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Another take on the Notre Dame fire.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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It's Easter
The protests in France
Most visited site in Paris
Many visitors from the world at this time
Brexit
EU issues
Could it create pity for France?
Could it be used for national sympathy/unity?
Is it a coincidence or a timely occurrence? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"nope......
just........ nope!!!
1 hr in and the tin foil conspiracy theories start......"
Millions of people have been sacrificed in wars, what is one building? Just putting out a consideration. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It's Easter
The protests in France
Most visited site in Paris
Many visitors from the world at this time
Brexit
EU issues
Could it create pity for France?
Could it be used for national sympathy/unity?
Is it a coincidence or a timely occurrence?"
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Is there a conspiracy theory that your hinting ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"nope......
just........ nope!!!
1 hr in and the tin foil conspiracy theories start......"
This 
Some ppl have no respect...... Have yo been t the place? It was beautiful!!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"nope......
just........ nope!!!
1 hr in and the tin foil conspiracy theories start......
This
Some ppl have no respect...... Have yo been t the place? It was beautiful!!! "
DHL fnjfdhfmk fdjfhgy 
Have you seen the place * |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"nope......
just........ nope!!!
1 hr in and the tin foil conspiracy theories start......
This
Some ppl have no respect...... Have yo been t the place? It was beautiful!!! "
Houses of Parliament, important building a man called Guy Fawkes. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"nope......
just........ nope!!!
1 hr in and the tin foil conspiracy theories start......
This
Some ppl have no respect...... Have yo been t the place? It was beautiful!!! Houses of Parliament, important building a man called Guy Fawkes. "
Honestly?
This is why I need a fab vacation, silly knobsticks posting stuff about tragedy like it's entertainment, shamima, racism, whinging dudes, can anyone actually provide educational mind expanding entertainment these days or is this it....? This is our best....??? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"nope......
just........ nope!!!
1 hr in and the tin foil conspiracy theories start......
This
Some ppl have no respect...... Have yo been t the place? It was beautiful!!! Houses of Parliament, important building a man called Guy Fawkes.
Honestly?
This is why I need a fab vacation, silly knobsticks posting stuff about tragedy like it's entertainment, shamima, racism, whinging dudes, can anyone actually provide educational mind expanding entertainment these days or is this it....? This is our best....??? "
Hey tinhat wearer check out my reasonable options listed above let's see what the investigators ( the experts) come up with. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"3 options yet to be seen what,
1. Industrial accident.
2. Acts of God. Used by insurers.
3. Arson, for whatever reason."
Who needs accident investigation when we've got horny half naked dudes on fab who can solve the problem from another country.... |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"3 options yet to be seen what,
1. Industrial accident.
2. Acts of God. Used by insurers.
3. Arson, for whatever reason.
Who needs accident investigation when we've got horny half naked dudes on fab who can solve the problem from another country.... "
I'm not naked as I type this or horny so don't try to be smart! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"3 options yet to be seen what,
1. Industrial accident.
2. Acts of God. Used by insurers.
3. Arson, for whatever reason.
Who needs accident investigation when we've got horny half naked dudes on fab who can solve the problem from another country.... I'm not naked as I type this or horny so don't try to be smart!"
I'm not trying....  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"nope......
just........ nope!!!
1 hr in and the tin foil conspiracy theories start......Millions of people have been sacrificed in wars, what is one building? Just putting out a consideration."
The two can be separated you know!
It’s so very sad to see such a beautiful, historic building on fire....  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It's Easter
The protests in France
Most visited site in Paris
Many visitors from the world at this time
Brexit
EU issues
Could it create pity for France?
Could it be used for national sympathy/unity?
Is it a coincidence or a timely occurrence?"
How did you even begin to come up with that? Honestly what you are suggesting is rubbish. It's laughable. What does Brexit have to do with it? What does EU issues even mean? And why do the french need to create pity? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"nope......
just........ nope!!!
1 hr in and the tin foil conspiracy theories start......Millions of people have been sacrificed in wars, what is one building? Just putting out a consideration.
The two can be separated you know!
It’s so very sad to see such a beautiful, historic building on fire.... "
Of course the two can be separated you know that and I know that, but in the context of what people may be prepared to sacrifice... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I love the passion shown for a iconic building and If there were no eventual findings for the cause of it, (the fire) would it bother you?"
What bothers me is that it's been lost..... I was there just last year and its a huge loss to Paris.... Blame matters not....
Your post matters even less.... I hope you learn from it buddy  |
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"It's Easter
The protests in France
Most visited site in Paris
Many visitors from the world at this time
Brexit
EU issues
Could it create pity for France?
Could it be used for national sympathy/unity?
Is it a coincidence or a timely occurrence?
How did you even begin to come up with that? Honestly what you are suggesting is rubbish. It's laughable. What does Brexit have to do with it? What does EU issues even mean? And why do the french need to create pity?"
Not that I’m fully supporting every point of the OP, it did cross my mind earlier this evening that in the face of tragedy, this event may be the catalyst for European unity .
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It's Easter
The protests in France
Most visited site in Paris
Many visitors from the world at this time
Brexit
EU issues
Could it create pity for France?
Could it be used for national sympathy/unity?
Is it a coincidence or a timely occurrence?
How did you even begin to come up with that? Honestly what you are suggesting is rubbish. It's laughable. What does Brexit have to do with it? What does EU issues even mean? And why do the french need to create pity?
