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"I like that you believe everybody is beautiful. I have days that I don't believe that I am beautiful and other days I believe I am. The media do have a lot to blame, in that they have portrayed that in order to be beautiful you have to look a certain way. Your post has cheered me up, thanks OP x"  totally agree! | |||
"I do think it’s a good thing that ALL bodies are within the media, so that people have a realistic view of others. You put supermodels on the TV all the time, and anyone who ain’t a supermodel can become “subhuman” sadly. Although, I don’t agree with “celebrating” obesity at all, as it isn’t unhealthy, just as anorexia is. I’m a size 20 myself, losing weight, I’ve lost 3 stone so far, and I don’t agree with celebrating being overweight & unhealthy. Inclusive body positivity is definitely on the rise. Online stores like ASOS are photographing models of all sizes with visible disabilities, cellulite, stretch marks, scars etc, and I love it. If you have any of these things it makes you feel normal, and you think “I can wear that”. "What do you see as "celebrating obesity" though? This is where I struggle a bit...is someone who's obese's photograph being used celebrating their size? Or is it just them existing and thriving regardless of their weight? | |||
"I do think it’s a good thing that ALL bodies are within the media, so that people have a realistic view of others. You put supermodels on the TV all the time, and anyone who ain’t a supermodel can become “subhuman” sadly. Although, I don’t agree with “celebrating” obesity at all, as it isn’t unhealthy, just as anorexia is. I’m a size 20 myself, losing weight, I’ve lost 3 stone so far, and I don’t agree with celebrating being overweight & unhealthy. Inclusive body positivity is definitely on the rise. Online stores like ASOS are photographing models of all sizes with visible disabilities, cellulite, stretch marks, scars etc, and I love it. If you have any of these things it makes you feel normal, and you think “I can wear that”.
What do you see as "celebrating obesity" though?
This is where I struggle a bit...is someone who's obese's photograph being used celebrating their size? Or is it just them existing and thriving regardless of their weight? "Not at all. I don’t think that is celebrating obesity. More so celebrating themselves & making people who look like them feel more “normal”. It’s when they put down slimmer women, and say it’s okay to eat unhealthy as long as you’re happy. That to me is celebrating obesity, when it comes from a bigger person. I can’t remember the woman’s name who did it but I didn’t like it at all. She basically put down slimmer models calling them all sorts, whilst saying eat cake all you want, there was a whole thread of her tweeting insulting people who were slimmer, taller, and people who had “healthy” Instagram pages calling them pretentious & up their own arse for going to the gym. Then after posted a selfie of herself with a burger saying “Fuck you skinny bitches”, this was a while ago. That to me is quite toxic, and if a slimmer model had done similar she’d have been berated. I think people should accept we are all different, yes some of us overweight, some of us underweight, some perfectly healthy, others not so. Some people assume being unhealthy is related to being fat alone, when you can be slim & unhealthy also.  | |||
"I do think it’s a good thing that ALL bodies are within the media, so that people have a realistic view of others. You put supermodels on the TV all the time, and anyone who ain’t a supermodel can become “subhuman” sadly. Although, I don’t agree with “celebrating” obesity at all, as it isn’t unhealthy, just as anorexia is. I’m a size 20 myself, losing weight, I’ve lost 3 stone so far, and I don’t agree with celebrating being overweight & unhealthy. Inclusive body positivity is definitely on the rise. Online stores like ASOS are photographing models of all sizes with visible disabilities, cellulite, stretch marks, scars etc, and I love it. If you have any of these things it makes you feel normal, and you think “I can wear that”.
What do you see as "celebrating obesity" though?
This is where I struggle a bit...is someone who's obese's photograph being used celebrating their size? Or is it just them existing and thriving regardless of their weight?
Not at all. I don’t think that is celebrating obesity. More so celebrating themselves & making people who look like them feel more “normal”.
It’s when they put down slimmer women, and say it’s okay to eat unhealthy as long as you’re happy. That to me is celebrating obesity, when it comes from a bigger person.
I can’t remember the woman’s name who did it but I didn’t like it at all. She basically put down slimmer models calling them all sorts, whilst saying eat cake all you want, there was a whole thread of her tweeting insulting people who were slimmer, taller, and people who had “healthy” Instagram pages calling them pretentious & up their own arse for going to the gym.
Then after posted a selfie of herself with a burger saying “Fuck you skinny bitches”, this was a while ago. That to me is quite toxic, and if a slimmer model had done similar she’d have been berated.
I think people should accept we are all different, yes some of us overweight, some of us underweight, some perfectly healthy, others not so.
Some people assume being unhealthy is related to being fat alone, when you can be slim & unhealthy also.
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Positivity starts in your mind and grows imho, fuck what ppl look like it's irrelevant... | |||
"Jesus, does anyone need marketing or advertising to tell them what to wear or that they look good.....? You know it's working, right? They're still selling you something in those ads you know and preying on ppls insecurity in the process....
Positivity starts in your mind and grows imho, fuck what ppl look like it's irrelevant... "I don’t think it’s about telling someone what to wear or that they look good. When I see size 8 models wearing clothing online, I cannot relate to it, I’m not a size 8 so I’m not going to see how it will fit me. Seeing a size 18 model, or a size 20 model wearing clothing however I can relate & get an idea of what it will look like on me as I am of similar size. I’m more likely to buy the item of clothing if I can see how it will look on me based on the model. Just as I love the new concept of adding a video to clothing’s items online so you can see how the item of clothing lies & falls instead of just looking at a still image! | |||
"Jesus, does anyone need marketing or advertising to tell them what to wear or that they look good.....? You know it's working, right? They're still selling you something in those ads you know and preying on ppls insecurity in the process....
Positivity starts in your mind and grows imho, fuck what ppl look like it's irrelevant...
I don’t think it’s about telling someone what to wear or that they look good.
When I see size 8 models wearing clothing online, I cannot relate to it, I’m not a size 8 so I’m not going to see how it will fit me.
Seeing a size 18 model, or a size 20 model wearing clothing however I can relate & get an idea of what it will look like on me as I am of similar size.
I’m more likely to buy the item of clothing if I can see how it will look on me based on the model.
Just as I love the new concept of adding a video to clothing’s items online so you can see how the item of clothing lies & falls instead of just looking at a still image! "Marketing is fucking awesome, I'm so proud of my trade.... | |||
"Jesus, does anyone need marketing or advertising to tell them what to wear or that they look good.....? You know it's working, right? They're still selling you something in those ads you know and preying on ppls insecurity in the process....
Positivity starts in your mind and grows imho, fuck what ppl look like it's irrelevant...
I don’t think it’s about telling someone what to wear or that they look good.
When I see size 8 models wearing clothing online, I cannot relate to it, I’m not a size 8 so I’m not going to see how it will fit me.
Seeing a size 18 model, or a size 20 model wearing clothing however I can relate & get an idea of what it will look like on me as I am of similar size.
I’m more likely to buy the item of clothing if I can see how it will look on me based on the model.
Just as I love the new concept of adding a video to clothing’s items online so you can see how the item of clothing lies & falls instead of just looking at a still image!
