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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Parents giving their kids food to eat as they go round the supermarket, before they've paid for it.

How do they get away with it? They are teaching their kids it's ok to shoplift. Take whatever you want without paying.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I remember going shopping as a child with my next door neighbors once and they let them eat crisps etc going round, even then I felt uncomfortable!

Danish x

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By *irth.Minge.FireMan over a year ago

Seen in far off places

"Parents giving their kids food to eat as they go round the supermarket, before they've paid for it.

How do they get away with it? They are teaching their kids it's ok to shoplift. Take whatever you want without paying.

ASDA by any chance?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

My wee sister was awful with this; she used to just pick up a tub of smarties and munch away. My mum used to go mental and would give the empty packet to be scanned. She stopped soon enough

Some shops do fruit for free for kids. Probably to prevent this. I know a few parents who have ‘snack boxes’ which is filled with chopped fruit, cocktail sausages, nuts etc.

Parents shouldn’t be encouraging their kids to steal

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think everyone is just relieved the child is quiet

I used to give mine a cucumber and had till it was eaten to get done and out. Pay for at the end by showing a soggy label.

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By *uzukiNo1Woman over a year ago

Rhyl

Some supermarkets provide free fruit for the little ones as you walk in now....great idea...

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

I used to open a loaf and give them a slice. I didn't put it back on the shelf though

I notice that Tesco have free fruit for kids.

We once got home and realised that we hadn't paid for a comic one of them was reading as we went round

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I used to open a loaf and give them a slice. I didn't put it back on the shelf though

I notice that Tesco have free fruit for kids.

We once got home and realised that we hadn't paid for a comic one of them was reading as we went round

We went to a card shop when my son was pushchair age and came out he had one of those small cakes they have at the tills, I was mortified! He didn’t know at that age, I took it back in and explained, they were fine about it lol

Danish x

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"I used to open a loaf and give them a slice. I didn't put it back on the shelf though

I notice that Tesco have free fruit for kids.

We once got home and realised that we hadn't paid for a comic one of them was reading as we went round

Danish x"

When our oldest was about 8 months old I carried them into a greengrocers. A woman tapped me on the shoulder and said "your baby's shoplifting a banana"

The shop owner gave her the banana and every time we went in there afterwards gave her something

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's not shoplifting if you pay for it at the end imho

Never mind kids, my ex Mrs used to feed herself as she went round

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By *andybeachWoman over a year ago

In the middle

I sound really strict but I never did this with my kids, whatever treat I had bought for them was eaten in the car or at home depending on what it was, I’m afraid I was one of those parents that said no and meant it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Some supermarkets provide free fruit for the little ones as you walk in now....great idea..."

I’ve seen that in Morrisons, it’s a great idea

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By *anielpiercedMan over a year ago

by the seaside

"Parents giving their kids food to eat as they go round the supermarket, before they've paid for it.

How do they get away with it? They are teaching their kids it's ok to shoplift. Take whatever you want without paying.

It's called grazing and acknowledged as a theft unless the parents keep the packaging and pay at the end of their shop. Not likely most will though.

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By *orkie321bWoman over a year ago

Nottingham

"Parents giving their kids food to eat as they go round the supermarket, before they've paid for it.

How do they get away with it? They are teaching their kids it's ok to shoplift. Take whatever you want without paying.

ASDA by any chance?"

It doesn't matter which supermarket, it happens in all of them.

It's not just parents giving stuff to their kids though. Many shoppers have a three course meal on the way round and hand you all the empty packaging to scan at the till

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Erm I don’t know about other parents but I myself have had to pop out to Tesco and my child has suddenly turned into the girl from the exorcist and projectile vomited so I grabbed a bottle of water and tissues/wipes and paid for it all at the end without damaging the barcodes so they could still scan stuff

I’ve been in Sainsbury’s after work and ended up with a migraine so I panicked as I tend to lose my sight temporarily and go dizzy. I’ve grabbed a Mars bar or something for myself and again paid at the end.

Not sure why it has to be a debate or why that’s classed as shoplifting though

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Parents giving their kids food to eat as they go round the supermarket, before they've paid for it.

How do they get away with it? They are teaching their kids it's ok to shoplift. Take whatever you want without paying.

ASDA by any chance?

It doesn't matter which supermarket, it happens in all of them.

It's not just parents giving stuff to their kids though. Many shoppers have a three course meal on the way round and hand you all the empty packaging to scan at the till

That’s good they pay that’s not shoplifting

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I used to open a loaf and give them a slice. I didn't put it back on the shelf though

I notice that Tesco have free fruit for kids.

We once got home and realised that we hadn't paid for a comic one of them was reading as we went round

Danish x

When our oldest was about 8 months old I carried them into a greengrocers. A woman tapped me on the shoulder and said "your baby's shoplifting a banana"

The shop owner gave her the banana and every time we went in there afterwards gave her something

Hahaha I love it... 8 months old and accused of shoplifting a banana!

By 18 months he’d progressed to robbing banks with a water pistol or nerf gun

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Erm I don’t know about other parents but I myself have had to pop out to Tesco and my child has suddenly turned into the girl from the exorcist and projectile vomited so I grabbed a bottle of water and tissues/wipes and paid for it all at the end without damaging the barcodes so they could still scan stuff

Not sure why it has to be a debate or why that’s classed as shoplifting though

Why not pay for it first?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I used to open a loaf and give them a slice. I didn't put it back on the shelf though

I notice that Tesco have free fruit for kids.

We once got home and realised that we hadn't paid for a comic one of them was reading as we went round

Danish x

When our oldest was about 8 months old I carried them into a greengrocers. A woman tapped me on the shoulder and said "your baby's shoplifting a banana"

The shop owner gave her the banana and every time we went in there afterwards gave her something

Hahaha I love it... 8 months old and accused of shoplifting a banana!

By 18 months he’d progressed to robbing banks with a water pistol or nerf gun "

Mini bank robber. Now that's a good idea.

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By *irth.Minge.FireMan over a year ago

Seen in far off places

"Parents giving their kids food to eat as they go round the supermarket, before they've paid for it.

How do they get away with it? They are teaching their kids it's ok to shoplift. Take whatever you want without paying.

ASDA by any chance?

It doesn't matter which supermarket, it happens in all of them.

It's not just parents giving stuff to their kids though. Many shoppers have a three course meal on the way round and hand you all the empty packaging to scan at the till

Not sure it would happen in Waitrose or M&S

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Parents giving their kids food to eat as they go round the supermarket, before they've paid for it.

How do they get away with it? They are teaching their kids it's ok to shoplift. Take whatever you want without paying.

ASDA by any chance?

It doesn't matter which supermarket, it happens in all of them.

It's not just parents giving stuff to their kids though. Many shoppers have a three course meal on the way round and hand you all the empty packaging to scan at the till

Some people have no shame. Were they wearing pyjamas?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I let my kids do this. I quite often open a drink on the way round and just pay at the end.

I don't see anything wrong with it as long as you pay

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Not sure why it has to be a debate or why that’s classed as shoplifting though

Why not pay for it first? "

Not easy to think logically when I’m having a panic attack where I suffer with really bad anxiety but I’ll try to remember next time I’m shopping and take ill

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I used to open a loaf and give them a slice. I didn't put it back on the shelf though

I notice that Tesco have free fruit for kids.

We once got home and realised that we hadn't paid for a comic one of them was reading as we went round

Danish x

When our oldest was about 8 months old I carried them into a greengrocers. A woman tapped me on the shoulder and said "your baby's shoplifting a banana"

The shop owner gave her the banana and every time we went in there afterwards gave her something

Hahaha I love it... 8 months old and accused of shoplifting a banana!

