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"HE died for our sins, because HE/GOD made an error giving man them in the first place. No thanks, I'll take care of atoning for my wrong doings with the specific people in question. This blanket forgiveness is not helpful thank you very much. " | |||
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"Not sure he’d approve of fabs - not even his mum had sex" .....allegedly | |||
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"Not sure he’d approve of fabs - not even his mum had sex" Did you think she had like a glowing orgasm during the immaculate conception....? It must have been pretty spesh beig implanted with a baby jesus..... | |||
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"I wonder if he'd be proud of fab? " Not with all the verbal stonings that go on here | |||
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"No and how can you celebrate such an apparently important event on a different date each year" What's a year???? | |||
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"I wonder if he'd be proud of fab? Not with all the verbal stonings that go on here " Times are violent..... | |||
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"Not sure he’d approve of fabs - not even his mum had sex Did you think she had like a glowing orgasm during the immaculate conception....? It must have been pretty spesh beig implanted with a baby jesus..... " I guess that depends on what route the angel took | |||
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"Not sure he’d approve of fabs - not even his mum had sex Did you think she had like a glowing orgasm during the immaculate conception....? It must have been pretty spesh beig implanted with a baby jesus..... Nostril maybe, like an Egyptian mummification process..... I guess that depends on what route the angel took" | |||
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"No and how can you celebrate such an apparently important event on a different date each year" The date of Easter is determined by the phases of the moon. That's because the true origin of Easter is in Egypt and the celebration of the goddess of sex and fertility. The Christians came along basically rebranded it with their own narrative. Or did you think bunny rabbits and eggs came from the Bible story? | |||
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"No and how can you celebrate such an apparently important event on a different date each year The date of Easter is determined by the phases of the moon. That's because the true origin of Easter is in Egypt and the celebration of the goddess of sex and fertility. The Christians came along basically rebranded it with their own narrative. Or did you think bunny rabbits and eggs came from the Bible story? " I'm not religious | |||
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"Not sure he’d approve of fabs - not even his mum had sex Did you think she had like a glowing orgasm during the immaculate conception....? It must have been pretty spesh beig implanted with a baby jesus..... " The immaculate conception was HER conception, not his. She had to be free of Original Sin. Anyway, no I shall not be thinking particularly of a deity who took human form so that he could sacrifice himself to himself in order to get around the rules that he created. Happy chocolate! | |||
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"Today starts easter and it is a big celebration in christianity, today marks the crucifixion of jesus, are you celebrating and thinking of him? I am." Go onto YouTube and search "the tiger lilies banging in the nails" Sums up how I feel Haha | |||
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"Im guessing it made him cross " Don't you reckon the last bloody thing Jesus would ever want to see is a fecking cross? It's like Abe Lincoln coming back and being given a gun, or James Dean and a Porsche. If I'm the character of Jesus and somebody comes up to me brandishing a cross, I'm no more nailing the dick to the wall with my fist. Again, attempt at humourous commentary, dont need the hate filled religious messages. Believe what you want and take solace in that. If your faith is not strong enough to accept some minor joking on a website them that raises greater issues for your 'soul' | |||
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"Today starts easter and it is a big celebration in christianity, today marks the crucifixion of jesus, are you celebrating and thinking of him? I am." Do you celibrate by getting wood? | |||
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"No and how can you celebrate such an apparently important event on a different date each year" Because it's all to do with the spring equinoxe (Pagan festival) and fuck all to do with any "Jesus". | |||
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"Not sure he’d approve of fabs - not even his mum had sex Did you think she had like a glowing orgasm during the immaculate conception....? It must have been pretty spesh beig implanted with a baby jesus..... The immaculate conception was HER conception, not his. She had to be free of Original Sin. Anyway, no I shall not be thinking particularly of a deity who took human form so that he could sacrifice himself to himself in order to get around the rules that he created. Happy chocolate! " You're RIGHT about that, it was all to do with Mary's mum conceiving her, not Mary conceiving Jesus. They seem to have forgotten about the grandmother, great-grandmother, great-great-grandmother, etc, etc though! | |||
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"yeshua?" Bless you! | |||
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"Today starts easter and it is a big celebration in christianity, today marks the crucifixion of jesus, are you celebrating and thinking of him? I am." Im not sure celebrating is the right word but i am thinking of him. I am a christian despite being a swinger too. Im sure he will have something to say on judgement day. | |||
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"No I'm busy eating a sarnie and drinking a slush puppy enjoying the sunshine. " Damn.....I want a slush puppie now | |||
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"No I'm busy eating a sarnie and drinking a slush puppy enjoying the sunshine. Damn.....I want a slush puppie now " Tesco in the ice lolly isle | |||
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"Not sure he’d approve of fabs - not even his mum had sex Did you think she had like a glowing orgasm during the immaculate conception....? It must have been pretty spesh beig implanted with a baby jesus..... " Lol, all i could think of when reading that was Jeremy Clarkson narrating the words | |||
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"No I won't be celebrating Good Friday and the crucifixion. I will be having a long think about death and rebirth while I'm tending my seedlings in the greenhouse and watching the trees, plants and shrubs come back to life after appearing to be dead all winter. If I stay in my greenhouse long enough with all the growing stuff my thoughts might turn to how I can make a fresh start in certain areas of my life and how the spring symbolises that. " Bloody hell, that's deep. I just plant things and they either live or they die... | |||
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"No I won't be celebrating Good Friday and the crucifixion. I will be having a long think about death and rebirth while I'm tending my seedlings in the greenhouse and watching the trees, plants and shrubs come back to life after appearing to be dead all winter. If I stay in my greenhouse long enough with all the growing stuff my thoughts might turn to how I can make a fresh start in certain areas of my life and how the spring symbolises that. Bloody hell, that's deep. I just plant things and they either live or they die..." I'm only shallow when it comes to who I'll fuck | |||
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"No I won't be celebrating Good Friday and the crucifixion. I will be having a long think about death and rebirth while I'm tending my seedlings in the greenhouse and watching the trees, plants and shrubs come back to life after appearing to be dead all winter. If I stay in my greenhouse long enough with all the growing stuff my thoughts might turn to how I can make a fresh start in certain areas of my life and how the spring symbolises that. Bloody hell, that's deep. I just plant things and they either live or they die... I'm only shallow when it comes to who I'll fuck " My hero. | |||
