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"When you stick labels on shit it gives people ease to get their knickers in a twist, kick up a fuss. When you don’t have any labels and people are just people it freaks out the idiots. They don’t know who’s different or why. And after all, people are just people." There's nowt so queer as folk  | |||
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"The number of identities in the LGBT+ community is why it's now widely written as LGBT+ or LGBTQ+. There are more letters, and a lot more identities, but they're not always included in the acronym. I'll also clarify while I'm commenting that the A is never for Ally. The A is for Asexual/Aromantic." Google LGBTQIA. 'Ally' is referred to by most of the search results. | |||
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"When you stick labels on shit it gives people ease to get their knickers in a twist, kick up a fuss. When you don’t have any labels and people are just people it freaks out the idiots. They don’t know who’s different or why. And after all, people are just people." Win win.  | |||
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"When you stick labels on shit it gives people ease to get their knickers in a twist, kick up a fuss. When you don’t have any labels and people are just people it freaks out the idiots. They don’t know who’s different or why. And after all, people are just people." Some people find it helpful to label themselves, others don't. A lot of LGBT+ people use the labels to help them find a community of people who have been through similar things to them. I knew I was different to my peers when I was younger and I felt like it was a bad thing until I moved into a city with a larger LGBT community where I felt safer and more confident to come out because there were other people who shared the labels I use. | |||
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"Lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, Queer or questioning, Intersex, and Asexual or allied. Should they add more letters for all the other sexualities and make it more inclusive? Or do you think adding lots more letters makes it ridiculous?" Damn I’m fu...d told my mates in the pub I was LGBT, I thought it meant Love Great Big Tits | |||
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"I do understand that, but if you build the foundations of not having the stigma in the first instance. You won’t need that. I do think it is getting easier and more accepted. My friends daughter started taking puberty blockers while she was at school, she changed schools when she changed to her male identity but has had no problems. My daughter had a couple of trans kids in her year at school. Her 2 best friends are 2 gay guys who have been there for her through all sorts of everything. They seem to hang about in a huge eclectic assortment and that’s really great to see. Sexuality never seems to be an issue with anyone. Lex" Exactly. I think the issues come with the labels to be honest! People should just get on with being what they want to be. | |||
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"I do understand that, but if you build the foundations of not having the stigma in the first instance. You won’t need that. I do think it is getting easier and more accepted. My friends daughter started taking puberty blockers while she was at school, she changed schools when she changed to her male identity but has had no problems. My daughter had a couple of trans kids in her year at school. Her 2 best friends are 2 gay guys who have been there for her through all sorts of everything. They seem to hang about in a huge eclectic assortment and that’s really great to see. Sexuality never seems to be an issue with anyone. Lex Exactly. I think the issues come with the labels to be honest! People should just get on with being what they want to be. " I agree. It seems to just make it all a joke. It makes people less inclusive. | |||
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"The problem with setting up as being inclusive is that the community then has to include all of the groups that people identify as. It could get very very long, very very fast. I agree that people should be represented, an increasingly long acronym that changes every few months perhaps isnt the way though. " 
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"I do understand that, but if you build the foundations of not having the stigma in the first instance. You won’t need that. I do think it is getting easier and more accepted. My friends daughter started taking puberty blockers while she was at school, she changed schools when she changed to her male identity but has had no problems. My daughter had a couple of trans kids in her year at school. Her 2 best friends are 2 gay guys who have been there for her through all sorts of everything. They seem to hang about in a huge eclectic assortment and that’s really great to see. Sexuality never seems to be an issue with anyone. Lex Exactly. I think the issues come with the labels to be honest! People should just get on with being what they want to be. I agree. It seems to just make it all a joke. It makes people less inclusive. " Absolutely. A friend of my daughters, her father dresses as a woman. I have no idea if he is a CD,TV etc etc. I don’t really care. She’s asked a couple of questions once then never mentioned it again. I think if people just accept things without labelling it’s easier. | |||
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"I do understand that, but if you build the foundations of not having the stigma in the first instance. You won’t need that. I do think it is getting easier and more accepted. My friends daughter started taking puberty blockers while she was at school, she changed schools when she changed to her male identity but has had no problems. My daughter had a couple of trans kids in her year at school. Her 2 best friends are 2 gay guys who have been there for her through all sorts of everything. They seem to hang about in a huge eclectic assortment and that’s really great to see. Sexuality never seems to be an issue with anyone. Lex Exactly. I think the issues come with the labels to be honest! People should just get on with being what they want to be. " I think it's the opposite to be honest, it's great that people on this site are (mostly) accepting or at least more so, however the community got together because of the constant marginalisation and violence towards rights, people and communities. It's great that things are getting better, the story about the school friends is wonderful. I would say though that this level of acceptance is because of the work and voice of the LGBTQ+ community. | |||
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"The problem with setting up as being inclusive is that the community then has to include all of the groups that people identify as. It could get very very long, very very fast. I agree that people should be represented, an increasingly long acronym that changes every few months perhaps isnt the way though.
I think sexuality is irrelevant though."That's good, not everyone thinks like you do though. | |||
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"I think given the history of gender politics the differentiation at this present moment in time is kind of inevitable, however I think reintegration is needed. When the right time for that is I don’t know. The labels are meaningful at the moment for those who need the differentiation. I hope that isn’t always the case. " Nicely put doc, I agree with you. | |||
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"I do understand that, but if you build the foundations of not having the stigma in the first instance. You won’t need that. I do think it is getting easier and more accepted. My friends daughter started taking puberty blockers while she was at school, she changed schools when she changed to her male identity but has had no problems. My daughter had a couple of trans kids in her year at school. Her 2 best friends are 2 gay guys who have been there for her through all sorts of everything. They seem to hang about in a huge eclectic assortment and that’s really great to see. Sexuality never seems to be an issue with anyone. Lex Exactly. I think the issues come with the labels to be honest! People should just get on with being what they want to be. I think it's the opposite to be honest, it's great that people on this site are (mostly) accepting or at least more so, however the community got together because of the constant marginalisation and violence towards rights, people and communities. It's great that things are getting better, the story about the school friends is wonderful. I would say though that this level of acceptance is because of the work and voice of the LGBTQ+ community. " Why though. None of us are born homophobic, racist etc. My child asked why her friend’s dad dressed like a lady and I just said sometimes men prefer to dress like that, she’s never mentioned it again, except correcting me when I say her mum and dad, and she says no mummy she has 2 mums. Ive said to her sometimes men love men and ladies love ladies and she never questioned that either. I heard one person at school saying he’s a freak, in earshot of the children. That’s where the problem lies! | |||
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"I do understand that, but if you build the foundations of not having the stigma in the first instance. You won’t need that. I do think it is getting easier and more accepted. My friends daughter started taking puberty blockers while she was at school, she changed schools when she changed to her male identity but has had no problems. My daughter had a couple of trans kids in her year at school. Her 2 best friends are 2 gay guys who have been there for her through all sorts of everything. They seem to hang about in a huge eclectic assortment and that’s really great to see. Sexuality never seems to be an issue with anyone. Lex Exactly. I think the issues come with the labels to be honest! People should just get on with being what they want to be. I think it's the opposite to be honest, it's great that people on this site are (mostly) accepting or at least more so, however the community got together because of the constant marginalisation and violence towards rights, people and communities. It's great that things are getting better, the story about the school friends is wonderful. I would say though that this level of acceptance is because of the work and voice of the LGBTQ+ community. " This kind of acceptance has nothing to do with the community really but more with upbringing, parenting, schooling. A teaching and understanding that a person is a person. They might look different, like different things, but it doesn’t make them a better or worse person than you, just a different person. And variety is always good, interesting and brings us new and interesting things we can learn everyday. | |||
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"I do understand that, but if you build the foundations of not having the stigma in the first instance. You won’t need that. I do think it is getting easier and more accepted. My friends daughter started taking puberty blockers while she was at school, she changed schools when she changed to her male identity but has had no problems. My daughter had a couple of trans kids in her year at school. Her 2 best friends are 2 gay guys who have been there for her through all sorts of everything. They seem to hang about in a huge eclectic assortment and that’s really great to see. Sexuality never seems to be an issue with anyone. Lex Exactly. I think the issues come with the labels to be honest! People should just get on with being what they want to be. I think it's the opposite to be honest, it's great that people on this site are (mostly) accepting or at least more so, however the community got together because of the constant marginalisation and violence towards rights, people and communities. It's great that things are getting better, the story about the school friends is wonderful. I would say though that this level of acceptance is because of the work and voice of the LGBTQ+ community. This kind of acceptance has nothing to do with the community really but more with upbringing, parenting, schooling. A teaching and understanding that a person is a person. They might look different, like different things, but it doesn’t make them a better or worse person than you, just a different person. And variety is always good, interesting and brings us new and interesting things we can learn everyday. " | |||
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"I do understand that, but if you build the foundations of not having the stigma in the first instance. You won’t need that. I do think it is getting easier and more accepted. My friends daughter started taking puberty blockers while she was at school, she changed schools when she changed to her male identity but has had no problems. My daughter had a couple of trans kids in her year at school. Her 2 best friends are 2 gay guys who have been there for her through all sorts of everything. They seem to hang about in a huge eclectic assortment and that’s really great to see. Sexuality never seems to be an issue with anyone. Lex Exactly. I think the issues come with the labels to be honest! People should just get on with being what they want to be. I think it's the opposite to be honest, it's great that people on this site are (mostly) accepting or at least more so, however the community got together because of the constant marginalisation and violence towards rights, people and communities. It's great that things are getting better, the story about the school friends is wonderful. I would say though that this level of acceptance is because of the work and voice of the LGBTQ+ community. This kind of acceptance has nothing to do with the community really but more with upbringing, parenting, schooling. A teaching and understanding that a person is a person. They might look different, like different things, but it doesn’t make them a better or worse person than you, just a different person. And variety is always good, interesting and brings us new and interesting things we can learn everyday. " I do believe it’s to do with upbringing and social acceptance of diversity these days. It is so so different now, and for the better. I remember being a kid and saying omg look those 2 men are holding hands. It was not something you saw regularly. My kids wouldn’t really think to say something like that now. | |||