By 18 months he’d progressed to robbing banks with a water pistol or nerf gun

Mini bank robber. Now that's a good idea. "

When he started nursery that’s when he escalated to pimping the young girls in his class getting them addicted to Smarties

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By *a Fee VerteWoman over a year ago

Limbo

I can understand doing this - so long as you pay for what you've taken - if, say, you're diabetic, get a sudden hypo and need some emergency fruit juice or jelly babies to raise your blood sugar. But come on, unless you're going to be in there for the whole day it really won't be necessary in most cases.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Parents giving their kids food to eat as they go round the supermarket, before they've paid for it.

How do they get away with it? They are teaching their kids it's ok to shoplift. Take whatever you want without paying.

ASDA by any chance?

It doesn't matter which supermarket, it happens in all of them.

It's not just parents giving stuff to their kids though. Many shoppers have a three course meal on the way round and hand you all the empty packaging to scan at the till

Some people have no shame. Were they wearing pyjamas?"

I go round the local co-op in my pjs lmao but I have showered like I don’t go round all minging

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By *irth.Minge.FireMan over a year ago

Seen in far off places

"Parents giving their kids food to eat as they go round the supermarket, before they've paid for it.

How do they get away with it? They are teaching their kids it's ok to shoplift. Take whatever you want without paying.

ASDA by any chance?

It doesn't matter which supermarket, it happens in all of them.

It's not just parents giving stuff to their kids though. Many shoppers have a three course meal on the way round and hand you all the empty packaging to scan at the till

Some people have no shame. Were they wearing pyjamas?

I go round the local co-op in my pjs lmao but I have showered like I don’t go round all minging "

Such behaviours should be outlawed

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I used to open a loaf and give them a slice. I didn't put it back on the shelf though

I notice that Tesco have free fruit for kids.

We once got home and realised that we hadn't paid for a comic one of them was reading as we went round

Danish x

When our oldest was about 8 months old I carried them into a greengrocers. A woman tapped me on the shoulder and said "your baby's shoplifting a banana"

The shop owner gave her the banana and every time we went in there afterwards gave her something

Hahaha I love it... 8 months old and accused of shoplifting a banana!

By 18 months he’d progressed to robbing banks with a water pistol or nerf gun

Mini bank robber. Now that's a good idea.

When he started nursery that’s when he escalated to pimping the young girls in his class getting them addicted to Smarties "

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I can understand doing this - so long as you pay for what you've taken - if, say, you're diabetic, get a sudden hypo and need some emergency fruit juice or jelly babies to raise your blood sugar. But come on, unless you're going to be in there for the whole day it really won't be necessary in most cases."

Emergencies are different. Otherwise it's shoplifting.

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By *thwalescplCouple over a year ago

brecon

It's only theft if you pass the last point at which you should pay, and don't do so.

The only time it is illegal is when grapes etc used to be sold by weight... people used to pick a bag, and then eat some on the way round, and pay for what was left.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Parents giving their kids food to eat as they go round the supermarket, before they've paid for it.

How do they get away with it? They are teaching their kids it's ok to shoplift. Take whatever you want without paying.

ASDA by any chance?

It doesn't matter which supermarket, it happens in all of them.

It's not just parents giving stuff to their kids though. Many shoppers have a three course meal on the way round and hand you all the empty packaging to scan at the till

Some people have no shame. Were they wearing pyjamas?

I go round the local co-op in my pjs lmao but I have showered like I don’t go round all minging

Such behaviours should be outlawed"

Couldn’t give a shit, not getting my ballgown on just to nip the co-op when I realised I’m out of milk for my after shower and pre bedtime drink

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Emergencies are different. Otherwise it's shoplifting."

But is it? If you pay at the end?

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By *irth.Minge.FireMan over a year ago

Seen in far off places

Emergencies are different. Otherwise it's shoplifting."

And wearing ones pyjamas to the supermarket is quite simply moronic

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Emergencies are different. Otherwise it's shoplifting.

And wearing ones pyjamas to the supermarket is quite simply moronic"

Moronic PJ wearing convenience shopper here AND PROUD

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's only theft if you pass the last point at which you should pay, and don't do so.

The only time it is illegal is when grapes etc used to be sold by weight... people used to pick a bag, and then eat some on the way round, and pay for what was left."

Exactly this

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman over a year ago

all loved up

Emergencies are different. Otherwise it's shoplifting."
not if you pay at the end it isn't. As you have to physically leave the store without paying before it becomes theft

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By *thwalescplCouple over a year ago

brecon

"I let my kids do this. I quite often open a drink on the way round and just pay at the end.

I don't see anything wrong with it as long as you pay "

Not a problem with this.

However, I did once have to "have a chat" with a couple who seemed to be having a picnic at the expense of Tesco, they spent about 40 minutes wandering round, picking stuff up, opening cans of drink for the kids and themselves, scoffing sandwiches etc, and dumping the wrapping. I stopped them after they passed the tills and sent them back to recover the wrappers and pay.... they were not happy lol.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I was in Lidl a few weeks ago and this lady and her mum was picking up jars of jam and opening them and putting their fingers in and telling each other which they liked. Then they put the lids on and put them back on the sleeves.

I told one of the manger's and he said he was to busy to look. But would check cameras later.

I put my stuff back and not been back in that store

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What's your view on pick n mix OP ?

Surely you have to try one of each before you buy a load more

I think that's a taste test

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I was in Lidl a few weeks ago and this lady and her mum was picking up jars of jam and opening them and putting their fingers in and telling each other which they liked. Then they put the lids on and put them back on the sleeves.

I told one of the manger's and he said he was to busy to look. But would check cameras later.

I put my stuff back and not been back in that store"

That’s where people need to get tae fuck

Nastiness ugh

Don’t blame you, lovely that’s atrocious

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I let my kids do this. I quite often open a drink on the way round and just pay at the end.

I don't see anything wrong with it as long as you pay

Not a problem with this.

That’s blatant theft and well done to you as these people cost businesses millions meaning prices rise for us PJ wearing law-abiding citizens x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Not everyone that does it is stealing! I have done it when it is either eat or pass out... I have never not payed for what I have eaten

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What’s even worse than theft is seeing people taking stuff off the shelves and giving to their kids before paying for it or stealing it! Surely you have fed them before shopping!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Emergencies are different. Otherwise it's shoplifting."

If you pay for what is eaten before leaving is it shoplifting?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Emergencies are different. Otherwise it's shoplifting.

And wearing ones pyjamas to the supermarket is quite simply moronic

Moronic PJ wearing convenience shopper here AND PROUD

What peejays though? A Disney onesie is best

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By *irth.Minge.FireMan over a year ago

Seen in far off places

"What’s even worse than theft is seeing people taking stuff off the shelves and giving to their kids before paying for it or stealing it! Surely you have fed them before shopping! "

Or maybe the poor children have endured a bout of passive smoking before venturing into the supermarket?

A quick shop for sugary ladened junk before heading home for the next instalment of the Jeremy Kyle Show...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What’s even worse than theft is seeing people taking stuff off the shelves and giving to their kids before paying for it or stealing it! Surely you have fed them before shopping!

Or maybe the poor children have endured a bout of passive smoking before venturing into the supermarket?

A quick shop for sugary ladened junk before heading home for the next instalment of the Jeremy Kyle Show..."
This

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Slow Saturday, isn't it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Emergencies are different. Otherwise it's shoplifting.

And wearing ones pyjamas to the supermarket is quite simply moronic

Moronic PJ wearing convenience shopper here AND PROUD

What peejays though? A Disney onesie is best

I love you woman!!!

My Cookie Monster ones bring all the boys to the yard as his big googly eyes are strategically positioned on my tits

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Emergencies are different. Otherwise it's shoplifting.

