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"It’s always sad to see any child die, but how can Labour Party blame Sadiq Khan?? Surely this woman has made her bed and decided to commit what is basically treason... Then her husband wants to support her in Holland ( didn’t hear that initially did we? Yes her Dutch husband) Why is it always us Brit’s who are seen as the bad guys? As I said it’s sad about her child, but it’s not really our problem is it?" Why is it Sadiq khan's fault i thought the sajiv javid refused them entry back to the country. | |||
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"It’s always sad to see any child die, but how can Labour Party blame Sadiq Khan?? Surely this woman has made her bed and decided to commit what is basically treason... Then her husband wants to support her in Holland ( didn’t hear that initially did we? Yes her Dutch husband) Why is it always us Brit’s who are seen as the bad guys? As I said it’s sad about her child, but it’s not really our problem is it? Why is it Sadiq khan's fault i thought the sajiv javid refused them entry back to the country. " True my fault I always get the two of them mixed up | |||
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"This isn’t the first child she has had that ‘died’ and I question why?" Because there is no clean water or toilets or medicine in the refugee camp. No formula milk and she can't produce enough breast milk ? | |||
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"Its just horrible. No matter what she has done, losing one child must have been heartbreaking, but three must be absolutely devastating and something that will shape her mental and physical wellbeing forever. We are all quick to judge her for her actions and poor decisions, but shes still very much a child herself. I find it hard to believe shes the stone cold monster she is being portrayed as in the media. She's been exposed to some horrific living conditions, in all likelihood used to satisfy the sexual needs of an actual monster, and has nobody to turn to for comfort or support at all. Dont get me wrong, the decision to strip her of her British citizenship was right imo, and the consequences of her actions should be a stark warning to others, but the disgusting comments ive seen on other social media about her dead baby are just vile. "  | |||
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"This isn’t the first child she has had that ‘died’ and I question why? Because there is no clean water or toilets or medicine in the refugee camp. No formula milk and she can't produce enough breast milk ?" I do wonder why she kept trying for a baby in those awful conditions. | |||
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"This isn’t the first child she has had that ‘died’ and I question why? Because there is no clean water or toilets or medicine in the refugee camp. No formula milk and she can't produce enough breast milk ? I do wonder why she kept trying for a baby in those awful conditions." Maybe she wasn't trying. Will they have access to contraception. | |||
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"This isn’t the first child she has had that ‘died’ and I question why? Because there is no clean water or toilets or medicine in the refugee camp. No formula milk and she can't produce enough breast milk ? I do wonder why she kept trying for a baby in those awful conditions. Maybe she wasn't trying. Will they have access to contraception. " I meant not doing anything to stop it knowing the risk. I doubt they would have had contraception as I think the idea was to produce babies, so withdrawing or abstaining would have been the way. Sad for the babies, being born without much chance of survival. | |||
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"This isn’t the first child she has had that ‘died’ and I question why? Because there is no clean water or toilets or medicine in the refugee camp. No formula milk and she can't produce enough breast milk ? I do wonder why she kept trying for a baby in those awful conditions." How do you know she got pregnant intentionally? | |||
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"This isn’t the first child she has had that ‘died’ and I question why? Because there is no clean water or toilets or medicine in the refugee camp. No formula milk and she can't produce enough breast milk ? I do wonder why she kept trying for a baby in those awful conditions. How do you know she got pregnant intentionally?" Because she had 3 pregnancies. I doubt very much any of them were an accident. She, and many other girls, were recruited to be wives of IS fighters and, I believe, to have children. | |||
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"This isn’t the first child she has had that ‘died’ and I question why? Because there is no clean water or toilets or medicine in the refugee camp. No formula milk and she can't produce enough breast milk ? I do wonder why she kept trying for a baby in those awful conditions." I doubt free contraception is available in camps. There's free contraception here yet there are millions of "accidents". I've watched her on tv and listened to her speak. She comes across as a brattish teen who is clueless. As a mother who has buried a baby, and sadly know others in the same position there's a sadness that doesn't leave you. It's 29 years since my son died and I still mourn. She didn't have that sadness about her I recognise in others. I wouldn't wish the pain of losing a child to anyone. On a human level the thought of burying three children is unimaginable: and celebrating the death of a child make a us no different to those seeking us harm. The baby can't be used as leverage to get back into the UK now. | |||
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"This isn’t the first child she has had that ‘died’ and I question why? Because there is no clean water or toilets or medicine in the refugee camp. No formula milk and she can't produce enough breast milk ? I do wonder why she kept trying for a baby in those awful conditions. How do you know she got pregnant intentionally? Because she had 3 pregnancies. I doubt very much any of them were an accident. She, and many other girls, were recruited to be wives of IS fighters and, I believe, to have children. " Her husband may have intended for her to get pregnant. It's entirely possible and probable that she had very little say in the matter. | |||
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"If she wanted her baby to survive she should have come back to UK when she was pregnant. " She asked. They said no. | |||
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"It terrifies me how many comments I've seen on social media of people either celebrating or indifferent to the death of a baby." Agree. They are exactly the same as how they perceive her. It's horrific. | |||
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"If she wanted her baby to survive she should have come back to UK when she was pregnant. She asked. They said no. " Unless she asked previously (before it came out in the media a few weeks ago) she was 9 months pregnant, can’t fly usually after 7 months. | |||
