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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

There have have been an increase in the #mettoo campaign run by radical feminists acusing celebrities mostly men, a big case was michael jackson, as a result ruining their life and reputation which then later turns out to be false accusations, just to make a quick buck, how can the court even consider their word when there aint any evidence in most cases?

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Michael Jackson died long before me too started.

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By *orkie321bWoman over a year ago

Nottingham

Is this a question or just a statement?

Sexual harassment, unwanted touching and worse happens all the time, most women are subjected to it at some me point in their life.

I've experienced it, my 73 year old mother has and more worrying is the fact my 17 year old niece has too. Times haven't changed and it's still happening.

If it happens to ordinary women like us, perpetrated by ordinary men then why is it inconceivable to you that men in the public eye could be perpetrators too?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Is this a question or just a statement?

Sexual harassment, unwanted touching and worse happens all the time, most women are subjected to it at some me point in their life.

I've experienced it, my 73 year old mother has and more worrying is the fact my 17 year old niece has too. Times haven't changed and it's still happening.

If it happens to ordinary women like us, perpetrated by ordinary men then why is it inconceivable to you that men in the public eye could be perpetrators too?"

It’s good that more people (because it isn’t just women) are coming out and are able to open up about their experiences. If it lands more creepy fucks in jail, then good.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Michael Jackson died long before me too started. "

It also looks very much like he's guilty.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"There have have been an increase in the #mettoo campaign run by radical feminists acusing celebrities mostly men, a big case was michael jackson, as a result ruining their life and reputation which then later turns out to be false accusations, just to make a quick buck, how can the court even consider their word when there aint any evidence in most cases?"
it's life for infamous people ,theirs money to be had if they slip up or are eccentric and the media takes full advantage, look at cliff Richard a very private man ,a man I thought who always gave off a very positive image but a man whose sex life was in question

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Well one of the big results has been that in the finance sector high level male members have staff have basicsly jist stopped interacting with junior female members.

No meetings outside work, no mentoring, having a 3rd party pressent for all meetings/contact etc.

Apprently it's been quite damaging to womens careers as it's now almost impossible for them to get a leg up because anyone higher wont even speak to them out of fear.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Well one of the big results has been that in the finance sector high level male members have staff have basicsly jist stopped interacting with junior female members.

No meetings outside work, no mentoring, having a 3rd party pressent for all meetings/contact etc.

Apprently it's been quite damaging to womens careers as it's now almost impossible for them to get a leg up because anyone higher wont even speak to them out of fear."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Is this a question or just a statement?

Sexual harassment, unwanted touching and worse happens all the time, most women are subjected to it at some me point in their life.

I've experienced it, my 73 year old mother has and more worrying is the fact my 17 year old niece has too. Times haven't changed and it's still happening.

If it happens to ordinary women like us, perpetrated by ordinary men then why is it inconceivable to you that men in the public eye could be perpetrators too?

It’s good that more people (because it isn’t just women) are coming out and are able to open up about their experiences. If it lands more creepy fucks in jail, then good. "

Well except when the men came out about prominent female memebers of metoo and were roundly attacked, and women gave letters of support for the female abusers etc said that thier careers should be affected just because they sexually abused a man etc.

Was all a bit of an "oh moment" much like how title IX cases against women are getting thrashed by feminists despite them bei ng oerfectly happy for title ix cases against men kicking them out of uni in a no smoke without fire style mock trial.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Shouldn't

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Well one of the big results has been that in the finance sector high level male members have staff have basicsly jist stopped interacting with junior female members.

No meetings outside work, no mentoring, having a 3rd party pressent for all meetings/contact etc.

Apprently it's been quite damaging to womens careers as it's now almost impossible for them to get a leg up because anyone higher wont even speak to them out of fear.

Not sure whst the roll eyes is for its been in pretty much every business paper for the last year or so.

Its like how feminism won a great battle by getting pit girls fired.

It's all a win for the people who arent actually affected but for those whos jobs have been lost or damaged its an issue

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By *orkie321bWoman over a year ago

Nottingham

"Is this a question or just a statement?

Sexual harassment, unwanted touching and worse happens all the time, most women are subjected to it at some me point in their life.

I've experienced it, my 73 year old mother has and more worrying is the fact my 17 year old niece has too. Times haven't changed and it's still happening.

If it happens to ordinary women like us, perpetrated by ordinary men then why is it inconceivable to you that men in the public eye could be perpetrators too?