And wearing ones pyjamas to the supermarket is quite simply moronic

Moronic PJ wearing convenience shopper here AND PROUD

What peejays though? A Disney onesie is best

I love you woman!!!

My Cookie Monster ones bring all the boys to the yard as his big googly eyes are strategically positioned on my tits

Fake Ugg boots too I presume.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Slow Saturday, isn't it."

Setting an example for my kids by meeting strangers for sex and other things, but heaven forbid i should give them a fucking packet of cheese and onion crisps in the middle of waitrose and pay for them at the end.i actually thought id seen it all on here..but parent bashing is a new one on here

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Emergencies are different. Otherwise it's shoplifting.

And wearing ones pyjamas to the supermarket is quite simply moronic

Moronic PJ wearing convenience shopper here AND PROUD

What peejays though? A Disney onesie is best

I love you woman!!!

My Cookie Monster ones bring all the boys to the yard as his big googly eyes are strategically positioned on my tits

Fake Ugg boots too I presume."

HELL NO

don’t like the real or fake ones...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Slow Saturday, isn't it.

To be fair that was my reaction too but I already mentioned sanctimonious folk on another thread x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Been a few times when out shopping I’ve been so desperate for a drink that I’ve had to open it and pay for the empty can/bottle at the end. It’s not something I do on a regular basis and not something I encourage my son to do

Mrscxxx

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By *om and JennieCouple over a year ago

Chams or Socials

I’ve done this myself when my blood sugars have dropped. I always pay though

J x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Slow Saturday, isn't it.

I completely agree, wtaf?! Many times I've opened the family bag of Walkers crisps that I'd tantalisingly placed in front of my child. Letting my kid munch on a packet of crisps to keep them schtum whilst I whizz around the aisles as quick as I can so I can get the eff out of there is not shoplifting

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By *imiUKMan over a year ago

Hereford

I'm not sure that I can muster the energy to care. Supermarkets waste hundreds of tons of food annually. I'm sure they can cover the loss.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm not sure that I can muster the energy to care. Supermarkets waste hundreds of tons of food annually. I'm sure they can cover the loss."

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By *orkie321bWoman over a year ago

Nottingham

"Parents giving their kids food to eat as they go round the supermarket, before they've paid for it.

How do they get away with it? They are teaching their kids it's ok to shoplift. Take whatever you want without paying.

ASDA by any chance?

It doesn't matter which supermarket, it happens in all of them.

It's not just parents giving stuff to their kids though. Many shoppers have a three course meal on the way round and hand you all the empty packaging to scan at the till

Not sure it would happen in Waitrose or M&S"

It does!

I work for sainsburys and my sister works for m&s!

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

You can consume food, as long as you aren't trying to avoid payment. I've paid for partly consumed food before, when I've got a tiny amount of time.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Never have I ever done that. Never needed to. From a baby my daughter was always happy when we were shopping. She was also happy going out to restaurants and would sit in a high chair and be giggling. Maybe, and this only a possible reason, I was on maternity leave for the first 8 months of her life and would eat in my mums pub every day (I would) so she was used to being out in public sitting in her car seat watching the world, enjoying people cooing at her. Maybe she was conditioned from birth to being in public and enjoyed people watching!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think it's more about the message that's being sent to the children more than anything, that it's ok to help yourself.

Plus you never know if there's gonna be an issue of some kind. Let's say you get a call and need to leave the store urgently, leaving your trolley strewn and not paying for what you've eaten.

What if there's a fire alarm, and you don't have time once allowed back in to continue shopping?

What if there's a technical issue or you've forgotten/lost your purse/bank card etc?

These things DO need to be taken into consideration, because until you've purchased it, it isn't actually yours, regardless of whether you intend to pay for it.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

I told one of the manger's and he said he was to busy to look. But would check cameras later.

I put my stuff back and not been back in that store"

That's disgusting.

Good for you.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I think it's more about the message that's being sent to the children more than anything, that it's ok to help yourself.

Plus you never know if there's gonna be an issue of some kind. Let's say you get a call and need to leave the store urgently, leaving your trolley strewn and not paying for what you've eaten.

What if there's a fire alarm, and you don't have time once allowed back in to continue shopping?

What if there's a technical issue or you've forgotten/lost your purse/bank card etc?

These things DO need to be taken into consideration, because until you've purchased it, it isn't actually yours, regardless of whether you intend to pay for it.

Indeed.

I remember when people were proud of helping little old ladies across the street and being polite to people. These days they're proud of eating food before paying for it and wearing pyjamas in public. What a world we live in.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think it's more about the message that's being sent to the children more than anything, that it's ok to help yourself.

Plus you never know if there's gonna be an issue of some kind. Let's say you get a call and need to leave the store urgently, leaving your trolley strewn and not paying for what you've eaten.

What if there's a fire alarm, and you don't have time once allowed back in to continue shopping?

What if there's a technical issue or you've forgotten/lost your purse/bank card etc?

These things DO need to be taken into consideration, because until you've purchased it, it isn't actually yours, regardless of whether you intend to pay for it.

Indeed.

You wouldn't drive a car of a forecourt of a garage without paying for it, even if your intention was to fill it up with fuel then go back and pay for the car. I know this sounds crazy in comparison as the cost difference etc. I'm willing to bet if you were to add up all the genuinely innocent "have eaten yet not paid for" for whatever reason, be it technical or whatever, over the course of say a year, it's gotta be knocking on for the same price as that car you'd never dream of driving off in.

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By *ikerjohnMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

It's only theft if there is an intention to permanently deprive and it is done dishonestly. If the packaging is being kept then that would indicate an intention to pay and a lack of dishonesty (although that could be subject to change as a result of the recent Supreme Court decision in Ivey).

In the vast majority of instances such as this it will be nigh on impossible to prove theft. Whereas stuffing a packet of burgers down your trousers is far easier to prove as theft.

Whether it is morally right is another question. If I had kids I'd be teaching them to wait until they'd been paid for.

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By *etter the devil you knowWoman over a year ago

Lyndhurst

Yes its wrong, and surely they could wait until they have paid for it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think it's more about the message that's being sent to the children more than anything, that it's ok to help yourself.

Plus you never know if there's gonna be an issue of some kind. Let's say you get a call and need to leave the store urgently, leaving your trolley strewn and not paying for what you've eaten.

What if there's a fire alarm, and you don't have time once allowed back in to continue shopping?

What if there's a technical issue or you've forgotten/lost your purse/bank card etc?

These things DO need to be taken into consideration, because until you've purchased it, it isn't actually yours, regardless of whether you intend to pay for it.

Indeed.

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By *ade and VanessaCouple over a year ago

Central Scotland

I've seen me taking a cereal bar or similar out of a box I'm buying if I've forgotten a distraction snack. I pay for the box at the till though. I have also scanned an empty packet of cocktail sausages

always pay for it though

V x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I’ve had to do it. My daughter started having a meltdown and grabbed a bar of chocolate. Package kept and product paid for. My daughter is autistic, back then she looked like a naughty child and I was criticised for her behaviour. Now she’s older it’s more obvious that it’s a disability.

Hence I never judge. As long as the products are paid for it’s all good, if they’re not then that is a reflection of the person, and I doubt that they’d care either way what others think of them xx

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If we'd done this as kids my mum would have killed us!

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"If we'd done this as kids my mum would have killed us! "

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

In some places I go to you pay for produce by weight and I see kids chowing down on grapes. The parents might pay for the leftovers, but not what's been eaten. Imo that's theft, tacky, and a bad example. Eating then paying for it is perhaps less than ideal, but stuff happens.

(in real life I might raise an eyebrow but wouldn't say a word. I only mention it here because it came up)

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If we'd done this as kids my mum would have killed us! "

My mum would too, but having experienced what we have with my daughter, we’re more tolerant about a lot of things now.