Not that I’m fully supporting every point of the OP, it did cross my mind earlier this evening that in the face of tragedy, this event may be the catalyst for European unity .
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I think it'll be forgotten in a couple of weeks, I don't see it dragging much sympathy tbh. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I love the passion shown for a iconic building and If there were no eventual findings for the cause of it, (the fire) would it bother you?
What bothers me is that it's been lost..... I was there just last year and its a huge loss to Paris.... Blame matters not....
Your post matters even less.... I hope you learn from it buddy "
I love your blame matters not, there are investigators who investigate such matters as fire and it's not about blame it's about cause of. I would expect any rational person to be interested in the cause of. We all consider different parameters the only ones not included are the absolutely impossible. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I love the passion shown for a iconic building and If there were no eventual findings for the cause of it, (the fire) would it bother you?
What bothers me is that it's been lost..... I was there just last year and its a huge loss to Paris.... Blame matters not....
Your post matters even less.... I hope you learn from it buddy I love your blame matters not, there are investigators who investigate such matters as fire and it's not about blame it's about cause of. I would expect any rational person to be interested in the cause of. We all consider different parameters the only ones not included are the absolutely impossible."
Do you really love it? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I love the passion shown for a iconic building and If there were no eventual findings for the cause of it, (the fire) would it bother you?
What bothers me is that it's been lost..... I was there just last year and its a huge loss to Paris.... Blame matters not....
Your post matters even less.... I hope you learn from it buddy I love your blame matters not, there are investigators who investigate such matters as fire and it's not about blame it's about cause of. I would expect any rational person to be interested in the cause of. We all consider different parameters the only ones not included are the absolutely impossible."
Actually while you are correct that the fire investigation will look for a cause, the evidence can still be used to apportion blame.
Am I interested in the cause? Not really, it's tragic what's happened regardless of why it happened |
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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago
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The main question is, why is there no contingency plan to prevent something like this in the first place?
If I was in charge of St Paul's cathedral, I would seriously start thing about preventing something like this from happening.
York Minster, the art gallery in Scotland have been ravaged by fire.
Surely this ought to be preventable?
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"The main question is, why is there no contingency plan to prevent something like this in the first place?
If I was in charge of St Paul's cathedral, I would seriously start thing about preventing something like this from happening.
York Minster, the art gallery in Scotland have been ravaged by fire.
Surely this ought to be preventable?
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You would think so, but in the case of the Glasgow School of Art the rebuilding and restoration from the 2014 fire was almost complete when the building was ravaged again by second fire in 2018 |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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Who needs accident investigation when we've got horny half naked dudes on fab who can solve the problem from another country.... "
Not just the OP.
Donald Trump has been tweeting his expertise on fire-fighting, telling the French what they need to do to put it out.
The fire service in Paris said he doesn't know what he's talking about.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"The Palace of Versailles is proof of what you said."
The only thing of relevance to what I have said that you have mentioned was a fire at a famous 17th Century Paris mansion designed by the creator of The Palace of Versailles.It is called the Hotel Lambert. I do not see why you have made your statement?
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Who needs accident investigation when we've got horny half naked dudes on fab who can solve the problem from another country....
Not just the OP.
Donald Trump has been tweeting his expertise on fire-fighting, telling the French what they need to do to put it out.
The fire service in Paris said he doesn't know what he's talking about.
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Beware of riding coattails sometimes the material is so threadbare you end up flat on your face....due to tear in fabric of coat caused by previous wearer suddenly changing their behaviour, or is that direction?  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Pope did it for the insurance. Quasimodo will be the fall guy..
Just a hunch ?
You're going to hell for body shaming. Or possibly Manchester."
Manchester, like Paris has had it's own losses. On those occasions it was children, parents, people going about their daily lives, lost, maimed, injured and hurt beyond repair.
Somewhat tasteless don't you think.... |
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"nope......
just........ nope!!!
1 hr in and the tin foil conspiracy theories start......
Millions of people have been sacrificed in wars, what is one building? Just putting out a consideration."
I've considered it.
It's bollocks. |
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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago
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"The Palace of Versailles is proof of what you said. The only thing of relevance to what I have said that you have mentioned was a fire at a famous 17th Century Paris mansion designed by the creator of The Palace of Versailles.It is called the Hotel Lambert. I do not see why you have made your statement?"
I was referring to Kaitlin's comment. Westminster palace was a political target and ready to be destroyed in the gunpowder plot, whereas the French revolutionaries left their palace intact and just went for the establishment instead. |
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"It's Easter
The protests in France
Most visited site in Paris
Many visitors from the world at this time
Brexit
EU issues
Could it create pity for France?
Could it be used for national sympathy/unity?
Is it a coincidence or a timely occurrence?"
Maybe it was started by chemtrails or 5G tests.   |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"nope......
just........ nope!!!
1 hr in and the tin foil conspiracy theories start......
Millions of people have been sacrificed in wars, what is one building? Just putting out a consideration.
I've considered it.
It's bollocks. "
Your comments took 2 seconds to read as you gave you got back.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"It's Easter
The protests in France
Most visited site in Paris
Many visitors from the world at this time
Brexit
EU issues
Could it create pity for France?
Could it be used for national sympathy/unity?
Is it a coincidence or a timely occurrence?
Maybe it was started by chemtrails or 5G tests. "
What's a chemtrail or 5G tests? Enlighten us please. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"nope......
just........ nope!!!
1 hr in and the tin foil conspiracy theories start......