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"Today starts easter and it is a big celebration in christianity, today marks the crucifixion of jesus, are you celebrating and thinking of him? I am." I'm thinking will ITV schedule a screening of Goldfinger this Sunday. | |||
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"Noooo... next you'll be telling me there is no Santa.... Jesus was a real man ... a Jewish Rabbi, not the mystical creature the Christian church would have you believe in" he was not cercumcied so no way a jewish rabbi | |||
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"Surely people can have their belief system without being abused? Happily agnostic here, but I am ok with other people having beliefs - so long as we don’t try and make others do things against their will whats the harm?" thanks, but if you know anything about these belief systems you know that most are actively prejudiced against lgbt, many are racist and mysogynistic and intolerant of other belief systems I acknowledge the right of anyone to believe what nonsense they wish to but I reserve the right to not respect ignorance, superstition and prejudice. | |||
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"Today starts easter and it is a big celebration in christianity, today marks the crucifixion of jesus, are you celebrating and thinking of him? I am." Yep , me too | |||
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"Surely people can have their belief system without being abused? Happily agnostic here, but I am ok with other people having beliefs - so long as we don’t try and make others do things against their will whats the harm? thanks, but if you know anything about these belief systems you know that most are actively prejudiced against lgbt, many are racist and mysogynistic and intolerant of other belief systems I acknowledge the right of anyone to believe what nonsense they wish to but I reserve the right to not respect ignorance, superstition and prejudice. " So responding in kind is the right answer? | |||
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"I wish I could be nailed like Jesus to the cross " I'd certainly like to nail you Oh, and he's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy! | |||
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"Today starts easter and it is a big celebration in christianity, today marks the crucifixion of jesus, are you celebrating and thinking of him? I am." The crucifixion marked Jesus. | |||
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"im biggus dickus" or am i Spartacus | |||
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"No one can judge us, one did and they Crucified him. " a crown court judge can | |||
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"Who was it betrayed Jesus to the Romans?" Nobody. It didn’t happen. But Judas got the blame, poor lad | |||
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"No one can judge us, one did and they Crucified him. a crown court judge can " And a jury too. | |||
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"Who was it betrayed Jesus to the Romans?" judas . for thirty pieces of chocolate | |||
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"The real Jesus was documented by Roman historians and identified him as a Rabbi He was born of the house of David ... one of the major Jewish 'aristocracy' and had a reasonable claim to the 'kingship' of Israel. This was why he was executed by the Roman army at the request of the ruling party in Jerusalem." There are absolutely no contemporary extra-biblical sources for Jesus. None. | |||
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"As usual, it can all be answered by a quote from Father Ted Dougal: Come on, Ted. Sure it's no more peculiar than all that stuff we learned in the seminary, you know, Heaven and Hell and everlasting life and all that type of thing. You're not meant to take it seriously, Ted!" | |||
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"Surely people can have their belief system without being abused? Happily agnostic here, but I am ok with other people having beliefs - so long as we don’t try and make others do things against their will whats the harm?" But we are made too aren’t we? Who funds the churches? Funds the head of c of e? Mi choice would be not one single penny of my tax goes toward any religious organisation including head of state woman. | |||
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"The real Jesus was documented by Roman historians and identified him as a Rabbi He was born of the house of David ... one of the major Jewish 'aristocracy' and had a reasonable claim to the 'kingship' of Israel. This was why he was executed by the Roman army at the request of the ruling party in Jerusalem. There are absolutely no contemporary extra-biblical sources for Jesus. None. " Yep. Not one contemporary account of this fella. | |||
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"The real Jesus was documented by Roman historians and identified him as a Rabbi He was born of the house of David ... one of the major Jewish 'aristocracy' and had a reasonable claim to the 'kingship' of Israel. This was why he was executed by the Roman army at the request of the ruling party in Jerusalem. There are absolutely no contemporary extra-biblical sources for Jesus. None. " Wasn't Joshua (jesus) the profit mentioned in writing in the Roman tax offices records ..I could be wrong . | |||
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"The real Jesus was documented by Roman historians and identified him as a Rabbi He was born of the house of David ... one of the major Jewish 'aristocracy' and had a reasonable claim to the 'kingship' of Israel. This was why he was executed by the Roman army at the request of the ruling party in Jerusalem. There are absolutely no contemporary extra-biblical sources for Jesus. None. Wasn't Joshua (jesus) the profit mentioned in writing in the Roman tax offices records ..I could be wrong . " prophet.. google being ironically funny | |||
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"Today starts easter and it is a big celebration in christianity, today marks the crucifixion of jesus, are you celebrating and thinking of him? I am." I don't believe in fairy tales. | |||
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"Today starts easter and it is a big celebration in christianity, today marks the crucifixion of jesus, are you celebrating and thinking of him? I am. I don't believe in fairy tales. " ""Fairy tales ""......it is NOT !! | |||
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"The real Jesus was documented by Roman historians and identified him as a Rabbi He was born of the house of David ... one of the major Jewish 'aristocracy' and had a reasonable claim to the 'kingship' of Israel. This was why he was executed by the Roman army at the request of the ruling party in Jerusalem. There are absolutely no contemporary extra-biblical sources for Jesus. None. " You sound like you know, however you might like to refer to Josephus and Tacitus (Roman historian and Roman Senate), Pliny the Younger (Roman governor) and of course the Babylonian Talmud are just 4 well accepted and recognised sources that confirm a lot of biblical accounts that many want to dismiss. Interesting to note that each of these had a vested interest to dismiss the existence of, activities, death and resurrection/disappearance of and most certainly his activities afterwards (if they could). The thing one needs to understand too is that as with anything like this, the evidence is there and more will be uncovered that confirms what these non biblical accounts say and probably more as increasing historical evidence is found. One needs to know a little bit more of something before making silly sweeping statements otherwise one just presumes your closed minded and have an issue with religion. | |||
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"Today starts easter and it is a big celebration in christianity, today marks the crucifixion of jesus, are you celebrating and thinking of him? I am. I don't believe in fairy tales. ""Fairy tales ""......it is NOT !!" No? OK, prove it. | |||
