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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

I noticed a while ago on and away from here, quite a few women take photos and cover their midrifts. It seems they do it as some method of disguise but with me it has the opposite effect and it draws my attention more than the pics without. Anyone else find this?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I do it quite often clothed or naked as it’s a part of my body I don’t like. Just a habit really.

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By *SAchickWoman over a year ago

Hillside desolate

"I do it quite often clothed or naked as it’s a part of my body I don’t like. Just a habit really. "

Same.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I do it quite often clothed or naked as it’s a part of my body I don’t like. Just a habit really.

Same. "

And here.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I do it quite often clothed or naked as it’s a part of my body I don’t like. Just a habit really. "

But this is my point exactly. There is nothing to not like about your stomach yet you stating not liking it is making me look hard to see possible flaws, yet i see non.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I do it quite often clothed or naked as it’s a part of my body I don’t like. Just a habit really.

But this is my point exactly. There is nothing to not like about your stomach yet you stating not liking it is making me look hard to see possible flaws, yet i see non. "

I have a large tummy, I either take angles to make it look smaller or I suck in like mad. I don’t want to show it all hanging out. That’s saved for people I get to know much better and don’t really care. I’m an apple shape so we carry all the weight around the middle.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

the above two female profiles i think are gorgeous(yes, I perv frequently), I know they know they might have an insecure aspect on the photography side of things, they like to look their best.

i'm sure they know, any partner they have been with thinks they are amazing(I hope).

NSAchick is one of my favorite hotlist women, from her forum posts to her perceived physical body, I generally just find her hot as fuck.

(apologies _sachick if reading lol)...

I guess I'd like the same lattitude on occasions, I wont fit someones bill, but I think I'm worth a chance.

I firmly belive no-one is beyond anyones 'level', a swipe left or right is great for those that think thats what they need, for others, in this scene, some of us are a little deeper(most sites are the same lol, but in swinging you really know most instances are about nothing being a date upon a date upon a date whether each has led to a fuck or not, and you dont really need to question a past/present partner about their 'antics'. fabs designed for sex, regardless of some views.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I do it quite often clothed or naked as it’s a part of my body I don’t like. Just a habit really.

But this is my point exactly. There is nothing to not like about your stomach yet you stating not liking it is making me look hard to see possible flaws, yet i see non.

March 14 - red lipstick looks like there is some ab-age trying to come through, or you work sorcery as i dont see what you claim.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I do it quite often clothed or naked as it’s a part of my body I don’t like. Just a habit really.

But this is my point exactly. There is nothing to not like about your stomach yet you stating not liking it is making me look hard to see possible flaws, yet i see non.

March 14 - red lipstick looks like there is some ab-age trying to come through, or you work sorcery as i dont see what you claim. "

I’m a size 16, sometimes an 18 on top. I don’t work out at all and have a large middle. Just clever with angles.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's to cover up insecurities. Nothing more.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I do it quite often clothed or naked as it’s a part of my body I don’t like. Just a habit really.

But this is my point exactly. There is nothing to not like about your stomach yet you stating not liking it is making me look hard to see possible flaws, yet i see non.

March 14 - red lipstick looks like there is some ab-age trying to come through, or you work sorcery as i dont see what you claim. "

That’s actually the fat rolls almost visible. Not abs.

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By *acktar74Man over a year ago

leeds

"I do it quite often clothed or naked as it’s a part of my body I don’t like. Just a habit really.

But this is my point exactly. There is nothing to not like about your stomach yet you stating not liking it is making me look hard to see possible flaws, yet i see non.

March 14 - red lipstick looks like there is some ab-age trying to come through, or you work sorcery as i dont see what you claim.

That’s actually the fat rolls almost visible. Not abs. "

They aren't rolls. Wish we werent talking rolls Im hungry now. Im currently upside down sucking on to get the right angle pose where I look like a bronzed adonis. Currently using the darkness filter and its working.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I do it quite often clothed or naked as it’s a part of my body I don’t like. Just a habit really.

But this is my point exactly. There is nothing to not like about your stomach yet you stating not liking it is making me look hard to see possible flaws, yet i see non.

March 14 - red lipstick looks like there is some ab-age trying to come through, or you work sorcery as i dont see what you claim.

That’s actually the fat rolls almost visible. Not abs. "

Some of what that chap above wrote was accurate, some of you girls look quite good and dont seem to be aware. Maybe TV's programming is stronger than we think.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Keenphotographer that is

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I noticed a while ago on and away from here, quite a few women take photos and cover their midrifts. It seems they do it as some method of disguise but with me it has the opposite effect and it draws my attention more than the pics without. Anyone else find this?"

