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"Turns out this is a thing.... any one have any views?"
Yeah... it is a phrase which has been coined by miserable narcissistic, self=obsessed feminazis. The term "Toxic Masculinity" was created after a guy changed a burst tyre for Lady Himmler while she was having a flappy, Tena Lady meltdown at the side of the A303. |
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"Turns out this is a thing.... any one have any views?
Yeah... it is a phrase which has been coined by miserable narcissistic, self=obsessed feminazis. The term "Toxic Masculinity" was created after a guy changed a burst tyre for Lady Himmler while she was having a flappy, Tena Lady meltdown at the side of the A303."
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"Turns out this is a thing.... any one have any views?
Yeah... it is a phrase which has been coined by miserable narcissistic, self=obsessed feminazis. The term "Toxic Masculinity" was created after a guy changed a burst tyre for Lady Himmler while she was having a flappy, Tena Lady meltdown at the side of the A303."
And who created the term feminazis? |
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"Turns out this is a thing.... any one have any views?
Yeah... it is a phrase which has been coined by miserable narcissistic, self=obsessed feminazis. The term "Toxic Masculinity" was created after a guy changed a burst tyre for Lady Himmler while she was having a flappy, Tena Lady meltdown at the side of the A303.
And who created the term feminazis? "
If you want that answer create your own thread haha, I’ve still not had my answers |
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It's a term that describes certain unpleasant forms of masculinity, and it's well worth identifying and critiquing those.
Unfortunately a lot of men mistake it for meaning 'men are all toxic' and get very angry and defensive about it. |
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"It's a term that describes certain unpleasant forms of masculinity, and it's well worth identifying and critiquing those.
Unfortunately a lot of men mistake it for meaning 'men are all toxic' and get very angry and defensive about it."
Just playing devil advocate.... does that mean people can you use the term toxic femininity for unpleasant forms of femininity? |
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"It's a term that describes certain unpleasant forms of masculinity, and it's well worth identifying and critiquing those.
Unfortunately a lot of men mistake it for meaning 'men are all toxic' and get very angry and defensive about it."
 I find the angry defensive ones are those men who the term actually applies to. They get angry because they know it refers to them. |
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"It's a term that describes certain unpleasant forms of masculinity, and it's well worth identifying and critiquing those.
Unfortunately a lot of men mistake it for meaning 'men are all toxic' and get very angry and defensive about it.
I find the angry defensive ones are those men who the term actually applies to. They get angry because they know it refers to them. "
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I think its a MASSIVE thing and agree with Steelheels.
It's ever-present on fab and omni-present in society.
I think there is a big difference between being a male and being a man. |
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It's actually a sociological concept that is part of Gender Order Theory that recognises various types of masculinity and attempts to explain how some men maintain the dominant position in society above other men and all women. The 'toxic' refers to certain harmful methods that some men use to reinforce their dominant position, such as physical violence. Most people who see toxic masculinity as an issue do so because they believe it to be harmful to both women and men, not just women. It's got nothing to do with 'feminazis'. |
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"It's actually a sociological concept that is part of Gender Order Theory that recognises various types of masculinity and attempts to explain how some men maintain the dominant position in society above other men and all women. The 'toxic' refers to certain harmful methods that some men use to reinforce their dominant position, such as physical violence. Most people who see toxic masculinity as an issue do so because they believe it to be harmful to both women and men, not just women. It's got nothing to do with 'feminazis'."
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"It's actually a sociological concept that is part of Gender Order Theory that recognises various types of masculinity and attempts to explain how some men maintain the dominant position in society above other men and all women. The 'toxic' refers to certain harmful methods that some men use to reinforce their dominant position, such as physical violence. Most people who see toxic masculinity as an issue do so because they believe it to be harmful to both women and men, not just women. It's got nothing to do with 'feminazis'."
But it is just a theory??? |
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I’m ashamed to say that I don’t know either, although I’m more ashamed of the fact that I now have Britney Speers Toxic in my head!
Damn you OP, typical man, causing mental anguish to a woman, by posting a toxic thread!! Haha xx |
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"It's actually a sociological concept that is part of Gender Order Theory that recognises various types of masculinity and attempts to explain how some men maintain the dominant position in society above other men and all women. The 'toxic' refers to certain harmful methods that some men use to reinforce their dominant position, such as physical violence. Most people who see toxic masculinity as an issue do so because they believe it to be harmful to both women and men, not just women. It's got nothing to do with 'feminazis'."
aaaaaaahhh so dick heads then i get ya yeah op dickheads there around yep
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"It's actually a sociological concept that is part of Gender Order Theory that recognises various types of masculinity and attempts to explain how some men maintain the dominant position in society above other men and all women. The 'toxic' refers to certain harmful methods that some men use to reinforce their dominant position, such as physical violence. Most people who see toxic masculinity as an issue do so because they believe it to be harmful to both women and men, not just women. It's got nothing to do with 'feminazis'.
But it is just a theory??? "
Theoretically I see it everyday. I like to people watch though. |
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"I’m ashamed to say that I don’t know either, although I’m more ashamed of the fact that I now have Britney Speers Toxic in my head!
Damn you OP, typical man, causing mental anguish to a woman, by posting a toxic thread!! Haha xx"
Typical woman, if I’m doubt blame a man for something they’ve done to theself haha   |
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"I’m ashamed to say that I don’t know either, although I’m more ashamed of the fact that I now have Britney Speers Toxic in my head!
Damn you OP, typical man, causing mental anguish to a woman, by posting a toxic thread!! Haha xx
Typical woman, if I’m doubt blame a man for something they’ve done to theself haha "
Shhh!! I’m blameless...but if you could post a thread about a threesome with Seb Bach and Duff McKegan I’d appreciate it please...I can tell Mr I’m not to blame for my naughty thoughts then, haha xx |
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t’s not the masculinity that’s toxic it’s the lack of it. The growing problem in today’s society isn’t that men are to masculine, but aren’t masculine enough. When men deny there masculinity they runaway from responsibilities, creating problems in society.