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"Today starts easter and it is a big celebration in christianity, today marks the crucifixion of jesus, are you celebrating and thinking of him? I am. I don't believe in fairy tales. ""Fairy tales ""......it is NOT !! No? OK, prove it." Why? It seems to have stood the test of time, much longer than anything you or I will ever say. Secondly you find actually want to know, so there little point try to explain to someone who is closed and narrow minded. There's plenty of documentary evidence by many much more learned and respected than any of us. If you're genuinely interested go and search and read for yourself, but I'm gathering you're just another with an issue with religion rather than actually interested. | |||
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"Today starts easter and it is a big celebration in christianity, today marks the crucifixion of jesus, are you celebrating and thinking of him? I am. I don't believe in fairy tales. ""Fairy tales ""......it is NOT !! No? OK, prove it. Why? It seems to have stood the test of time, much longer than anything you or I will ever say. Secondly you find actually want to know, so there little point try to explain to someone who is closed and narrow minded. There's plenty of documentary evidence by many much more learned and respected than any of us. If you're genuinely interested go and search and read for yourself, but I'm gathering you're just another with an issue with religion rather than actually interested." If the world was to be reset, science would be rediscovered, modern religions would not. That's all the proof you need | |||
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"if you take away all the myths/mirace add-ons, I think the nearest to what Jesus was really like was Ghandhi..just my opinion " There's stuff come out about about Ghandi that would shiver your timbers, about his family home life, written by a family member two generations afterwards. A film was made and met violent opposition in India. | |||
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"Today starts easter and it is a big celebration in christianity, today marks the crucifixion of jesus, are you celebrating and thinking of him? I am. I don't believe in fairy tales. ""Fairy tales ""......it is NOT !! No? OK, prove it. Why? It seems to have stood the test of time, much longer than anything you or I will ever say. Secondly you find actually want to know, so there little point try to explain to someone who is closed and narrow minded. There's plenty of documentary evidence by many much more learned and respected than any of us. If you're genuinely interested go and search and read for yourself, but I'm gathering you're just another with an issue with religion rather than actually interested." even though I am not religious I have to agree there is documented evidence of Joshua the prophet(Jesus )existence written in his lifetime..mainly by the Roman authorities | |||
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"Today starts easter and it is a big celebration in christianity, today marks the crucifixion of jesus, are you celebrating and thinking of him? I am. I don't believe in fairy tales. ""Fairy tales ""......it is NOT !! No? OK, prove it." I don't need to, I just have Faith and believe..... | |||
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"Today starts easter and it is a big celebration in christianity, today marks the crucifixion of jesus, are you celebrating and thinking of him? I am. I don't believe in fairy tales. ""Fairy tales ""......it is NOT !! No? OK, prove it. Why? It seems to have stood the test of time, much longer than anything you or I will ever say. Secondly you find actually want to know, so there little point try to explain to someone who is closed and narrow minded. There's plenty of documentary evidence by many much more learned and respected than any of us. If you're genuinely interested go and search and read for yourself, but I'm gathering you're just another with an issue with religion rather than actually interested. If the world was to be reset, science would be rediscovered, modern religions would not. That's all the proof you need " In what way? Science is an evolutionary understanding based upon many presuppositions which help to make up some laws. Some of these laws have changed as we've learned that some presuppositions were not as true as was once assumed. Maybe some new science may demonstrate some of our findings are not as concrete as we currently think too. | |||
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"Today starts easter and it is a big celebration in christianity, today marks the crucifixion of jesus, are you celebrating and thinking of him? I am. I don't believe in fairy tales. ""Fairy tales ""......it is NOT !! No? OK, prove it. Why? It seems to have stood the test of time, much longer than anything you or I will ever say. Secondly you find actually want to know, so there little point try to explain to someone who is closed and narrow minded. There's plenty of documentary evidence by many much more learned and respected than any of us. If you're genuinely interested go and search and read for yourself, but I'm gathering you're just another with an issue with religion rather than actually interested." I was actually trying to make a point to the poster who denounced the 'fairy tales' comment. I have no issue with those who believe / have faith etc, but many of them lack respect for the fact that there are those of us who do not. I wouldn't ordinarily ask a Christian to PROVE anything, but by denouncing another poster in the way he did, I thought was rather harsh | |||
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"if you take away all the myths/mirace add-ons, I think the nearest to what Jesus was really like was Ghandhi..just my opinion There's stuff come out about about Ghandi that would shiver your timbers, about his family home life, written by a family member two generations afterwards. A film was made and met violent opposition in India." two generations afterwards is longer than the First gospel writings so maybe pinch of salt (pun intended) | |||
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"I don't personally do the whole religion thing, but I'm happy for those who gain comfort and hope from it" Same here, and I don’t feel the need to belittle those that do | |||
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"Today starts easter and it is a big celebration in christianity, today marks the crucifixion of jesus, are you celebrating and thinking of him? I am. I don't believe in fairy tales. ""Fairy tales ""......it is NOT !! No? OK, prove it. Why? It seems to have stood the test of time, much longer than anything you or I will ever say. Secondly you find actually want to know, so there little point try to explain to someone who is closed and narrow minded. There's plenty of documentary evidence by many much more learned and respected than any of us. If you're genuinely interested go and search and read for yourself, but I'm gathering you're just another with an issue with religion rather than actually interested. If the world was to be reset, science would be rediscovered, modern religions would not. That's all the proof you need In what way? Science is an evolutionary understanding based upon many presuppositions which help to make up some laws. Some of these laws have changed as we've learned that some presuppositions were not as true as was once assumed. Maybe some new science may demonstrate some of our findings are not as concrete as we currently think too." Yes, science is ever changing and disproving old theories, but all of that would be rediscovered in time. Modern religions definitely would not. If anything it makes more sense for people to be agnostic than follow a modern religion. What if you've picked the wrong religion and youve been worshipping a false idol you're whole life, that's sounds like a one way ticket down, especially according to christianity. I'm also curious how people can justify being religious and be on this site, surely it breaks an insane amount of rules | |||