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"This isn’t the first child she has had that ‘died’ and I question why? Because there is no clean water or toilets or medicine in the refugee camp. No formula milk and she can't produce enough breast milk ? I do wonder why she kept trying for a baby in those awful conditions. How do you know she got pregnant intentionally? Because she had 3 pregnancies. I doubt very much any of them were an accident. She, and many other girls, were recruited to be wives of IS fighters and, I believe, to have children. Her husband may have intended for her to get pregnant. It's entirely possible and probable that she had very little say in the matter." I doubt she would have been against it. I believe these girls have been brainwashed into thinking it's their place in the world, and they have a duty. So they don't think about the lack of medical care or the conditions they are living in, or bringing children into. | |||
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"This isn’t the first child she has had that ‘died’ and I question why? Because there is no clean water or toilets or medicine in the refugee camp. No formula milk and she can't produce enough breast milk ? I do wonder why she kept trying for a baby in those awful conditions. How do you know she got pregnant intentionally? Because she had 3 pregnancies. I doubt very much any of them were an accident. She, and many other girls, were recruited to be wives of IS fighters and, I believe, to have children. Her husband may have intended for her to get pregnant. It's entirely possible and probable that she had very little say in the matter. I doubt she would have been against it. I believe these girls have been brainwashed into thinking it's their place in the world, and they have a duty. So they don't think about the lack of medical care or the conditions they are living in, or bringing children into. " Agreed but I don't consider being brainwashed the sane thing as making a personal choice to do something. I kinda think you've answered your own question here. | |||
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"She made her bed !! We have enough terrorists living in the uk already .. poor child never stood a chance she’s already lost two before that one , " I didn’t realise we knew how many terrorists there were living in the UK. How many are there? | |||
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"If she wanted her baby to survive she should have come back to UK when she was pregnant. She asked. They said no. " Given that plenty of other people, almost all men, have returned without all this bruhaha, do we know why it was one rule for them, and another for her? | |||
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"This isn’t the first child she has had that ‘died’ and I question why? Because there is no clean water or toilets or medicine in the refugee camp. No formula milk and she can't produce enough breast milk ? I do wonder why she kept trying for a baby in those awful conditions. How do you know she got pregnant intentionally? Because she had 3 pregnancies. I doubt very much any of them were an accident. She, and many other girls, were recruited to be wives of IS fighters and, I believe, to have children. Her husband may have intended for her to get pregnant. It's entirely possible and probable that she had very little say in the matter. I doubt she would have been against it. I believe these girls have been brainwashed into thinking it's their place in the world, and they have a duty. So they don't think about the lack of medical care or the conditions they are living in, or bringing children into. Agreed but I don't consider being brainwashed the sane thing as making a personal choice to do something. I kinda think you've answered your own question here." I should have said poor kid being born to a brainwashed mother who had no rational thoughts of her own, and couldn't see that the conditions she was living in, and the fact two of her babies had already died, meant there was a good chance subsequent babies would die. | |||
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"She made her bed !! We have enough terrorists living in the uk already .. poor child never stood a chance she’s already lost two before that one , I didn’t realise we knew how many terrorists there were living in the UK. How many are there?" No idea but one terrorist living here is one too many. | |||
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"Its just horrible. No matter what she has done, losing one child must have been heartbreaking, but three must be absolutely devastating and something that will shape her mental and physical wellbeing forever. We are all quick to judge her for her actions and poor decisions, but shes still very much a child herself. I find it hard to believe shes the stone cold monster she is being portrayed as in the media. She's been exposed to some horrific living conditions, in all likelihood used to satisfy the sexual needs of an actual monster, and has nobody to turn to for comfort or support at all. Dont get me wrong, the decision to strip her of her British citizenship was right imo, and the consequences of her actions should be a stark warning to others, but the disgusting comments ive seen on other social media about her dead baby are just vile. " | |||
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"Feel bad for the baby. I couldn't give a flying fuck about her, leave her over there to rot." | |||
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"Since paying closer attention to this case, it is my conclusion that she is a victim of child - grooming. She is one of our children who at 15 was lured and exploited online. I cannot wrap my head around the extreme hate and lack of care for her seeing that if it was sexual grooming or a 'grooming gang' we'd all have our tits and bollocks twisted up. We have failed to show how much better we are than the predators who exploited her. Failed to bring her home, out of fear, like fucking cowards. She was our child, unless for some reason you disagree that she was indeed ours. We should have pounced to bring her back to us. " Are you suggesting that if she was a (white?) victim of sexual grooming, people wouldn’t be saying she was a worthless whore who deserved all she got? But because she was a young Muslim girl and the nature of the grooming was different, people are treating her quite differently? | |||
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"Since paying closer attention to this case, it is my conclusion that she is a victim of child - grooming. She is one of our children who at 15 was lured and exploited online. I cannot wrap my head around the extreme hate and lack of care for her seeing that if it was sexual grooming or a 'grooming gang' we'd all have our tits and bollocks twisted up. We have failed to show how much better we are than the predators who exploited her. Failed to bring her home, out of fear, like fucking cowards. She was our child, unless for some reason you disagree that she was indeed ours. We should have pounced to bring her back to us. " I read somewhere that she said it was nothing like they showed in the videos. These girls (and boys) are groomed and made to think what they are doing is for good. The issue is how much of a threat is she if she comes back, and why is she being treated differently to others who have returned. Who takes responsibility for returning people who left to join terrorist organisations. | |||