So why are we trying to feminise young men, this anti male tilt goes from the classroom into the work place. It’s creating passive, tentative men, unhappy women. Women want real men they can look up to, that’s just inate. Passive men don’t defend, protect or provide. Passive men don’t do the things we have always needed men to do for society to thrive.
So why is society trying to make men less toxic, masculine and more like women. These traits that are toxic are also the traits that protect society. Women’s and men’s brains are just wired different, but some want to believe it’s social construct. |
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There are so many possible definitions of toxic masculinity . I abhor violence in any way shape or form so I totally am against this aspect .
Other parts I kind of don’t agree with , like I do think a man displaying typical masculine traits is fine . Nothing wrong with pumping iron , looking good and impressing the ladies . Nor is there anything wrong with not being in touch with our feminine side because some of us are quite happy being men .
I don’t like the homophobic side of toxic masculinity , there’s just no need .
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"It exists in the sense that any abscract concept exists. It describes various forms of obnoxious behaviour informed by male stereotypes and is a useful term I think. "
Covering anything the individual does not like about the male species such as body hair and socks with holes in them!
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"I’m ashamed to say that I don’t know either, although I’m more ashamed of the fact that I now have Britney Speers Toxic in my head!
Damn you OP, typical man, causing mental anguish to a woman, by posting a toxic thread!! Haha xx
Typical woman, if I’m doubt blame a man for something they’ve done to theself haha
Shhh!! I’m blameless...but if you could post a thread about a threesome with Seb Bach and Duff McKegan I’d appreciate it please...I can tell Mr I’m not to blame for my naughty thoughts then, haha xx "
We’ll make a deal.. we’ll call it a foursome where I’m involved and you can share your thoughts with me and hubby???? Deal...... or no deal???? Lols |
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I sometimes think some men are this automatically and don't realise it!
For example the men I am having to deal with as part of a building development cock up that is costing them money to rectify, it is very clear they don't like dealing with a strong female, who is constantly pointing out where they have gone wrong! |
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"t’s not the masculinity that’s toxic it’s the lack of it. The growing problem in today’s society isn’t that men are to masculine, but aren’t masculine enough. When men deny there masculinity they runaway from responsibilities, creating problems in society.
So why are we trying to feminise young men, this anti male tilt goes from the classroom into the work place. It’s creating passive, tentative men, unhappy women. Women want real men they can look up to, that’s just inate. Passive men don’t defend, protect or provide. Passive men don’t do the things we have always needed men to do for society to thrive.
So why is society trying to make men less toxic, masculine and more like women. These traits that are toxic are also the traits that protect society. Women’s and men’s brains are just wired different, but some want to believe it’s social construct."
I haven’t read something and disagreed so much. Hoping it’s a wind up... |
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"t’s not the masculinity that’s toxic it’s the lack of it. The growing problem in today’s society isn’t that men are to masculine, but aren’t masculine enough. When men deny there masculinity they runaway from responsibilities, creating problems in society.
So why are we trying to feminise young men, this anti male tilt goes from the classroom into the work place. It’s creating passive, tentative men, unhappy women. Women want real men they can look up to, that’s just inate. Passive men don’t defend, protect or provide. Passive men don’t do the things we have always needed men to do for society to thrive.
So why is society trying to make men less toxic, masculine and more like women. These traits that are toxic are also the traits that protect society. Women’s and men’s brains are just wired different, but some want to believe it’s social construct."
As much as it pains me to say it , I agree with this 100% |
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"There are so many possible definitions of toxic masculinity . I abhor violence in any way shape or form so I totally am against this aspect .
Other parts I kind of don’t agree with , like I do think a man displaying typical masculine traits is fine . Nothing wrong with pumping iron , looking good and impressing the ladies . Nor is there anything wrong with not being in touch with our feminine side because some of us are quite happy being men .
I don’t like the homophobic side of toxic masculinity , there’s just no need .
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I don't think pumping iron and looking good was ever included in the traditional concept of what constitutes toxic masculine behaviour. Dominant masculinity and toxic masculinity are not synonymous. |
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"t’s not the masculinity that’s toxic it’s the lack of it. The growing problem in today’s society isn’t that men are to masculine, but aren’t masculine enough. When men deny there masculinity they runaway from responsibilities, creating problems in society.
So why are we trying to feminise young men, this anti male tilt goes from the classroom into the work place. It’s creating passive, tentative men, unhappy women. Women want real men they can look up to, that’s just inate. Passive men don’t defend, protect or provide. Passive men don’t do the things we have always needed men to do for society to thrive.
So why is society trying to make men less toxic, masculine and more like women. These traits that are toxic are also the traits that protect society. Women’s and men’s brains are just wired different, but some want to believe it’s social construct."
Is misogyny in hip-hop a reaction against this do you think? |
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Phew, there's an expert on the matter so the poor little women don't have to worry about whether the boyfriend beating them up or the date forcing himself on them or the husband screaming at their son because he's not very good at football or the brother carrying a blade so he fits in with the gang or the builders shouting obscenities as they walk past or the strange man following them home in the dark are exhibiting toxic behaviours. Aren't you silly little girls glad you've got a man here to clear that up for you! |
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"t’s not the masculinity that’s toxic it’s the lack of it. The growing problem in today’s society isn’t that men are to masculine, but aren’t masculine enough. When men deny there masculinity they runaway from responsibilities, creating problems in society.
So why are we trying to feminise young men, this anti male tilt goes from the classroom into the work place. It’s creating passive, tentative men, unhappy women. Women want real men they can look up to, that’s just inate. Passive men don’t defend, protect or provide. Passive men don’t do the things we have always needed men to do for society to thrive.