It’s good that more people (because it isn’t just women) are coming out and are able to open up about their experiences. If it lands more creepy fucks in jail, then good. "

I read an article in my local newspaper yesterday about a young man who was a victim and has waived his right to anonymity to tell his story in the hopes it prevents it happening to anyone else. I won't go into details on here because it is a subject that may get me a forum holiday but I can share a link if people want to read it.

The article brought tears to my eyes. The strength and courage of this young man to speak out is amazing.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

By today's standards all men have do something that could be construed as sexual harassment. Grabbed a friend's ass. Made a comment about an outfit or a hundred other possibilities. The amount of wrongdoing discovered by these movements far outweighs the loss to to those found to be innocent. Yes more needs to be done but would you not rather live in a world where woman (And men) can stand up to their attackers and say no.

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By *eviant KnightMan over a year ago

Norton

Whilst there are exceptions, on the whole the metoo movement is a good thing. Women should be able to feel safe and it should make men consider their actions more carefully. It's a baby step in the right direction towards a better society

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

It's a huge win to be believed rather than blamed. My bigger incidents would also get me a forum holiday, but the sexual activity wasn't what left a mark that's lasted a very long time. It was the idea that it was my fault for being in the world, rather than the men's for harming me.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

if men don't know how to communicate respectfully whilst at work in any capacity. How to seperate work from personal. Learn what is inappropriate behaviour without shitting their pants over how to behave..

Then move over and let me have your job you useless cretins.

I'm not saying what you're saying is incorrect. Just if that is true.. I'm rolling my eyes as well..

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"if men don't know how to communicate respectfully whilst at work in any capacity. How to seperate work from personal. Learn what is inappropriate behaviour without shitting their pants over how to behave..

Then move over and let me have your job you useless cretins.

I'm not saying what you're saying is incorrect. Just if that is true.. I'm rolling my eyes as well..

*standing ovation*

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Whilst there are exceptions, on the whole the metoo movement is a good thing. Women should be able to feel safe and it should make men consider their actions more carefully. It's a baby step in the right direction towards a better society"

It is, and I’m probably going to get slated for this, but do you actually believe none of these women came on to the men and offered it on a plate to further their career and now they’re jumping on the bandwagon and blaming the men and obviously the men haven’t got a leg to stand on. I don’t believe for one minute that didn’t happen in some cases. It’s a difficult one I think.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Generally speaking the rate of false accusations is tiny. I'm willing to concede it might be higher in the case of the rich and famous, but I don't think it's a majority.

I get what you're saying though.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Then move over and let me have your job you useless cretins.

I'm not saying what you're saying is incorrect. Just if that is true.. I'm rolling my eyes as well..

Doesnt matter how you behave though. Lets say its you perfect gentleman nothing untoward.

The woman you met alone or had lunch with claims you acted in appropriately.

You didnt but your career is now over and done.

Why risk it when your career is worth millions?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Then move over and let me have your job you useless cretins.

I'm not saying what you're saying is incorrect. Just if that is true.. I'm rolling my eyes as well..

Doesnt matter how you behave though. Lets say its you perfect gentleman nothing untoward.

The woman you met alone or had lunch with claims you acted in appropriately.

You didnt but your career is now over and done.

Why risk it when your career is worth millions?"

Do you think that happens often?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Then move over and let me have your job you useless cretins.

I'm not saying what you're saying is incorrect. Just if that is true.. I'm rolling my eyes as well..

Doesnt matter how you behave though. Lets say its you perfect gentleman nothing untoward.

The woman you met alone or had lunch with claims you acted in appropriately.

You didnt but your career is now over and done.

Why risk it when your career is worth millions?"

I'd either have the courage to defend myself effectively, or leave an industry, or employer who is prepared to treat me in that way.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Generally speaking the rate of false accusations is tiny. I'm willing to concede it might be higher in the case of the rich and famous, but I don't think it's a majority.

I get what you're saying though. "

Certainly not in the majority of cases but it’s easy for a woman to do and it’s their word against the man’s. I think it’s difficult for men to be honest. Any woman can have a few drinks and do something she regrets and twist things. And it does happen. Again how is it proved? I’d hate to be a man in this day and age.

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By *eviant KnightMan over a year ago

Norton

Generally speaking the rate of false accusations is tiny. I'm willing to concede it might be higher in the case of the rich and famous, but I don't think it's a majority.