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"Since paying closer attention to this case, it is my conclusion that she is a victim of child - grooming. She is one of our children who at 15 was lured and exploited online. I cannot wrap my head around the extreme hate and lack of care for her seeing that if it was sexual grooming or a 'grooming gang' we'd all have our tits and bollocks twisted up. We have failed to show how much better we are than the predators who exploited her. Failed to bring her home, out of fear, like fucking cowards. She was our child, unless for some reason you disagree that she was indeed ours. We should have pounced to bring her back to us. Are you suggesting that if she was a (white?) victim of sexual grooming, people wouldn’t be saying she was a worthless whore who deserved all she got? But because she was a young Muslim girl and the nature of the grooming was different, people are treating her quite differently?" If she was white and at least middle class perhaps. Sadly even in the Rotherham grooming case half the reason it went on for so long was because the girls were mostly from council estates or in care and social workers and the police were saying the girls were making a "lifestyle choice" to have sex with these older men or have sex in exchange for gifts. They basically thought because they were underprivileged they had "low morals" and disregarded the fact they were still legally children. | |||
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"Since paying closer attention to this case, it is my conclusion that she is a victim of child - grooming. She is one of our children who at 15 was lured and exploited online. I cannot wrap my head around the extreme hate and lack of care for her seeing that if it was sexual grooming or a 'grooming gang' we'd all have our tits and bollocks twisted up. We have failed to show how much better we are than the predators who exploited her. Failed to bring her home, out of fear, like fucking cowards. She was our child, unless for some reason you disagree that she was indeed ours. We should have pounced to bring her back to us. I read somewhere that she said it was nothing like they showed in the videos. These girls (and boys) are groomed and made to think what they are doing is for good. The issue is how much of a threat is she if she comes back, and why is she being treated differently to others who have returned. Who takes responsibility for returning people who left to join terrorist organisations. " The Home Office / Border Force / MI5...there’s people on watch / no fly lists that are monitored. Would depend on how long they’re out of the UK for and how much of a threat you’re deemed to be. | |||
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"Since paying closer attention to this case, it is my conclusion that she is a victim of child - grooming. She is one of our children who at 15 was lured and exploited online. I cannot wrap my head around the extreme hate and lack of care for her seeing that if it was sexual grooming or a 'grooming gang' we'd all have our tits and bollocks twisted up. We have failed to show how much better we are than the predators who exploited her. Failed to bring her home, out of fear, like fucking cowards. She was our child, unless for some reason you disagree that she was indeed ours. We should have pounced to bring her back to us. " I haven’t seen any such campaign from her parents to bring her back in the first instance, and they haven’t been that vocal as of late. No one really knows how much she was groomed if at all, how much was it of being a 15 year old swept away by the romance / cause & rebellion of leaving the UK to live a renegade dangerous life in Syria. Of course it was nothing like she thought it would be, looking at YouTube would have told her the reality. | |||
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"Since paying closer attention to this case, it is my conclusion that she is a victim of child - grooming. She is one of our children who at 15 was lured and exploited online. I cannot wrap my head around the extreme hate and lack of care for her seeing that if it was sexual grooming or a 'grooming gang' we'd all have our tits and bollocks twisted up. We have failed to show how much better we are than the predators who exploited her. Failed to bring her home, out of fear, like fucking cowards. She was our child, unless for some reason you disagree that she was indeed ours. We should have pounced to bring her back to us. Are you suggesting that if she was a (white?) victim of sexual grooming, people wouldn’t be saying she was a worthless whore who deserved all she got? But because she was a young Muslim girl and the nature of the grooming was different, people are treating her quite differently?" You have an explanation that sticks but I don't want to commit any excesses here. I just can't wrap my head around the response to her seeing that she was a child victim. I would hope it is not, as you suggested, because she's a brown non-Christian and therefore of a lower class of citizenship. Surely we are better than that. | |||
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"It’s always sad to see any child die, but how can Labour Party blame Sadiq Khan?? Surely this woman has made her bed and decided to commit what is basically treason... Then her husband wants to support her in Holland ( didn’t hear that initially did we? Yes her Dutch husband) Why is it always us Brit’s who are seen as the bad guys? As I said it’s sad about her child, but it’s not really our problem is it?" why did her child die?Did the child die from neglect or her choices ? | |||
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"Since paying closer attention to this case, it is my conclusion that she is a victim of child - grooming. She is one of our children who at 15 was lured and exploited online. I cannot wrap my head around the extreme hate and lack of care for her seeing that if it was sexual grooming or a 'grooming gang' we'd all have our tits and bollocks twisted up. We have failed to show how much better we are than the predators who exploited her. Failed to bring her home, out of fear, like fucking cowards. She was our child, unless for some reason you disagree that she was indeed ours. We should have pounced to bring her back to us. Are you suggesting that if she was a (white?) victim of sexual grooming, people wouldn’t be saying she was a worthless whore who deserved all she got? But because she was a young Muslim girl and the nature of the grooming was different, people are treating her quite differently? If she was white and at least middle class perhaps. Sadly even in the Rotherham grooming case half the reason it went on for so long was because the girls were mostly from council estates or in care and social workers and the police were saying the girls were making a "lifestyle choice" to have sex with these older men or have sex in exchange for gifts. They basically thought because they were underprivileged they had "low morals" and disregarded the fact they were still legally children." Sad that we treat our children this way when they come from a lower class. | |||