Marketing is fucking awesome, I'm so proud of my trade.... " | |||
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"There's a big difference between celebrating different body types and the recent fat acceptance movement and rise of ultra slim Instagram models. Morbidly obese people shouldn't be portrayed as the norm. Ladies like Tess Holiday are being hailed as the fat and fit at any size which for the most part isn't true. No one is healthy at that size. However should someone be body shamed for their life choices, no they shouldn't. But they shouldn't be celebrated either. Same goes for the ultra slim celebs who are half starved, rumored to be snorting and injecting themselves with fillers in order to maintain the mainstream body beautiful. Yes it's great the media is acknowledging different body types, but there needs to be a sensible balance to make sure what their promoting is healthy and not the unhealthy extremes at either end of the scale. I'm my opinion of course. Sin. " I agree. | |||
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"There's a big difference between celebrating different body types and the recent fat acceptance movement and rise of ultra slim Instagram models. Morbidly obese people shouldn't be portrayed as the norm. Ladies like Tess Holiday are being hailed as the fat and fit at any size which for the most part isn't true. No one is healthy at that size. However should someone be body shamed for their life choices, no they shouldn't. But they shouldn't be celebrated either. Same goes for the ultra slim celebs who are half starved, rumored to be snorting and injecting themselves with fillers in order to maintain the mainstream body beautiful. Yes it's great the media is acknowledging different body types, but there needs to be a sensible balance to make sure what their promoting is healthy and not the unhealthy extremes at either end of the scale. I'm my opinion of course. Sin. I agree. " I agree. | |||
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"There's a big difference between celebrating different body types and the recent fat acceptance movement and rise of ultra slim Instagram models. Morbidly obese people shouldn't be portrayed as the norm. Ladies like Tess Holiday are being hailed as the fat and fit at any size which for the most part isn't true. No one is healthy at that size. However should someone be body shamed for their life choices, no they shouldn't. But they shouldn't be celebrated either. Same goes for the ultra slim celebs who are half starved, rumored to be snorting and injecting themselves with fillers in order to maintain the mainstream body beautiful. Yes it's great the media is acknowledging different body types, but there needs to be a sensible balance to make sure what their promoting is healthy and not the unhealthy extremes at either end of the scale. I'm my opinion of course. Sin. " mine also. | |||
"It’s all very well saying that we should embrace all body sizes etc ... But now many really fat men and women are truly happy ? And how many really thin men and women are truly happy ? If someone is actually happy at size 20plus then fair play , but we shouldn’t be saying that size is cool and have kids aspiring to reach it should we ? Same applies to size zero . We should be advocating healthy , average size , " The same could be said for an average size though. There are women size 10 who aren’t happy and want to be slimmer, same with women at a size 12. There are women size 6 who aren’t happy & want to be bigger also. Happy doesn’t come in a dress size, some people lose tons of weight and still don’t feel happy sadly. | |||
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"It’s all very well saying that we should embrace all body sizes etc ... But now many really fat men and women are truly happy ? And how many really thin men and women are truly happy ? If someone is actually happy at size 20plus then fair play , but we shouldn’t be saying that size is cool and have kids aspiring to reach it should we ? Same applies to size zero . We should be advocating healthy , average size , " Is having these fat or thin people in the media encourging others to aspire to that though? Or is it encouraging people to accept people for what they are? | |||
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"There's a big difference between celebrating different body types and the recent fat acceptance movement and rise of ultra slim Instagram models. Morbidly obese people shouldn't be portrayed as the norm. Ladies like Tess Holiday are being hailed as the fat and fit at any size which for the most part isn't true. No one is healthy at that size. However should someone be body shamed for their life choices, no they shouldn't. But they shouldn't be celebrated either. Same goes for the ultra slim celebs who are half starved, rumored to be snorting and injecting themselves with fillers in order to maintain the mainstream body beautiful. Yes it's great the media is acknowledging different body types, but there needs to be a sensible balance to make sure what their promoting is healthy and not the unhealthy extremes at either end of the scale. I'm my opinion of course. Sin. " I agree with a lot of what you've said here. No unhealthy lifestyle should be encouraged imo. But by putting a woman like Tess Holiday on the cover of a magazine saying everyone should go and become morbidly obese? I don't think it is...I think it's saying she is beautiful and should be celebrated regardless of her size. It also helps a lot of people who do struggle with their appearance in some way see that they are beautiful to many. And not the only one who isn't a "perfect size 8/10". | |||
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"I'm someone who believes everybody is beautiful. Now I don't mean that I personally find everyone attractive, nor that anyone else should. What I mean is that we are all beautiful to someone. I don't believe in shaming someone based on their appearance. Fat, thin, morbidly obese or anorexic, I don't believe anyone has the right to tell you you should look a certain way. It's no one's business but yours. I'm loving the fact that the media are starting to become more inclusive of people who aren't "mainstream beautiful", but I'm seeing a huge backlash from it from people either insisting that they're "worried about their health" or simply body shaming and/or making fun of them. Do you think it's a good thing that different body types are being brought into the mainstream media? Or do you think we should go back to how it was?" Absolutely spot on op, we are all beautiful to someone, doesn't matter if you are so called beautiful on the outside if you are a total twat on the inside. As the advert says just simply be. | |||
"There's a big difference between celebrating different body types and the recent fat acceptance movement and rise of ultra slim Instagram models. Morbidly obese people shouldn't be portrayed as the norm. Ladies like Tess Holiday are being hailed as the fat and fit at any size which for the most part isn't true. No one is healthy at that size. However should someone be body shamed for their life choices, no they shouldn't. But they shouldn't be celebrated either. Same goes for the ultra slim celebs who are half starved, rumored to be snorting and injecting themselves with fillers in order to maintain the mainstream body beautiful. Yes it's great the media is acknowledging different body types, but there needs to be a sensible balance to make sure what their promoting is healthy and not the unhealthy extremes at either end of the scale. I'm my opinion of course. Sin. I agree with a lot of what you've said here. No unhealthy lifestyle should be encouraged imo. But by putting a woman like Tess Holiday on the cover of a magazine saying everyone should go and become morbidly obese? I don't think it is...I think it's saying she is beautiful and should be celebrated regardless of her size. It also helps a lot of people who do struggle with their appearance in some way see that they are beautiful to many. And not the only one who isn't a "perfect size 8/10". " You are saying an unhealthy lifestyle shouldn’t be encouraged , then saying Tess Holliday ( who is morbidly obese ) should be celebrated ! That just doesn’t make sense . A teenage girl sitting in her bedroom munching on packets of crisps and bars of chocolate will see Tess Holliday being celebrated and think to herself that another bar of chocolate won’t hurt . “Look at how people celebrate Tess , and I’m nowhere near as big as her “. See how easy it is to give the vulnerable an excuse to engage in unhealthy lifestyle choices ? | |||
"There's a big difference between celebrating different body types and the recent fat acceptance movement and rise of ultra slim Instagram models. Morbidly obese people shouldn't be portrayed as the norm. Ladies like Tess Holiday are being hailed as the fat and fit at any size which for the most part isn't true. No one is healthy at that size. However should someone be body shamed for their life choices, no they shouldn't. But they shouldn't be celebrated either. Same goes for the ultra slim celebs who are half starved, rumored to be snorting and injecting themselves with fillers in order to maintain the mainstream body beautiful. Yes it's great the media is acknowledging different body types, but there needs to be a sensible balance to make sure what their promoting is healthy and not the unhealthy extremes at either end of the scale. I'm my opinion of course. Sin. I agree with a lot of what you've said here. No unhealthy lifestyle should be encouraged imo. But by putting a woman like Tess Holiday on the cover of a magazine saying everyone should go and become morbidly obese? I don't think it is...I think it's saying she is beautiful and should be celebrated regardless of her size. It also helps a lot of people who do struggle with their appearance in some way see that they are beautiful to many. And not the only one who isn't a "perfect size 8/10". You are saying an unhealthy lifestyle shouldn’t be encouraged , then saying Tess Holliday ( who is morbidly obese ) should be celebrated ! That just doesn’t make sense . A teenage girl sitting in her bedroom munching on packets of crisps and bars of chocolate will see Tess Holliday being celebrated and think to herself that another bar of chocolate won’t hurt . “Look at how people celebrate Tess , and I’m nowhere near as big as her “. See how easy it is to give the vulnerable an excuse to engage in unhealthy lifestyle choices ? " But then flip it the other way. A teenage girl sitting in her bedroom munching packets of crisps & bars of chocolate will see a size 0 model & feel she is fat so decides to make herself sick & gets into a habit of doing it. Or she decides to starve herself because she needs to be a size 0 too. | |||
