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"Iv just watched it,the scenes at night and are very dark and I struggled to make out what was going on, the lighting is terrible it spoilt that episode" That was part of the immersive experience of it though - the not quite knowing what was happening and being in the thick of it is what made it for me - although will be nothing up the brightness a little when I watch it again later  | |||
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"So it was goodbye to: Ed Tollett The Dothraki (pretty much all of them!!) Lyanna Mormont Ser Jorah Mormont Beric Dondarrion Theon Melisandre The Night King, his cronies and the walkers I'm hoping Ghost escaped but fear he may be lost too. Anyone I've missed? Any thoughts on anyone we might find out next week has been killed or who dies as a result of wounds? " Well I think these people might very well be dead: Jamie Brienne Podrick Sam Ginger Beard Tormund Grey Worm | |||
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"I've just watched it on my phone and I could see fine! I don't get what people are saying about it being too dark... " I drew the curtains and put my TV in cinema. Could see just fine. | |||
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"Iv just watched it,the scenes at night and are very dark and I struggled to make out what was going on, the lighting is terrible it spoilt that episode" He was called the night king, so dont see much chance of him fighting in glorious sunshine | |||
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"I've just watched it on my phone and I could see fine! I don't get what people are saying about it being too dark... " Shit tv's | |||
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"Wow, what carnage, death after death and a bloodbath. Lyanna was awesome, but Jon Snow disappointing running around like a headless chicken. I don't understand why Melisandre committed suicide? So many great characters dead but what an awesome episode. Phew, I'm tired out after watching it and actually felt stressed and tense. " I think she needed the night king to survive. Light and dark need each other and she had served her purpose which was to help in the battle, now she has served her purpose against the night king she served her purpose to the lord of light | |||
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"With the killing of the night king/White Walkers I got a similar feeling like with the ending of lost "Think it was always going to be the end of him in this episode - leaves 3 episodes to deal with the ultimate question of who takes the throne | |||
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Or maybe just confused me, why did the Dothraki on horse back run head on at the beginning? Surely they would have been better off waiting and flanking?
Or am I missing something?
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"What I do find sad is that house Mormont is now dead "But their sword lives on in the hands of John Snow | |||
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"So it was goodbye to: Ed Tollett The Dothraki (pretty much all of them!!) Lyanna Mormont Ser Jorah Mormont Beric Dondarrion Theon Melisandre The Night King, his cronies and the walkers I'm hoping Ghost escaped but fear he may be lost too. Anyone I've missed? Any thoughts on anyone we might find out next week has been killed or who dies as a result of wounds? Well I think these people might very well be dead: Jamie Brienne Podrick Sam Ginger Beard Tormund Grey Worm" Nope characters that we've followed for years will all be killed on screen, they wouldn't waste time getting people invested in the characters to kill them off screen. The ones that are dead are the ones that you see die definitively | |||
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"So it was goodbye to: Ed Tollett The Dothraki (pretty much all of them!!) Lyanna Mormont Ser Jorah Mormont Beric Dondarrion Theon Melisandre The Night King, his cronies and the walkers I'm hoping Ghost escaped but fear he may be lost too. Anyone I've missed? Any thoughts on anyone we might find out next week has been killed or who dies as a result of wounds? Well I think these people might very well be dead: Jamie Brienne Podrick Sam Ginger Beard Tormund Grey Worm Nope characters that we've followed for years will all be killed on screen, they wouldn't waste time getting people invested in the characters to kill them off screen. The ones that are dead are the ones that you see die definitively" Agree and having just watched it again Jamie, Brienne and Pod are seen still standing at the end, likewise Tormund I think. Ghost is apparently visible in the trailer for next week. The *only* possible I can see is that someone may be found injured and die of their wounds at the start of next week's episode. | |||
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"The one thing that annoyed me
Or maybe just confused me, why did the Dothraki on horse back run head on at the beginning? Surely they would have been better off waiting and flanking?
Or am I missing something?
D."I thought that too - but on reflection I think it was a cinematic device as much as anything to show the sheer power of the dead, and symbolise it with the flames going out on the Dothraki swords | |||
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"The one thing that annoyed me
Or maybe just confused me, why did the Dothraki on horse back run head on at the beginning? Surely they would have been better off waiting and flanking?
Or am I missing something?
D.
I thought that too - but on reflection I think it was a cinematic device as much as anything to show the sheer power of the dead, and symbolise it with the flames going out on the Dothraki swords"They explained it in the BTS, they wanted to do that to show hope for the living and then crash it right after. | |||
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"Grey worm best be alive and so too the hound " Well The Hound is - he was with Melisandre at the end before she walked off to die. He has unfinished business with his brother so they won't kill him off....yet!! | |||
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 thanks!
I just pictured all those battle hardened ‘generals’ planning out the battle and all of them agreed to sending the cavalry head on!
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"I suppose that answers my question thanks!
I just pictured all those battle hardened ‘generals’ planning out the battle and all of them agreed to sending the cavalry head on!
D."Thing is the Dothraki were a law unto themselves anyway, and probably wouldn't take to being commanded, add to that that they'd not come up against the dead before and they probably thought they could employ their usual tactics | |||
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"Did anyone see Gendry? I didn't see him after the dead attacked the wall... " Gendry and Sam were both unseen at the end - but there is a clip of Arya getting passionate with what I assume must be Gendry in the trailer for episode 4 | |||
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"Personally I thought it was quite simply a breathtaking episode, amazing cinematography, brilliant battle scenes and a fantastic twist at the end. It has to be one of the all time TV spectacles. " It was too dark | |||
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"Personally I thought it was quite simply a breathtaking episode, amazing cinematography, brilliant battle scenes and a fantastic twist at the end. It has to be one of the all time TV spectacles. " Agreed - have watched it twice now and took my breath away both times. There's a really good 40 minute behind the scenes thing on the GOT FB page that's worth a watch | |||
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"Personally I thought it was quite simply a breathtaking episode, amazing cinematography, brilliant battle scenes and a fantastic twist at the end. It has to be one of the all time TV spectacles. It was too dark " It was night time - it was meant to be and that just added to the spectacle for me, immersed you in it completely the whole not knowing quite what was going on in the thick of battle thing - a slight adjustment to the brightness setting helped a little too | |||
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"Did anyone see Gendry? I didn't see him after the dead attacked the wall... " I didn’t notice him alive or undead. I guess alive as he is a Baratheon bastard, so may yet have a role to play | |||
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"I suppose that answers my question thanks!
I just pictured all those battle hardened ‘generals’ planning out the battle and all of them agreed to sending the cavalry head on!
D.
