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"No, but when did our opinion count" Why not? Because we don't like her? That's a very dangerous road to go down. | |||
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"Should taxpayers money be used to fund her appeal ? It seems she has successfully got legal aid to fight the decision not to let her back in the UK . " Seeing as she is likely to succeed then why shouldn't she? | |||
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"No, but when did our opinion count Why not? Because we don't like her? That's a very dangerous road to go down."  | |||
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"No, but when did our opinion count" I don't think she will be successful. Waste of money. | |||
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"I guess she meets the rules so yes. I do have mixed _iews as she was young and naive, her fellow traveler was killed and her babies have died. All in all a horrible situation but some authentic remorse would serve her well." How do you judge that authentic remorse? Someone able to fake what appears to be sincerity would be successful but someone traumatised and numbed, masking their feelings would fail. | |||
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"Yes. The will be a test case. It's important. 400 men who fought for IS were accepted back into this country. A woman who was a child when she left has been treated more harshly, and unfairly, than grown men making a decision to kill. I wondered how long you would take to post this, OP. Longer than I thought. " I’m glad I didn’t disappoint you  | |||
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"I guess she meets the rules so yes. I do have mixed _iews as she was young and naive, her fellow traveler was killed and her babies have died. All in all a horrible situation but some authentic remorse would serve her well. How do you judge that authentic remorse? Someone able to fake what appears to be sincerity would be successful but someone traumatised and numbed, masking their feelings would fail. " Only she will know if her sincerity is genuine, but I would hope it was. | |||
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"I guess she meets the rules so yes. I do have mixed _iews as she was young and naive, her fellow traveler was killed and her babies have died. All in all a horrible situation but some authentic remorse would serve her well. How do you judge that authentic remorse? Someone able to fake what appears to be sincerity would be successful but someone traumatised and numbed, masking their feelings would fail. Only she will know if her sincerity is genuine, but I would hope it was. "Well hope springs eternal .... But given that she supported the Manchester bomber in a recent inter_iew , it would be hard to believe her if she claimed she was remorseful . | |||
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"She is no longer a British citizen, so how the hell did she get Legal Aid?" The question before the court is whether the Home Secretary acted lawfully in doing that. | |||
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"I guess she meets the rules so yes. I do have mixed _iews as she was young and naive, her fellow traveler was killed and her babies have died. All in all a horrible situation but some authentic remorse would serve her well. How do you judge that authentic remorse? Someone able to fake what appears to be sincerity would be successful but someone traumatised and numbed, masking their feelings would fail. Only she will know if her sincerity is genuine, but I would hope it was.
Well hope springs eternal ....
But given that she supported the Manchester bomber in a recent inter_iew , it would be hard to believe her if she claimed she was remorseful ."She likened it to the bombing of women and children she witnessed. There's plenty of tit for tat that appears on here. Context is all. | |||
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"I guess she meets the rules so yes. I do have mixed _iews as she was young and naive, her fellow traveler was killed and her babies have died. All in all a horrible situation but some authentic remorse would serve her well. How do you judge that authentic remorse? Someone able to fake what appears to be sincerity would be successful but someone traumatised and numbed, masking their feelings would fail. Only she will know if her sincerity is genuine, but I would hope it was.
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But given that she supported the Manchester bomber in a recent inter_iew , it would be hard to believe her if she claimed she was remorseful ."I am sure she will have witnessed the most appalling of loss of innocent life. Some by the hands of IS, some by the West. All in all, a horrible situation. | |||
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"Yes. The will be a test case. It's important. 400 men who fought for IS were accepted back into this country. A woman who was a child when she left has been treated more harshly, and unfairly, than grown men making a decision to kill. I wondered how long you would take to post this, OP. Longer than I thought. " She saw men's heads chopped off and in a bin and didn't blink an eye lid, by her own admission. Not someone I want to be living next door to. She only wants homr just because Isis are failing over there now. Then they split off and separate into little cells and disperse and spread their ideology where ever they end up. I am sceptical. The decisions I made age 15 and into adulthood I have had to live with, she should to. | |||
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"I guess she meets the rules so yes. I do have mixed _iews as she was young and naive, her fellow traveler was killed and her babies have died. All in all a horrible situation but some authentic remorse would serve her well. How do you judge that authentic remorse? Someone able to fake what appears to be sincerity would be successful but someone traumatised and numbed, masking their feelings would fail. Only she will know if her sincerity is genuine, but I would hope it was.
Well hope springs eternal ....
But given that she supported the Manchester bomber in a recent inter_iew , it would be hard to believe her if she claimed she was remorseful .
She likened it to the bombing of women and children she witnessed. There's plenty of tit for tat that appears on here. Context is all.
"Well if you think that Shamima saying there is ‘ fair justification ‘ in a bombing of a stadium full of innocent people at a concert by comparing it to western bombing of isis state full of Terrorists , then that’s cool . But I personally think it’s a ridiculous comparison . | |||
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"I guess she meets the rules so yes. I do have mixed _iews as she was young and naive, her fellow traveler was killed and her babies have died. All in all a horrible situation but some authentic remorse would serve her well. How do you judge that authentic remorse? Someone able to fake what appears to be sincerity would be successful but someone traumatised and numbed, masking their feelings would fail. Only she will know if her sincerity is genuine, but I would hope it was.
Well hope springs eternal ....
But given that she supported the Manchester bomber in a recent inter_iew , it would be hard to believe her if she claimed she was remorseful .
I am sure she will have witnessed the most appalling of loss of innocent life. Some by the hands of IS, some by the West.
All in all, a horrible situation."So much so that she isn’t phased at all by a bin full of severed heads . Those heads being the western heads decapitated by isis . I agree it’s a horrible situation , but she chose it , and I very much doubt that she can be deradicalised after what she’s been through . | |||
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"I guess she meets the rules so yes. I do have mixed _iews as she was young and naive, her fellow traveler was killed and her babies have died. All in all a horrible situation but some authentic remorse would serve her well. How do you judge that authentic remorse? Someone able to fake what appears to be sincerity would be successful but someone traumatised and numbed, masking their feelings would fail. Only she will know if her sincerity is genuine, but I would hope it was.
Well hope springs eternal ....
But given that she supported the Manchester bomber in a recent inter_iew , it would be hard to believe her if she claimed she was remorseful .
She likened it to the bombing of women and children she witnessed. There's plenty of tit for tat that appears on here. Context is all.
Well if you think that Shamima saying there is ‘ fair justification ‘ in a bombing of a stadium full of innocent people at a concert by comparing it to western bombing of isis state full of Terrorists , then that’s cool . But I personally think it’s a ridiculous comparison ."I know you do. Your several threads about this young woman has made your point of _iew absolutely clear. Many on here support your _iew. All I ask is that people consider the context, her age and the different treatment she has been meted compared to men who actually killed people. But, the black and white world you and others appear to live in has no room for that. Once again, I'm out and I'll leave you all to condemn this young woman. I truly hope none of your (wider than the OP) children ever do anything so serious that is requires others to forgive them. | |||
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"Leaving aside the morality of her actions, I would like to see the decision of the UK Government tested in a court of law. Stripping someone of their British citizenship, rendering an individual stateless and a "citizen of no-where", might be popular but all the evidence suggests it is illegal. If the battle with ISIS is about anything, surely it is about upholding the rule of law and the rights we too often take for granted. " | |||
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"I guess she meets the rules so yes. I do have mixed _iews as she was young and naive, her fellow traveler was killed and her babies have died. All in all a horrible situation but some authentic remorse would serve her well. How do you judge that authentic remorse? Someone able to fake what appears to be sincerity would be successful but someone traumatised and numbed, masking their feelings would fail. Only she will know if her sincerity is genuine, but I would hope it was.
Well hope springs eternal ....
But given that she supported the Manchester bomber in a recent inter_iew , it would be hard to believe her if she claimed she was remorseful .
She likened it to the bombing of women and children she witnessed. There's plenty of tit for tat that appears on here. Context is all.
Well if you think that Shamima saying there is ‘ fair justification ‘ in a bombing of a stadium full of innocent people at a concert by comparing it to western bombing of isis state full of Terrorists , then that’s cool . But I personally think it’s a ridiculous comparison ."Wow so we have bombs that only kill the guilty? Not children, babies, the innocent. I knew they were smart but not THAT smart | |||
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"I guess she meets the rules so yes. I do have mixed _iews as she was young and naive, her fellow traveler was killed and her babies have died. All in all a horrible situation but some authentic remorse would serve her well. How do you judge that authentic remorse? Someone able to fake what appears to be sincerity would be successful but someone traumatised and numbed, masking their feelings would fail. Only she will know if her sincerity is genuine, but I would hope it was.
Well hope springs eternal ....
But given that she supported the Manchester bomber in a recent inter_iew , it would be hard to believe her if she claimed she was remorseful .
She likened it to the bombing of women and children she witnessed. There's plenty of tit for tat that appears on here. Context is all.
Well if you think that Shamima saying there is ‘ fair justification ‘ in a bombing of a stadium full of innocent people at a concert by comparing it to western bombing of isis state full of Terrorists , then that’s cool . But I personally think it’s a ridiculous comparison .
I know you do. Your several threads about this young woman has made your point of _iew absolutely clear. Many on here support your _iew. All I ask is that people consider the context, her age and the different treatment she has been meted compared to men who actually killed people. But, the black and white world you and others appear to live in has no room for that.
Once again, I'm out and I'll leave you all to condemn this young woman. I truly hope none of your (wider than the OP) children ever do anything so serious that is requires others to forgive them.
