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Can a teacher discipline a pupil?
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Without getting reported nowadays? I dont reckon they can, it was interesting on my the other thread I did by introducing the cane, one said that it gets down to parenting at home, which I agree on, whats your view, also have we got any teachers here of how they do it? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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My son's have shared the same set of teachers as they progress through school. One male one in particular stands out. The only pilunishment he uses is detention.
All the kids respect him, think he's great, but are scared about getting their homework done on time. He also absolves us parents of responsibility of homework not being completed. Says it's on the kids.
Not a cane or any form of violence on show. Just mutual respect and removing what matters to the kids if they don't tow the line.
They both have huge classes, but my two are thriving. |
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There is a staged discipline system which works when used.
Usually a quick catch of the eyes and a nod to their jotter is enough for a pupil to get back on with their work.
A stage 1 is a warning for the pupil that their disruptive noisy behaviour is being noted on the school system. This will be picked up by guidance and logged. Repeated Stage 1s can have an effect on a pupil's ability to attend school trips etc.
Stage 2 means you issue a written exercise explaining their disruptive behaviour for the pupil to complete at home, in their own time and be signed by the parent. Rarely does disruption go beyond this stage.
Stage 3 will have senior management involvement and include the previous 2 stages (exercise and logging). You really start getting parents/ carers involved if these start happeneing. It is disruptive for people's woorking lives to have to come to school to meet about silly wee Hamish so this can be very effective.
Stage 4. Immediate call for senior management. Over to them.
Piss easy.
All the real work is in lesson planning and making sure pupils "get" the work and can get on with it. |
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"There is a staged discipline system which works when used.
Usually a quick catch of the eyes and a nod to their jotter is enough for a pupil to get back on with their work.
A stage 1 is a warning for the pupil that their disruptive noisy behaviour is being noted on the school system. This will be picked up by guidance and logged. Repeated Stage 1s can have an effect on a pupil's ability to attend school trips etc.
Stage 2 means you issue a written exercise explaining their disruptive behaviour for the pupil to complete at home, in their own time and be signed by the parent. Rarely does disruption go beyond this stage.
Stage 3 will have senior management involvement and include the previous 2 stages (exercise and logging). You really start getting parents/ carers involved if these start happeneing. It is disruptive for people's woorking lives to have to come to school to meet about silly wee Hamish so this can be very effective.
Stage 4. Immediate call for senior management. Over to them.
Piss easy.
All the real work is in lesson planning and making sure pupils "get" the work and can get on with it."
This is it, and for the majority, it works.
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I found, for the pupils it didn't help much, they had underlying issues at home and in their lives away from school, and needed other interventions.
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One thing that’s often forgotten or ignored by the pro corporal punishment proponents is the Teachers feeling on violence against children. As if in their eyes a child is just part of their workload, it’s often quite the opposite.
Imagine you’re in a classroom and your teaching has an effect on your class, suddenly they get what you’re trying to teach. Their grades start to improve, more hands go up when you ask a question, the problem child to whom you’re aware has problems at home starts to engage. All that good even great work could be ruined with a more strict and violent disciplinary regime. A child hit at home, may see school as an escape from that violence.
My ex wife (so I’m not biased here  ) couldn’t sleep before major exam results were given to her students, glorying in their successes and giving hope to those who struggled.
Teachers care, don’t forget that, so don’t expect them to meet out violent justice for infractions of school policy.
I could rant about the Parents but in some of those cases you can understand why they’re wrongly castigated as well. |
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Just to re-iterate... from my post above...
Teachers are there to teach their subject.
Sometimes pupils display disruptive behaviours and the school discipline system will be used. It is a staged intervention system designed to give pupils fair warning that their behaviour is disrupting other pupils right to learn and disrupting the lesson the teacher has prepared. It also gives teachers a vakluable framework to "keep something up their sleeve", not lose the rag and also allow a silly pupil a bit of an opportunity to turn their silliness around. It can really help take the heat out of situations and stop idiocy escalating.
When used quickly and effectively alongside Common Sense and sensitivity the discipline system works perfectly well. For pupil and teacher alike.
School discipline systems fail when teachers fail to use it effectively.
When I was in secondary school in Scotland in the 1970s I witnessed the same pupils being belted (corporal punishment) EVERY DAY for trivial things. It had no impact in any positive way and simply brutalised children/ teenagers and served the immediate needs of the poorest of teachers (with the shortest of tempers/ biggest hangovers). By this time (say 1975/76) actually VERY few teachers were using the belt as a means of "enforcing" discipline. Because it simply didn't work. |
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