Dodgy tattoo

What can I say lol x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I do it quite often clothed or naked as it’s a part of my body I don’t like. Just a habit really.

But this is my point exactly. There is nothing to not like about your stomach yet you stating not liking it is making me look hard to see possible flaws, yet i see non.

March 14 - red lipstick looks like there is some ab-age trying to come through, or you work sorcery as i dont see what you claim.

That’s actually the fat rolls almost visible. Not abs.

Some of what that chap above wrote was accurate, some of you girls look quite good and dont seem to be aware. Maybe TV's programming is stronger than we think."

I have a big stomach naturally. It’s bigger than seen in my pics. I don’t want to let it hang out. That’s my insecurity but only in pics. I’m not bothered so much when I get naked with a guy, I let it all hang and have fun.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's a natural reflex to cover the most uncomfortable part.. I do offer a clear disclaimer to anyone likely to meet that poorly hidden gut well and truly exists and is not very photogenic..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Psychological self awareness security and comfort

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I find it a very alluring pose which is odd if its borne our of insecurities....

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By *SAchickWoman over a year ago

Hillside desolate

"the above two female profiles i think are gorgeous(yes, I perv frequently), I know they know they might have an insecure aspect on the photography side of things, they like to look their best.

i'm sure they know, any partner they have been with thinks they are amazing(I hope).

NSAchick is one of my favorite hotlist women, from her forum posts to her perceived physical body, I generally just find her hot as fuck.

(apologies _sachick if reading lol)...

I guess I'd like the same lattitude on occasions, I wont fit someones bill, but I think I'm worth a chance.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"the above two female profiles i think are gorgeous(yes, I perv frequently), I know they know they might have an insecure aspect on the photography side of things, they like to look their best.

i'm sure they know, any partner they have been with thinks they are amazing(I hope).

NSAchick is one of my favorite hotlist women, from her forum posts to her perceived physical body, I generally just find her hot as fuck.

(apologies _sachick if reading lol)...

I guess I'd like the same lattitude on occasions, I wont fit someones bill, but I think I'm worth a chance.

I'd lick that heart even if it was a fart xxxx

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By *naquest321Man over a year ago

Carlisle

"I do it quite often clothed or naked as it’s a part of my body I don’t like. Just a habit really.

Same.

And here.

Love that part of a woman, it some how tells me who she is.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I don't like my big fat body but it would take more than a hand or a clever angle to cover it up lol.

So I just let it all hang out!

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By *ab_SparklesWoman over a year ago

sparkle Surprised

My mum calls my flabby tummy the kangaroo pouch, because it was created when becoming mums and its wear you nurture the sprog. And to be proud of it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I don't like my big fat body but it would take more than a hand or a clever angle to cover it up lol.

So I just let it all hang out!

you look 24 lol, great body, amazing lips!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I don't like my big fat body but it would take more than a hand or a clever angle to cover it up lol.

So I just let it all hang out!

you look 24 lol, great body, amazing lips!

Lol I wish I was 24!

I turn 44 tomorrow so I appreciate that compliment

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I am just a fatty.

And I dont like my "waist" it's in inverted commas, the only time its inverted. But I am honest about it, I make it very clear to those I am chatting with, as I would hate for them to be surprised or disappointed when we met.

I am not, however, gonna put up photos of it looking bad, it would depress me.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I only look at tits and vaginas sorry im a big perv

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I do it quite often clothed or naked as it’s a part of my body I don’t like. Just a habit really.

But this is my point exactly. There is nothing to not like about your stomach yet you stating not liking it is making me look hard to see possible flaws, yet i see non.

Apple shape here too, I need more than a hand to cover my midriff so I tend to just face away from the camera! Or crop it out.

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By *leyxxxMan over a year ago

Southampton/London/Bristol

I always check tummy, if covered or not shown on pics, you might be surprised when meet in real life.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I thought they all had tummy ache

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By *kblueeyesCouple over a year ago

kilkenny

Some of us ladies have a mummy tum and don't feel comfortable showing it off trued exercise but it goes nowhere so just cover with the hand lol

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By *attooedBBWWoman over a year ago

Basingstoke

I never know what to do with my hand in pics so often it’s on my hip or my stomach but I have no issue with my stomach at all

Made me more conscious of where my hand lays now haha!

Unfortunately a lot of women have insecurities about their bodies so I respect those that do, but wishes they didn’t have to be.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I do this when I'm with someone too. It's an automatic habit because I feel insecure.