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"Since paying closer attention to this case, it is my conclusion that she is a victim of child - grooming. She is one of our children who at 15 was lured and exploited online. I cannot wrap my head around the extreme hate and lack of care for her seeing that if it was sexual grooming or a 'grooming gang' we'd all have our tits and bollocks twisted up. We have failed to show how much better we are than the predators who exploited her. Failed to bring her home, out of fear, like fucking cowards. She was our child, unless for some reason you disagree that she was indeed ours. We should have pounced to bring her back to us. Are you suggesting that if she was a (white?) victim of sexual grooming, people wouldn’t be saying she was a worthless whore who deserved all she got? But because she was a young Muslim girl and the nature of the grooming was different, people are treating her quite differently? If she was white and at least middle class perhaps. Sadly even in the Rotherham grooming case half the reason it went on for so long was because the girls were mostly from council estates or in care and social workers and the police were saying the girls were making a "lifestyle choice" to have sex with these older men or have sex in exchange for gifts. They basically thought because they were underprivileged they had "low morals" and disregarded the fact they were still legally children. Sad that we treat our children this way when they come from a lower class. " Absolutely! There also seems to be this attitude that children only deserve to be safeguarded if we like them and their choices. I consider that a slippery slope. | |||
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"Since paying closer attention to this case, it is my conclusion that she is a victim of child - grooming. She is one of our children who at 15 was lured and exploited online. I cannot wrap my head around the extreme hate and lack of care for her seeing that if it was sexual grooming or a 'grooming gang' we'd all have our tits and bollocks twisted up. We have failed to show how much better we are than the predators who exploited her. Failed to bring her home, out of fear, like fucking cowards. She was our child, unless for some reason you disagree that she was indeed ours. We should have pounced to bring her back to us. Are you suggesting that if she was a (white?) victim of sexual grooming, people wouldn’t be saying she was a worthless whore who deserved all she got? But because she was a young Muslim girl and the nature of the grooming was different, people are treating her quite differently? If she was white and at least middle class perhaps. Sadly even in the Rotherham grooming case half the reason it went on for so long was because the girls were mostly from council estates or in care and social workers and the police were saying the girls were making a "lifestyle choice" to have sex with these older men or have sex in exchange for gifts. They basically thought because they were underprivileged they had "low morals" and disregarded the fact they were still legally children. Sad that we treat our children this way when they come from a lower class. " In what way? So are you saying whenever this happens we should just let them back to get on with their lives. Did you see her speak about the Manchester bombing? More needs to be done to stop all this happening in the first place, that’s where the answer lies. | |||
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"Maybe she wasn't really pregnant and it was just a rouse to get back in to the country. Yes she may have been pictured with a baby but was it really her baby?" | |||
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"Since paying closer attention to this case, it is my conclusion that she is a victim of child - grooming. She is one of our children who at 15 was lured and exploited online. I cannot wrap my head around the extreme hate and lack of care for her seeing that if it was sexual grooming or a 'grooming gang' we'd all have our tits and bollocks twisted up. We have failed to show how much better we are than the predators who exploited her. Failed to bring her home, out of fear, like fucking cowards. She was our child, unless for some reason you disagree that she was indeed ours. We should have pounced to bring her back to us. Are you suggesting that if she was a (white?) victim of sexual grooming, people wouldn’t be saying she was a worthless whore who deserved all she got? But because she was a young Muslim girl and the nature of the grooming was different, people are treating her quite differently? If she was white and at least middle class perhaps. Sadly even in the Rotherham grooming case half the reason it went on for so long was because the girls were mostly from council estates or in care and social workers and the police were saying the girls were making a "lifestyle choice" to have sex with these older men or have sex in exchange for gifts. They basically thought because they were underprivileged they had "low morals" and disregarded the fact they were still legally children. Sad that we treat our children this way when they come from a lower class. Absolutely! There also seems to be this attitude that children only deserve to be safeguarded if we like them and their choices. I consider that a slippery slope. " That is damning! Do you mean that we are moralistic fanatics who strip kids of their childhood status (and citizenship) if they happen to go against our code and they come from a lower class? How much less fanatic are some of us compared to the monsters who stole Shamima from us? | |||
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"Since paying closer attention to this case, it is my conclusion that she is a victim of child - grooming. She is one of our children who at 15 was lured and exploited online. I cannot wrap my head around the extreme hate and lack of care for her seeing that if it was sexual grooming or a 'grooming gang' we'd all have our tits and bollocks twisted up. We have failed to show how much better we are than the predators who exploited her. Failed to bring her home, out of fear, like fucking cowards. She was our child, unless for some reason you disagree that she was indeed ours. We should have pounced to bring her back to us. Are you suggesting that if she was a (white?) victim of sexual grooming, people wouldn’t be saying she was a worthless whore who deserved all she got? But because she was a young Muslim girl and the nature of the grooming was different, people are treating her quite differently? If she was white and at least middle class perhaps. Sadly even in the Rotherham grooming case half the reason it went on for so long was because the girls were mostly from council estates or in care and social workers and the police were saying the girls were making a "lifestyle choice" to have sex with these older men or have sex in exchange for gifts. They basically thought because they were underprivileged they had "low morals" and disregarded the fact they were still legally children. Sad that we treat our children this way when they come from a lower class. In what way? So are you saying whenever this happens we should just let them back to get on with their lives. Did you see her speak about the Manchester bombing? More needs to be done to stop all this happening in the first place, that’s where the answer lies. " Which Rotheram grooming victim has made comment on the Manchester bombings? Or maybe need to actually read what the comment was in response to... | |||
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"Aww no ... Any ideas on the cause?" I blame the parents. | |||
