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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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When I was driving through blackpool a police woman pulled me over and said the reason for stopping me was because I wasn't wearing a seat belt (I was wearing a seat belt when I was stopped) I said but look I'm wearing my belt and she then said.. A policeman saw me driving earlier with it off  She then took my details and said I might hear about or I might not.
Almost 9 months later I recieved a letter asking me to attend court in Blackpool. I didn't fancy driving back, so I rang the number on the letter and explained that I was living over 500miles round trip from Blackpool and I asked if I could attend a court closer to me.. But they said I had to attend the court in blackpool.
Anyways I was taken to court in my absence and now I have to pay £120
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I assume from what you've written that at some point you were driving without it? In which case it's the law and you aren't above it so why is it unfair? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Were you driving with it off at some point such that it was possible an officer saw you?
If yes, banged to rights I'm afraid"
I can't remember if I was driving with it off at anytime of the day. |
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"Were you driving with it off at some point such that it was possible an officer saw you?
If yes, banged to rights I'm afraid
I can't remember if I was driving with it off at anytime of the day. "
So you presumably do drive without a seatbelt sometimes?
I really can't see why you feel hard done by |
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"When I was driving through blackpool a police woman pulled me over and said the reason for stopping me was because I wasn't wearing a seat belt (I was wearing a seat belt when I was stopped) I said but look I'm wearing my belt and she then said.. A policeman saw me driving earlier with it off She then took my details and said I might hear about or I might not.
Almost 9 months later I recieved a letter asking me to attend court in Blackpool. I didn't fancy driving back, so I rang the number on the letter and explained that I was living over 500miles round trip from Blackpool and I asked if I could attend a court closer to me.. But they said I had to attend the court in blackpool.
Anyways I was taken to court in my absence and now I have to pay £120
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Unless you were on camera I'd have disputed it. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I assume from what you've written that at some point you were driving without it? In which case it's the law and you aren't above it so why is it unfair?"
They could of said I murdered someone.. It's their word against mine and because they're police, they would most likely be believed.
When I recieved the letter the police woman wrote that she wasn't sure if I was wearing the seatbelt or not when she waived me over..... Hmm convenient init. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I assume from what you've written that at some point you were driving without it? In which case it's the law and you aren't above it so why is it unfair?
They could of said I murdered someone.. It's their word against mine and because they're police, they would most likely be believed.
When I recieved the letter the police woman wrote that she wasn't sure if I was wearing the seatbelt or not when she waived me over..... Hmm convenient init. "
it's an unfair cop, guv |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"When I was driving through blackpool a police woman pulled me over and said the reason for stopping me was because I wasn't wearing a seat belt (I was wearing a seat belt when I was stopped) I said but look I'm wearing my belt and she then said.. A policeman saw me driving earlier with it off She then took my details and said I might hear about or I might not.
Almost 9 months later I recieved a letter asking me to attend court in Blackpool. I didn't fancy driving back, so I rang the number on the letter and explained that I was living over 500miles round trip from Blackpool and I asked if I could attend a court closer to me.. But they said I had to attend the court in blackpool.
Anyways I was taken to court in my absence and now I have to pay £120
Unless you were on camera I'd have disputed it. "
I wasn't on camera.. But it would of cost me more than the worth of it to travel all the way back to Blackpool. |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
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"When I was driving through blackpool a police woman pulled me over and said the reason for stopping me was because I wasn't wearing a seat belt (I was wearing a seat belt when I was stopped) I said but look I'm wearing my belt and she then said.. A policeman saw me driving earlier with it off She then took my details and said I might hear about or I might not.
Almost 9 months later I recieved a letter asking me to attend court in Blackpool. I didn't fancy driving back, so I rang the number on the letter and explained that I was living over 500miles round trip from Blackpool and I asked if I could attend a court closer to me.. But they said I had to attend the court in blackpool.
Anyways I was taken to court in my absence and now I have to pay £120
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Your wording tells a tale itself, you say you were wearing a seatbelt when you were stopped so presumably you weren't at some point before you were stopped.
Courts don't cater to people's location etc, that's not how it works.
I think there's nothing to dispute, if you had shown up you could have but since you didn't turn up you have nothing to moan about. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I assume from what you've written that at some point you were driving without it? In which case it's the law and you aren't above it so why is it unfair?
They could of said I murdered someone.. It's their word against mine and because they're police, they would most likely be believed.
When I recieved the letter the police woman wrote that she wasn't sure if I was wearing the seatbelt or not when she waived me over..... Hmm convenient init. "
But the pointt is you drive without a seatbelt and therefore can't be certain that you are innocent. Which combined with the fact that you've been convicted suggests that they had enough evidence to prove that you were guilty of the offence
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Were you driving with it off at some point such that it was possible an officer saw you?
If yes, banged to rights I'm afraid
I can't remember if I was driving with it off at anytime of the day.