Thing is the Dothraki were a law unto themselves anyway, and probably wouldn't take to being commanded, add to that that they'd not come up against the dead before and they probably thought they could employ their usual tactics"Very good point | |||
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"Grey worm best be alive and so too the hound Well The Hound is - he was with Melisandre at the end before she walked off to die. He has unfinished business with his brother so they won't kill him off....yet!!" that wasn't the hound... that was ser devos, who would have killed her for getting stannis to murder shireen at a stake... but anyway, i think we are owed the "clegane" bowl..... | |||
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" The only winner in all of this is cersie danys forces are basically non existent now, also does she only have one dragon left??? " There are still other houses out there who could yet join Dany (the Sands, the bulk of the Greyjoys, and Vale Of Arryn) to bulk out her depleted forces. Both dragons were still alive at the end too - and can also be seen in the trailer for next week
Also the director they used for this week's episode is known for his battle scenes which is why he was used - he also directs episode 5 - so suspect another big battle in that one | |||
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"Just thought, the red women says that ",brown eyes, green eyes and blue eyes, all of which you will close forever".... Guess which main character has green eyes?.... Cersie!" There was also the prophecy where she would be killed by a younger sibling and Jamie is a few minutes younger than cersie | |||
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"Dont think Dany will give up the crown so Jon can have it." They'll marry each other if they survive the series | |||
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"If it was real Game of Thrones one of the major characters would have died. This was the beauty of early series, the shock of key characters losing their lives. They have gone soft as it has become more popular unfortunately." Not sure, I think they're keeping the main characters alive to keep you guessing who will get the throne | |||
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"I don't think they got the balance right. Firstly throwing away thousands of troops in a suicide mission.. poorly thought out. Secondly it was too dark.. only catching glimpses of fire and that was the odd face. Threw away so much time where actors could be seen.. Thirdly how did arya get past ALL the wights? What happened to Jon's Dragon?.. Kind of let down.. " Well said and good observations! The episode, for one so significant and hyped up, was lacking something! But wait! Theres always next week | |||
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"Just thought, the red women says that ",brown eyes, green eyes and blue eyes, all of which you will close forever".... Guess which main character has green eyes?.... Cersie!" If ayra gets to kill cersie too its a f ing joke. She already got revenge for the red wedding and then to go on to kill the night king was horse shit, shes a mary sue just like rey from star wars. If they really wanted her to have some kick ass moment thrn have her take on and kill a couple of the night kings lieutenants (who just stood watching and didnt even draw a sword....so dissapointing) but to have her use some kind of invisibility teleporting scene from no where ruined the whole episode for me. Why even send the entire dothraki army in to get wiped out in less than a minute? Should have just sent podrick, sam, brie and jamiee out there, they could have held them all off for the whole episode. Thankfully GRRM has said the books will be different to how season 8 has been written. | |||
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"I don't think they got the balance right. Firstly throwing away thousands of troops in a suicide mission.. poorly thought out. " They were always going to lose thousands and knew it in that battle anyway so was either a case of fighting it there or somewhere else - still would have lost thousands. "Secondly it was too dark.. only catching glimpses of fire and that was the odd face. Threw away so much time where actors could be seen.." Personally I disagree - I liked the fact that it was dark and immersed the viewer in the action so you didn't really know what was happening - as would have been the case if you'd actually been there. "Thirdly how did arya get past ALL the wights? " Ninja skills she learned with the Faceless Man "What happened to Jon's Dragon?.." Think we saw it land - it's certainly in the trailer for next week's episode | |||
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"I don't think they got the balance right. Firstly throwing away thousands of troops in a suicide mission.. poorly thought out. They were always going to lose thousands and knew it in that battle anyway so was either a case of fighting it there or somewhere else - still would have lost thousands. Secondly it was too dark.. only catching glimpses of fire and that was the odd face. Threw away so much time where actors could be seen.. Personally I disagree - I liked the fact that it was dark and immersed the viewer in the action so you didn't really know what was happening - as would have been the case if you'd actually been there. Thirdly how did arya get past ALL the wights? Ninja skills she learned with the Faceless Man What happened to Jon's Dragon?.. Think we saw it land - it's certainly in the trailer for next week's episode "Ninja skills or not, doesnt include teleporting out of thin air. Just using ninja skills as an explantion is a cop out. The walkers could hear a tiny drop of blood earlier in the episode. The night king could hear jon behind him about 400 meters away. The last scene we see of ayra is getting chased into a room by hundreds of the dead, then the next shes teleporting out of the sky. Sorry thats just bad writing in my eyes. | |||
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"I don't think they got the balance right. Firstly throwing away thousands of troops in a suicide mission.. poorly thought out. They were always going to lose thousands and knew it in that battle anyway so was either a case of fighting it there or somewhere else - still would have lost thousands. Secondly it was too dark.. only catching glimpses of fire and that was the odd face. Threw away so much time where actors could be seen.. Personally I disagree - I liked the fact that it was dark and immersed the viewer in the action so you didn't really know what was happening - as would have been the case if you'd actually been there. Thirdly how did arya get past ALL the wights? Ninja skills she learned with the Faceless Man What happened to Jon's Dragon?.. Think we saw it land - it's certainly in the trailer for next week's episode
Ninja skills or not, doesnt include teleporting out of thin air.
Just using ninja skills as an explantion is a cop out.
The walkers could hear a tiny drop of blood earlier in the episode.
The night king could hear jon behind him about 400 meters away.
The last scene we see of ayra is getting chased into a room by hundreds of the dead, then the next shes teleporting out of the sky.
Sorry thats just bad writing in my eyes."She didn't "teleport" out of thin air - as you yourself pointed out yesterday you saw the hair of one of the whites shift as she ran past him and took a leap at the Nights King from there. We actually last saw her heading off from the room she had been chased into (where she had the conversation with Melisandre that prompted her realisation of what she needed to do) some time before then and the BTS programme I mentioned further up explained that they wanted viewers to have not seen Arya for some time to provide the "surprise" factor when she leapt out. Don't forget too that Arya would have been very familiar with Winterfell and the various routes to where she knew Bran was, which from memory includes underground passages to there. As for her ninja skills - I think that's an incredibly valid reason for how she was able to get there and be the one to deal the killer blow - after all if not why did they invest so much time showing her getting training in earlier series? It's all a matter of opinion of course, but I personally loved every minute of the episode, which I've now watched twice, and wasn't left disappointed by it, or feeling credulity had been stretched at all - you obviously have a different opinion to that, and that of course is your prerogative. Perhaps you could explain how you would have played it out differently? | |||
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" She didn't "teleport" out of thin air - as you yourself pointed out yesterday you saw the hair of one of the whites shift as she ran past him and took a leap at the Nights King from there. We actually last saw her heading off from the room she had been chased into (where she had the conversation with Melisandre that prompted her realisation of what she needed to do) some time before then and the BTS programme I mentioned further up explained that they wanted viewers to have not seen Arya for some time to provide the "surprise" factor when she leapt out. Don't forget too that Arya would have been very familiar with Winterfell and the various routes to where she knew Bran was, which from memory includes underground passages to there. As for her ninja skills - I think that's an incredibly valid reason for how she was able to get there and be the one to deal the killer blow - after all if not why did they invest so much time showing her getting training in earlier series??" I agree completely! Arya has had a huge amount of build up to bring her to this point. I don't think it was bad writing. It makes sense with her history and training that she could sneak up so stealthily. I think Arya could possibly kill Cersei too while wearing Jaimies face, we shall see! | |||
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"I don't think they got the balance right. Firstly throwing away thousands of troops in a suicide mission.. poorly thought out. They were always going to lose thousands and knew it in that battle anyway so was either a case of fighting it there or somewhere else - still would have lost thousands. Secondly it was too dark.. only catching glimpses of fire and that was the odd face. Threw away so much time where actors could be seen.. Personally I disagree - I liked the fact that it was dark and immersed the viewer in the action so you didn't really know what was happening - as would have been the case if you'd actually been there. Thirdly how did arya get past ALL the wights? Ninja skills she learned with the Faceless Man What happened to Jon's Dragon?.. Think we saw it land - it's certainly in the trailer for next week's episode
Ninja skills or not, doesnt include teleporting out of thin air.