"There's a big difference between celebrating different body types and the recent fat acceptance movement and rise of ultra slim Instagram models. Morbidly obese people shouldn't be portrayed as the norm. Ladies like Tess Holiday are being hailed as the fat and fit at any size which for the most part isn't true. No one is healthy at that size. However should someone be body shamed for their life choices, no they shouldn't. But they shouldn't be celebrated either. Same goes for the ultra slim celebs who are half starved, rumored to be snorting and injecting themselves with fillers in order to maintain the mainstream body beautiful. Yes it's great the media is acknowledging different body types, but there needs to be a sensible balance to make sure what their promoting is healthy and not the unhealthy extremes at either end of the scale. I'm my opinion of course. Sin. I agree with a lot of what you've said here. No unhealthy lifestyle should be encouraged imo. But by putting a woman like Tess Holiday on the cover of a magazine saying everyone should go and become morbidly obese? I don't think it is...I think it's saying she is beautiful and should be celebrated regardless of her size. It also helps a lot of people who do struggle with their appearance in some way see that they are beautiful to many. And not the only one who isn't a "perfect size 8/10". You are saying an unhealthy lifestyle shouldn’t be encouraged , then saying Tess Holliday ( who is morbidly obese ) should be celebrated ! That just doesn’t make sense . A teenage girl sitting in her bedroom munching on packets of crisps and bars of chocolate will see Tess Holliday being celebrated and think to herself that another bar of chocolate won’t hurt . “Look at how people celebrate Tess , and I’m nowhere near as big as her “. See how easy it is to give the vulnerable an excuse to engage in unhealthy lifestyle choices ? " I'm saying SHE should be celebrated, as we all should. Because she is a beautiful, successful woman. Not because she is fat. Allowing these bodies to be seen and celebrating the people who live within them isn't the same as encouraging people to try and look like them. Should she be removed from modelling campaigns and magazine covers because she is fat? | |||
"There's a big difference between celebrating different body types and the recent fat acceptance movement and rise of ultra slim Instagram models. Morbidly obese people shouldn't be portrayed as the norm. Ladies like Tess Holiday are being hailed as the fat and fit at any size which for the most part isn't true. No one is healthy at that size. However should someone be body shamed for their life choices, no they shouldn't. But they shouldn't be celebrated either. Same goes for the ultra slim celebs who are half starved, rumored to be snorting and injecting themselves with fillers in order to maintain the mainstream body beautiful. Yes it's great the media is acknowledging different body types, but there needs to be a sensible balance to make sure what their promoting is healthy and not the unhealthy extremes at either end of the scale. I'm my opinion of course. Sin. I agree with a lot of what you've said here. No unhealthy lifestyle should be encouraged imo. But by putting a woman like Tess Holiday on the cover of a magazine saying everyone should go and become morbidly obese? I don't think it is...I think it's saying she is beautiful and should be celebrated regardless of her size. It also helps a lot of people who do struggle with their appearance in some way see that they are beautiful to many. And not the only one who isn't a "perfect size 8/10". You are saying an unhealthy lifestyle shouldn’t be encouraged , then saying Tess Holliday ( who is morbidly obese ) should be celebrated ! That just doesn’t make sense . A teenage girl sitting in her bedroom munching on packets of crisps and bars of chocolate will see Tess Holliday being celebrated and think to herself that another bar of chocolate won’t hurt . “Look at how people celebrate Tess , and I’m nowhere near as big as her “. See how easy it is to give the vulnerable an excuse to engage in unhealthy lifestyle choices ? But then flip it the other way. A teenage girl sitting in her bedroom munching packets of crisps & bars of chocolate will see a size 0 model & feel she is fat so decides to make herself sick & gets into a habit of doing it. Or she decides to starve herself because she needs to be a size 0 too. " That’s a fair point , but I used that analogy as the poster used Tess Holliday . Exactly the same could be said for a cover girl size zero . And this is why I suggested we celebrate average . | |||
"There's a big difference between celebrating different body types and the recent fat acceptance movement and rise of ultra slim Instagram models. Morbidly obese people shouldn't be portrayed as the norm. Ladies like Tess Holiday are being hailed as the fat and fit at any size which for the most part isn't true. No one is healthy at that size. However should someone be body shamed for their life choices, no they shouldn't. But they shouldn't be celebrated either. Same goes for the ultra slim celebs who are half starved, rumored to be snorting and injecting themselves with fillers in order to maintain the mainstream body beautiful. Yes it's great the media is acknowledging different body types, but there needs to be a sensible balance to make sure what their promoting is healthy and not the unhealthy extremes at either end of the scale. I'm my opinion of course. Sin. I agree with a lot of what you've said here. No unhealthy lifestyle should be encouraged imo. But by putting a woman like Tess Holiday on the cover of a magazine saying everyone should go and become morbidly obese? I don't think it is...I think it's saying she is beautiful and should be celebrated regardless of her size. It also helps a lot of people who do struggle with their appearance in some way see that they are beautiful to many. And not the only one who isn't a "perfect size 8/10". You are saying an unhealthy lifestyle shouldn’t be encouraged , then saying Tess Holliday ( who is morbidly obese ) should be celebrated ! That just doesn’t make sense . A teenage girl sitting in her bedroom munching on packets of crisps and bars of chocolate will see Tess Holliday being celebrated and think to herself that another bar of chocolate won’t hurt . “Look at how people celebrate Tess , and I’m nowhere near as big as her “. See how easy it is to give the vulnerable an excuse to engage in unhealthy lifestyle choices ? But then flip it the other way. A teenage girl sitting in her bedroom munching packets of crisps & bars of chocolate will see a size 0 model & feel she is fat so decides to make herself sick & gets into a habit of doing it. Or she decides to starve herself because she needs to be a size 0 too. " Exactly! Every body deserves to be represented. Be it fat, thin, amputees, cancer survivors, whatever. Representation isn't the same as encouragement. | |||
"There's a big difference between celebrating different body types and the recent fat acceptance movement and rise of ultra slim Instagram models. Morbidly obese people shouldn't be portrayed as the norm. Ladies like Tess Holiday are being hailed as the fat and fit at any size which for the most part isn't true. No one is healthy at that size. However should someone be body shamed for their life choices, no they shouldn't. But they shouldn't be celebrated either. Same goes for the ultra slim celebs who are half starved, rumored to be snorting and injecting themselves with fillers in order to maintain the mainstream body beautiful. Yes it's great the media is acknowledging different body types, but there needs to be a sensible balance to make sure what their promoting is healthy and not the unhealthy extremes at either end of the scale. I'm my opinion of course. Sin. I agree with a lot of what you've said here. No unhealthy lifestyle should be encouraged imo. But by putting a woman like Tess Holiday on the cover of a magazine saying everyone should go and become morbidly obese? I don't think it is...I think it's saying she is beautiful and should be celebrated regardless of her size. It also helps a lot of people who do struggle with their appearance in some way see that they are beautiful to many. And not the only one who isn't a "perfect size 8/10". You are saying an unhealthy lifestyle shouldn’t be encouraged , then saying Tess Holliday ( who is morbidly obese ) should be celebrated ! That just doesn’t make sense . A teenage girl sitting in her bedroom munching on packets of crisps and bars of chocolate will see Tess Holliday being celebrated and think to herself that another bar of chocolate won’t hurt . “Look at how people celebrate Tess , and I’m nowhere near as big as her “. See how easy it is to give the vulnerable an excuse to engage in unhealthy lifestyle choices ? But then flip it the other way. A teenage girl sitting in her bedroom munching packets of crisps & bars of chocolate will see a size 0 model & feel she is fat so decides to make herself sick & gets into a habit of doing it. Or she decides to starve herself because she needs to be a size 0 too. That’s a fair point , but I used that analogy as the poster used Tess Holliday . Exactly the same could be said for a cover girl size zero . And this is why I suggested we celebrate average ." Why can't we celebrate people? Regardless of what they look like? Why can't we show diversity without it being said that unhealthy images are being promoted? If it was someone who was a size 12 on the cover with a huge scar on their body would that be encouraging everyone to go and injure themselves in some way? No. So why is putting a fat person on the cover seen to be promoting obesity? | |||
