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Should the cane be introduced in schools?
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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No, it is abit extreme but as some pupils nowdays have lost the respect for the teachers, how can a teacher disipline them and get order in a class room without getting reported? What is your experience if you are a teacher? |
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That's certainly the way to instill moral behaviour, encourage cooperation with all members of society and healthy attitudes towards both stronger and weaker. Hold them against their will and painfully violate their bodily autonomy  |
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Yeh let's abuse the kids at school!  kids are sponges we as the adults are responsible for what soaks in..... education begins at home, one kid acting out because of what he/she has witnessed at home for example goes to school and heh ho he/she gets a hiding from the teacher....horrible thought |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Yeh let's abuse the kids at school! kids are sponges we as the adults are responsible for what soaks in..... education begins at home, one kid acting out because of what he/she has witnessed at home for example goes to school and heh ho he/she gets a hiding from the teacher....horrible thought "
Well said.x |
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By *r TriomanMan
over a year ago
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"No, it is abit extreme but as some pupils nowdays have lost the respect for the teachers, how can a teacher disipline them and get order in a class room without getting reported? What is your experience if you are a teacher?"
There's so much violence on the sheets, why the hell would we want to bring it into the classrooms? Using teachers as a role model to demonstste that a violent act is a method of achieving a desired outcome... I don't think so. |
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By *arrapsMan
over a year ago
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So what do we do, take children away from parents who do nothing to teach their offspring the basics of decency.
Or
Do we enforce a rigid policy of no phones, no iPads, no talking, wear a school uniform.
IMHO this seems to work
I know I’m going to get flak from the do gooders,so it’s tin hat on and watch from the sidelines |
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By *inn2000Woman
over a year ago
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Here's a novel idea - spend more time modelling and encouraging respect and integrity and fairness and less time worrying about uniform and may be- just maybe- we will get the result we want in the end?? |
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By *arrapsMan
over a year ago
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"Here's a novel idea - spend more time modelling and encouraging respect and integrity and fairness and less time worrying about uniform and may be- just maybe- we will get the result we want in the end??"
Some parents don’t know the meaning of fairness or integrity,it’s me me me, and sadly that’s what their offspring see and emulate |
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By *inn2000Woman
over a year ago
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"Here's a novel idea - spend more time modelling and encouraging respect and integrity and fairness and less time worrying about uniform and may be- just maybe- we will get the result we want in the end??
Some parents don’t know the meaning of fairness or integrity,it’s me me me, and sadly that’s what their offspring see and emulate "
Which makes it more important that they witness it at school?? |
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If a five foot female teacher tried to cane a six foot 14 year old what do you think might be the outcome? Quite apart from corporal punishment in a place of learning being completely at odds with the values most schools have nowadays. |
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"No as it’s against the law but I think little children sized cells are a good idea"
 . I think they should install one in every supermarket because some parents seem to believe that they're adventure parks. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Taught in a SEN school for years a while back. Its staggering and sad how many of these kids come to school as a refuge away from violence. I have been in situations where non-pain based restraints have to be employed to prevent a child from harm but only in the very last resort. All other steps must be followed first. It's a horrible thing to have to be a party of and I feel like I failed everytime that needed to happen. Best interest of the child should be paramount in everybody's concern. So twatting their hands with a stick for some slight or other? Nah. You get bullies who abuse it, over reactors and ones that will use it just because the child is being wilfull and independent. You have to resort to violence to arrest negative behaviour patterns you, as the teacher, have already lost that child and theres no coming back from that. Violence begets violence. |
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I've never really understood the logic...
So a kid A hits kid B and gets the cane as punishment.
Does it go like this?
Teacher: right 5 hits with a can for hitting kid B.
Repeat after me:
Whack: I
Whack: will
Whack: not
Whack: hit
Whack: people
So I've not taught you not to hit people by.... hitting you!
Kids learn by example and boundaries.
Effective discipline is achieved by the parents instilling boundaries and then enforcing them. You don't need to hit a kid to achieve that.
If the parent does that then the kid will not have issue at school.
I've never hit either of our kids, I don't need to and they are polite, well mannered and educated kids.
As far as I am concerned if you feel you need to hit a kid to discipline it then you failed not the child, teacher or parent.
Having said that if I thought smacking my child was the most effective form of discipline to achieve the goal of bringing up a well rounded young adult I'd have no problem doing it, if there were no other means.
But it just isn't...
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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no...i think its stupid way to try sort any situation out..
i was unlucky enough to goto school when the belt was still allowed..i remember in primary 4 getting a really old and mean teacher who punched the 7 times table into me..he used to tower above me and get me to recite the 7 times table,when ever i got it wrong i used to get a knuckle to the head..ok now i can count in groups of 7 without thinking but i can tell it hasnt came in handy at all.
to be honest i think this kinda behaviour is ape like and it just holds us back as a race |
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No I don’t believe it should be re introduced in schools even though it never did me any harm . Discipline has to come from home and from an early age . By discipline I mean clear defined boundaries and consequences. This , then followed through into school and supported 100% by the parents . Too many parents in this day and age support bad behaviour and undermine the ethos of fair discipline |
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"I think it’s the discipline at home that’s lacking and that in turn affects behaviour in the classroom. There has to be a basis of respect instilled by the parents before they even start school. "
That and chaotic, damaging, abusive parents.
It's more of a problem now we can no longer just beat children into submission, but better for most children. |
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"I think it’s the discipline at home that’s lacking and that in turn affects behaviour in the classroom. There has to be a basis of respect instilled by the parents before they even start school. "
Bang on the money |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Yup needs reintroducing.
We as a country have become too leniant towards those that do wrong. Sure it started off well meaning but sadly those for whom it was supposed to protect are still being abused in other ways...and those that know how to work the system get away with literally murder.
I grew up in the decades when the change came into force so remember being smaked (back of thigh / canned/ ear pulled) as a child/youngster and then when it became outlawed I was by then a but older but saw the change in attitutes of the proceeding generations.
I'm not saying beat the crap out of someone...but right now there is nothing...nothing what so ever to act as a deterant.
And the thing is, if children are not taught about cause and effect as adults they go around behaving as if the world owes them and they are never in the wrong.
Sitting on the naughty step? No iPad for a week...OMG!! Dont be too hard on the little cherubs.
Whilst the UK Government says you can't physically discipline a child in school..you can be rest assured many non-uk cultures still discipline children behind closed doors in that way at home. So now we have sub-tiers of children/young people /future adults on how they are being raised.
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"No I don’t believe it should be re introduced in schools even though it never did me any harm . Discipline has to come from home and from an early age . By discipline I mean clear defined boundaries and consequences. This , then followed through into school and supported 100% by the parents . Too many parents in this day and age support bad behaviour and undermine the ethos of fair discipline "
And a large percentage just run away from it or can't be bothered to deal with it and then all of a sudden it's got out of hand and they wonder why.
When you give in to that child that you've said no to a 100 hundred times because you can't be bothered to say no anymore it's the beginning of that child knowing they can get away with it.
Friends of ours confiscated their childs phone only for that child to borrow a friends phone for the duration which they said was acceptable because it wasn't her phone.
They couldn't see that they had made the punishment they set completely pointless. That's not a consequence, so no effective punishment so no reason to stop the negative behaviour. Then they wonder why they can't control their childs behaviour.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Times have moved on thankfully,
Why beat the little shit when u can take away tecnology games and phones, that is contributing to violence, lack of respect and stinking attitude that a good % of
Youngsters have today. I feared my farther for his fist.
My son will fear me because i have his charger  |
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"No I don’t believe it should be re introduced in schools even though it never did me any harm . Discipline has to come from home and from an early age . By discipline I mean clear defined boundaries and consequences. This , then followed through into school and supported 100% by the parents . Too many parents in this day and age support bad behaviour and undermine the ethos of fair discipline
And a large percentage just run away from it or can't be bothered to deal with it and then all of a sudden it's got out of hand and they wonder why.
When you give in to that child that you've said no to a 100 hundred times because you can't be bothered to say no anymore it's the beginning of that child knowing they can get away with it.
Friends of ours confiscated their childs phone only for that child to borrow a friends phone for the duration which they said was acceptable because it wasn't her phone.