Some people should have the Internet taken away from them. "
The Reichstag Fire..opened the door for the Nazis to gain immense powers.
9/11.....gave the USA the Patriot Act.
So a consideration of how an event can change a social landscape is not far fetched. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I was watching it live on BBC News. After about 30 mins there was still only 1 fire engine in attendance . Couldn’t see any water anywhere near it. Inside job. Just a hunch. And as for those Twin Towers...... ?..... where have I heard those words before?... erm... erm .... twin towers.... err |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"It's Easter
The protests in France
Most visited site in Paris
Many visitors from the world at this time
Brexit
EU issues
Could it create pity for France?
Could it be used for national sympathy/unity?
Is it a coincidence or a timely occurrence?
How did you even begin to come up with that? Honestly what you are suggesting is rubbish. It's laughable. What does Brexit have to do with it? What does EU issues even mean? And why do the french need to create pity?"
Its probably to do with this:
The far right have mobilised on social media already. Katie Hopkins is using it as a metaphor for the "Islamification" of France although just steering clear of the "It was a Muslim wot done it" crowd.
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
I watched the coverage on BBC and found their attitude so condescending.
They were asked eye-witnesses on the street if the fire service was tardy in its response.
FFS!
There were hundreds of fire- fighters trying to save not only the structure but also the buildings nearby.
One of them was seriously injured.
This morning, their reporter said it was "luck" that saved the North Tower.
I had to switch off. It was the fire-fighters who saved the North Tower.
Imagine if the rolling coverage of Grenfell was peppered with slurs about the fire-fighters. There would be uproar.
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"I watched the coverage on BBC and found their attitude so condescending.
They were asked eye-witnesses on the street if the fire service was tardy in its response.
FFS!
There were hundreds of fire- fighters trying to save not only the structure but also the buildings nearby.
One of them was seriously injured.
This morning, their reporter said it was "luck" that saved the North Tower.
I had to switch off. It was the fire-fighters who saved the North Tower.
Imagine if the rolling coverage of Grenfell was peppered with slurs about the fire-fighters. There would be uproar.
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There was plenty of that in the coverage of Grenfell. Did you miss it? |
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"nope......
just........ nope!!!
1 hr in and the tin foil conspiracy theories start......
Some people should have the Internet taken away from them. The Reichstag Fire..opened the door for the Nazis to gain immense powers.
9/11.....gave the USA the Patriot Act.
So a consideration of how an event can change a social landscape is not far fetched."
Interesting comparrisons.
I've considered your premiss as suggested.
I still think it's bollocks. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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There was plenty of that in the coverage of Grenfell. Did you miss it?"
I don't recall anything like the incessant undermining of the fire-fighters that I heard last night and today.
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"It's Easter
The protests in France
Most visited site in Paris
Many visitors from the world at this time
Brexit
EU issues
Could it create pity for France?
Could it be used for national sympathy/unity?
Is it a coincidence or a timely occurrence?
How did you even begin to come up with that? Honestly what you are suggesting is rubbish. It's laughable. What does Brexit have to do with it? What does EU issues even mean? And why do the french need to create pity?
Its probably to do with this:
The far right have mobilised on social media already. Katie Hopkins is using it as a metaphor for the "Islamification" of France although just steering clear of the "It was a Muslim wot done it" crowd.
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Yeah but she's a complete arse wipe so most sensible types will think shut up you amoeba.. |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"It's Easter
The protests in France
Most visited site in Paris
Many visitors from the world at this time
Brexit
EU issues
Could it create pity for France?
Could it be used for national sympathy/unity?
Is it a coincidence or a timely occurrence?
How did you even begin to come up with that? Honestly what you are suggesting is rubbish. It's laughable. What does Brexit have to do with it? What does EU issues even mean? And why do the french need to create pity?
Its probably to do with this:
The far right have mobilised on social media already. Katie Hopkins is using it as a metaphor for the "Islamification" of France although just steering clear of the "It was a Muslim wot done it" crowd.
Yeah but she's a complete arse wipe so most sensible types will think shut up you amoeba.. "
Unfortunately the far right have quite a good social media game.
Her last video about asylum seekers had a million or so views. |
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"nope......
just........ nope!!!
1 hr in and the tin foil conspiracy theories start......
This
Some ppl have no respect...... Have yo been t the place? It was beautiful!!! Houses of Parliament, important building a man called Guy Fawkes.
Honestly?
This is why I need a fab vacation, silly knobsticks posting stuff about tragedy like it's entertainment, shamima, racism, whinging dudes, can anyone actually provide educational mind expanding entertainment these days or is this it....? This is our best....??? "
Unfortunately it seems so. Whenever someone try to open a discussion there always seems to be some whinging dude virtue signalling and calling people 'knobsticks' |
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"Pope did it for the insurance. Quasimodo will be the fall guy..
Just a hunch ?
You're going to hell for body shaming. Or possibly Manchester.
Manchester, like Paris has had it's own losses. On those occasions it was children, parents, people going about their daily lives, lost, maimed, injured and hurt beyond repair.
Somewhat tasteless don't you think...."
I think you missed the joke. It had nothing to do with the Manchester bombing either and I find it quite tasteless you imply it did. |
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"I was watching it live on BBC News. After about 30 mins there was still only 1 fire engine in attendance . Couldn’t see any water anywhere near it. Inside job. Just a hunch. And as for those Twin Towers...... ?..... where have I heard those words before?... erm... erm .... twin towers.... err"
Oh my god there's two of em now!