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"There's a big difference between celebrating different body types and the recent fat acceptance movement and rise of ultra slim Instagram models. Morbidly obese people shouldn't be portrayed as the norm. Ladies like Tess Holiday are being hailed as the fat and fit at any size which for the most part isn't true. No one is healthy at that size. However should someone be body shamed for their life choices, no they shouldn't. But they shouldn't be celebrated either. Same goes for the ultra slim celebs who are half starved, rumored to be snorting and injecting themselves with fillers in order to maintain the mainstream body beautiful. Yes it's great the media is acknowledging different body types, but there needs to be a sensible balance to make sure what their promoting is healthy and not the unhealthy extremes at either end of the scale. I'm my opinion of course. Sin. I agree with a lot of what you've said here. No unhealthy lifestyle should be encouraged imo. But by putting a woman like Tess Holiday on the cover of a magazine saying everyone should go and become morbidly obese? I don't think it is...I think it's saying she is beautiful and should be celebrated regardless of her size. It also helps a lot of people who do struggle with their appearance in some way see that they are beautiful to many. And not the only one who isn't a "perfect size 8/10". You are saying an unhealthy lifestyle shouldn’t be encouraged , then saying Tess Holliday ( who is morbidly obese ) should be celebrated ! That just doesn’t make sense . A teenage girl sitting in her bedroom munching on packets of crisps and bars of chocolate will see Tess Holliday being celebrated and think to herself that another bar of chocolate won’t hurt . “Look at how people celebrate Tess , and I’m nowhere near as big as her “. See how easy it is to give the vulnerable an excuse to engage in unhealthy lifestyle choices ? But then flip it the other way. A teenage girl sitting in her bedroom munching packets of crisps & bars of chocolate will see a size 0 model & feel she is fat so decides to make herself sick & gets into a habit of doing it. Or she decides to starve herself because she needs to be a size 0 too. That’s a fair point , but I used that analogy as the poster used Tess Holliday . Exactly the same could be said for a cover girl size zero . And this is why I suggested we celebrate average ." But celebrating average alone alienates everyone who is below or above average. That can then make people feel inadequate and start eating disorders, mental health issues, insecurities & self esteem issues. People should be learnt to love themselves whoever they are. Education on healthy eating & developing a healthy lifestyle should also be on the increase. Instead of fad diets & skinny shakes on Instagram. | |||
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"I think I’m right in saying that there are way more fat people now than there were in previous generations . So perhaps there is something in celebrating everyone , fat , thin , scarred , amputees etc.... because fat shaming and thin shaming alike hasn’t accomplished anything in the past thirty odd years has it ? So if we change our whole perspective and view everything as beautiful , maybe the world would be a better place . " I think if people stopped body shaming others it would be a better place. | |||
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"I’ve struggled with my weight all my life, I can’t say I’ve noticed that much of a shift with bigger people in the media, if there is a bigger person in the soaps they are normally the ‘jolly’ ones (correct me if I’m wrong I’ve not seen a soap for years) and I don’t really read magazines either but I do remember Tess Holliday last year on the front of a magazine and while I agree it is nice to see the larger woman on the front cover, I do wonder if she actually wants to stay being a plus size because it gets her work? If she slimmed or been slim in the first place would she have been as popular? Know knows, all I know is she is kicking it for the larger girls and hopefully showing girls that are bigger; that they don’t have to be a stick insect, obviously Tess is quite large (like myself) and I do have a worry that some girls might take it the other extreme and think ‘I won’t lose weight because of Tess’ that are morbidly obese (like I was at 14), there has to be a balance. Girls (and boys) struggle with their weight and the media needs to show more ‘normal’ size people, instead of the both ends I’ve mentioned as neither are healthy. I hope that made sense x" Makes total sense...there's still a long was to go as far as diversity, stereotypes are still very present. But I honestly think it's changing, slowly but surely! | |||
"I'm someone who believes everybody is beautiful. Now I don't mean that I personally find everyone attractive, nor that anyone else should. What I mean is that we are all beautiful to someone. I don't believe in shaming someone based on their appearance. Fat, thin, morbidly obese or anorexic, I don't believe anyone has the right to tell you you should look a certain way. It's no one's business but yours. I'm loving the fact that the media are starting to become more inclusive of people who aren't "mainstream beautiful", but I'm seeing a huge backlash from it from people either insisting that they're "worried about their health" or simply body shaming and/or making fun of them. Do you think it's a good thing that different body types are being brought into the mainstream media? Or do you think we should go back to how it was?" Your argument seems wildly contradictory. Everyone is beautiful, because somone somewhere may find them beautiful. But then the way they look is no ones business but theirs? Which is it, an external or internal view? Sounds a bit like wishy washy crap trying please everyone and look good | |||
"I'm someone who believes everybody is beautiful. Now I don't mean that I personally find everyone attractive, nor that anyone else should. What I mean is that we are all beautiful to someone. I don't believe in shaming someone based on their appearance. Fat, thin, morbidly obese or anorexic, I don't believe anyone has the right to tell you you should look a certain way. It's no one's business but yours. I'm loving the fact that the media are starting to become more inclusive of people who aren't "mainstream beautiful", but I'm seeing a huge backlash from it from people either insisting that they're "worried about their health" or simply body shaming and/or making fun of them. Do you think it's a good thing that different body types are being brought into the mainstream media? Or do you think we should go back to how it was? Your argument seems wildly contradictory. Everyone is beautiful, because somone somewhere may find them beautiful. But then the way they look is no ones business but theirs? Which is it, an external or internal view? Sounds a bit like wishy washy crap trying please everyone and look good " Fuck me, I actually agree! | |||
"I'm someone who believes everybody is beautiful. Now I don't mean that I personally find everyone attractive, nor that anyone else should. What I mean is that we are all beautiful to someone. I don't believe in shaming someone based on their appearance. Fat, thin, morbidly obese or anorexic, I don't believe anyone has the right to tell you you should look a certain way. It's no one's business but yours. I'm loving the fact that the media are starting to become more inclusive of people who aren't "mainstream beautiful", but I'm seeing a huge backlash from it from people either insisting that they're "worried about their health" or simply body shaming and/or making fun of them. Do you think it's a good thing that different body types are being brought into the mainstream media? Or do you think we should go back to how it was? Your argument seems wildly contradictory. Everyone is beautiful, because somone somewhere may find them beautiful. But then the way they look is no ones business but theirs? Which is it, an external or internal view? Sounds a bit like wishy washy crap trying please everyone and look good " You seem to be missing my point. I believe there is beauty in everyone. I also believe that no one has the right to shame someone based on their appearance and that it's not ones business to tell you what you should or shouldn't look like. It's really not that complicated. As for trying to please everyone and look good...I genuinely couldn't give two shits on that front. I'm more than happy to provide my own controversial views on things and/or disagree with people as that little green arrow will suffice to show I'm sure. | |||
"I'm someone who believes everybody is beautiful. Now I don't mean that I personally find everyone attractive, nor that anyone else should. What I mean is that we are all beautiful to someone. I don't believe in shaming someone based on their appearance. Fat, thin, morbidly obese or anorexic, I don't believe anyone has the right to tell you you should look a certain way. It's no one's business but yours. I'm loving the fact that the media are starting to become more inclusive of people who aren't "mainstream beautiful", but I'm seeing a huge backlash from it from people either insisting that they're "worried about their health" or simply body shaming and/or making fun of them. Do you think it's a good thing that different body types are being brought into the mainstream media? Or do you think we should go back to how it was? Your argument seems wildly contradictory. Everyone is beautiful, because somone somewhere may find them beautiful. But then the way they look is no ones business but theirs? Which is it, an external or internal view? Sounds a bit like wishy washy crap trying please everyone and look good You seem to be missing my point. I believe there is beauty in everyone. I also believe that no one has the right to shame someone based on their appearance and that it's not ones business to tell you what you should or shouldn't look like. It's really not that complicated. As for trying to please everyone and look good...I genuinely couldn't give two shits on that front. I'm more than happy to provide my own controversial views on things and/or disagree with people as that little green arrow will suffice to show I'm sure. " Are some ppl more beautiful than others? | |||