They couldn't see that they had made the punishment they set completely pointless. That's not a consequence, so no effective punishment so no reason to stop the negative behaviour. Then they wonder why they can't control their childs behaviour.
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Absolutely,,,,,,,, reap what you sow .
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Times have moved on thankfully,
Why beat the little shit when u can take away tecnology games and phones, that is contributing to violence, lack of respect and stinking attitude that a good % of
Youngsters have today. I feared my farther for his fist.
My son will fear me because i have his charger "
Hahaha no he wont he'll just bring home a mate's charger...or get a mate whose parents are less strict to get one for him and pay out of his own pocket money (eg £5 off ebay hahaha)
Anyway kids these days are much more clued up as to their 'rights' and what they can and cant get away with than I was as a kid born in the 70s).
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By (user no longer on site)
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"when you give in to that child that you've said no to a 100 hundred times because you can't be bothered to say no anymore it's the beginning of that child knowing they can get away with it."
yup 100% agree and the problem just gets ignored. Then the parents get angry when other people complain or other children retaliate
and so the cycle continues |
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""when you give in to that child that you've said no to a 100 hundred times because you can't be bothered to say no anymore it's the beginning of that child knowing they can get away with it."
yup 100% agree and the problem just gets ignored. Then the parents get angry when other people complain or other children retaliate
and so the cycle continues"
My kids know I'll tell them once and that answer isn't going to change. Ask again you'll get a warning after that I'll start handing out the consequences.
Now they ask once and they have their answer.
You don't need to hit a kid to get respect.
The kid that doesn't have respect because the parents haven't instilled it isn't going to learn it through the use of a cane though.
Respect isn't fear. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Times have moved on thankfully,
Why beat the little shit when u can take away tecnology games and phones, that is contributing to violence, lack of respect and stinking attitude that a good % of
Youngsters have today. I feared my farther for his fist.
My son will fear me because i have his charger
Hahaha no he wont he'll just bring home a mate's charger...or get a mate whose parents are less strict to get one for him and pay out of his own pocket money (eg £5 off ebay hahaha)
Anyway kids these days are much more clued up as to their 'rights' and what they can and cant get away with than I was as a kid born in the 70s).
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Really why dose it work so well then?
O yes i niavely let him take the phone as well... Dho...
If taken at face value you could come to that conclution. But if u dint take for a fool that paid the little shit to be naughty and not doing his jobs about the house. Talking to me like crap while on his computer, well dont do it agen boy...lol no i dont think so. Get your shit of my tv and go read a book. You know were to put the phone, with the charger mate . |
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""when you give in to that child that you've said no to a 100 hundred times because you can't be bothered to say no anymore it's the beginning of that child knowing they can get away with it."
yup 100% agree and the problem just gets ignored. Then the parents get angry when other people complain or other children retaliate
and so the cycle continues
My kids know I'll tell them once and that answer isn't going to change. Ask again you'll get a warning after that I'll start handing out the consequences.
Now they ask once and they have their answer.
You don't need to hit a kid to get respect.
The kid that doesn't have respect because the parents haven't instilled it isn't going to learn it through the use of a cane though.
Respect isn't fear."
Absolutely. If you can only instill good behaviour in your children by hitting them, you're pretty shit as a parent. |
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By *ilth500Man
over a year ago
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"I think it’s the discipline at home that’s lacking and that in turn affects behaviour in the classroom. There has to be a basis of respect instilled by the parents before they even start school. "
THIS!!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"No, it is abit extreme but as some pupils nowdays have lost the respect for the teachers, how can a teacher disipline them and get order in a class room without getting reported? What is your experience if you are a teacher?"
I'll put it very very simple if a teacher put hands on my kids cane or not the school would have to look for a new teacher cos I'll put the teacher in a way they couldn't physically work again simples and I'm sure that's the same for most parents |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Times have moved on thankfully,
Why beat the little shit when u can take away tecnology games and phones, that is contributing to violence, lack of respect and stinking attitude that a good % of
Youngsters have today. I feared my farther for his fist.
My son will fear me because i have his charger
Hahaha no he wont he'll just bring home a mate's charger...or get a mate whose parents are less strict to get one for him and pay out of his own pocket money (eg £5 off ebay hahaha)
Anyway kids these days are much more clued up as to their 'rights' and what they can and cant get away with than I was as a kid born in the 70s).
Really why dose it work so well then?
O yes i niavely let him take the phone as well... Dho...
If taken at face value you could come to that conclution. But if u dint take for a fool that paid the little shit to be naughty and not doing his jobs about the house. Talking to me like crap while on his computer, well dont do it agen boy...lol no i dont think so. Get your shit of my tv and go read a book. You know were to put the phone, with the charger mate ."
No idea how you are as a parent so yes am taking you at face value based on what you wrote. What I do know is that some (not all) kids will find a way around something if they dont get their way.You mentioned that most electronics eg violent computer games are a big influence...but surely its up to the parents not to make it such an influence?
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"Times have moved on thankfully,
Why beat the little shit when u can take away tecnology games and phones, that is contributing to violence, lack of respect and stinking attitude that a good % of
Youngsters have today. I feared my farther for his fist.
My son will fear me because i have his charger
Hahaha no he wont he'll just bring home a mate's charger...or get a mate whose parents are less strict to get one for him and pay out of his own pocket money (eg £5 off ebay hahaha)
Anyway kids these days are much more clued up as to their 'rights' and what they can and cant get away with than I was as a kid born in the 70s).
Really why dose it work so well then?
O yes i niavely let him take the phone as well... Dho...
If taken at face value you could come to that conclution. But if u dint take for a fool that paid the little shit to be naughty and not doing his jobs about the house. Talking to me like crap while on his computer, well dont do it agen boy...lol no i dont think so. Get your shit of my tv and go read a book. You know were to put the phone, with the charger mate .
No idea how you are as a parent so yes am taking you at face value based on what you wrote. What I do know is that some (not all) kids will find a way around something if they dont get their way.You mentioned that most electronics eg violent computer games are a big influence...but surely its up to the parents not to make it such an influence?
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Absolutely agree with that. Outside influences only effect a child if the parents let it. Obviously age appropriate is a consideration but kids developed at different rates and in different ways. |
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"No, it is abit extreme but as some pupils nowdays have lost the respect for the teachers, how can a teacher disipline them and get order in a class room without getting reported? What is your experience if you are a teacher?
I'll put it very very simple if a teacher put hands on my kids cane or not the school would have to look for a new teacher cos I'll put the teacher in a way they couldn't physically work again simples and I'm sure that's the same for most parents"
Excellent well done you and a great example you’d be setting to your child . What happens if your child has assaulted that teacher and the teacher has had to restrain them ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Times have moved on thankfully,
Why beat the little shit when u can take away tecnology games and phones, that is contributing to violence, lack of respect and stinking attitude that a good % of
Youngsters have today. I feared my farther for his fist.
My son will fear me because i have his charger
Hahaha no he wont he'll just bring home a mate's charger...or get a mate whose parents are less strict to get one for him and pay out of his own pocket money (eg £5 off ebay hahaha)
Anyway kids these days are much more clued up as to their 'rights' and what they can and cant get away with than I was as a kid born in the 70s).
Really why dose it work so well then?
O yes i niavely let him take the phone as well... Dho...
If taken at face value you could come to that conclution. But if u dint take for a fool that paid the little shit to be naughty and not doing his jobs about the house. Talking to me like crap while on his computer, well dont do it agen boy...lol no i dont think so. Get your shit of my tv and go read a book. You know were to put the phone, with the charger mate .
No idea how you are as a parent so yes am taking you at face value based on what you wrote. What I do know is that some (not all) kids will find a way around something if they dont get their way.You mentioned that most electronics eg violent computer games are a big influence...but surely its up to the parents not to make it such an influence?
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Its not just the games, i dont even listen to the news with him around. If its not about his unsure futer( brexit dare i say)
Its fucking n##ces,then exstreamist
From all religions killing each other, then nife crime and gang beatings then the footy results after a pick me up story. So i put corrie on so we can chill together...o no turn that off same as watching the news
Cheats and murders every were.
It comes from all fronts even teenage mutant nija turtles lol vicous they are ruthless almost.