Tbh, the choking hazard was of greater concern than the fact the little monkey grabbed a chocolate and ate it, because she rammed it into her mouth.

We now always try to carry a snack or something with us, but her carers have experienced it as well with her. She doesn’t understand the concept of money, etc, so we try not to judge anyone- stressed parents, autism being a more prevalent and hidden disability etc xx

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

As long as its paid for at the end it makes life easier for everyone.

Sadly as a grown man i dont think it would be ok for me to do it

Sometimes when im very thirsty after a ride i will buy a drink at the self service then drink it as i do the rest of the shop

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"If we'd done this as kids my mum would have killed us!

My mum would too, but having experienced what we have with my daughter, we’re more tolerant about a lot of things now.

Tbh, the choking hazard was of greater concern than the fact the little monkey grabbed a chocolate and ate it, because she rammed it into her mouth.

Good point about the choking hazard. Especially grapes.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"If we'd done this as kids my mum would have killed us!

My mum would too, but having experienced what we have with my daughter, we’re more tolerant about a lot of things now.

Tbh, the choking hazard was of greater concern than the fact the little monkey grabbed a chocolate and ate it, because she rammed it into her mouth.

I do now wonder how many public exhibits of "bad behaviour" and harsh discipline I witnessed in the supermarket growing up are now avoided because disability is better understood.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If we'd done this as kids my mum would have killed us!

My mum would too, but having experienced what we have with my daughter, we’re more tolerant about a lot of things now.

Tbh, the choking hazard was of greater concern than the fact the little monkey grabbed a chocolate and ate it, because she rammed it into her mouth.

I do now wonder how many public exhibits of "bad behaviour" and harsh discipline I witnessed in the supermarket growing up are now avoided because disability is better understood. "

Well given autism onky affects 1.1% of the population but misbehaving as kids affects about 100% of the population probbaly not many

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If we'd done this as kids my mum would have killed us!

My mum would too, but having experienced what we have with my daughter, we’re more tolerant about a lot of things now.

Tbh, the choking hazard was of greater concern than the fact the little monkey grabbed a chocolate and ate it, because she rammed it into her mouth.

I do now wonder how many public exhibits of "bad behaviour" and harsh discipline I witnessed in the supermarket growing up are now avoided because disability is better understood.

Well given autism onky affects 1.1% of the population but misbehaving as kids affects about 100% of the population probbaly not many"

Google is great, lol. Statistically it may be actually be higher, that’s just the confirmed cases, and as the diagnosis process varies in time scale etc, no one can actually say what the percentage is.

Whatever the percentage, it’s good that people are more aware of the hidden disabilities.

Although, in my own experience some adults (not just kids who are ignorant) can be judgemental arses. The amount of times I’ve been left upset at the cruelty of others is beyond belief xx

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Apologies to the OP for hijacking the thread. I’ll stop now, haha. Whatever the reason, people will have their own views on eating food in supermarkets xx

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"In some places I go to you pay for produce by weight and I see kids chowing down on grapes. The parents might pay for the leftovers, but not what's been eaten. Imo that's theft, tacky, and a bad example. Eating then paying for it is perhaps less than ideal, but stuff happens.

(in real life I might raise an eyebrow but wouldn't say a word. I only mention it here because it came up) "
In a lot of supermarkets you can weigh produce and print a price label off in the fruit and veg aisles to save time at checkout, so maybe they do that?

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By *r MoriartyMan over a year ago

The Land that time forgot (Norfolk)

It's not yours until you've paid for it.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"If we'd done this as kids my mum would have killed us!

My mum would too, but having experienced what we have with my daughter, we’re more tolerant about a lot of things now.

Tbh, the choking hazard was of greater concern than the fact the little monkey grabbed a chocolate and ate it, because she rammed it into her mouth.

I do now wonder how many public exhibits of "bad behaviour" and harsh discipline I witnessed in the supermarket growing up are now avoided because disability is better understood.

Well given autism onky affects 1.1% of the population but misbehaving as kids affects about 100% of the population probbaly not many"

You'll notice I said disability, not autism.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If we'd done this as kids my mum would have killed us!

My mum would too, but having experienced what we have with my daughter, we’re more tolerant about a lot of things now.

Tbh, the choking hazard was of greater concern than the fact the little monkey grabbed a chocolate and ate it, because she rammed it into her mouth.

I do now wonder how many public exhibits of "bad behaviour" and harsh discipline I witnessed in the supermarket growing up are now avoided because disability is better understood.

Well given autism onky affects 1.1% of the population but misbehaving as kids affects about 100% of the population probbaly not many

You'll notice I said disability, not autism. "

ADHD etc? I’m glad that people are more aware and more tolerant now, although that’s not always the case. I cringe at how parents would just smack their children or shout them out- still happens and those parents really wouldn’t care about charges of shoplifting, their parenting skills are abhorrent anyway xx

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"If we'd done this as kids my mum would have killed us!

My mum would too, but having experienced what we have with my daughter, we’re more tolerant about a lot of things now.

Tbh, the choking hazard was of greater concern than the fact the little monkey grabbed a chocolate and ate it, because she rammed it into her mouth.

I do now wonder how many public exhibits of "bad behaviour" and harsh discipline I witnessed in the supermarket growing up are now avoided because disability is better understood.

Well given autism onky affects 1.1% of the population but misbehaving as kids affects about 100% of the population probbaly not many

You'll notice I said disability, not autism.

Anything, really. Things have improved a lot since I was a kid for those with disabilities.

And I think that it is sometimes obvious when it's not just bad kid/ bad parents. I remember as a kid seeing a teenager having a full on melt down kicking and screaming on the floor. In retrospect I suspect that was a disability and the walloping that ensued was unfair.

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By *imiUKMan over a year ago

Hereford

"It's not yours until you've paid for it."

Property is theft.

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By *stellaWoman over a year ago

London

"It's not yours until you've paid for it."

And yet legally prosecution would have to have evidence of intent to not pay...so it is actually a fun grey area.

I don’t do it, but there are things I’d bother to get enraged by and this isn’t one at all.

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By *ommenhimCouple over a year ago

wigan

I don’t believe I’m reading this twaddle! I shop in supermarkets.... some of them do hot sandwiches etc and if I’m passing and hungry I’ll take one and eat it as I shop, if my little one was hungry, thirsty, etc, I would happily open something for her .... if I fancied at the time any of the goods I have in my trolley I would, without a worry tuck in. I pay for everything I or my child consume.... I am not a thief and I don’t need to rationalise my behaviour with diabetes, funny turn, about to drop, my child is a child and doesn’t need to have adhd or anything to be hungry or thirsty. Never thought that someone would look at either of us as being thieves ..... I have never considered the world ending, my impending heart attack, my method of payment spontaneously combusting and if any of those happens i’ll Do my best to reimburse the shop.

Now if all those supermarkets can meet me half way and start being clear about the best prices not trying to tie me in knots with ‘offers’ that are more expensive than slightly differently packaged products, fixing prices and all the other methods they use to attempt a con then I’ll be happier.

By the way.... I’m the one who gets a bit annoyed when I have to ask for a bag (shop and scan) and be told “can you scan that” like I’m a bag thief and I’m going to avoid the 5/10p.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"It's not yours until you've paid for it."

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I don’t believe I’m reading this twaddle! I shop in supermarkets.... some of them do hot sandwiches etc and if I’m passing and hungry I’ll take one and eat it as I shop, if my little one was hungry, thirsty, etc, I would happily open something for her .... if I fancied at the time any of the goods I have in my trolley I would, without a worry tuck in. I pay for everything I or my child consume.... I am not a thief and I don’t need to rationalise my behaviour with diabetes, funny turn, about to drop, my child is a child and doesn’t need to have adhd or anything to be hungry or thirsty. Never thought that someone would look at either of us as being thieves ..... I have never considered the world ending, my impending heart attack, my method of payment spontaneously combusting and if any of those happens i’ll Do my best to reimburse the shop.