I get what you're saying though. "

As I said there are exceptions but they are few and far between, and if it causes men to behave differently and prevent ladies having to go through it, then it's a step in the right direction

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I left a job I loved when I was 17 because I was often alone in the office with the boss where he would make remarks about my clothing, or stand very close to me while I was sitting at my desk; which made me feel uncomfortable.

My clothes at the time were long skirts, boots, high necked blouses and cardigans.

He had a client who would pop in now and then and one time, when I was alone in the office again he invited me to his for the weekend while his wife was abroad visiting relatives.

I couldn't get out of that job quick enough.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Then move over and let me have your job you useless cretins.

I'm not saying what you're saying is incorrect. Just if that is true.. I'm rolling my eyes as well..

Doesnt matter how you behave though. Lets say its you perfect gentleman nothing untoward.

The woman you met alone or had lunch with claims you acted in appropriately.

You didnt but your career is now over and done.

Why risk it when your career is worth millions?

Do you think that happens often?"

Doesnt matter does it? Its the perception of risk for the people involved. They perceive a risk they have altered thier behaviour accordingly.

Take a random violent crime, a woman is abour half as likley to be a victim as a man.

How many women avoid walking alone at might vs men?

The % chance for either is incredibly low but the lower risk group actuslly avoids it more because of perception of risk.

There was a good youtube video ill try to find was Australian based on pure convictions in Australia last year per every 100 r*pe cases reported 2 where found guilty of r*pe but 4 where found guilty if a false accusation.

So do you think false accusations happen twice as often as actual assaults?

Or does your perception differ from the record

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Generally speaking the rate of false accusations is tiny. I'm willing to concede it might be higher in the case of the rich and famous, but I don't think it's a majority.

I get what you're saying though.

But while women and younger have been expected to shrug this stuff off, keep it quiet, blame themselves, for generations... I don't think men are too hardly done by here.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Generally speaking the rate of false accusations is tiny. I'm willing to concede it might be higher in the case of the rich and famous, but I don't think it's a majority.

I get what you're saying though.

As I said there are exceptions but they are few and far between, and if it causes men to behave differently and prevent ladies having to go through it, then it's a step in the right direction "

I agree but like I said, as with most things, there are exceptions. And that is also ruining someone’s life whether male or female.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Generally speaking the rate of false accusations is tiny. I'm willing to concede it might be higher in the case of the rich and famous, but I don't think it's a majority.

I get what you're saying though.

But while women and younger have been expected to shrug this stuff off, keep it quiet, blame themselves, for generations... I don't think men are too hardly done by here. "

No I agree, any type of sexual assault/violation/harassment is unacceptable and if this brings it to the surface then it can only be a good thing but there will definitely be false accusations whether it’s a small amount or not and that’s what makes it difficult.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Then move over and let me have your job you useless cretins.

I'm not saying what you're saying is incorrect. Just if that is true.. I'm rolling my eyes as well..

Doesnt matter how you behave though. Lets say its you perfect gentleman nothing untoward.

The woman you met alone or had lunch with claims you acted in appropriately.

You didnt but your career is now over and done.

Why risk it when your career is worth millions?

Do you think that happens often?

Doesnt matter does it? Its the perception of risk for the people involved. They perceive a risk they have altered thier behaviour accordingly.

Take a random violent crime, a woman is abour half as likley to be a victim as a man.

How many women avoid walking alone at might vs men?

The % chance for either is incredibly low but the lower risk group actuslly avoids it more because of perception of risk.

So do you think false accusations happen twice as often as actual assaults?

Or does your perception differ from the record"

Your numbers are backwards. For 100 attacks 1-2 percent are convicted. So 98% don't get convicted. And 4% (my understanding is the figures point to a lower number) of accusations are false.

Are you happy with a world where 98% of attacks go unpunished because sometimes the system gets it wrong?

It's also interesting to compare rates of trial and conviction in any other type of crime. They tend very much the other way.

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By *orkie321bWoman over a year ago

Nottingham

Then move over and let me have your job you useless cretins.

I'm not saying what you're saying is incorrect. Just if that is true.. I'm rolling my eyes as well..

Doesnt matter how you behave though. Lets say its you perfect gentleman nothing untoward.

The woman you met alone or had lunch with claims you acted in appropriately.

You didnt but your career is now over and done.

Why risk it when your career is worth millions?

Do you think that happens often?