So to instill respect and right from wrong there are so many considerations that can influance
And undermine the best of parents.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"No the meter ruler is best I had that across my hands didn’t make any difference I was still a little coont "
Know the feeling of the ruler came slipper etc did work a bit but was still as above a count as had punishment most weeks... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"No, it is abit extreme but as some pupils nowdays have lost the respect for the teachers, how can a teacher disipline them and get order in a class room without getting reported? What is your experience if you are a teacher?
I'll put it very very simple if a teacher put hands on my kids cane or not the school would have to look for a new teacher cos I'll put the teacher in a way they couldn't physically work again simples and I'm sure that's the same for most parents"
They should put this on recruitment adverts for teachers. And pay them 10 times as much to put up with this kind of attitude  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Parenting in some ways seems such a battleground. Wonder why it has become this way, people seem much more feeble nowadays in setting acceptable boundaries for their kids even their pets. We seem to have lost simple common sense.
Mine children are angelic of course. |
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"As a teaching assistant in a home counties Primary school, my wife was physically assaulted and racially abused every day.
Where does a kid learn that's OK...? "
Parents allowing, that attitude and not stopping it.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"No, it is abit extreme but as some pupils nowdays have lost the respect for the teachers, how can a teacher disipline them and get order in a class room without getting reported? What is your experience if you are a teacher?
I'll put it very very simple if a teacher put hands on my kids cane or not the school would have to look for a new teacher cos I'll put the teacher in a way they couldn't physically work again simples and I'm sure that's the same for most parents"
Actually, it's not |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Times have moved on thankfully,
Why beat the little shit when u can take away tecnology games and phones, that is contributing to violence, lack of respect and stinking attitude that a good % of
Youngsters have today. I feared my farther for his fist.
My son will fear me because i have his charger "
This is the MAIN problem. Children no longer fear those in authority. You feared your fathers fist, which is in effect, pain what u feared, something which can last between a few minutes to a few days.
Your choice of discipline is removal of his charger? If you had a choice to receive a beating or someone take your charger for the day because you, for example, put your hand up a woman’s squirt, which one would you choose?? You’d happily give them your charger and walk away thinking how easy that was. FEAR is the only thing which keeps children in check. Not reward and recover. |
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"Times have moved on thankfully,
Why beat the little shit when u can take away tecnology games and phones, that is contributing to violence, lack of respect and stinking attitude that a good % of
Youngsters have today. I feared my farther for his fist.
My son will fear me because i have his charger
This is the MAIN problem. Children no longer fear those in authority. You feared your fathers fist, which is in effect, pain what u feared, something which can last between a few minutes to a few days.
Your choice of discipline is removal of his charger? If you had a choice to receive a beating or someone take your charger for the day because you, for example, put your hand up a woman’s squirt, which one would you choose?? You’d happily give them your charger and walk away thinking how easy that was. FEAR is the only thing which keeps children in check. Not reward and recover. "
I don't know about you, but I managed to bring up two kids without once hitting them and without having them scared of me and they have never engaged in criminal activity. |
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I've had 6 of the best on more than one occasion at Boarding School, and it turned me into the lunatic that I am today 
Seriously though, I don't know how inflicting any form of violence on any child is going to help them see the error of their ways. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Times have moved on thankfully,
Why beat the little shit when u can take away tecnology games and phones, that is contributing to violence, lack of respect and stinking attitude that a good % of
Youngsters have today. I feared my farther for his fist.
My son will fear me because i have his charger
This is the MAIN problem. Children no longer fear those in authority. You feared your fathers fist, which is in effect, pain what u feared, something which can last between a few minutes to a few days.
Your choice of discipline is removal of his charger? If you had a choice to receive a beating or someone take your charger for the day because you, for example, put your hand up a woman’s squirt, which one would you choose?? You’d happily give them your charger and walk away thinking how easy that was. FEAR is the only thing which keeps children in check. Not reward and recover. "
You're not a fan of super nanny techniques then? |
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"No, it is abit extreme but as some pupils nowdays have lost the respect for the teachers, how can a teacher disipline them and get order in a class room without getting reported? What is your experience if you are a teacher?
I'll put it very very simple if a teacher put hands on my kids cane or not the school would have to look for a new teacher cos I'll put the teacher in a way they couldn't physically work again simples and I'm sure that's the same for most parents"
Again, part of the problem. Your child will know they have you wrapped around your finger and will spin you a sob story to get u to back their case. I remember my mother giving permission to whoever’s supervision I was under that if I misbehave they have permission to chastise me. Which would act as a deterrent to misbehave. Just think, if you told your child you’d given permission to teachers to chastise, how much better behaved they’d be in school |
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"Times have moved on thankfully,
Why beat the little shit when u can take away tecnology games and phones, that is contributing to violence, lack of respect and stinking attitude that a good % of
Youngsters have today. I feared my farther for his fist.
My son will fear me because i have his charger
This is the MAIN problem. Children no longer fear those in authority. You feared your fathers fist, which is in effect, pain what u feared, something which can last between a few minutes to a few days.
Your choice of discipline is removal of his charger? If you had a choice to receive a beating or someone take your charger for the day because you, for example, put your hand up a woman’s squirt, which one would you choose?? You’d happily give them your charger and walk away thinking how easy that was. FEAR is the only thing which keeps children in check. Not reward and recover. "
Should we all grow up learning to be fearful of things though?
I believe there has to be some sort of order but not through fear. You should want to do things because doing so makes you feel good about yourself . |
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"Times have moved on thankfully,
Why beat the little shit when u can take away tecnology games and phones, that is contributing to violence, lack of respect and stinking attitude that a good % of
Youngsters have today. I feared my farther for his fist.
My son will fear me because i have his charger
This is the MAIN problem. Children no longer fear those in authority. You feared your fathers fist, which is in effect, pain what u feared, something which can last between a few minutes to a few days.
Your choice of discipline is removal of his charger? If you had a choice to receive a beating or someone take your charger for the day because you, for example, put your hand up a woman’s squirt, which one would you choose?? You’d happily give them your charger and walk away thinking how easy that was. FEAR is the only thing which keeps children in check. Not reward and recover.
Should we all grow up learning to be fearful of things though?
I believe there has to be some sort of order but not through fear. You should want to do things because doing so makes you feel good about yourself ."
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"No, it is abit extreme but as some pupils nowdays have lost the respect for the teachers, how can a teacher disipline them and get order in a class room without getting reported? What is your experience if you are a teacher?
I'll put it very very simple if a teacher put hands on my kids cane or not the school would have to look for a new teacher cos I'll put the teacher in a way they couldn't physically work again simples and I'm sure that's the same for most parents"
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"No, it is abit extreme but as some pupils nowdays have lost the respect for the teachers, how can a teacher disipline them and get order in a class room without getting reported? What is your experience if you are a teacher?
I'll put it very very simple if a teacher put hands on my kids cane or not the school would have to look for a new teacher cos I'll put the teacher in a way they couldn't physically work again simples and I'm sure that's the same for most parents"
No.. don't think as a parent if it was still allowed I would go beat the teacher. I didn't go to school till after it was phased out but had slightly older friends that had been caned or rulered
I got slippered or a belt at home if required and did me no harm. But these days it's already to far. I remember getting a clip round the ear for cheek by a local beat Bobby too.
Now a days you can't even tell the little dears they are naughty
Oh and I don't think they should bring back the cane...just because life has changed to much |
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Because it worked so well last time that they banned it?
Cracks me up there are still people out there that think we'd be better off if adults were legally allowed to best their kids, police were legally allowed to beat whoever they want up for any reason they feel like, the government should be allowed to kill people if they commit a crime and that as a country we should be able to go and kill as many foreigners as we like... And that somehow the more this happens, the better life will get? Insane. |
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"Times have moved on thankfully,
Why beat the little shit when u can take away tecnology games and phones, that is contributing to violence, lack of respect and stinking attitude that a good % of
Youngsters have today. I feared my farther for his fist.
My son will fear me because i have his charger
This is the MAIN problem. Children no longer fear those in authority. You feared your fathers fist, which is in effect, pain what u feared, something which can last between a few minutes to a few days.