By the way.... I’m the one who gets a bit annoyed when I have to ask for a bag (shop and scan) and be told “can you scan that” like I’m a bag thief and I’m going to avoid the 5/10p. "

You admit to taking things from the shelves if you fancy it? Great role model.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If we'd done this as kids my mum would have killed us!

My mum would too, but having experienced what we have with my daughter, we’re more tolerant about a lot of things now.

Tbh, the choking hazard was of greater concern than the fact the little monkey grabbed a chocolate and ate it, because she rammed it into her mouth.

I do now wonder how many public exhibits of "bad behaviour" and harsh discipline I witnessed in the supermarket growing up are now avoided because disability is better understood.

Well given autism onky affects 1.1% of the population but misbehaving as kids affects about 100% of the population probbaly not many

Whatever the percentage, it’s good that people are more aware of the hidden disabilities.

Although, in my own experience some adults (not just kids who are ignorant) can be judgemental arses. The amount of times I’ve been left upset at the cruelty of others is beyond belief xx"

No thats the estimates cases the confirmed cases are a fraction of a percent. I threw it to the high side given its still tiny anywhich way

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

They do, if you look below the prices of any item or any offer item theres a "price per" tag eg 100g, liter etc. So you can compare.

Because most offers are done by the product supplier not the supermarket

Tesco isnt doing a buy one get one free, nestlè is

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I went to the shop with my 3 yr old today the little shit swiped a big bag of maltesers and a toothbrush

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

They do, if you look below the prices of any item or any offer item theres a "price per" tag eg 100g, liter etc. So you can compare.

Because most offers are done by the product supplier not the supermarket

Tesco isnt doing a buy one get one free, nestlè is"

The sneaky ones don't do like for like comparisons though. I've seen the same items where one was price per 100g and another per item, making comparison difficult.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You admit to taking things from the shelves if you fancy it? Great role model.

This is kinda my way of thinking, with the whole role model thing. Kids are growing up with a hugely inflated sense of entitlement in lots of different areas, when you look at things as a big picture, there are lots of what people may consider minor things that influence it.

Going on the extreme here, but where does it stop? At what point does taking stuff that isn't yours wrong?

"She was asleep at the time judge, but she was lying naked, all tempting on the bed for the taking, and there I was all horny, I had good intentions coz I would have asked if she was awake"

Now I know full well those are miles apart, what I'm saying is the kids are being taught it's ok to take what you want, as long as you sort it out after you've filled your boots.

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By *ommenhimCouple over a year ago

wigan

By the way.... I’m the one who gets a bit annoyed when I have to ask for a bag (shop and scan) and be told “can you scan that” like I’m a bag thief and I’m going to avoid the 5/10p.

You admit to taking things from the shelves if you fancy it? Great role model.

Yes I admit to taking things from the shelves if I fancy it!! Taking things from shelves is pretty much what supermarkets are about!? The role model I portray to my child is that I do not steal I pay for the things I put in my trolley or in my, or my child’s mouth!

I’m happy for you to reply with some rationale as to how you see me as anything but a great role model?

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By *ommenhimCouple over a year ago

wigan

You admit to taking things from the shelves if you fancy it? Great role model.

Going on the extreme here, but where does it stop? At what point does taking stuff that isn't yours wrong?

"She was asleep at the time judge, but she was lying naked, all tempting on the bed for the taking, and there I was all horny, I had good intentions coz I would have asked if she was awake"

Now I know full well those are miles apart, what I'm saying is the kids are being taught it's ok to take what you want, as long as you sort it out after you've filled your boots.

P "

WTF?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You admit to taking things from the shelves if you fancy it? Great role model.

Going on the extreme here, but where does it stop? At what point does taking stuff that isn't yours wrong?

"She was asleep at the time judge, but she was lying naked, all tempting on the bed for the taking, and there I was all horny, I had good intentions coz I would have asked if she was awake"

Now I know full well those are miles apart, what I'm saying is the kids are being taught it's ok to take what you want, as long as you sort it out after you've filled your boots.

Are you being serious??

P "

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

The thing is not yours until you've paid for it. The fact that you can't do the maths to work out offers is utterly irrelevant. Does your phone not have a calculator?

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By *ommenhimCouple over a year ago

wigan

They do, if you look below the prices of any item or any offer item theres a "price per" tag eg 100g, liter etc. So you can compare.

Because most offers are done by the product supplier not the supermarket

Tesco isnt doing a buy one get one free, nestlè is"

Those prices are original as in buy a single one ... not the price per 100gm, kg litre, also if you’re observant you may find that ‘offers’ are put in your way (aisle end) when they represent poorer value than in the ‘usual’ space. I’m aware I can compare .... I just prefer not to need a calculator nor visit three different places to do it.... I fully understand how supermarkets use these tools to manipulate its customers!

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

They do, if you look below the prices of any item or any offer item theres a "price per" tag eg 100g, liter etc. So you can compare.

Because most offers are done by the product supplier not the supermarket

Tesco isnt doing a buy one get one free, nestlè is

And this excuses theft, why?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

You admit to taking things from the shelves if you fancy it? Great role model.

Going on the extreme here, but where does it stop? At what point does taking stuff that isn't yours wrong?

"She was asleep at the time judge, but she was lying naked, all tempting on the bed for the taking, and there I was all horny, I had good intentions coz I would have asked if she was awake"

Now I know full well those are miles apart, what I'm saying is the kids are being taught it's ok to take what you want, as long as you sort it out after you've filled your boots.

P "

Exactly my point.

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By *ommenhimCouple over a year ago

wigan

They do, if you look below the prices of any item or any offer item theres a "price per" tag eg 100g, liter etc. So you can compare.

Because most offers are done by the product supplier not the supermarket

Tesco isnt doing a buy one get one free, nestlè is

And this excuses theft, why? "

Where is the theft?

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By *ommenhimCouple over a year ago

wigan

"The thing is not yours until you've paid for it. The fact that you can't do the maths to work out offers is utterly irrelevant. Does your phone not have a calculator? "

Yes I don’t want to have to use it

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By *ommenhimCouple over a year ago

wigan

They do, if you look below the prices of any item or any offer item theres a "price per" tag eg 100g, liter etc. So you can compare.

Because most offers are done by the product supplier not the supermarket

Tesco isnt doing a buy one get one free, nestlè is

The sneaky ones don't do like for like comparisons though. I've seen the same items where one was price per 100g and another per item, making comparison difficult."

Ok why would the fine people heading up these businesses make comparison difficult ?

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

They do, if you look below the prices of any item or any offer item theres a "price per" tag eg 100g, liter etc. So you can compare.

Because most offers are done by the product supplier not the supermarket

Tesco isnt doing a buy one get one free, nestlè is

And this excuses theft, why?

Where is the theft? "

Theft, in English law, is dishonest appropriation of property belonging to another with intention to permanently deprive. The item does not become yours until you've paid (invitation to treat, offer acceptance), per contract law. Digesting an item destroys it in a way that cannot be reclaimed by the owner (in a similar way that joyriding resulting in destruction of the vehicle would be held to be theft, because recklessness as to deprivation still counts). While I'm not completely up to speed with the more recent case law on dishonesty, I believe it narrows the previous test.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

... And although prosecution is unlikely, it may still meet the test, and even if it doesn't, it's tacky and gross.

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By *stellaWoman over a year ago

London

I wish people were more concerned about more important things.