"I'm someone who believes everybody is beautiful. Now I don't mean that I personally find everyone attractive, nor that anyone else should. What I mean is that we are all beautiful to someone. I don't believe in shaming someone based on their appearance. Fat, thin, morbidly obese or anorexic, I don't believe anyone has the right to tell you you should look a certain way. It's no one's business but yours. I'm loving the fact that the media are starting to become more inclusive of people who aren't "mainstream beautiful", but I'm seeing a huge backlash from it from people either insisting that they're "worried about their health" or simply body shaming and/or making fun of them. Do you think it's a good thing that different body types are being brought into the mainstream media? Or do you think we should go back to how it was? Your argument seems wildly contradictory. Everyone is beautiful, because somone somewhere may find them beautiful. But then the way they look is no ones business but theirs? Which is it, an external or internal view? Sounds a bit like wishy washy crap trying please everyone and look good You seem to be missing my point. I believe there is beauty in everyone. I also believe that no one has the right to shame someone based on their appearance and that it's not ones business to tell you what you should or shouldn't look like. It's really not that complicated. As for trying to please everyone and look good...I genuinely couldn't give two shits on that front. I'm more than happy to provide my own controversial views on things and/or disagree with people as that little green arrow will suffice to show I'm sure. Are some ppl more beautiful than others? " That's all down to our individual idea of what we find attractive I think. I certainly find some people more attractive than others, as I'm sure we all do. I know to many people, I'm not remotely attractive, to others I am. Someone who might not find me attractive may see beauty in other ways, my sense of humour, how I've overcome things, anything...that's what I mean when I say I think everyone is beautiful. | |||
"I'm someone who believes everybody is beautiful. Now I don't mean that I personally find everyone attractive, nor that anyone else should. What I mean is that we are all beautiful to someone. I don't believe in shaming someone based on their appearance. Fat, thin, morbidly obese or anorexic, I don't believe anyone has the right to tell you you should look a certain way. It's no one's business but yours. I'm loving the fact that the media are starting to become more inclusive of people who aren't "mainstream beautiful", but I'm seeing a huge backlash from it from people either insisting that they're "worried about their health" or simply body shaming and/or making fun of them. Do you think it's a good thing that different body types are being brought into the mainstream media? Or do you think we should go back to how it was? Your argument seems wildly contradictory. Everyone is beautiful, because somone somewhere may find them beautiful. But then the way they look is no ones business but theirs? Which is it, an external or internal view? Sounds a bit like wishy washy crap trying please everyone and look good You seem to be missing my point. I believe there is beauty in everyone. I also believe that no one has the right to shame someone based on their appearance and that it's not ones business to tell you what you should or shouldn't look like. It's really not that complicated. As for trying to please everyone and look good...I genuinely couldn't give two shits on that front. I'm more than happy to provide my own controversial views on things and/or disagree with people as that little green arrow will suffice to show I'm sure. " But thats a totaly differnt argument to your op. You said everyone is beautiful because somone will find them beautiful (doubtful but there are 6 billion people so ill roll with it. Now theres "beauty in everyone" what does that even mean? Beauty is a skin deep thing. You say no one has the right to "shame you" based on your appearance, we all know your soley refering to body fat content here though so ill focus on that instead of disfigurement, but that is a choice. Why is one choice above reproach but not others? | |||
"There's a big difference between celebrating different body types and the recent fat acceptance movement and rise of ultra slim Instagram models. Morbidly obese people shouldn't be portrayed as the norm. Ladies like Tess Holiday are being hailed as the fat and fit at any size which for the most part isn't true. No one is healthy at that size. However should someone be body shamed for their life choices, no they shouldn't. But they shouldn't be celebrated either. Same goes for the ultra slim celebs who are half starved, rumored to be snorting and injecting themselves with fillers in order to maintain the mainstream body beautiful. Yes it's great the media is acknowledging different body types, but there needs to be a sensible balance to make sure what their promoting is healthy and not the unhealthy extremes at either end of the scale. I'm my opinion of course. Sin. I agree with a lot of what you've said here. No unhealthy lifestyle should be encouraged imo. But by putting a woman like Tess Holiday on the cover of a magazine saying everyone should go and become morbidly obese? I don't think it is...I think it's saying she is beautiful and should be celebrated regardless of her size. It also helps a lot of people who do struggle with their appearance in some way see that they are beautiful to many. And not the only one who isn't a "perfect size 8/10". " Tess holiday promotes obesity, that's my issue with her. There are women who overeat because tess holiday has made morbid obesity acceptable. You only have to do a quick YouTube search on fat acceptance and tess holiday comes up repeatedly as their hero. Layers and layers of fat, diabetes, circulation problems, heart problems, liver problems and all other extreme weight related problems aren't beautiful and she shouldn't be promoted as healthy. But let's switch it around. There's another lady on YouTube called Eugeneie Cooney. Very anorexic. Has only very recently started getting help but posted many videos glorifying her weight loss. She is just as dangerous as people like tess holiday, people who try to make dangerous weights an acceptable norm. Watching someone kill themselves for profit isn't beautiful. I'm also not considered a perfect clothes size. I'm fat, but I make no excuses for it nor do I glorify it. | |||
"I'm someone who believes everybody is beautiful. Now I don't mean that I personally find everyone attractive, nor that anyone else should. What I mean is that we are all beautiful to someone. I don't believe in shaming someone based on their appearance. Fat, thin, morbidly obese or anorexic, I don't believe anyone has the right to tell you you should look a certain way. It's no one's business but yours. I'm loving the fact that the media are starting to become more inclusive of people who aren't "mainstream beautiful", but I'm seeing a huge backlash from it from people either insisting that they're "worried about their health" or simply body shaming and/or making fun of them. Do you think it's a good thing that different body types are being brought into the mainstream media? Or do you think we should go back to how it was? Your argument seems wildly contradictory. Everyone is beautiful, because somone somewhere may find them beautiful. But then the way they look is no ones business but theirs? Which is it, an external or internal view? Sounds a bit like wishy washy crap trying please everyone and look good You seem to be missing my point. I believe there is beauty in everyone. I also believe that no one has the right to shame someone based on their appearance and that it's not ones business to tell you what you should or shouldn't look like. It's really not that complicated. As for trying to please everyone and look good...I genuinely couldn't give two shits on that front. I'm more than happy to provide my own controversial views on things and/or disagree with people as that little green arrow will suffice to show I'm sure. But thats a totaly differnt argument to your op. You said everyone is beautiful because somone will find them beautiful (doubtful but there are 6 billion people so ill roll with it. Now theres "beauty in everyone" what does that even mean? Beauty is a skin deep thing. You say no one has the right to "shame you" based on your appearance, we all know your soley refering to body fat content here though so ill focus on that instead of disfigurement, but that is a choice. Why is one choice above reproach but not others? " You seem to know an awful lot about what I think.... I'm not talking about just body shape/size at all. As someone with extensive scarring from having fought and beaten breast cancer, seeing people with scarring etc in mainstream media is instrumental for many women (and men) like myself who can often feel as though we're the only ones. As for your other points, I'm not sure I can explain myself any clearer than I have, so we'll just have to agree to disagree. But please, don't ever assume to know what I think. My own body image issues aren't due to me being a fatty...though I'm sure if I were a size 10 you wouldn't assume I was talking solely of body weight...  | |||