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"Should taxpayers money be used to fund her appeal ? It seems she has successfully got legal aid to fight the decision not to let her back in the UK . " She's a British citizen, so she's entitled to apply the same as anyone else. In my opinion, she should be entitled to a fair and unbiased re_iew of her situation and how the laws of the land dictate her situation should be handled. But that's just my opinion. Cal | |||
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"I guess she meets the rules so yes. I do have mixed _iews as she was young and naive, her fellow traveler was killed and her babies have died. All in all a horrible situation but some authentic remorse would serve her well. How do you judge that authentic remorse? Someone able to fake what appears to be sincerity would be successful but someone traumatised and numbed, masking their feelings would fail. Only she will know if her sincerity is genuine, but I would hope it was.
Well hope springs eternal ....
But given that she supported the Manchester bomber in a recent inter_iew , it would be hard to believe her if she claimed she was remorseful .
She likened it to the bombing of women and children she witnessed. There's plenty of tit for tat that appears on here. Context is all.
Well if you think that Shamima saying there is ‘ fair justification ‘ in a bombing of a stadium full of innocent people at a concert by comparing it to western bombing of isis state full of Terrorists , then that’s cool . But I personally think it’s a ridiculous comparison .
Wow so we have bombs that only kill the guilty? Not children, babies, the innocent. I knew they were smart but not THAT smart"We don’t deliberately seek to murder innocent people by strapping bombs to ourselves and going to a packed arena . That’s the difference as you very well know . Never will we have done such a wicked thing , and her support of such an action is deplorable . | |||
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"I guess she meets the rules so yes. I do have mixed _iews as she was young and naive, her fellow traveler was killed and her babies have died. All in all a horrible situation but some authentic remorse would serve her well. How do you judge that authentic remorse? Someone able to fake what appears to be sincerity would be successful but someone traumatised and numbed, masking their feelings would fail. Only she will know if her sincerity is genuine, but I would hope it was.
Well hope springs eternal ....
But given that she supported the Manchester bomber in a recent inter_iew , it would be hard to believe her if she claimed she was remorseful .
She likened it to the bombing of women and children she witnessed. There's plenty of tit for tat that appears on here. Context is all.
Well if you think that Shamima saying there is ‘ fair justification ‘ in a bombing of a stadium full of innocent people at a concert by comparing it to western bombing of isis state full of Terrorists , then that’s cool . But I personally think it’s a ridiculous comparison .
I know you do. Your several threads about this young woman has made your point of _iew absolutely clear. Many on here support your _iew. All I ask is that people consider the context, her age and the different treatment she has been meted compared to men who actually killed people. But, the black and white world you and others appear to live in has no room for that.
Once again, I'm out and I'll leave you all to condemn this young woman. I truly hope none of your (wider than the OP) children ever do anything so serious that is requires others to forgive them.
"Hoping my children don’t stoop to her level is an unnecessary and rather cheap shot of an argument to be honest . | |||
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"Given that the decision to remove her British nationality was illegal in the first place, yes, she should get legal aid. And, no, I don't even vaguely agree with her evil ideology." Exactly this
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"Well it turns out she was in the morality police and an enforcer who helped sew people into bomb vests so they couldnt remove them. We're effectively spending money to help the equivalent of a Gestapo officer :/" And this is why I feel so out of place on fab . The forum never ceases to amaze me with its ideology . I read she aimed a loaded rifle at another woman because she was wearing the wrong colour shoes too . In a crowded street , and this was on Euro News website , not the Daily Mail . | |||
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"Well it turns out she was in the morality police and an enforcer who helped sew people into bomb vests so they couldnt remove them. We're effectively spending money to help the equivalent of a Gestapo officer :/ And this is why I feel so out of place on fab . The forum never ceases to amaze me with its ideology . I read she aimed a loaded rifle at another woman because she was wearing the wrong colour shoes too . In a crowded street , and this was on Euro News website , not the Daily Mail ." I understand your confusion, I feel endless confusion at how people don’t understand how radicalisation happens. | |||
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"Well it turns out she was in the morality police and an enforcer who helped sew people into bomb vests so they couldnt remove them. We're effectively spending money to help the equivalent of a Gestapo officer :/ And this is why I feel so out of place on fab . The forum never ceases to amaze me with its ideology . I read she aimed a loaded rifle at another woman because she was wearing the wrong colour shoes too . In a crowded street , and this was on Euro News website , not the Daily Mail . I understand your confusion, I feel endless confusion at how people don’t understand how radicalisation happens. " But surely if she is left in Syria it acts as a deterrent to others here who may be susceptible to the same radicalisation ? If we allow her back , and try to put her straight , then no one will be wary of going down the same route as she did . | |||
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"Well it turns out she was in the morality police and an enforcer who helped sew people into bomb vests so they couldnt remove them. We're effectively spending money to help the equivalent of a Gestapo officer :/ And this is why I feel so out of place on fab . The forum never ceases to amaze me with its ideology . I read she aimed a loaded rifle at another woman because she was wearing the wrong colour shoes too . In a crowded street , and this was on Euro News website , not the Daily Mail ." It doesn't matter. Whatever she's done, she's entitled to a fair hearing, and that means legal aid. If we step away from that, we're no better than ISIS. | |||
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"Well it turns out she was in the morality police and an enforcer who helped sew people into bomb vests so they couldnt remove them. We're effectively spending money to help the equivalent of a Gestapo officer :/" I read that to ... would people be as quick to give defence the Nazi youth? | |||
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"I guess she meets the rules so yes. I do have mixed _iews as she was young and naive, her fellow traveler was killed and her babies have died. All in all a horrible situation but some authentic remorse would serve her well. How do you judge that authentic remorse? Someone able to fake what appears to be sincerity would be successful but someone traumatised and numbed, masking their feelings would fail. Only she will know if her sincerity is genuine, but I would hope it was.
Well hope springs eternal ....
But given that she supported the Manchester bomber in a recent inter_iew , it would be hard to believe her if she claimed she was remorseful .
She likened it to the bombing of women and children she witnessed. There's plenty of tit for tat that appears on here. Context is all.
Well if you think that Shamima saying there is ‘ fair justification ‘ in a bombing of a stadium full of innocent people at a concert by comparing it to western bombing of isis state full of Terrorists , then that’s cool . But I personally think it’s a ridiculous comparison .
I know you do. Your several threads about this young woman has made your point of _iew absolutely clear. Many on here support your _iew. All I ask is that people consider the context, her age and the different treatment she has been meted compared to men who actually killed people. But, the black and white world you and others appear to live in has no room for that.
Once again, I'm out and I'll leave you all to condemn this young woman. I truly hope none of your (wider than the OP) children ever do anything so serious that is requires others to forgive them.
"Whilst I agree that, as a somewhat naïve 15 year-old she might be forgiven for the actions she took, her behaviour since then hardly shows her in a good light. She was part of the ISIS "morality police", carrying a weapon and enforcing the ideology of ISIS on other women, she helped sew up suicide vests, and her words about the Manchester bombing show that she still sympathises with ISIS. | |||
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"I guess she meets the rules so yes. I do have mixed _iews as she was young and naive, her fellow traveler was killed and her babies have died. All in all a horrible situation but some authentic remorse would serve her well. How do you judge that authentic remorse? Someone able to fake what appears to be sincerity would be successful but someone traumatised and numbed, masking their feelings would fail. Only she will know if her sincerity is genuine, but I would hope it was.
Well hope springs eternal ....
But given that she supported the Manchester bomber in a recent inter_iew , it would be hard to believe her if she claimed she was remorseful .
She likened it to the bombing of women and children she witnessed. There's plenty of tit for tat that appears on here. Context is all.