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"Today starts easter and it is a big celebration in christianity, today marks the crucifixion of jesus, are you celebrating and thinking of him? I am. I don't believe in fairy tales. ""Fairy tales ""......it is NOT !! No? OK, prove it. Why? It seems to have stood the test of time, much longer than anything you or I will ever say. Secondly you find actually want to know, so there little point try to explain to someone who is closed and narrow minded. There's plenty of documentary evidence by many much more learned and respected than any of us. If you're genuinely interested go and search and read for yourself, but I'm gathering you're just another with an issue with religion rather than actually interested. even though I am not religious I have to agree there is documented evidence of Joshua the prophet(Jesus )existence written in his lifetime..mainly by the Roman authorities" This and it's hard evidence for any one genuinely interested. They had the very best reasons to prove he didn't exist, didn't perform amazing acts and didn't command the respect and following of the people. The Jewish Leaders were another powerful influencial group who also had every reason to disprove him too. However they both failed for some reason. One has to ask why? One doesn't need to be religious to believe in facts that are there in front of us. One doesn't need to be a scientist to believe in science either. | |||
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"Today starts easter and it is a big celebration in christianity, today marks the crucifixion of jesus, are you celebrating and thinking of him? I am. I don't believe in fairy tales. ""Fairy tales ""......it is NOT !! No? OK, prove it. Why? It seems to have stood the test of time, much longer than anything you or I will ever say. Secondly you find actually want to know, so there little point try to explain to someone who is closed and narrow minded. There's plenty of documentary evidence by many much more learned and respected than any of us. If you're genuinely interested go and search and read for yourself, but I'm gathering you're just another with an issue with religion rather than actually interested. even though I am not religious I have to agree there is documented evidence of Joshua the prophet(Jesus )existence written in his lifetime..mainly by the Roman authorities This and it's hard evidence for any one genuinely interested. They had the very best reasons to prove he didn't exist, didn't perform amazing acts and didn't command the respect and following of the people. The Jewish Leaders were another powerful influencial group who also had every reason to disprove him too. However they both failed for some reason. One has to ask why? One doesn't need to be religious to believe in facts that are there in front of us. One doesn't need to be a scientist to believe in science either. " love that last paragraph | |||
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"Today starts easter and it is a big celebration in christianity, today marks the crucifixion of jesus, are you celebrating and thinking of him? I am. I don't believe in fairy tales. ""Fairy tales ""......it is NOT !! No? OK, prove it. Why? It seems to have stood the test of time, much longer than anything you or I will ever say. Secondly you find actually want to know, so there little point try to explain to someone who is closed and narrow minded. There's plenty of documentary evidence by many much more learned and respected than any of us. If you're genuinely interested go and search and read for yourself, but I'm gathering you're just another with an issue with religion rather than actually interested. If the world was to be reset, science would be rediscovered, modern religions would not. That's all the proof you need In what way? Science is an evolutionary understanding based upon many presuppositions which help to make up some laws. Some of these laws have changed as we've learned that some presuppositions were not as true as was once assumed. Maybe some new science may demonstrate some of our findings are not as concrete as we currently think too. Yes, science is ever changing and disproving old theories, but all of that would be rediscovered in time. Modern religions definitely would not. If anything it makes more sense for people to be agnostic than follow a modern religion. What if you've picked the wrong religion and youve been worshipping a false idol you're whole life, that's sounds like a one way ticket down, especially according to christianity. I'm also curious how people can justify being religious and be on this site, surely it breaks an insane amount of rules" Why would most religions not be rediscovered? Secondly why has being religious and being on here a conflict? Religion is nothing personal in its true form, it's a set of rituals and external codes one can use and adopt. Spirituality is more personal. I believe we are all spiritual beings, some oppress it for fear of inner or outter conflict. Returning to your science argument, science I don't think in its current understanding can prove or disprove the spiritual world. | |||
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"Today starts easter and it is a big celebration in christianity, today marks the crucifixion of jesus, are you celebrating and thinking of him? I am. I don't believe in fairy tales. ""Fairy tales ""......it is NOT !! No? OK, prove it. Why? It seems to have stood the test of time, much longer than anything you or I will ever say. Secondly you find actually want to know, so there little point try to explain to someone who is closed and narrow minded. There's plenty of documentary evidence by many much more learned and respected than any of us. If you're genuinely interested go and search and read for yourself, but I'm gathering you're just another with an issue with religion rather than actually interested. even though I am not religious I have to agree there is documented evidence of Joshua the prophet(Jesus )existence written in his lifetime..mainly by the Roman authorities This and it's hard evidence for any one genuinely interested. They had the very best reasons to prove he didn't exist, didn't perform amazing acts and didn't command the respect and following of the people. The Jewish Leaders were another powerful influencial group who also had every reason to disprove him too. However they both failed for some reason. One has to ask why? One doesn't need to be religious to believe in facts that are there in front of us. One doesn't need to be a scientist to believe in science either. love that last paragraph " Maybe just maybe something I've said might out last me | |||
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"Today starts easter and it is a big celebration in christianity, today marks the crucifixion of jesus, are you celebrating and thinking of him? I am. I don't believe in fairy tales. ""Fairy tales ""......it is NOT !! No? OK, prove it. Why? It seems to have stood the test of time, much longer than anything you or I will ever say. Secondly you find actually want to know, so there little point try to explain to someone who is closed and narrow minded. There's plenty of documentary evidence by many much more learned and respected than any of us. If you're genuinely interested go and search and read for yourself, but I'm gathering you're just another with an issue with religion rather than actually interested. If the world was to be reset, science would be rediscovered, modern religions would not. That's all the proof you need In what way? Science is an evolutionary understanding based upon many presuppositions which help to make up some laws. Some of these laws have changed as we've learned that some presuppositions were not as true as was once assumed. Maybe some new science may demonstrate some of our findings are not as concrete as we currently think too. Yes, science is ever changing and disproving old theories, but all of that would be rediscovered in time. Modern religions definitely would not. If anything it makes more sense for people to be agnostic than follow a modern religion. What if you've picked the wrong religion and youve been worshipping a false idol you're whole life, that's sounds like a one way ticket down, especially according to christianity. I'm also curious how people can justify being religious and be on this site, surely it breaks an insane amount of rules Why would most religions not be rediscovered? Secondly why has being religious and being on here a conflict? Religion is nothing personal in its true form, it's a set of rituals and external codes one can use and adopt. Spirituality is more personal. I believe we are all spiritual beings, some oppress it for fear of inner or outter conflict. Returning to your science argument, science I don't think in its current understanding can prove or disprove the spiritual world." Well the large Hadron collider proved that there was no such thing as ghosts and spirits wandering out earth. As for conflict, Christian rules would say no to coveting your neighbour, adultery, etc, etc. It depends whether the follower is following it as fact or more as lessons. All my Christian friends treat the bible more as life lessons and not as facts, like they think the whole Adam and eve thing is bollocks and whatnot. As for why would modern religions not be rediscovered, they just wouldn't. Undoubtedly new religions would spring up as some humans just need something to follow to justify our existence, you would only have to look at the Greek pantheon, why does that no longer exist? People just found something better to follow so moved onto a new set of rules | |||