Just using ninja skills as an explantion is a cop out.
The walkers could hear a tiny drop of blood earlier in the episode.
The night king could hear jon behind him about 400 meters away.
The last scene we see of ayra is getting chased into a room by hundreds of the dead, then the next shes teleporting out of the sky.
Sorry thats just bad writing in my eyes.
She didn't "teleport" out of thin air - as you yourself pointed out yesterday you saw the hair of one of the whites shift as she ran past him and took a leap at the Nights King from there.
We actually last saw her heading off from the room she had been chased into (where she had the conversation with Melisandre that prompted her realisation of what she needed to do) some time before then and the BTS programme I mentioned further up explained that they wanted viewers to have not seen Arya for some time to provide the "surprise" factor when she leapt out.
Don't forget too that Arya would have been very familiar with Winterfell and the various routes to where she knew Bran was, which from memory includes underground passages to there.
As for her ninja skills - I think that's an incredibly valid reason for how she was able to get there and be the one to deal the killer blow - after all if not why did they invest so much time showing her getting training in earlier series?
It's all a matter of opinion of course, but I personally loved every minute of the episode, which I've now watched twice, and wasn't left disappointed by it, or feeling credulity had been stretched at all - you obviously have a different opinion to that, and that of course is your prerogative.
Perhaps you could explain how you would have played it out differently?"I sure can... Simply this....mary sue ayra doesnt get to be the one to kill night king when its been jons fight for the past 5 seasons from when he got to the wall. Sure if writers wanted to give her a OP moment then have her kill some of his lieutenants making a opening for jon to reach the night king. Giving arya another moment of glory after getting revenge for the red wedding and possibly another glory moment killing cersie (we shall see) is just a joke. Its not just the ayra bit eiher its how the other main charecters kept getting shown being over run by the dead only for the next scene to have them somwhere else doing just fine again. For a decade its been about winter is coming, and he went out with a whimper. Not even any kind of dialoque with bran either. Sorry dude we need to agree to disagree but the episode was not good, loads of people, infact the majority of people over on reddit game of thrones page or in you tube comments section on various reviews all saying the same thing. Only a casual viewer would think of this episode as amazing episode and apply no critical thinking what so ever. The strategy of the battle too, wow where to even begin. A 10 year old could hsve come up with a better battle plan. | |||
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"Agree with so many people on here yes or was a great episode but man it was poor also for reasons already stated. 1) tactics of the battle (waste of shock cavalry aka dothraki). 2) they could easily of killed one or two of the "main" characters as they have in previous seasons. 3)the white walkers doing nothing for the episode, Brienne or Beric could easily of fought one of them. 4)this was John's war, he convinced everyone of the threat, him and the night King have sized each other up a couple of times so he should of at least got a chance to fight him. I'm now going to stop so I don't post a total essay..." Thankyou I'm glad somome gets it | |||
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"Just thought, the red women says that ",brown eyes, green eyes and blue eyes, all of which you will close forever".... Guess which main character has green eyes?.... Cersie! If ayra gets to kill cersie too its a f ing joke. She already got revenge for the red wedding and then to go on to kill the night king was horse shit, shes a mary sue just like rey from star wars. If they really wanted her to have some kick ass moment thrn have her take on and kill a couple of the night kings lieutenants (who just stood watching and didnt even draw a sword....so dissapointing) but to have her use some kind of invisibility teleporting scene from no where ruined the whole episode for me. Why even send the entire dothraki army in to get wiped out in less than a minute? Should have just sent podrick, sam, brie and jamiee out there, they could have held them all off for the whole episode. Thankfully GRRM has said the books will be different to how season 8 has been written. " Agree with most of what you said, but Arya has been training to fight since the very first season. Shes no Mary Sue | |||
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"Just thought, the red women says that ",brown eyes, green eyes and blue eyes, all of which you will close forever".... Guess which main character has green eyes?.... Cersie! There was also the prophecy where she would be killed by a younger sibling and Jamie is a few minutes younger than cersie" So is Tyrion but I think Sansa will be the one to off her I reckon they’ll hole off in the vale and wait for Cersei’s army as it’s treacherous mountains difficult for that many soldiers to storm up it at once | |||
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"I don't think they got the balance right. Firstly throwing away thousands of troops in a suicide mission.. poorly thought out. They were always going to lose thousands and knew it in that battle anyway so was either a case of fighting it there or somewhere else - still would have lost thousands. Secondly it was too dark.. only catching glimpses of fire and that was the odd face. Threw away so much time where actors could be seen.. Personally I disagree - I liked the fact that it was dark and immersed the viewer in the action so you didn't really know what was happening - as would have been the case if you'd actually been there. Thirdly how did arya get past ALL the wights? Ninja skills she learned with the Faceless Man What happened to Jon's Dragon?.. Think we saw it land - it's certainly in the trailer for next week's episode
Ninja skills or not, doesnt include teleporting out of thin air.
Just using ninja skills as an explantion is a cop out.
The walkers could hear a tiny drop of blood earlier in the episode.
The night king could hear jon behind him about 400 meters away.
The last scene we see of ayra is getting chased into a room by hundreds of the dead, then the next shes teleporting out of the sky.
Sorry thats just bad writing in my eyes.
She didn't "teleport" out of thin air - as you yourself pointed out yesterday you saw the hair of one of the whites shift as she ran past him and took a leap at the Nights King from there.
We actually last saw her heading off from the room she had been chased into (where she had the conversation with Melisandre that prompted her realisation of what she needed to do) some time before then and the BTS programme I mentioned further up explained that they wanted viewers to have not seen Arya for some time to provide the "surprise" factor when she leapt out.
Don't forget too that Arya would have been very familiar with Winterfell and the various routes to where she knew Bran was, which from memory includes underground passages to there.
As for her ninja skills - I think that's an incredibly valid reason for how she was able to get there and be the one to deal the killer blow - after all if not why did they invest so much time showing her getting training in earlier series?
It's all a matter of opinion of course, but I personally loved every minute of the episode, which I've now watched twice, and wasn't left disappointed by it, or feeling credulity had been stretched at all - you obviously have a different opinion to that, and that of course is your prerogative.
Perhaps you could explain how you would have played it out differently?"If it's all a matter of opinion why have you disagreed with everyone who doesn't share yours? And pulled apart their arguments? As to your theories about Arya killing the NK remember Bran was way out of the castle in the woods.. so Arya had to get out of the castle, past the killing zones and into the woods, past thousands of white walkers and wights. Is there a secret treetop path? She jumped down on him (the height difference was too big for her to launch from the ground). And if you are being pernickety, when the NK caught her mid air the trajectory of the knife would be almost impossible to drop into her free hand without his arm being in the way.. | |||
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"I don't think they got the balance right. Firstly throwing away thousands of troops in a suicide mission.. poorly thought out. They were always going to lose thousands and knew it in that battle anyway so was either a case of fighting it there or somewhere else - still would have lost thousands. Secondly it was too dark.. only catching glimpses of fire and that was the odd face. Threw away so much time where actors could be seen.. Personally I disagree - I liked the fact that it was dark and immersed the viewer in the action so you didn't really know what was happening - as would have been the case if you'd actually been there. Thirdly how did arya get past ALL the wights? Ninja skills she learned with the Faceless Man What happened to Jon's Dragon?.. Think we saw it land - it's certainly in the trailer for next week's episode
Ninja skills or not, doesnt include teleporting out of thin air.