Well if you think that Shamima saying there is ‘ fair justification ‘ in a bombing of a stadium full of innocent people at a concert by comparing it to western bombing of isis state full of Terrorists , then that’s cool . But I personally think it’s a ridiculous comparison ."Well a lot of isis is former Iraqi army/civilians. For them thier perspective is they were in thier homes, doing thier jobs and living thier lives when for reasons beyond their control 2 of the worlds largest armed forces turn up and bomb the shit out of everything | |||
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"Maybe once she realised what a fucking stupid decision it was to go there, witnessing atrocities, she thought for her own survival she had better do those things. Maybe." My head or yours ? Yours please. Hello View x | |||
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"Maybe once she realised what a fucking stupid decision it was to go there, witnessing atrocities, she thought for her own survival she had better do those things. Maybe. My head or yours ? Yours please. Hello View x" Big hugs Granny xx | |||
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"Well it turns out she was in the morality police and an enforcer who helped sew people into bomb vests so they couldnt remove them. We're effectively spending money to help the equivalent of a Gestapo officer :/ And this is why I feel so out of place on fab . The forum never ceases to amaze me with its ideology . I read she aimed a loaded rifle at another woman because she was wearing the wrong colour shoes too . In a crowded street , and this was on Euro News website , not the Daily Mail . I understand your confusion, I feel endless confusion at how people don’t understand how radicalisation happens. But surely if she is left in Syria it acts as a deterrent to others here who may be susceptible to the same radicalisation ? If we allow her back , and try to put her straight , then no one will be wary of going down the same route as she did . " I don’t agree. This is a poor parallel in many ways but I’m tired (sorry); so some of the best gang exit work I have seen done is from former gang members working to support and help rehabilitate current gang members. So, simply on that basis I don’t think what you think works as a deterrent actually does in the real set up of this type of thing. Rehabilitating her (and her facing any consequences here), I believe works better in the long run as leaving her there and making her stateless (which is an issue in itself) actually just fuels more anger and potential for continued radicalisation. | |||
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"I guess she meets the rules so yes. I do have mixed _iews as she was young and naive, her fellow traveler was killed and her babies have died. All in all a horrible situation but some authentic remorse would serve her well." | |||
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"Maybe once she realised what a fucking stupid decision it was to go there, witnessing atrocities, she thought for her own survival she had better do those things. Maybe." Hello stranger! | |||
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"Maybe once she realised what a fucking stupid decision it was to go there, witnessing atrocities, she thought for her own survival she had better do those things. Maybe. Hello stranger!" Hiya x | |||
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"Its an utter joke we reject her citizenship yet she still gets legal aid paid for by my damn taxes no wonder more and more are finding creative ways to hide from the tax man fuck you Corbin fuck you law its like they want civil war" Out of interest where does Corbin come in to this? | |||
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"However loathsome she us, how can people not be concerned that the British government have illegally made her stateless. Regardless of what she's done the wider implications of the government's actions are incredibly worrying and scary " Yes quite concerning that they perhaps listened to the mood of the country and acted accordingly  | |||
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"Well it turns out she was in the morality police and an enforcer who helped sew people into bomb vests so they couldnt remove them. We're effectively spending money to help the equivalent of a Gestapo officer :/ And this is why I feel so out of place on fab . The forum never ceases to amaze me with its ideology . I read she aimed a loaded rifle at another woman because she was wearing the wrong colour shoes too . In a crowded street , and this was on Euro News website , not the Daily Mail . It doesn't matter. Whatever she's done, she's entitled to a fair hearing, and that means legal aid. If we step away from that, we're no better than ISIS." What about residents of this country don’t they have a right to live safely with their families.I mean this lady is a hardline fundamentalist who’s been complicit in beatings torture and terrorism but if she’s accepted back and so called de radicalised then she has to live with someone or next to someone.Maybe her richly paid human rights lawyers should put her up in their neighbourhood | |||
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"Its an utter joke we reject her citizenship yet she still gets legal aid paid for by my damn taxes no wonder more and more are finding creative ways to hide from the tax man fuck you Corbin fuck you law its like they want civil war Out of interest where does Corbin come in to this?" he said it was the right thing to do yet again showing his true terrorist loving nature | |||
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"Its an utter joke we reject her citizenship yet she still gets legal aid paid for by my damn taxes no wonder more and more are finding creative ways to hide from the tax man fuck you Corbin fuck you law its like they want civil war Out of interest where does Corbin come in to this?he said it was the right thing to do yet again showing his true terrorist loving nature" Oh pull the other one, that’s media consumed blither. | |||
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"Well it turns out she was in the morality police and an enforcer who helped sew people into bomb vests so they couldnt remove them. We're effectively spending money to help the equivalent of a Gestapo officer :/ And this is why I feel so out of place on fab . The forum never ceases to amaze me with its ideology . I read she aimed a loaded rifle at another woman because she was wearing the wrong colour shoes too . In a crowded street , and this was on Euro News website , not the Daily Mail . It doesn't matter. Whatever she's done, she's entitled to a fair hearing, and that means legal aid. If we step away from that, we're no better than ISIS. What about residents of this country don’t they have a right to live safely with their families.I mean this lady is a hardline fundamentalist who’s been complicit in beatings torture and terrorism but if she’s accepted back and so called de radicalised then she has to live with someone or next to someone.Maybe her richly paid human rights lawyers should put her up in their neighbourhood " Yeah because we’re all suggesting she’s not monitored and allowed to live completely freely. Eye roll. | |||
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"Yes. The will be a test case. It's important. 400 men who fought for IS were accepted back into this country. A woman who was a child when she left has been treated more harshly, and unfairly, than grown men making a decision to kill. I wondered how long you would take to post this, OP. Longer than I thought. " Makes no difference man or woman or age for that matter. Fact is it was a conscious decision so she(and the others) have made their beds....... FWIW those 400 should Norway have been allowed back either. | |||
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"Yes. The will be a test case. It's important. 400 men who fought for IS were accepted back into this country. A woman who was a child when she left has been treated more harshly, and unfairly, than grown men making a decision to kill. I wondered how long you would take to post this, OP. Longer than I thought. Makes no difference man or woman or age for that matter. Fact is it was a conscious decision so she(and the others) have made their beds....... FWIW those 400 should Norway have been allowed back either." . No way not Norway ! | |||
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"The rules should be pretty simple, if you join a terrorist organisation then you've committed treason and should have your citizenship stripped and be exiled. Left to your own devices to try to find another country to take you in " What about radicalisation? Do people actually spend as much time learning about these things or is it easier and more fun to condemn and judge? It makes me really sad for the state of people’s compassion and knowledge of effects of trauma. | |||
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"The rules should be pretty simple, if you join a terrorist organisation then you've committed treason and should have your citizenship stripped and be exiled. Left to your own devices to try to find another country to take you in What about radicalisation? Do people actually spend as much time learning about these things or is it easier and more fun to condemn and judge? It makes me really sad for the state of people’s compassion and knowledge of effects of trauma." It’s a valid point but I wonder if the poor lamb would be as keen to return if ISIS wasn’t in retreat and her fella hadn’t been captured? One one hand it’s a possibly a fair point about radicalisation, but on the other always _iewing such people as victims can be naive - from the (albeit limited) footage I’ve seen of her she seemed to show little compassion to the fellas whose heads she found in her dustbin.. | |||
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"The rules should be pretty simple, if you join a terrorist organisation then you've committed treason and should have your citizenship stripped and be exiled. Left to your own devices to try to find another country to take you in What about radicalisation? Do people actually spend as much time learning about these things or is it easier and more fun to condemn and judge? It makes me really sad for the state of people’s compassion and knowledge of effects of trauma. It’s a valid point but I wonder if the poor lamb would be as keen to return if ISIS wasn’t in retreat and her fella hadn’t been captured? One one hand it’s a possibly a fair point about radicalisation, but on the other always _iewing such people as victims can be naive - from the (albeit limited) footage I’ve seen of her she seemed to show little compassion to the fellas whose heads she found in her dustbin.. " Viewing her as the victim is not he point though is it? That's a very emotive line to go down. Sounds a bit possibly sensationalist. Not that the gutter media would do that I'm sure(don't know if they have, yet wouldn't be surprised). The point is that in a democracy everyone should have rights. Rule of law. And representation. All that. Denying her her rights is more dangerous than anything she may have done. | |||
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"She's British. So of course. Otherwise where would all our rights be. It's a dangerous road when some are denied rights because they're not 'British', or because of public outcry. One you deny others their right, you're effectively laying the ground for denying others their rights too. Or your own. And you wouldn't want that precedent being set. Or would you?" People are denied rights all the time. Ask any divorced father with kids | |||
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"The rules should be pretty simple, if you join a terrorist organisation then you've committed treason and should have your citizenship stripped and be exiled. Left to your own devices to try to find another country to take you in What about radicalisation? Do people actually spend as much time learning about these things or is it easier and more fun to condemn and judge? It makes me really sad for the state of people’s compassion and knowledge of effects of trauma. It’s a valid point but I wonder if the poor lamb would be as keen to return if ISIS wasn’t in retreat and her fella hadn’t been captured? One one hand it’s a possibly a fair point about radicalisation, but on the other always _iewing such people as victims can be naive - from the (albeit limited) footage I’ve seen of her she seemed to show little compassion to the fellas whose heads she found in her dustbin.. " Why would she? That kind of thing has been normalised because of the age at which she was taken - it's the same thing you see in child soldiers elsewhere. | |||
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"I find the differing attitudes of people towards white girls groomed by gangs who remained in this country and a non-white girl groomed by a gang (essentially to be bred) and taken abroad to be brainwashed and impregnated quite baffling. " Good one Bringing race into the equation. She's a nasty piece of shit, associated with some horrific acts of inhumanity. I don't think it matters what colour her skin is, but as a white person - you do? Why? | |||
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"I find the differing attitudes of people towards white girls groomed by gangs who remained in this country and a non-white girl groomed by a gang (essentially to be bred) and taken abroad to be brainwashed and impregnated quite baffling. Good one Bringing race into the equation. She's a nasty piece of shit, associated with some horrific acts of inhumanity. I don't think it matters what colour her skin is, but as a white person - you do? Why?"You seem to have (possibly deliberately) missed my point. | |||
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"I find the differing attitudes of people towards white girls groomed by gangs who remained in this country and a non-white girl groomed by a gang (essentially to be bred) and taken abroad to be brainwashed and impregnated quite baffling. " Except she wasn't groomed. They didn't approach her. She looked them up herself, sold jewelry to buy tickets and stole her sister's passport to travel. They had nothing to do with her traveling out to them, she did that of her own choice and free will. | |||
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"The rules should be pretty simple, if you join a terrorist organisation then you've committed treason and should have your citizenship stripped and be exiled. Left to your own devices to try to find another country to take you in What about radicalisation? Do people actually spend as much time learning about these things or is it easier and more fun to condemn and judge? It makes me really sad for the state of people’s compassion and knowledge of effects of trauma. It’s a valid point but I wonder if the poor lamb would be as keen to return if ISIS wasn’t in retreat and her fella hadn’t been captured? One one hand it’s a possibly a fair point about radicalisation, but on the other always _iewing such people as victims can be naive - from the (albeit limited) footage I’ve seen of her she seemed to show little compassion to the fellas whose heads she found in her dustbin.. " And that shows a naive understanding of radicalisation to expect her to show compassion. | |||
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"I find the differing attitudes of people towards white girls groomed by gangs who remained in this country and a non-white girl groomed by a gang (essentially to be bred) and taken abroad to be brainwashed and impregnated quite baffling. Except she wasn't groomed. They didn't approach her. She looked them up herself, sold jewelry to buy tickets and stole her sister's passport to travel. They had nothing to do with her traveling out to them, she did that of her own choice and free will. " Exactly , but this doesn’t suit the agenda of those who are claiming she is a victim in all this . | |||
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"I find the differing attitudes of people towards white girls groomed by gangs who remained in this country and a non-white girl groomed by a gang (essentially to be bred) and taken abroad to be brainwashed and impregnated quite baffling. " Agreed. | |||
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"Leaving aside the morality of her actions, I would like to see the decision of the UK Government tested in a court of law. Stripping someone of their British citizenship, rendering an individual stateless and a "citizen of no-where", might be popular but all the evidence suggests it is illegal. If the battle with ISIS is about anything, surely it is about upholding the rule of law and the rights we too often take for granted. " rule of law means nothing if it can be made at the whim of a government minister. It needs testing in court.