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"Today starts easter and it is a big celebration in christianity, today marks the crucifixion of jesus, are you celebrating and thinking of him? I am. I don't believe in fairy tales. ""Fairy tales ""......it is NOT !! No? OK, prove it. Why? It seems to have stood the test of time, much longer than anything you or I will ever say. Secondly you find actually want to know, so there little point try to explain to someone who is closed and narrow minded. There's plenty of documentary evidence by many much more learned and respected than any of us. If you're genuinely interested go and search and read for yourself, but I'm gathering you're just another with an issue with religion rather than actually interested. even though I am not religious I have to agree there is documented evidence of Joshua the prophet(Jesus )existence written in his lifetime..mainly by the Roman authorities This and it's hard evidence for any one genuinely interested. They had the very best reasons to prove he didn't exist, didn't perform amazing acts and didn't command the respect and following of the people. The Jewish Leaders were another powerful influencial group who also had every reason to disprove him too. However they both failed for some reason. One has to ask why? One doesn't need to be religious to believe in facts that are there in front of us. One doesn't need to be a scientist to believe in science either. " Absence of proof isn't proof of absence. | |||
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"Today starts easter and it is a big celebration in christianity, today marks the crucifixion of jesus, are you celebrating and thinking of him? I am. I don't believe in fairy tales. ""Fairy tales ""......it is NOT !! No? OK, prove it. I don't need to, I just have Faith and believe....." Ah, but when you start to tell others that what THEY believe is wrong..... Who's to say that YOU are right. And THAT is why I responded in the way I did. Anyone can believe in whatever they choose, but when they start to tell others what to believe in, sorry, that's just wrong | |||
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"Today starts easter and it is a big celebration in christianity, today marks the crucifixion of jesus, are you celebrating and thinking of him? I am. I don't believe in fairy tales. ""Fairy tales ""......it is NOT !! No? OK, prove it. Why? It seems to have stood the test of time, much longer than anything you or I will ever say. Secondly you find actually want to know, so there little point try to explain to someone who is closed and narrow minded. There's plenty of documentary evidence by many much more learned and respected than any of us. If you're genuinely interested go and search and read for yourself, but I'm gathering you're just another with an issue with religion rather than actually interested. even though I am not religious I have to agree there is documented evidence of Joshua the prophet(Jesus )existence written in his lifetime..mainly by the Roman authorities This and it's hard evidence for any one genuinely interested. They had the very best reasons to prove he didn't exist, didn't perform amazing acts and didn't command the respect and following of the people. The Jewish Leaders were another powerful influencial group who also had every reason to disprove him too. However they both failed for some reason. One has to ask why? One doesn't need to be religious to believe in facts that are there in front of us. One doesn't need to be a scientist to believe in science either. Absence of proof isn't proof of absence." Absence of proof is why we don't believe in the first place. Many say that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. They're wrong. When you expect evidence to be present, absence of that evidence is remarkably telling. | |||
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"Today starts easter and it is a big celebration in christianity, today marks the crucifixion of jesus, are you celebrating and thinking of him? I am. I don't believe in fairy tales. ""Fairy tales ""......it is NOT !! No? OK, prove it. Why? It seems to have stood the test of time, much longer than anything you or I will ever say. Secondly you find actually want to know, so there little point try to explain to someone who is closed and narrow minded. There's plenty of documentary evidence by many much more learned and respected than any of us. If you're genuinely interested go and search and read for yourself, but I'm gathering you're just another with an issue with religion rather than actually interested. If the world was to be reset, science would be rediscovered, modern religions would not. That's all the proof you need In what way? Science is an evolutionary understanding based upon many presuppositions which help to make up some laws. Some of these laws have changed as we've learned that some presuppositions were not as true as was once assumed. Maybe some new science may demonstrate some of our findings are not as concrete as we currently think too. Yes, science is ever changing and disproving old theories, but all of that would be rediscovered in time. Modern religions definitely would not. If anything it makes more sense for people to be agnostic than follow a modern religion. What if you've picked the wrong religion and youve been worshipping a false idol you're whole life, that's sounds like a one way ticket down, especially according to christianity. I'm also curious how people can justify being religious and be on this site, surely it breaks an insane amount of rules Why would most religions not be rediscovered? Secondly why has being religious and being on here a conflict? Religion is nothing personal in its true form, it's a set of rituals and external codes one can use and adopt. Spirituality is more personal. I believe we are all spiritual beings, some oppress it for fear of inner or outter conflict. Returning to your science argument, science I don't think in its current understanding can prove or disprove the spiritual world. Well the large Hadron collider proved that there was no such thing as ghosts and spirits wandering out earth. As for conflict, Christian rules would say no to coveting your neighbour, adultery, etc, etc. It depends whether the follower is following it as fact or more as lessons. All my Christian friends treat the bible more as life lessons and not as facts, like they think the whole Adam and eve thing is bollocks and whatnot. As for why would modern religions not be rediscovered, they just wouldn't. Undoubtedly new religions would spring up as some humans just need something to follow to justify our existence, you would only have to look at the Greek pantheon, why does that no longer exist? People just found something better to follow so moved onto a new set of rules " Never heard of the Haldron Collinder. Grecian pantheonism was more philosophy than a religion and was driven by philosophical speculation. For this reason it is more rationalistic in its approach. This is probably why it died out as it wasn't really based on hard factual teaching. As philosophy changed it left it's religious side behind. Not sure your argument the modern religions just wouldn't exist is much of an an argument. | |||