So you presumably do drive without a seatbelt sometimes?
I really can't see why you feel hard done by"
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By *a LunaWoman
over a year ago
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I think you could have instructed a local to the offence area Solicitor to attend Court on your behalf if you wanted to dispute it but couldn’t attend yourself, but obviously that would have incurred more costs and you could still have lost anyway.
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"Were you driving with it off at some point such that it was possible an officer saw you?
If yes, banged to rights I'm afraid
I can't remember if I was driving with it off at anytime of the day. "
I feel like somethings missing without my belt on so never drive without it, if your not sure that means sometimes you do go without it, so yes the fine is fair for any one of those incidents. It’s a pretty simple rule to follow. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"When I was driving through blackpool a police woman pulled me over and said the reason for stopping me was because I wasn't wearing a seat belt (I was wearing a seat belt when I was stopped) I said but look I'm wearing my belt and she then said.. A policeman saw me driving earlier with it off She then took my details and said I might hear about or I might not.
Almost 9 months later I recieved a letter asking me to attend court in Blackpool. I didn't fancy driving back, so I rang the number on the letter and explained that I was living over 500miles round trip from Blackpool and I asked if I could attend a court closer to me.. But they said I had to attend the court in blackpool.
Anyways I was taken to court in my absence and now I have to pay £120
Your wording tells a tale itself, you say you were wearing a seatbelt when you were stopped so presumably you weren't at some point before you were stopped.
Courts don't cater to people's location etc, that's not how it works.
I think there's nothing to dispute, if you had shown up you could have but since you didn't turn up you have nothing to moan about. "
Yes i was wearing a seat belt when I was stopped. If I wasn't wearing a seatbelt when I was stopped then I would of held my hands up and not complained about it.
Would of you of travelled over a 500 miles round trip for the sake of it? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"When I was driving through blackpool a police woman pulled me over and said the reason for stopping me was because I wasn't wearing a seat belt (I was wearing a seat belt when I was stopped) I said but look I'm wearing my belt and she then said.. A policeman saw me driving earlier with it off She then took my details and said I might hear about or I might not.
Almost 9 months later I recieved a letter asking me to attend court in Blackpool. I didn't fancy driving back, so I rang the number on the letter and explained that I was living over 500miles round trip from Blackpool and I asked if I could attend a court closer to me.. But they said I had to attend the court in blackpool.
Anyways I was taken to court in my absence and now I have to pay £120
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if you drive a car in this country you're a criminal I feel for you and hate the system of fining and prosecuting motorists in fact so much so I can't get any enjoyment from driving anymore ,bad luck mate |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"You have to attend where the offence took place I believe however I'd say the actual offence was questionable. What evidence was there?
None
Just hearsay of another unknown copper?"
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"I assume from what you've written that at some point you were driving without it? In which case it's the law and you aren't above it so why is it unfair?
They could of said I murdered someone.. It's their word against mine and because they're police, they would most likely be believed.
When I recieved the letter the police woman wrote that she wasn't sure if I was wearing the seatbelt or not when she waived me over..... Hmm convenient init.
But the pointt is you drive without a seatbelt and therefore can't be certain that you are innocent. Which combined with the fact that you've been convicted suggests that they had enough evidence to prove that you were guilty of the offence
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We are usually on the same page on things like this but I have to say that regardless of if he has done it in the past I don't think he can be prosecuted when he hadn't actually been caught in the act.
Advice and guidance perhaps especially if he was wearing his seat belt when actually stopped by the police. |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
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"When I was driving through blackpool a police woman pulled me over and said the reason for stopping me was because I wasn't wearing a seat belt (I was wearing a seat belt when I was stopped) I said but look I'm wearing my belt and she then said.. A policeman saw me driving earlier with it off She then took my details and said I might hear about or I might not.
Almost 9 months later I recieved a letter asking me to attend court in Blackpool. I didn't fancy driving back, so I rang the number on the letter and explained that I was living over 500miles round trip from Blackpool and I asked if I could attend a court closer to me.. But they said I had to attend the court in blackpool.
Anyways I was taken to court in my absence and now I have to pay £120
Your wording tells a tale itself, you say you were wearing a seatbelt when you were stopped so presumably you weren't at some point before you were stopped.
Courts don't cater to people's location etc, that's not how it works.
I think there's nothing to dispute, if you had shown up you could have but since you didn't turn up you have nothing to moan about.
Yes i was wearing a seat belt when I was stopped. If I wasn't wearing a seatbelt when I was stopped then I would of held my hands up and not complained about it.
Would of you of travelled over a 500 miles round trip for the sake of it? "
Yes I would have if I believed I was innocent. As someone said above, they must have had evidence or you wouldn't have been found guilty. Just pay the fine and wear your seatbelt, easy peasy lemon squeezy! |
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When you recieved the letter, asked to attend court, and contacted them.