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"I find the differing attitudes of people towards white girls groomed by gangs who remained in this country and a non-white girl groomed by a gang (essentially to be bred) and taken abroad to be brainwashed and impregnated quite baffling. Good one Bringing race into the equation. She's a nasty piece of shit, associated with some horrific acts of inhumanity. I don't think it matters what colour her skin is, but as a white person - you do? Why?"Because the parallel of differing reaction and judgement of grooming/radicalising of a child of one race and of another is being pointed out. Or does that not matter? | |||
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"I find the differing attitudes of people towards white girls groomed by gangs who remained in this country and a non-white girl groomed by a gang (essentially to be bred) and taken abroad to be brainwashed and impregnated quite baffling. Except she wasn't groomed. They didn't approach her. She looked them up herself, sold jewelry to buy tickets and stole her sister's passport to travel. They had nothing to do with her traveling out to them, she did that of her own choice and free will. " Perhaps learn about radicalisation and how it occurs then. | |||
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"I find the differing attitudes of people towards white girls groomed by gangs who remained in this country and a non-white girl groomed by a gang (essentially to be bred) and taken abroad to be brainwashed and impregnated quite baffling. Agreed." Oh come on ! These girls aren’t supporting bombing and murder of Western citizens . They aren’t committing treason . They haven’t voluntarily left the UK to join and support a terrorist organisation bearing arms . | |||
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"I find the differing attitudes of people towards white girls groomed by gangs who remained in this country and a non-white girl groomed by a gang (essentially to be bred) and taken abroad to be brainwashed and impregnated quite baffling. Good one Bringing race into the equation. She's a nasty piece of shit, associated with some horrific acts of inhumanity. I don't think it matters what colour her skin is, but as a white person - you do? Why?
Because the parallel of differing reaction and judgement of grooming/radicalising of a child of one race and of another is being pointed out. Or does that not matter?"More than a whiff of dog whistle politics, agreed. | |||
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"I find the differing attitudes of people towards white girls groomed by gangs who remained in this country and a non-white girl groomed by a gang (essentially to be bred) and taken abroad to be brainwashed and impregnated quite baffling. Except she wasn't groomed. They didn't approach her. She looked them up herself, sold jewelry to buy tickets and stole her sister's passport to travel. They had nothing to do with her traveling out to them, she did that of her own choice and free will. Exactly , but this doesn’t suit the agenda of those who are claiming she is a victim in all this . " No one is saying that someone from IS rang her up and said hey, come on over. That’s not how radicalisation necessarily works - that’s equating it to online grooming of say an individual paedophile. It’s like comparing the economics of a country to managing your household monthly budget, which is stupid. (Awaiting someone telling me that’s how the economics of a country should be managed so I can facepalm and go to bed!!) | |||
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"I find the differing attitudes of people towards white girls groomed by gangs who remained in this country and a non-white girl groomed by a gang (essentially to be bred) and taken abroad to be brainwashed and impregnated quite baffling. Agreed. Oh come on ! These girls aren’t supporting bombing and murder of Western citizens . They aren’t committing treason . They haven’t voluntarily left the UK to join and support a terrorist organisation bearing arms . " Absolutely valid point! I think Jimi(soz mate) gave a problematic analogy for that very reason. But I think he's making a general grooming of people point based on people's perceptions of them based on race. Which needs looking at. | |||
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"(Awaiting someone telling me that’s how the economics of a country should be managed so I can facepalm and go to bed!!) "You mean wasting money on electricity and taxes, instead of booze & women, with sudden irrational splurges on weird ideas that look like fun... Come to think of it, my home last few governments... Pretty similar
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"I find the differing attitudes of people towards white girls groomed by gangs who remained in this country and a non-white girl groomed by a gang (essentially to be bred) and taken abroad to be brainwashed and impregnated quite baffling. Good one Bringing race into the equation. She's a nasty piece of shit, associated with some horrific acts of inhumanity. I don't think it matters what colour her skin is, but as a white person - you do? Why?
Because the parallel of differing reaction and judgement of grooming/radicalising of a child of one race and of another is being pointed out. Or does that not matter?"There is no parallel because no evidence was offered in the post that this is actually true. It's just more bandwagon jumping. | |||
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"Well it turns out she was in the morality police and an enforcer who helped sew people into bomb vests so they couldnt remove them. We're effectively spending money to help the equivalent of a Gestapo officer :/ And this is why I feel so out of place on fab . The forum never ceases to amaze me with its ideology . I read she aimed a loaded rifle at another woman because she was wearing the wrong colour shoes too . In a crowded street , and this was on Euro News website , not the Daily Mail ." But the point is we live under the rule of law and the law applies to everyone no matter how awful they are. She could be the most awful person in the world and if the government had revoked her citizenship in a legally dubious way (as it has), she's entitled to challenge that and if she hasn't got money to pay for a legal case (which she hasn't) agw should get legal aid. If we start saying people don't have access to the law because the government considers them bad people we're going down a very scary road. | |||
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"I find the differing attitudes of people towards white girls groomed by gangs who remained in this country and a non-white girl groomed by a gang (essentially to be bred) and taken abroad to be brainwashed and impregnated quite baffling. Good one Bringing race into the equation. She's a nasty piece of shit, associated with some horrific acts of inhumanity. I don't think it matters what colour her skin is, but as a white person - you do? Why?
You seem to have (possibly deliberately) missed my point. "Ok, how about this then. The white girls who were victims of grooming by Asian gangs in this country were r*ped and horribly abused, both physically and mentally. This brown girl who was groomed by a different Asian gang willingly took part in some of the most horrific and inhumane atrocities the 21st Century has so far seen. Do you understand the differing attitudes now? | |||
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"I find the differing attitudes of people towards white girls groomed by gangs who remained in this country and a non-white girl groomed by a gang (essentially to be bred) and taken abroad to be brainwashed and impregnated quite baffling. Good one Bringing race into the equation. She's a nasty piece of shit, associated with some horrific acts of inhumanity. I don't think it matters what colour her skin is, but as a white person - you do? Why?
You seem to have (possibly deliberately) missed my point.
Ok, how about this then. The white girls who were victims of grooming by Asian gangs in this country were r*ped and horribly abused, both physically and mentally. This brown girl who was groomed by a different Asian gang willingly took part in some of the most horrific and inhumane atrocities the 21st Century has so far seen. Do you understand the differing attitudes now?"You seem not to understand grooming. She was 15, she was therefore repeatedly r*ped and made to carry the babies to term. | |||
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"I find the differing attitudes of people towards white girls groomed by gangs who remained in this country and a non-white girl groomed by a gang (essentially to be bred) and taken abroad to be brainwashed and impregnated quite baffling. Good one Bringing race into the equation. She's a nasty piece of shit, associated with some horrific acts of inhumanity. I don't think it matters what colour her skin is, but as a white person - you do? Why?
You seem to have (possibly deliberately) missed my point.
Ok, how about this then. The white girls who were victims of grooming by Asian gangs in this country were r*ped and horribly abused, both physically and mentally. This brown girl who was groomed by a different Asian gang willingly took part in some of the most horrific and inhumane atrocities the 21st Century has so far seen. Do you understand the differing attitudes now?
You seem not to understand grooming. She was 15, she was therefore repeatedly r*ped and made to carry the babies to term. "No, you don't understand grooming. She willingly took part in acts that every human being knows were wrong. It was her choice. At age 15, she was married in accordance with Islamic law in the country she chose to go to. Just because the UK has decided that the legal age to wed is 16 doesn't make it illegal, or wrong, in the country and situation of her choice. Who are you to question their culture? | |||
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"An obvious racially and culturally opinionated touchlight thread ..... The whole pretence is to amalgamate certain words to continue the bash race, religion, perception, ....come on guys your more intelligent than this " Well I for one , don’t understand what you are trying to get at here . Should she get legal aid or not ? | |||
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"I find the differing attitudes of people towards white girls groomed by gangs who remained in this country and a non-white girl groomed by a gang (essentially to be bred) and taken abroad to be brainwashed and impregnated quite baffling. Good one Bringing race into the equation. She's a nasty piece of shit, associated with some horrific acts of inhumanity. I don't think it matters what colour her skin is, but as a white person - you do? Why?
You seem to have (possibly deliberately) missed my point.
Ok, how about this then. The white girls who were victims of grooming by Asian gangs in this country were r*ped and horribly abused, both physically and mentally. This brown girl who was groomed by a different Asian gang willingly took part in some of the most horrific and inhumane atrocities the 21st Century has so far seen. Do you understand the differing attitudes now?
You seem not to understand grooming. She was 15, she was therefore repeatedly r*ped and made to carry the babies to term.