So why is society trying to make men less toxic, masculine and more like women. These traits that are toxic are also the traits that protect society. Women’s and men’s brains are just wired different, but some want to believe it’s social construct."
I know plenty of passive men who protected you and yours Tame.
That's about all I'm going to say on that, because I'm liable to blow reading some of the other stuff in that post. We have history, so I'll let someone else tackle that.
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"It's a term that describes certain unpleasant forms of masculinity, and it's well worth identifying and critiquing those.
Unfortunately a lot of men mistake it for meaning 'men are all toxic' and get very angry and defensive about it.
Just playing devil advocate.... does that mean people can you use the term toxic femininity for unpleasant forms of femininity?"
You could try. I think it would be hard to extract those forms from the influence of masculinity though. |
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"I sometimes think some men are this automatically and don't realise it!
For example the men I am having to deal with as part of a building development cock up that is costing them money to rectify, it is very clear they don't like dealing with a strong female, who is constantly pointing out where they have gone wrong!"
Constantly pointing out...somebody hired duds! |
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"t’s not the masculinity that’s toxic it’s the lack of it. The growing problem in today’s society isn’t that men are to masculine, but aren’t masculine enough. When men deny there masculinity they runaway from responsibilities, creating problems in society.
So why are we trying to feminise young men, this anti male tilt goes from the classroom into the work place. It’s creating passive, tentative men, unhappy women. Women want real men they can look up to, that’s just inate. Passive men don’t defend, protect or provide. Passive men don’t do the things we have always needed men to do for society to thrive.
So why is society trying to make men less toxic, masculine and more like women. These traits that are toxic are also the traits that protect society. Women’s and men’s brains are just wired different, but some want to believe it’s social construct.
I haven’t read something and disagreed so much. Hoping it’s a wind up..."
I can’t see a single thing wrong with that post .
Which bit don’t you agree with ?
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"There are so many possible definitions of toxic masculinity . I abhor violence in any way shape or form so I totally am against this aspect .
Other parts I kind of don’t agree with , like I do think a man displaying typical masculine traits is fine . Nothing wrong with pumping iron , looking good and impressing the ladies . Nor is there anything wrong with not being in touch with our feminine side because some of us are quite happy being men .
I don’t like the homophobic side of toxic masculinity , there’s just no need .
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So out if interest which parts oftoxic masculinity when aimed at other men are a bad thing? |
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"It’s creating passive, tentative men, unhappy women. Women want real men they can look up to, that’s just inate. Passive men don’t defend, protect or provide. Passive men don’t do the things we have always needed men to do for society to thrive.
So why is society trying to make men less toxic, masculine and more like women. These traits that are toxic are also the traits that protect society."
I take huge exception to this. Toxic masculinity in gender theory refers to violence against and abuse of other men, women and children. Violence does not protect our society. As a woman, I do not want to be forced to 'look up to' a man out of fear of violence. I want men around me who I can respect and who respect me without feeling the need to tell me my own mind and what my 'inate' needs are. |
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"I sometimes think some men are this automatically and don't realise it!
For example the men I am having to deal with as part of a building development cock up that is costing them money to rectify, it is very clear they don't like dealing with a strong female, who is constantly pointing out where they have gone wrong! Constantly pointing out...somebody hired duds!"
I agree! But they are not my building developers! They are third parties who caused severe damage to my property due to their negligence!
Slightly different take on your comment isn't it? |
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"There are so many possible definitions of toxic masculinity . I abhor violence in any way shape or form so I totally am against this aspect .
Other parts I kind of don’t agree with , like I do think a man displaying typical masculine traits is fine . Nothing wrong with pumping iron , looking good and impressing the ladies . Nor is there anything wrong with not being in touch with our feminine side because some of us are quite happy being men .
I don’t like the homophobic side of toxic masculinity , there’s just no need .
So out if interest which parts oftoxic masculinity when aimed at other men are a bad thing?"
Pretty much all gender roles.
Men should be men, man up, grow some balls, boys will be boys, Incels, etc. |
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"These traits that are toxic are also the traits that protect society. Women’s and men’s brains are just wired different, but some want to believe it’s social construct."
There may be some biological differences between the brains of men and women (although that's a whole other subject), but the idea that there is no social element in how women are treated is demonstrably false.
The role of women in society today (as politicians, doctors, lawyers, sports starts, etc) is markedly different to what it was 100 years ago (or even 50).
Did women change biologically in that time? Of course not. We made a load of social changes.
And it would be absurd to think that now, April 2019, just happens to be the time when we've finished that evolution of society and there is no further progress to be made. That's the view of people who find change scary and too challenging to deal with.
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"Over the past 30 years, as the concept has morphed and changed, it has served more as a barometer for the gender politics of its day—and as an arrow toward the subtler, shifting causes of violence and sexism.....
Despite the term’s recent popularity among feminists, toxic masculinity did not originate with the women’s movement. It was coined in the mythopoetic men’s movement of the 1980s and ’90s, motivated in part as a reaction to second-wave feminism. Through male-only workshops, wilderness retreats, and drumming circles, this movement promoted a masculine spirituality to rescue what it referred to as the “deep masculine”— a protective, “warrior” masculinity—from toxic masculinity. Men’s aggression and frustration was, according to the movement, the result of a society that feminized boys by denying them the necessary rites and rituals to realize their true selves as men." The Atlantic 19 feb 2019 quoting from a Psychiatry Paper on its origin, growth and development.
Hope this redresses some misquote ideas. |
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"These traits that are toxic are also the traits that protect society. Women’s and men’s brains are just wired different, but some want to believe it’s social construct.
There may be some biological differences between the brains of men and women (although that's a whole other subject), but the idea that there is no social element in how women are treated is demonstrably false.
The role of women in society today (as politicians, doctors, lawyers, sports starts, etc) is markedly different to what it was 100 years ago (or even 50).
Did women change biologically in that time? Of course not. We made a load of social changes.