Doesnt matter does it? Its the perception of risk for the people involved. They perceive a risk they have altered thier behaviour accordingly.

Take a random violent crime, a woman is abour half as likley to be a victim as a man.

How many women avoid walking alone at might vs men?

The % chance for either is incredibly low but the lower risk group actuslly avoids it more because of perception of risk.

So do you think false accusations happen twice as often as actual assaults?

Or does your perception differ from the record"

Men are actually more likely to be a victim than to be falsely accused!

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-men-are-more-likely-to-be-raped-than-be-falsely-accused-of-rape

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Then move over and let me have your job you useless cretins.

I'm not saying what you're saying is incorrect. Just if that is true.. I'm rolling my eyes as well..

Doesnt matter how you behave though. Lets say its you perfect gentleman nothing untoward.

The woman you met alone or had lunch with claims you acted in appropriately.

You didnt but your career is now over and done.

Why risk it when your career is worth millions?

Do you think that happens often?

Doesnt matter does it? Its the perception of risk for the people involved. They perceive a risk they have altered thier behaviour accordingly.

Take a random violent crime, a woman is abour half as likley to be a victim as a man.

How many women avoid walking alone at might vs men?

The % chance for either is incredibly low but the lower risk group actuslly avoids it more because of perception of risk.

So do you think false accusations happen twice as often as actual assaults?

Or does your perception differ from the record

Men are actually more likely to be a victim than to be falsely accused!

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-men-are-more-likely-to-be-r*ped-than-be-falsely-accused-of-rape"

Well yeah obviously, when you include prison populations men are more likley to be r*ped than women yet they're always excluded from stats for some reason.

But of course uk stats for r*pe are completley skewed because a woman cant r*pe a man she csn only sexually assault him as by law it requires a penis

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By *ickygirl41Woman over a year ago

Glasgow

1) Show evidence of it being "run by radical feminists" Names?

2) Exactly what kind of "radical feminists?" (There are many subsets)

3) Are they all accusing celebrities? (I'm certain there were some non celebs accused too...)

4)If you assert that most of the accused have been accused falsely can you back that up with figures? (If not I'm going to assume hyperbole)

5) Which ones "made a quick buck"?

(Genuinely who is making money out of this?)

6) Courts will usually only bring a case if there IS substantive evidence. In the UK this evidence is shown to the Procurator Fiscal who decides if a case goes forward to court. The USA court system differs in many ways but decisions on whether or not to go to trial is also based on ACTUAL evidence presented.

What is your REAL beef here OP?

Women getting too radfem and uppity.

Maybe we just want to be able to walk around in the world not being ra**d or assaulted. Everyone deserves that kind of world.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Then move over and let me have your job you useless cretins.

I'm not saying what you're saying is incorrect. Just if that is true.. I'm rolling my eyes as well..

Doesnt matter how you behave though. Lets say its you perfect gentleman nothing untoward.

The woman you met alone or had lunch with claims you acted in appropriately.

You didnt but your career is now over and done.

Why risk it when your career is worth millions?

Do you think that happens often?

Doesnt matter does it? Its the perception of risk for the people involved. They perceive a risk they have altered thier behaviour accordingly.

Take a random violent crime, a woman is abour half as likley to be a victim as a man.

How many women avoid walking alone at might vs men?

The % chance for either is incredibly low but the lower risk group actuslly avoids it more because of perception of risk.

So do you think false accusations happen twice as often as actual assaults?

Or does your perception differ from the record

Your numbers are backwards. For 100 attacks 1-2 percent are convicted. So 98% don't get convicted. And 4% (my understanding is the figures point to a lower number) of accusations are false.

Are you happy with a world where 98% of attacks go unpunished because sometimes the system gets it wrong?

It's also interesting to compare rates of trial and conviction in any other type of crime. They tend very much the other way. "

My numbers arwnt backwards yojr agreeing with me 2% are found to be r*pe 4% are found to be false.

So in convictions false reports are twice as common as acrual r*pes

(4 is twice 2)

I said it was on convictions as thats the only proven grounds

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By *ickygirl41Woman over a year ago

Glasgow

"Well one of the big results has been that in the finance sector high level male members have staff have basicsly jist stopped interacting with junior female members.

No meetings outside work, no mentoring, having a 3rd party pressent for all meetings/contact etc.

Apprently it's been quite damaging to womens careers as it's now almost impossible for them to get a leg up because anyone higher wont even speak to them out of fear."