No, you don't understand grooming. She willingly took part in acts that every human being knows were wrong. It was her choice. At age 15, she was married in accordance with Islamic law in the country she chose to go to. Just because the UK has decided that the legal age to wed is 16 doesn't make it illegal, or wrong, in the country and situation of her choice. Who are you to question their culture?"Because a 15 year old is physiologically and psychologically a child, regardless of legislation. | |||
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"I find the differing attitudes of people towards white girls groomed by gangs who remained in this country and a non-white girl groomed by a gang (essentially to be bred) and taken abroad to be brainwashed and impregnated quite baffling. Except she wasn't groomed. They didn't approach her. She looked them up herself, sold jewelry to buy tickets and stole her sister's passport to travel. They had nothing to do with her traveling out to them, she did that of her own choice and free will. Perhaps learn about radicalisation and how it occurs then." I know all about it and she’s still an evil bitch with no remorse who deserves shit all from this country | |||
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"I find the differing attitudes of people towards white girls groomed by gangs who remained in this country and a non-white girl groomed by a gang (essentially to be bred) and taken abroad to be brainwashed and impregnated quite baffling. Good one Bringing race into the equation. She's a nasty piece of shit, associated with some horrific acts of inhumanity. I don't think it matters what colour her skin is, but as a white person - you do? Why?
You seem to have (possibly deliberately) missed my point.
Ok, how about this then. The white girls who were victims of grooming by Asian gangs in this country were r*ped and horribly abused, both physically and mentally. This brown girl who was groomed by a different Asian gang willingly took part in some of the most horrific and inhumane atrocities the 21st Century has so far seen. Do you understand the differing attitudes now?
You seem not to understand grooming. She was 15, she was therefore repeatedly r*ped and made to carry the babies to term.
No, you don't understand grooming. She willingly took part in acts that every human being knows were wrong. It was her choice. At age 15, she was married in accordance with Islamic law in the country she chose to go to. Just because the UK has decided that the legal age to wed is 16 doesn't make it illegal, or wrong, in the country and situation of her choice. Who are you to question their culture?
Because a 15 year old is physiologically and psychologically a child, regardless of legislation. "I thought that physiologically and psychologically there was a stage called a d o l e s c e n c e?  | |||
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"I find the differing attitudes of people towards white girls groomed by gangs who remained in this country and a non-white girl groomed by a gang (essentially to be bred) and taken abroad to be brainwashed and impregnated quite baffling. Good one Bringing race into the equation. She's a nasty piece of shit, associated with some horrific acts of inhumanity. I don't think it matters what colour her skin is, but as a white person - you do? Why?
You seem to have (possibly deliberately) missed my point.
Ok, how about this then. The white girls who were victims of grooming by Asian gangs in this country were r*ped and horribly abused, both physically and mentally. This brown girl who was groomed by a different Asian gang willingly took part in some of the most horrific and inhumane atrocities the 21st Century has so far seen. Do you understand the differing attitudes now?
You seem not to understand grooming. She was 15, she was therefore repeatedly r*ped and made to carry the babies to term.
No, you don't understand grooming. She willingly took part in acts that every human being knows were wrong. It was her choice. At age 15, she was married in accordance with Islamic law in the country she chose to go to. Just because the UK has decided that the legal age to wed is 16 doesn't make it illegal, or wrong, in the country and situation of her choice. Who are you to question their culture?
Because a 15 year old is physiologically and psychologically a child, regardless of legislation.
I thought that physiologically and psychologically there was a stage called a d o l e s c e n c e? "Which is a stage of childhood. | |||
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"I find the differing attitudes of people towards white girls groomed by gangs who remained in this country and a non-white girl groomed by a gang (essentially to be bred) and taken abroad to be brainwashed and impregnated quite baffling. Good one Bringing race into the equation. She's a nasty piece of shit, associated with some horrific acts of inhumanity. I don't think it matters what colour her skin is, but as a white person - you do? Why?
You seem to have (possibly deliberately) missed my point.
Ok, how about this then. The white girls who were victims of grooming by Asian gangs in this country were r*ped and horribly abused, both physically and mentally. This brown girl who was groomed by a different Asian gang willingly took part in some of the most horrific and inhumane atrocities the 21st Century has so far seen. Do you understand the differing attitudes now?
You seem not to understand grooming. She was 15, she was therefore repeatedly r*ped and made to carry the babies to term.
No, you don't understand grooming. She willingly took part in acts that every human being knows were wrong. It was her choice. At age 15, she was married in accordance with Islamic law in the country she chose to go to. Just because the UK has decided that the legal age to wed is 16 doesn't make it illegal, or wrong, in the country and situation of her choice. Who are you to question their culture?
Because a 15 year old is physiologically and psychologically a child, regardless of legislation. "Are you being serious now? A human being is no longer physiologically and psychologically a child after they've reached puberty. That's just basic biology. | |||
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" Which is a stage of childhood." You're just assigning your own white male western values to a an Asian female. What right have you to do that? | |||
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"I find the differing attitudes of people towards white girls groomed by gangs who remained in this country and a non-white girl groomed by a gang (essentially to be bred) and taken abroad to be brainwashed and impregnated quite baffling. Good one Bringing race into the equation. She's a nasty piece of shit, associated with some horrific acts of inhumanity. I don't think it matters what colour her skin is, but as a white person - you do? Why?
You seem to have (possibly deliberately) missed my point.
Ok, how about this then. The white girls who were victims of grooming by Asian gangs in this country were r*ped and horribly abused, both physically and mentally. This brown girl who was groomed by a different Asian gang willingly took part in some of the most horrific and inhumane atrocities the 21st Century has so far seen. Do you understand the differing attitudes now?
You seem not to understand grooming. She was 15, she was therefore repeatedly r*ped and made to carry the babies to term.
No, you don't understand grooming. She willingly took part in acts that every human being knows were wrong. It was her choice. At age 15, she was married in accordance with Islamic law in the country she chose to go to. Just because the UK has decided that the legal age to wed is 16 doesn't make it illegal, or wrong, in the country and situation of her choice. Who are you to question their culture?
Because a 15 year old is physiologically and psychologically a child, regardless of legislation.
I thought that physiologically and psychologically there was a stage called a d o l e s c e n c e?
Which is a stage of childhood."So human beings magically jump from childhood to adulthood...... | |||
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"I find the differing attitudes of people towards white girls groomed by gangs who remained in this country and a non-white girl groomed by a gang (essentially to be bred) and taken abroad to be brainwashed and impregnated quite baffling. Good one Bringing race into the equation. She's a nasty piece of shit, associated with some horrific acts of inhumanity. I don't think it matters what colour her skin is, but as a white person - you do? Why?
You seem to have (possibly deliberately) missed my point.
Ok, how about this then. The white girls who were victims of grooming by Asian gangs in this country were r*ped and horribly abused, both physically and mentally. This brown girl who was groomed by a different Asian gang willingly took part in some of the most horrific and inhumane atrocities the 21st Century has so far seen. Do you understand the differing attitudes now?
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"The rules should be pretty simple, if you join a terrorist organisation then you've committed treason and should have your citizenship stripped and be exiled. Left to your own devices to try to find another country to take you in What about radicalisation? Do people actually spend as much time learning about these things or is it easier and more fun to condemn and judge? It makes me really sad for the state of people’s compassion and knowledge of effects of trauma. It’s a valid point but I wonder if the poor lamb would be as keen to return if ISIS wasn’t in retreat and her fella hadn’t been captured? One one hand it’s a possibly a fair point about radicalisation, but on the other always _iewing such people as victims can be naive - from the (albeit limited) footage I’ve seen of her she seemed to show little compassion to the fellas whose heads she found in her dustbin.. And that shows a naive understanding of radicalisation to expect her to show compassion. " How do we decide / ascertain who has been radicalised and who hasn’t? Is the solution to assume all who opt to fight against our country have been radicalised and show them all compassion and reintegrate them into British society? I genuinely like that you have a very positive _iew of humanity, I suspect that showing unlimited compassion to those who themselves have been radicalised so much that they show no compassion themselves is a recipe for disaster. I’m all for the utopia of assuming the best in everyone, and I’m (normally) a great believer in giving people second chances. In this case however, I don’t feel that she was unwillingly brainwashed or radicalised although I do respect her right to an appeal (but hope she loses it.) | |||
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" Which is a stage of childhood. You're just assigning your own white male western values to a an Asian female. What right have you to do that?" No, I'm applying the biological and psychological research that underpins how we deal with children, but nice try. | |||
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"I find the differing attitudes of people towards white girls groomed by gangs who remained in this country and a non-white girl groomed by a gang (essentially to be bred) and taken abroad to be brainwashed and impregnated quite baffling. Good one Bringing race into the equation. She's a nasty piece of shit, associated with some horrific acts of inhumanity. I don't think it matters what colour her skin is, but as a white person - you do? Why?
You seem to have (possibly deliberately) missed my point.
Ok, how about this then. The white girls who were victims of grooming by Asian gangs in this country were r*ped and horribly abused, both physically and mentally. This brown girl who was groomed by a different Asian gang willingly took part in some of the most horrific and inhumane atrocities the 21st Century has so far seen. Do you understand the differing attitudes now?
You seem not to understand grooming. She was 15, she was therefore repeatedly r*ped and made to carry the babies to term.
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"I find the differing attitudes of people towards white girls groomed by gangs who remained in this country and a non-white girl groomed by a gang (essentially to be bred) and taken abroad to be brainwashed and impregnated quite baffling. Good one Bringing race into the equation. She's a nasty piece of shit, associated with some horrific acts of inhumanity. I don't think it matters what colour her skin is, but as a white person - you do? Why?
You seem to have (possibly deliberately) missed my point.