Your choice of discipline is removal of his charger? If you had a choice to receive a beating or someone take your charger for the day because you, for example, put your hand up a woman’s squirt, which one would you choose?? You’d happily give them your charger and walk away thinking how easy that was. FEAR is the only thing which keeps children in check. Not reward and recover.
I don't know about you, but I managed to bring up two kids without once hitting them and without having them scared of me and they have never engaged in criminal activity. "
Speak for yourself. Like you, I’d not once laid a finger on my son. Would sit with him for hours discussing issues. Would take phone and PlayStation away, would ground him. Then one day, he decided to go to burton on Trent to sell drugs for an older gang member. We only got him back five days later because police raided the house. Since giving him his first beating his behaviour and attitude changed. He showed much more respect towards his mother and is much better behaved. Why, because he fears the pain I’m capable of inflicting on him, not because he’s afraid his electronics will be confiscated |
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Teaching children that I can hit you cos I am bigger than you?
Yeah- that works.
I have lost my temper and smacked my child, and I have appologised afterwards. It's not the smart choice.
There are plenty of ways of encouraging good behaviour without losing control.
Respect starts in the home. If they dont have respect there, it feeds through to school and then it becomes a problem. Precious parents who think their child can do no wrong don't help. |
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"No, it is abit extreme but as some pupils nowdays have lost the respect for the teachers, how can a teacher disipline them and get order in a class room without getting reported? What is your experience if you are a teacher?"
Yes, Cane the disrespectable little shits or FINE the parents. |
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"Times have moved on thankfully,
Why beat the little shit when u can take away tecnology games and phones, that is contributing to violence, lack of respect and stinking attitude that a good % of
Youngsters have today. I feared my farther for his fist.
My son will fear me because i have his charger
This is the MAIN problem. Children no longer fear those in authority. You feared your fathers fist, which is in effect, pain what u feared, something which can last between a few minutes to a few days.
Your choice of discipline is removal of his charger? If you had a choice to receive a beating or someone take your charger for the day because you, for example, put your hand up a woman’s squirt, which one would you choose?? You’d happily give them your charger and walk away thinking how easy that was. FEAR is the only thing which keeps children in check. Not reward and recover.
I don't know about you, but I managed to bring up two kids without once hitting them and without having them scared of me and they have never engaged in criminal activity.
Speak for yourself. Like you, I’d not once laid a finger on my son. Would sit with him for hours discussing issues. Would take phone and PlayStation away, would ground him. Then one day, he decided to go to burton on Trent to sell drugs for an older gang member. We only got him back five days later because police raided the house. Since giving him his first beating his behaviour and attitude changed. He showed much more respect towards his mother and is much better behaved. Why, because he fears the pain I’m capable of inflicting on him, not because he’s afraid his electronics will be confiscated "
Don't be surprised if it turns out he's plotting his revenge on you |
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"Times have moved on thankfully,
Why beat the little shit when u can take away tecnology games and phones, that is contributing to violence, lack of respect and stinking attitude that a good % of
Youngsters have today. I feared my farther for his fist.
My son will fear me because i have his charger
This is the MAIN problem. Children no longer fear those in authority. You feared your fathers fist, which is in effect, pain what u feared, something which can last between a few minutes to a few days.
Your choice of discipline is removal of his charger? If you had a choice to receive a beating or someone take your charger for the day because you, for example, put your hand up a woman’s squirt, which one would you choose?? You’d happily give them your charger and walk away thinking how easy that was. FEAR is the only thing which keeps children in check. Not reward and recover.
Should we all grow up learning to be fearful of things though?
I believe there has to be some sort of order but not through fear. You should want to do things because doing so makes you feel good about yourself .
I can't think of anything worse for a child than being in continual fear his dad might thump him "
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"Because it worked so well last time that they banned it?
Cracks me up there are still people out there that think we'd be better off if adults were legally allowed to best their kids, police were legally allowed to beat whoever they want up for any reason they feel like, the government should be allowed to kill people if they commit a crime and that as a country we should be able to go and kill as many foreigners as we like... And that somehow the more this happens, the better life will get? Insane. "
They banned it because of hippy politically correct people complaining. What evidence do you have to say “it didn’t work”? It sure as hell did! Then children were seen and not heard and were in no way equal to their adult counterparts. |
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"Times have moved on thankfully,
Why beat the little shit when u can take away tecnology games and phones, that is contributing to violence, lack of respect and stinking attitude that a good % of
Youngsters have today. I feared my farther for his fist.
My son will fear me because i have his charger
This is the MAIN problem. Children no longer fear those in authority. You feared your fathers fist, which is in effect, pain what u feared, something which can last between a few minutes to a few days.
Your choice of discipline is removal of his charger? If you had a choice to receive a beating or someone take your charger for the day because you, for example, put your hand up a woman’s squirt, which one would you choose?? You’d happily give them your charger and walk away thinking how easy that was. FEAR is the only thing which keeps children in check. Not reward and recover.
I don't know about you, but I managed to bring up two kids without once hitting them and without having them scared of me and they have never engaged in criminal activity.
Speak for yourself. Like you, I’d not once laid a finger on my son. Would sit with him for hours discussing issues. Would take phone and PlayStation away, would ground him. Then one day, he decided to go to burton on Trent to sell drugs for an older gang member. We only got him back five days later because police raided the house. Since giving him his first beating his behaviour and attitude changed. He showed much more respect towards his mother and is much better behaved. Why, because he fears the pain I’m capable of inflicting on him, not because he’s afraid his electronics will be confiscated "
So then all he'll do is just keep running away to escape the fear of you? Nice. |
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"Times have moved on thankfully,
Why beat the little shit when u can take away tecnology games and phones, that is contributing to violence, lack of respect and stinking attitude that a good % of
Youngsters have today. I feared my farther for his fist.
My son will fear me because i have his charger
This is the MAIN problem. Children no longer fear those in authority. You feared your fathers fist, which is in effect, pain what u feared, something which can last between a few minutes to a few days.
Your choice of discipline is removal of his charger? If you had a choice to receive a beating or someone take your charger for the day because you, for example, put your hand up a woman’s squirt, which one would you choose?? You’d happily give them your charger and walk away thinking how easy that was. FEAR is the only thing which keeps children in check. Not reward and recover.
Should we all grow up learning to be fearful of things though?
I believe there has to be some sort of order but not through fear. You should want to do things because doing so makes you feel good about yourself .
I can't think of anything worse for a child than being in continual fear his dad might thump him
A soul sapping experience I should think. "
What’s the reason you don’t commit crime?? For fear of being arrested and imprisoned, I’d hope. Should we create little cells at the bottom of our garden to put them in for a few weeks when they misbehave?? |
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"Times have moved on thankfully,
Why beat the little shit when u can take away tecnology games and phones, that is contributing to violence, lack of respect and stinking attitude that a good % of
Youngsters have today. I feared my farther for his fist.
My son will fear me because i have his charger
This is the MAIN problem. Children no longer fear those in authority. You feared your fathers fist, which is in effect, pain what u feared, something which can last between a few minutes to a few days.
Your choice of discipline is removal of his charger? If you had a choice to receive a beating or someone take your charger for the day because you, for example, put your hand up a woman’s squirt, which one would you choose?? You’d happily give them your charger and walk away thinking how easy that was. FEAR is the only thing which keeps children in check. Not reward and recover.
I don't know about you, but I managed to bring up two kids without once hitting them and without having them scared of me and they have never engaged in criminal activity.
Speak for yourself. Like you, I’d not once laid a finger on my son. Would sit with him for hours discussing issues. Would take phone and PlayStation away, would ground him. Then one day, he decided to go to burton on Trent to sell drugs for an older gang member. We only got him back five days later because police raided the house. Since giving him his first beating his behaviour and attitude changed. He showed much more respect towards his mother and is much better behaved. Why, because he fears the pain I’m capable of inflicting on him, not because he’s afraid his electronics will be confiscated
So then all he'll do is just keep running away to escape the fear of you? Nice."
He didn’t run away to “escape the fear” of me in the first place, he ran away cos he wants to be in a gang to make loads of money and have respect. Please do tell how you’d deal with said scenario |
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"Times have moved on thankfully,
Why beat the little shit when u can take away tecnology games and phones, that is contributing to violence, lack of respect and stinking attitude that a good % of
Youngsters have today. I feared my farther for his fist.