You should have also asked for the evidence against you, who else to contact to provide it.
If they couldn't provide 100% proof you were driving without a belt you could have appealed your need to attend court
I would also add, the CPS decide which cases do & don't go to court, not the police.
They would not take a minor case like this to court without being certain they would win.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I assume from what you've written that at some point you were driving without it? In which case it's the law and you aren't above it so why is it unfair?
They could of said I murdered someone.. It's their word against mine and because they're police, they would most likely be believed.
When I recieved the letter the police woman wrote that she wasn't sure if I was wearing the seatbelt or not when she waived me over..... Hmm convenient init.
But the pointt is you drive without a seatbelt and therefore can't be certain that you are innocent. Which combined with the fact that you've been convicted suggests that they had enough evidence to prove that you were guilty of the offence
We are usually on the same page on things like this but I have to say that regardless of if he has done it in the past I don't think he can be prosecuted when he hadn't actually been caught in the act.
Advice and guidance perhaps especially if he was wearing his seat belt when actually stopped by the police. "
To be honest I'm not convinced that we are hearing the entire story. Even if he'd been caught in the act there's a fair chance he'd have got a telling off and if not it's almost always nothing more than a fixed penalty notice. I wonder if there is more to this tale.
But ultimately if the best defence you have is "I may or may not have been doing it earlier" and the police seem to have evidence he was then you are kind of screwed. Most people can say with conviction that they would not be seen driving without a seatbelt because most people realise it's fucking stupid not to wear one so can offer a far more substantial defence.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"When I was driving through blackpool a police woman pulled me over and said the reason for stopping me was because I wasn't wearing a seat belt (I was wearing a seat belt when I was stopped) I said but look I'm wearing my belt and she then said.. A policeman saw me driving earlier with it off She then took my details and said I might hear about or I might not.
Almost 9 months later I recieved a letter asking me to attend court in Blackpool. I didn't fancy driving back, so I rang the number on the letter and explained that I was living over 500miles round trip from Blackpool and I asked if I could attend a court closer to me.. But they said I had to attend the court in blackpool.
Anyways I was taken to court in my absence and now I have to pay £120
Your wording tells a tale itself, you say you were wearing a seatbelt when you were stopped so presumably you weren't at some point before you were stopped.
Courts don't cater to people's location etc, that's not how it works.
I think there's nothing to dispute, if you had shown up you could have but since you didn't turn up you have nothing to moan about.
Yes i was wearing a seat belt when I was stopped. If I wasn't wearing a seatbelt when I was stopped then I would of held my hands up and not complained about it.
Would of you of travelled over a 500 miles round trip for the sake of it?
Yes I would have if I believed I was innocent. As someone said above, they must have had evidence or you wouldn't have been found guilty. Just pay the fine and wear your seatbelt, easy peasy lemon squeezy! "
Well I couldn't afford to take time off from work to do that.. It would of cost me much more than £120. I would of liked to of seen the evidence, though I doubt there was any at all. |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
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"When I was driving through blackpool a police woman pulled me over and said the reason for stopping me was because I wasn't wearing a seat belt (I was wearing a seat belt when I was stopped) I said but look I'm wearing my belt and she then said.. A policeman saw me driving earlier with it off She then took my details and said I might hear about or I might not.
Almost 9 months later I recieved a letter asking me to attend court in Blackpool. I didn't fancy driving back, so I rang the number on the letter and explained that I was living over 500miles round trip from Blackpool and I asked if I could attend a court closer to me.. But they said I had to attend the court in blackpool.
Anyways I was taken to court in my absence and now I have to pay £120
Your wording tells a tale itself, you say you were wearing a seatbelt when you were stopped so presumably you weren't at some point before you were stopped.
Courts don't cater to people's location etc, that's not how it works.
I think there's nothing to dispute, if you had shown up you could have but since you didn't turn up you have nothing to moan about.
Yes i was wearing a seat belt when I was stopped. If I wasn't wearing a seatbelt when I was stopped then I would of held my hands up and not complained about it.
Would of you of travelled over a 500 miles round trip for the sake of it?
Yes I would have if I believed I was innocent. As someone said above, they must have had evidence or you wouldn't have been found guilty. Just pay the fine and wear your seatbelt, easy peasy lemon squeezy!
Well I couldn't afford to take time off from work to do that.. It would of cost me much more than £120. I would of liked to of seen the evidence, though I doubt there was any at all. "
You wouldn't have been found guilty without it. As someone above said, there must be more to this story, I think you're trying to paint yourself as innocent but I think you may be telling porkies! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I assume from what you've written that at some point you were driving without it? In which case it's the law and you aren't above it so why is it unfair?
They could of said I murdered someone.. It's their word against mine and because they're police, they would most likely be believed.
When I recieved the letter the police woman wrote that she wasn't sure if I was wearing the seatbelt or not when she waived me over..... Hmm convenient init.