"There's a big difference between celebrating different body types and the recent fat acceptance movement and rise of ultra slim Instagram models. Morbidly obese people shouldn't be portrayed as the norm. Ladies like Tess Holiday are being hailed as the fat and fit at any size which for the most part isn't true. No one is healthy at that size. However should someone be body shamed for their life choices, no they shouldn't. But they shouldn't be celebrated either. Same goes for the ultra slim celebs who are half starved, rumored to be snorting and injecting themselves with fillers in order to maintain the mainstream body beautiful. Yes it's great the media is acknowledging different body types, but there needs to be a sensible balance to make sure what their promoting is healthy and not the unhealthy extremes at either end of the scale. I'm my opinion of course. Sin. I agree with a lot of what you've said here. No unhealthy lifestyle should be encouraged imo. But by putting a woman like Tess Holiday on the cover of a magazine saying everyone should go and become morbidly obese? I don't think it is...I think it's saying she is beautiful and should be celebrated regardless of her size. It also helps a lot of people who do struggle with their appearance in some way see that they are beautiful to many. And not the only one who isn't a "perfect size 8/10". Tess holiday promotes obesity, that's my issue with her. There are women who overeat because tess holiday has made morbid obesity acceptable. You only have to do a quick YouTube search on fat acceptance and tess holiday comes up repeatedly as their hero. Layers and layers of fat, diabetes, circulation problems, heart problems, liver problems and all other extreme weight related problems aren't beautiful and she shouldn't be promoted as healthy. But let's switch it around. There's another lady on YouTube called Eugeneie Cooney. Very anorexic. Has only very recently started getting help but posted many videos glorifying her weight loss. She is just as dangerous as people like tess holiday, people who try to make dangerous weights an acceptable norm. Watching someone kill themselves for profit isn't beautiful. I'm also not considered a perfect clothes size. I'm fat, but I make no excuses for it nor do I glorify it. " I don't agree with promoting an unhealthy lifestyle. I simply think these people should be allowed to be however they choose (and for some it isn't a choice) without being shamed for it. | |||
"There's a big difference between celebrating different body types and the recent fat acceptance movement and rise of ultra slim Instagram models. Morbidly obese people shouldn't be portrayed as the norm. Ladies like Tess Holiday are being hailed as the fat and fit at any size which for the most part isn't true. No one is healthy at that size. However should someone be body shamed for their life choices, no they shouldn't. But they shouldn't be celebrated either. Same goes for the ultra slim celebs who are half starved, rumored to be snorting and injecting themselves with fillers in order to maintain the mainstream body beautiful. Yes it's great the media is acknowledging different body types, but there needs to be a sensible balance to make sure what their promoting is healthy and not the unhealthy extremes at either end of the scale. I'm my opinion of course. Sin. I agree with a lot of what you've said here. No unhealthy lifestyle should be encouraged imo. But by putting a woman like Tess Holiday on the cover of a magazine saying everyone should go and become morbidly obese? I don't think it is...I think it's saying she is beautiful and should be celebrated regardless of her size. It also helps a lot of people who do struggle with their appearance in some way see that they are beautiful to many. And not the only one who isn't a "perfect size 8/10". Tess holiday promotes obesity, that's my issue with her. There are women who overeat because tess holiday has made morbid obesity acceptable. You only have to do a quick YouTube search on fat acceptance and tess holiday comes up repeatedly as their hero. Layers and layers of fat, diabetes, circulation problems, heart problems, liver problems and all other extreme weight related problems aren't beautiful and she shouldn't be promoted as healthy. But let's switch it around. There's another lady on YouTube called Eugeneie Cooney. Very anorexic. Has only very recently started getting help but posted many videos glorifying her weight loss. She is just as dangerous as people like tess holiday, people who try to make dangerous weights an acceptable norm. Watching someone kill themselves for profit isn't beautiful. I'm also not considered a perfect clothes size. I'm fat, but I make no excuses for it nor do I glorify it. I don't agree with promoting an unhealthy lifestyle. I simply think these people should be allowed to be however they choose (and for some it isn't a choice) without being shamed for it. " I agree they shouldn't be shamed, but neither should they be promoted or glorified. | |||
"There's a big difference between celebrating different body types and the recent fat acceptance movement and rise of ultra slim Instagram models. Morbidly obese people shouldn't be portrayed as the norm. Ladies like Tess Holiday are being hailed as the fat and fit at any size which for the most part isn't true. No one is healthy at that size. However should someone be body shamed for their life choices, no they shouldn't. But they shouldn't be celebrated either. Same goes for the ultra slim celebs who are half starved, rumored to be snorting and injecting themselves with fillers in order to maintain the mainstream body beautiful. Yes it's great the media is acknowledging different body types, but there needs to be a sensible balance to make sure what their promoting is healthy and not the unhealthy extremes at either end of the scale. I'm my opinion of course. Sin. I agree with a lot of what you've said here. No unhealthy lifestyle should be encouraged imo. But by putting a woman like Tess Holiday on the cover of a magazine saying everyone should go and become morbidly obese? I don't think it is...I think it's saying she is beautiful and should be celebrated regardless of her size. It also helps a lot of people who do struggle with their appearance in some way see that they are beautiful to many. And not the only one who isn't a "perfect size 8/10". Tess holiday promotes obesity, that's my issue with her. There are women who overeat because tess holiday has made morbid obesity acceptable. You only have to do a quick YouTube search on fat acceptance and tess holiday comes up repeatedly as their hero. Layers and layers of fat, diabetes, circulation problems, heart problems, liver problems and all other extreme weight related problems aren't beautiful and she shouldn't be promoted as healthy. But let's switch it around. There's another lady on YouTube called Eugeneie Cooney. Very anorexic. Has only very recently started getting help but posted many videos glorifying her weight loss. She is just as dangerous as people like tess holiday, people who try to make dangerous weights an acceptable norm. Watching someone kill themselves for profit isn't beautiful. I'm also not considered a perfect clothes size. I'm fat, but I make no excuses for it nor do I glorify it. I don't agree with promoting an unhealthy lifestyle. I simply think these people should be allowed to be however they choose (and for some it isn't a choice) without being shamed for it. I agree they shouldn't be shamed, but neither should they be promoted or glorified. " Totally! But does that mean she shouldn't do magazine covers? Should smokers not either? | |||
"There's a big difference between celebrating different body types and the recent fat acceptance movement and rise of ultra slim Instagram models. Morbidly obese people shouldn't be portrayed as the norm. Ladies like Tess Holiday are being hailed as the fat and fit at any size which for the most part isn't true. No one is healthy at that size. However should someone be body shamed for their life choices, no they shouldn't. But they shouldn't be celebrated either. Same goes for the ultra slim celebs who are half starved, rumored to be snorting and injecting themselves with fillers in order to maintain the mainstream body beautiful. Yes it's great the media is acknowledging different body types, but there needs to be a sensible balance to make sure what their promoting is healthy and not the unhealthy extremes at either end of the scale. I'm my opinion of course. Sin. I agree with a lot of what you've said here. No unhealthy lifestyle should be encouraged imo. But by putting a woman like Tess Holiday on the cover of a magazine saying everyone should go and become morbidly obese? I don't think it is...I think it's saying she is beautiful and should be celebrated regardless of her size. It also helps a lot of people who do struggle with their appearance in some way see that they are beautiful to many. And not the only one who isn't a "perfect size 8/10". Tess holiday promotes obesity, that's my issue with her. There are women who overeat because tess holiday has made morbid obesity acceptable. You only have to do a quick YouTube search on fat acceptance and tess holiday comes up repeatedly as their hero. Layers and layers of fat, diabetes, circulation problems, heart problems, liver problems and all other extreme weight related problems aren't beautiful and she shouldn't be promoted as healthy. But let's switch it around. There's another lady on YouTube called Eugeneie Cooney. Very anorexic. Has only very recently started getting help but posted many videos glorifying her weight loss. She is just as dangerous as people like tess holiday, people who try to make dangerous weights an acceptable norm. Watching someone kill themselves for profit isn't beautiful. I'm also not considered a perfect clothes size. I'm fat, but I make no excuses for it nor do I glorify it. I don't agree with promoting an unhealthy lifestyle. I simply think these people should be allowed to be however they choose (and for some it isn't a choice) without being shamed for it. I agree they shouldn't be shamed, but neither should they be promoted or glorified. Totally! But does that mean she shouldn't do magazine covers? Should smokers not either? " Honestly? No she shouldn't. She is glorifying and glamorising obesity. Catwalks aren't allowed to use models with models with bmi's under 18, so there should also be a maximum bmi. As far as I'm aware magazine's aren't allowed to publish smoking models because of the health risks now known about smoking so that's a non issue. | |||