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"Since paying closer attention to this case, it is my conclusion that she is a victim of child - grooming. She is one of our children who at 15 was lured and exploited online. I cannot wrap my head around the extreme hate and lack of care for her seeing that if it was sexual grooming or a 'grooming gang' we'd all have our tits and bollocks twisted up. We have failed to show how much better we are than the predators who exploited her. Failed to bring her home, out of fear, like fucking cowards. She was our child, unless for some reason you disagree that she was indeed ours. We should have pounced to bring her back to us. Are you suggesting that if she was a (white?) victim of sexual grooming, people wouldn’t be saying she was a worthless whore who deserved all she got? But because she was a young Muslim girl and the nature of the grooming was different, people are treating her quite differently? If she was white and at least middle class perhaps. Sadly even in the Rotherham grooming case half the reason it went on for so long was because the girls were mostly from council estates or in care and social workers and the police were saying the girls were making a "lifestyle choice" to have sex with these older men or have sex in exchange for gifts. They basically thought because they were underprivileged they had "low morals" and disregarded the fact they were still legally children. Sad that we treat our children this way when they come from a lower class. " What’s the solution then? It’s all too easy to blame the class system, social services and the police. There will always be those people who will exploit the most vulnerable in society. | |||
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"My sympathies are for the baby, and the other two children she needlessly made suffer. She wasn't groomed, she looked them up of her own free will and knew exactly what the group were capable of doing, booked her own tickets after stealing jewelry to sell, stole her sisters passport to travel and has expressed zero regret or remorse for what she's done. She seems completely emotionless to the fact her decisions and actions caused the death of her own children. She is arrogant, and her family are just as bad for trying to blame everyone else but themselves for her situation. " . Christ! How did she manage to travel on her sisters passport?! There's only a couple of years between my brother and I, but i don't think I'd be able to use his passport! We don't have similar hairstyles for a start! | |||
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"Since paying closer attention to this case, it is my conclusion that she is a victim of child - grooming. She is one of our children who at 15 was lured and exploited online. I cannot wrap my head around the extreme hate and lack of care for her seeing that if it was sexual grooming or a 'grooming gang' we'd all have our tits and bollocks twisted up. We have failed to show how much better we are than the predators who exploited her. Failed to bring her home, out of fear, like fucking cowards. She was our child, unless for some reason you disagree that she was indeed ours. We should have pounced to bring her back to us. Are you suggesting that if she was a (white?) victim of sexual grooming, people wouldn’t be saying she was a worthless whore who deserved all she got? But because she was a young Muslim girl and the nature of the grooming was different, people are treating her quite differently? If she was white and at least middle class perhaps. Sadly even in the Rotherham grooming case half the reason it went on for so long was because the girls were mostly from council estates or in care and social workers and the police were saying the girls were making a "lifestyle choice" to have sex with these older men or have sex in exchange for gifts. They basically thought because they were underprivileged they had "low morals" and disregarded the fact they were still legally children. Sad that we treat our children this way when they come from a lower class. In what way? So are you saying whenever this happens we should just let them back to get on with their lives. Did you see her speak about the Manchester bombing? More needs to be done to stop all this happening in the first place, that’s where the answer lies. Which Rotheram grooming victim has made comment on the Manchester bombings? Or maybe need to actually read what the comment was in response to..." I think most people have the brains to realise what I was referring to. Or maybe not. Forget where I am sometimes. | |||
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"Since paying closer attention to this case, it is my conclusion that she is a victim of child - grooming. She is one of our children who at 15 was lured and exploited online. I cannot wrap my head around the extreme hate and lack of care for her seeing that if it was sexual grooming or a 'grooming gang' we'd all have our tits and bollocks twisted up. We have failed to show how much better we are than the predators who exploited her. Failed to bring her home, out of fear, like fucking cowards. She was our child, unless for some reason you disagree that she was indeed ours. We should have pounced to bring her back to us. " I’m sorry but the scenarios you compare have no significance. She was a British citizen who was groomed by a terror group . The grooming gangs that roam this country preying on young British Citizens aren’t trying to turn these individuals into a walking bomb vest !!! Nor is this about fucking cowardice as you put it . This is a British Citizen who made a choice against the spineless will of her family . She showed a strength of character at 15 to walk away from her family and in my opinion any rights that she may of had . | |||
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"My sympathies are for the baby, and the other two children she needlessly made suffer. She wasn't groomed, she looked them up of her own free will and knew exactly what the group were capable of doing, booked her own tickets after stealing jewelry to sell, stole her sisters passport to travel and has expressed zero regret or remorse for what she's done. She seems completely emotionless to the fact her decisions and actions caused the death of her own children. She is arrogant, and her family are just as bad for trying to blame everyone else but themselves for her situation. " Absofuckinglutely !!!! | |||
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"Since paying closer attention to this case, it is my conclusion that she is a victim of child - grooming. She is one of our children who at 15 was lured and exploited online. I cannot wrap my head around the extreme hate and lack of care for her seeing that if it was sexual grooming or a 'grooming gang' we'd all have our tits and bollocks twisted up. We have failed to show how much better we are than the predators who exploited her. Failed to bring her home, out of fear, like fucking cowards. She was our child, unless for some reason you disagree that she was indeed ours. We should have pounced to bring her back to us. Are you suggesting that if she was a (white?) victim of sexual grooming, people wouldn’t be saying she was a worthless whore who deserved all she got? But because she was a young Muslim girl and the nature of the grooming was different, people are treating her quite differently? If she was white and at least middle class perhaps. Sadly even in the Rotherham grooming case half the reason it went on for so long was because the girls were mostly from council estates or in care and social workers and the police were saying the girls were making a "lifestyle choice" to have sex with these older men or have sex in exchange for gifts. They basically thought because they were underprivileged they had "low morals" and disregarded the fact they were still legally children. Sad that we treat our children this way when they come from a lower class. In what way? So are you saying whenever this happens we should just let them back to get on with their lives. Did you see her speak about the Manchester bombing? More needs to be done to stop all this happening in the first place, that’s where the answer lies. " Good questions that deserve some thought and consideration. She's been groomed from childhood. That much seems clear. She just may be a bit mentally deficient as well from the looks of it. Rather than 'just let them back to get on with their lives' we should BRING them back and take an active role in deprograming and treatment for the grooming. Good suggestion on stopping it from happening in the first place. Do you think bringing her back she could be instrumental in prevention somehow? I certainly don't have all the answers. | |||