But the pointt is you drive without a seatbelt and therefore can't be certain that you are innocent. Which combined with the fact that you've been convicted suggests that they had enough evidence to prove that you were guilty of the offence
We are usually on the same page on things like this but I have to say that regardless of if he has done it in the past I don't think he can be prosecuted when he hadn't actually been caught in the act.
Advice and guidance perhaps especially if he was wearing his seat belt when actually stopped by the police.
To be honest I'm not convinced that we are hearing the entire story. Even if he'd been caught in the act there's a fair chance he'd have got a telling off and if not it's almost always nothing more than a fixed penalty notice. I wonder if there is more to this tale.
But ultimately if the best defence you have is "I may or may not have been doing it earlier" and the police seem to have evidence he was then you are kind of screwed. Most people can say with conviction that they would not be seen driving without a seatbelt because most people realise it's fucking stupid not to wear one so can offer a far more substantial defence.
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You may not be convinced that you are hearing the entire story, but I know this is the entire story.
I drive a van and I'm in and out of the van all day, stopping and starting.. If at any point I was stopped whilst not wearing my belt then fair enough. but to be stopped when I was wearing it and and still get fined doesn't seem fair to me.
There was no evidence on camera either.
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"When I was driving through blackpool a police woman pulled me over and said the reason for stopping me was because I wasn't wearing a seat belt (I was wearing a seat belt when I was stopped) I said but look I'm wearing my belt and she then said.. A policeman saw me driving earlier with it off She then took my details and said I might hear about or I might not.
Almost 9 months later I recieved a letter asking me to attend court in Blackpool. I didn't fancy driving back, so I rang the number on the letter and explained that I was living over 500miles round trip from Blackpool and I asked if I could attend a court closer to me.. But they said I had to attend the court in blackpool.
Anyways I was taken to court in my absence and now I have to pay £120
Your wording tells a tale itself, you say you were wearing a seatbelt when you were stopped so presumably you weren't at some point before you were stopped.
Courts don't cater to people's location etc, that's not how it works.
I think there's nothing to dispute, if you had shown up you could have but since you didn't turn up you have nothing to moan about.
Yes i was wearing a seat belt when I was stopped. If I wasn't wearing a seatbelt when I was stopped then I would of held my hands up and not complained about it.
Would of you of travelled over a 500 miles round trip for the sake of it?
Yes I would have if I believed I was innocent. As someone said above, they must have had evidence or you wouldn't have been found guilty. Just pay the fine and wear your seatbelt, easy peasy lemon squeezy!
Well I couldn't afford to take time off from work to do that.. It would of cost me much more than £120. I would of liked to of seen the evidence, though I doubt there was any at all.
You wouldn't have been found guilty without it. As someone above said, there must be more to this story, I think you're trying to paint yourself as innocent but I think you may be telling porkies! "
What porkies could I possibly be telling here? It is what it is. |
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By *ea monkeyMan
over a year ago
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I don't think we're hearing the whole story here and your responses are full of qualifiers "at the time", "I don't think", etc. They would have had evidence that you were driving without and from your responses it seems fairly clear that you had been.
Frankly I think it's a bit daft to not drive with your seat belt on, ever. But then I consider driving a large heavy piece of machinery capable of killing me and others to be worthy of following a few laws over. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"When I was driving through blackpool a police woman pulled me over and said the reason for stopping me was because I wasn't wearing a seat belt (I was wearing a seat belt when I was stopped) I said but look I'm wearing my belt and she then said.. A policeman saw me driving earlier with it off She then took my details and said I might hear about or I might not.
Almost 9 months later I recieved a letter asking me to attend court in Blackpool. I didn't fancy driving back, so I rang the number on the letter and explained that I was living over 500miles round trip from Blackpool and I asked if I could attend a court closer to me.. But they said I had to attend the court in blackpool.
Anyways I was taken to court in my absence and now I have to pay £120
Your wording tells a tale itself, you say you were wearing a seatbelt when you were stopped so presumably you weren't at some point before you were stopped.
Courts don't cater to people's location etc, that's not how it works.
I think there's nothing to dispute, if you had shown up you could have but since you didn't turn up you have nothing to moan about.
Yes i was wearing a seat belt when I was stopped. If I wasn't wearing a seatbelt when I was stopped then I would of held my hands up and not complained about it.
Would of you of travelled over a 500 miles round trip for the sake of it?
Yes I would have if I believed I was innocent. As someone said above, they must have had evidence or you wouldn't have been found guilty. Just pay the fine and wear your seatbelt, easy peasy lemon squeezy!
Well I couldn't afford to take time off from work to do that.. It would of cost me much more than £120. I would of liked to of seen the evidence, though I doubt there was any at all. "
You doubt there was any evidence? So there could be. Guilty. |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
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"I assume from what you've written that at some point you were driving without it? In which case it's the law and you aren't above it so why is it unfair?