Just using ninja skills as an explantion is a cop out.
The walkers could hear a tiny drop of blood earlier in the episode.
The night king could hear jon behind him about 400 meters away.
The last scene we see of ayra is getting chased into a room by hundreds of the dead, then the next shes teleporting out of the sky.
Sorry thats just bad writing in my eyes.
She didn't "teleport" out of thin air - as you yourself pointed out yesterday you saw the hair of one of the whites shift as she ran past him and took a leap at the Nights King from there.
We actually last saw her heading off from the room she had been chased into (where she had the conversation with Melisandre that prompted her realisation of what she needed to do) some time before then and the BTS programme I mentioned further up explained that they wanted viewers to have not seen Arya for some time to provide the "surprise" factor when she leapt out.
Don't forget too that Arya would have been very familiar with Winterfell and the various routes to where she knew Bran was, which from memory includes underground passages to there.
As for her ninja skills - I think that's an incredibly valid reason for how she was able to get there and be the one to deal the killer blow - after all if not why did they invest so much time showing her getting training in earlier series?
It's all a matter of opinion of course, but I personally loved every minute of the episode, which I've now watched twice, and wasn't left disappointed by it, or feeling credulity had been stretched at all - you obviously have a different opinion to that, and that of course is your prerogative.
Perhaps you could explain how you would have played it out differently?
If it's all a matter of opinion why have you disagreed with everyone who doesn't share yours? And pulled apart their arguments?
As to your theories about Arya killing the NK remember Bran was way out of the castle in the woods.. so Arya had to get out of the castle, past the killing zones and into the woods, past thousands of white walkers and wights. Is there a secret treetop path? She jumped down on him (the height difference was too big for her to launch from the ground). And if you are being pernickety, when the NK caught her mid air the trajectory of the knife would be almost impossible to drop into her free hand without his arm being in the way.."The gods wood where Bran and Theon were is part of the castle, it's not outside or far away. It's essentially their back garden. I can't comment about the realism of the knife or its trajectory. I think when we're talking about a ninja girl who can wear other people's faces, fighting a thousand year old man who controls an army of the dead, maybe realism was a few towns back... | |||
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"There still has to be an air of plausibility, we establish the story and it characters including dragons and the living dead, but there still has to be plausibility " Yes, I was just being a bit pedantic. Some aspects, I think a healthy suspension of disbelief is required, for others you expect realism. I didn't have an issue with Arya's journey, obviously others do. | |||
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"I don't think they got the balance right. Firstly throwing away thousands of troops in a suicide mission.. poorly thought out. They were always going to lose thousands and knew it in that battle anyway so was either a case of fighting it there or somewhere else - still would have lost thousands. Secondly it was too dark.. only catching glimpses of fire and that was the odd face. Threw away so much time where actors could be seen.. Personally I disagree - I liked the fact that it was dark and immersed the viewer in the action so you didn't really know what was happening - as would have been the case if you'd actually been there. Thirdly how did arya get past ALL the wights? Ninja skills she learned with the Faceless Man What happened to Jon's Dragon?.. Think we saw it land - it's certainly in the trailer for next week's episode
Ninja skills or not, doesnt include teleporting out of thin air.
Just using ninja skills as an explantion is a cop out.
The walkers could hear a tiny drop of blood earlier in the episode.
The night king could hear jon behind him about 400 meters away.
The last scene we see of ayra is getting chased into a room by hundreds of the dead, then the next shes teleporting out of the sky.
Sorry thats just bad writing in my eyes."she learned how to be an assassin she could move silently hence getting away from the room and sneaking up on nk.. | |||
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" She didn't "teleport" out of thin air - as you yourself pointed out yesterday you saw the hair of one of the whites shift as she ran past him and took a leap at the Nights King from there. We actually last saw her heading off from the room she had been chased into (where she had the conversation with Melisandre that prompted her realisation of what she needed to do) some time before then and the BTS programme I mentioned further up explained that they wanted viewers to have not seen Arya for some time to provide the "surprise" factor when she leapt out. Don't forget too that Arya would have been very familiar with Winterfell and the various routes to where she knew Bran was, which from memory includes underground passages to there. As for her ninja skills - I think that's an incredibly valid reason for how she was able to get there and be the one to deal the killer blow - after all if not why did they invest so much time showing her getting training in earlier series?? I agree completely! Arya has had a huge amount of build up to bring her to this point. I don't think it was bad writing. It makes sense with her history and training that she could sneak up so stealthily. I think Arya could possibly kill Cersei too while wearing Jaimies face, we shall see! " and boning her with needle haha | |||
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"I don't think they got the balance right. Firstly throwing away thousands of troops in a suicide mission.. poorly thought out. They were always going to lose thousands and knew it in that battle anyway so was either a case of fighting it there or somewhere else - still would have lost thousands. Secondly it was too dark.. only catching glimpses of fire and that was the odd face. Threw away so much time where actors could be seen.. Personally I disagree - I liked the fact that it was dark and immersed the viewer in the action so you didn't really know what was happening - as would have been the case if you'd actually been there. Thirdly how did arya get past ALL the wights? Ninja skills she learned with the Faceless Man What happened to Jon's Dragon?.. Think we saw it land - it's certainly in the trailer for next week's episode
Ninja skills or not, doesnt include teleporting out of thin air.
Just using ninja skills as an explantion is a cop out.
The walkers could hear a tiny drop of blood earlier in the episode.
The night king could hear jon behind him about 400 meters away.
The last scene we see of ayra is getting chased into a room by hundreds of the dead, then the next shes teleporting out of the sky.
Sorry thats just bad writing in my eyes. she learned how to be an assassin she could move silently hence getting away from the room and sneaking up on nk.."Ok lol Lets just agree to disagree. Bran was surround by walkers there was no way through. Writing was bad plain and simple. | |||
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"I don't think they got the balance right. Firstly throwing away thousands of troops in a suicide mission.. poorly thought out. They were always going to lose thousands and knew it in that battle anyway so was either a case of fighting it there or somewhere else - still would have lost thousands. Secondly it was too dark.. only catching glimpses of fire and that was the odd face. Threw away so much time where actors could be seen.. Personally I disagree - I liked the fact that it was dark and immersed the viewer in the action so you didn't really know what was happening - as would have been the case if you'd actually been there. Thirdly how did arya get past ALL the wights? Ninja skills she learned with the Faceless Man What happened to Jon's Dragon?.. Think we saw it land - it's certainly in the trailer for next week's episode
Ninja skills or not, doesnt include teleporting out of thin air.
Just using ninja skills as an explantion is a cop out.
The walkers could hear a tiny drop of blood earlier in the episode.
The night king could hear jon behind him about 400 meters away.
The last scene we see of ayra is getting chased into a room by hundreds of the dead, then the next shes teleporting out of the sky.