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"Today starts easter and it is a big celebration in christianity, today marks the crucifixion of jesus, are you celebrating and thinking of him? I am. I don't believe in fairy tales. ""Fairy tales ""......it is NOT !! No? OK, prove it. I don't need to, I just have Faith and believe..... Faith is hardly a reliable path to truth. " Why not? The chair you just sat on, did you analysis it's capabilities, joints and structure before you sat in it? Yet you had faith that it would support you. We use faith in every day activities without a second thought. You haven't replied to my last comment. | |||
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"if you take away all the myths/mirace add-ons, I think the nearest to what Jesus was really like was Ghandhi..just my opinion There's stuff come out about about Ghandi that would shiver your timbers, about his family home life, written by a family member two generations afterwards. A film was made and met violent opposition in India. two generations afterwards is longer than the First gospel writings so maybe pinch of salt (pun intended) " No one doubts he existed | |||
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"if you take away all the myths/mirace add-ons, I think the nearest to what Jesus was really like was Ghandhi..just my opinion There's stuff come out about about Ghandi that would shiver your timbers, about his family home life, written by a family member two generations afterwards. A film was made and met violent opposition in India. two generations afterwards is longer than the First gospel writings so maybe pinch of salt (pun intended) No one doubts he existed " We have almost no contemporary evidence he existed. Josephus/Tacitus writings are unreliable and the gospels were written a couple of decades after his life and are inconsistent on basic facts. There is no evidence for the census around his birth amd Nazarus doesnt seem to have existed at the time of his birth. There are loads of books about the historical Jesus. He is probably an amalgum of several popular nomadic rabbis preaching at the time. We have more evidence for Socrates existence than jesus amd plenty of historians have shown he may not have existed. | |||
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"if you take away all the myths/mirace add-ons, I think the nearest to what Jesus was really like was Ghandhi..just my opinion There's stuff come out about about Ghandi that would shiver your timbers, about his family home life, written by a family member two generations afterwards. A film was made and met violent opposition in India. two generations afterwards is longer than the First gospel writings so maybe pinch of salt (pun intended) No one doubts he existed " No one? Really??? Sweeping in the generalisations there . *seeing how well this thread is going, shakes head and retires to something more challenging, ooo snog, fuck, lick .. hmm* | |||
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"if you take away all the myths/mirace add-ons, I think the nearest to what Jesus was really like was Ghandhi..just my opinion There's stuff come out about about Ghandi that would shiver your timbers, about his family home life, written by a family member two generations afterwards. A film was made and met violent opposition in India. two generations afterwards is longer than the First gospel writings so maybe pinch of salt (pun intended) No one doubts he existed " It's a growing field of academic research. | |||
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"Today starts easter and it is a big celebration in christianity, today marks the crucifixion of jesus, are you celebrating and thinking of him? I am. I don't believe in fairy tales. ""Fairy tales ""......it is NOT !! No? OK, prove it. I don't need to, I just have Faith and believe..... Faith is hardly a reliable path to truth. Why not? The chair you just sat on, did you analysis it's capabilities, joints and structure before you sat in it? Yet you had faith that it would support you. We use faith in every day activities without a second thought. You haven't replied to my last comment." Is there anything that I couldn't believe based on faith? And we can make reasonable analytical judgements about chairs by testing. The chair I just sat in has supported me in the past, I have a decent amount of evidence that it is sturdy. | |||
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"if you take away all the myths/mirace add-ons, I think the nearest to what Jesus was really like was Ghandhi..just my opinion There's stuff come out about about Ghandi that would shiver your timbers, about his family home life, written by a family member two generations afterwards. A film was made and met violent opposition in India. two generations afterwards is longer than the First gospel writings so maybe pinch of salt (pun intended) No one doubts he existed No one? Really??? Sweeping in the generalisations there . *seeing how well this thread is going, shakes head and retires to something more challenging, ooo snog, fuck, lick .. hmm*" You doubt Ghandi existed? I think there's plenty of historical, written and verbal evidence to show that. There's also clear written historical evidence by those who didn't want him around that Jesus existed too. I think those who want to doubt either would believe even if either reappeared in front of them with photo id and a NI number. | |||
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"if you take away all the myths/mirace add-ons, I think the nearest to what Jesus was really like was Ghandhi..just my opinion There's stuff come out about about Ghandi that would shiver your timbers, about his family home life, written by a family member two generations afterwards. A film was made and met violent opposition in India. two generations afterwards is longer than the First gospel writings so maybe pinch of salt (pun intended) No one doubts he existed No one? Really??? Sweeping in the generalisations there . *seeing how well this thread is going, shakes head and retires to something more challenging, ooo snog, fuck, lick .. hmm* You doubt Ghandi existed? I think there's plenty of historical, written and verbal evidence to show that. There's also clear written historical evidence by those who didn't want him around that Jesus existed too. I think those who want to doubt either would believe even if either reappeared in front of them with photo id and a NI number." My mistake ... I thought it was no doubt jebus existed .. hence my retiring .. these subjects never go well | |||
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"Today starts easter and it is a big celebration in christianity, today marks the crucifixion of jesus, are you celebrating and thinking of him? I am. I don't believe in fairy tales. ""Fairy tales ""......it is NOT !! No? OK, prove it. I don't need to, I just have Faith and believe..... Faith is hardly a reliable path to truth. Why not? The chair you just sat on, did you analysis it's capabilities, joints and structure before you sat in it? Yet you had faith that it would support you. We use faith in every day activities without a second thought. You haven't replied to my last comment. Is there anything that I couldn't believe based on faith? And we can make reasonable analytical judgements about chairs by testing. The chair I just sat in has supported me in the past, I have a decent amount of evidence that it is sturdy. " It has, but the first time, you had no evidence it would support you other than faith, yet I'd guess you never thought twice about sitting in it, that my point. Same with getting in a new car and driving it, your faith is that someone else says its road worthy and the brakes will stop you. We exercise faith every day based upon what others have said or done without personal experience, then we developed a personal faith as we gain personal experience. That faith often replaces the faith we had in anothers experience. | |||