They could of said I murdered someone.. It's their word against mine and because they're police, they would most likely be believed.
When I recieved the letter the police woman wrote that she wasn't sure if I was wearing the seatbelt or not when she waived me over..... Hmm convenient init.
But the pointt is you drive without a seatbelt and therefore can't be certain that you are innocent. Which combined with the fact that you've been convicted suggests that they had enough evidence to prove that you were guilty of the offence
We are usually on the same page on things like this but I have to say that regardless of if he has done it in the past I don't think he can be prosecuted when he hadn't actually been caught in the act.
Advice and guidance perhaps especially if he was wearing his seat belt when actually stopped by the police.
To be honest I'm not convinced that we are hearing the entire story. Even if he'd been caught in the act there's a fair chance he'd have got a telling off and if not it's almost always nothing more than a fixed penalty notice. I wonder if there is more to this tale.
But ultimately if the best defence you have is "I may or may not have been doing it earlier" and the police seem to have evidence he was then you are kind of screwed. Most people can say with conviction that they would not be seen driving without a seatbelt because most people realise it's fucking stupid not to wear one so can offer a far more substantial defence.
You may not be convinced that you are hearing the entire story, but I know this is the entire story.
I drive a van and I'm in and out of the van all day, stopping and starting.. If at any point I was stopped whilst not wearing my belt then fair enough. but to be stopped when I was wearing it and and still get fined doesn't seem fair to me.
There was no evidence on camera either.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"When you recieved the letter, asked to attend court, and contacted them.
You should have also asked for the evidence against you, who else to contact to provide it.
If they couldn't provide 100% proof you were driving without a belt you could have appealed your need to attend court
I would also add, the CPS decide which cases do & don't go to court, not the police.
They would not take a minor case like this to court without being certain they would win.
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I'm not familiar with any of it. I was talking to some locals afterwards and they told me that the police were stopping lots of people in the same area over the last couple of weeks or so.
I didn't bother to appeal or see further into it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Police cars have loads of cameras in them so it was probably one of them that got the evidence. From what little I know of UK laws, might the fine have been bigger if you had attended court and still been found guilty? You might have got off lightly at £120. |
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By *stellaWoman
over a year ago
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I don’t believe this could happen without visual evidence being taken at the time, or without it being the stop at the time being where you had your seatbelt off. Likewise, I cannot believe an officer would have left it so vague in terms of what would happen next and that in that situation you didn’t proactively make enquiries ahead of the court letter coming to establish the situation. I’m sorry, I’m not convinced.
If I’m wrong (which I’m open to) and if you do drive around on occasion with your seatbelt off then I’m afraid it’s karma.
Whatever the situation, if you were summoned to attend court (wherever it is) and didn’t go, then it’s fair that a fine for that (irrespective of the offence itself) has been imposed. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Because you keep saying there’s no evidence instead of there’s no way I was driving without a seatbelt "
My thoughts too . Nowhere does the op say he always wears his seat belt so the fine is justified imo . |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Imagine if you were all driving through town and at the end of the day a police woman waives you down when you are wearing a seat belt and you end up getting finned for not wearing a seat belt.
Just seems like bullshit to me. |
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"Imagine if you were all driving through town and at the end of the day a police woman waives you down when you are wearing a seat belt and you end up getting finned for not wearing a seat belt.
Just seems like bullshit to me. "
I'd look into the case against me rather than risking a record. If that's what happened, yes, that's bullshit. But the odds of that actually being the case are rather low. |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
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"Imagine if you were all driving through town and at the end of the day a police woman waives you down when you are wearing a seat belt and you end up getting finned for not wearing a seat belt.
Just seems like bullshit to me. "
Why ask people their opinions if you don't actually want them?
You expected people to be sympathetic? |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
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"Imagine if you were all driving through town and at the end of the day a police woman waives you down when you are wearing a seat belt and you end up getting finned for not wearing a seat belt.
Just seems like bullshit to me. "
And the fact is, you don't always wear a seatbelt, karma's a bitch. |
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over a year ago
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"Imagine if you were all driving through town and at the end of the day a police woman waives you down when you are wearing a seat belt and you end up getting finned for not wearing a seat belt.
Just seems like bullshit to me. "
Most people would know they always wear a seatbelt so would just ask for evidence that they weren't wearing one. Because they know no evidence would exist. |
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"When you recieved the letter, asked to attend court, and contacted them.
You should have also asked for the evidence against you, who else to contact to provide it.
If they couldn't provide 100% proof you were driving without a belt you could have appealed your need to attend court
I would also add, the CPS decide which cases do & don't go to court, not the police.
They would not take a minor case like this to court without being certain they would win.
I'm not familiar with any of it. I was talking to some locals afterwards and they told me that the police were stopping lots of people in the same area over the last couple of weeks or so.