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Donald Tusk already suggested the whole of Europe contributing to the rebuild costs. Macron said he's launching a world wide restoration fund, both seem to garner sympathy and say look how strong a united EU is. I didnt see the EU paying for Windsor Castle's rebuild after a fire, but then again Brexit wasn't threatening to break up their, personal, lucrative monopoly. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
When parts of the south-west were overwhelmed by floods in recent years, the UK could have tapped into a EU fund for financial assistance with the recovery. The Conservative-led Goverment refused to do so. Bizarre.
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"When parts of the south-west were overwhelmed by floods in recent years, the UK could have tapped into a EU fund for financial assistance with the recovery. The Conservative-led Goverment refused to do so. Bizarre.
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Would that be just like the rest of the EU countries doing the same? Thought so. |
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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago
There and to the left a bit |
"I don't think it's a conspiracy, real tragedy though. I think its shameful how Macron and Tusk are using it for their own personal agenda."
I'm not entirely sure they are - it's just being read that way by people that want to read it that way |
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"I don't think it's a conspiracy, real tragedy though. I think its shameful how Macron and Tusk are using it for their own personal agenda."
Every disaster has a political silver lining.. |
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"Pope did it for the insurance. Quasimodo will be the fall guy..
Just a hunch ?
You're going to hell for body shaming. Or possibly Manchester.
Manchester, like Paris has had it's own losses. On those occasions it was children, parents, people going about their daily lives, lost, maimed, injured and hurt beyond repair.
Somewhat tasteless don't you think....
I think you missed the joke. It had nothing to do with the Manchester bombing either and I find it quite tasteless you imply it did."
Indeed. The Manchester reference is because G-C is in Merseyside... |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"Jeez is this really a "thing" have not long finished a "discussion" on FB with someone who was full of pro-Brexit conspiracy theory around Notre Dame  "
Jeeze.
These people are in positions of leadership.
In a crisis, leaders lead.
Then again, living in the UK you probably don't recognise leadership.
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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago
There and to the left a bit |
"Jeez is this really a "thing" have not long finished a "discussion" on FB with someone who was full of pro-Brexit conspiracy theory around Notre Dame
Jeeze.
These people are in positions of leadership.
In a crisis, leaders lead.
Then again, living in the UK you probably don't recognise leadership.
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Exactly!! |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"Jeez is this really a "thing" have not long finished a "discussion" on FB with someone who was full of pro-Brexit conspiracy theory around Notre Dame
Jeeze.
These people are in positions of leadership.
In a crisis, leaders lead.
Then again, living in the UK you probably don't recognise leadership.
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Leadership like Macron, least popular president in the history of the French Republic? |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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Leadership like Macron, least popular president in the history of the French Republic? "
Pull off the restoration of Notre Dame and, yes, you'll be remembered for the right reasons.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I don't think it's a conspiracy, real tragedy though. I think its shameful how Macron and Tusk are using it for their own personal agenda."
Macron has a vested interest - his wife sewed some of the original tapestries. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"3 options yet to be seen what,
1. Industrial accident.
2. Acts of God. Used by insurers.
3. Arson, for whatever reason.
2 would be rather ironic."
The Popes who pray to 'Our Lady'...not as ironic as you might think. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Daily Mail is gonna quote a source from O2 in tomorrow’s edition . Apparently, the GPS of Theresa Mays phone showed it was in Notre Dame 20 mins before the fire started. Up yours Macron |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Pope did it for the insurance. Quasimodo will be the fall guy..
Just a hunch ?
You're going to hell for body shaming. Or possibly Manchester.
Manchester, like Paris has had it's own losses. On those occasions it was children, parents, people going about their daily lives, lost, maimed, injured and hurt beyond repair.
Somewhat tasteless don't you think....
I think you missed the joke. It had nothing to do with the Manchester bombing either and I find it quite tasteless you imply it did."
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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This is Quote from a friend, not my personal views but just to add to the debate...
It’s just a building.
a building that represents an evil,oppressive,child tampering, murderous regime to be exact. No one died as it burned...but plenty of innocents have died for what it stood for.
The Israelis and the Saudis are murdering Palestinian and Yemeni children every single day...and your stolen tax pennies fund it...but the news doesn’t want you to be bothered about that.
400 million has already been donated for the rebuild, imagine if that kind of money was used to help the homeless and elderly! |
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"Pope did it for the insurance. Quasimodo will be the fall guy..
Just a hunch ?Bad hunch, sounds like nonsense to me!
I take that hunch back
It was a wasted hunch "
They could always turn it into a Yates wine bar. |
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"I do wonder if some people have no soul (no pun intended to our Religious friends), it is sad that such a lovely building, with such history has been destroyed."
I am sure someone truly religious woukd rather have the money spent on the homeless in Paris rather than restoring a building .. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"It's Easter
The protests in France
Most visited site in Paris
Many visitors from the world at this time
Brexit
EU issues
Could it create pity for France?
Could it be used for national sympathy/unity?
Is it a coincidence or a timely occurrence?
How did you even begin to come up with that? Honestly what you are suggesting is rubbish. It's laughable. What does Brexit have to do with it? What does EU issues even mean? And why do the french need to create pity?
Its probably to do with this:
The far right have mobilised on social media already. Katie Hopkins is using it as a metaphor for the "Islamification" of France although just steering clear of the "It was a Muslim wot done it" crowd.