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By *r MoriartyMan over a year ago

The Land that time forgot (Norfolk)

They do, if you look below the prices of any item or any offer item theres a "price per" tag eg 100g, liter etc. So you can compare.

Because most offers are done by the product supplier not the supermarket

Tesco isnt doing a buy one get one free, nestlè is

And this excuses theft, why?

Where is the theft?

Owned

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I wish people were more concerned about more important things. "

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By *ettyboop61Woman over a year ago

St Neots

I saw a man ear a sandwich in Asda the other day and then I saw him just put the empty packet in a fridge walked around like he owned the place I hate that!!!

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By *stellaWoman over a year ago

London

They do, if you look below the prices of any item or any offer item theres a "price per" tag eg 100g, liter etc. So you can compare.

Because most offers are done by the product supplier not the supermarket

Tesco isnt doing a buy one get one free, nestlè is

And this excuses theft, why?

Where is the theft?

Owned

And yet the intent bit is what is the issue - for someone eating within the shop to pay by scanning the wrapper at the till this is acceptable in the law, actually.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I wish people were more concerned about more important things. "

Teaching kids *not* to shoplift is important.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

They do, if you look below the prices of any item or any offer item theres a "price per" tag eg 100g, liter etc. So you can compare.

Because most offers are done by the product supplier not the supermarket

Tesco isnt doing a buy one get one free, nestlè is

And this excuses theft, why?

Where is the theft?

Owned

And yet the intent bit is what is the issue - for someone eating within the shop to pay by scanning the wrapper at the till this is acceptable in the law, actually. "

Recklessness as to deprivation still counts, as noted, and the other poster said he didn't much care if it was.

Would the CPS take it on? No. But it's not exactly fine and dandy behaviour.

(as noted, in real life I silently judge for a moment at most. In a discussion I'll discuss)

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By *stellaWoman over a year ago

London

"I wish people were more concerned about more important things.

Teaching kids *not* to shoplift is important. "

I don’t believe that this is doing that or not doing that - and if you think it is, I despair even more. And there are still more important things, IMO.

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By *r MoriartyMan over a year ago

The Land that time forgot (Norfolk)

They do, if you look below the prices of any item or any offer item theres a "price per" tag eg 100g, liter etc. So you can compare.

Because most offers are done by the product supplier not the supermarket

Tesco isnt doing a buy one get one free, nestlè is

And this excuses theft, why?

Where is the theft?

Owned

And yet the intent bit is what is the issue - for someone eating within the shop to pay by scanning the wrapper at the till this is acceptable in the law, actually. "

I'm not a lawyer but they've just destroyed someone else's property with no prospect of being able to return it if requested, at least not in a form likely to be acceptable to the owner. Maybe it doesn't constitute theft I don't know but it's still a bellend thing to do imo.

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By *stellaWoman over a year ago

London

They do, if you look below the prices of any item or any offer item theres a "price per" tag eg 100g, liter etc. So you can compare.

Because most offers are done by the product supplier not the supermarket

Tesco isnt doing a buy one get one free, nestlè is

And this excuses theft, why?

Where is the theft?

Owned

And yet the intent bit is what is the issue - for someone eating within the shop to pay by scanning the wrapper at the till this is acceptable in the law, actually.

Recklessness as to deprivation still counts, as noted, and the other poster said he didn't much care if it was.

Would the CPS take it on? No. But it's not exactly fine and dandy behaviour.

(as noted, in real life I silently judge for a moment at most. In a discussion I'll discuss) "

It’s really low down on my priority level - that’s my judgement.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think it's ok to give kids something to munch on, as long as you pay for it at the end. I've always done that.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"I wish people were more concerned about more important things.

Teaching kids *not* to shoplift is important. "

Delayed gratification? That it's not necessary or polite to stuff your face at every available opportunity? The stuff in shops isn't a free for all until a given point?

Whether it's shoplifting or not (and in some cases it is), there are plenty of good lessons for kids to learn here.

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By *r MoriartyMan over a year ago

The Land that time forgot (Norfolk)

"I wish people were more concerned about more important things.

Teaching kids *not* to shoplift is important.

I don’t believe that this is doing that or not doing that - and if you think it is, I despair even more. And there are still more important things, IMO."

I agree, but I think it is showing a lack of respect for others property which I don't agree with.

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By *stellaWoman over a year ago

London

They do, if you look below the prices of any item or any offer item theres a "price per" tag eg 100g, liter etc. So you can compare.

Because most offers are done by the product supplier not the supermarket

Tesco isnt doing a buy one get one free, nestlè is

And this excuses theft, why?

Where is the theft?

Owned

And yet the intent bit is what is the issue - for someone eating within the shop to pay by scanning the wrapper at the till this is acceptable in the law, actually.

Can I clarify if we’re both talking about someone paying for it at the till or not? I am. If they’re not ever paying for it, it’s dumbarse - but in the grand scheme of things to be het up about it’s really not on my radar and to me (just my opinion) it is fascinating to see who gets bothered about it.

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By *stellaWoman over a year ago

London

"I think it's ok to give kids something to munch on, as long as you pay for it at the end. I've always done that."

I concur

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By *stellaWoman over a year ago

London

I hate it when people try clothes on before they buy them. Rant.

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By *ommenhimCouple over a year ago

wigan

They do, if you look below the prices of any item or any offer item theres a "price per" tag eg 100g, liter etc. So you can compare.

Because most offers are done by the product supplier not the supermarket

Tesco isnt doing a buy one get one free, nestlè is

And this excuses theft, why?

Where is the theft?

Thanks for providing the answer to my reply “ dishonest appropriation of property with intention to permanently deprive”.... I am not dishonest in appropriating I do it openly, without deceit, with knowledge of the security systems that may capture my actions, I then complete my part of the contract in recompense get the vendor via payment. I obtain goods they obtain recompense.

You ever eat in a restaurant that doesn’t require payment up front, fill up with fuel without paying first? In both cases there is an intent once goods or services are secured that payment would follow. It is this intent that is important in law.

I have seen no rules posted that would make me believe that the vendor would have issue with this.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Slow Saturday, isn't it.

here"

Can I have Smokey bacon don't like cheese and onion lol

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By *r MoriartyMan over a year ago

The Land that time forgot (Norfolk)

They do, if you look below the prices of any item or any offer item theres a "price per" tag eg 100g, liter etc. So you can compare.

Because most offers are done by the product supplier not the supermarket

Tesco isnt doing a buy one get one free, nestlè is

And this excuses theft, why?

Where is the theft?

Owned

And yet the intent bit is what is the issue - for someone eating within the shop to pay by scanning the wrapper at the till this is acceptable in the law, actually.

It's really not something I lose sleep over but yeah I don't agree with it even if paying at the end.

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By *ommenhimCouple over a year ago

wigan

"I hate it when people try clothes on before they buy them. Rant. "

that was another example but I stopped myself! As a child I remember going for new shoes.... always wanted to keep them on ... always.... and you know what .... no one had any issue!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Given a choice between a beastly screaming child in a trolley, that should obviously know better than to howl for food from a parent who should be teaching discipline at every oppurtunity, and the stares from other disgruntled tutting customers at said beastly child howling and misbehaving, then I choose stuffing a bread roll in its grubby tear stained hand and getting on with the shop as anonymously as possible.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

They do, if you look below the prices of any item or any offer item theres a "price per" tag eg 100g, liter etc. So you can compare.

Because most offers are done by the product supplier not the supermarket

Tesco isnt doing a buy one get one free, nestlè is

And this excuses theft, why?

Where is the theft?

I have seen no rules posted that would make me believe that the vendor would have issue with this."

You may wish to consult the Theft Acts of 1968 and 1978, which cover these scenarios, and be aware that legal terminology is not the same as regular English. I believe the more recent case law (a gambling case) narrows dishonesty to what is generally expected.