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"I do understand that, but if you build the foundations of not having the stigma in the first instance. You won’t need that. I do think it is getting easier and more accepted. My friends daughter started taking puberty blockers while she was at school, she changed schools when she changed to her male identity but has had no problems. My daughter had a couple of trans kids in her year at school. Her 2 best friends are 2 gay guys who have been there for her through all sorts of everything. They seem to hang about in a huge eclectic assortment and that’s really great to see. Sexuality never seems to be an issue with anyone. Lex Exactly. I think the issues come with the labels to be honest! People should just get on with being what they want to be. I think it's the opposite to be honest, it's great that people on this site are (mostly) accepting or at least more so, however the community got together because of the constant marginalisation and violence towards rights, people and communities. It's great that things are getting better, the story about the school friends is wonderful. I would say though that this level of acceptance is because of the work and voice of the LGBTQ+ community. This kind of acceptance has nothing to do with the community really but more with upbringing, parenting, schooling. A teaching and understanding that a person is a person. They might look different, like different things, but it doesn’t make them a better or worse person than you, just a different person. And variety is always good, interesting and brings us new and interesting things we can learn everyday. " Yes, I'd say though that the awareness for people and schooling that children receive is directly because of the community. Don't get me wrong, I think it's fantastic that people teach their children acceptance, I do think that the level of awareness that people have though is down to the community. Not just because people decided to recognise the community spontaneously. | |||
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"Genuine question - what is the difference nowadays between lesion/gay and queer? When I was growing up they were the same thing! " That should have been lesbian, damn autocorrect | |||
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"I do understand that, but if you build the foundations of not having the stigma in the first instance. You won’t need that. I do think it is getting easier and more accepted. My friends daughter started taking puberty blockers while she was at school, she changed schools when she changed to her male identity but has had no problems. My daughter had a couple of trans kids in her year at school. Her 2 best friends are 2 gay guys who have been there for her through all sorts of everything. They seem to hang about in a huge eclectic assortment and that’s really great to see. Sexuality never seems to be an issue with anyone. Lex Exactly. I think the issues come with the labels to be honest! People should just get on with being what they want to be. I think it's the opposite to be honest, it's great that people on this site are (mostly) accepting or at least more so, however the community got together because of the constant marginalisation and violence towards rights, people and communities. It's great that things are getting better, the story about the school friends is wonderful. I would say though that this level of acceptance is because of the work and voice of the LGBTQ+ community. " I agree. The labels can be seen as strange by some people, but by others it’s a way to see that their feelings aren’t freaky as they might have been made to feel, but there are others like that. It also makes for a ha day support group - we all need to talk to people who’ve been through the same stuff as we have, that’s why Internet forums and Facebook groups is such a big thing. | |||
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"I do understand that, but if you build the foundations of not having the stigma in the first instance. You won’t need that. I do think it is getting easier and more accepted. My friends daughter started taking puberty blockers while she was at school, she changed schools when she changed to her male identity but has had no problems. My daughter had a couple of trans kids in her year at school. Her 2 best friends are 2 gay guys who have been there for her through all sorts of everything. They seem to hang about in a huge eclectic assortment and that’s really great to see. Sexuality never seems to be an issue with anyone. Lex Exactly. I think the issues come with the labels to be honest! People should just get on with being what they want to be. I agree. It seems to just make it all a joke. It makes people less inclusive. Absolutely. A friend of my daughters, her father dresses as a woman. I have no idea if he is a CD,TV etc etc. I don’t really care. She’s asked a couple of questions once then never mentioned it again. I think if people just accept things without labelling it’s easier. " Kids are brilliant. It's adults who make them homophobic/ etc, they aren't born that way. | |||
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"I do understand that, but if you build the foundations of not having the stigma in the first instance. You won’t need that. I do think it is getting easier and more accepted. My friends daughter started taking puberty blockers while she was at school, she changed schools when she changed to her male identity but has had no problems. My daughter had a couple of trans kids in her year at school. Her 2 best friends are 2 gay guys who have been there for her through all sorts of everything. They seem to hang about in a huge eclectic assortment and that’s really great to see. Sexuality never seems to be an issue with anyone. Lex Exactly. I think the issues come with the labels to be honest! People should just get on with being what they want to be. I agree. It seems to just make it all a joke. It makes people less inclusive. Absolutely. A friend of my daughters, her father dresses as a woman. I have no idea if he is a CD,TV etc etc. I don’t really care. She’s asked a couple of questions once then never mentioned it again. I think if people just accept things without labelling it’s easier. Kids are brilliant. It's adults who make them homophobic/ etc, they aren't born that way. " Damn right it is | |||
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"I do understand that, but if you build the foundations of not having the stigma in the first instance. You won’t need that. I do think it is getting easier and more accepted. My friends daughter started taking puberty blockers while she was at school, she changed schools when she changed to her male identity but has had no problems. My daughter had a couple of trans kids in her year at school. Her 2 best friends are 2 gay guys who have been there for her through all sorts of everything. They seem to hang about in a huge eclectic assortment and that’s really great to see. Sexuality never seems to be an issue with anyone. Lex Exactly. I think the issues come with the labels to be honest! People should just get on with being what they want to be. I think it's the opposite to be honest, it's great that people on this site are (mostly) accepting or at least more so, however the community got together because of the constant marginalisation and violence towards rights, people and communities. It's great that things are getting better, the story about the school friends is wonderful. I would say though that this level of acceptance is because of the work and voice of the LGBTQ+ community. I agree. The labels can be seen as strange by some people, but by others it’s a way to see that their feelings aren’t freaky as they might have been made to feel, but there are others like that. It also makes for a ha day support group - we all need to talk to people who’ve been through the same stuff as we have, that’s why Internet forums and Facebook groups is such a big thing." Good point. | |||
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"When you stick labels on shit it gives people ease to get their knickers in a twist, kick up a fuss. When you don’t have any labels and people are just people it freaks out the idiots. They don’t know who’s different or why. And after all, people are just people." This | |||
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"Genuine question - what is the difference nowadays between lesion/gay and queer? When I was growing up they were the same thing! " No difference or big difference - depends on how the person feels themself. | |||
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"I do understand that, but if you build the foundations of not having the stigma in the first instance. You won’t need that. I do think it is getting easier and more accepted. My friends daughter started taking puberty blockers while she was at school, she changed schools when she changed to her male identity but has had no problems. My daughter had a couple of trans kids in her year at school. Her 2 best friends are 2 gay guys who have been there for her through all sorts of everything. They seem to hang about in a huge eclectic assortment and that’s really great to see. Sexuality never seems to be an issue with anyone. Lex Exactly. I think the issues come with the labels to be honest! People should just get on with being what they want to be. I think it's the opposite to be honest, it's great that people on this site are (mostly) accepting or at least more so, however the community got together because of the constant marginalisation and violence towards rights, people and communities. It's great that things are getting better, the story about the school friends is wonderful. I would say though that this level of acceptance is because of the work and voice of the LGBTQ+ community. This kind of acceptance has nothing to do with the community really but more with upbringing, parenting, schooling. A teaching and understanding that a person is a person. They might look different, like different things, but it doesn’t make them a better or worse person than you, just a different person. And variety is always good, interesting and brings us new and interesting things we can learn everyday. Yes, I'd say though that the awareness for people and schooling that children receive is directly because of the community. Don't get me wrong, I think it's fantastic that people teach their children acceptance, I do think that the level of awareness that people have though is down to the community. Not just because people decided to recognise the community spontaneously. " What do you mean by community? Locals, where they live, school, work etc? Or the LGBT community? | |||
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"how about a people community. plain and simple. no labels" That'd be fine if people weren't full of hate, it's easy to say this when you're the default straight man and don't see the issues or reasons why a specific group/community is needed. You may be fine with gay/bi/les/trans, etc people but a lot of straight people, especially men, are not. | |||
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"how about a people community. plain and simple. no labels That'd be fine if people weren't full of hate, it's easy to say this when you're the default straight man and don't see the issues or reasons why a specific group/community is needed. You may be fine with gay/bi/les/trans, etc people but a lot of straight people, especially men, are not." I certainly don’t have any problems with people associating with people they identify with in groups socially. I’m rather active within my own kink community, so I’m well aware of those benefits. But I don’t think small communities being a safe haven change people’s perspectives. Even more so when they’re hyped up as being something different to the norm. Proper education, acceptance and tolerance is what should be instilled as values in our children. Anyway rant over and it’s not even Thursday | |||
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" Proper education, acceptance and tolerance is what should be instilled as values in our children." Exactly, no one is disputing, the younger generation are showing that they're more accepting and open to other sexualities and just see it as a normal thing. But there's still plenty of people around who would go as far as killing someone just because they're gay/trans, and as long as that culture remains (thankfully shrinking) then these groups still need safe spaces just as a way of at least having somewhere they can go without feeling judged or wrong. | |||
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" I certainly don’t have any problems with people associating with people they identify with in groups socially. I’m rather active within my own kink community, so I’m well aware of those benefits. But I don’t think small communities being a safe haven change people’s perspectives. Even more so when they’re hyped up as being something different to the norm. Proper education, acceptance and tolerance is what should be instilled as values in our children. Anyway rant over and it’s not even Thursday " I agree with you on the points of education, acceptance and tolerance. This is exactly what the LGBTQ+ community is fighting for and advocating, it's through them being highly visible that change is being affected. I don't think that it's a case of being 'hyped up' and I certainly don't think that any person who is lesbian, gay, bi or anything else sees themselves as being anything other than 'normal'. | |||
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" I agree with you on the points of education, acceptance and tolerance. This is exactly what the LGBTQ+ community is fighting for and advocating, it's through them being highly visible that change is being affected. I don't think that it's a case of being 'hyped up' and I certainly don't think that any person who is lesbian, gay, bi or anything else sees themselves as being anything other than 'normal'." It’s the high visibility that I disagree with. That’s what makes one group of people stand out as different from another. It is all obviously a matter of opinions of course. | |||