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Is she now being credited with doing my thinking for me? |
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"It's a building !"
It's not just a building. It almost 1000 years of history art culture thoughts dreams and generations of human experience, wrapped inside a space that symbolises the heart of a city.... |
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"It's a building !
It's not just a building. It almost 1000 years of history art culture thoughts dreams and generations of human experience, wrapped inside a space that symbolises the heart of a city...."
well said sir , |
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"Esmerrelda. the bells are making me deaf.
In this case, the bells are making the OP stupid "
The only stupidity in this thread is from those blindly dismissing the possibility that this could be more than an accident. Oh, and those that ridiculed the op for opening a discussion by saying what does he know from 100''s miles away, before proceding to state their opinions as fact, whilst also 100''s of miles away.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8804063/france-church-arson-attacks-vandalism-christian-heritage/
https://www.newsweek.com/spate-attacks-catholic-churches-france-sees-altars-desecrated-christ-statue-1370800
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"Esmerrelda. the bells are making me deaf.
In this case, the bells are making the OP stupid
The only stupidity in this thread is from those blindly dismissing the possibility that this could be more than an accident. Oh, and those that ridiculed the op for opening a discussion by saying what does he know from 100''s miles away, before proceding to state their opinions as fact, whilst also 100''s of miles away.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8804063/france-church-arson-attacks-vandalism-christian-heritage/
https://www.newsweek.com/spate-attacks-catholic-churches-france-sees-altars-desecrated-christ-statue-1370800
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"Burning down an historical building for sympathy.
I don't think even the French would do that. "
But they would bomb a Greenpeace ship (Rainbow Warrior) and murder a person who was simply trying to protest about Whale Hunting.
Seems so trivial... compared to Whales and People trying to protect them... a pile of old stones full of old wood and bibles nobody reads any more. |
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That building has stood through a Napoleonic war and we are led to believe that Bob the Builder and his oversized arse crack are responsible for burning it down.
I thinketh not |
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"That building has stood through a Napoleonic war and we are led to believe that Bob the Builder and his oversized arse crack are responsible for burning it down.
I thinketh not"
A spokesperson for the building company has stated no workers where on site that day.
There is obviously the posibilitly of an electrical fire (dodgy battery charger for example), or some things can self ignite like cloths soaked in linseed oil used to finish wood. Glass bottles left on a sunny window cill can act like a magnifying glass.
There are lots of possibilities including unattended candles used for worship and even that someone may have started it deliberately.
According to the article I linked before 800+ churches a year are vandalized in France with the rate increasing by 25% in the first few months of this year. Arson has been confirmed among these attacks. |
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"That building has stood through a Napoleonic war and we are led to believe that Bob the Builder and his oversized arse crack are responsible for burning it down.
I thinketh not
A spokesperson for the building company has stated no workers where on site that day.
There is obviously the posibilitly of an electrical fire (dodgy battery charger for example), or some things can self ignite like cloths soaked in linseed oil used to finish wood. Glass bottles left on a sunny window cill can act like a magnifying glass.
There are lots of possibilities including unattended candles used for worship and even that someone may have started it deliberately.
According to the article I linked before 800+ churches a year are vandalized in France with the rate increasing by 25% in the first few months of this year. Arson has been confirmed among these attacks."
Thanks for that. |
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"Notre Dame fire if people believe jesus turned water into wine then the building will be restored without public funding.
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Going by the number of french billionaires and businesses falling over themselves to donate, looks like it will be restored without public funding
Hallelujah |
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"Conspiracy theorists are officially loonies, it is incredible how everything is someone’s fault & its all part of a big plan! "
It's not a conspiracy theory it's called possibilities and they are sometimes worth considering. |
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Hmm heres something interesting that i just read the al-aqsa mosque in jerusalem on the temple mount was on fire the same night as the cathedral wasnt as extensive however, but 2 major holy sites on fire at the same time... |
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"Hmm heres something interesting that i just read the al-aqsa mosque in jerusalem on the temple mount was on fire the same night as the cathedral wasnt as extensive however, but 2 major holy sites on fire at the same time..."
Yes it says it was contained also mentions it took place in a part of the Structure that was built by a Jewish King.
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"Hmm heres something interesting that i just read the al-aqsa mosque in jerusalem on the temple mount was on fire the same night as the cathedral wasnt as extensive however, but 2 major holy sites on fire at the same time..."
I just read that, and the Jewish connection.
Passover starts on Friday, as well as it being Good Friday, but I can't think of an Islamic holy day for this period. All the Abrahamic faiths aligning, albeit in fire, is interesting. |
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"nope......
just........ nope!!!
1 hr in and the tin foil conspiracy theories start......
This
Some ppl have no respect...... Have yo been t the place? It was beautiful!!! Houses of Parliament, important building a man called Guy Fawkes.
Honestly?
This is why I need a fab vacation, silly knobsticks posting stuff about tragedy like it's entertainment, shamima, racism, whinging dudes, can anyone actually provide educational mind expanding entertainment these days or is this it....? This is our best....??? "
But isnt all you do is whinge? |
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"I do wonder if some people have no soul (no pun intended to our Religious friends), it is sad that such a lovely building, with such history has been destroyed."
Well, it’s not destroyed. Two thirds of the roof burnt away and the ( fairly new) spire fell over. The artefacts were saved and the stained windows will need a bit of a wipe down. |
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This thread is eye opening. Conspiracy theorists claiming they aren’t seeing a conspiracy, but conflating the fire in Paris with one in Jerusalem and then trying to establish a link to Abrahamist religion.