And it would be absurd to think that now, April 2019, just happens to be the time when we've finished that evolution of society and there is no further progress to be made. That's the view of people who find change scary and too challenging to deal with.
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What’s today’s date ? |
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"These traits that are toxic are also the traits that protect society. Women’s and men’s brains are just wired different, but some want to believe it’s social construct.
There may be some biological differences between the brains of men and women (although that's a whole other subject), but the idea that there is no social element in how women are treated is demonstrably false.
The role of women in society today (as politicians, doctors, lawyers, sports starts, etc) is markedly different to what it was 100 years ago (or even 50).
Did women change biologically in that time? Of course not. We made a load of social changes.
And it would be absurd to think that now, April 2019, just happens to be the time when we've finished that evolution of society and there is no further progress to be made. That's the view of people who find change scary and too challenging to deal with.
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"There are so many possible definitions of toxic masculinity . I abhor violence in any way shape or form so I totally am against this aspect .
Other parts I kind of don’t agree with , like I do think a man displaying typical masculine traits is fine . Nothing wrong with pumping iron , looking good and impressing the ladies . Nor is there anything wrong with not being in touch with our feminine side because some of us are quite happy being men .
I don’t like the homophobic side of toxic masculinity , there’s just no need .
So out if interest which parts oftoxic masculinity when aimed at other men are a bad thing?"
The violent aspects , and the belittling of gay/ bi / trans |
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"Turns out this is a thing.... any one have any views?
Yeah... it is a phrase which has been coined by miserable narcissistic, self=obsessed feminazis. The term "Toxic Masculinity" was created after a guy changed a burst tyre for Lady Himmler while she was having a flappy, Tena Lady meltdown at the side of the A303."
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"There are so many possible definitions of toxic masculinity . I abhor violence in any way shape or form so I totally am against this aspect .
Other parts I kind of don’t agree with , like I do think a man displaying typical masculine traits is fine . Nothing wrong with pumping iron , looking good and impressing the ladies . Nor is there anything wrong with not being in touch with our feminine side because some of us are quite happy being men .
I don’t like the homophobic side of toxic masculinity , there’s just no need .
So out if interest which parts oftoxic masculinity when aimed at other men are a bad thing?
The violent aspects , and the belittling of gay/ bi / trans "
And when those traits ate aimed at a woman? Is that okay?
I'm sorry but I'm struggling to see the significance of your comment that theres no need for behaviour like that but made it gender speciific |
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Toxic Masculinity is a thing, but we had a discussion on here a few weeks ago about and just found that here is a bit of a shit place to try and talk about it as people don't want to face it or constantly take the wrong view on it.
And again since blokes on here keep bringing it up, yes there is a female version, it's often dubbed White Girl Feminism. |
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"Turns out this is a thing.... any one have any views?
Yeah... it is a phrase which has been coined by miserable narcissistic, self=obsessed feminazis. The term "Toxic Masculinity" was created after a guy changed a burst tyre for Lady Himmler while she was having a flappy, Tena Lady meltdown at the side of the A303.
Another woman hater "
So, it wasn't just me that had this thought then |
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"There are so many possible definitions of toxic masculinity . I abhor violence in any way shape or form so I totally am against this aspect .
Other parts I kind of don’t agree with , like I do think a man displaying typical masculine traits is fine . Nothing wrong with pumping iron , looking good and impressing the ladies . Nor is there anything wrong with not being in touch with our feminine side because some of us are quite happy being men .
I don’t like the homophobic side of toxic masculinity , there’s just no need .
So out if interest which parts oftoxic masculinity when aimed at other men are a bad thing?
The violent aspects , and the belittling of gay/ bi / trans
And when those traits ate aimed at a woman? Is that okay?
I'm sorry but I'm struggling to see the significance of your comment that theres no need for behaviour like that but made it gender speciific"
Why would men aim homophobic comments about other men to women ?
I am sorry but I’m struggling to see the significance of your comment about it being gender specific , when it clearly is !
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"There are so many possible definitions of toxic masculinity . I abhor violence in any way shape or form so I totally am against this aspect .
Other parts I kind of don’t agree with , like I do think a man displaying typical masculine traits is fine . Nothing wrong with pumping iron , looking good and impressing the ladies . Nor is there anything wrong with not being in touch with our feminine side because some of us are quite happy being men .
I don’t like the homophobic side of toxic masculinity , there’s just no need .
So out if interest which parts oftoxic masculinity when aimed at other men are a bad thing?
The violent aspects , and the belittling of gay/ bi / trans
And when those traits ate aimed at a woman? Is that okay?
I'm sorry but I'm struggling to see the significance of your comment that theres no need for behaviour like that but made it gender speciific
Why would men aim homophobic comments about other men to women ?
I am sorry but I’m struggling to see the significance of your comment about it being gender specific , when it clearly is !
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So it is wrong for a man to belittle a gay man. But it is not wring for a man to belittle a woman?
I'm struggling as to why you see what is and isn't acceptable based on the target of the behaviour rather than the behaviour itself?
You've basically said men should be men (and randomly defended a load of behaviours that aren't at all toxic) bit it's too much when they do it to other men? Surely it's too much whoever they do it too?
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"Toxic Masculinity is a thing, but we had a discussion on here a few weeks ago about and just found that here is a bit of a shit place to try and talk about it as people don't want to face it or constantly take the wrong view on it.
And again since blokes on here keep bringing it up, yes there is a female version, it's often dubbed White Girl Feminism. "
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"Toxic Masculinity is a thing, but we had a discussion on here a few weeks ago about and just found that here is a bit of a shit place to try and talk about it as people don't want to face it or constantly take the wrong view on it.
And again since blokes on here keep bringing it up, yes there is a female version, it's often dubbed White Girl Feminism.
The wrong view? Opposing opinions aren't tolerated? "
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"There are so many possible definitions of toxic masculinity . I abhor violence in any way shape or form so I totally am against this aspect .
