't think I've ever met someone from here who uses the word "female". That's how unpleasant it is to me.
I also can't bear people calling women "ladies". No one calls men "gentleman". I can't understand it. |
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In all honesty I think there are far worse things to call ladies on here than ‘female’!
What makes me cringe - and terribly sad at the same time - is when fellow swingers call others who may be a little more prolific in their play ‘sluts’, ‘slags’ etc!
Now that’s certainly a hypocrisy that I’d love to see addressed!
Can’t recall being called a female to my knowledge - but it wouldn’t bother me at all! I’m usually called ‘Peachy who talks a lot!’ ![](/icons/s/razz.gif) |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Woman/women is a completely different term to female.
Woman is specific to human beings where as female could refer to any species with the capability of producing eggs and growing a baby. Women/Woman can include those women that are transgender too
"Looking for females" female what? Female dog, female goat, female whale??
No one refers to men as males, so why do that to women?
It's grammatically incorrect and the word most people mean to use is woman.
It's a real pet peeve of mine and when I see both men and women use this term it's so cringy.
Anyone else feel the same?
What's your pet peeve when you read profiles on here?"
I actually don’t mind being referred to as female. Not sure why it would bother someone. |
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"Woman/women is a completely different term to female.
Woman is specific to human beings where as female could refer to any species with the capability of producing eggs and growing a baby. Women/Woman can include those women that are transgender too
"Looking for females" female what? Female dog, female goat, female whale??
No one refers to men as males, so why do that to women?
It's grammatically incorrect and the word most people mean to use is woman.
It's a real pet peeve of mine and when I see both men and women use this term it's so cringy.
Anyone else feel the same?
What's your pet peeve when you read profiles on here?
I actually don’t mind being referred to as female. Not sure why it would bother someone. "
Because the op said it should! ![](/icons/s/cool.gif) |
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"Woman/women is a completely different term to female.
Woman is specific to human beings where as female could refer to any species with the capability of producing eggs and growing a baby. Women/Woman can include those women that are transgender too
"Looking for females" female what? Female dog, female goat, female whale??
No one refers to men as males, so why do that to women?
It's grammatically incorrect and the word most people mean to use is woman.
It's a real pet peeve of mine and when I see both men and women use this term it's so cringy.
Anyone else feel the same?
What's your pet peeve when you read profiles on here?
I actually don’t mind being referred to as female. Not sure why it would bother someone.
Because the op said it should! "
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"Woman/women is a completely different term to female.
Woman is specific to human beings where as female could refer to any species with the capability of producing eggs and growing a baby. Women/Woman can include those women that are transgender too
"Looking for females" female what? Female dog, female goat, female whale??
No one refers to men as males, so why do that to women?
It's grammatically incorrect and the word most people mean to use is woman.
It's a real pet peeve of mine and when I see both men and women use this term it's so cringy.
Anyone else feel the same?
What's your pet peeve when you read profiles on here?"
someone pissed in your corn flakes? |
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By *aeBabe OP Woman
over a year ago
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For me personally through my experiences whenever I've heard a man refer to a woman as female it's always been in a negative way that had just reduced a woman to a "play thing" to use and discard as they pleased. So it's said with disrespect towards the woman merely being an object and not a person.
I mean honestly, some of the replies on here are just toxic nonsense. However, I appreciate those that have replied with some sense even if they don't agree with me. |
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"For me personally through my experiences whenever I've heard a man refer to a woman as female it's always been in a negative way that had just reduced a woman to a "play thing" to use and discard as they pleased. So it's said with disrespect towards the woman merely being an object and not a person."
I agree, but I think it's a lost cause here. |
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"For me personally through my experiences whenever I've heard a man refer to a woman as female it's always been in a negative way that had just reduced a woman to a "play thing" to use and discard as they pleased. So it's said with disrespect towards the woman merely being an object and not a person.
I agree, but I think it's a lost cause here. "
I often agree with you my lovely but don’t with this - purely because I haven’t had that experience in my time here!
When I meet guys they always react to me in a positive way - and I’m sure are aware that it would be a very short meet if they spoke about women in general in a derogatory way!
With a few of the obvious ‘can I fuck your arse’ first message exceptions (which I delete without thought) I’ve always been treated with nothing but respect and consideration by the men of fab!
Sadly - the few issues I’ve had on here have invariably been with women! |
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