I openly admit in my profile that I use angles too

I genuinely don't care if that makes someone look for my flaws more (they actually aren't that hard to spot) it makes me feel a little better about myself.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I am just a fatty.

I am not, however, gonna put up photos of it looking bad, it would depress me."

I'm the same.

I don't think anyone would post a pic of themselves in a bad light?

I'm always honest before meeting but wouldn't send a pic

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I tend to cover my bits in photos....my Johnson is shy

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I put my hand on my hip in photos to make me look like I have more of a waist than is actually there

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I put my hand on my hip in photos to make me look like I have more of a waist than is actually there

"
such a waste get it get it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I always check tummy, if covered or not shown on pics, you might be surprised when meet in real life. "

Does it really matter though? A hand can only cover so much. What if someone has hobbit feet, should they be shown on here too for all to see?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I just breath in until the sex is finnished

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I've had 3 pregnancies, although I don't have many stretch marks, I do have some loose skin and it's a choice of slight pot or loose skin depending on my ever-fluctuating weight. So it's never going to be my favourite body part,and it's not always that I am comfortable with it totally exposed. Whether or not this makes others focus more on it isn't what I think about, it's my own insecurity.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm lucky as I have D to take my pictures, he is fantastic at angles, and yes I do cover my tummy with my hand, because it's big and flabby. On the plus side D will kiss it and lick it so this gives me hope.

Jo.Xx

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I have found my body shape description. An apple

An apple a day keeps the doctor away

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By *allySlinkyWoman over a year ago

Leeds

Meghan Markle always has her hand on her stomach

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Meghan Markle always has her hand on her stomach"

Ah but that's because she's expecting a baby, didn't you know

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Sadly my hands aren’t big enough to cover my tummy!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I do this as I have identifiable tattoos, so it’s discretion, I am confident in my body so it’s no hiding or deflection issue

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By *nabelle21Woman over a year ago

B38

"Meghan Markle always has her hand on her stomach

Ah but that's because she's expecting a baby, didn't you know

That's another thing as women having had babies our bodies change.

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By *hunderstruckMan over a year ago

Northampton

I’d rather see a tummy and a nice thick thigh and round bum .

It’s signs of a mother and I find that rather sexy.

I quite like all the body differences and find it more interesting than the stick thin toned ones.

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By *uriousk22Couple over a year ago

newcastle under lyme

i’m guilty of doing this too, i also always have a hand over my tummy when i’m intimate with some1 and find it hard to drop the insecurities about my mummy tummy. I guess we all have our hang ups

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By *nabelle21Woman over a year ago

B38

"i’m guilty of doing this too, i also always have a hand over my tummy when i’m intimate with some1 and find it hard to drop the insecurities about my mummy tummy. I guess we all have our hang ups "

I know that I do x

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By *m3232Man over a year ago

maidenhead

Just as many will like someone’s pictures and just as many will dislike.

My preference would be to see the real person rather than hiding stuff.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Apple to Apple. Be proud of what you got

In my case just keep it hidden away until she tells you to get nekkid. Thats when it gets real fruity

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Just as many will like someone’s pictures and just as many will dislike.

My preference would be to see the real person rather than hiding stuff. "

Exactly.

I think the reason why a lot of people don't meet is because they look nothing like their pictures.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Apples, banana, plums, mangoes, melons, peach all make for a tasty fruit cocktail

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

As said above its an area I am conscious of but try to use camera angles to my advantage.

Sometimes this works sometimes it draws the eye exactly where i don't want lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Just as many will like someone’s pictures and just as many will dislike.

My preference would be to see the real person rather than hiding stuff.

Exactly.

I think the reason why a lot of people don't meet is because they look nothing like their pictures.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I notice women cross their legs when standing up...

That back to front motion, anyone else notice, is it to make you feel taller, straighter posture perhaps or do you just need the loo

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By *nabelle21Woman over a year ago

B38

"I notice women cross their legs when standing up...

That back to front motion, anyone else notice, is it to make you feel taller, straighter posture perhaps or do you just need the loo

Maybe it's the loo thing ... we could always call it gushing if we get caught short

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By *a LunaWoman over a year ago

South Wales

I let it all hang out.

I still get asked for sex

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I send men photos of my stomach to test their mettle.

If they don't baulk at the site and immediately block me they are man enough for me.

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By *nabelle21Woman over a year ago

B38

"I let it all hang out.

I still get asked for sex

Let hang out and out with hang ups

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By *hewifeandiCouple over a year ago

Bristol

The wife is a size 16 and I think she's just as beautiful now as when she was a size 10 and even back then she'd put her hand on her tummy in pics

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Ladies have you not thought we will see it when we meet u and to be honest your tummies flatten out when your on your back and we don't see them when your on all fours with us behind you

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I send men photos of my stomach to test their mettle.