Other parts I kind of don’t agree with , like I do think a man displaying typical masculine traits is fine . Nothing wrong with pumping iron , looking good and impressing the ladies . Nor is there anything wrong with not being in touch with our feminine side because some of us are quite happy being men .
I don’t like the homophobic side of toxic masculinity , there’s just no need .
So out if interest which parts oftoxic masculinity when aimed at other men are a bad thing?
The violent aspects , and the belittling of gay/ bi / trans
And when those traits ate aimed at a woman? Is that okay?
I'm sorry but I'm struggling to see the significance of your comment that theres no need for behaviour like that but made it gender speciific
Why would men aim homophobic comments about other men to women ?
I am sorry but I’m struggling to see the significance of your comment about it being gender specific , when it clearly is !
So it is wrong for a man to belittle a gay man. But it is not wring for a man to belittle a woman?
I'm struggling as to why you see what is and isn't acceptable based on the target of the behaviour rather than the behaviour itself?
You've basically said men should be men (and randomly defended a load of behaviours that aren't at all toxic) bit it's too much when they do it to other men? Surely it's too much whoever they do it too?
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Ah I see where you are coming from now .
Yes I think it’s wrong to do it to anyone , but my example was specific in so much as toxic males tend to pick on the gay community more than any other group in my experience .
When I’ve been out in town I often see and hear these men deriding gay men but not women . That’s why I used that example . I haven’t heard men being toxic to women anywhere near as much . |
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"Also if it’s a theory, it’s not a thing just a belief shared by those who agree with it!
As Ricky Gervais says, 'Gravity's a theory. How's that working out for you?' "
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The wrong view? Opposing opinions aren't tolerated? "
The wrong view as in NOT understanding what it is and attributing anything manly to it, which is wrong.
People who object to it are often the same types who believe it's attacking manliness and being a man.
It's thing like beating your child because they might be gay because they don't like the normal gendered roles (e.g. Beating up a son because he doesn't like sports and calling him a f****t), hitting their partner because they spoke up or dared to be better than the "man of the house", dismissing sexual assault because its just the sort of thing us lads do, etc.
It's where they think being a man by acting this way is right. That's Toxic Masculinity, a collective of those traits. |
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"Turns out this is a thing.... any one have any views?
Yeah... it is a phrase which has been coined by miserable narcissistic, self=obsessed feminazis. The term "Toxic Masculinity" was created after a guy changed a burst tyre for Lady Himmler while she was having a flappy, Tena Lady meltdown at the side of the A303.
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"t’s not the masculinity that’s toxic it’s the lack of it. The growing problem in today’s society isn’t that men are to masculine, but aren’t masculine enough. When men deny there masculinity they runaway from responsibilities, creating problems in society.
So why are we trying to feminise young men, this anti male tilt goes from the classroom into the work place. It’s creating passive, tentative men, unhappy women. Women want real men they can look up to, that’s just inate. Passive men don’t defend, protect or provide. Passive men don’t do the things we have always needed men to do for society to thrive.
So why is society trying to make men less toxic, masculine and more like women. These traits that are toxic are also the traits that protect society. Women’s and men’s brains are just wired different, but some want to believe it’s social construct."
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Toxic masculinity means the idea that the way men are taught to behave in life – they should be silent, strong, always ready for violence, contemptuous of weakness (theirs and others), and avoid expressing feelings or “feminine” interests - Basically a load of stereotypical bollocks. |
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Everything has an equal opposite.
So ask yourself what Toxic Femininity is. When you realize that toxic femininity makes no sense, then you will see either does toxic masculinity.
CIA liberal gender politics. Like left wing and right wing. Propaganda labels on things thats all. None of it applies to the EU or the UK but we gobble it up. |
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"t’s not the masculinity that’s toxic it’s the lack of it. The growing problem in today’s society isn’t that men are to masculine, but aren’t masculine enough. When men deny there masculinity they runaway from responsibilities, creating problems in society.
So why are we trying to feminise young men, this anti male tilt goes from the classroom into the work place. It’s creating passive, tentative men, unhappy women. Women want real men they can look up to, that’s just inate. Passive men don’t defend, protect or provide. Passive men don’t do the things we have always needed men to do for society to thrive.
So why is society trying to make men less toxic, masculine and more like women. These traits that are toxic are also the traits that protect society. Women’s and men’s brains are just wired different, but some want to believe it’s social construct.
This reads like a shitty ROTK blog. Pretty "
Please explain?
What I find interesting is that it's been clearly demonstrated in multiple long term studies in the animal world than when you remove the dominant male in the group prematurely while there are no rival males to take over and only very young developing males then their becomes this destructive element that fragments the group society. They have no role model to correct wrong behaviour, discipline and demonstrate how to learn the necessary attributes to be a male to protect and lead that group to successfully continue.
I see many valid points that were made based upon these studies. I think may counter arguments are more immotive based and by many who may be struggling to find their identity. This could be argued from the same studies too.
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The wrong view? Opposing opinions aren't tolerated?
The wrong view as in NOT understanding what it is and attributing anything manly to it, which is wrong.
People who object to it are often the same types who believe it's attacking manliness and being a man.
It's thing like beating your child because they might be gay because they don't like the normal gendered roles (e.g. Beating up a son because he doesn't like sports and calling him a f****t), hitting their partner because they spoke up or dared to be better than the "man of the house", dismissing sexual assault because its just the sort of thing us lads do, etc.
It's where they think being a man by acting this way is right. That's Toxic Masculinity, a collective of those traits. "
So violent assholes acting like violent assholes? I think we can all agree that it's not acceptable behaviour.
Do you not think labelling abhorrent behaviour as toxic masculinity is ultimately devisive and counterproductive? Why not toxic humanity? Or is it only something masculine that's toxic? |
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"t’s not the masculinity that’s toxic it’s the lack of it. The growing problem in today’s society isn’t that men are to masculine, but aren’t masculine enough. When men deny there masculinity they runaway from responsibilities, creating problems in society.