By all means go off and do some research, maybe a Degree, an MA and a PhD, spend time in and with each of these religions. Develop a deep understanding of them. Then if you have some facts to put forward a hypothesis that you are willing to have challenged by your peers, please feel free to go ahead.
Unfortunately, I see nothing of this here. Just some fantasist belief system reinforced by other fantasists. Michael Gove is an idiot, but sadly his commentary that people ‘have had enough of experts’ is quite telling.
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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"Hmm heres something interesting that i just read the al-aqsa mosque in jerusalem on the temple mount was on fire the same night as the cathedral wasnt as extensive however, but 2 major holy sites on fire at the same time...
I just read that, and the Jewish connection.
Passover starts on Friday, as well as it being Good Friday, but I can't think of an Islamic holy day for this period. All the Abrahamic faiths aligning, albeit in fire, is interesting."
Well in that case, I'm blaming Thor. |
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"This thread is eye opening. Conspiracy theorists claiming they aren’t seeing a conspiracy, but conflating the fire in Paris with one in Jerusalem and then trying to establish a link to Abrahamist religion.
By all means go off and do some research, maybe a Degree, an MA and a PhD, spend time in and with each of these religions. Develop a deep understanding of them. Then if you have some facts to put forward a hypothesis that you are willing to have challenged by your peers, please feel free to go ahead.
Unfortunately, I see nothing of this here. Just some fantasist belief system reinforced by other fantasists. Michael Gove is an idiot, but sadly his commentary that people ‘have had enough of experts’ is quite telling.
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2 fires at 2 major religious sites on the same night just before a important period/ holiday in the religious calendar is not up for discussion. When the
Young man mentioned Fire, fire in a particular book has a lot to do with Judgement or Purification. In mentioning the Abrahamic descendancy of the Jewish religion and the Catholic religion he is considering whether there is a sign in all this. I believe the Catholic teachings are false, so for me from a religious standpoint I rejoice to see Babylon burn (Rev :18) |
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"This thread is eye opening. Conspiracy theorists claiming they aren’t seeing a conspiracy, but conflating the fire in Paris with one in Jerusalem and then trying to establish a link to Abrahamist religion.
By all means go off and do some research, maybe a Degree, an MA and a PhD, spend time in and with each of these religions. Develop a deep understanding of them. Then if you have some facts to put forward a hypothesis that you are willing to have challenged by your peers, please feel free to go ahead.
Unfortunately, I see nothing of this here. Just some fantasist belief system reinforced by other fantasists. Michael Gove is an idiot, but sadly his commentary that people ‘have had enough of experts’ is quite telling.
2 fires at 2 major religious sites on the same night just before a important period/ holiday in the religious calendar is not up for discussion. When the
Young man mentioned Fire, fire in a particular book has a lot to do with Judgement or Purification. In mentioning the Abrahamic descendancy of the Jewish religion and the Catholic religion he is considering whether there is a sign in all this. I believe the Catholic teachings are false, so for me from a religious standpoint I rejoice to see Babylon burn (Rev :18)"
The book of Revelation :Chapter 18. |
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"This thread is eye opening. Conspiracy theorists claiming they aren’t seeing a conspiracy, but conflating the fire in Paris with one in Jerusalem and then trying to establish a link to Abrahamist religion.
By all means go off and do some research, maybe a Degree, an MA and a PhD, spend time in and with each of these religions. Develop a deep understanding of them. Then if you have some facts to put forward a hypothesis that you are willing to have challenged by your peers, please feel free to go ahead.
Unfortunately, I see nothing of this here. Just some fantasist belief system reinforced by other fantasists. Michael Gove is an idiot, but sadly his commentary that people ‘have had enough of experts’ is quite telling.
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I hope you have renewed your poetic licence to go with your tenuous extrapolation.
Do you also have the authority to tell people that they can't pass comment on current affairs?
Do you realise the absurdity of telling people they must go and study a PhD to allow them to comment on a news headline, whilst at the same time making your own unqualified wild accusations without cause, reason or consideration of the facts and evidence.
Do you have a masters in false logic and a PhD in bending the truth, to qualify the opinion you just posted as fact without adding any support or reasoning that can be "peer reviewed"?
Or where you just hoping to discredit people with insults and hope nobody saw the hypocrisy in your post?
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"This thread is eye opening. Conspiracy theorists claiming they aren’t seeing a conspiracy, but conflating the fire in Paris with one in Jerusalem and then trying to establish a link to Abrahamist religion.
By all means go off and do some research, maybe a Degree, an MA and a PhD, spend time in and with each of these religions. Develop a deep understanding of them. Then if you have some facts to put forward a hypothesis that you are willing to have challenged by your peers, please feel free to go ahead.
Unfortunately, I see nothing of this here. Just some fantasist belief system reinforced by other fantasists. Michael Gove is an idiot, but sadly his commentary that people ‘have had enough of experts’ is quite telling.
I hope you have renewed your poetic licence to go with your tenuous extrapolation.
Do you also have the authority to tell people that they can't pass comment on current affairs?
Do you realise the absurdity of telling people they must go and study a PhD to allow them to comment on a news headline, whilst at the same time making your own unqualified wild accusations without cause, reason or consideration of the facts and evidence.
Do you have a masters in false logic and a PhD in bending the truth, to qualify the opinion you just posted as fact without adding any support or reasoning that can be "peer reviewed"?