If they don't baulk at the site and immediately block me they are man enough for me. "
I just saw your socks and face x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I let it all hang out.

I still get asked for sex

"
your well proportioned

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By *hewifeandiCouple over a year ago

Bristol

"Ladies have you not thought we will see it when we meet u and to be honest your tummies flatten out when your on your back and we don't see them when your on all fours with us behind you"

Ay my man's got a point ladies

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I don’t like my stomach so do try to cover it or use clever angles. When on a meet I tend to let it all hang out. I know it’s my insecurities but I’m more body conscious now I’ve lost some weight and have a wobbly tummy than I was before x

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By *pider-WomanWoman over a year ago

Exeter, Bristol, Plymouth, Truro

I would like to say I'm lucky but I'm not really exercise and diet have given me the gift of self confidence to show my stomach...and I'm proud of it.

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By *hewifeandiCouple over a year ago

Bristol

"I would like to say I'm lucky but I'm not really exercise and diet have given me the gift of self confidence to show my stomach...and I'm proud of it.

You are amazing, very sexy lady indeed

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Ladies have you not thought we will see it when we meet u and to be honest your tummies flatten out when your on your back and we don't see them when your on all fours with us behind you"

Yes, I tell men I'm going to have sex with I have a big stomach to match my boobs and bum. Just so they can't take me to court for sex under false pretences.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Ladies have you not thought we will see it when we meet u and to be honest your tummies flatten out when your on your back and we don't see them when your on all fours with us behind you

Yes, I tell men I'm going to have sex with I have a big stomach to match my boobs and bum. Just so they can't take me to court for sex under false pretences.

"
I'd rather take u to bed than court under the trades descriprition act

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By *a LunaWoman over a year ago

South Wales

"I let it all hang out.

I still get asked for sex

your well proportioned"

Thanks

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I notice women cross their legs when standing up...

That back to front motion, anyone else notice, is it to make you feel taller, straighter posture perhaps or do you just need the loo

Stops you looking like your standing waiting for a bus

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I let it all hang out.

I still get asked for sex

your well proportioned

Thanks

"
just a shame even if distance wasn't a factor I'd still not be in with a shout lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I would like to say I'm lucky but I'm not really exercise and diet have given me the gift of self confidence to show my stomach...and I'm proud of it.

Even when I was a gym bunny the post-pregnancy loose skin was there. No diet or exercise is going to change that

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Ladies have you not thought we will see it when we meet u and to be honest your tummies flatten out when your on your back and we don't see them when your on all fours with us behind you

Yes, I tell men I'm going to have sex with I have a big stomach to match my boobs and bum. Just so they can't take me to court for sex under false pretences.

I'd rather take u to bed than court under the trades descriprition act"

My fat stomach is has burns on at the moment. It's not a pretty sight.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Ladies have you not thought we will see it when we meet u and to be honest your tummies flatten out when your on your back and we don't see them when your on all fours with us behind you

Yes, I tell men I'm going to have sex with I have a big stomach to match my boobs and bum. Just so they can't take me to court for sex under false pretences.

I'd rather take u to bed than court under the trades descriprition act

My fat stomach is has burns on at the moment. It's not a pretty sight."

Carpet burns?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I send men photos of my stomach to test their mettle.

If they don't baulk at the site and immediately block me they are man enough for me.

Man enough?

Did you block me before I could see lol

I haven't blocked you.

That's what the fab police is telling me ?

I haven't blocked you and I don't report people from the forums.

So...

I guess the fab police have made a decision for you lol ...

It tells me I am blocked just like a few other profiles... hmmm

I wonder why ?

No idea. I've never blocked anyone from the forums, even when they have aimed their bitterness at me. I only block men who ask to meet and I'm not interested.

With one exception of one woman who had issues.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I send men photos of my stomach to test their mettle.

If they don't baulk at the site and immediately block me they are man enough for me.

Man enough?

Did you block me before I could see lol

I haven't blocked you.

That's what the fab police is telling me ?

I haven't blocked you and I don't report people from the forums.

So...

I guess the fab police have made a decision for you lol ...

It tells me I am blocked just like a few other profiles... hmmm

I wonder why ?

"
maybe you just don't fall into her criteria or she blocked you so long ago it doesn't show on her block list

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I send men photos of my stomach to test their mettle.

If they don't baulk at the site and immediately block me they are man enough for me.

Man enough?

Did you block me before I could see lol

I haven't blocked you.