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"if you take away all the myths/mirace add-ons, I think the nearest to what Jesus was really like was Ghandhi..just my opinion There's stuff come out about about Ghandi that would shiver your timbers, about his family home life, written by a family member two generations afterwards. A film was made and met violent opposition in India. two generations afterwards is longer than the First gospel writings so maybe pinch of salt (pun intended) No one doubts he existed No one? Really??? Sweeping in the generalisations there . *seeing how well this thread is going, shakes head and retires to something more challenging, ooo snog, fuck, lick .. hmm* You doubt Ghandi existed? I think there's plenty of historical, written and verbal evidence to show that. There's also clear written historical evidence by those who didn't want him around that Jesus existed too. I think those who want to doubt either would believe even if either reappeared in front of them with photo id and a NI number." What historical evidence of those that didnt want him around is there? Show me evidence of: The census at the time of his birth Herod and quirrinius sat thrones simultaneously Nazareth existed at the time of his birth The slaughter of the innocents His trial and crucifixion Any of his miracles Having read academic and respected literature on biblical history for about 15 years i have yet to find a single totally credible piece of evidence for any of the above | |||
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"Today starts easter and it is a big celebration in christianity, today marks the crucifixion of jesus, are you celebrating and thinking of him? I am." What a guy to die so we can all have a long weekend, respect. | |||
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"Wise man "we were led by a star". Brian's mother "led by the bottle you mean"" Sneaking around a stable at 3 in the morning? Doesn't sound very wise to me | |||
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"Wise man "we were led by a star". Brian's mother "led by the bottle you mean" Sneaking around a stable at 3 in the morning? Doesn't sound very wise to me" laughed | |||
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"Brian's mother" What star sign is he"? Wise man," Capricorn". Brians mother. " Capricorn hey what are they like"? Wise man." He is the son of God ,The Messiah". Second wise man ",King of the Jews". Brian's mother" And that's Capricorn is it"?" No ... just him Oh ... just as well otherwise there'd be a lot of them about | |||
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"if you take away all the myths/mirace add-ons, I think the nearest to what Jesus was really like was Ghandhi..just my opinion There's stuff come out about about Ghandi that would shiver your timbers, about his family home life, written by a family member two generations afterwards. A film was made and met violent opposition in India. two generations afterwards is longer than the First gospel writings so maybe pinch of salt (pun intended) No one doubts he existed No one? Really??? Sweeping in the generalisations there . *seeing how well this thread is going, shakes head and retires to something more challenging, ooo snog, fuck, lick .. hmm* You doubt Ghandi existed? I think there's plenty of historical, written and verbal evidence to show that. There's also clear written historical evidence by those who didn't want him around that Jesus existed too. I think those who want to doubt either would believe even if either reappeared in front of them with photo id and a NI number. What historical evidence of those that didnt want him around is there? Show me evidence of: The census at the time of his birth Herod and quirrinius sat thrones simultaneously Nazareth existed at the time of his birth The slaughter of the innocents His trial and crucifixion Any of his miracles Having read academic and respected literature on biblical history for about 15 years i have yet to find a single totally credible piece of evidence for any of the above" you got to believe in something though surely! I believe some would call me a hypocrite & my child had a Christian education | |||
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"HE died for our sins, because HE/GOD made an error giving man them in the first place. No thanks, I'll take care of atoning for my wrong doings with the specific people in question. This blanket forgiveness is not helpful thank you very much. " I don't think you really understand how forgiveness works according to Christians. It's not simply "forgive me God" and all is forgiven. | |||
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"if you take away all the myths/mirace add-ons, I think the nearest to what Jesus was really like was Ghandhi..just my opinion There's stuff come out about about Ghandi that would shiver your timbers, about his family home life, written by a family member two generations afterwards. A film was made and met violent opposition in India. two generations afterwards is longer than the First gospel writings so maybe pinch of salt (pun intended) No one doubts he existed No one? Really??? Sweeping in the generalisations there . *seeing how well this thread is going, shakes head and retires to something more challenging, ooo snog, fuck, lick .. hmm* You doubt Ghandi existed? I think there's plenty of historical, written and verbal evidence to show that. There's also clear written historical evidence by those who didn't want him around that Jesus existed too. I think those who want to doubt either would believe even if either reappeared in front of them with photo id and a NI number. What historical evidence of those that didnt want him around is there? Show me evidence of: The census at the time of his birth Herod and quirrinius sat thrones simultaneously Nazareth existed at the time of his birth The slaughter of the innocents His trial and crucifixion Any of his miracles Having read academic and respected literature on biblical history for about 15 years i have yet to find a single totally credible piece of evidence for any of the above you got to believe in something though surely! I believe some would call me a hypocrite & my child had a Christian education " I wouldn't call you a hypocrite but please don't call him Shirley | |||
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"Blessed are the Greek For they shall inhibit their girth" its not the Greeks it's the Chinese he's after | |||
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"Blessed are the Greek For they shall inhibit their girth its not the Greeks it's the Chinese he's after" come on red monkey next line | |||
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"Blessed are the Greek For they shall inhibit their girth its not the Greeks it's the Chinese he's after come on red monkey next line" I'm not after the Chinese!!!! | |||
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"Blessed are the Greek For they shall inhibit their girth its not the Greeks it's the Chinese he's after come on red monkey next line I'm not after the Chinese!!!!" ye. i like the near next one " Bloody Greeks- they invented gayness" | |||
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"Blessed are the Greek For they shall inhibit their girth its not the Greeks it's the Chinese he's after come on red monkey next line I'm not after the Chinese!!!! ye. i like the near next one " Bloody Greeks- they invented gayness"" Not a massive FT fan si will take your word for it | |||
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"if you take away all the myths/mirace add-ons, I think the nearest to what Jesus was really like was Ghandhi..just my opinion There's stuff come out about about Ghandi that would shiver your timbers, about his family home life, written by a family member two generations afterwards. A film was made and met violent opposition in India. two generations afterwards is longer than the First gospel writings so maybe pinch of salt (pun intended) No one doubts he existed No one? Really??? Sweeping in the generalisations there . *seeing how well this thread is going, shakes head and retires to something more challenging, ooo snog, fuck, lick .. hmm* You doubt Ghandi existed? I think there's plenty of historical, written and verbal evidence to show that. There's also clear written historical evidence by those who didn't want him around that Jesus existed too. I think those who want to doubt either would believe even if either reappeared in front of them with photo id and a NI number. What historical evidence of those that didnt want him around is there? Show me evidence of: The census at the time of his birth Herod and quirrinius sat thrones simultaneously Nazareth existed at the time of his birth The slaughter of the innocents His trial and crucifixion Any of his miracles Having read academic and respected literature on biblical history for about 15 years i have yet to find a single totally credible piece of evidence for any of the above you got to believe in something though surely! I believe some would call me a hypocrite & my child had a Christian education I wouldn't call you a hypocrite but please don't call him Shirley " haha | |||