Sorry thats just bad writing in my eyes. she learned how to be an assassin she could move silently hence getting away from the room and sneaking up on nk..
Ok lol
Lets just agree to disagree.
Bran was surround by walkers there was no way through.
Writing was bad plain and simple.
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"I think that those complaining about the lack of main characters dying need to remember that there are still 3 episodes left, pretty much all of those left will definitely have a part to play. " But I think that is the exact reason why this battle did not work for me because miraculously the main characters survived. For this battle to be really meaningful then more people than Jorah and Theon needed to be sacrificed. | |||
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"I think that those complaining about the lack of main characters dying need to remember that there are still 3 episodes left, pretty much all of those left will definitely have a part to play. But I think that is the exact reason why this battle did not work for me because miraculously the main characters survived. For this battle to be really meaningful then more people than Jorah and Theon needed to be sacrificed. " I quite liked that they didn't kill off the main characters. I found it quite amusing. It's like that was the twist, everyone was fully expecting main characters to die and they didn't. | |||
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"I think that those complaining about the lack of main characters dying need to remember that there are still 3 episodes left, pretty much all of those left will definitely have a part to play. But I think that is the exact reason why this battle did not work for me because miraculously the main characters survived. For this battle to be really meaningful then more people than Jorah and Theon needed to be sacrificed. I quite liked that they didn't kill off the main characters. I found it quite amusing. It's like that was the twist, everyone was fully expecting main characters to die and they didn't. " The problem with that and yes I know it's not the books but GRRM has always said he can't stand fantasy series where the main cluster of characters never die.... | |||
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"I think that those complaining about the lack of main characters dying need to remember that there are still 3 episodes left, pretty much all of those left will definitely have a part to play. But I think that is the exact reason why this battle did not work for me because miraculously the main characters survived. For this battle to be really meaningful then more people than Jorah and Theon needed to be sacrificed. I quite liked that they didn't kill off the main characters. I found it quite amusing. It's like that was the twist, everyone was fully expecting main characters to die and they didn't. The problem with that and yes I know it's not the books but GRRM has always said he can't stand fantasy series where the main cluster of characters never die.... " I'm a big fantasy reader and do agree, I always admire an author that is willing to kill off main characters. For me GRRM went a bit too far the other way where it became almost an expectation that MCs were going to be killed. | |||
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"I think that those complaining about the lack of main characters dying need to remember that there are still 3 episodes left, pretty much all of those left will definitely have a part to play. But I think that is the exact reason why this battle did not work for me because miraculously the main characters survived. For this battle to be really meaningful then more people than Jorah and Theon needed to be sacrificed. I quite liked that they didn't kill off the main characters. I found it quite amusing. It's like that was the twist, everyone was fully expecting main characters to die and they didn't. The problem with that and yes I know it's not the books but GRRM has always said he can't stand fantasy series where the main cluster of characters never die.... I'm a big fantasy reader and do agree, I always admire an author that is willing to kill off main characters. For me GRRM went a bit too far the other way where it became almost an expectation that MCs were going to be killed. " I can see that, but think it needed a happy medium here, I think it's too far that they all came away unscathed. | |||
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"I think that those complaining about the lack of main characters dying need to remember that there are still 3 episodes left, pretty much all of those left will definitely have a part to play. But I think that is the exact reason why this battle did not work for me because miraculously the main characters survived. For this battle to be really meaningful then more people than Jorah and Theon needed to be sacrificed. I quite liked that they didn't kill off the main characters. I found it quite amusing. It's like that was the twist, everyone was fully expecting main characters to die and they didn't. The problem with that and yes I know it's not the books but GRRM has always said he can't stand fantasy series where the main cluster of characters never die.... I'm a big fantasy reader and do agree, I always admire an author that is willing to kill off main characters. For me GRRM went a bit too far the other way where it became almost an expectation that MCs were going to be killed. I can see that, but think it needed a happy medium here, I think it's too far that they all came away unscathed. " I was surprised that none of the really big names didn't die. I can only assume that they must have a big part to play in the next steps. | |||
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"I think that those complaining about the lack of main characters dying need to remember that there are still 3 episodes left, pretty much all of those left will definitely have a part to play. But I think that is the exact reason why this battle did not work for me because miraculously the main characters survived. For this battle to be really meaningful then more people than Jorah and Theon needed to be sacrificed. I quite liked that they didn't kill off the main characters. I found it quite amusing. It's like that was the twist, everyone was fully expecting main characters to die and they didn't. The problem with that and yes I know it's not the books but GRRM has always said he can't stand fantasy series where the main cluster of characters never die.... I'm a big fantasy reader and do agree, I always admire an author that is willing to kill off main characters. For me GRRM went a bit too far the other way where it became almost an expectation that MCs were going to be killed. I can see that, but think it needed a happy medium here, I think it's too far that they all came away unscathed. " Nah, I'm hoping the best is yet to come. Will Brianne side with Jamie or the Starks. Will Jamie side with the dragon queen (cant spell her any of her names) or his sister? Will Ayra kill Cersei? What about Sansa, will she follow Jon to the Throne? Will Jon even get to the throne? Will the Hound take on the Mountain? Will Bran continue to be useless? alot of questions for the main characters who lived | |||
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" Will Bran continue to be useless? " This needs to be addressed. | |||
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" Will Bran continue to be useless? This needs to be addressed. " That I definitely agree on lol.... | |||
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" Will Bran continue to be useless? This needs to be addressed. That I definitely agree on lol.... " Bran "I can see things that havent happened yet" Jon "So how do we kill the Night King?" Bran "I don't know, just stick me in the woods, sure it will all turn out"  | |||
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"Will Bran continue to be useless?" LOL, I wish bran had more of a part in this episode instead of just doing nothing. He was the key in one way, it all started with him with the Knife back in season 1 setting off all the events to come till this point and the night kings story ended with the same knife wielded by Ayra. I did like that but wish it was done in a better way in this episode. | |||
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"Will Bran continue to be useless? LOL, I wish bran had more of a part in this episode instead of just doing nothing. He was the key in one way, it all started with him with the Knife back in season 1 setting off all the events to come till this point and the night kings story ended with the same knife wielded by Ayra. I did like that but wish it was done in a better way in this episode. " Think bran was too busy worging into a rat saving the avengers in another universe. Haha yeah bran was pretty useless. | |||
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" Will Bran continue to be useless? This needs to be addressed. That I definitely agree on lol.... Bran "I can see things that havent happened yet" Jon "So how do we kill the Night King?" Bran "I don't know, just stick me in the woods, sure it will all turn out" "It was bad enough suffering through his chapters in the books. | |||