That's what the fab police is telling me ?

I haven't blocked you and I don't report people from the forums.

So...

I guess the fab police have made a decision for you lol ...

It tells me I am blocked just like a few other profiles... hmmm

I wonder why ?

Probably because some have blocked you. Some probably haven’t. There you go, solved it for you

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By *pider-WomanWoman over a year ago

Exeter, Bristol, Plymouth, Truro

"I would like to say I'm lucky but I'm not really exercise and diet have given me the gift of self confidence to show my stomach...and I'm proud of it.

Even when I was a gym bunny the post-pregnancy loose skin was there. No diet or exercise is going to change that"

Maybe maybe not. I'm no expert that's for sure or a gym bunny either.

I also remember feeling that way after children if you believe you can then maybe its possible who knows.

Be happy in your own skin that's all that matters.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I would like to say I'm lucky but I'm not really exercise and diet have given me the gift of self confidence to show my stomach...and I'm proud of it.

Even when I was a gym bunny the post-pregnancy loose skin was there. No diet or exercise is going to change that

Maybe maybe not. I'm no expert that's for sure or a gym bunny either.

I also remember feeling that way after children if you believe you can then maybe its possible who knows.

Be happy in your own skin that's all that matters."

I am, there's just no getting back the elasticity in skin that's been stretched too far.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I do it quite often clothed or naked as it’s a part of my body I don’t like. Just a habit really.

But this is my point exactly. There is nothing to not like about your stomach yet you stating not liking it is making me look hard to see possible flaws, yet i see non.

I’ve seen your body granted you was wearing clothes but you have nothing to hide!

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By *inkysexpotMan over a year ago

leeds

Probably for insecurities and a comfort sort of thing, doesn't bother me in the slightest, I'm far from perfect anyway

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I do it quite often clothed or naked as it’s a part of my body I don’t like. Just a habit really.

But this is my point exactly. There is nothing to not like about your stomach yet you stating not liking it is making me look hard to see possible flaws, yet i see non.

I’ve seen your body granted you was wearing clothes but you have nothing to hide!

My tummy was really swollen that day. I look 6 months pregnant right now but that’s because of troublesome fibroid or cyst. Hospital next week to find out what’s wrong. I wore a dress that hid it the best I could when I met you. It’s not fun right now.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I've got a little Budda belly I put it down to the fact I haven't exercised in quite a while as my knees fucked

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

And old age

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By *etter the devil you knowWoman over a year ago

Lyndhurst

I hadnt noticed but i like to keep mine covered up if taking photo because of stretch marks, i noticed they looked horrible in one photo i had.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Don't any of you ladies use pile cream to eliminate stretch marks or butter milk cream

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By *etter the devil you knowWoman over a year ago

Lyndhurst

"Don't any of you ladies use pile cream to eliminate stretch marks or butter milk cream"

I tried some stretch marks cream from mothercare and baby oil only my skin kept itching and i scratched it and made it bleed, pregnancy made my skin very thin.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I put my hand on my hip in photos to make me look like I have more of a waist than is actually there

"
more than a handful all your pics look fantastic

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By *ark ph0enixWoman over a year ago

Teesside

I use my hand to cover scars or flabby bits I'm not proud of.

Or wear lingerie that helps hide it too

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Doughnut took some shots of me recently and while I know I’m fat I was mortified how I looked so they got deleted! I used to cover my stomach but now I avoid trying to take any photos to include it, I don’t want to see it so I don’t expect others to want to, in the past on the rare occasion I’ve got a good angle and went with it though.

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By *ave-and-LouiseCouple over a year ago

Torquay

Louise is the same, post pregnancy she started to hide her tummy and tends to wear lingerie that covers it up. I love her tummy personally and always tell her so.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I've got a little Budda belly I put it down to the fact I haven't exercised in quite a while as my knees fucked "

I like that on a guy tbh.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I've got a little Budda belly I put it down to the fact I haven't exercised in quite a while as my knees fucked

I like that on a guy tbh. "
maybe u can PM me and I'll show you lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I did it recently to show my sleeve off

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

To cover up a part they are not comfortable with, I'd assume. Though you may find your gaze wandering to the midriff area, the midriff area is covered with a hand, so it's a non issue if your gaze wanders there and it makes the female far more comfortable posting that picture

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm getting my stomach out.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm getting my stomach out."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm getting my stomach out."

My belly is much bigger than yours - you look great

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

So it looks like we can probably draw conclusions as to why its done - body conciousness is an overwhelming factor currently it appears. It will be interesting to see if / when attitudes alter, as it did with pubic hair for example.

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