THAT is the price of creepy c***s at work. NOT the effing price of #meetoo.

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By *ickygirl41Woman over a year ago

Glasgow

"Well one of the big results has been that in the finance sector high level male members have staff have basicsly jist stopped interacting with junior female members.

No meetings outside work, no mentoring, having a 3rd party pressent for all meetings/contact etc.

Apprently it's been quite damaging to womens careers as it's now almost impossible for them to get a leg up because anyone higher wont even speak to them out of fear.

Not sure whst the roll eyes is for its been in pretty much every business paper for the last year or so.

Its like how feminism won a great battle by getting pit girls fired.

It's all a win for the people who arent actually affected but for those whos jobs have been lost or damaged its an issue"

Hahaha, tell that to my pal who had "IT" happen at work from a senior employee and she got "let go" for complaining.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Then move over and let me have your job you useless cretins.

I'm not saying what you're saying is incorrect. Just if that is true.. I'm rolling my eyes as well..

Doesnt matter how you behave though. Lets say its you perfect gentleman nothing untoward.

The woman you met alone or had lunch with claims you acted in appropriately.

You didnt but your career is now over and done.

Why risk it when your career is worth millions?

Do you think that happens often?

Doesnt matter does it? Its the perception of risk for the people involved. They perceive a risk they have altered thier behaviour accordingly.

Take a random violent crime, a woman is abour half as likley to be a victim as a man.

How many women avoid walking alone at might vs men?

The % chance for either is incredibly low but the lower risk group actuslly avoids it more because of perception of risk.

So do you think false accusations happen twice as often as actual assaults?

Or does your perception differ from the record

Your numbers are backwards. For 100 attacks 1-2 percent are convicted. So 98% don't get convicted. And 4% (my understanding is the figures point to a lower number) of accusations are false.

Are you happy with a world where 98% of attacks go unpunished because sometimes the system gets it wrong?

It's also interesting to compare rates of trial and conviction in any other type of crime. They tend very much the other way.

My numbers arwnt backwards yojr agreeing with me 2% are found to be r*pe 4% are found to be false.

So in convictions false reports are twice as common as acrual r*pes

(4 is twice 2)

I said it was on convictions as thats the only proven grounds"

No, I'm not. 100%, 100, of cases are that attack. 2 get convictions, because the conviction rate is an extremely difficult issue. 4 are false.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Well one of the big results has been that in the finance sector high level male members have staff have basicsly jist stopped interacting with junior female members.

No meetings outside work, no mentoring, having a 3rd party pressent for all meetings/contact etc.

Apprently it's been quite damaging to womens careers as it's now almost impossible for them to get a leg up because anyone higher wont even speak to them out of fear.

THAT is the price of creepy c***s at work. NOT the effing price of #meetoo.

Yeah. Put up with harassment or worse or slow your career ladies! What about the poor poor men?

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By *ickygirl41Woman over a year ago

Glasgow

Then move over and let me have your job you useless cretins.

I'm not saying what you're saying is incorrect. Just if that is true.. I'm rolling my eyes as well..

*standing ovation*"

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By *ickygirl41Woman over a year ago

Glasgow

Then move over and let me have your job you useless cretins.

I'm not saying what you're saying is incorrect. Just if that is true.. I'm rolling my eyes as well..

Doesnt matter how you behave though. Lets say its you perfect gentleman nothing untoward.

The woman you met alone or had lunch with claims you acted in appropriately.

You didnt but your career is now over and done.

Why risk it when your career is worth millions?"

Let's say you did because a career worth millions has turned you into an entitled twat. You took what you wanted when you wanted and you're pooping your pants that they'll tell someone the truth soon and then you're screwed.

Second scenario is more realistic.

Yes false accusations happen.

The proportion however is utterly tiny in comparison to actual illegal coercive or forced acts.

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By *orkie321bWoman over a year ago

Nottingham

Then move over and let me have your job you useless cretins.

I'm not saying what you're saying is incorrect. Just if that is true.. I'm rolling my eyes as well..

Doesnt matter how you behave though. Lets say its you perfect gentleman nothing untoward.

The woman you met alone or had lunch with claims you acted in appropriately.

You didnt but your career is now over and done.

Why risk it when your career is worth millions?

Do you think that happens often?

Doesnt matter does it? Its the perception of risk for the people involved. They perceive a risk they have altered thier behaviour accordingly.