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"It’s the high visibility that I disagree with. That’s what makes one group of people stand out as different from another. It is all obviously a matter of opinions of course." But again, viewing it from the default straight stance. In society straight is the common pushed standard, we act surprised to find out people are gay, it's a huge media thing when a celebrity is outed, etc. Growing up in this kind of culture makes those who are different feel bad and hide themselves, develop issues, etc. So the LGBT+ community being bright and loud is to signal that it's OK, we do exist, you're not on your own, etc. | |||
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"It’s the high visibility that I disagree with. That’s what makes one group of people stand out as different from another. It is all obviously a matter of opinions of course. But again, viewing it from the default straight stance. In society straight is the common pushed standard, we act surprised to find out people are gay, it's a huge media thing when a celebrity is outed, etc. Growing up in this kind of culture makes those who are different feel bad and hide themselves, develop issues, etc. So the LGBT+ community being bright and loud is to signal that it's OK, we do exist, you're not on your own, etc. " I was thinking about this earlier. I wonder how many people are 100% 'straight'. Perhaps straight people are the minority. | |||
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"I think it’s a hugely positive group that’s helped awareness especially for the transgender community They are just trying to include everyone so you can’t really knock the name or future name, why does the name matter so much to people that are not represented by this group, it is just a name at the end of the day The heterosexual world needs this and more vocal groups as we can’t have our children growing up feeling alianated excluded or shamed if they don’t fit the so called norm " I agree it's (mostly) positive. I do know some gay people who hate the straights so that's not good. I was asking the OP because I think having too many letters makes it seem ridiculous and that does more harm than good, when looking from the outside in. | |||
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"It’s the high visibility that I disagree with. That’s what makes one group of people stand out as different from another. It is all obviously a matter of opinions of course. But again, viewing it from the default straight stance. In society straight is the common pushed standard, we act surprised to find out people are gay, it's a huge media thing when a celebrity is outed, etc. Growing up in this kind of culture makes those who are different feel bad and hide themselves, develop issues, etc. So the LGBT+ community being bright and loud is to signal that it's OK, we do exist, you're not on your own, etc. I was thinking about this earlier. I wonder how many people are 100% 'straight'. Perhaps straight people are the minority. " That's an interesting question, without societal pressure though, we'll never really know. | |||
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"It’s the high visibility that I disagree with. That’s what makes one group of people stand out as different from another. It is all obviously a matter of opinions of course. But again, viewing it from the default straight stance. In society straight is the common pushed standard, we act surprised to find out people are gay, it's a huge media thing when a celebrity is outed, etc. Growing up in this kind of culture makes those who are different feel bad and hide themselves, develop issues, etc. So the LGBT+ community being bright and loud is to signal that it's OK, we do exist, you're not on your own, etc. " Do you really act surprised if someone comes out these days. You’re missing the point. The more of a big deal you make of something, the more you’re making it appear as “different and not normal” | |||
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"Do you really act surprised if someone comes out these days. You’re missing the point. The more of a big deal you make of something, the more you’re making it appear as “different and not normal”" Asking us? No of course not, but the media in general and society say otherwise, and no we're not missing the point, we just disagree on how important representation is. You view it as "making a big deal" where we see it as making themselves known that they're normal and that we exist. | |||
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"Do you really act surprised if someone comes out these days. You’re missing the point. The more of a big deal you make of something, the more you’re making it appear as “different and not normal” Asking us? No of course not, but the media in general and society say otherwise, and no we're not missing the point, we just disagree on how important representation is. You view it as "making a big deal" where we see it as making themselves known that they're normal and that we exist. " Ok then, so what part of “making a big deal”, demonstrates to people that we’re “normal” | |||
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"The B in LGBT states that there are only two genders " I'm bisexual and no it doesn't. To me it means I'm attracted to the polar ends of the spectrum of gender. I.e. feminine women and masculine men. That can include trans women and trans men. Also just because I'm not attracted to something it doesn't mean it doesn't exist so even if bisexual people were only attached to two genders it would be like saying women don't exist to gay men. | |||
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"The B in LGBT states that there are only two genders " T has pretty much no connection with LGB, just jumping on for the train ride.. | |||
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"The B in LGBT states that there are only two genders I'm bisexual and no it doesn't. To me it means I'm attracted to the polar ends of the spectrum of gender. I.e. feminine women and masculine men. That can include trans women and trans men. Also just because I'm not attracted to something it doesn't mean it doesn't exist so even if bisexual people were only attached to two genders it would be like saying women don't exist to gay men." That's fair enough, people have all sorts of sexual orientation. Still only two genders though. | |||
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"Can I just say a lot of gay people find all these letters ridiculous and cringe worthy, don’t know where they came from and no one asked. I support trans to be themselves but all these new gender letters have nothing to do with being gay. Sexuality and gender are two different things. " Yes and no. If you're neither male or female then even if you're only attracted to one gender then you're technically neither heterosexual or homosexual so they are linked. If you change gender them of course you'll be unlikely to suddenly be attracted to different people but if you become the same gender you are attracted to then you also become homosexual/queer. | |||
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"The B in LGBT states that there are only two genders I'm bisexual and no it doesn't. To me it means I'm attracted to the polar ends of the spectrum of gender. I.e. feminine women and masculine men. That can include trans women and trans men. Also just because I'm not attracted to something it doesn't mean it doesn't exist so even if bisexual people were only attached to two genders it would be like saying women don't exist to gay men." 100% agree here. Its about who you are attracted to, not who someone else thinks you should be attracted to.
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"It's getting over complicated You either like cock,fanny or both" That’s oversimplifying. Some people like cocks but only when they’re attached to someone who is otherwise stereotypically feminine. "If theres so many why not reverse it and say NS none strait" Because some trans folk are straight. The relationship between gender and sexuality is not a straightforward thing. | |||
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"Still only two genders though. According to?" Millions of years of evolution. Every now and again a true hermaphrodite is born and there are a couple of exceptions in the animal world, but apart from that it's male, or female. | |||
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"Still only two genders though. According to? Millions of years of evolution. Every now and again a true hermaphrodite is born and there are a couple of exceptions in the animal world, but apart from that it's male, or female. " Being intersex is actually globally about as common as being ginger, more common than having cystic fibrosis and more common than being Jewish. | |||
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"Millions of years of evolution. Every now and again a true hermaphrodite is born and there are a couple of exceptions in the animal world, but apart from that it's male, or female. " No, that’s just according to you. As one biologist I recently listened to on this topic put it; the world of science can’t even agree what defines species, what on Earth makes people think we’ve got gender nailed down? The sooner you learn that the basics you were taught in school were an oversimplification, the better. | |||
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"Still only two genders though. According to? Millions of years of evolution. Every now and again a true hermaphrodite is born and there are a couple of exceptions in the animal world, but apart from that it's male, or female. " Let me put it like this to you. If you go to the doctor complaining of a pain in your knee but there's no explanation as to why it's there, you would expect people to take you seriously based upon your own experience of your body. You wouldn't then expect people to start telling you that it's not real based upon what they learnt in primary school. | |||
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"Still only two genders though. According to? Millions of years of evolution. Every now and again a true hermaphrodite is born and there are a couple of exceptions in the animal world, but apart from that it's male, or female. Let me put it like this to you. If you go to the doctor complaining of a pain in your knee but there's no explanation as to why it's there, you would expect people to take you seriously based upon your own experience of your body. You wouldn't then expect people to start telling you that it's not real based upon what they learnt in primary school. " So biologically are we not born male or female? (With the rare exception of hermaphrodites of course)? | |||
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"This kind of acceptance has nothing to do with the community really but more with upbringing, parenting, schooling. A teaching and understanding that a person is a person. They might look different, like different things, but it doesn’t make them a better or worse person than you, just a different person. And variety is always good, interesting and brings us new and interesting things we can learn everyday. " My youngest just turned 11 recently and is aware his 21 yr old brother is bisexual and what that means. Occasionally sexuality crops up in conversation and I am as honest as I can be for his age/development. He came home from school and said Mum, I don't want to appear homophobic but I think our dance teacher is gay. I said why? He said just some of his actions, I said well he may well be or he may be bisexual or something entirely different. He said ok and he hadn't talked about it with friends just thought he would mention it to me. i have also touched upon the subject of cross-dressers as I want him to be aware that people are all different and it's their actions towards others that makes them nice or not - not what they wear or who they love. | |||
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"Still only two genders though. According to? Millions of years of evolution. Every now and again a true hermaphrodite is born and there are a couple of exceptions in the animal world, but apart from that it's male, or female. Let me put it like this to you. If you go to the doctor complaining of a pain in your knee but there's no explanation as to why it's there, you would expect people to take you seriously based upon your own experience of your body. You wouldn't then expect people to start telling you that it's not real based upon what they learnt in primary school. So biologically are we not born male or female? (With the rare exception of hermaphrodites of course)? " The current term used is intersex and it's about as common as being ginger. Either way biological sex and gender aren't the same thing. | |||
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"Still only two genders though. According to? Millions of years of evolution. Every now and again a true hermaphrodite is born and there are a couple of exceptions in the animal world, but apart from that it's male, or female. Let me put it like this to you. If you go to the doctor complaining of a pain in your knee but there's no explanation as to why it's there, you would expect people to take you seriously based upon your own experience of your body. You wouldn't then expect people to start telling you that it's not real based upon what they learnt in primary school. So biologically are we not born male or female? (With the rare exception of hermaphrodites of course)? " Gender is far more than just that. How would you feel if you were told how you felt within your own body didn't matter, simply because it doesn't fit with someone else's idea of the world? | |||
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"Still only two genders though. According to? Millions of years of evolution. Every now and again a true hermaphrodite is born and there are a couple of exceptions in the animal world, but apart from that it's male, or female. Let me put it like this to you. If you go to the doctor complaining of a pain in your knee but there's no explanation as to why it's there, you would expect people to take you seriously based upon your own experience of your body. You wouldn't then expect people to start telling you that it's not real based upon what they learnt in primary school. So biologically are we not born male or female? (With the rare exception of hermaphrodites of course)? The current term used is intersex and it's about as common as being ginger. Either way biological sex and gender aren't the same thing." Is it. Didn’t know. Just used the word as it was used above. Is it really that common, are you sure? I’ll leave you to it. Way out of my depth now here then | |||