Ok, how about this then. The white girls who were victims of grooming by Asian gangs in this country were r*ped and horribly abused, both physically and mentally. This brown girl who was groomed by a different Asian gang willingly took part in some of the most horrific and inhumane atrocities the 21st Century has so far seen. Do you understand the differing attitudes now?
You seem not to understand grooming. She was 15, she was therefore repeatedly r*ped and made to carry the babies to term.
I thought she was married to a dutchman? Did she say she was r8ped?
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"The rules should be pretty simple, if you join a terrorist organisation then you've committed treason and should have your citizenship stripped and be exiled. Left to your own devices to try to find another country to take you in What about radicalisation? Do people actually spend as much time learning about these things or is it easier and more fun to condemn and judge? It makes me really sad for the state of people’s compassion and knowledge of effects of trauma. It’s a valid point but I wonder if the poor lamb would be as keen to return if ISIS wasn’t in retreat and her fella hadn’t been captured? One one hand it’s a possibly a fair point about radicalisation, but on the other always _iewing such people as victims can be naive - from the (albeit limited) footage I’ve seen of her she seemed to show little compassion to the fellas whose heads she found in her dustbin.. And that shows a naive understanding of radicalisation to expect her to show compassion. How do we decide / ascertain who has been radicalised and who hasn’t? Is the solution to assume all who opt to fight against our country have been radicalised and show them all compassion and reintegrate them into British society? I genuinely like that you have a very positive _iew of humanity, I suspect that showing unlimited compassion to those who themselves have been radicalised so much that they show no compassion themselves is a recipe for disaster. I’m all for the utopia of assuming the best in everyone, and I’m (normally) a great believer in giving people second chances. In this case however, I don’t feel that she was unwillingly brainwashed or radicalised although I do respect her right to an appeal (but hope she loses it.)" I've never suggested that she should be allowed to be turfed back out into society at large - her whole perception of normality has been skewed at a time when her brain and cognitive abilities were not fully developed. I imagine she will require extensive psychological treatment. | |||
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"I find the differing attitudes of people towards white girls groomed by gangs who remained in this country and a non-white girl groomed by a gang (essentially to be bred) and taken abroad to be brainwashed and impregnated quite baffling. Good one Bringing race into the equation. She's a nasty piece of shit, associated with some horrific acts of inhumanity. I don't think it matters what colour her skin is, but as a white person - you do? Why?
You seem to have (possibly deliberately) missed my point.
Ok, how about this then. The white girls who were victims of grooming by Asian gangs in this country were r*ped and horribly abused, both physically and mentally. This brown girl who was groomed by a different Asian gang willingly took part in some of the most horrific and inhumane atrocities the 21st Century has so far seen. Do you understand the differing attitudes now?
You seem not to understand grooming. She was 15, she was therefore repeatedly r*ped and made to carry the babies to term.
I thought she was married to a dutchman? Did she say she was r8ped?
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" Which is a stage of childhood. You're just assigning your own white male western values to a an Asian female. What right have you to do that? No, I'm applying the biological and psychological research that underpins how we deal with children, but nice try. " This isn't about point scoring. This about the future of a British citizen who needs justice. | |||
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" Which is a stage of childhood. You're just assigning your own white male western values to a an Asian female. What right have you to do that? No, I'm applying the biological and psychological research that underpins how we deal with children, but nice try. " When does a child become an adult? Is it at a certain age? 16th birthday? 17th? 18th? Or at a certain point of mental maturity, which is not necessarily age dependent? | |||
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"An obvious racially and culturally opinionated touchlight thread ..... The whole pretence is to amalgamate certain words to continue the bash race, religion, perception, ....come on guys your more intelligent than this Well I for one , don’t understand what you are trying to get at here . Should she get legal aid or not ? Based on what her situation ? " Ask the political refugees Britain has taken in despite the atrocities they have committed....politics wins over humanity | |||
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"I find the differing attitudes of people towards white girls groomed by gangs who remained in this country and a non-white girl groomed by a gang (essentially to be bred) and taken abroad to be brainwashed and impregnated quite baffling. Good one Bringing race into the equation. She's a nasty piece of shit, associated with some horrific acts of inhumanity. I don't think it matters what colour her skin is, but as a white person - you do? Why?
You seem to have (possibly deliberately) missed my point.
Ok, how about this then. The white girls who were victims of grooming by Asian gangs in this country were r*ped and horribly abused, both physically and mentally. This brown girl who was groomed by a different Asian gang willingly took part in some of the most horrific and inhumane atrocities the 21st Century has so far seen. Do you understand the differing attitudes now?
You seem not to understand grooming. She was 15, she was therefore repeatedly r*ped and made to carry the babies to term.
I thought she was married to a dutchman? Did she say she was r8ped?
Sex is r*pe if you are not able to consent, one of those instances is if you are a child.
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"I find the differing attitudes of people towards white girls groomed by gangs who remained in this country and a non-white girl groomed by a gang (essentially to be bred) and taken abroad to be brainwashed and impregnated quite baffling. Good one Bringing race into the equation. She's a nasty piece of shit, associated with some horrific acts of inhumanity. I don't think it matters what colour her skin is, but as a white person - you do? Why?
You seem to have (possibly deliberately) missed my point.
Ok, how about this then. The white girls who were victims of grooming by Asian gangs in this country were r*ped and horribly abused, both physically and mentally. This brown girl who was groomed by a different Asian gang willingly took part in some of the most horrific and inhumane atrocities the 21st Century has so far seen. Do you understand the differing attitudes now?
You seem not to understand grooming. She was 15, she was therefore repeatedly r*ped and made to carry the babies to term.
I thought she was married to a dutchman? Did she say she was r8ped?
Sex is r*pe if you are not able to consent, one of those instances is if you are a child.
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I neither know nor care.
It's kind of important in this case. You can't push your idea of what you think r8pe is onto this woman. You're belittling her choices. Kinda "I know whats best for her because I'm a western man, therefore my values are correct" appreciate her choices, and let her answer for them. Respect her as a woman. Don't undervalue her because you think you know what's best. "
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"I find the differing attitudes of people towards white girls groomed by gangs who remained in this country and a non-white girl groomed by a gang (essentially to be bred) and taken abroad to be brainwashed and impregnated quite baffling. Good one Bringing race into the equation. She's a nasty piece of shit, associated with some horrific acts of inhumanity. I don't think it matters what colour her skin is, but as a white person - you do? Why?
You seem to have (possibly deliberately) missed my point.
Ok, how about this then. The white girls who were victims of grooming by Asian gangs in this country were r*ped and horribly abused, both physically and mentally. This brown girl who was groomed by a different Asian gang willingly took part in some of the most horrific and inhumane atrocities the 21st Century has so far seen. Do you understand the differing attitudes now?
You seem not to understand grooming. She was 15, she was therefore repeatedly r*ped and made to carry the babies to term.
I thought she was married to a dutchman? Did she say she was r8ped?
Sex is r*pe if you are not able to consent, one of those instances is if you are a child.
What was the age of consent in the
caliphate?
I neither know nor care.
It's kind of important in this case. You can't push your idea of what you think r8pe is onto this woman. You're belittling her choices. Kinda "I know whats best for her because I'm a western man, therefore my values are correct" appreciate her choices, and let her answer for them. Respect her as a woman. Don't undervalue her because you think you know what's best.
Fuck off, Clem. "The patriarchy is strong in this one... | |||
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"I find the differing attitudes of people towards white girls groomed by gangs who remained in this country and a non-white girl groomed by a gang (essentially to be bred) and taken abroad to be brainwashed and impregnated quite baffling. Good one Bringing race into the equation. She's a nasty piece of shit, associated with some horrific acts of inhumanity. I don't think it matters what colour her skin is, but as a white person - you do? Why?
You seem to have (possibly deliberately) missed my point.
Ok, how about this then. The white girls who were victims of grooming by Asian gangs in this country were r*ped and horribly abused, both physically and mentally. This brown girl who was groomed by a different Asian gang willingly took part in some of the most horrific and inhumane atrocities the 21st Century has so far seen. Do you understand the differing attitudes now?
You seem not to understand grooming. She was 15, she was therefore repeatedly r*ped and made to carry the babies to term.
I thought she was married to a dutchman? Did she say she was r8ped?