Take a random violent crime, a woman is abour half as likley to be a victim as a man.

How many women avoid walking alone at might vs men?

The % chance for either is incredibly low but the lower risk group actuslly avoids it more because of perception of risk.

So do you think false accusations happen twice as often as actual assaults?

Or does your perception differ from the record

Your numbers are backwards. For 100 attacks 1-2 percent are convicted. So 98% don't get convicted. And 4% (my understanding is the figures point to a lower number) of accusations are false.

Are you happy with a world where 98% of attacks go unpunished because sometimes the system gets it wrong?

It's also interesting to compare rates of trial and conviction in any other type of crime. They tend very much the other way.

My numbers arwnt backwards yojr agreeing with me 2% are found to be r*pe 4% are found to be false.

So in convictions false reports are twice as common as acrual r*pes

(4 is twice 2)

I said it was on convictions as thats the only proven grounds

No, I'm not. 100%, 100, of cases are that attack. 2 get convictions, because the conviction rate is an extremely difficult issue. 4 are false. "

Add into this the fact that only one in ten reported accusations actually get to court and the numbers start to look very different. It is also widely acknowledged that less than a third of cases are ever reported to police.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Then move over and let me have your job you useless cretins.

I'm not saying what you're saying is incorrect. Just if that is true.. I'm rolling my eyes as well..

Doesnt matter how you behave though. Lets say its you perfect gentleman nothing untoward.

The woman you met alone or had lunch with claims you acted in appropriately.

You didnt but your career is now over and done.

Why risk it when your career is worth millions?

Do you think that happens often?

Doesnt matter does it? Its the perception of risk for the people involved. They perceive a risk they have altered thier behaviour accordingly.

Take a random violent crime, a woman is abour half as likley to be a victim as a man.

How many women avoid walking alone at might vs men?

The % chance for either is incredibly low but the lower risk group actuslly avoids it more because of perception of risk.

So do you think false accusations happen twice as often as actual assaults?

Or does your perception differ from the record

Your numbers are backwards. For 100 attacks 1-2 percent are convicted. So 98% don't get convicted. And 4% (my understanding is the figures point to a lower number) of accusations are false.

Are you happy with a world where 98% of attacks go unpunished because sometimes the system gets it wrong?

It's also interesting to compare rates of trial and conviction in any other type of crime. They tend very much the other way.

My numbers arwnt backwards yojr agreeing with me 2% are found to be r*pe 4% are found to be false.

So in convictions false reports are twice as common as acrual r*pes

(4 is twice 2)

I said it was on convictions as thats the only proven grounds

No, I'm not. 100%, 100, of cases are that attack. 2 get convictions, because the conviction rate is an extremely difficult issue. 4 are false. "

I'll pull up the latest criminological data on this when I have time, from the most respected sources, if you'd like.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Social media does not help or the ability with these 24/7 news outlets with waiting until someone is guilty before all the pitchforks come out. Take Cliff Richard (just as an example) there was absolutely no evidence of him being guilty yet here was bbc news flying a helicopter over his house branding him all these terrible things, yet no actual evidence.

Take those men that have their lives ruined by women crying r@pe, yet when it comes out there wasn’t actually a r@pe, those men have had their lives ruined by the press and social media, it really fucks me off that the women making these allegations get to go around scott free and allowed to live their lives yet these men, even though they were found not guilty will have that hanging over them regardless if they were found innocent.

Danish x

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Then move over and let me have your job you useless cretins.

I'm not saying what you're saying is incorrect. Just if that is true.. I'm rolling my eyes as well..

Doesnt matter how you behave though. Lets say its you perfect gentleman nothing untoward.

The woman you met alone or had lunch with claims you acted in appropriately.

You didnt but your career is now over and done.

Why risk it when your career is worth millions?

Do you think that happens often?

Doesnt matter does it? Its the perception of risk for the people involved. They perceive a risk they have altered thier behaviour accordingly.

Take a random violent crime, a woman is abour half as likley to be a victim as a man.

How many women avoid walking alone at might vs men?

The % chance for either is incredibly low but the lower risk group actuslly avoids it more because of perception of risk.

So do you think false accusations happen twice as often as actual assaults?

Or does your perception differ from the record

Your numbers are backwards. For 100 attacks 1-2 percent are convicted. So 98% don't get convicted. And 4% (my understanding is the figures point to a lower number) of accusations are false.