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"Still only two genders though. According to? Millions of years of evolution. Every now and again a true hermaphrodite is born and there are a couple of exceptions in the animal world, but apart from that it's male, or female. Let me put it like this to you. If you go to the doctor complaining of a pain in your knee but there's no explanation as to why it's there, you would expect people to take you seriously based upon your own experience of your body. You wouldn't then expect people to start telling you that it's not real based upon what they learnt in primary school. So biologically are we not born male or female? (With the rare exception of hermaphrodites of course)? The current term used is intersex and it's about as common as being ginger. Either way biological sex and gender aren't the same thing. Is it. Didn’t know. Just used the word as it was used above. Is it really that common, are you sure? I’ll leave you to it. Way out of my depth now here then "I think that this is a key point, people don't know unless they're shown or told. That's part of what LGBTQ+ is shouting about. | |||
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"Still only two genders though. According to? Millions of years of evolution. Every now and again a true hermaphrodite is born and there are a couple of exceptions in the animal world, but apart from that it's male, or female. Let me put it like this to you. If you go to the doctor complaining of a pain in your knee but there's no explanation as to why it's there, you would expect people to take you seriously based upon your own experience of your body. You wouldn't then expect people to start telling you that it's not real based upon what they learnt in primary school. So biologically are we not born male or female? (With the rare exception of hermaphrodites of course)? The current term used is intersex and it's about as common as being ginger. Either way biological sex and gender aren't the same thing. Is it. Didn’t know. Just used the word as it was used above. Is it really that common, are you sure? I’ll leave you to it. Way out of my depth now here then "It really is. And there's loads of variations of it. As an example it's entirely possible for a woman with female genitalia and a uterus to find out she is in fact biologically male. Sometimes people only find out because they can't have children. | |||
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"Still only two genders though. According to? Millions of years of evolution. Every now and again a true hermaphrodite is born and there are a couple of exceptions in the animal world, but apart from that it's male, or female. Let me put it like this to you. If you go to the doctor complaining of a pain in your knee but there's no explanation as to why it's there, you would expect people to take you seriously based upon your own experience of your body. You wouldn't then expect people to start telling you that it's not real based upon what they learnt in primary school. So biologically are we not born male or female? (With the rare exception of hermaphrodites of course)? The current term used is intersex and it's about as common as being ginger. Either way biological sex and gender aren't the same thing. Is it. Didn’t know. Just used the word as it was used above. Is it really that common, are you sure? I’ll leave you to it. Way out of my depth now here then
I think that this is a key point, people don't know unless they're shown or told. That's part of what LGBTQ+ is shouting about. "I’ve made my comments above re the original topic. If we’re getting on to born male or female etc. That’s another subject which I won’t get involved in | |||
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"Still only two genders though. According to? Millions of years of evolution. Every now and again a true hermaphrodite is born and there are a couple of exceptions in the animal world, but apart from that it's male, or female. Let me put it like this to you. If you go to the doctor complaining of a pain in your knee but there's no explanation as to why it's there, you would expect people to take you seriously based upon your own experience of your body. You wouldn't then expect people to start telling you that it's not real based upon what they learnt in primary school. So biologically are we not born male or female? (With the rare exception of hermaphrodites of course)? The current term used is intersex and it's about as common as being ginger. Either way biological sex and gender aren't the same thing. Is it. Didn’t know. Just used the word as it was used above. Is it really that common, are you sure? I’ll leave you to it. Way out of my depth now here then
It really is. And there's loads of variations of it. As an example it's entirely possible for a woman with female genitalia and a uterus to find out she is in fact biologically male. Sometimes people only find out because they can't have children."Did her cock remain hidden for a while?  | |||
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"Still only two genders though. According to? Millions of years of evolution. Every now and again a true hermaphrodite is born and there are a couple of exceptions in the animal world, but apart from that it's male, or female. Let me put it like this to you. If you go to the doctor complaining of a pain in your knee but there's no explanation as to why it's there, you would expect people to take you seriously based upon your own experience of your body. You wouldn't then expect people to start telling you that it's not real based upon what they learnt in primary school. So biologically are we not born male or female? (With the rare exception of hermaphrodites of course)? The current term used is intersex and it's about as common as being ginger. Either way biological sex and gender aren't the same thing. Is it. Didn’t know. Just used the word as it was used above. Is it really that common, are you sure? I’ll leave you to it. Way out of my depth now here then
It really is. And there's loads of variations of it. As an example it's entirely possible for a woman with female genitalia and a uterus to find out she is in fact biologically male. Sometimes people only find out because they can't have children.
Did her cock remain hidden for a while? "People with Swyer syndrome (what I'm referring to) don't have a cock. They have a vagina and a uterus but they are genetically male. In every other way they are female except for non-functioning ovaries. As most of us aren't in the habit of having our genetics checked to see if we are genetically the sex we think we are, it's entirely possible not to discover you have this condition until you try to get pregnant. | |||
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"Younger people don’t seem to need all the labels in the same way as adults do. Maybe they’re growing up with diversity and are perhaps more accepting of the differences. " | |||
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"Lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, Queer or questioning, Intersex, and Asexual or allied. Should they add more letters for all the other sexualities and make it more inclusive? Or do you think adding lots more letters makes it ridiculous?" try using the term person,people,human being that should do | |||
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"Lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, Queer or questioning, Intersex, and Asexual or allied. Should they add more letters for all the other sexualities and make it more inclusive? Or do you think adding lots more letters makes it ridiculous? try using the term person,people,human being that should do" Exactly!! All this stuff gets on my nerves to be honest. Poxy labels everywhere. | |||
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"Lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, Queer or questioning, Intersex, and Asexual or allied. Should they add more letters for all the other sexualities and make it more inclusive? Or do you think adding lots more letters makes it ridiculous? try using the term person,people,human being that should do Exactly!! All this stuff gets on my nerves to be honest. Poxy labels everywhere. " Until you're trying to find something that matches what you're looking for, then labels are quite handy. I'm not saying that people should label everything but in terms of identifying and understanding ourselves, sometimes it's desperately relevant to find others the same. | |||
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" Exactly!! All this stuff gets on my nerves to be honest. Poxy labels everywhere. " The irony that you're on a website that uses labels to match people. | |||
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"Poxy labels everywhere. Yeah. How dare we have words to describe the fascinating array of disparate human experiences." How dare you?? What’s that supposed to mean. Do what you like. Plenty people love a label. Just giving my opinion and that is that i think there’s too many and it’s getting ridiculous. How dare I not agree | |||
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" Exactly!! All this stuff gets on my nerves to be honest. Poxy labels everywhere. The irony that you're on a website that uses labels to match people. "Yeah 3. Not 50! | |||
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"Poxy labels everywhere. Yeah. How dare we have words to describe the fascinating array of disparate human experiences. How dare you?? What’s that supposed to mean. Do what you like. Plenty people love a label. Just giving my opinion and that is that i think there’s too many and it’s getting ridiculous. How dare I not agree " How many words do the Inuit have for snow? If people want to call themselves something and it helps them to identify how their feeling, does it matter to you? | |||
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"Poxy labels everywhere. Yeah. How dare we have words to describe the fascinating array of disparate human experiences. How dare you?? What’s that supposed to mean. Do what you like. Plenty people love a label. Just giving my opinion and that is that i think there’s too many and it’s getting ridiculous. How dare I not agree How many words do the Inuit have for snow? If people want to call themselves something and it helps them to identify how their feeling, does it matter to you? " Not at all. Doesn’t affect me one bit | |||
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"Poxy labels everywhere. Yeah. How dare we have words to describe the fascinating array of disparate human experiences. How dare you?? What’s that supposed to mean. Do what you like. Plenty people love a label. Just giving my opinion and that is that i think there’s too many and it’s getting ridiculous. How dare I not agree How many words do the Inuit have for snow? If people want to call themselves something and it helps them to identify how their feeling, does it matter to you? Not at all. Doesn’t affect me one bit " Then how is it ridiculous? What's poxy about them? | |||
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"Poxy labels everywhere. Yeah. How dare we have words to describe the fascinating array of disparate human experiences. How dare you?? What’s that supposed to mean. Do what you like. Plenty people love a label. Just giving my opinion and that is that i think there’s too many and it’s getting ridiculous. How dare I not agree How many words do the Inuit have for snow? If people want to call themselves something and it helps them to identify how their feeling, does it matter to you? " I call myself Mikki | |||
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"Poxy labels everywhere. Yeah. How dare we have words to describe the fascinating array of disparate human experiences. How dare you?? What’s that supposed to mean. Do what you like. Plenty people love a label. Just giving my opinion and that is that i think there’s too many and it’s getting ridiculous. How dare I not agree How many words do the Inuit have for snow? If people want to call themselves something and it helps them to identify how their feeling, does it matter to you? Not at all. Doesn’t affect me one bit Then how is it ridiculous? What's poxy about them? " I personally think there’s there’s too many and it’s getting ridiculous. You and I are never going to agree on anything anyway as I think we know by now. No it doesn’t matter to me one bit what people do or call themselves. However i will still give my opinion, as will you. | |||
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"Poxy labels everywhere. Yeah. How dare we have words to describe the fascinating array of disparate human experiences. How dare you?? What’s that supposed to mean. Do what you like. Plenty people love a label. Just giving my opinion and that is that i think there’s too many and it’s getting ridiculous. How dare I not agree How many words do the Inuit have for snow? If people want to call themselves something and it helps them to identify how their feeling, does it matter to you? I call myself Mikki "If only more people were like you. I like you and you speak sense. This place honestly does my brain in sometimes. | |||
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"Still only two genders though. According to? Millions of years of evolution. Every now and again a true hermaphrodite is born and there are a couple of exceptions in the animal world, but apart from that it's male, or female. Let me put it like this to you. If you go to the doctor complaining of a pain in your knee but there's no explanation as to why it's there, you would expect people to take you seriously based upon your own experience of your body. You wouldn't then expect people to start telling you that it's not real based upon what they learnt in primary school. So biologically are we not born male or female? (With the rare exception of hermaphrodites of course)? The current term used is intersex and it's about as common as being ginger. Either way biological sex and gender aren't the same thing. Is it. Didn’t know. Just used the word as it was used above. Is it really that common, are you sure? I’ll leave you to it. Way out of my depth now here then
It really is. And there's loads of variations of it. As an example it's entirely possible for a woman with female genitalia and a uterus to find out she is in fact biologically male. Sometimes people only find out because they can't have children.