My son will fear me because i have his charger
This is the MAIN problem. Children no longer fear those in authority. You feared your fathers fist, which is in effect, pain what u feared, something which can last between a few minutes to a few days.
Your choice of discipline is removal of his charger? If you had a choice to receive a beating or someone take your charger for the day because you, for example, put your hand up a woman’s squirt, which one would you choose?? You’d happily give them your charger and walk away thinking how easy that was. FEAR is the only thing which keeps children in check. Not reward and recover.
I don't know about you, but I managed to bring up two kids without once hitting them and without having them scared of me and they have never engaged in criminal activity.
Speak for yourself. Like you, I’d not once laid a finger on my son. Would sit with him for hours discussing issues. Would take phone and PlayStation away, would ground him. Then one day, he decided to go to burton on Trent to sell drugs for an older gang member. We only got him back five days later because police raided the house. Since giving him his first beating his behaviour and attitude changed. He showed much more respect towards his mother and is much better behaved. Why, because he fears the pain I’m capable of inflicting on him, not because he’s afraid his electronics will be confiscated "
You do realise that only "" reasonable chastisement" is legal and that giving a child a "beating" is illegal.
If your child thinks to contact the nspcc or the police you're going down. |
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"Times have moved on thankfully,
Why beat the little shit when u can take away tecnology games and phones, that is contributing to violence, lack of respect and stinking attitude that a good % of
Youngsters have today. I feared my farther for his fist.
My son will fear me because i have his charger
This is the MAIN problem. Children no longer fear those in authority. You feared your fathers fist, which is in effect, pain what u feared, something which can last between a few minutes to a few days.
Your choice of discipline is removal of his charger? If you had a choice to receive a beating or someone take your charger for the day because you, for example, put your hand up a woman’s squirt, which one would you choose?? You’d happily give them your charger and walk away thinking how easy that was. FEAR is the only thing which keeps children in check. Not reward and recover.
Should we all grow up learning to be fearful of things though?
I believe there has to be some sort of order but not through fear. You should want to do things because doing so makes you feel good about yourself .
I can't think of anything worse for a child than being in continual fear his dad might thump him
A soul sapping experience I should think.
What’s the reason you don’t commit crime?? For fear of being arrested and imprisoned, I’d hope. Should we create little cells at the bottom of our garden to put them in for a few weeks when they misbehave??"
No, because I have values and dont feel a need to commit a crime?
I dont not want to rob people because I dont want to go to prison it is because I realise to rob is wrong. Easy really. |
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"Times have moved on thankfully,
Why beat the little shit when u can take away tecnology games and phones, that is contributing to violence, lack of respect and stinking attitude that a good % of
Youngsters have today. I feared my farther for his fist.
My son will fear me because i have his charger
This is the MAIN problem. Children no longer fear those in authority. You feared your fathers fist, which is in effect, pain what u feared, something which can last between a few minutes to a few days.
Your choice of discipline is removal of his charger? If you had a choice to receive a beating or someone take your charger for the day because you, for example, put your hand up a woman’s squirt, which one would you choose?? You’d happily give them your charger and walk away thinking how easy that was. FEAR is the only thing which keeps children in check. Not reward and recover.
I don't know about you, but I managed to bring up two kids without once hitting them and without having them scared of me and they have never engaged in criminal activity.
Speak for yourself. Like you, I’d not once laid a finger on my son. Would sit with him for hours discussing issues. Would take phone and PlayStation away, would ground him. Then one day, he decided to go to burton on Trent to sell drugs for an older gang member. We only got him back five days later because police raided the house. Since giving him his first beating his behaviour and attitude changed. He showed much more respect towards his mother and is much better behaved. Why, because he fears the pain I’m capable of inflicting on him, not because he’s afraid his electronics will be confiscated
So then all he'll do is just keep running away to escape the fear of you? Nice.
He didn’t run away to “escape the fear” of me in the first place, he ran away cos he wants to be in a gang to make loads of money and have respect. Please do tell how you’d deal with said scenario"
Don't you feel Like a failure as a parent. Your kid breaks the law and the only way you can think of stopping him doing that is to beat the shit out of him? |
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"Times have moved on thankfully,
Why beat the little shit when u can take away tecnology games and phones, that is contributing to violence, lack of respect and stinking attitude that a good % of
Youngsters have today. I feared my farther for his fist.
My son will fear me because i have his charger
This is the MAIN problem. Children no longer fear those in authority. You feared your fathers fist, which is in effect, pain what u feared, something which can last between a few minutes to a few days.
Your choice of discipline is removal of his charger? If you had a choice to receive a beating or someone take your charger for the day because you, for example, put your hand up a woman’s squirt, which one would you choose?? You’d happily give them your charger and walk away thinking how easy that was. FEAR is the only thing which keeps children in check. Not reward and recover.
I don't know about you, but I managed to bring up two kids without once hitting them and without having them scared of me and they have never engaged in criminal activity.
Speak for yourself. Like you, I’d not once laid a finger on my son. Would sit with him for hours discussing issues. Would take phone and PlayStation away, would ground him. Then one day, he decided to go to burton on Trent to sell drugs for an older gang member. We only got him back five days later because police raided the house. Since giving him his first beating his behaviour and attitude changed. He showed much more respect towards his mother and is much better behaved. Why, because he fears the pain I’m capable of inflicting on him, not because he’s afraid his electronics will be confiscated
So then all he'll do is just keep running away to escape the fear of you? Nice.
He didn’t run away to “escape the fear” of me in the first place, he ran away cos he wants to be in a gang to make loads of money and have respect. Please do tell how you’d deal with said scenario"
You should have asked him what his reasons were for feeling he so needed to be in the gang and how else he could have achieved the same things. Give him the confidence in himself he obviously lacks so has to find it the 'easy' way. I dunno, what do you think? |
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"Times have moved on thankfully,
Why beat the little shit when u can take away tecnology games and phones, that is contributing to violence, lack of respect and stinking attitude that a good % of
Youngsters have today. I feared my farther for his fist.
My son will fear me because i have his charger
This is the MAIN problem. Children no longer fear those in authority. You feared your fathers fist, which is in effect, pain what u feared, something which can last between a few minutes to a few days.
Your choice of discipline is removal of his charger? If you had a choice to receive a beating or someone take your charger for the day because you, for example, put your hand up a woman’s squirt, which one would you choose?? You’d happily give them your charger and walk away thinking how easy that was. FEAR is the only thing which keeps children in check. Not reward and recover.
I don't know about you, but I managed to bring up two kids without once hitting them and without having them scared of me and they have never engaged in criminal activity.
Speak for yourself. Like you, I’d not once laid a finger on my son. Would sit with him for hours discussing issues. Would take phone and PlayStation away, would ground him. Then one day, he decided to go to burton on Trent to sell drugs for an older gang member. We only got him back five days later because police raided the house. Since giving him his first beating his behaviour and attitude changed. He showed much more respect towards his mother and is much better behaved. Why, because he fears the pain I’m capable of inflicting on him, not because he’s afraid his electronics will be confiscated
Don't be surprised if it turns out he's plotting his revenge on you"
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"Times have moved on thankfully,
Why beat the little shit when u can take away tecnology games and phones, that is contributing to violence, lack of respect and stinking attitude that a good % of
Youngsters have today. I feared my farther for his fist.
My son will fear me because i have his charger
This is the MAIN problem. Children no longer fear those in authority. You feared your fathers fist, which is in effect, pain what u feared, something which can last between a few minutes to a few days.
Your choice of discipline is removal of his charger? If you had a choice to receive a beating or someone take your charger for the day because you, for example, put your hand up a woman’s squirt, which one would you choose?? You’d happily give them your charger and walk away thinking how easy that was. FEAR is the only thing which keeps children in check. Not reward and recover.
I don't know about you, but I managed to bring up two kids without once hitting them and without having them scared of me and they have never engaged in criminal activity.