Sex is r*pe if you are not able to consent, one of those instances is if you are a child. "So she was capable of stealing her sisters passport , packing her suitcases and travelling to Syria . Then marrying a Dutch isis fighter , having his kids and working to police other isis women , but she wasn’t able to consent to sex with her husband ? What a complete and utter load of crap ! And you then claim you neither know nor care what the age of consent is in Syria . Well it’s 15 so no laws were broken , so no r*pe committed , whatever you may think . | |||
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"I find the differing attitudes of people towards white girls groomed by gangs who remained in this country and a non-white girl groomed by a gang (essentially to be bred) and taken abroad to be brainwashed and impregnated quite baffling. Except she wasn't groomed. They didn't approach her. She looked them up herself, sold jewelry to buy tickets and stole her sister's passport to travel. They had nothing to do with her traveling out to them, she did that of her own choice and free will. Perhaps learn about radicalisation and how it occurs then. I know all about it and she’s still an evil bitch with no remorse who deserves shit all from this country " That's not the point. Why shouldnt she get legal aid? Bearing in mind she should never have had her nationality taken away from her. | |||
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"I find the differing attitudes of people towards white girls groomed by gangs who remained in this country and a non-white girl groomed by a gang (essentially to be bred) and taken abroad to be brainwashed and impregnated quite baffling. Except she wasn't groomed. They didn't approach her. She looked them up herself, sold jewelry to buy tickets and stole her sister's passport to travel. They had nothing to do with her traveling out to them, she did that of her own choice and free will. Perhaps learn about radicalisation and how it occurs then. I know all about it and she’s still an evil bitch with no remorse who deserves shit all from this country That's not the point. Why shouldnt she get legal aid? Bearing in mind she should never have had her nationality taken away from her. " I thought the point was that she HAS had her citizenship revoked, so with that in mind how is she eligible? Maybe im wrong. | |||
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"I thought the point was that she HAS had her citizenship revoked, so with that in mind how is she eligible? Maybe im wrong. " We have the right to defend ourselves against potential government tyrany, what ever she did she must have the right of legal appeal before judgement is confirmed. Personally I hope she loses and we can pass the problem along to Holland or Pakistan, but I defend her right to legal re_iew. | |||
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"She is no longer a British citizen, so how the hell did she get Legal Aid?" She hasn't, her parents have and they are British citizens. They are fighting on her behalf. That's my understanding of it. | |||
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"If people are worried about children being redicalised and brainwashed they should get the law to make it illegal to teach children under 16 any form of religion. Because its nothing more then child abuse. If teaching children religion was classed as child abuse islam would die out." Wouldn't that be extreme atheism? There is nothing wrong with any of the gods, nothing wrong with any of the systems of worship, the problem is with extremism. Humans are by nature tribal, give them 2 sides and they will pick one, that could be politics, religion, sexuality, football, basically anything. The solution is already known by 99% follow your tribe, but be accepting of others _iews. Banning things only causes more grief. Coming back to the thread, Muslim religion is just the same as Christian religion in that most who follow it, do so with a light touch, and accept others as equal human beings, a few actually a very small minority take an extreme _iew and want to convert or kill any that don't see things in the same way. | |||
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"Its an utter joke we reject her citizenship yet she still gets legal aid paid for by my damn taxes no wonder more and more are finding creative ways to hide from the tax man fuck you Corbin fuck you law its like they want civil war Out of interest where does Corbin come in to this?he said it was the right thing to do yet again showing his true terrorist loving nature Oh pull the other one, that’s media consumed blither." i only go by info im given wether its media or not its not like she emigrated to spain or australia she just to join a terrorist movement and on more than one occasion that muppet has backed these radical nut jobs who commit mass murder according to what i have seen on more than one media outlet | |||
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"I thought the point was that she HAS had her citizenship revoked, so with that in mind how is she eligible? Maybe im wrong. We have the right to defend ourselves against potential government tyrany, what ever she did she must have the right of legal appeal before judgement is confirmed. Personally I hope she loses and we can pass the problem along to Holland or Pakistan, but I defend her right to legal re_iew." Yes, fair enough. | |||
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"I'll say it again. It doesn't matter how awful anyone is, but no one should have the state impose serious penalties on them without a lawful decision of a court and if someone can't afford lawyers to argue the case for them, the state should pay for the lawyers. The day the state can decide someone is too bad to be allowed access to the law is the day fascism wins. Why does that even need saying? " Yep, that's really all that needs to be said on this topic. It's a shame a lot of people are too emotional to be able to step back from their dislike of an individual and understand how processes such as these underpin a just society. | |||
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"I'll say it again. It doesn't matter how awful anyone is, but no one should have the state impose serious penalties on them without a lawful decision of a court and if someone can't afford lawyers to argue the case for them, the state should pay for the lawyers. The day the state can decide someone is too bad to be allowed access to the law is the day fascism wins. Why does that even need saying? Yep, that's really all that needs to be said on this topic. It's a shame a lot of people are too emotional to be able to step back from their dislike of an individual and understand how processes such as these underpin a just society. " exactly, it's what makes cases such as that of James Bulger, such a success for the judicial system. | |||
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"I'll say it again. It doesn't matter how awful anyone is, but no one should have the state impose serious penalties on them without a lawful decision of a court and if someone can't afford lawyers to argue the case for them, the state should pay for the lawyers. The day the state can decide someone is too bad to be allowed access to the law is the day fascism wins. Why does that even need saying? Yep, that's really all that needs to be said on this topic. It's a shame a lot of people are too emotional to be able to step back from their dislike of an individual and understand how processes such as these underpin a just society. " Indeed and, of course, Begum herself won't see any of the money, it all goes directly to the lawyers. | |||
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"I have a hunch she wouldn't have been that bothered if the caliphate had succeeded." Yep, just how any criminal wouldn't have been bothered about legal aid if they hadn't been caught. | |||
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"I have a hunch she wouldn't have been that bothered if the caliphate had succeeded. Yep, just how any criminal wouldn't have been bothered about legal aid if they hadn't been caught. " So the big question is i guess, do we need people like her in our society? If the western world and it's liberal values are second best, what value will returning IS fighters and caliphate supporters bring? Will they be teaching the error of their ways, or working out how and why it went wrong on this occasion. | |||
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"I have a hunch she wouldn't have been that bothered if the caliphate had succeeded. Yep, just how any criminal wouldn't have been bothered about legal aid if they hadn't been caught. So the big question is i guess, do we need people like her in our society? If the western world and it's liberal values are second best, what value will returning IS fighters and caliphate supporters bring? Will they be teaching the error of their ways, or working out how and why it went wrong on this occasion. " I imagine in the short term, they can be useful in understanding how people are radicalised. | |||
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"I thought the point was that she HAS had her citizenship revoked, so with that in mind how is she eligible? Maybe im wrong. We have the right to defend ourselves against potential government tyrany, what ever she did she must have the right of legal appeal before judgement is confirmed. Personally I hope she loses and we can pass the problem along to Holland or Pakistan, but I defend her right to legal re_iew." this is essentially my _iew too. I’ll defend her right to appeal. But hope she loses it. | |||
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"I have a hunch she wouldn't have been that bothered if the caliphate had succeeded. Yep, just how any criminal wouldn't have been bothered about legal aid if they hadn't been caught. So the big question is i guess, do we need people like her in our society? If the western world and it's liberal values are second best, what value will returning IS fighters and caliphate supporters bring? Will they be teaching the error of their ways, or working out how and why it went wrong on this occasion. " No, the point is whether we, as a society, believe every individual should have access to the law. Deciding that someone should only have access to the law if the government decides they are of "use" to society is the stuff of fascism and communism. | |||
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"I have a hunch she wouldn't have been that bothered if the caliphate had succeeded. Yep, just how any criminal wouldn't have been bothered about legal aid if they hadn't been caught. So the big question is i guess, do we need people like her in our society? If the western world and it's liberal values are second best, what value will returning IS fighters and caliphate supporters bring? Will they be teaching the error of their ways, or working out how and why it went wrong on this occasion. No, the point is whether we, as a society, believe every individual should have access to the law. Deciding that someone should only have access to the law if the government decides they are of "use" to society is the stuff of fascism and communism. " Treason should carry a penalty that no longer allows for the person to have this access . They gave that up when they committed treason . | |||
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"I have a hunch she wouldn't have been that bothered if the caliphate had succeeded. Yep, just how any criminal wouldn't have been bothered about legal aid if they hadn't been caught. So the big question is i guess, do we need people like her in our society? If the western world and it's liberal values are second best, what value will returning IS fighters and caliphate supporters bring? Will they be teaching the error of their ways, or working out how and why it went wrong on this occasion. No, the point is whether we, as a society, believe every individual should have access to the law. Deciding that someone should only have access to the law if the government decides they are of "use" to society is the stuff of fascism and communism. Treason should carry a penalty that no longer allows for the person to have this access . They gave that up when they committed treason ." When was she convicted of treason? | |||
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"I have a hunch she wouldn't have been that bothered if the caliphate had succeeded. Yep, just how any criminal wouldn't have been bothered about legal aid if they hadn't been caught. So the big question is i guess, do we need people like her in our society? If the western world and it's liberal values are second best, what value will returning IS fighters and caliphate supporters bring? Will they be teaching the error of their ways, or working out how and why it went wrong on this occasion. No, the point is whether we, as a society, believe every individual should have access to the law. Deciding that someone should only have access to the law if the government decides they are of "use" to society is the stuff of fascism and communism. Treason should carry a penalty that no longer allows for the person to have this access . They gave that up when they committed treason . When was she convicted of treason? " Well if leaving the UK to join ISIS isn’t committing treason , it’s hard to know what is..... | |||
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"I have a hunch she wouldn't have been that bothered if the caliphate had succeeded. Yep, just how any criminal wouldn't have been bothered about legal aid if they hadn't been caught. So the big question is i guess, do we need people like her in our society? If the western world and it's liberal values are second best, what value will returning IS fighters and caliphate supporters bring? Will they be teaching the error of their ways, or working out how and why it went wrong on this occasion. No, the point is whether we, as a society, believe every individual should have access to the law. Deciding that someone should only have access to the law if the government decides they are of "use" to society is the stuff of fascism and communism. Treason should carry a penalty that no longer allows for the person to have this access . They gave that up when they committed treason . When was she convicted of treason? Well if leaving the UK to join ISIS isn’t committing treason , it’s hard to know what is....." Call me old fashioned but I don't think people should be said to be guilty of serious criminal offences unless they have been convicted in a court of law after having had an opportunity to put their case. It seems like you're arguing she should be brought back to the UK and tried for treason. I'm on board with that. | |||