So why are we trying to feminise young men, this anti male tilt goes from the classroom into the work place. It’s creating passive, tentative men, unhappy women. Women want real men they can look up to, that’s just inate. Passive men don’t defend, protect or provide. Passive men don’t do the things we have always needed men to do for society to thrive.
So why is society trying to make men less toxic, masculine and more like women. These traits that are toxic are also the traits that protect society. Women’s and men’s brains are just wired different, but some want to believe it’s social construct.
This reads like a shitty ROTK blog. Pretty "
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The wrong view? Opposing opinions aren't tolerated?
The wrong view as in NOT understanding what it is and attributing anything manly to it, which is wrong.
People who object to it are often the same types who believe it's attacking manliness and being a man.
It's thing like beating your child because they might be gay because they don't like the normal gendered roles (e.g. Beating up a son because he doesn't like sports and calling him a f****t), hitting their partner because they spoke up or dared to be better than the "man of the house", dismissing sexual assault because its just the sort of thing us lads do, etc.
It's where they think being a man by acting this way is right. That's Toxic Masculinity, a collective of those traits.
So violent assholes acting like violent assholes? I think we can all agree that it's not acceptable behaviour.
Do you not think labelling abhorrent behaviour as toxic masculinity is ultimately devisive and counterproductive? Why not toxic humanity? Or is it only something masculine that's toxic? "
You have a very valid point. As with most things the definition of said word or phrase needs to be agreed on before serious debate can be achieved or else one just goes round in circles and as you rightly pointed out it becomes another device and counter productive thing feeding mental voids that can't sieve through what's actually fact or fictitious ramblings. |
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"Isn't it just simpler to say that some people can be cunts? "
I have been saying this for aslong as i can remember .
We're all equal we are all valuable until it comes to differences then suddenly we are all A. B. OR C. etc, the only truth to the pattern is some people are total bellends. I used to work on a truck dock for a large distribution company and a single woman worked on the warehouse floor surrounded by men. She was the single most hateful and nasty human being i have ever met, i saw her reduce one young man to tears over his body odour issue, when i was suspected of having a heart attack (turned out the start of extreme panic attacks before they were so well known about) she had followed the paramedics into the room i was in screaming that there was nothing wrong with me at all, untill they threw her out 
This person was a total cunt and yet the argument she presented was working with a load of men she had no choice.. Frankly the single worst exscuse as the women who worked in the offices complained about sexual harassment from her almost constantly.. I may have lost the thread of my point here but suffice to say cunts are cunts! |
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First of all there is nothing wrong with masculinity. But toxic anything is never good. It seems to me that is a matter good upbringing and respect. Unfortunately something that is lacking. I don't think it can be ironed out simply through societal and legal enforcement. It start with parents and the role models we grow up with. What we need is mum's, dads and the adults we look up to, to step up. Of this men have a huge role to play. We need to show boys what a good man looks like, but likewise girls need good male role models too. Girls also need to see and know what a good man looks likes. Then hopefully women won't think that dickish and disrespectful behaviour from men is normal. Then hopefully they will not accept this shit anymore and the same old stories won't keep repeating them self.
We to often put the onus on men and say changing men is to answer. But from what I can see it's we're in this boat together and women need to change too. They need grow in confidence and self worth.
So my answer is this will never change until we all become better role models for the young men and women in our society. We all have a part to play, toxic masculinity is a problem for all society. We all play our part in it and we all have a part to play to remove it. So all of you take a look at yourself, your words, your actions because they young people around you are watching and learning. |
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"t’s not the masculinity that’s toxic it’s the lack of it. The growing problem in today’s society isn’t that men are to masculine, but aren’t masculine enough. When men deny there masculinity they runaway from responsibilities, creating problems in society.
So why are we trying to feminise young men, this anti male tilt goes from the classroom into the work place. It’s creating passive, tentative men, unhappy women. Women want real men they can look up to, that’s just inate. Passive men don’t defend, protect or provide. Passive men don’t do the things we have always needed men to do for society to thrive.
So why is society trying to make men less toxic, masculine and more like women. These traits that are toxic are also the traits that protect society. Women’s and men’s brains are just wired different, but some want to believe it’s social construct.
This reads like a shitty ROTK blog. Pretty
Instead of calling it ‘shitty’ and I have no idea what a ROTK blog is, maybe you can debate your points and tell me what and why you disagree with, you know like people do in a civilised society. "
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So violent assholes acting like violent assholes? I think we can all agree that it's not acceptable behaviour.
Do you not think labelling abhorrent behaviour as toxic masculinity is ultimately devisive and counterproductive? Why not toxic humanity? Or is it only something masculine that's toxic? "
"Violent Assholes" is a broad range, where as Toxic Masculinity is the deeper process of WHY men become violent assholes. You can just keep your view to surface if that's your preference but in the end it's not going to fix things.
And yes it's Masculinity named BECAUSE it's traits mistaken and warped into how to be a man, it doesn't just affect women, it mainly affects, why do you think male suicide is always so high? Why do men feel like they can't talk about their issues and emotions? Why do men always bottle up their problems in unhealthy ways? If you trace it back enough it's usually because of this false forced view of being a man, "shut up, men arnt supposed to talk about emotions", "real men don't cry", "if you're a man with mental health issues then you deserve to die you failure", etc. |
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"Turns out this is a thing.... any one have any views?"
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I disagree it's a thing, it's maybe a made up thing by feminists but it's definitely not a real thing. |
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"Turns out this is a thing.... any one have any views?.
I disagree it's a thing, it's maybe a made up thing by feminists but it's definitely not a real thing."
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Some facts that may put some statements in perspective.