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"I think that those complaining about the lack of main characters dying need to remember that there are still 3 episodes left, pretty much all of those left will definitely have a part to play. But I think that is the exact reason why this battle did not work for me because miraculously the main characters survived. For this battle to be really meaningful then more people than Jorah and Theon needed to be sacrificed. I quite liked that they didn't kill off the main characters. I found it quite amusing. It's like that was the twist, everyone was fully expecting main characters to die and they didn't. The problem with that and yes I know it's not the books but GRRM has always said he can't stand fantasy series where the main cluster of characters never die.... I'm a big fantasy reader and do agree, I always admire an author that is willing to kill off main characters. For me GRRM went a bit too far the other way where it became almost an expectation that MCs were going to be killed. I can see that, but think it needed a happy medium here, I think it's too far that they all came away unscathed. I was surprised that none of the really big names didn't die. I can only assume that they must have a big part to play in the next steps. " That's kind of my thoughts. Personally I think that culling the main characters 'just because' and to satisfy viewers expectations is a bit daft. The remaining characters will all have some part to play yet and I'm certain that more will die (if not all) in the coming weeks. I've a bit of a theory that only Sam will survive, simply to tell the tale for future posterity. After all, he's had contact with every player so far hasn't he? | |||
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"I think that those complaining about the lack of main characters dying need to remember that there are still 3 episodes left, pretty much all of those left will definitely have a part to play. But I think that is the exact reason why this battle did not work for me because miraculously the main characters survived. For this battle to be really meaningful then more people than Jorah and Theon needed to be sacrificed. I quite liked that they didn't kill off the main characters. I found it quite amusing. It's like that was the twist, everyone was fully expecting main characters to die and they didn't. The problem with that and yes I know it's not the books but GRRM has always said he can't stand fantasy series where the main cluster of characters never die.... I'm a big fantasy reader and do agree, I always admire an author that is willing to kill off main characters. For me GRRM went a bit too far the other way where it became almost an expectation that MCs were going to be killed. I can see that, but think it needed a happy medium here, I think it's too far that they all came away unscathed. I was surprised that none of the really big names didn't die. I can only assume that they must have a big part to play in the next steps. That's kind of my thoughts. Personally I think that culling the main characters 'just because' and to satisfy viewers expectations is a bit daft. The remaining characters will all have some part to play yet and I'm certain that more will die (if not all) in the coming weeks. I've a bit of a theory that only Sam will survive, simply to tell the tale for future posterity. After all, he's had contact with every player so far hasn't he? " I’d be quite happy with that ending | |||
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"I think that those complaining about the lack of main characters dying need to remember that there are still 3 episodes left, pretty much all of those left will definitely have a part to play. But I think that is the exact reason why this battle did not work for me because miraculously the main characters survived. For this battle to be really meaningful then more people than Jorah and Theon needed to be sacrificed. I quite liked that they didn't kill off the main characters. I found it quite amusing. It's like that was the twist, everyone was fully expecting main characters to die and they didn't. The problem with that and yes I know it's not the books but GRRM has always said he can't stand fantasy series where the main cluster of characters never die.... I'm a big fantasy reader and do agree, I always admire an author that is willing to kill off main characters. For me GRRM went a bit too far the other way where it became almost an expectation that MCs were going to be killed. I can see that, but think it needed a happy medium here, I think it's too far that they all came away unscathed. I was surprised that none of the really big names didn't die. I can only assume that they must have a big part to play in the next steps. That's kind of my thoughts. Personally I think that culling the main characters 'just because' and to satisfy viewers expectations is a bit daft. The remaining characters will all have some part to play yet and I'm certain that more will die (if not all) in the coming weeks. I've a bit of a theory that only Sam will survive, simply to tell the tale for future posterity. After all, he's had contact with every player so far hasn't he? " I'd be happy if Sam survives. | |||
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"I think that those complaining about the lack of main characters dying need to remember that there are still 3 episodes left, pretty much all of those left will definitely have a part to play. But I think that is the exact reason why this battle did not work for me because miraculously the main characters survived. For this battle to be really meaningful then more people than Jorah and Theon needed to be sacrificed. I quite liked that they didn't kill off the main characters. I found it quite amusing. It's like that was the twist, everyone was fully expecting main characters to die and they didn't. The problem with that and yes I know it's not the books but GRRM has always said he can't stand fantasy series where the main cluster of characters never die.... I'm a big fantasy reader and do agree, I always admire an author that is willing to kill off main characters. For me GRRM went a bit too far the other way where it became almost an expectation that MCs were going to be killed. I can see that, but think it needed a happy medium here, I think it's too far that they all came away unscathed. I was surprised that none of the really big names didn't die. I can only assume that they must have a big part to play in the next steps. That's kind of my thoughts. Personally I think that culling the main characters 'just because' and to satisfy viewers expectations is a bit daft. The remaining characters will all have some part to play yet and I'm certain that more will die (if not all) in the coming weeks. I've a bit of a theory that only Sam will survive, simply to tell the tale for future posterity. After all, he's had contact with every player so far hasn't he? I'd be happy if Sam survives. " He wants a kick up the arse the soft twat | |||
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" I sure can... Simply this....mary sue ayra doesnt get to be the one to kill night king when its been jons fight for the past 5 seasons from when he got to the wall. Sure if writers wanted to give her a OP moment then have her kill some of his lieutenants making a opening for jon to reach the night king. Giving arya another moment of glory after getting revenge for the red wedding and possibly another glory moment killing cersie (we shall see) is just a joke. Its not just the ayra bit eiher its how the other main charecters kept getting shown being over run by the dead only for the next scene to have them somwhere else doing just fine again. For a decade its been about winter is coming, and he went out with a whimper. Not even any kind of dialoque with bran either. Sorry dude we need to agree to disagree but the episode was not good, loads of people, infact the majority of people over on reddit game of thrones page or in you tube comments section on various reviews all saying the same thing. Only a casual viewer would think of this episode as amazing episode and apply no critical thinking what so ever. The strategy of the battle too, wow where to even begin. A 10 year old could hsve come up with a better battle plan. " The thing is, and as the writers pointed out in the BTS thing, everyone expected that Jon would be the one to get the Night King, having Arya do so provided an element of surprise and the unexpected - personally I think the way it played out with Jon trying vainly to get to the Night King and leading us to wonder what was going to happen, only for Arya to pop up was one of the, many, highlights of the episode. As for Arya, getting more than one moment of glory, you could say the same about many other characters that have had more than one, Jon included, and think it made perfect sense in the context of Arya's story for it to be her. I do agree though that Arya killing Cersei would be a step too far, but don't honestly believe that would ever happen, or be considered - that will be someone else (probably Jamie or Tyrion, or possibly Sansa) of that I have no doubt. We can of course agree to disagree, like I said it's a matter of personal opinion after all, and that will always be subjective - and in fact part of holding an opinion is being able to debate it, which is all that is happening here, and something I enjoy, and am enjoying, and part of debating involves dissecting others opinions (for the benefit of the person that questioned me having the temerity to do so  ) - no disrespect or putting down of your opinion is intended or taken.