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"Since paying closer attention to this case, it is my conclusion that she is a victim of child - grooming. She is one of our children who at 15 was lured and exploited online. I cannot wrap my head around the extreme hate and lack of care for her seeing that if it was sexual grooming or a 'grooming gang' we'd all have our tits and bollocks twisted up. We have failed to show how much better we are than the predators who exploited her. Failed to bring her home, out of fear, like fucking cowards. She was our child, unless for some reason you disagree that she was indeed ours. We should have pounced to bring her back to us. I’m sorry but the scenarios you compare have no significance. She was a British citizen who was groomed by a terror group. The grooming gangs that roam this country preying on young British Citizens aren’t trying to turn these individuals into a walking bomb vest !!! Nor is this about fucking cowardice as you put it. This is a British Citizen who made a choice against the spineless will of her family . She showed a strength of character at 15 to walk away from her family and in my opinion any rights that she may of had." You make good points about the differences in the goals of different types of groomers. I agree it's definitely different. But how would you come across if you had said about a child who was groomed sexually that "She showed a strength of character at 15 to walk away from her family and in my opinion any rights that she may of had." ?? I still think we're being fucking cowards to be honest. | |||
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"Since paying closer attention to this case, it is my conclusion that she is a victim of child - grooming. She is one of our children who at 15 was lured and exploited online. I cannot wrap my head around the extreme hate and lack of care for her seeing that if it was sexual grooming or a 'grooming gang' we'd all have our tits and bollocks twisted up. We have failed to show how much better we are than the predators who exploited her. Failed to bring her home, out of fear, like fucking cowards. She was our child, unless for some reason you disagree that she was indeed ours. We should have pounced to bring her back to us. I’m sorry but the scenarios you compare have no significance. She was a British citizen who was groomed by a terror group. The grooming gangs that roam this country preying on young British Citizens aren’t trying to turn these individuals into a walking bomb vest !!! Nor is this about fucking cowardice as you put it. This is a British Citizen who made a choice against the spineless will of her family . She showed a strength of character at 15 to walk away from her family and in my opinion any rights that she may of had. You make good points about the differences in the goals of different types of groomers. I agree it's definitely different. But how would you come across if you had said about a child who was groomed sexually that "She showed a strength of character at 15 to walk away from her family and in my opinion any rights that she may of had." ?? I still think we're being fucking cowards to be honest. " Agreed. Say a 15 year old who did the same to leave the country to marry her teacher. | |||
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"Since paying closer attention to this case, it is my conclusion that she is a victim of child - grooming. She is one of our children who at 15 was lured and exploited online. I cannot wrap my head around the extreme hate and lack of care for her seeing that if it was sexual grooming or a 'grooming gang' we'd all have our tits and bollocks twisted up. We have failed to show how much better we are than the predators who exploited her. Failed to bring her home, out of fear, like fucking cowards. She was our child, unless for some reason you disagree that she was indeed ours. We should have pounced to bring her back to us. I’m sorry but the scenarios you compare have no significance. She was a British citizen who was groomed by a terror group. The grooming gangs that roam this country preying on young British Citizens aren’t trying to turn these individuals into a walking bomb vest !!! Nor is this about fucking cowardice as you put it. This is a British Citizen who made a choice against the spineless will of her family . She showed a strength of character at 15 to walk away from her family and in my opinion any rights that she may of had. You make good points about the differences in the goals of different types of groomers. I agree it's definitely different. But how would you come across if you had said about a child who was groomed sexually that "She showed a strength of character at 15 to walk away from her family and in my opinion any rights that she may of had." ?? I still think we're being fucking cowards to be honest. " Again you are trying to compare two completely different scenarios . I think sir we will have to agree to disagree . Both forms of grooming and indoctrination are wrong but the consequences of one form of grooming does not carry the same impact on the British public . Having lost a friend in the Manchester bombing who was there to pick up her daughter . I’m probably not the best to comment impartially | |||
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"This isn’t the first child she has had that ‘died’ and I question why? Because there is no clean water or toilets or medicine in the refugee camp. No formula milk and she can't produce enough breast milk ? I do wonder why she kept trying for a baby in those awful conditions." Probably that one is down to lack of access to contraception in a refugee camp.  | |||
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"Part of me also can’t help but think, that as a 15 year old girl she was effectively groomed. " She was groomed long before that. Her father brought her up with extremist religious views. It's like the westbourough Baptist kids, heavy indoctrination from an early age. She had no chance of normality. | |||