"There's a big difference between celebrating different body types and the recent fat acceptance movement and rise of ultra slim Instagram models. Morbidly obese people shouldn't be portrayed as the norm. Ladies like Tess Holiday are being hailed as the fat and fit at any size which for the most part isn't true. No one is healthy at that size. However should someone be body shamed for their life choices, no they shouldn't. But they shouldn't be celebrated either. Same goes for the ultra slim celebs who are half starved, rumored to be snorting and injecting themselves with fillers in order to maintain the mainstream body beautiful. Yes it's great the media is acknowledging different body types, but there needs to be a sensible balance to make sure what their promoting is healthy and not the unhealthy extremes at either end of the scale. I'm my opinion of course. Sin. I agree with a lot of what you've said here. No unhealthy lifestyle should be encouraged imo. But by putting a woman like Tess Holiday on the cover of a magazine saying everyone should go and become morbidly obese? I don't think it is...I think it's saying she is beautiful and should be celebrated regardless of her size. It also helps a lot of people who do struggle with their appearance in some way see that they are beautiful to many. And not the only one who isn't a "perfect size 8/10". Tess holiday promotes obesity, that's my issue with her. There are women who overeat because tess holiday has made morbid obesity acceptable. You only have to do a quick YouTube search on fat acceptance and tess holiday comes up repeatedly as their hero. Layers and layers of fat, diabetes, circulation problems, heart problems, liver problems and all other extreme weight related problems aren't beautiful and she shouldn't be promoted as healthy. But let's switch it around. There's another lady on YouTube called Eugeneie Cooney. Very anorexic. Has only very recently started getting help but posted many videos glorifying her weight loss. She is just as dangerous as people like tess holiday, people who try to make dangerous weights an acceptable norm. Watching someone kill themselves for profit isn't beautiful. I'm also not considered a perfect clothes size. I'm fat, but I make no excuses for it nor do I glorify it. I don't agree with promoting an unhealthy lifestyle. I simply think these people should be allowed to be however they choose (and for some it isn't a choice) without being shamed for it. I agree they shouldn't be shamed, but neither should they be promoted or glorified. Totally! But does that mean she shouldn't do magazine covers? Should smokers not either? Honestly? No she shouldn't. She is glorifying and glamorising obesity. Catwalks aren't allowed to use models with models with bmi's under 18, so there should also be a maximum bmi. As far as I'm aware magazine's aren't allowed to publish smoking models because of the health risks now known about smoking so that's a non issue. " I’ve never heard of that magazine rule in regards to smoking. Is it new? | |||
"There's a big difference between celebrating different body types and the recent fat acceptance movement and rise of ultra slim Instagram models. Morbidly obese people shouldn't be portrayed as the norm. Ladies like Tess Holiday are being hailed as the fat and fit at any size which for the most part isn't true. No one is healthy at that size. However should someone be body shamed for their life choices, no they shouldn't. But they shouldn't be celebrated either. Same goes for the ultra slim celebs who are half starved, rumored to be snorting and injecting themselves with fillers in order to maintain the mainstream body beautiful. Yes it's great the media is acknowledging different body types, but there needs to be a sensible balance to make sure what their promoting is healthy and not the unhealthy extremes at either end of the scale. I'm my opinion of course. Sin. I agree with a lot of what you've said here. No unhealthy lifestyle should be encouraged imo. But by putting a woman like Tess Holiday on the cover of a magazine saying everyone should go and become morbidly obese? I don't think it is...I think it's saying she is beautiful and should be celebrated regardless of her size. It also helps a lot of people who do struggle with their appearance in some way see that they are beautiful to many. And not the only one who isn't a "perfect size 8/10". Tess holiday promotes obesity, that's my issue with her. There are women who overeat because tess holiday has made morbid obesity acceptable. You only have to do a quick YouTube search on fat acceptance and tess holiday comes up repeatedly as their hero. Layers and layers of fat, diabetes, circulation problems, heart problems, liver problems and all other extreme weight related problems aren't beautiful and she shouldn't be promoted as healthy. But let's switch it around. There's another lady on YouTube called Eugeneie Cooney. Very anorexic. Has only very recently started getting help but posted many videos glorifying her weight loss. She is just as dangerous as people like tess holiday, people who try to make dangerous weights an acceptable norm. Watching someone kill themselves for profit isn't beautiful. I'm also not considered a perfect clothes size. I'm fat, but I make no excuses for it nor do I glorify it. I don't agree with promoting an unhealthy lifestyle. I simply think these people should be allowed to be however they choose (and for some it isn't a choice) without being shamed for it. I agree they shouldn't be shamed, but neither should they be promoted or glorified. Totally! But does that mean she shouldn't do magazine covers? Should smokers not either? Honestly? No she shouldn't. She is glorifying and glamorising obesity. Catwalks aren't allowed to use models with models with bmi's under 18, so there should also be a maximum bmi. As far as I'm aware magazine's aren't allowed to publish smoking models because of the health risks now known about smoking so that's a non issue. I’ve never heard of that magazine rule in regards to smoking. Is it new?" No, I stand corrected. I was sure I read that smoking wasn't allowed to be advertised but I must have misread an article. But to answer the above then yes, it should apply to smokers aswell as smoking and obesity are just as big a health risk as the other and neither should be glamourised. | |||
"There's a big difference between celebrating different body types and the recent fat acceptance movement and rise of ultra slim Instagram models. Morbidly obese people shouldn't be portrayed as the norm. Ladies like Tess Holiday are being hailed as the fat and fit at any size which for the most part isn't true. No one is healthy at that size. However should someone be body shamed for their life choices, no they shouldn't. But they shouldn't be celebrated either. Same goes for the ultra slim celebs who are half starved, rumored to be snorting and injecting themselves with fillers in order to maintain the mainstream body beautiful. Yes it's great the media is acknowledging different body types, but there needs to be a sensible balance to make sure what their promoting is healthy and not the unhealthy extremes at either end of the scale. I'm my opinion of course. Sin. I agree with a lot of what you've said here. No unhealthy lifestyle should be encouraged imo. But by putting a woman like Tess Holiday on the cover of a magazine saying everyone should go and become morbidly obese? I don't think it is...I think it's saying she is beautiful and should be celebrated regardless of her size. It also helps a lot of people who do struggle with their appearance in some way see that they are beautiful to many. And not the only one who isn't a "perfect size 8/10". Tess holiday promotes obesity, that's my issue with her. There are women who overeat because tess holiday has made morbid obesity acceptable. You only have to do a quick YouTube search on fat acceptance and tess holiday comes up repeatedly as their hero. Layers and layers of fat, diabetes, circulation problems, heart problems, liver problems and all other extreme weight related problems aren't beautiful and she shouldn't be promoted as healthy. But let's switch it around. There's another lady on YouTube called Eugeneie Cooney. Very anorexic. Has only very recently started getting help but posted many videos glorifying her weight loss. She is just as dangerous as people like tess holiday, people who try to make dangerous weights an acceptable norm. Watching someone kill themselves for profit isn't beautiful. I'm also not considered a perfect clothes size. I'm fat, but I make no excuses for it nor do I glorify it. " . You don’t look fat on your pics  must be very skillful photography ? | |||
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"We as a society need to accept that some people are big and some people are small. " That's not fair on the middle sized people | |||
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"We as a society need to accept that some people are big and some people are small. That's not fair on the middle sized people" Maybe it would be fair if you were charged for goods and services according to your size and weight? Small people pay less for clothes and seats on planes in comparison to large people, middle people stay the same, for example? | |||
"Prob had my best figure in my 20's but no confidence at all, now 41 showing signs of wear and tear but the most confident I've ever been x" You look hot. | |||
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"We as a society need to accept that some people are big and some people are small. That's not fair on the middle sized people Maybe it would be fair if you were charged for goods and services according to your size and weight? Small people pay less for clothes and seats on planes in comparison to large people, middle people stay the same, for example?" If it encourages women to buy clothes that are too tight for them then I'm all for it. | |||
"We as a society need to accept that some people are big and some people are small. That's not fair on the middle sized people Maybe it would be fair if you were charged for goods and services according to your size and weight? Small people pay less for clothes and seats on planes in comparison to large people, middle people stay the same, for example?" Middle people stay the same how? Do they pay small people prices? Or big people prices? Or just a “standard” price for “average”? | |||