I didn't bother to appeal or see further into it. "
So the police were targeting a particular area, probably one that had been pinpointed as a hot spot.
Which would also mean, it's pretty certain they would have had cameras operating in that area, maybe not exactly where you where stopped, but I'm close proximity.
Like I said, the police only provide evidence, the CPS decide if its good enough to gain a conviction |
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By *ea monkeyMan
over a year ago
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"Seems like none of you believe me. I have no need to lie.
I guess there are a couple of coppers here too. "
When you throw yourself in a public forum asking for opinions and sympathy then you can expect people to tell you what you think and it rarely goes as people had hoped.
Getting snarky about the opinions that you asked for just seems churlish
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Imagine if you were all driving through town and at the end of the day a police woman waives you down when you are wearing a seat belt and you end up getting finned for not wearing a seat belt.
Just seems like bullshit to me. "
Can I guess that when you got pulled they told you that they had seen you earlier driving without a seatbelt you weren't overly receptive?
Because as I've said before this sort of thing is dealt with as advice or a fixed penalty fine. But it ended up in court. And that doesn't happen for no reason |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
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"Imagine if you were all driving through town and at the end of the day a police woman waives you down when you are wearing a seat belt and you end up getting finned for not wearing a seat belt.
Just seems like bullshit to me.
Can I guess that when you got pulled they told you that they had seen you earlier driving without a seatbelt you weren't overly receptive?
Because as I've said before this sort of thing is dealt with as advice or a fixed penalty fine. But it ended up in court. And that doesn't happen for no reason "
I wonder how many times he'd been caught previously, usually that also has an impact on how it's dealt with. |
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"When I was driving through blackpool a police woman pulled me over and said the reason for stopping me was because I wasn't wearing a seat belt (I was wearing a seat belt when I was stopped) I said but look I'm wearing my belt and she then said.. A policeman saw me driving earlier with it off She then took my details and said I might hear about or I might not.
Almost 9 months later I recieved a letter asking me to attend court in Blackpool. I didn't fancy driving back, so I rang the number on the letter and explained that I was living over 500miles round trip from Blackpool and I asked if I could attend a court closer to me.. But they said I had to attend the court in blackpool.
Anyways I was taken to court in my absence and now I have to pay £120
Unless you were on camera I'd have disputed it. "
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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago
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I can't believe took 9 months for them to get in touch with you tbh.
It does sound like on occasion you do drive without your seatbelt on, you unfortunately were seen by a policeman this time!! So I think the fine is fair.
Clunk, click, every trip!! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Imagine if you were all driving through town and at the end of the day a police woman waives you down when you are wearing a seat belt and you end up getting finned for not wearing a seat belt.
Just seems like bullshit to me.
Most people would know they always wear a seatbelt so would just ask for evidence that they weren't wearing one. Because they know no evidence would exist. "
I didn't know I could ask for evidence. I've never been involved with anything to do with motoring offences or anything else like that before. I just got on with my work and came back home two weeks later and forgot about it, until I recieved a letter almost 9 months later asking me to attend court. |
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over a year ago
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"Imagine if you were all driving through town and at the end of the day a police woman waives you down when you are wearing a seat belt and you end up getting finned for not wearing a seat belt.
Just seems like bullshit to me.
Can I guess that when you got pulled they told you that they had seen you earlier driving without a seatbelt you weren't overly receptive?
Because as I've said before this sort of thing is dealt with as advice or a fixed penalty fine. But it ended up in court. And that doesn't happen for no reason "
Correct |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Seems like none of you believe me. I have no need to lie.
I guess there are a couple of coppers here too.
Hey! I stuck up for you! Ungrateful bugger  "
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over a year ago
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"Imagine if you were all driving through town and at the end of the day a police woman waives you down when you are wearing a seat belt and you end up getting finned for not wearing a seat belt.
Just seems like bullshit to me.
Can I guess that when you got pulled they told you that they had seen you earlier driving without a seatbelt you weren't overly receptive?
Because as I've said before this sort of thing is dealt with as advice or a fixed penalty fine. But it ended up in court. And that doesn't happen for no reason
Correct "
So police pulled you, you gave them attitude and then are surprised that they went to the trouble of putting a case together and getting it to caught.
Fair? Probably not. Inevitable? Probably. Your own fault? Definitely |
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"Imagine if you were all driving through town and at the end of the day a police woman waives you down when you are wearing a seat belt and you end up getting finned for not wearing a seat belt.
Just seems like bullshit to me.
Can I guess that when you got pulled they told you that they had seen you earlier driving without a seatbelt you weren't overly receptive?
Because as I've said before this sort of thing is dealt with as advice or a fixed penalty fine. But it ended up in court. And that doesn't happen for no reason
Correct
So police pulled you, you gave them attitude and then are surprised that they went to the trouble of putting a case together and getting it to caught.