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"Since paying closer attention to this case, it is my conclusion that she is a victim of child - grooming. She is one of our children who at 15 was lured and exploited online. I cannot wrap my head around the extreme hate and lack of care for her seeing that if it was sexual grooming or a 'grooming gang' we'd all have our tits and bollocks twisted up. We have failed to show how much better we are than the predators who exploited her. Failed to bring her home, out of fear, like fucking cowards. She was our child, unless for some reason you disagree that she was indeed ours. We should have pounced to bring her back to us. I’m sorry but the scenarios you compare have no significance. She was a British citizen who was groomed by a terror group. The grooming gangs that roam this country preying on young British Citizens aren’t trying to turn these individuals into a walking bomb vest !!! Nor is this about fucking cowardice as you put it. This is a British Citizen who made a choice against the spineless will of her family . She showed a strength of character at 15 to walk away from her family and in my opinion any rights that she may of had. You make good points about the differences in the goals of different types of groomers. I agree it's definitely different. But how would you come across if you had said about a child who was groomed sexually that "She showed a strength of character at 15 to walk away from her family and in my opinion any rights that she may of had." ?? I still think we're being fucking cowards to be honest. Again you are trying to compare two completely different scenarios . I think sir we will have to agree to disagree . Both forms of grooming and indoctrination are wrong but the consequences of one form of grooming does not carry the same impact on the British public . Having lost a friend in the Manchester bombing who was there to pick up her daughter . I’m probably not the best to comment impartially " Sorry about your friend, that's tragic! I would have to disagree that the consequences of one form isn't as impactful on the British public. Tell that to the victims of sexual grooming and their families and communities. It is absolutely devastating and destructive and causes havoc on the society and on those girls and boys. Couldn't disagree with you more. But you do acknowledge that the kid was groomed, so she's a victim. | |||
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"It terrifies me how many comments I've seen on social media of people either celebrating or indifferent to the death of a baby." Yes it is terrifying  | |||
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"Since paying closer attention to this case, it is my conclusion that she is a victim of child - grooming. She is one of our children who at 15 was lured and exploited online. I cannot wrap my head around the extreme hate and lack of care for her seeing that if it was sexual grooming or a 'grooming gang' we'd all have our tits and bollocks twisted up. We have failed to show how much better we are than the predators who exploited her. Failed to bring her home, out of fear, like fucking cowards. She was our child, unless for some reason you disagree that she was indeed ours. We should have pounced to bring her back to us. I’m sorry but the scenarios you compare have no significance. She was a British citizen who was groomed by a terror group. The grooming gangs that roam this country preying on young British Citizens aren’t trying to turn these individuals into a walking bomb vest !!! Nor is this about fucking cowardice as you put it. This is a British Citizen who made a choice against the spineless will of her family . She showed a strength of character at 15 to walk away from her family and in my opinion any rights that she may of had. You make good points about the differences in the goals of different types of groomers. I agree it's definitely different. But how would you come across if you had said about a child who was groomed sexually that "She showed a strength of character at 15 to walk away from her family and in my opinion any rights that she may of had." ?? I still think we're being fucking cowards to be honest. " She was a 15yr old child that was groomed, radicalised and then sexually exploited and trafficked. Unless you have a clear understanding of how vulnerable children are lured and controlled by gangs, you will always see things in black and white. Grooming is never an 'excuse' it's a reason, along with radicalisation. Yes she made a conscious decision to leave and join ISIS, but how do you think she came to that decision? Through being radicalised. There is a clear difference between some of the women who went out there as adults making adult choices and a young woman who went out there as a 15-year-old, a minor, and remained a minor until only a year ago, by which time she would have become heavily indoctrinated. The whole situation is really sad. She has lost 3 children, been brainwashed to the cause and yet the majority of our country are so quick to say 'fuck her, she knew what she was doing!' Like I said, unless you have a clear understanding of how these vulnerable young people are targeted and used, you will only ever see things in black and white | |||
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"Since paying closer attention to this case, it is my conclusion that she is a victim of child - grooming. She is one of our children who at 15 was lured and exploited online. I cannot wrap my head around the extreme hate and lack of care for her seeing that if it was sexual grooming or a 'grooming gang' we'd all have our tits and bollocks twisted up. We have failed to show how much better we are than the predators who exploited her. Failed to bring her home, out of fear, like fucking cowards. She was our child, unless for some reason you disagree that she was indeed ours. We should have pounced to bring her back to us. I’m sorry but the scenarios you compare have no significance. She was a British citizen who was groomed by a terror group. The grooming gangs that roam this country preying on young British Citizens aren’t trying to turn these individuals into a walking bomb vest !!! Nor is this about fucking cowardice as you put it. This is a British Citizen who made a choice against the spineless will of her family . She showed a strength of character at 15 to walk away from her family and in my opinion any rights that she may of had. You make good points about the differences in the goals of different types of groomers. I agree it's definitely different. But how would you come across if you had said about a child who was groomed sexually that "She showed a strength of character at 15 to walk away from her family and in my opinion any rights that she may of had." ?? I still think we're being fucking cowards to be honest. Again you are trying to compare two completely different scenarios . I think sir we will have to agree to disagree . Both forms of grooming and indoctrination are wrong but the consequences of one form of grooming does not carry the same impact on the British public . Having lost a friend in the Manchester bombing who was there to pick up her daughter . I’m probably not the best to comment impartially " Yes the consequences are horrific but the blame lies with the groomers not the victims. The groomers in both scenarios can rot in hell. | |||