Speak for yourself. Like you, I’d not once laid a finger on my son. Would sit with him for hours discussing issues. Would take phone and PlayStation away, would ground him. Then one day, he decided to go to burton on Trent to sell drugs for an older gang member. We only got him back five days later because police raided the house. Since giving him his first beating his behaviour and attitude changed. He showed much more respect towards his mother and is much better behaved. Why, because he fears the pain I’m capable of inflicting on him, not because he’s afraid his electronics will be confiscated
Don't be surprised if it turns out he's plotting his revenge on you
Would you plot some form of revenge on YOUR parents if they struck you? STFU"
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"Times have moved on thankfully,
Why beat the little shit when u can take away tecnology games and phones, that is contributing to violence, lack of respect and stinking attitude that a good % of
Youngsters have today. I feared my farther for his fist.
My son will fear me because i have his charger
This is the MAIN problem. Children no longer fear those in authority. You feared your fathers fist, which is in effect, pain what u feared, something which can last between a few minutes to a few days.
Your choice of discipline is removal of his charger? If you had a choice to receive a beating or someone take your charger for the day because you, for example, put your hand up a woman’s squirt, which one would you choose?? You’d happily give them your charger and walk away thinking how easy that was. FEAR is the only thing which keeps children in check. Not reward and recover.
Should we all grow up learning to be fearful of things though?
I believe there has to be some sort of order but not through fear. You should want to do things because doing so makes you feel good about yourself .
I can't think of anything worse for a child than being in continual fear his dad might thump him
A soul sapping experience I should think.
What’s the reason you don’t commit crime?? For fear of being arrested and imprisoned, I’d hope. Should we create little cells at the bottom of our garden to put them in for a few weeks when they misbehave??
No, because I have values and dont feel a need to commit a crime?
I dont not want to rob people because I dont want to go to prison it is because I realise to rob is wrong. Easy really. "
That’s robbery, one offence. Would you keep your decorum if someone was being isultive to your wife whilst you were out, pinching her bum? |
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"Times have moved on thankfully,
Why beat the little shit when u can take away tecnology games and phones, that is contributing to violence, lack of respect and stinking attitude that a good % of
Youngsters have today. I feared my farther for his fist.
My son will fear me because i have his charger
This is the MAIN problem. Children no longer fear those in authority. You feared your fathers fist, which is in effect, pain what u feared, something which can last between a few minutes to a few days.
Your choice of discipline is removal of his charger? If you had a choice to receive a beating or someone take your charger for the day because you, for example, put your hand up a woman’s squirt, which one would you choose?? You’d happily give them your charger and walk away thinking how easy that was. FEAR is the only thing which keeps children in check. Not reward and recover.
Should we all grow up learning to be fearful of things though?
I believe there has to be some sort of order but not through fear. You should want to do things because doing so makes you feel good about yourself .
I can't think of anything worse for a child than being in continual fear his dad might thump him
A soul sapping experience I should think.
What’s the reason you don’t commit crime?? For fear of being arrested and imprisoned, I’d hope. Should we create little cells at the bottom of our garden to put them in for a few weeks when they misbehave??
No, because I have values and dont feel a need to commit a crime?
I dont not want to rob people because I dont want to go to prison it is because I realise to rob is wrong. Easy really.
That’s robbery, one offence. Would you keep your decorum if someone was being isultive to your wife whilst you were out, pinching her bum? "
My wife would love it. I know right from wrong in an awful lot of situations yes. |
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"Times have moved on thankfully,
Why beat the little shit when u can take away tecnology games and phones, that is contributing to violence, lack of respect and stinking attitude that a good % of
Youngsters have today. I feared my farther for his fist.
My son will fear me because i have his charger
This is the MAIN problem. Children no longer fear those in authority. You feared your fathers fist, which is in effect, pain what u feared, something which can last between a few minutes to a few days.
Your choice of discipline is removal of his charger? If you had a choice to receive a beating or someone take your charger for the day because you, for example, put your hand up a woman’s squirt, which one would you choose?? You’d happily give them your charger and walk away thinking how easy that was. FEAR is the only thing which keeps children in check. Not reward and recover.
Should we all grow up learning to be fearful of things though?
I believe there has to be some sort of order but not through fear. You should want to do things because doing so makes you feel good about yourself .
I can't think of anything worse for a child than being in continual fear his dad might thump him
A soul sapping experience I should think.
What’s the reason you don’t commit crime?? For fear of being arrested and imprisoned, I’d hope. Should we create little cells at the bottom of our garden to put them in for a few weeks when they misbehave??
No, because I have values and dont feel a need to commit a crime?
I dont not want to rob people because I dont want to go to prison it is because I realise to rob is wrong. Easy really.
That’s robbery, one offence. Would you keep your decorum if someone was being isultive to your wife whilst you were out, pinching her bum? "
Astonishing as it may seem to you not everyone feels that extreme violence is the automatic response to someone displeasing you.
If someone assaulted my partner in the way you suggested, I'd get the police involved. |
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"Times have moved on thankfully,
Why beat the little shit when u can take away tecnology games and phones, that is contributing to violence, lack of respect and stinking attitude that a good % of
Youngsters have today. I feared my farther for his fist.
My son will fear me because i have his charger
This is the MAIN problem. Children no longer fear those in authority. You feared your fathers fist, which is in effect, pain what u feared, something which can last between a few minutes to a few days.
Your choice of discipline is removal of his charger? If you had a choice to receive a beating or someone take your charger for the day because you, for example, put your hand up a woman’s squirt, which one would you choose?? You’d happily give them your charger and walk away thinking how easy that was. FEAR is the only thing which keeps children in check. Not reward and recover.
I don't know about you, but I managed to bring up two kids without once hitting them and without having them scared of me and they have never engaged in criminal activity.
Speak for yourself. Like you, I’d not once laid a finger on my son. Would sit with him for hours discussing issues. Would take phone and PlayStation away, would ground him. Then one day, he decided to go to burton on Trent to sell drugs for an older gang member. We only got him back five days later because police raided the house. Since giving him his first beating his behaviour and attitude changed. He showed much more respect towards his mother and is much better behaved. Why, because he fears the pain I’m capable of inflicting on him, not because he’s afraid his electronics will be confiscated
So then all he'll do is just keep running away to escape the fear of you? Nice.
He didn’t run away to “escape the fear” of me in the first place, he ran away cos he wants to be in a gang to make loads of money and have respect. Please do tell how you’d deal with said scenario
You should have asked him what his reasons were for feeling he so needed to be in the gang and how else he could have achieved the same things. Give him the confidence in himself he obviously lacks so has to find it the 'easy' way. I dunno, what do you think? "
Of course I’ve spojen to him. I didn’t just turn violent and switch. We had a lengthy discussion and I explained what his punishment would be. As a 13 year old, he believed he should have money and status. I don’t blame social media, but it plays a big part in influencing young kids into thinking about the type of lifestyle they THINK they should be living. |
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I never had the cane, I had a bunch of keys thrown at my head.
I dont think that the cane should be brought back but something needs to happen teachers need more power.
Kids these days I'm not scared of anybody not the parents not the teachers not even the police.
My children live in a split household 50/50 and it's really hard for me when I try and teach them right and wrong and show them the right way when their Dad thinks it's ok to speak to anyone in authority like shit and use your fists to solve your problems |
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"Times have moved on thankfully,
Why beat the little shit when u can take away tecnology games and phones, that is contributing to violence, lack of respect and stinking attitude that a good % of
Youngsters have today. I feared my farther for his fist.
My son will fear me because i have his charger
This is the MAIN problem. Children no longer fear those in authority. You feared your fathers fist, which is in effect, pain what u feared, something which can last between a few minutes to a few days.
Your choice of discipline is removal of his charger? If you had a choice to receive a beating or someone take your charger for the day because you, for example, put your hand up a woman’s squirt, which one would you choose?? You’d happily give them your charger and walk away thinking how easy that was. FEAR is the only thing which keeps children in check. Not reward and recover.
Should we all grow up learning to be fearful of things though?
I believe there has to be some sort of order but not through fear. You should want to do things because doing so makes you feel good about yourself .
I can't think of anything worse for a child than being in continual fear his dad might thump him
A soul sapping experience I should think.
What’s the reason you don’t commit crime?? For fear of being arrested and imprisoned, I’d hope. Should we create little cells at the bottom of our garden to put them in for a few weeks when they misbehave??
No, because I have values and dont feel a need to commit a crime?