Fair? Probably not. Inevitable? Probably. Your own fault? Definitely "
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"No they need evidence ie pics or more than one person also they can only summons you before 6 months after that your solicitor should have contested it"
I heard something about that before.
Anyways its paid now. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Fair or not, the fact you didn't contest it, is an admission of guilt of sorts.
Consider yourself lucky the worst you got was £120 fine. The consequences of crashing whilst not wearing it are far more serious. I'd say you got of lightly.
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"I assume from what you've written that at some point you were driving without it? In which case it's the law and you aren't above it so why is it unfair?
They could of said I murdered someone.. It's their word against mine and because they're police, they would most likely be believed.
When I recieved the letter the police woman wrote that she wasn't sure if I was wearing the seatbelt or not when she waived me over..... Hmm convenient init.
But the pointt is you drive without a seatbelt and therefore can't be certain that you are innocent. Which combined with the fact that you've been convicted suggests that they had enough evidence to prove that you were guilty of the offence
We are usually on the same page on things like this but I have to say that regardless of if he has done it in the past I don't think he can be prosecuted when he hadn't actually been caught in the act.
Advice and guidance perhaps especially if he was wearing his seat belt when actually stopped by the police. "
Hearsay is if i say "ao qnd so told me x" the police being organised will have got the original officer to have made a statement so its no longer hearsay.
He was caught in the act and his information passed to a traffic unit to apprehend.
Jesus can you imagine how bad things would be if you could only be prosecuted if caught in the act? |
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over a year ago
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"I have paid it. I feel I'm in court here now.
You commited a crime and expected sympathy when you got caught?
Allegedly  "
Not allegedly any more, he was found guilty.
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"I assume from what you've written that at some point you were driving without it? In which case it's the law and you aren't above it so why is it unfair?
They could of said I murdered someone.. It's their word against mine and because they're police, they would most likely be believed.
When I recieved the letter the police woman wrote that she wasn't sure if I was wearing the seatbelt or not when she waived me over..... Hmm convenient init.
But the pointt is you drive without a seatbelt and therefore can't be certain that you are innocent. Which combined with the fact that you've been convicted suggests that they had enough evidence to prove that you were guilty of the offence
We are usually on the same page on things like this but I have to say that regardless of if he has done it in the past I don't think he can be prosecuted when he hadn't actually been caught in the act.
Advice and guidance perhaps especially if he was wearing his seat belt when actually stopped by the police.
To be honest I'm not convinced that we are hearing the entire story. Even if he'd been caught in the act there's a fair chance he'd have got a telling off and if not it's almost always nothing more than a fixed penalty notice. I wonder if there is more to this tale.
But ultimately if the best defence you have is "I may or may not have been doing it earlier" and the police seem to have evidence he was then you are kind of screwed. Most people can say with conviction that they would not be seen driving without a seatbelt because most people realise it's fucking stupid not to wear one so can offer a far more substantial defence.
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Well said. It's really silly not to wear a seatbelt. If you're involved in an RTA the outcome could be far worse if you're not wearing a belt, than if you are. They were introduced for a reason. |
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over a year ago
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Did you do the old ‘shit there is a copper over there, best put my belt on’ job?.
I don’t feel it’s unfair, as I would have thought it would have gone to court with no evidence in place, you didn’t turn up so I assume they told you there was no evidence for you to conclude it was unfair? If they haven’t told you anything, other than the fine, you have no idea what evidence they had.
Unfortunately you got caught, if you feel that strongly can you appeal? Maybe turn up next time? Unfortunately wherever you do the crime you have to go back, they don’t move courts to benefit you.
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"Did you do the old ‘shit there is a copper over there, best put my belt on’ job?.
I don’t feel it’s unfair, as I would have thought it would have gone to court with no evidence in place, you didn’t turn up so I assume they told you there was no evidence for you to conclude it was unfair? If they haven’t told you anything, other than the fine, you have no idea what evidence they had.
Unfortunately you got caught, if you feel that strongly can you appeal? Maybe turn up next time? Unfortunately wherever you do the crime you have to go back, they don’t move courts to benefit you.
Danish x"
Fat fingers *wouldnt have gone to court |
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"Were you driving with it off at some point such that it was possible an officer saw you?
If yes, banged to rights I'm afraid
I can't remember if I was driving with it off at anytime of the day. "
The policewoman obviously can! |
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over a year ago
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"If you don’t turn up to court don’t they find against you anyway? "
Exactly. By failing to submit a defence you are admitting guilt.
Nothing you can do about it I'm afraid. |
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over a year ago
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"Big boy pants on.
Get over it.
And remember your seatbelt isn't optional.
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I think his attitude screwed him.
I was pulled over recently doing well in excess of the speed limit (3 didgets sort of thing). Pulled over in a sensible spot, held my hands up was civil and courteous answered all thier questions.
And they admitted i wasnt doing itt ina dangerous manner and that they personally were hopping id jist slow down and they could pass me and sort of warn me that way but like a knob i didnt.