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"if you take away all the myths/mirace add-ons, I think the nearest to what Jesus was really like was Ghandhi..just my opinion There's stuff come out about about Ghandi that would shiver your timbers, about his family home life, written by a family member two generations afterwards. A film was made and met violent opposition in India. two generations afterwards is longer than the First gospel writings so maybe pinch of salt (pun intended) No one doubts he existed No one? Really??? Sweeping in the generalisations there . *seeing how well this thread is going, shakes head and retires to something more challenging, ooo snog, fuck, lick .. hmm* You doubt Ghandi existed? I think there's plenty of historical, written and verbal evidence to show that. There's also clear written historical evidence by those who didn't want him around that Jesus existed too. I think those who want to doubt either would believe even if either reappeared in front of them with photo id and a NI number. What historical evidence of those that didnt want him around is there? Show me evidence of: The census at the time of his birth Herod and quirrinius sat thrones simultaneously Nazareth existed at the time of his birth The slaughter of the innocents His trial and crucifixion Any of his miracles Having read academic and respected literature on biblical history for about 15 years i have yet to find a single totally credible piece of evidence for any of the above you got to believe in something though surely! I believe some would call me a hypocrite & my child had a Christian education I wouldn't call you a hypocrite but please don't call him Shirley haha " Im an atheist so i reject the theist position. Im an adeist as well but thats another story! I think its the duty of any person to be really well educated about religion if they choose to take a position. A Christian should be sound in their theology or they dont understand enough of their religion to say they believe... | |||
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"if you take away all the myths/mirace add-ons, I think the nearest to what Jesus was really like was Ghandhi..just my opinion There's stuff come out about about Ghandi that would shiver your timbers, about his family home life, written by a family member two generations afterwards. A film was made and met violent opposition in India. two generations afterwards is longer than the First gospel writings so maybe pinch of salt (pun intended) No one doubts he existed No one? Really??? Sweeping in the generalisations there . *seeing how well this thread is going, shakes head and retires to something more challenging, ooo snog, fuck, lick .. hmm* You doubt Ghandi existed? I think there's plenty of historical, written and verbal evidence to show that. There's also clear written historical evidence by those who didn't want him around that Jesus existed too. I think those who want to doubt either would believe even if either reappeared in front of them with photo id and a NI number. What historical evidence of those that didnt want him around is there? Show me evidence of: The census at the time of his birth Herod and quirrinius sat thrones simultaneously Nazareth existed at the time of his birth The slaughter of the innocents His trial and crucifixion Any of his miracles Having read academic and respected literature on biblical history for about 15 years i have yet to find a single totally credible piece of evidence for any of the above" Just a quick search seems to indicate there were 3 major census done within few years of each other. "Records exist to show that Roman-controlled Egypt had begun a census as early as 10 B.C. and it was repeated every 14 years. And Augustus himself notes in his Res Gestae (The Deeds of Augustus) that he ordered three wide-spread censuses of Roman citizens, one in 28B.C., one in 8 B.C. and one in 14 A.D.2 In between there are several other censuses that happened locally across Rome." Maybe you will dismiss the Res Gestate and the records as non credible. The slaughter of the innocents has plenty of historical evidence. I'd say whatever evidence may put to you, sounds like you'd dismiss it anyway as you've already researched very extensively. | |||
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"Today starts easter and it is a big celebration in christianity, today marks the crucifixion of jesus, are you celebrating and thinking of him? I am. I don't believe in fairy tales. ""Fairy tales ""......it is NOT !! No? OK, prove it. I don't need to, I just have Faith and believe..... Faith is hardly a reliable path to truth. Why not? The chair you just sat on, did you analysis it's capabilities, joints and structure before you sat in it? Yet you had faith that it would support you. We use faith in every day activities without a second thought. You haven't replied to my last comment. Is there anything that I couldn't believe based on faith? And we can make reasonable analytical judgements about chairs by testing. The chair I just sat in has supported me in the past, I have a decent amount of evidence that it is sturdy. It has, but the first time, you had no evidence it would support you other than faith, yet I'd guess you never thought twice about sitting in it, that my point. Same with getting in a new car and driving it, your faith is that someone else says its road worthy and the brakes will stop you. We exercise faith every day based upon what others have said or done without personal experience, then we developed a personal faith as we gain personal experience. That faith often replaces the faith we had in anothers experience." Once again, I have data in the roadworthiness of new cars because I do my research. Similar with chairs, I will test a new chair. Now, is there ANY position that I couldn't take based on faith? | |||
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"Today starts easter and it is a big celebration in christianity, today marks the crucifixion of jesus, are you celebrating and thinking of him? I am." Nah. I'm more of a frisbeetarian these days, had to leave pastafarianism behind because apparently you can't go carb free and still be a member (way to go Carl, nice info that would have been for the fucking start mate) Efbees don't mind about your carb load and you don't have to wear an eye patch (I kept walking into shit) Hope you manage to incorporate haribos into your murder/zombie/cannibalism ritual. | |||
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"No and how can you celebrate such an apparently important event on a different date each year" Movable feast. Literally. | |||
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"Nope... I don't do any of the religious festivals, due to uncontrollable atheism " Not even international talk like a pirate day?!? | |||
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"HE died for our sins, because HE/GOD made an error giving man them in the first place. No thanks, I'll take care of atoning for my wrong doings with the specific people in question. This blanket forgiveness is not helpful thank you very much. I don't think you really understand how forgiveness works according to Christians. It's not simply "forgive me God" and all is forgiven." You ask two 'Christians' the same question on belief and you will get two answers. Each has their own way of interpretation of the WORD. I'm sure you have your own ideas but they are never consistent. As for original sin, which is why Jesus came to earth in the first place, is a ridiculous concept. As long as you accept my WORD, you get a free pass to heaven. Don't believe in me and its hell, torture and damnation. HE can keep your threats to HIMSELF and the I'll live my life as I choose. X | |||
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