"There's a big difference between celebrating different body types and the recent fat acceptance movement and rise of ultra slim Instagram models. Morbidly obese people shouldn't be portrayed as the norm. Ladies like Tess Holiday are being hailed as the fat and fit at any size which for the most part isn't true. No one is healthy at that size. However should someone be body shamed for their life choices, no they shouldn't. But they shouldn't be celebrated either. Same goes for the ultra slim celebs who are half starved, rumored to be snorting and injecting themselves with fillers in order to maintain the mainstream body beautiful. Yes it's great the media is acknowledging different body types, but there needs to be a sensible balance to make sure what their promoting is healthy and not the unhealthy extremes at either end of the scale. I'm my opinion of course. Sin. I agree with a lot of what you've said here. No unhealthy lifestyle should be encouraged imo. But by putting a woman like Tess Holiday on the cover of a magazine saying everyone should go and become morbidly obese? I don't think it is...I think it's saying she is beautiful and should be celebrated regardless of her size. It also helps a lot of people who do struggle with their appearance in some way see that they are beautiful to many. And not the only one who isn't a "perfect size 8/10". Tess holiday promotes obesity, that's my issue with her. There are women who overeat because tess holiday has made morbid obesity acceptable. You only have to do a quick YouTube search on fat acceptance and tess holiday comes up repeatedly as their hero. Layers and layers of fat, diabetes, circulation problems, heart problems, liver problems and all other extreme weight related problems aren't beautiful and she shouldn't be promoted as healthy. But let's switch it around. There's another lady on YouTube called Eugeneie Cooney. Very anorexic. Has only very recently started getting help but posted many videos glorifying her weight loss. She is just as dangerous as people like tess holiday, people who try to make dangerous weights an acceptable norm. Watching someone kill themselves for profit isn't beautiful. I'm also not considered a perfect clothes size. I'm fat, but I make no excuses for it nor do I glorify it. . You don’t look fat on your pics must be very skillful photography ? "Or her interpretation of “fat” isn’t your interpretation of “fat”? | |||
"There's a big difference between celebrating different body types and the recent fat acceptance movement and rise of ultra slim Instagram models. Morbidly obese people shouldn't be portrayed as the norm. Ladies like Tess Holiday are being hailed as the fat and fit at any size which for the most part isn't true. No one is healthy at that size. However should someone be body shamed for their life choices, no they shouldn't. But they shouldn't be celebrated either. Same goes for the ultra slim celebs who are half starved, rumored to be snorting and injecting themselves with fillers in order to maintain the mainstream body beautiful. Yes it's great the media is acknowledging different body types, but there needs to be a sensible balance to make sure what their promoting is healthy and not the unhealthy extremes at either end of the scale. I'm my opinion of course. Sin. I agree with a lot of what you've said here. No unhealthy lifestyle should be encouraged imo. But by putting a woman like Tess Holiday on the cover of a magazine saying everyone should go and become morbidly obese? I don't think it is...I think it's saying she is beautiful and should be celebrated regardless of her size. It also helps a lot of people who do struggle with their appearance in some way see that they are beautiful to many. And not the only one who isn't a "perfect size 8/10". Tess holiday promotes obesity, that's my issue with her. There are women who overeat because tess holiday has made morbid obesity acceptable. You only have to do a quick YouTube search on fat acceptance and tess holiday comes up repeatedly as their hero. Layers and layers of fat, diabetes, circulation problems, heart problems, liver problems and all other extreme weight related problems aren't beautiful and she shouldn't be promoted as healthy. But let's switch it around. There's another lady on YouTube called Eugeneie Cooney. Very anorexic. Has only very recently started getting help but posted many videos glorifying her weight loss. She is just as dangerous as people like tess holiday, people who try to make dangerous weights an acceptable norm. Watching someone kill themselves for profit isn't beautiful. I'm also not considered a perfect clothes size. I'm fat, but I make no excuses for it nor do I glorify it. . You don’t look fat on your pics must be very skillful photography ? "I'm on the top end of a size 16, but being hourglass shape tends to make me look smaller in pics than I am. I don't have rolls but I am definitely in the fat category and if we want to go off bmi I'm considered obese by the nhs. | |||
"We as a society need to accept that some people are big and some people are small. That's not fair on the middle sized people Maybe it would be fair if you were charged for goods and services according to your size and weight? Small people pay less for clothes and seats on planes in comparison to large people, middle people stay the same, for example?" Terrible idea imo. What about those who need bigger sizes/more room due to height? Or boobs? At a size 10/12, I had to wear at least a 16/18 on top most of the time due to having larger breasts than most clothes in my size would allow. Taller ladies also have the same issue at times. And there's all those people who's weight is out of their control. Not every one who is fat is fat out of choice. Nor do I believe they should be charged for it! | |||
"I do think it’s a good thing that ALL bodies are within the media, so that people have a realistic view of others. You put supermodels on the TV all the time, and anyone who ain’t a supermodel can become “subhuman” sadly. Although, I don’t agree with “celebrating” obesity at all, as it isn’t unhealthy, just as anorexia is. I’m a size 20 myself, losing weight, I’ve lost 3 stone so far, and I don’t agree with celebrating being overweight & unhealthy. Inclusive body positivity is definitely on the rise. Online stores like ASOS are photographing models of all sizes with visible disabilities, cellulite, stretch marks, scars etc, and I love it. If you have any of these things it makes you feel normal, and you think “I can wear that”.
What do you see as "celebrating obesity" though?
This is where I struggle a bit...is someone who's obese's photograph being used celebrating their size? Or is it just them existing and thriving regardless of their weight?
Not at all. I don’t think that is celebrating obesity. More so celebrating themselves & making people who look like them feel more “normal”.
It’s when they put down slimmer women, and say it’s okay to eat unhealthy as long as you’re happy. That to me is celebrating obesity, when it comes from a bigger person.
I can’t remember the woman’s name who did it but I didn’t like it at all. She basically put down slimmer models calling them all sorts, whilst saying eat cake all you want, there was a whole thread of her tweeting insulting people who were slimmer, taller, and people who had “healthy” Instagram pages calling them pretentious & up their own arse for going to the gym.
Then after posted a selfie of herself with a burger saying “Fuck you skinny bitches”, this was a while ago. That to me is quite toxic, and if a slimmer model had done similar she’d have been berated.
I think people should accept we are all different, yes some of us overweight, some of us underweight, some perfectly healthy, others not so.
Some people assume being unhealthy is related to being fat alone, when you can be slim & unhealthy also.
"I agree with this! From my childhood, everyone on tv was white and spoke like the Queen. If you saw a black person they were either a criminal or the help. Fat people the butt of jokes, regional accents the village idiot etc. Nowadays you see all sorts in prominent positions and that's a good thing. | |||
"We as a society need to accept that some people are big and some people are small. That's not fair on the middle sized people Maybe it would be fair if you were charged for goods and services according to your size and weight? Small people pay less for clothes and seats on planes in comparison to large people, middle people stay the same, for example? Middle people stay the same how? Do they pay small people prices? Or big people prices? Or just a “standard” price for “average”? " Standard price for average, sounds about right. | |||
"I do think it’s a good thing that ALL bodies are within the media, so that people have a realistic view of others. You put supermodels on the TV all the time, and anyone who ain’t a supermodel can become “subhuman” sadly. Although, I don’t agree with “celebrating” obesity at all, as it isn’t unhealthy, just as anorexia is. I’m a size 20 myself, losing weight, I’ve lost 3 stone so far, and I don’t agree with celebrating being overweight & unhealthy. Inclusive body positivity is definitely on the rise. Online stores like ASOS are photographing models of all sizes with visible disabilities, cellulite, stretch marks, scars etc, and I love it. If you have any of these things it makes you feel normal, and you think “I can wear that”.
What do you see as "celebrating obesity" though?
This is where I struggle a bit...is someone who's obese's photograph being used celebrating their size? Or is it just them existing and thriving regardless of their weight?
Not at all. I don’t think that is celebrating obesity. More so celebrating themselves & making people who look like them feel more “normal”.
It’s when they put down slimmer women, and say it’s okay to eat unhealthy as long as you’re happy. That to me is celebrating obesity, when it comes from a bigger person.
I can’t remember the woman’s name who did it but I didn’t like it at all. She basically put down slimmer models calling them all sorts, whilst saying eat cake all you want, there was a whole thread of her tweeting insulting people who were slimmer, taller, and people who had “healthy” Instagram pages calling them pretentious & up their own arse for going to the gym.
Then after posted a selfie of herself with a burger saying “Fuck you skinny bitches”, this was a while ago. That to me is quite toxic, and if a slimmer model had done similar she’d have been berated.
I think people should accept we are all different, yes some of us overweight, some of us underweight, some perfectly healthy, others not so.
Some people assume being unhealthy is related to being fat alone, when you can be slim & unhealthy also.
I agree with this!
From my childhood, everyone on tv was white and spoke like the Queen. If you saw a black person they were either a criminal or the help. Fat people the butt of jokes, regional accents the village idiot etc.
Nowadays you see all sorts in prominent positions and that's a good thing. " | |||