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"Lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, Queer or questioning, Intersex, and Asexual or allied. Should they add more letters for all the other sexualities and make it more inclusive? Or do you think adding lots more letters makes it ridiculous? try using the term person,people,human being that should do" I agree. | |||
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"Poxy labels everywhere. Yeah. How dare we have words to describe the fascinating array of disparate human experiences. How dare you?? What’s that supposed to mean. Do what you like. Plenty people love a label. Just giving my opinion and that is that i think there’s too many and it’s getting ridiculous. How dare I not agree How many words do the Inuit have for snow? If people want to call themselves something and it helps them to identify how their feeling, does it matter to you? Not at all. Doesn’t affect me one bit Then how is it ridiculous? What's poxy about them? I personally think there’s there’s too many and it’s getting ridiculous. You and I are never going to agree on anything anyway as I think we know by now. No it doesn’t matter to me one bit what people do or call themselves. However i will still give my opinion, as will you. " If it doesn't matter to you then why would your opinion matter? Personally I do care, I care that these people are able to find the communities and like minded others that can and will support them. It takes little to no effort to recognise that for some these 'poxy' labels are important and accepting that their experiences do matter and are valid. It's no inconvenience to you just how many there are. | |||
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"Poxy labels everywhere. Yeah. How dare we have words to describe the fascinating array of disparate human experiences. How dare you?? What’s that supposed to mean. Do what you like. Plenty people love a label. Just giving my opinion and that is that i think there’s too many and it’s getting ridiculous. How dare I not agree How many words do the Inuit have for snow? If people want to call themselves something and it helps them to identify how their feeling, does it matter to you? Not at all. Doesn’t affect me one bit Then how is it ridiculous? What's poxy about them? I personally think there’s there’s too many and it’s getting ridiculous. You and I are never going to agree on anything anyway as I think we know by now. No it doesn’t matter to me one bit what people do or call themselves. However i will still give my opinion, as will you. If it doesn't matter to you then why would your opinion matter? Personally I do care, I care that these people are able to find the communities and like minded others that can and will support them. It takes little to no effort to recognise that for some these 'poxy' labels are important and accepting that their experiences do matter and are valid. It's no inconvenience to you just how many there are. " | |||
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"Poxy labels everywhere. Yeah. How dare we have words to describe the fascinating array of disparate human experiences. How dare you?? What’s that supposed to mean. Do what you like. Plenty people love a label. Just giving my opinion and that is that i think there’s too many and it’s getting ridiculous. How dare I not agree " Why do the narrow-minded and ignorant think that pointing out that something is their opinion somehow makes it beyond rebuke? You are just giving your opinion, sure, but your opinion is nasty. Words like ‘poxy’ and ‘ridiculous’ demonstrate that you are not at all welcoming or respectful of other people’s experiences. We’re increasingly finding that there are not -enough- labels to cater for everyone’s lives experience. You might be fine, the labels that suit you exist and are catered to. By saying there are too many labels you are saying that other people are less deserving than you are to have words that fully describe them. That’s all labels are, just words to describe something. If you don’t want the word for it, by extension you don’t want to hear any reference to that community. You’d rather scrub their existence from your experience of life. Maybe think about what you’re saying a little more. | |||
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"Poxy labels everywhere. Yeah. How dare we have words to describe the fascinating array of disparate human experiences. How dare you?? What’s that supposed to mean. Do what you like. Plenty people love a label. Just giving my opinion and that is that i think there’s too many and it’s getting ridiculous. How dare I not agree Why do the narrow-minded and ignorant think that pointing out that something is their opinion somehow makes it beyond rebuke? You are just giving your opinion, sure, but your opinion is nasty. Words like ‘poxy’ and ‘ridiculous’ demonstrate that you are not at all welcoming or respectful of other people’s experiences. We’re increasingly finding that there are not -enough- labels to cater for everyone’s lives experience. You might be fine, the labels that suit you exist and are catered to. By saying there are too many labels you are saying that other people are less deserving than you are to have words that fully describe them. That’s all labels are, just words to describe something. If you don’t want the word for it, by extension you don’t want to hear any reference to that community. You’d rather scrub their existence from your experience of life. Maybe think about what you’re saying a little more." From looking through the list of 'genders' and 'identities' - there really is no denying that it is totally ridiculous Each to their own though | |||
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"From looking through the list of 'genders' and 'identities' - there really is no denying that it is totally ridiculous Each to their own though " Check your straight white male privilege. | |||
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"From looking through the list of 'genders' and 'identities' - there really is no denying that it is totally ridiculous Each to their own though Check your straight white male privilege." Hope you're joking | |||
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"noone going to tell me what allied meansIt just means allied. No alternative definition." well ive just been told its straight people who support lbgt | |||
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"noone going to tell me what allied means" Someone who isn't LGBTQ+ but supports their rights. | |||
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"Poxy labels everywhere. Yeah. How dare we have words to describe the fascinating array of disparate human experiences. How dare you?? What’s that supposed to mean. Do what you like. Plenty people love a label. Just giving my opinion and that is that i think there’s too many and it’s getting ridiculous. How dare I not agree Why do the narrow-minded and ignorant think that pointing out that something is their opinion somehow makes it beyond rebuke? You are just giving your opinion, sure, but your opinion is nasty. Words like ‘poxy’ and ‘ridiculous’ demonstrate that you are not at all welcoming or respectful of other people’s experiences. We’re increasingly finding that there are not -enough- labels to cater for everyone’s lives experience. You might be fine, the labels that suit you exist and are catered to. By saying there are too many labels you are saying that other people are less deserving than you are to have words that fully describe them. That’s all labels are, just words to describe something. If you don’t want the word for it, by extension you don’t want to hear any reference to that community. You’d rather scrub their existence from your experience of life. Maybe think about what you’re saying a little more." "Poxy labels everywhere. Yeah. How dare we have words to describe the fascinating array of disparate human experiences. How dare you?? What’s that supposed to mean. Do what you like. Plenty people love a label. Just giving my opinion and that is that i think there’s too many and it’s getting ridiculous. How dare I not agree Why do the narrow-minded and ignorant think that pointing out that something is their opinion somehow makes it beyond rebuke? You are just giving your opinion, sure, but your opinion is nasty. Words like ‘poxy’ and ‘ridiculous’ demonstrate that you are not at all welcoming or respectful of other people’s experiences. We’re increasingly finding that there are not -enough- labels to cater for everyone’s lives experience. You might be fine, the labels that suit you exist and are catered to. By saying there are too many labels you are saying that other people are less deserving than you are to have words that fully describe them. That’s all labels are, just words to describe something. If you don’t want the word for it, by extension you don’t want to hear any reference to that community. You’d rather scrub their existence from your experience of life. Maybe think about what you’re saying a little more." Just wow!!! Me? Narrow minded and ignorant! You don’t know me at all, there are no labels that suit me at all. I see people as people I don’t feel the need to label. You have just decided on your comment what I am saying and what I’m thinking. I don’t want any reference to that community? I’d rather scrub their existence from my life? How dare you! Conversation finished. I shall find some adults to converse with. Unbelievable! I’m actually so shocked at this I’m laughing. | |||
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"noone going to tell me what allied means Someone who isn't LGBTQ+ but supports their rights. " thanks. thats what i was just told | |||
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"noone going to tell me what allied meansIt just means allied. No alternative definition.well ive just been told its straight people who support lbgt" Yes. Which is what allies do. | |||
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"From looking through the list of 'genders' and 'identities' - there really is no denying that it is totally ridiculous Each to their own though Check your straight white male privilege. Hope you're joking "I can’t converse with people like that. It’s actually funny now. I may not agree with _ea monkey but I respect his sensible opinions. This is just a joke | |||
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"noone going to tell me what allied meansIt just means allied. No alternative definition.well ive just been told its straight people who support lbgtYes. Which is what allies do." well what you said made no sense to me. Remember not everyone knows everything and some might need it explained in basic terms | |||
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"Just wow!!! Me? Narrow minded and ignorant! You don’t know me at all, there are no labels that suit me at all. I see people as people I don’t feel the need to label. You have just decided on your comment what I am saying and what I’m thinking. I don’t want any reference to that community? I’d rather scrub their existence from my life? How dare you! Conversation finished. I shall find some adults to converse with. Unbelievable! I’m actually so shocked at this I’m laughing. " There’s a difference between ‘feeling the need to label’ and being tolerant of others seeking acceptance of their label. I’m glad you don’t feel the need to label, but that is not what I was addressing. I was addressing your intolerance of others striving for acceptance. Find some adults to converse with if you like but, if this thread is anything to go by, you’ll be desperately out of your depth. Like I said before, maybe if you think about what you’re saying before you commit it to text, you won’t be shocked by somebody pointing out how ignorant it is. | |||
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"Just wow!!! Me? Narrow minded and ignorant! You don’t know me at all, there are no labels that suit me at all. I see people as people I don’t feel the need to label. You have just decided on your comment what I am saying and what I’m thinking. I don’t want any reference to that community? I’d rather scrub their existence from my life? How dare you! Conversation finished. I shall find some adults to converse with. Unbelievable! I’m actually so shocked at this I’m laughing. There’s a difference between ‘feeling the need to label’ and being tolerant of others seeking acceptance of their label. I’m glad you don’t feel the need to label, but that is not what I was addressing. I was addressing your intolerance of others striving for acceptance. Find some adults to converse with if you like but, if this thread is anything to go by, you’ll be desperately out of your depth. Like I said before, maybe if you think about what you’re saying before you commit it to text, you won’t be shocked by somebody pointing out how ignorant it is." I suggest you take your own advice . Goodnight. | |||