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" I sure can... Simply this....mary sue ayra doesnt get to be the one to kill night king when its been jons fight for the past 5 seasons from when he got to the wall. Sure if writers wanted to give her a OP moment then have her kill some of his lieutenants making a opening for jon to reach the night king. Giving arya another moment of glory after getting revenge for the red wedding and possibly another glory moment killing cersie (we shall see) is just a joke. Its not just the ayra bit eiher its how the other main charecters kept getting shown being over run by the dead only for the next scene to have them somwhere else doing just fine again. For a decade its been about winter is coming, and he went out with a whimper. Not even any kind of dialoque with bran either. Sorry dude we need to agree to disagree but the episode was not good, loads of people, infact the majority of people over on reddit game of thrones page or in you tube comments section on various reviews all saying the same thing. Only a casual viewer would think of this episode as amazing episode and apply no critical thinking what so ever. The strategy of the battle too, wow where to even begin. A 10 year old could hsve come up with a better battle plan. The thing is, and as the writers pointed out in the BTS thing, everyone expected that Jon would be the one to get the Night King, having Arya do so provided an element of surprise and the unexpected - personally I think the way it played out with Jon trying vainly to get to the Night King and leading us to wonder what was going to happen, only for Arya to pop up was one of the, many, highlights of the episode. As for Arya, getting more than one moment of glory, you could say the same about many other characters that have had more than one, Jon included, and think it made perfect sense in the context of Arya's story for it to be her. I do agree though that Arya killing Cersei would be a step too far, but don't honestly believe that would ever happen, or be considered - that will be someone else (probably Jamie or Tyrion, or possibly Sansa) of that I have no doubt. We can of course agree to disagree, like I said it's a matter of personal opinion after all, and that will always be subjective - and in fact part of holding an opinion is being able to debate it, which is all that is happening here, and something I enjoy, and am enjoying, and part of debating involves dissecting others opinions (for the benefit of the person that questioned me having the temerity to do so ) - no disrespect or putting down of your opinion is intended or taken.
Where I can't agree to disagree however is the suggestion that I am a "casual" viewer for believing this episode to be amazing - I've watched every episode, most of them more than once, and have formed my opinions based on having done so - nothing casual about that "Good reply. Apologise for the casual viewer comment. Seen people using it a lot on other forums for game of thrones discussion. I shouldnt have brought it here with me. | |||
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"Ok it's really nerdy of me and I am going to sound like a real geek. But imagine how cool that battle would have been if a hundred Jedi knights had shown up to help out "I don't think that would have been realistic ?????? | |||
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" Good reply. Apologise for the casual viewer comment. Seen people using it a lot on other forums for game of thrones discussion. I shouldnt have brought it here with me." Kudos on your apology fella. Part of the enjoyment for me is the fact that we all enjoy the show so much that we're debating the finer points of it. Getting passionate just shows how much it 'matters'. There's nothing casual about that! | |||
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"Good reply. Apologise for the casual viewer comment. Seen people using it a lot on other forums for game of thrones discussion. I shouldnt have brought it here with me." No apology necessary, no offence was taken, and am sure none was intended
As _ea monkey said, part of the joy of threads like this is the ability to discuss and debate the finer detail, and get clarification on points you may have missed.
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"Grey worm best be alive and so too the hound Well The Hound is - he was with Melisandre at the end before she walked off to die. He has unfinished business with his brother so they won't kill him off....yet!!" Like I said, I couldn't care who dies but the minute either of them two do I'm never watching it again. TV off, xbox on etc. | |||
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"Anyone see what happened to Gilly? "She was seen at the end standing with Varys, Tyrion etc in the crypt | |||
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"Arya getting the kill on NK was great and made perfect sense to me. Yeah, it could have been Jon Snow after a big sword fight but wouldn't that be incredibly predictable? I've seen a lot of complaining and unnecessary nitpicking about this episode online. I think some people just enjoy moaning more than they do letting themselves go and appreciating a big, crazy, messy, magical spectacle. " I agree. Sometimes I think that people complain when things on a loved programme don't go exactly as they would have wanted them to go. | |||
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"So...now that there is virtually no army left in the north .. and Cersi still has hers...what now?? Did theons sister escape with a few ships and men to sail north or do people think Cersi is now on an easy path to the throne??" Yara went back to the Iron Islands so they had somewhere to go if it all went tits up | |||
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"So...now that there is virtually no army left in the north .. and Cersi still has hers...what now?? Did theons sister escape with a few ships and men to sail north or do people think Cersi is now on an easy path to the throne??" What now, is exactly the question! The most impressive army Westeros has ever seen, didn't last 90 minutes. Of course there's the small matter of two dragons but no unsullied, no Dothraki... | |||
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"So...now that there is virtually no army left in the north .. and Cersi still has hers...what now?? Did theons sister escape with a few ships and men to sail north or do people think Cersi is now on an easy path to the throne?? Yara went back to the Iron Islands so they had somewhere to go if it all went tits up" Yara didnt exactly have much of a force left either, plus let's not forget who rules the iron islands so she may yet lose what army she does have trying to take them back. She could just fly down to Dorne and see if they want to fight for her. | |||
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"So...now that there is virtually no army left in the north .. and Cersi still has hers...what now?? Did theons sister escape with a few ships and men to sail north or do people think Cersi is now on an easy path to the throne?? What now, is exactly the question! The most impressive army Westeros has ever seen, didn't last 90 minutes. Of course there's the small matter of two dragons but no unsullied, no Dothraki... " We don't know how many Unsullied were lost though - there are then the Greyjoys and any other houses that previously refused to join the North who may now do so - then as I said further up The Vale Of Arryn - the Sands are another one, as someone said Mother Sand appears to have been forgotten in all this - were the troops of the previously richest family, the Tyrells, part of either army? I think Dany will find support | |||
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" She didn't "teleport" out of thin air - as you yourself pointed out yesterday you saw the hair of one of the whites shift as she ran past him and took a leap at the Nights King from there. We actually last saw her heading off from the room she had been chased into (where she had the conversation with Melisandre that prompted her realisation of what she needed to do) some time before then and the BTS programme I mentioned further up explained that they wanted viewers to have not seen Arya for some time to provide the "surprise" factor when she leapt out. Don't forget too that Arya would have been very familiar with Winterfell and the various routes to where she knew Bran was, which from memory includes underground passages to there. As for her ninja skills - I think that's an incredibly valid reason for how she was able to get there and be the one to deal the killer blow - after all if not why did they invest so much time showing her getting training in earlier series?? I agree completely! Arya has had a huge amount of build up to bring her to this point. I don't think it was bad writing. It makes sense with her history and training that she could sneak up so stealthily. I think Arya could possibly kill Cersei too while wearing Jaimies face, we shall see! " I think Sansa might kill her,with the knife Arya gave her. | |||
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"When brans eyes rolled back and he was the ravens, where did he go? Did the raven go to all the other houses to rally the troops " They went to the Night King to direct him to where Bran was which was the plan to get the Night King to where he could be got at | |||
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"When brans eyes rolled back and he was the ravens, where did he go? Did the raven go to all the other houses to rally the troops They went to the Night King to direct him to where Bran was which was the plan to get the Night King to where he could be got at" Did it show that on screen? I must of missed that | |||
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"When brans eyes rolled back and he was the ravens, where did he go? Did the raven go to all the other houses to rally the troops They went to the Night King to direct him to where Bran was which was the plan to get the Night King to where he could be got at Did it show that on screen? I must of missed that" No, but was the implication I took from the ravens flying directly to the Night King on the dragon | |||