Are you happy with a world where 98% of attacks go unpunished because sometimes the system gets it wrong?

It's also interesting to compare rates of trial and conviction in any other type of crime. They tend very much the other way.

My numbers arwnt backwards yojr agreeing with me 2% are found to be r*pe 4% are found to be false.

So in convictions false reports are twice as common as acrual r*pes

(4 is twice 2)

I said it was on convictions as thats the only proven grounds

No, I'm not. 100%, 100, of cases are that attack. 2 get convictions, because the conviction rate is an extremely difficult issue. 4 are false.

Indeed. I'm basing my comments on previous editions of the Crime Survey of England and Wales, which is one of the most trusted sources for this issue.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Of the three adults that live in our house. Two have been sexually assaulted one of which was a 5 year old boy at the time of the assault.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Social media does not help or the ability with these 24/7 news outlets with waiting until someone is guilty before all the pitchforks come out. Take Cliff Richard (just as an example) there was absolutely no evidence of him being guilty yet here was bbc news flying a helicopter over his house branding him all these terrible things, yet no actual evidence.

Danish x"

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By *ickygirl41Woman over a year ago

Glasgow

Then move over and let me have your job you useless cretins.

I'm not saying what you're saying is incorrect. Just if that is true.. I'm rolling my eyes as well..

Doesnt matter how you behave though. Lets say its you perfect gentleman nothing untoward.

The woman you met alone or had lunch with claims you acted in appropriately.

You didnt but your career is now over and done.

Why risk it when your career is worth millions?

Do you think that happens often?

Doesnt matter does it? Its the perception of risk for the people involved. They perceive a risk they have altered thier behaviour accordingly.

Take a random violent crime, a woman is abour half as likley to be a victim as a man.

How many women avoid walking alone at might vs men?

The % chance for either is incredibly low but the lower risk group actuslly avoids it more because of perception of risk.

So do you think false accusations happen twice as often as actual assaults?

Or does your perception differ from the record

Men are actually more likely to be a victim than to be falsely accused!

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-men-are-more-likely-to-be-r*ped-than-be-falsely-accused-of-rape

Well yeah obviously, when you include prison populations men are more likley to be r*ped than women yet they're always excluded from stats for some reason.

But of course uk stats for r*pe are completley skewed because a woman cant r*pe a man she csn only sexually assault him as by law it requires a penis"

Hahaha, wow. I'm assuming your speciality is neither Law or statistics.

Women are capable of r**e either against their own sex or the opposite sex. It's defined as "forced sexual penetration"

No penis required....

The stat about men being more likely to be a victim of r**e than a victim of false accusation was intended to highlight how rare it is it does not mean more men are r***d than women even if you take into account prison populations.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

It may yet be the case that men are victims as much as women, because part of unpicking this issue is changing social mores about reporting, being a victim, etc. Men don't get the support women do when they're attacked.

While in England and Wales the pinnacle sexual offence requires a penis (I don't agree with that fwiw), the next one can carry the same maximum sentence.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I am uneasy about very old cases where there is no evidence, I am even more uneasy when radical feminism is invoked as a cause.

Actual sexual assault needs to be separated from stupid and clumsy seduction attempts. It skews the figures and causes both a hesitancy of the innocent and a smoke screen for the guilty.

An ideal world would be one where sexual request was an open option, but no means no is equally open. Unfortunately I don't think that will ever happen.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I am uneasy about very old cases where there is no evidence, I am even more uneasy when radical feminism is invoked as a cause.

Actual sexual assault needs to be separated from stupid and clumsy seduction attempts. It skews the figures and causes both a hesitancy of the innocent and a smoke screen for the guilty.

An ideal world would be one where sexual request was an open option, but no means no is equally open. Unfortunately I don't think that will ever happen.

Stupid and clumsy seduction attempts? No one should touch me without consent.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Danish x"
I mentioned cliff above but yes I agree men take the brunch of the failures of the legal and media inadequacies

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I know a woman who claims to have been r*ped 7 times and is more than happy to bring it into every conversation, unprompted.

Now for this to happen once is terrible bad luck, but 7 times? I smell a bit of a rat, especially as she admits that on one of these occasions she invited the would be attacker into her bed whilst already naked in that bed. Of course no means no, but come on, have a bit of self-preservation...

Of course if genuine, then once is far too many times.