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"I have a hunch she wouldn't have been that bothered if the caliphate had succeeded. Yep, just how any criminal wouldn't have been bothered about legal aid if they hadn't been caught. So the big question is i guess, do we need people like her in our society? If the western world and it's liberal values are second best, what value will returning IS fighters and caliphate supporters bring? Will they be teaching the error of their ways, or working out how and why it went wrong on this occasion. No, the point is whether we, as a society, believe every individual should have access to the law. Deciding that someone should only have access to the law if the government decides they are of "use" to society is the stuff of fascism and communism. Treason should carry a penalty that no longer allows for the person to have this access . They gave that up when they committed treason ." Then all the government has to do is arbitrarily convict anyone of treason and boom no access to legal assistance for appeal. That could be you or any of us. The Magna Carta enshrined the principle anyone has the right to trial by their peers and your suggestion would take this away. | |||
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"If you want access to the UK legal process , surely you should abide by the UK law and respect it . Rather than join a terrorist group who want to destroy the UK and innocent citizens . Talk about having your cake and eating it ......" Eh? So anyone who has ever broken the law shouldn't get a trial they should just be thrown into prison if they're accused of something, given they haven't shown sufficient respect for UK law. As I've been done for speeding a few times, it looks like you think the government should just be able to lock up me whenever they like. | |||
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"I have a hunch she wouldn't have been that bothered if the caliphate had succeeded. Yep, just how any criminal wouldn't have been bothered about legal aid if they hadn't been caught. So the big question is i guess, do we need people like her in our society? If the western world and it's liberal values are second best, what value will returning IS fighters and caliphate supporters bring? Will they be teaching the error of their ways, or working out how and why it went wrong on this occasion. No, the point is whether we, as a society, believe every individual should have access to the law. Deciding that someone should only have access to the law if the government decides they are of "use" to society is the stuff of fascism and communism. Treason should carry a penalty that no longer allows for the person to have this access . They gave that up when they committed treason . When was she convicted of treason? Well if leaving the UK to join ISIS isn’t committing treason , it’s hard to know what is..... Call me old fashioned but I don't think people should be said to be guilty of serious criminal offences unless they have been convicted in a court of law after having had an opportunity to put their case. It seems like you're arguing she should be brought back to the UK and tried for treason. I'm on board with that. " Well now you put it like that , so am I . When she is found guilty , then we can send her back to her ISIS buddies in Syria . I’d far rather do that than spend inordinate sums of money on trying to de radicalise her , as I don’t believe she was radicalised in the first place . | |||
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"I have a hunch she wouldn't have been that bothered if the caliphate had succeeded. Yep, just how any criminal wouldn't have been bothered about legal aid if they hadn't been caught. So the big question is i guess, do we need people like her in our society? If the western world and it's liberal values are second best, what value will returning IS fighters and caliphate supporters bring? Will they be teaching the error of their ways, or working out how and why it went wrong on this occasion. No, the point is whether we, as a society, believe every individual should have access to the law. Deciding that someone should only have access to the law if the government decides they are of "use" to society is the stuff of fascism and communism. Treason should carry a penalty that no longer allows for the person to have this access . They gave that up when they committed treason . When was she convicted of treason? Well if leaving the UK to join ISIS isn’t committing treason , it’s hard to know what is....." The fact she left the UK rules this out also the small matter of conviction has to take place. Has she been convicted? That's a far easier thing for you to get your head round its a yes or no answer. | |||
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"If you want access to the UK legal process , surely you should abide by the UK law and respect it . Rather than join a terrorist group who want to destroy the UK and innocent citizens . Talk about having your cake and eating it ...... Eh? So anyone who has ever broken the law shouldn't get a trial they should just be thrown into prison if they're accused of something, given they haven't shown sufficient respect for UK law. As I've been done for speeding a few times, it looks like you think the government should just be able to lock up me whenever they like. " caught speeding to joining a bunch of terrorists | |||
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"I am more concerned on how much it will cost to protect her if shoe does get back into the uk. Its a no win situation how ever you look at it. " It's a funny society we live in. Our sons and daughters can join an army that is vehemently against liberalism. Yet our own liberal policies then allow most of them back again, and pay towards their up keep. As im sure some may well continue to plot against the liberal state they now reside in. It's rather like being told you've got lung cancer, then starting smoking just to help it along a bit. | |||
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"I have a hunch she wouldn't have been that bothered if the caliphate had succeeded. Yep, just how any criminal wouldn't have been bothered about legal aid if they hadn't been caught. So the big question is i guess, do we need people like her in our society? If the western world and it's liberal values are second best, what value will returning IS fighters and caliphate supporters bring? Will they be teaching the error of their ways, or working out how and why it went wrong on this occasion. No, the point is whether we, as a society, believe every individual should have access to the law. Deciding that someone should only have access to the law if the government decides they are of "use" to society is the stuff of fascism and communism. Treason should carry a penalty that no longer allows for the person to have this access . They gave that up when they committed treason . When was she convicted of treason? Well if leaving the UK to join ISIS isn’t committing treason , it’s hard to know what is..... Call me old fashioned but I don't think people should be said to be guilty of serious criminal offences unless they have been convicted in a court of law after having had an opportunity to put their case. It seems like you're arguing she should be brought back to the UK and tried for treason. I'm on board with that. Well now you put it like that , so am I . When she is found guilty , then we can send her back to her ISIS buddies in Syria . I’d far rather do that than spend inordinate sums of money on trying to de radicalise her , as I don’t believe she was radicalised in the first place ." If she's found guilty in a UK court she would be sentenced to a prison term in a UK prison.. There would be no power to deport her. | |||
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"If you want access to the UK legal process , surely you should abide by the UK law and respect it . Rather than join a terrorist group who want to destroy the UK and innocent citizens . Talk about having your cake and eating it ...... Eh? So anyone who has ever broken the law shouldn't get a trial they should just be thrown into prison if they're accused of something, given they haven't shown sufficient respect for UK law. As I've been done for speeding a few times, it looks like you think the government should just be able to lock up me whenever they like. caught speeding to joining a bunch of terrorists "He said if you want access to the UK legal process you should abide by UK law. If you have committed a speeding offence you've not abided by UK law hence, on his argument, you should not have access to the UK legal process. | |||
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"If you want access to the UK legal process , surely you should abide by the UK law and respect it . Rather than join a terrorist group who want to destroy the UK and innocent citizens . Talk about having your cake and eating it ...... Eh? So anyone who has ever broken the law shouldn't get a trial they should just be thrown into prison if they're accused of something, given they haven't shown sufficient respect for UK law. As I've been done for speeding a few times, it looks like you think the government should just be able to lock up me whenever they like. " I knew after posting that it was wrongly worded ! I don’t mean any crime from speeding to anything else that doesn’t involve treason or joining a terrorist group . Imagine if during the Second World War our troops on a whim they thought the nazi ideology was better than ours so they joined them in the fight against us . Would we have won the fight against them ? Or would we have been too busy providing legal aid to the troops to prove they were intending to fuck us over by joining the enemy . | |||
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"If you want access to the UK legal process , surely you should abide by the UK law and respect it . Rather than join a terrorist group who want to destroy the UK and innocent citizens . Talk about having your cake and eating it ...... Eh? So anyone who has ever broken the law shouldn't get a trial they should just be thrown into prison if they're accused of something, given they haven't shown sufficient respect for UK law. As I've been done for speeding a few times, it looks like you think the government should just be able to lock up me whenever they like. caught speeding to joining a bunch of terrorists
He said if you want access to the UK legal process you should abide by UK law. If you have committed a speeding offence you've not abided by UK law hence, on his argument, you should not have access to the UK legal process. " really speeding driver to a person who joins isis again I’ll roll my eyes | |||
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"If you want access to the UK legal process , surely you should abide by the UK law and respect it . Rather than join a terrorist group who want to destroy the UK and innocent citizens . Talk about having your cake and eating it ...... Eh? So anyone who has ever broken the law shouldn't get a trial they should just be thrown into prison if they're accused of something, given they haven't shown sufficient respect for UK law. As I've been done for speeding a few times, it looks like you think the government should just be able to lock up me whenever they like. I knew after posting that it was wrongly worded ! I don’t mean any crime from speeding to anything else that doesn’t involve treason or joining a terrorist group . Imagine if during the Second World War our troops on a whim they thought the nazi ideology was better than ours so they joined them in the fight against us . Would we have won the fight against them ? Or would we have been too busy providing legal aid to the troops to prove they were intending to fuck us over by joining the enemy ." People who joined the nazis were put on trial for treason. But they had fair trials and no one was convicted of treason without a trial. I often wonder why people who, no doubt, consider themselves strong patriots denigrate one of the finest British achievements. The fact that everyone gets a fair trial and that the government cannot lock up people just because they think they're bad. | |||
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"If you want access to the UK legal process , surely you should abide by the UK law and respect it . Rather than join a terrorist group who want to destroy the UK and innocent citizens . Talk about having your cake and eating it ...... Eh? So anyone who has ever broken the law shouldn't get a trial they should just be thrown into prison if they're accused of something, given they haven't shown sufficient respect for UK law. As I've been done for speeding a few times, it looks like you think the government should just be able to lock up me whenever they like. I knew after posting that it was wrongly worded ! I don’t mean any crime from speeding to anything else that doesn’t involve treason or joining a terrorist group . Imagine if during the Second World War our troops on a whim they thought the nazi ideology was better than ours so they joined them in the fight against us . Would we have won the fight against them ? Or would we have been too busy providing legal aid to the troops to prove they were intending to fuck us over by joining the enemy . People who joined the nazis were put on trial for treason. But they had fair trials and no one was convicted of treason without a trial. I often wonder why people who, no doubt, consider themselves strong patriots denigrate one of the finest British achievements. The fact that everyone gets a fair trial and that the government cannot lock up people just because they think they're bad. " They may have had a fair trial , but ultimately they were executed when found guilty . We will be footing a massive bill with this case , and be paying for some time to come . But I do accept that she should have a trial , with the option to send her back if she is found guilty . | |||
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