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By *stellaWoman over a year ago

London

They do, if you look below the prices of any item or any offer item theres a "price per" tag eg 100g, liter etc. So you can compare.

Because most offers are done by the product supplier not the supermarket

Tesco isnt doing a buy one get one free, nestlè is

And this excuses theft, why?

Where is the theft?

Owned

And yet the intent bit is what is the issue - for someone eating within the shop to pay by scanning the wrapper at the till this is acceptable in the law, actually.

It's really not something I lose sleep over but yeah I don't agree with it even if paying at the end."

Interesting. I don’t do it either, but I entirely disagree with it being an issue of paid for at the end. And in no shop have I seen signs to say the shop “owner of the property before transaction” has issue with it - is this thread just full of people taking offence on other people’s behalf?! Good lord.

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By *stellaWoman over a year ago

London

They do, if you look below the prices of any item or any offer item theres a "price per" tag eg 100g, liter etc. So you can compare.

Because most offers are done by the product supplier not the supermarket

Tesco isnt doing a buy one get one free, nestlè is

And this excuses theft, why?

Where is the theft?

I have seen no rules posted that would make me believe that the vendor would have issue with this.

And as we can see generally expected is not clear cut. Application of the law is not theoretical.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I wish people were more concerned about more important things.

Teaching kids *not* to shoplift is important.

Delayed gratification? That it's not necessary or polite to stuff your face at every available opportunity? The stuff in shops isn't a free for all until a given point?

Whether it's shoplifting or not (and in some cases it is), there are plenty of good lessons for kids to learn here. "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

They do, if you look below the prices of any item or any offer item theres a "price per" tag eg 100g, liter etc. So you can compare.

Because most offers are done by the product supplier not the supermarket

Tesco isnt doing a buy one get one free, nestlè is

And this excuses theft, why?

Where is the theft?

Owned

And yet the intent bit is what is the issue - for someone eating within the shop to pay by scanning the wrapper at the till this is acceptable in the law, actually.

It's really not something I lose sleep over but yeah I don't agree with it even if paying at the end.

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I can't believe people are looking into the law regarding this. It's the weekend. Enjoy yourselves

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By *ommenhimCouple over a year ago

wigan

They do, if you look below the prices of any item or any offer item theres a "price per" tag eg 100g, liter etc. So you can compare.

Because most offers are done by the product supplier not the supermarket

Tesco isnt doing a buy one get one free, nestlè is

And this excuses theft, why?

Where is the theft?

Owned

Took some reading back to find that! Yes owned. Great story bro!

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

This is off the top of my head

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By *stellaWoman over a year ago

London

They do, if you look below the prices of any item or any offer item theres a "price per" tag eg 100g, liter etc. So you can compare.

Because most offers are done by the product supplier not the supermarket

Tesco isnt doing a buy one get one free, nestlè is

And this excuses theft, why?

Where is the theft?

Owned

And yet the intent bit is what is the issue - for someone eating within the shop to pay by scanning the wrapper at the till this is acceptable in the law, actually.

It's really not something I lose sleep over but yeah I don't agree with it even if paying at the end.

I can't believe people are looking into the law regarding this. It's the weekend. Enjoy yourselves

Word

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By *stellaWoman over a year ago

London

"This is off the top of my head

And yet...

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

They do, if you look below the prices of any item or any offer item theres a "price per" tag eg 100g, liter etc. So you can compare.

Because most offers are done by the product supplier not the supermarket

Tesco isnt doing a buy one get one free, nestlè is

And this excuses theft, why?

Where is the theft?

I have seen no rules posted that would make me believe that the vendor would have issue with this.

And as we can see generally expected is not clear cut. Application of the law is not theoretical."

Indeed not, as the gambler in that case found out when his (in gambling circles) technique was found to be dishonest by the Supreme Court. I suspect the development doesn't help the argument here.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Oh FFS.

I've not read all the comments but I can see the ridiculous by skimming.

I've given the kids food and scanned the packaging, I've shared it with them too. So long as your paying for it then it's not stealing.

Do people really have nothing better to think about?!

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By *stellaWoman over a year ago

London

They do, if you look below the prices of any item or any offer item theres a "price per" tag eg 100g, liter etc. So you can compare.

Because most offers are done by the product supplier not the supermarket

Tesco isnt doing a buy one get one free, nestlè is

And this excuses theft, why?

Where is the theft?

I have seen no rules posted that would make me believe that the vendor would have issue with this.

And as we can see generally expected is not clear cut. Application of the law is not theoretical.

Indeed not, as the gambler in that case found out when his (in gambling circles) technique was found to be dishonest by the Supreme Court. I suspect the development doesn't help the argument here. "

The issue I’m frustrated about is that you’re missing the point that someone who is eating a Mars Bar whilst within the supermarket to pay for it at the till is not “with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it”. It is not theft.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I'm not missing the point. While it's not going to be prosecuted, in that moment the item does not belong to the person and can never be returned to the store.

Honestly, he asked where the theft was, I defined theft. Mostly because he seemed to think that what he was doing was beyond reproach.

I mostly just think it's tacky, barring emergency or disability.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

No doubt the same parents who tell their kids to take toys off other kids because they want them.

It's not difficult to feed kids before you take them shopping.

Giving them things to shut them up teaches them they can get their own way by making a fuss.

And then people complain about the entitled people on here. Just take it if you want it hey.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's not something that I would ever do or have done. If I bought my kids something, they knew they had to wait until they were home.

As for people who do it, so what, how is that harming or impacting on anyone else.

Seems parents can't win! Kids screaming their tits off annoys others, parents feeding kids to keep them occupied annoys others! Blimey, lets focus on ourselves rather than what anyone was else I'd doing

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By *stellaWoman over a year ago

London

"I'm not missing the point. While it's not going to be prosecuted, in that moment the item does not belong to the person and can never be returned to the store.

Honestly, he asked where the theft was, I defined theft. Mostly because he seemed to think that what he was doing was beyond reproach.

I mostly just think it's tacky, barring emergency or disability. "

It is commonly and legally accepted that within a shop it would not be theft until the person leaves the store without having paid. That’s when intent can be demonstrated. It is not theft. You’ve defined theft in terms of a legal definition but not applied it as generally understood to the context being discussed - which is perhaps more important on this occasion.

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By *imiUKMan over a year ago

Hereford

Moral panic!

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"It's not something that I would ever do or have done. If I bought my kids something, they knew they had to wait until they were home.

As for people who do it, so what, how is that harming or impacting on anyone else.

The only time I've ever intervened with a child or done anything to indicate displeasure is when I'm being manhandled or when a child is in danger. I don't engage kids (or adults with them) I don't know as a general rule.

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By *stellaWoman over a year ago

London

"It's not something that I would ever do or have done. If I bought my kids something, they knew they had to wait until they were home.

As for people who do it, so what, how is that harming or impacting on anyone else.

Absolutely agree, it’s very Hyacinth Bucket brigade.

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By *stellaWoman over a year ago

London

I’m totally gonna eat a Mars Bar before I pay for it on principle next time I’m in the supermarket.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"I'm not missing the point. While it's not going to be prosecuted, in that moment the item does not belong to the person and can never be returned to the store.

Honestly, he asked where the theft was, I defined theft. Mostly because he seemed to think that what he was doing was beyond reproach.

I mostly just think it's tacky, barring emergency or disability.

Perhaps. But above I seem to recall he didn't care if something happened which prevented him paying. And I did say it wouldn't be prosecuted, more than once.