Or where you just hoping to discredit people with insults and hope nobody saw the hypocrisy in your post?
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"This thread is eye opening. Conspiracy theorists claiming they aren’t seeing a conspiracy, but conflating the fire in Paris with one in Jerusalem and then trying to establish a link to Abrahamist religion.
By all means go off and do some research, maybe a Degree, an MA and a PhD, spend time in and with each of these religions. Develop a deep understanding of them. Then if you have some facts to put forward a hypothesis that you are willing to have challenged by your peers, please feel free to go ahead.
Unfortunately, I see nothing of this here. Just some fantasist belief system reinforced by other fantasists. Michael Gove is an idiot, but sadly his commentary that people ‘have had enough of experts’ is quite telling.
I hope you have renewed your poetic licence to go with your tenuous extrapolation.
Do you also have the authority to tell people that they can't pass comment on current affairs?
Do you realise the absurdity of telling people they must go and study a PhD to allow them to comment on a news headline, whilst at the same time making your own unqualified wild accusations without cause, reason or consideration of the facts and evidence.
Do you have a masters in false logic and a PhD in bending the truth, to qualify the opinion you just posted as fact without adding any support or reasoning that can be "peer reviewed"?
Or where you just hoping to discredit people with insults and hope nobody saw the hypocrisy in your post?
Woooooooaaaaahh,that was well put (claps hands) "
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"The main question is, why is there no contingency plan to prevent something like this in the first place?
If I was in charge of St Paul's cathedral, I would seriously start thing about preventing something like this from happening.
York Minster, the art gallery in Scotland have been ravaged by fire.
Surely this ought to be preventable?
You would think so, but in the case of the Glasgow School of Art the rebuilding and restoration from the 2014 fire was almost complete when the building was ravaged again by second fire in 2018"
Now that one is a heart wrencher, Rennie would be raging. And hardly covered in the news unlike some wank box in France.
How bad that student must still feel, I bet he hasn't touched a projector switch since. |
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"Notre Dame fire if people believe jesus turned water into wine then the building will be restored without public funding.
Going by the number of french billionaires and businesses falling over themselves to donate, looks like it will be restored without public funding
Hallelujah "
I wouldn't be too sure about that.
With tax relief on charitable donations it looks like it will be publicly funded. Albeit through the back door.
As for the conspiracy. All the signs point to it being a tragic accident.
However that won't stop Macron from milking it for all its worth. |
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"Pope did it for the insurance. Quasimodo will be the fall guy..
Just a hunch ?
You're going to hell for body shaming. Or possibly Manchester.
Manchester, like Paris has had it's own losses. On those occasions it was children, parents, people going about their daily lives, lost, maimed, injured and hurt beyond repair.
Somewhat tasteless don't you think....
I think you missed the joke. It had nothing to do with the Manchester bombing either and I find it quite tasteless you imply it did.
Indeed. The Manchester reference is because G-C is in Merseyside..."
If G-C is me ( and not gemma collins ) then the comment has gone right over my head.
I'm going back for a re read. |
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"This thread is eye opening. Conspiracy theorists claiming they aren’t seeing a conspiracy, but conflating the fire in Paris with one in Jerusalem and then trying to establish a link to Abrahamist religion.
By all means go off and do some research, maybe a Degree, an MA and a PhD, spend time in and with each of these religions. Develop a deep understanding of them. Then if you have some facts to put forward a hypothesis that you are willing to have challenged by your peers, please feel free to go ahead.
Unfortunately, I see nothing of this here. Just some fantasist belief system reinforced by other fantasists. Michael Gove is an idiot, but sadly his commentary that people ‘have had enough of experts’ is quite telling.
I hope you have renewed your poetic licence to go with your tenuous extrapolation.
Do you also have the authority to tell people that they can't pass comment on current affairs?
Do you realise the absurdity of telling people they must go and study a PhD to allow them to comment on a news headline, whilst at the same time making your own unqualified wild accusations without cause, reason or consideration of the facts and evidence.
Do you have a masters in false logic and a PhD in bending the truth, to qualify the opinion you just posted as fact without adding any support or reasoning that can be "peer reviewed"?
Or where you just hoping to discredit people with insults and hope nobody saw the hypocrisy in your post?
Woooooooaaaaahh,that was well put (claps hands)
Thank you"
I’ll put it more simply, observe what you see, question what you don’t know, opine when you have some evidence. Comment if you think it fits with some weird conspiracy fantasy you have - come on... |
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"This thread is eye opening. Conspiracy theorists claiming they aren’t seeing a conspiracy, but conflating the fire in Paris with one in Jerusalem and then trying to establish a link to Abrahamist religion.
By all means go off and do some research, maybe a Degree, an MA and a PhD, spend time in and with each of these religions. Develop a deep understanding of them. Then if you have some facts to put forward a hypothesis that you are willing to have challenged by your peers, please feel free to go ahead.
Unfortunately, I see nothing of this here. Just some fantasist belief system reinforced by other fantasists. Michael Gove is an idiot, but sadly his commentary that people ‘have had enough of experts’ is quite telling.
I hope you have renewed your poetic licence to go with your tenuous extrapolation.
Do you also have the authority to tell people that they can't pass comment on current affairs?
Do you realise the absurdity of telling people they must go and study a PhD to allow them to comment on a news headline, whilst at the same time making your own unqualified wild accusations without cause, reason or consideration of the facts and evidence.