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Ironically, you missed out cock and balls located between eyebrows and hairline..."Are you calling him a dick head? | |||
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"I agree with Nora that there are too many labels. On the one hand it can help people find a ‘community ‘ but it also serves to alienate them as well at times. People are people. If you identify as different then you will be treated that way. Surely it’s better to avoid alienating groups? " Clothes are just clothes. Why do we need words to describe different ones? Food is just food, so, again, why differentiate? There is absolutely no reason why having words to describe things should cause alienation. It’s possible to both see people as people, and treat them equally, whilst also recognising the amazing array of different things that people can be. The two stances aren’t mutually exclusive. | |||
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"Those people saying it doesn’t matter how many letters are used , or how many different genders / sexualities etc..... should think for a moment about how it is to bring up a child with all that’s going on now . I believe there are up to 71 gender identity options available to Facebook users . When I was growing up there was straight , gay and bi . Now I have to try and make sense of the ever increasing terminology and what the person is or isn’t into , and explain it to my son who is eleven . I don’t even remember having any kind of conversation with my parents or anyone else come to that when I was growing up . So it does matter to us , and that’s not being disparaging to anyone . A poster further up said she was bisexual , but other than those people she meets for sex , what the fuck does it matter to anyone how she conducts her sex life ? I couldn’t agree more with her viewpoint on this one . " | |||
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"Back in my 20s we anarchist queers used to ridicule the string of letters. i can see how they are helpful but the climate of open discussion has changed so much over recent years. Yes, you can be straight if TRans and some object to being included. You can't please everyone. If it helps you on your journey then that's great, just don't force it one everyone. i was queer for 24 years but very faggy. Now I'm struggling slightly with falling in love with a straight white middle class man hahaha. The new term is Contrasexual....beyong gender and sexuality. I much prefer it over pansexual but at the end of the day you fall in love with a person, regardless of who or what they are. It's mainstream society that is at fault here. We still get gaybashed and attacked etc in the uk. I never held my girlfriend's hand or made any PDA's unless I felt completely safe. Resistance became too much. ramble ramble...." What does faggy mean? | |||
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"I agree with Nora that there are too many labels. On the one hand it can help people find a ‘community ‘ but it also serves to alienate them as well at times. People are people. If you identify as different then you will be treated that way. Surely it’s better to avoid alienating groups? Clothes are just clothes. Why do we need words to describe different ones? Food is just food, so, again, why differentiate? There is absolutely no reason why having words to describe things should cause alienation. It’s possible to both see people as people, and treat them equally, whilst also recognising the amazing array of different things that people can be. The two stances aren’t mutually exclusive." I suppose the question I have is why we need to draw attention to it at all? I don’t introduce myself as anything other than name. The whole thing is a minefield and so difficult to keep track of, with a concern that you may upset someone with terminology. It’s overly complex. If you want to use the analogy of food that’s fine. I would say that having twenty different types of apple or potato is confusing. I choose by either the look or taste of what I like, not by the name of it. | |||
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"I agree with Nora that there are too many labels. On the one hand it can help people find a ‘community ‘ but it also serves to alienate them as well at times. People are people. If you identify as different then you will be treated that way. Surely it’s better to avoid alienating groups? " This is what I'm thinking too. | |||
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"Those people saying it doesn’t matter how many letters are used , or how many different genders / sexualities etc..... should think for a moment about how it is to bring up a child with all that’s going on now." Well, in some cases it’s going to make it easier, because your child realised that there are other people out there like them. Imagine how isolating it must be for your child to be told that the world is black and white if they feel a shade of grey. As has been pointed out elsewhere, children are far more receptive to and accepting of life’s rich tapestry than many adults. If you’re genuinely worrying about that kind of thing, remember : it’s only scary for you, it’s not scary for your kids. | |||
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"Those people saying it doesn’t matter how many letters are used , or how many different genders / sexualities etc..... should think for a moment about how it is to bring up a child with all that’s going on now. Well, in some cases it’s going to make it easier, because your child realised that there are other people out there like them. Imagine how isolating it must be for your child to be told that the world is black and white if they feel a shade of grey. As has been pointed out elsewhere, children are far more receptive to and accepting of life’s rich tapestry than many adults. If you’re genuinely worrying about that kind of thing, remember : it’s only scary for you, it’s not scary for your kids." I wanted to be a girl when I was 9. I even cried about it. My parents told me I was a boy and to get over it. Thank fucking God for my parents! | |||
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"Those people saying it doesn’t matter how many letters are used , or how many different genders / sexualities etc..... should think for a moment about how it is to bring up a child with all that’s going on now. Well, in some cases it’s going to make it easier, because your child realised that there are other people out there like them. Imagine how isolating it must be for your child to be told that the world is black and white if they feel a shade of grey. As has been pointed out elsewhere, children are far more receptive to and accepting of life’s rich tapestry than many adults. If you’re genuinely worrying about that kind of thing, remember : it’s only scary for you, it’s not scary for your kids. I wanted to be a girl when I was 9. I even cried about it. My parents told me I was a boy and to get over it. Thank fucking God for my parents! " Count your lucky stars, I wanted to be Thomas The Tank Engine.. can ya imagine that passport photo  | |||
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"I agree with Nora that there are too many labels. On the one hand it can help people find a ‘community ‘ but it also serves to alienate them as well at times. People are people. If you identify as different then you will be treated that way. Surely it’s better to avoid alienating groups? " If you don't identify as different though you are assumed the default and treated as such. In this case heterosexual. Avoiding labels so nobody is identified as different is kind of what we did a few decades ago when everyone was assumed heterosexual and therefore many faked that identity in order not to be ostracized. | |||
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"Those people saying it doesn’t matter how many letters are used , or how many different genders / sexualities etc..... should think for a moment about how it is to bring up a child with all that’s going on now. Well, in some cases it’s going to make it easier, because your child realised that there are other people out there like them. Imagine how isolating it must be for your child to be told that the world is black and white if they feel a shade of grey. As has been pointed out elsewhere, children are far more receptive to and accepting of life’s rich tapestry than many adults. If you’re genuinely worrying about that kind of thing, remember : it’s only scary for you, it’s not scary for your kids. I wanted to be a girl when I was 9. I even cried about it. My parents told me I was a boy and to get over it. Thank fucking God for my parents! " | |||
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"I suppose the question I have is why we need to draw attention to it at all? I don’t introduce myself as anything other than name." My name gives a hint at my gender, but not my sexuality. It’s important to have words to describe more details when they are required. When a form asks my gender, or Fab asks my sexuality, repeating my first name won’t help. "The whole thing is a minefield and so difficult to keep track of, with a concern that you may upset someone with terminology. It’s overly complex." Again, having words to describe things is not complex. You are more likely to upset someone by forcing them to pick between male or female on a form, when that doesn’t describe them. "If you want to use the analogy of food that’s fine. I would say that having twenty different types of apple or potato is confusing. I choose by either the look or taste of what I like, not by the name of it. " Different potatoes have different qualities (such as floury or waxy) and different tastes, and are suitable for different thinks. Some are better for chips, some are better for baking. Variety is the spice of life. As for apples, my favourites are Braeburn and Pink Lady. I’m not keen on Golden Delicious. When I go to the supermarket, if I can’t find them, it’s easier to ask, “Do you have any Braeburn apples?” Than it is to describe apples (as opposed to any other fruit they have) then try to describe the exact tone of red the skin is, and the consistency and taste of the flesh. | |||
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"I agree with Nora that there are too many labels. On the one hand it can help people find a ‘community ‘ but it also serves to alienate them as well at times. People are people. If you identify as different then you will be treated that way. Surely it’s better to avoid alienating groups? If you don't identify as different though you are assumed the default and treated as such. In this case heterosexual. Avoiding labels so nobody is identified as different is kind of what we did a few decades ago when everyone was assumed heterosexual and therefore many faked that identity in order not to be ostracized." I appreciate what you’re saying there however I believe that times are different now and people are more accepting generally. I work a lot with young people and they just don’t discuss these things in the same way as adults. We could learn from them I’m sure. | |||
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"Those people saying it doesn’t matter how many letters are used , or how many different genders / sexualities etc..... should think for a moment about how it is to bring up a child with all that’s going on now. Well, in some cases it’s going to make it easier, because your child realised that there are other people out there like them. Imagine how isolating it must be for your child to be told that the world is black and white if they feel a shade of grey. As has been pointed out elsewhere, children are far more receptive to and accepting of life’s rich tapestry than many adults. If you’re genuinely worrying about that kind of thing, remember : it’s only scary for you, it’s not scary for your kids. I wanted to be a girl when I was 9. I even cried about it. My parents told me I was a boy and to get over it. Thank fucking God for my parents! "For some people they arent trans, it genuinly can just be a childish phase. Being plied with drugs and making that a permanent part of the person or thier main identity can make it very hard for the kid to go "ok yeah i was wrong" because they dont want to upset everyone. Humans and kids especialy are irritiating in that there is no one fixed correct action. | |||