They put me down as minimun category and i got 3 points and 100 pound fine.
If I'd had been an arse id have been in court having my license taken away.
Police officers are human, they spend thier days getting lied to and abused. Be the honest and decent one and they will usualy be more than happy to cut you a break |
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"Big boy pants on.
Get over it.
And remember your seatbelt isn't optional.
I think his attitude screwed him.
I was pulled over recently doing well in excess of the speed limit (3 didgets sort of thing). Pulled over in a sensible spot, held my hands up was civil and courteous answered all thier questions.
And they admitted i wasnt doing itt ina dangerous manner and that they personally were hopping id jist slow down and they could pass me and sort of warn me that way but like a knob i didnt.
They put me down as minimun category and i got 3 points and 100 pound fine.
If I'd had been an arse id have been in court having my license taken away.
Police officers are human, they spend thier days getting lied to and abused. Be the honest and decent one and they will usualy be more than happy to cut you a break"
So maybe if I'd of kissed the police woman's arse, I wouldn't of heard any more about it 9 months later. |
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"Were you driving with it off at some point such that it was possible an officer saw you?
If yes, banged to rights I'm afraid
I can't remember if I was driving with it off at anytime of the day. "
That to me would mean you are in the habit of doing it. 'Nuff said. |
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"Big boy pants on.
Get over it.
And remember your seatbelt isn't optional.
I think his attitude screwed him.
I was pulled over recently doing well in excess of the speed limit (3 didgets sort of thing). Pulled over in a sensible spot, held my hands up was civil and courteous answered all thier questions.
And they admitted i wasnt doing itt ina dangerous manner and that they personally were hopping id jist slow down and they could pass me and sort of warn me that way but like a knob i didnt.
They put me down as minimun category and i got 3 points and 100 pound fine.
If I'd had been an arse id have been in court having my license taken away.
Police officers are human, they spend thier days getting lied to and abused. Be the honest and decent one and they will usualy be more than happy to cut you a break
So maybe if I'd of kissed the police woman's arse, I wouldn't of heard any more about it 9 months later. "
Nope if you'd just not been an arse about it.
You know if you did it. They know if you did it.
If both sides of the story line up you tend to get off well.
If both sides dont line up, well fuck it whos going out of thier way to help a liar?
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It just seems they can say anything and take people to court just because they have powers and they will be believed over the public.
My mate is an ex policman and he quit his job after he found out how dodgy they were.
He told me once he arrested someone for drink driving and no tax and the Sargent gave him a telling off about it, because the arrested man was his mate.
Another time he arrested someone for drugs and whilst the guy was in the holding cell, the other coppers smoked his lol.
He told me so many stories it's made it hard for me to take them seriously now. |
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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago
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Well there is a little truth in your last post OP. I was stopped for speeding when I was about 19 maybe. I pulled my skirt up and my top down before he walked over. I was listening to Take That, we had a chat about who our favourites were, I fluttered my eyelashes a few times and he let me off  |
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"He told me once he arrested someone for drink driving and no tax and the Sargent gave him a telling off about it, because the arrested man was his mate.
Another time he arrested someone for drugs and whilst the guy was in the holding cell, the other coppers smoked his lol.
He told me so many stories it's made it hard for me to take them seriously now. "
As you say they are ‘stories’. Coppers smoking they have seized, that wouldn’t show up on routine substance misuse testing leading to them getting sacked would it?
A summons for a seatbelt matter, which is a summary only offence, has to be issued within 6 months of the date of the alleged offence. If you are correct in saying there were 9 months between the alleged offence and any paperwork being received, something is wrong.
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"Well there is a little truth in your last post OP. I was stopped for speeding when I was about 19 maybe. I pulled my skirt up and my top down before he walked over. I was listening to Take That, we had a chat about who our favourites were, I fluttered my eyelashes a few times and he let me off "
Doesn't surprise me at all.
Here a traffic officer was jailed for asking women for sex in return for excusing driving offences.
This is not a story it's true, go Google. |
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It just seems they can say anything and take people to court just because they have powers and they will be believed over the public.
My mate is an ex policman and he quit his job after he found out how dodgy they were.
He told me once he arrested someone for drink driving and no tax and the Sargent gave him a telling off about it, because the arrested man was his mate.
Another time he arrested someone for drugs and whilst the guy was in the holding cell, the other coppers smoked his lol.
He told me so many stories it's made it hard for me to take them seriously now. "
I apologise to shag this is tonight's episode lf shit that never happened |
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Corruption and poor practices happen in the police force, yes. There are poor practices, bias gets involved, etc. But this still reads like, I might not have been wearing my seat belt at some point, I was pulled over and talked to about it, I gave someone crap for doing their job, and I didn't investigate my rights or options when I was summoned to a hearing.
Just because the police can do bad things doesn't mean you're in the right here. |
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