"19% of women had considered taking their own life. For men the figure was 14%. And women aren’t simply more likely to think about suicide – they are also more likely to act on the idea.
But of the 5,981 deaths by suicide in the UK more than three quarters (4,590) were males.
So if women are more likely to suffer from psychological problems, to experience suicidal thoughts and attempt suicide, how do we explain why men are more likely to die by suicide?
In the UK, for instance, 58% of male suicidesinvolved hanging, strangulation or suffocation. For females, the figure was 36%. Poisoning (which includes overdoses) was used by 43% of female suicides, compared with 20% of males.
Why do methods of suicide differ by gender? One theory is that men are more intent on dying and secondly men are on the whole more likely to act more impulsively than women. Though this is still to be conclusive there is a lot of evidence to suggest this.
Males and females act out culturally prescribed gender roles and so women tend to use methods that preserve their appearance."
“Divorce is a classic factor in suicide for men." 27 recent studies by the Samaritans demonstrate this to be one of the primary factors and it's increasing. These men become socially isolated. Depression and metal disorders arise and on the surface would indicate this is the cause, but it's often a symptom of an event.”
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I would like to add if this resonates with anyone I'd advise to go and talk to someone. If you prefer annoymously then the Samaritans are only a call away. There is something you can do about it get help early. |
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So violent assholes acting like violent assholes? I think we can all agree that it's not acceptable behaviour.
Do you not think labelling abhorrent behaviour as toxic masculinity is ultimately devisive and counterproductive? Why not toxic humanity? Or is it only something masculine that's toxic?
"Violent Assholes" is a broad range, where as Toxic Masculinity is the deeper process of WHY men become violent assholes. You can just keep your view to surface if that's your preference but in the end it's not going to fix things.
And yes it's Masculinity named BECAUSE it's traits mistaken and warped into how to be a man, it doesn't just affect women, it mainly affects, why do you think male suicide is always so high? Why do men feel like they can't talk about their issues and emotions? Why do men always bottle up their problems in unhealthy ways? If you trace it back enough it's usually because of this false forced view of being a man, "shut up, men arnt supposed to talk about emotions", "real men don't cry", "if you're a man with mental health issues then you deserve to die you failure", etc. "
Indeed it is a broad range. I used it because it fit the examples you gave in your initial post.
Perhaps we need to reevaluate male stereotypes and take responsibility for pushing these stereotypes on to men, rather than demonising masculinity. |
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So violent assholes acting like violent assholes? I think we can all agree that it's not acceptable behaviour.
Do you not think labelling abhorrent behaviour as toxic masculinity is ultimately devisive and counterproductive? Why not toxic humanity? Or is it only something masculine that's toxic?
"Violent Assholes" is a broad range, where as Toxic Masculinity is the deeper process of WHY men become violent assholes. You can just keep your view to surface if that's your preference but in the end it's not going to fix things.
And yes it's Masculinity named BECAUSE it's traits mistaken and warped into how to be a man, it doesn't just affect women, it mainly affects, why do you think male suicide is always so high? Why do men feel like they can't talk about their issues and emotions? Why do men always bottle up their problems in unhealthy ways? If you trace it back enough it's usually because of this false forced view of being a man, "shut up, men arnt supposed to talk about emotions", "real men don't cry", "if you're a man with mental health issues then you deserve to die you failure", etc.
Indeed it is a broad range. I used it because it fit the examples you gave in your initial post.
Perhaps we need to reevaluate male stereotypes and take responsibility for pushing these stereotypes on to men, rather than demonising masculinity. "
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"First of all there is nothing wrong with masculinity. But toxic anything is never good. It seems to me that is a matter good upbringing and respect. Unfortunately something that is lacking. I don't think it can be ironed out simply through societal and legal enforcement. It start with parents and the role models we grow up with. What we need is mum's, dads and the adults we look up to, to step up. Of this men have a huge role to play. We need to show boys what a good man looks like, but likewise girls need good male role models too. Girls also need to see and know what a good man looks likes. Then hopefully women won't think that dickish and disrespectful behaviour from men is normal. Then hopefully they will not accept this shit anymore and the same old stories won't keep repeating them self.
We to often put the onus on men and say changing men is to answer. But from what I can see it's we're in this boat together and women need to change too. They need grow in confidence and self worth.
So my answer is this will never change until we all become better role models for the young men and women in our society. We all have a part to play, toxic masculinity is a problem for all society. We all play our part in it and we all have a part to play to remove it. So all of you take a look at yourself, your words, your actions because they young people around you are watching and learning."
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"Perhaps we need to reevaluate male stereotypes and take responsibility for pushing these stereotypes on to men, rather than demonising masculinity. "
And that's what the movement is actually about actual traditional masculine traits are celebrated (caring, wanting to protect, support, etc), it's just the Toxic traits that need to be removed and of course that's done through teaching and being a good role model for the younger boys of today. |
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"Turns out this is a thing.... any one have any views?
Yeah... it is a phrase which has been coined by miserable narcissistic, self=obsessed feminazis. The term "Toxic Masculinity" was created after a guy changed a burst tyre for Lady Himmler while she was having a flappy, Tena Lady meltdown at the side of the A303."
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"It's actually a sociological concept that is part of Gender Order Theory that recognises various types of masculinity and attempts to explain how some men maintain the dominant position in society above other men and all women. The 'toxic' refers to certain harmful methods that some men use to reinforce their dominant position, such as physical violence. Most people who see toxic masculinity as an issue do so because they believe it to be harmful to both women and men, not just women. It's got nothing to do with 'feminazis'."
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"First of all there is nothing wrong with masculinity. But toxic anything is never good. It seems to me that is a matter good upbringing and respect. Unfortunately something that is lacking. I don't think it can be ironed out simply through societal and legal enforcement. It start with parents and the role models we grow up with. What we need is mum's, dads and the adults we look up to, to step up. Of this men have a huge role to play. We need to show boys what a good man looks like, but likewise girls need good male role models too. Girls also need to see and know what a good man looks likes. Then hopefully women won't think that dickish and disrespectful behaviour from men is normal. Then hopefully they will not accept this shit anymore and the same old stories won't keep repeating them self.