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"When brans eyes rolled back and he was the ravens, where did he go? Did the raven go to all the other houses to rally the troops They went to the Night King to direct him to where Bran was which was the plan to get the Night King to where he could be got at Did it show that on screen? I must of missed that No, but was the implication I took from the ravens flying directly to the Night King on the dragon" Ahhhh the trouble with implications is they have terrible implications | |||
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"When brans eyes rolled back and he was the ravens, where did he go? Did the raven go to all the other houses to rally the troops They went to the Night King to direct him to where Bran was which was the plan to get the Night King to where he could be got at Did it show that on screen? I must of missed that No, but was the implication I took from the ravens flying directly to the Night King on the dragon Ahhhh the trouble with implications is they have terrible implications " True enough but I do think that's part of the appeal of a lot of modern drama - they credit the viewer with a level of intelligence and don't spell things out in 10ft letters like they did in the past. | |||
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"When brans eyes rolled back and he was the ravens, where did he go? Did the raven go to all the other houses to rally the troops They went to the Night King to direct him to where Bran was which was the plan to get the Night King to where he could be got at Did it show that on screen? I must of missed that No, but was the implication I took from the ravens flying directly to the Night King on the dragon Ahhhh the trouble with implications is they have terrible implications True enough but I do think that's part of the appeal of a lot of modern drama - they credit the viewer with a level of intelligence and don't spell things out in 10ft letters like they did in the past." Do you think that the NK and bran worgged and the NK is now inside brand brain and will take over his body?? | |||
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"Perhaps bran was the NK all along and the white king is bran and.... Oh this is confusing" I think that's there's more there than we know so far, quite that, I doubt. | |||
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"Well, in my opinion, that episode was shite "Pretty boring yeah, lost interest half way through | |||
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"Well, in my opinion, that episode was shite
Pretty boring yeah, lost interest half way through"Yeah last 5 secs was the only good bit | |||
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"Well, in my opinion, that episode was shite
Pretty boring yeah, lost interest half way through
Yeah last 5 secs was the only good bit "I am going to have to rewatch the last bits to find out how that ending happens...poor grey worm | |||
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"Well, in my opinion, that episode was shite
Pretty boring yeah, lost interest half way through
Yeah last 5 secs was the only good bit
I am going to have to rewatch the last bits to find out how that ending happens...poor grey worm "Yeah the poor grey never gets off lightly does he its a shame | |||
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"After the excitement of last week this one was always going to be a scene setter though - however it did provide two shocking moments with two permanent goodbyes and possibly the last we'll see of some other favourite characters, whilst also posing a lot of questions about where individual characters are heading - I liked it." I thought episode 4 was better than episode 3. Although I don't like the sudden need to throw Dany under a bus. | |||
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"i felt gutted for tormund..... i am not happy that Jamie and brienne actually went "there"..... just the platonic respect they ended up having for each other was beautiful enough...." Yep agree - and the way it played out just felt a little "awkward" too. Wonder if we'll see Tormund again? | |||
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"i felt gutted for tormund..... i am not happy that Jamie and brienne actually went "there"..... just the platonic respect they ended up having for each other was beautiful enough...." Yeah kinda spoilt the dynamic a bit between them. However we don't know if it's an important part of what's left. Perhaps Brian has to kill jammy defending sansa? | |||
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"I loved it and predict that Cersei will be defeated not on the battlefield but because of the lone assassins on their way to her: Bronn, the hound, Arya (who I see being killed by the mountain) and Jaimie (who I believe will kill his sister). I’m struggling with the throne though. Who will sit on it?" The mad King, he's not dead | |||
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"I loved it and predict that Cersei will be defeated not on the battlefield but because of the lone assassins on their way to her: Bronn, the hound, Arya (who I see being killed by the mountain) and Jaimie (who I believe will kill his sister). I’m struggling with the throne though. Who will sit on it?" Bran, but he’ll have a custom made throne | |||
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"i felt gutted for tormund..... i am not happy that Jamie and brienne actually went "there"..... just the platonic respect they ended up having for each other was beautiful enough...." Haven't watched it yet, but I think this maybe a setup for Brianne being stuck in between Jamie and the Starks | |||
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"Another poorly written episode. The writers have showed that without source material to work from they are pretty awful. And im pretty sure that dany flying her dragon way up in the sky and can see for miles in all directions would have seen a fleet coming wayyyy in advance. Ive loved this show for 7 seasons and even enjoyed the build up episodes in 1 and 2 but the last 2 episodes have been a complete mess, poorly written, no logic applied for sake of creating certain scenes. Shame really but kinda glad this is the last season now. And poor ghost too not even a hug or a pet from john to say farewell. Just a nod. In the books they are best friends and way closer. The dire wolves in the books are treated just as important as the dragons." Oh really? I didn’t know the wolves were that important in the books (though I did know they played a big part). It seems like the writers forgot about ghost for the last few seasons, and probably even forgot when making this one. The scenes he’s appeared in in s8 feel like they’ve been tacked on at the end, after realising “oh shit we haven’t included this wolf for 3 seasons - CGI him in the background and let’s shoot one extra scene where Jon gives him away” | |||
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"Another poorly written episode. The writers have showed that without source material to work from they are pretty awful. And im pretty sure that dany flying her dragon way up in the sky and can see for miles in all directions would have seen a fleet coming wayyyy in advance. Ive loved this show for 7 seasons and even enjoyed the build up episodes in 1 and 2 but the last 2 episodes have been a complete mess, poorly written, no logic applied for sake of creating certain scenes. Shame really but kinda glad this is the last season now. And poor ghost too not even a hug or a pet from john to say farewell. Just a nod. In the books they are best friends and way closer. The dire wolves in the books are treated just as important as the dragons. Oh really? I didn’t know the wolves were that important in the books (though I did know they played a big part). It seems like the writers forgot about ghost for the last few seasons, and probably even forgot when making this one. The scenes he’s appeared in in s8 feel like they’ve been tacked on at the end, after realising “oh shit we haven’t included this wolf for 3 seasons - CGI him in the background and let’s shoot one extra scene where Jon gives him away”" Pre season the writers said "after a lot of fans asking about ghost well you won't be dissapointed as we have some really great scenes in season 8 with ghost" his scenes have been non exsistant and pretty poor.
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"Another poorly written episode. The writers have showed that without source material to work from they are pretty awful. And im pretty sure that dany flying her dragon way up in the sky and can see for miles in all directions would have seen a fleet coming wayyyy in advance. Ive loved this show for 7 seasons and even enjoyed the build up episodes in 1 and 2 but the last 2 episodes have been a complete mess, poorly written, no logic applied for sake of creating certain scenes. Shame really but kinda glad this is the last season now. And poor ghost too not even a hug or a pet from john to say farewell. Just a nod. In the books they are best friends and way closer. The dire wolves in the books are treated just as important as the dragons." I'm not sure poorly written is the issue, and I enjoyed it as I said above, but I *do* think they are trying to cram far too much in because it's the last series, and some scenes feel a little "shoe horned" as a result - for instance the thing with Bronn appearing out of nowhere for a brief scene with Jamie and Tyrion that was a little too neat and compact rather than having any tension etc and then he disappears again, probably not to be seen any more. Likewise the whole Jamie/Brienne thing which I think was unnecessary and felt a little clunky. Was almost like they were trying to cram the various "goodbyes" from popular characters in (e.g Tormund, Samwell and Gilly) so it didn't feel natural. The Ghost thing is another example - the last time we saw him was heading off in the charge with the Dothraki and Jorah last week - he wasn't seen coming back, and yet here he is this week unscathed. I thought that about Dany being able to see Yuron's fleet from the air, will have to watch again, but it was hidden behind a bluff so it's possible it might not have been visible - however all Dany needed to do was circle round and come in from the rear of the fleet to take it out. | |||
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