I dont not want to rob people because I dont want to go to prison it is because I realise to rob is wrong. Easy really.
That’s robbery, one offence. Would you keep your decorum if someone was being isultive to your wife whilst you were out, pinching her bum?
Astonishing as it may seem to you not everyone feels that extreme violence is the automatic response to someone displeasing you.
If someone assaulted my partner in the way you suggested, I'd get the police involved. "
Good luck with that mate. A random passer by touches your wife’s bum and you’re gonna freeze on the spot to call police whilst he disappears?! Do you really think they’re gonna go looking for this guy?? |
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Of course I’ve spojen to him. I didn’t just turn violent and switch. We had a lengthy discussion and I explained what his punishment would be. As a 13 year old, he believed he should have money and status. I don’t blame social media, but it plays a big part in influencing young kids into thinking about the type of lifestyle they THINK they should be living. "
It's more worrying that you waited until you were calm until you battered him |
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"Times have moved on thankfully,
Why beat the little shit when u can take away tecnology games and phones, that is contributing to violence, lack of respect and stinking attitude that a good % of
Youngsters have today. I feared my farther for his fist.
My son will fear me because i have his charger
This is the MAIN problem. Children no longer fear those in authority. You feared your fathers fist, which is in effect, pain what u feared, something which can last between a few minutes to a few days.
Your choice of discipline is removal of his charger? If you had a choice to receive a beating or someone take your charger for the day because you, for example, put your hand up a woman’s squirt, which one would you choose?? You’d happily give them your charger and walk away thinking how easy that was. FEAR is the only thing which keeps children in check. Not reward and recover.
Should we all grow up learning to be fearful of things though?
I believe there has to be some sort of order but not through fear. You should want to do things because doing so makes you feel good about yourself .
I can't think of anything worse for a child than being in continual fear his dad might thump him
A soul sapping experience I should think.
What’s the reason you don’t commit crime?? For fear of being arrested and imprisoned, I’d hope. Should we create little cells at the bottom of our garden to put them in for a few weeks when they misbehave??
No, because I have values and dont feel a need to commit a crime?
I dont not want to rob people because I dont want to go to prison it is because I realise to rob is wrong. Easy really.
That’s robbery, one offence. Would you keep your decorum if someone was being isultive to your wife whilst you were out, pinching her bum?
Astonishing as it may seem to you not everyone feels that extreme violence is the automatic response to someone displeasing you.
If someone assaulted my partner in the way you suggested, I'd get the police involved.
Good luck with that mate. A random passer by touches your wife’s bum and you’re gonna freeze on the spot to call police whilst he disappears?! Do you really think they’re gonna go looking for this guy??"
So you reckon I do what?
Thump the guy and get arrested myself? Sounds like a plan. |
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Of course I’ve spojen to him. I didn’t just turn violent and switch. We had a lengthy discussion and I explained what his punishment would be. As a 13 year old, he believed he should have money and status. I don’t blame social media, but it plays a big part in influencing young kids into thinking about the type of lifestyle they THINK they should be living.
It's more worrying that you waited until you were calm until you battered him"
Indeed. I mean a 13 year old who got involved in crime and was arrested and locked in a police cell for the first time, needs exactly that from his dad. A good beating. |
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"Times have moved on thankfully,
Why beat the little shit when u can take away tecnology games and phones, that is contributing to violence, lack of respect and stinking attitude that a good % of
Youngsters have today. I feared my farther for his fist.
My son will fear me because i have his charger
This is the MAIN problem. Children no longer fear those in authority. You feared your fathers fist, which is in effect, pain what u feared, something which can last between a few minutes to a few days.
Your choice of discipline is removal of his charger? If you had a choice to receive a beating or someone take your charger for the day because you, for example, put your hand up a woman’s squirt, which one would you choose?? You’d happily give them your charger and walk away thinking how easy that was. FEAR is the only thing which keeps children in check. Not reward and recover.
I don't know about you, but I managed to bring up two kids without once hitting them and without having them scared of me and they have never engaged in criminal activity.
Speak for yourself. Like you, I’d not once laid a finger on my son. Would sit with him for hours discussing issues. Would take phone and PlayStation away, would ground him. Then one day, he decided to go to burton on Trent to sell drugs for an older gang member. We only got him back five days later because police raided the house. Since giving him his first beating his behaviour and attitude changed. He showed much more respect towards his mother and is much better behaved. Why, because he fears the pain I’m capable of inflicting on him, not because he’s afraid his electronics will be confiscated
So then all he'll do is just keep running away to escape the fear of you? Nice.
He didn’t run away to “escape the fear” of me in the first place, he ran away cos he wants to be in a gang to make loads of money and have respect. Please do tell how you’d deal with said scenario
You should have asked him what his reasons were for feeling he so needed to be in the gang and how else he could have achieved the same things. Give him the confidence in himself he obviously lacks so has to find it the 'easy' way. I dunno, what do you think?
Of course I’ve spojen to him. I didn’t just turn violent and switch. We had a lengthy discussion and I explained what his punishment would be. As a 13 year old, he believed he should have money and status. I don’t blame social media, but it plays a big part in influencing young kids into thinking about the type of lifestyle they THINK they should be living. "
So as parents then we have to work that bit harder to show them another way.
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"Apparently Ian Brady got caned as did Fred West and look how they turned out. "
Really ? Hardly good examples of why not to cane !!!!! What about all the other factors that shaped those two very sick bastards ? |
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What a strange thing to bring up on an open forum. What kind of question is that. Of course it's not alright. Caning bloody hurts. Believe you me I know |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
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I heard about somewhere fining parents if their child was disruptive/a bully or their behaviour was repeatedly bad. I think this is a great idea as parents need to take back some of the responsibility for their children. |
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"Apparently Ian Brady got caned as did Fred West and look how they turned out. "
Fred West also went through sexual abuse at home so he played up at school and got canned...so the bucks stop with bad parenting and school shouldn't be Vilify for trying to teach and educate.
Mums and dads need to take responsibility for how their children behave at school and in general society. When you see 8yrs running around town at 1 am in the morning the question need to be asked about parental neglect. |
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"Apparently Ian Brady got caned as did Fred West and look how they turned out.
Really ? Hardly good examples of why not to cane !!!!! What about all the other factors that shaped those two very sick bastards ? "
Hitler had the cane as a child too as was Stalin they turned out ok then? |
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"Peered in ... shook my head and thought "no good is coming or will come from this thread" and walked back out again 
Agreed, I'm right behind you. Pub anyone?
Mine's a large one"
I’m joining you two! |
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A million times no
Children who are hit are more likely to be aggressive toward their peers, approve of violence in relationships, bully others, and be aggressive toward their parents.
Aggression is a reflexive response to experiencing pain. When children grow up with the understanding that violence is an appropriate way to get what you want, they'll mimic this behavior.
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"What a strange thing to bring up on an open forum. What kind of question is that. Of course it's not alright. Caning bloody hurts. Believe you me I know "
As I said earlier up the thread, but it depends on who is administrating it, I spent 10 years at Boarding School and one of my House Master's deputies used to use a black plimsoll on your bum if you made too much noise after lights out, he used to call it Bernard |
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"Apparently Ian Brady got caned as did Fred West and look how they turned out.
Really ? Hardly good examples of why not to cane !!!!! What about all the other factors that shaped those two very sick bastards ?
Hitler had the cane as a child too as was Stalin they turned out ok then?"
I surprise you never mention Jimmy Savile. |
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We don’t believe that children learn anything by using physical pain or discomfort as punishment.
Behaviour for the vast majority of kid is about nurture rather than nature. Obviously learning difficulties and GENUINE behavioural conditions are exceptions to the theory.
If they brought the cane back tomorrow the better technique might be to administer the punishment to the parents of the unruly kids?
Just a thought |
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"We don’t believe that children learn anything by using physical pain or discomfort as punishment.
Behaviour for the vast majority of kid is about nurture rather than nature. Obviously learning difficulties and GENUINE behavioural conditions are exceptions to the theory.
If they brought the cane back tomorrow the better technique might be to administer the punishment to the parents of the unruly kids?
Just a thought "
Yep I can agree with that bad parenting normally equals misbehaved kids simples |
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"Peered in ... shook my head and thought "no good is coming or will come from this thread" and walked back out again
Agreed, I'm right behind you. Pub anyone?