Do you have a masters in false logic and a PhD in bending the truth, to qualify the opinion you just posted as fact without adding any support or reasoning that can be "peer reviewed"?
Or where you just hoping to discredit people with insults and hope nobody saw the hypocrisy in your post?
Woooooooaaaaahh,that was well put (claps hands)
Thank you
I’ll put it more simply, observe what you see, question what you don’t know, opine when you have some evidence. Comment if you think it fits with some weird conspiracy fantasy you have - come on..."
I observed that there has been previous arson attacks on churches in France, I questioned if it was possible for this to be the cause of the notre-dame fire and I stated and displayed my reason and posted links for peer review. What's your point, and where is your evidence?
You will find that no one here has asserted that there is an ulterior motive to this fire, merely questioned what happened. You will also find that the only people failing to give any evidence are the ones dismissing others as conspiracy theorists.
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"Notre Dame fire if people believe jesus turned water into wine then the building will be restored without public funding.
Going by the number of french billionaires and businesses falling over themselves to donate, looks like it will be restored without public funding
Hallelujah
I wouldn't be too sure about that.
With tax relief on charitable donations it looks like it will be publicly funded. Albeit through the back door.
As for the conspiracy. All the signs point to it being a tragic accident.
However that won't stop Macron from milking it for all its worth. "
What signs ?. Have they discovered the cause already ! |
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over a year ago
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"This thread is eye opening. Conspiracy theorists claiming they aren’t seeing a conspiracy, but conflating the fire in Paris with one in Jerusalem and then trying to establish a link to Abrahamist religion.
By all means go off and do some research, maybe a Degree, an MA and a PhD, spend time in and with each of these religions. Develop a deep understanding of them. Then if you have some facts to put forward a hypothesis that you are willing to have challenged by your peers, please feel free to go ahead.
Unfortunately, I see nothing of this here. Just some fantasist belief system reinforced by other fantasists. Michael Gove is an idiot, but sadly his commentary that people ‘have had enough of experts’ is quite telling.
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You're reading way too much into my post on a bonkers thread. It was posted around 1.30am when I couldn't sleep. |
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Does anyone else but me find it a little bizarre that millions of religious folk are praying to give thanks that Notre Dame didn't completely burn down? If they believe their god has that power, who the hell do they think was responsible for the fire consuming all that it did?  |
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"Does anyone else but me find it a little bizarre that millions of religious folk are praying to give thanks that Notre Dame didn't completely burn down? If they believe their god has that power, who the hell do they think was responsible for the fire consuming all that it did? "
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"Notre Dame fire if people believe jesus turned water into wine then the building will be restored without public funding.
Going by the number of french billionaires and businesses falling over themselves to donate, looks like it will be restored without public funding
Hallelujah
I wouldn't be too sure about that.
With tax relief on charitable donations it looks like it will be publicly funded. Albeit through the back door.
As for the conspiracy. All the signs point to it being a tragic accident.
However that won't stop Macron from milking it for all its worth.
What signs ?. Have they discovered the cause already !"
So, we could wait until the investigators conclude their analysis, produce a report and propose lessons learned. At the moment we have one fact, Notre Dame was largely destroyed by fire, beyond that we have purely conjecture based on fantasy. Maybe the report will support the fantasy, but I’m not holding my breath, by which time people will have moved onto the next piece of sensationalism to satisfy their need for immediate ‘answers’ |
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over a year ago
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"3 options yet to be seen what,
1. Industrial accident.
2. Acts of God. Used by insurers.
3. Arson, for whatever reason.
Who needs accident investigation when we've got horny half naked dudes on fab who can solve the problem from another country.... I'm not naked as I type this or horny so don't try to be smart!"
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Quasimodo wife.. walking in the kitchen with a Wok
Quasi.. You doing a stir fry love?
Quasis wife.. No love I'm just ironing your shirts..
OK. I was just trying to lighten the mood ?? |
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"Quasimodo wife.. walking in the kitchen with a Wok
Quasi.. You doing a stir fry love?
Quasis wife.. No love I'm just ironing your shirts..
OK. I was just trying to lighten the mood ??"
oops them?? Was meant to be |
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"3 options yet to be seen what,
1. Industrial accident.
2. Acts of God. Used by insurers.
3. Arson, for whatever reason.
Who needs accident investigation when we've got horny half naked dudes on fab who can solve the problem from another country.... I'm not naked as I type this or horny so don't try to be smart!
Just shattered my illusion "
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My favourite comments on the fire so far;
Comment - after all the aftermath and destruction of the Notre Dame fire the cross and alter remained untouched. Please explain how you don't believe in God after that.
Reply - because gold melts at 1064 degrees and wood burns at 600 degrees. Science. |
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"Notre Dame fire if people believe jesus turned water into wine then the building will be restored without public funding.
Going by the number of french billionaires and businesses falling over themselves to donate, looks like it will be restored without public funding
Hallelujah
I wouldn't be too sure about that.
With tax relief on charitable donations it looks like it will be publicly funded. Albeit through the back door.
As for the conspiracy. All the signs point to it being a tragic accident.
However that won't stop Macron from milking it for all its worth.
What signs ?. Have they discovered the cause already !"
Initial indications are something to do with the roof maintainence i think is the last thing the fire brigade said
Tracking down the exact cause might take a while but you have to rember these places weren't exactly built to any kind of fire code. It doesnt take much to get wood coated in flammable vanishes and laqucre going. |
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