We to often put the onus on men and say changing men is to answer. But from what I can see it's we're in this boat together and women need to change too. They need grow in confidence and self worth.
So my answer is this will never change until we all become better role models for the young men and women in our society. We all have a part to play, toxic masculinity is a problem for all society. We all play our part in it and we all have a part to play to remove it. So all of you take a look at yourself, your words, your actions because they young people around you are watching and learning."
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"Turns out this is a thing.... any one have any views?
Yeah... it is a phrase which has been coined by miserable narcissistic, self=obsessed feminazis. The term "Toxic Masculinity" was created after a guy changed a burst tyre for Lady Himmler while she was having a flappy, Tena Lady meltdown at the side of the A303."
Thanks for the prime example.
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"t’s not the masculinity that’s toxic it’s the lack of it. The growing problem in today’s society isn’t that men are to masculine, but aren’t masculine enough. When men deny there masculinity they runaway from responsibilities, creating problems in society.
So why are we trying to feminise young men, this anti male tilt goes from the classroom into the work place. It’s creating passive, tentative men, unhappy women. Women want real men they can look up to, that’s just inate. Passive men don’t defend, protect or provide. Passive men don’t do the things we have always needed men to do for society to thrive.
So why is society trying to make men less toxic, masculine and more like women. These traits that are toxic are also the traits that protect society. Women’s and men’s brains are just wired different, but some want to believe it’s social construct."
It really isn't 'innate'
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"t’s not the masculinity that’s toxic it’s the lack of it. The growing problem in today’s society isn’t that men are to masculine, but aren’t masculine enough. When men deny there masculinity they runaway from responsibilities, creating problems in society.
So why are we trying to feminise young men, this anti male tilt goes from the classroom into the work place. It’s creating passive, tentative men, unhappy women. Women want real men they can look up to, that’s just inate. Passive men don’t defend, protect or provide. Passive men don’t do the things we have always needed men to do for society to thrive.
So why is society trying to make men less toxic, masculine and more like women. These traits that are toxic are also the traits that protect society. Women’s and men’s brains are just wired different, but some want to believe it’s social construct.
It really isn't 'innate'
Love Boudicca"
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"t’s not the masculinity that’s toxic it’s the lack of it. The growing problem in today’s society isn’t that men are to masculine, but aren’t masculine enough. When men deny there masculinity they runaway from responsibilities, creating problems in society.
So why are we trying to feminise young men, this anti male tilt goes from the classroom into the work place. It’s creating passive, tentative men, unhappy women. Women want real men they can look up to, that’s just inate. Passive men don’t defend, protect or provide. Passive men don’t do the things we have always needed men to do for society to thrive.
So why is society trying to make men less toxic, masculine and more like women. These traits that are toxic are also the traits that protect society. Women’s and men’s brains are just wired different, but some want to believe it’s social construct.
It really isn't 'innate'
Love Boudicca
Fished in. Innate, check the date! "
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"It's actually a sociological concept that is part of Gender Order Theory that recognises various types of masculinity and attempts to explain how some men maintain the dominant position in society above other men and all women. The 'toxic' refers to certain harmful methods that some men use to reinforce their dominant position, such as physical violence. Most people who see toxic masculinity as an issue do so because they believe it to be harmful to both women and men, not just women. It's got nothing to do with 'feminazis'."
^ this.
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"It's actually a sociological concept that is part of Gender Order Theory that recognises various types of masculinity and attempts to explain how some men maintain the dominant position in society above other men and all women. The 'toxic' refers to certain harmful methods that some men use to reinforce their dominant position, such as physical violence. Most people who see toxic masculinity as an issue do so because they believe it to be harmful to both women and men, not just women. It's got nothing to do with 'feminazis'."
Plus the correct context to use it would be 'toxic masculine behaviour' rather than toxic masculinity, surely?
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"Personally, I don't think it's a thing. In life, you simply have dickheads and non-dickeheads... this applies to both genders.  "
Best way of putting it. I also massively object to the sexist phrase 'toxic masculinity'. There is nothing 'toxic' about masculinity. Masculinity is beautiful and attractive and natural on a Man, the same way Femininity is beautiful, attractive and natural on a Woman. Stop demonising men with political slogans which originate in man hating intersectional feminist ideology. Intersectional Feminism is a sexist, misogynist, misandrist, racist, divisive ideology and not only should it not be taken seriously but it should be ignored completely for the benefit of humans everywhere. |
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"Best way of putting it. I also massively object to the sexist phrase 'toxic masculinity'. There is nothing 'toxic' about masculinity."
So you're another person who misses the point and think it's attacking Masculinity when that's not the case, cool. |
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"Best way of putting it. I also massively object to the sexist phrase 'toxic masculinity'. There is nothing 'toxic' about masculinity.
So you're another person who misses the point and think it's attacking Masculinity when that's not the case, cool. "
Nope I don't miss the point. I understand it and reject it and I explained the reason why. I think intersectional feminism which postulates this concept is a highly theoretical neomarxist school of thought which I reject and believe is false. It has no basis in reality. |
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"Turns out this is a thing.... any one have any views?"
It's just another label invented for today's society of the easily offended and I'm not special unless I'm categorised into a certain group or "label"
Utter bollox.
Be yourself
Be honest
Be respectful and polite.
And most importantly
Always wear sunscreen. |
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"Turns out this is a thing.... any one have any views?
It's just another label invented for today's society of the easily offended and I'm not special unless I'm categorised into a certain group or "label"
Utter bollox.
Be yourself
Be honest
Be respectful and polite.
And most importantly
Always wear sunscreen."
Yup, agree. Especially with the last part. |
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