Mostly I was reacting to, it couldn't possibly be theft. As though his outrage at shifty supermarket practices meant I was wrong. Offers and inconsistent price per unit does not have anything to do with eating while shopping. It just doesn't.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's not something that I would ever do or have done. If I bought my kids something, they knew they had to wait until they were home.

As for people who do it, so what, how is that harming or impacting on anyone else.

Absolutely agree, it’s very Hyacinth Bucket brigade.

It's Bookay dear! Lady of the house

Oh yes, the air of propierty

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By *ea monkeyMan over a year ago

Manchester (he/him)

Much as I hate to weigh in on this thread, I can't help but think that people are missing the essential point of this;

Supermarkets don't class it as theft, if they did then people would be getting prosecuted after putting through their empty wrappers.

As the supermarkets don't consider it as being so, then all of this argument is just a moot point. It simply comes down to what people consider to be 'the done thing'.

As per always; some do, some don't and a hefty dose of judgement flying around...

As others have said; there are far far more important things to be worrying about than this.

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By *stellaWoman over a year ago

London

"I'm not missing the point. While it's not going to be prosecuted, in that moment the item does not belong to the person and can never be returned to the store.

Honestly, he asked where the theft was, I defined theft. Mostly because he seemed to think that what he was doing was beyond reproach.

I mostly just think it's tacky, barring emergency or disability.

Perhaps. But above I seem to recall he didn't care if something happened which prevented him paying. And I did say it wouldn't be prosecuted, more than once.

Except if you actually read again, the poster you’re referring to never once said they wouldn’t pay.

The next discussion on the pricing of offers was a separate comment made by them and not related to the first.

They said on a couple of occasions they would always pay at the till.

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By *stellaWoman over a year ago

London

"Much as I hate to weigh in on this thread, I can't help but think that people are missing the essential point of this;

Supermarkets don't class it as theft, if they did then people would be getting prosecuted after putting through their empty wrappers.

As the supermarkets don't consider it as being so, then all of this argument is just a moot point. It simply comes down to what people consider to be 'the done thing'.

As per always; some do, some don't and a hefty dose of judgement flying around...

As others have said; there are far far more important things to be worrying about than this. "

I made that point. It’s such an entitled judgey ooooh I’m offended load of codswollop.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

How's it gonna work when they go all self-service? Can you imagine the queues of people listening to the "please place item in the bagging area" nagging at ya on repeat whilst people try in vain to put enough pressure on the scales to get the weight the same as the devoured grub....then too much pressure "unexpected item in the bagging area" back off, back off!

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By *irginieWoman over a year ago

Near Marlborough

"Parents giving their kids food to eat as they go round the supermarket, before they've paid for it.

How do they get away with it? They are teaching their kids it's ok to shoplift. Take whatever you want without paying.

It's called grazing and acknowledged as a theft unless the parents keep the packaging and pay at the end of their shop. Not likely most will though."

I do. When my daughter was little I’d let her have something and then I made her hand in the wrapper to the cashier to pay.

V x

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By *ea monkeyMan over a year ago

Manchester (he/him)

"How's it gonna work when they go all self-service? Can you imagine the queues of people listening to the "please place item in the bagging area" nagging at ya on repeat whilst people try in vain to put enough pressure on the scales to get the weight the same as the devoured grub....then too much pressure "unexpected item in the bagging area" back off, back off! "

Weigh people on the way in and out again, job done.

Much the same as when they go strawberry picking...

Oh shit, is that a new can of worms?!

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By *stellaWoman over a year ago

London

That’s better then the queues of butthurt judgement being passed.

I jest, it is a very serious concern, I’m going to march on westminster and protest about this.

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By *ommenhimCouple over a year ago

wigan

"I'm not missing the point. While it's not going to be prosecuted, in that moment the item does not belong to the person and can never be returned to the store.

Honestly, he asked where the theft was, I defined theft. Mostly because he seemed to think that what he was doing was beyond reproach.

I mostly just think it's tacky, barring emergency or disability. "

Your definition of theft was at odds with your viewpoint!

While it’s not Going to be prosecuted .... because there’s no offence to prosecute!

I honestly feel my behaviour is beyond reproach, why wouldn’t it be? I purchase a product at the advertised price... why would anyone seek to prosecute?

Before I consult the legislation and case law you mentioned could you briefly summarise? Bear in mind that case law is driven by the case in question and while it is used to formulate judgements it is a judgement in itself and therefore the interpretation of the law is not static. When you cite the case you mention I’ll have a look but rarely would a precedent be set where there was no injured party.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"I'm not missing the point. While it's not going to be prosecuted, in that moment the item does not belong to the person and can never be returned to the store.

Honestly, he asked where the theft was, I defined theft. Mostly because he seemed to think that what he was doing was beyond reproach.

I mostly just think it's tacky, barring emergency or disability.

Perhaps. But above I seem to recall he didn't care if something happened which prevented him paying. And I did say it wouldn't be prosecuted, more than once.

Except if you actually read again, the poster you’re referring to never once said they wouldn’t pay.

The next discussion on the pricing of offers was a separate comment made by them and not related to the first.

They said on a couple of occasions they would always pay at the till. "

I possibly got the wrong end of the stick, and I apologise if that's the case. But I also repeatedly said it'd never be prosecuted, from the off (I missed it in my first comment but immediately corrected that). And that I feel feelings but don't say anything in person (I'm just responding to a discussion here). I reserve that for things like "get off me", "don't bite my coat, love, you don't know where it's been", "please stop throwing crisps at me" (I live near a secondary school

) or occasionally (toddlers) "let's get you away from the traffic and find the adult looking after you".

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"I'm not missing the point. While it's not going to be prosecuted, in that moment the item does not belong to the person and can never be returned to the store.

Honestly, he asked where the theft was, I defined theft. Mostly because he seemed to think that what he was doing was beyond reproach.

I mostly just think it's tacky, barring emergency or disability.

Your definition of theft was at odds with your viewpoint!

While it’s not Going to be prosecuted .... because there’s no offence to prosecute!

I honestly feel my behaviour is beyond reproach, why wouldn’t it be? I purchase a product at the advertised price... why would anyone seek to prosecute?

The case was Iving v Genting Casinos. It's not a short read (either the CoA or SC judgements). It alters the Ghosh test.

But it's much of a muchness.

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By *stellaWoman over a year ago

London

"I'm not missing the point. While it's not going to be prosecuted, in that moment the item does not belong to the person and can never be returned to the store.

Honestly, he asked where the theft was, I defined theft. Mostly because he seemed to think that what he was doing was beyond reproach.

I mostly just think it's tacky, barring emergency or disability.

Perhaps. But above I seem to recall he didn't care if something happened which prevented him paying. And I did say it wouldn't be prosecuted, more than once.

Except if you actually read again, the poster you’re referring to never once said they wouldn’t pay.

The next discussion on the pricing of offers was a separate comment made by them and not related to the first.

They said on a couple of occasions they would always pay at the till.

) or occasionally (toddlers) "let's get you away from the traffic and find the adult looking after you". "

Eh? I have no idea what the second part about feelings is about. I was just correcting the misunderstanding about what the poster had said.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"I'm not missing the point. While it's not going to be prosecuted, in that moment the item does not belong to the person and can never be returned to the store.

Honestly, he asked where the theft was, I defined theft. Mostly because he seemed to think that what he was doing was beyond reproach.

I mostly just think it's tacky, barring emergency or disability.

Your definition of theft was at odds with your viewpoint!

While it’s not Going to be prosecuted .... because there’s no offence to prosecute!

I honestly feel my behaviour is beyond reproach, why wouldn’t it be? I purchase a product at the advertised price... why would anyone seek to prosecute?

The case was Iving v Genting Casinos. It's not a short read (either the CoA or SC judgements). It alters the Ghosh test.

But it's much of a muchness. "
Ivey, rather.