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By *arlomaleMan over a year ago

darlington

"I know a woman who claims to have been r*ped 7 times and is more than happy to bring it into every conversation, unprompted.

Of course if genuine, then once is far too many times. "
7 times and she’s not reported it ? Hmm

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I know a woman who claims to have been r*ped 7 times and is more than happy to bring it into every conversation, unprompted.

Of course if genuine, then once is far too many times. 7 times and she’s not reported it ? Hmm "

Reported yes, but I dont know how far these reports have gone. I dont know her that well and have never really asked as, quite frankly, I dont believe her.

I wonder whether the police might view this as a "boy who cried wolf" type scenario?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Then move over and let me have your job you useless cretins.

I'm not saying what you're saying is incorrect. Just if that is true.. I'm rolling my eyes as well..

Doesnt matter how you behave though. Lets say its you perfect gentleman nothing untoward.

The woman you met alone or had lunch with claims you acted in appropriately.

You didnt but your career is now over and done.

Why risk it when your career is worth millions?

Do you think that happens often?

Doesnt matter does it? Its the perception of risk for the people involved. They perceive a risk they have altered thier behaviour accordingly.

Take a random violent crime, a woman is abour half as likley to be a victim as a man.

How many women avoid walking alone at might vs men?

The % chance for either is incredibly low but the lower risk group actuslly avoids it more because of perception of risk.

So do you think false accusations happen twice as often as actual assaults?

Or does your perception differ from the record

Men are actually more likely to be a victim than to be falsely accused!

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-men-are-more-likely-to-be-r*ped-than-be-falsely-accused-of-rape

Well yeah obviously, when you include prison populations men are more likley to be r*ped than women yet they're always excluded from stats for some reason.

But of course uk stats for r*pe are completley skewed because a woman cant r*pe a man she csn only sexually assault him as by law it requires a penis

Hahaha, wow. I'm assuming your speciality is neither Law or statistics.

Women are capable of r**e either against their own sex or the opposite sex. It's defined as "forced sexual penetration"

No penis required....

Not in the uk it requires a penis

(1) A person (A) commits an offence if—

(a) he intentionally penetrates the vagina, anus or mouth of another person (B) with his penis,

(b) B does not consent to the penetration, and

(2) Whether a belief is reasonable is to be determined having regard to all the circumstances, including any steps A has taken to ascertain whether B consents.

(3) Sections 75 and 76 apply to an offence under this section.

(4) A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable, on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for life."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Danish xI mentioned cliff above but yes I agree men take the brunch of the failures of the legal and media inadequacies"
brunt

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I see the good intent in this post, but it's gonna take a kicking......

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I am uneasy about very old cases where there is no evidence, I am even more uneasy when radical feminism is invoked as a cause.

Actual sexual assault needs to be separated from stupid and clumsy seduction attempts. It skews the figures and causes both a hesitancy of the innocent and a smoke screen for the guilty.

An ideal world would be one where sexual request was an open option, but no means no is equally open. Unfortunately I don't think that will ever happen.

Stupid and clumsy seduction attempts? No one should touch me without consent. "

Very true, but there is a need for a mechanism to find out if you do consent, along with an absolute respect for your answer, which needs to be clearly stated because some people are stupid.

In current real world it involves pushing at boundaries until you (as an example) give a negative response by moving away or giving off an 'uncomfortable' vibe... which is hard to perceive for some.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"I am uneasy about very old cases where there is no evidence, I am even more uneasy when radical feminism is invoked as a cause.

Actual sexual assault needs to be separated from stupid and clumsy seduction attempts. It skews the figures and causes both a hesitancy of the innocent and a smoke screen for the guilty.

An ideal world would be one where sexual request was an open option, but no means no is equally open. Unfortunately I don't think that will ever happen.

Stupid and clumsy seduction attempts? No one should touch me without consent.

Very true, but there is a need for a mechanism to find out if you do consent, along with an absolute respect for your answer, which needs to be clearly stated because some people are stupid.

In current real world it involves pushing at boundaries until you (as an example) give a negative response by moving away or giving off an 'uncomfortable' vibe... which is hard to perceive for some. "

Raise a hand slowly to touch, or approach slowly, giving them plenty of space to move away before you do so. Or ask.

If there's a potential for an uncomfortable power dynamic for any reason (such as work), leave it alone.

I think that basically covers it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Lesley_Molseed

The guy who did 16 years is my dad's cousin.

I do agree with you.