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"I agree with Nora that there are too many labels. On the one hand it can help people find a ‘community ‘ but it also serves to alienate them as well at times. People are people. If you identify as different then you will be treated that way. Surely it’s better to avoid alienating groups? If you don't identify as different though you are assumed the default and treated as such. In this case heterosexual. Avoiding labels so nobody is identified as different is kind of what we did a few decades ago when everyone was assumed heterosexual and therefore many faked that identity in order not to be ostracized. I appreciate what you’re saying there however I believe that times are different now and people are more accepting generally. I work a lot with young people and they just don’t discuss these things in the same way as adults. We could learn from them I’m sure. " People are more accepting yes but you still get assumed as heterosexual unless you're either very stereotypically gay or you tell people. The difference now is just that people aren't as phased by someone coming out. | |||
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"I agree with Nora that there are too many labels. On the one hand it can help people find a ‘community ‘ but it also serves to alienate them as well at times. People are people. If you identify as different then you will be treated that way. Surely it’s better to avoid alienating groups? If you don't identify as different though you are assumed the default and treated as such. In this case heterosexual. Avoiding labels so nobody is identified as different is kind of what we did a few decades ago when everyone was assumed heterosexual and therefore many faked that identity in order not to be ostracized. I appreciate what you’re saying there however I believe that times are different now and people are more accepting generally. I work a lot with young people and they just don’t discuss these things in the same way as adults. We could learn from them I’m sure. People are more accepting yes but you still get assumed as heterosexual unless you're either very stereotypically gay or you tell people. The difference now is just that people aren't as phased by someone coming out." Well yeah its like 9 out of 10 people are straight. But why does it matter if your assumed straight? I mean in 99% of day to day interaction who you fuck makes zero difference | |||
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"I agree with Nora that there are too many labels. On the one hand it can help people find a ‘community ‘ but it also serves to alienate them as well at times. People are people. If you identify as different then you will be treated that way. Surely it’s better to avoid alienating groups? If you don't identify as different though you are assumed the default and treated as such. In this case heterosexual. Avoiding labels so nobody is identified as different is kind of what we did a few decades ago when everyone was assumed heterosexual and therefore many faked that identity in order not to be ostracized. I appreciate what you’re saying there however I believe that times are different now and people are more accepting generally. I work a lot with young people and they just don’t discuss these things in the same way as adults. We could learn from them I’m sure. People are more accepting yes but you still get assumed as heterosexual unless you're either very stereotypically gay or you tell people. The difference now is just that people aren't as phased by someone coming out. Well yeah its like 9 out of 10 people are straight. But why does it matter if your assumed straight? I mean in 99% of day to day interaction who you fuck makes zero difference" No but who your partner is, who you live with and who you're marrying tend to be quite important to people. Have you ever regularly had your partner confused for just a friend or a housemate? | |||
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"I agree with Nora that there are too many labels. On the one hand it can help people find a ‘community ‘ but it also serves to alienate them as well at times. People are people. If you identify as different then you will be treated that way. Surely it’s better to avoid alienating groups? If you don't identify as different though you are assumed the default and treated as such. In this case heterosexual. Avoiding labels so nobody is identified as different is kind of what we did a few decades ago when everyone was assumed heterosexual and therefore many faked that identity in order not to be ostracized. I appreciate what you’re saying there however I believe that times are different now and people are more accepting generally. I work a lot with young people and they just don’t discuss these things in the same way as adults. We could learn from them I’m sure. People are more accepting yes but you still get assumed as heterosexual unless you're either very stereotypically gay or you tell people. The difference now is just that people aren't as phased by someone coming out." But sexuality is irrelevant. It’s relevant on here but it’s not relevant day to day. I don’t have an issue in how people choose to identify themselves but I do feel it’s unnecessarily complex for everyone. | |||
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"But why does it matter if your assumed straight?" If it doesn’t matter 99% of the time, why are we assuming one thing or the other? Some people didn’t like that I used the phrase ‘straight white male privilege’ earlier, but I think this is a prime example of assuming that, because the world seems fine to you, it must be fine for everyone else. If your ethnicity, gender, and sexuality happen to fall within the broadest brackets, then most things that exist around you cater to your needs and your identity. (Even more so if you’re male, because so many things in the world are designed for men, but that’s a different discussion.) If people assume you’re something you’re not, it gives you the impression you don’t belong. If that happens to you 24/7, it can feel like a pretty hostile world. | |||
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"But why does it matter if your assumed straight? If it doesn’t matter 99% of the time, why are we assuming one thing or the other? Some people didn’t like that I used the phrase ‘straight white male privilege’ earlier, but I think this is a prime example of assuming that, because the world seems fine to you, it must be fine for everyone else. If your ethnicity, gender, and sexuality happen to fall within the broadest brackets, then most things that exist around you cater to your needs and your identity. (Even more so if you’re male, because so many things in the world are designed for men, but that’s a different discussion.) If people assume you’re something you’re not, it gives you the impression you don’t belong. If that happens to you 24/7, it can feel like a pretty hostile world." If I assume someone is right handed, is it wrong and me just with my right handed privilege? | |||
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"I agree with Nora that there are too many labels. On the one hand it can help people find a ‘community ‘ but it also serves to alienate them as well at times. People are people. If you identify as different then you will be treated that way. Surely it’s better to avoid alienating groups? If you don't identify as different though you are assumed the default and treated as such. In this case heterosexual. Avoiding labels so nobody is identified as different is kind of what we did a few decades ago when everyone was assumed heterosexual and therefore many faked that identity in order not to be ostracized. I appreciate what you’re saying there however I believe that times are different now and people are more accepting generally. I work a lot with young people and they just don’t discuss these things in the same way as adults. We could learn from them I’m sure. People are more accepting yes but you still get assumed as heterosexual unless you're either very stereotypically gay or you tell people. The difference now is just that people aren't as phased by someone coming out. But sexuality is irrelevant. It’s relevant on here but it’s not relevant day to day. I don’t have an issue in how people choose to identify themselves but I do feel it’s unnecessarily complex for everyone. " I'm pretty sure people who live every day with a same sex, trans or non-binary partner would disagree with you that their sexuality is irrelevant to their day to day life. It can be exhausting to continuously correct people's assumptions and then you feel like you're living a lie or ashamed if you don't correct someone when they assume your partner is the opposite sex or that someone isn't your partner because of their gender. | |||
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"I agree with Nora that there are too many labels. On the one hand it can help people find a ‘community ‘ but it also serves to alienate them as well at times. People are people. If you identify as different then you will be treated that way. Surely it’s better to avoid alienating groups? If you don't identify as different though you are assumed the default and treated as such. In this case heterosexual. Avoiding labels so nobody is identified as different is kind of what we did a few decades ago when everyone was assumed heterosexual and therefore many faked that identity in order not to be ostracized. I appreciate what you’re saying there however I believe that times are different now and people are more accepting generally. I work a lot with young people and they just don’t discuss these things in the same way as adults. We could learn from them I’m sure. People are more accepting yes but you still get assumed as heterosexual unless you're either very stereotypically gay or you tell people. The difference now is just that people aren't as phased by someone coming out. Well yeah its like 9 out of 10 people are straight. But why does it matter if your assumed straight? I mean in 99% of day to day interaction who you fuck makes zero difference" | |||
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"Yes.." Then by that logic, yes, you have a privilege because you can be open about your right hand powers and use any utensils wise ease. See how easy that was to understand?  | |||
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"Yes.. Then by that logic, yes, you have a privilege because you can be open about your right hand powers and use any utensils wise ease. See how easy that was to understand? "Such as? | |||
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"I agree with Nora that there are too many labels. On the one hand it can help people find a ‘community ‘ but it also serves to alienate them as well at times. People are people. If you identify as different then you will be treated that way. Surely it’s better to avoid alienating groups? If you don't identify as different though you are assumed the default and treated as such. In this case heterosexual. Avoiding labels so nobody is identified as different is kind of what we did a few decades ago when everyone was assumed heterosexual and therefore many faked that identity in order not to be ostracized. I appreciate what you’re saying there however I believe that times are different now and people are more accepting generally. I work a lot with young people and they just don’t discuss these things in the same way as adults. We could learn from them I’m sure. People are more accepting yes but you still get assumed as heterosexual unless you're either very stereotypically gay or you tell people. The difference now is just that people aren't as phased by someone coming out. But sexuality is irrelevant. It’s relevant on here but it’s not relevant day to day. I don’t have an issue in how people choose to identify themselves but I do feel it’s unnecessarily complex for everyone. I'm pretty sure people who live every day with a same sex, trans or non-binary partner would disagree with you that their sexuality is irrelevant to their day to day life. It can be exhausting to continuously correct people's assumptions and then you feel like you're living a lie or ashamed if you don't correct someone when they assume your partner is the opposite sex or that someone isn't your partner because of their gender." Well they experience it so if they disagree with me that’s fine, no problem. I don’t have experience of it in my personal life but in my working experience with diverse families this hasn’t been raised as an issue. As I said, I doesn’t matter to me what people identify as because I just accept and treat everyone as a person, with or without the label but I think we live in complex times. | |||