Mine's a large one
I’m joining you two!"
More the merrier ... hope the teacher or our parents don't catch us  |
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"Peered in ... shook my head and thought "no good is coming or will come from this thread" and walked back out again
Agreed, I'm right behind you. Pub anyone?
Mine's a large one
I’m joining you two!
More the merrier ... hope the teacher or our parents don't catch us "
Can we get 10 JPS on the way? |
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"Peered in ... shook my head and thought "no good is coming or will come from this thread" and walked back out again
Agreed, I'm right behind you. Pub anyone?
Mine's a large one
I’m joining you two!
More the merrier ... hope the teacher or our parents don't catch us
Can we get 10 JPS on the way?"
Ooo you are naughty |
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"Teaching children that I can hit you cos I am bigger than you?
Yeah- that works.
I have lost my temper and smacked my child, and I have appologised afterwards. It's not the smart choice.
There are plenty of ways of encouraging good behaviour without losing control.
Respect starts in the home. If they dont have respect there, it feeds through to school and then it becomes a problem. Precious parents who think their child can do no wrong don't help."
And this hits the nail on the head .
Parents who truly believe their little darlings are beyond reproach are the cause of the issues we face today .
I could go on for ages , the precocious little shits who have no idea how to behave because their parents put them on a pedestal and won’t have a word said against them . This gives the kids a false sense of importance and they run riot , knowing there will be no punishment or chastising as Mummy and Daddy see them as little angels .
I don’t think the cane should be reintroduced , I had it enough times and it didn’t make me behave any better . But I do think parents should be making some kind of an effort to raise their kids to mix properly in society and behave themselves at school . |
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"We don’t believe that children learn anything by using physical pain or discomfort as punishment.
Behaviour for the vast majority of kid is about nurture rather than nature. Obviously learning difficulties and GENUINE behavioural conditions are exceptions to the theory.
If they brought the cane back tomorrow the better technique might be to administer the punishment to the parents of the unruly kids?
Just a thought "
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Never.
Wouldn’t work anyways, every single teacher I’ve met in the last five years since my kids are in school has been a mid 20s, nervous, can’t look you in the eye type that couldn’t hit a space hopper with a tennis racket.
Besides which, the repercussions for the first one to hit one of my children would be enough deterrent to the rest of the worlds teaching community to never hit another child. |
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By *arrapsMan
over a year ago
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Children will push boundaries, one very effective way to chastise them is to take away their privileges.
No school trips, no playing in the football, rugby,cricket, netball et al teams.
Show them that good behaviour is rewarded.
Last year one mother kicked off because her precious little daughter was banned from attending her forms prom, it made the national press. But the school was enforcing a policy that punished bad behaviour without the need for any physical contact.
Take away their rewards and make an example of them. For what does a teenager fear most.. it’s ridicule or embarrassment. |
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"Never.
Wouldn’t work anyways, every single teacher I’ve met in the last five years since my kids are in school has been a mid 20s, nervous, can’t look you in the eye type that couldn’t hit a space hopper with a tennis racket.
Besides which, the repercussions for the first one to hit one of my children would be enough deterrent to the rest of the worlds teaching community to never hit another child."
Another fine example. Hit the teacher
How do you discipline your children ?
Do they always listen to you and do what you say, odds aren’t good on that |
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"Never.
Wouldn’t work anyways, every single teacher I’ve met in the last five years since my kids are in school has been a mid 20s, nervous, can’t look you in the eye type that couldn’t hit a space hopper with a tennis racket.
Besides which, the repercussions for the first one to hit one of my children would be enough deterrent to the rest of the worlds teaching community to never hit another child.
Another fine example. Hit the teacher
How do you discipline your children ?
Do they always listen to you and do what you say, odds aren’t good on that"
Thanks.
Who mentioned hitting the teacher?
Non of your business.
Yes they do. |
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"If you’re in an open forum be prepared to defend your opinions or I’ll cast aspersions on your parenting skills and the behaviour of your children "
FTFY.
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"Apparently Ian Brady got caned as did Fred West and look how they turned out.
Really ? Hardly good examples of why not to cane !!!!! What about all the other factors that shaped those two very sick bastards ?
Hitler had the cane as a child too as was Stalin they turned out ok then?
I surprise you never mention Jimmy Savile. "
Yeh let’s throw in Gary Glitter too .....
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"No.
Spanky bum time for you young lady 
I’m not at school, so fine.
I bet you would look quite good as a naughty schoolgirl though
Are you having fantasies there? "
Your picture does have that look about it at the moment! |
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I had the ruler what in junior school and was sent down to the headmaster for the cane.
It didn't work and I just took off from school.
I wasnt a disrespectful kid but I didnt like the way teachers who back in the day were a rule unto themselves who had little comeback and could be bullies with a bad attitude.
Theres a fine line between a bully and a disciplinarian. |
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When i was at school i got the cane, on the fourth whack i farted by mistake and then giggled... the fifth and sixth stoke were much harder... well they all hurt like fuck... still it taught me lots... im an absolute angel now |
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"So what do we do, take children away from parents who do nothing to teach their offspring the basics of decency.
Or
Do we enforce a rigid policy of no phones, no iPads, no talking, wear a school uniform.
IMHO this seems to work
I know I’m going to get flak from the do gooders,so it’s tin hat on and watch from the sidelines "
and if the kids say bollocks, I aren’t wearing uniform, I am going to run everywhere and I’m not giving you my phone ?? What then? |
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over a year ago
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It's funny how people are supporting bringing back the cane and saying things like "you reap what you sow" with no trace of irony.
Violence begets violence, and apart from a recent blip, violent crime has been falling steadily since the last half of the twentieth century.
Quite apart from that, it doesn't work, and can very much traumatised some (my father being one - belt at home, cane at school. Ran away from home at 14, found again at 16 after being arrested for sleeping rough).... |
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"So what do we do, take children away from parents who do nothing to teach their offspring the basics of decency.
Or
Do we enforce a rigid policy of no phones, no iPads, no talking, wear a school uniform.
IMHO this seems to work
I know I’m going to get flak from the do gooders,so it’s tin hat on and watch from the sidelines and if the kids say bollocks, I aren’t wearing uniform, I am going to run everywhere and I’m not giving you my phone ?? What then?
You give them a choice. Give it over or spend the day in internal exclusion. As for uniform, you have to judge it, knowing the child's background - schools are actually providing washing machine facilities for kids these days because some won't ever have them washed at home.
Failing schools can be turned around with a good behaviour policy, without ever needing to be violent. "
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"So what do we do, take children away from parents who do nothing to teach their offspring the basics of decency.
Or
Do we enforce a rigid policy of no phones, no iPads, no talking, wear a school uniform.
IMHO this seems to work
I know I’m going to get flak from the do gooders,so it’s tin hat on and watch from the sidelines and if the kids say bollocks, I aren’t wearing uniform, I am going to run everywhere and I’m not giving you my phone ?? What then?"
Detention..suspension and sadly that would only leave exclusion if all else fails.
But lets not forget support and understanding. |
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"So what do we do, take children away from parents who do nothing to teach their offspring the basics of decency.
Or
Do we enforce a rigid policy of no phones, no iPads, no talking, wear a school uniform.
IMHO this seems to work
I know I’m going to get flak from the do gooders,so it’s tin hat on and watch from the sidelines and if the kids say bollocks, I aren’t wearing uniform, I am going to run everywhere and I’m not giving you my phone ?? What then?"
If a head master enforced these rules then pupils will see that.there is a better way. It’s not going to happen overnight but will take some considerable time.... but it’s been proved to work in schools
Children need boundaries and schools can do it if they have the will, AND the backing of the majority of parents. |
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I was regularly beaten at school, the cane, the slipper, the plimsoll, the ruler, didn't make blind bit of difference to me. I remember after the Friday night beatings going back to the dormitory and then having to stand on my bed drop my Pajamas so the lads could shine their torches on my arse to the stripes from the cane, bonus if he hit twice in the same place and there was a little blood. You didn't dare blub, the lads would have crucified you, so I stood there bluffing it out, "he only tickled me" inside you're wishing the pain would stop. |
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