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"The acronym is getting rather long. There is an alte GSRD Gender, sexuality, relationship diversity. That covers anyone who is queer in terms of their gender identity, sexual orientation and who has non-monogamous relationships. " | |||
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"I agree with Nora that there are too many labels. On the one hand it can help people find a ‘community ‘ but it also serves to alienate them as well at times. People are people. If you identify as different then you will be treated that way. Surely it’s better to avoid alienating groups? If you don't identify as different though you are assumed the default and treated as such. In this case heterosexual. Avoiding labels so nobody is identified as different is kind of what we did a few decades ago when everyone was assumed heterosexual and therefore many faked that identity in order not to be ostracized. I appreciate what you’re saying there however I believe that times are different now and people are more accepting generally. I work a lot with young people and they just don’t discuss these things in the same way as adults. We could learn from them I’m sure. People are more accepting yes but you still get assumed as heterosexual unless you're either very stereotypically gay or you tell people. The difference now is just that people aren't as phased by someone coming out. But sexuality is irrelevant. It’s relevant on here but it’s not relevant day to day. I don’t have an issue in how people choose to identify themselves but I do feel it’s unnecessarily complex for everyone. I'm pretty sure people who live every day with a same sex, trans or non-binary partner would disagree with you that their sexuality is irrelevant to their day to day life. It can be exhausting to continuously correct people's assumptions and then you feel like you're living a lie or ashamed if you don't correct someone when they assume your partner is the opposite sex or that someone isn't your partner because of their gender. Well they experience it so if they disagree with me that’s fine, no problem. I don’t have experience of it in my personal life but in my working experience with diverse families this hasn’t been raised as an issue. As I said, I doesn’t matter to me what people identify as because I just accept and treat everyone as a person, with or without the label but I think we live in complex times. " It's not overly complex tbh Outside of forums and the media, the majority of people just accept that there are two genders along with a 'other' category Think we all just spend too much time online - inflating this into a bigger issue than it actually is | |||
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"But why does it matter if your assumed straight? If it doesn’t matter 99% of the time, why are we assuming one thing or the other? Some people didn’t like that I used the phrase ‘straight white male privilege’ earlier, but I think this is a prime example of assuming that, because the world seems fine to you, it must be fine for everyone else. If your ethnicity, gender, and sexuality happen to fall within the broadest brackets, then most things that exist around you cater to your needs and your identity. (Even more so if you’re male, because so many things in the world are designed for men, but that’s a different discussion.) If people assume you’re something you’re not, it gives you the impression you don’t belong. If that happens to you 24/7, it can feel like a pretty hostile world. If I assume someone is right handed, is it wrong and me just with my right handed privilege?" No, but it's an extremely effective phrase to use to shut down discussion. | |||
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"The acronym is getting rather long. There is an alte GSRD Gender, sexuality, relationship diversity. That covers anyone who is queer in terms of their gender identity, sexual orientation and who has non-monogamous relationships. " That explains absolutely nothing | |||
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"But why does it matter if your assumed straight? If it doesn’t matter 99% of the time, why are we assuming one thing or the other? Some people didn’t like that I used the phrase ‘straight white male privilege’ earlier, but I think this is a prime example of assuming that, because the world seems fine to you, it must be fine for everyone else. If your ethnicity, gender, and sexuality happen to fall within the broadest brackets, then most things that exist around you cater to your needs and your identity. (Even more so if you’re male, because so many things in the world are designed for men, but that’s a different discussion.) If people assume you’re something you’re not, it gives you the impression you don’t belong. If that happens to you 24/7, it can feel like a pretty hostile world. If I assume someone is right handed, is it wrong and me just with my right handed privilege? No, but it's an extremely effective phrase to use to shut down discussion. " Oh you know.. just throwing pigeons amongst the cats.. | |||
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"The acronym is getting rather long. There is an alte GSRD Gender, sexuality, relationship diversity. That covers anyone who is queer in terms of their gender identity, sexual orientation and who has non-monogamous relationships. That explains absolutely nothing "Eh? It covers anyone who is not straight, or cis-gender or who practises "unusual" relationship styles. Much like LGBTQIA+ but simpler. | |||
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"Yes.. Then by that logic, yes, you have a privilege because you can be open about your right hand powers and use any utensils wise ease. See how easy that was to understand?
Such as? "Christ, I can’t believe we’re having to explain this. Most scissors are designed for right handed people. Ergonomic mice are designed for right handed people. Many kitchen utensils are designed for right handed people. Chairs with writing surfaces built in are designed for right handed people. Our entire writing system is designed for right handed people. Historically, more left handed people have died in industrial accidents than right handed people, and a disproportionate number of left handed people have things like repetitive strain injury and carpal tunnel syndrome from having to use things designed for right handed people. And for a bit of anecdotal evidence, my dad was given the cane at school for writing with his left hand. I know you were trying to be flippant and funny but the short answer is yes, there is such a thing as right handed privilege. | |||
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"Unusual??? Maybe it’s because I don’t see ‘unusual’ relationships and see everything as normal is the reason I think it explains nothing.. " | |||
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"Unusual??? Maybe it’s because I don’t see ‘unusual’ relationships and see everything as normal is the reason I think it explains nothing.. " Diverse... Not society's norm.... Swingers would be included, polyamory, other forms of non-monogamy, dom/sub, master/slave and so on. | |||
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"Unusual??? Maybe it’s because I don’t see ‘unusual’ relationships and see everything as normal is the reason I think it explains nothing.. " Straight relationships are the most common in society - therefore the norm. It follows therefore that anything not Straight is not normal. Seems fairly straightforward to me | |||
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"Yes.. Then by that logic, yes, you have a privilege because you can be open about your right hand powers and use any utensils wise ease. See how easy that was to understand?
Such as?
Christ, I can’t believe we’re having to explain this.
Most scissors are designed for right handed people. Ergonomic mice are designed for right handed people. Many kitchen utensils are designed for right handed people. Chairs with writing surfaces built in are designed for right handed people. Our entire writing system is designed for right handed people.
Historically, more left handed people have died in industrial accidents than right handed people, and a disproportionate number of left handed people have things like repetitive strain injury and carpal tunnel syndrome from having to use things designed for right handed people.
And for a bit of anecdotal evidence, my dad was given the cane at school for writing with his left hand.
I know you were trying to be flippant and funny but the short answer is yes, there is such a thing as right handed privilege."I just tried all these items with my left hand with no issues so I’d manage fine being left handed with no bias towards me to complain about, but maybe if I was left handed I would feel I’d have to as left handed people do.. I guess we’ll never know.. | |||
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"Unusual??? Maybe it’s because I don’t see ‘unusual’ relationships and see everything as normal is the reason I think it explains nothing.. " Good for you, now get the rest of the world on board and I'm sure we can all move on but since in some places you can be killed or imprisoned for being gay, beaten to death by thugs for beings trans, discouraged from exploring your sexuality because "it's not normal nor what God wants" etc, then these groups still exist to act as a beacon of hope. | |||
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"Unusual??? Maybe it’s because I don’t see ‘unusual’ relationships and see everything as normal is the reason I think it explains nothing.. Straight relationships are the most common in society - therefore the norm. It follows therefore that anything not Straight is not normal. Seems fairly straightforward to me "If you see as ‘not the norm’.. then you’re part of the issue.. | |||
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"Unusual??? Maybe it’s because I don’t see ‘unusual’ relationships and see everything as normal is the reason I think it explains nothing.. Straight relationships are the most common in society - therefore the norm. It follows therefore that anything not Straight is not normal. Seems fairly straightforward to me "Yes. GSRD includes anyone who does not conform to the societal norms on gender, sexuality or relationship style. Hence all queer people, people who are not cis-gender abd people who practise any "unusual" relationship models. Its not what you or I think of as "diverse" or "unusual" but what society views as such. | |||
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"I agree with Nora that there are too many labels. On the one hand it can help people find a ‘community ‘ but it also serves to alienate them as well at times. People are people. If you identify as different then you will be treated that way. Surely it’s better to avoid alienating groups? " | |||
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"Unusual??? Maybe it’s because I don’t see ‘unusual’ relationships and see everything as normal is the reason I think it explains nothing.. Diverse... Not society's norm.... Swingers would be included, polyamory, other forms of non-monogamy, dom/sub, master/slave and so on. " Ok, if you’re bringing Dom/sub, master slave into it then that’s a completely different subject to what’s being discussed.. | |||
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"Unusual??? Maybe it’s because I don’t see ‘unusual’ relationships and see everything as normal is the reason I think it explains nothing.. Straight relationships are the most common in society - therefore the norm. It follows therefore that anything not Straight is not normal. Seems fairly straightforward to me
Yes. GSRD includes anyone who does not conform to the societal norms on gender, sexuality or relationship style.
Hence all queer people, people who are not cis-gender abd people who practise any "unusual" relationship models.
Its not what you or I think of as "diverse" or "unusual" but what society views as such. "Maybe unconventional might be a better word haha. My relationshipd aren't "unusual:. There's just more than one of them . | |||
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