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"Since paying closer attention to this case, it is my conclusion that she is a victim of child - grooming. She is one of our children who at 15 was lured and exploited online. I cannot wrap my head around the extreme hate and lack of care for her seeing that if it was sexual grooming or a 'grooming gang' we'd all have our tits and bollocks twisted up. We have failed to show how much better we are than the predators who exploited her. Failed to bring her home, out of fear, like fucking cowards. She was our child, unless for some reason you disagree that she was indeed ours. We should have pounced to bring her back to us. I’m sorry but the scenarios you compare have no significance. She was a British citizen who was groomed by a terror group. The grooming gangs that roam this country preying on young British Citizens aren’t trying to turn these individuals into a walking bomb vest !!! Nor is this about fucking cowardice as you put it. This is a British Citizen who made a choice against the spineless will of her family . She showed a strength of character at 15 to walk away from her family and in my opinion any rights that she may of had. You make good points about the differences in the goals of different types of groomers. I agree it's definitely different. But how would you come across if you had said about a child who was groomed sexually that "She showed a strength of character at 15 to walk away from her family and in my opinion any rights that she may of had." ?? I still think we're being fucking cowards to be honest. She was a 15yr old child that was groomed, radicalised and then sexually exploited and trafficked. Unless you have a clear understanding of how vulnerable children are lured and controlled by gangs, you will always see things in black and white. Grooming is never an 'excuse' it's a reason, along with radicalisation. Yes she made a conscious decision to leave and join ISIS, but how do you think she came to that decision? Through being radicalised. There is a clear difference between some of the women who went out there as adults making adult choices and a young woman who went out there as a 15-year-old, a minor, and remained a minor until only a year ago, by which time she would have become heavily indoctrinated. The whole situation is really sad. She has lost 3 children, been brainwashed to the cause and yet the majority of our country are so quick to say 'fuck her, she knew what she was doing!' Like I said, unless you have a clear understanding of how these vulnerable young people are targeted and used, you will only ever see things in black and white " 100% agree. She wouldn't have even been able to legally marry in this country regardless of whether she wanted to as we don't consider 15 old enough to make a decision like that. | |||
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"This isn’t the first child she has had that ‘died’ and I question why? Because there is no clean water or toilets or medicine in the refugee camp. No formula milk and she can't produce enough breast milk ? I do wonder why she kept trying for a baby in those awful conditions. Probably that one is down to lack of access to contraception in a refugee camp. "Or the fact she was being sexually exploited and had no say in the matter  | |||
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"I dont care about her babies dying, she was figthing to bring that level of health care to the UK/the west, she was fighting so gay people in the UK could be thrown off roofs. You have to be a real snow flake to feel anything close to sympathy for her." Damn, that's cold!  I'm shocked at who we are/have become. | |||
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"I dont care about her babies dying, she was figthing to bring that level of health care to the UK/the west, she was fighting so gay people in the UK could be thrown off roofs. You have to be a real snow flake to feel anything close to sympathy for her. Damn, that's cold! I'm shocked at who we are/have become. "Get over it. I have had 3 siblings die as babies. It's just part of life. Social media did not light up to support me. If your child was dragged out of your house to be thrown off a roof for being gay you would be praying for someone "shocking" like me to be running towards the scene, and I dred my child being dragged from the home and only people like you there to help me. Stop being sympathetic to people who dont need/deserve it. | |||
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"I dont care about her babies dying, she was figthing to bring that level of health care to the UK/the west, she was fighting so gay people in the UK could be thrown off roofs. You have to be a real snow flake to feel anything close to sympathy for her. Damn, that's cold! I'm shocked at who we are/have become.
Get over it. I have had 3 siblings die as babies. It's just part of life. Social media did not light up to support me.
If your child was dragged out of your house to be thrown off a roof for being gay you would be praying for someone "shocking" like me to be running towards the scene, and I dred my child being dragged from the home and only people like you there to help me.
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"Since paying closer attention to this case, it is my conclusion that she is a victim of child - grooming. She is one of our children who at 15 was lured and exploited online. I cannot wrap my head around the extreme hate and lack of care for her seeing that if it was sexual grooming or a 'grooming gang' we'd all have our tits and bollocks twisted up. We have failed to show how much better we are than the predators who exploited her. Failed to bring her home, out of fear, like fucking cowards. She was our child, unless for some reason you disagree that she was indeed ours. We should have pounced to bring her back to us. I’m sorry but the scenarios you compare have no significance. She was a British citizen who was groomed by a terror group. The grooming gangs that roam this country preying on young British Citizens aren’t trying to turn these individuals into a walking bomb vest !!! Nor is this about fucking cowardice as you put it. This is a British Citizen who made a choice against the spineless will of her family . She showed a strength of character at 15 to walk away from her family and in my opinion any rights that she may of had. You make good points about the differences in the goals of different types of groomers. I agree it's definitely different. But how would you come across if you had said about a child who was groomed sexually that "She showed a strength of character at 15 to walk away from her family and in my opinion any rights that she may of had." ?? I still think we're being fucking cowards to be honest. Again you are trying to compare two completely different scenarios . I think sir we will have to agree to disagree . Both forms of grooming and indoctrination are wrong but the consequences of one form of grooming does not carry the same impact on the British public . Having lost a friend in the Manchester bombing who was there to pick up her daughter . I’m probably not the best to comment impartially Sorry about your friend, that's tragic! I would have to disagree that the consequences of one form isn't as impactful on the British public. Tell that to the victims of sexual grooming and their families and communities. It is absolutely devastating and destructive and causes havoc on the society and on those girls and boys. Couldn't disagree with you more. But you do acknowledge that the kid was groomed, so she's a victim. " There are different types of grooming that produce a different type of victim . The majority of girls groomed into sex come from vulnerable underprivileged backgrounds . They are preyed on for their weakness . Of course it’s horrendous for them and their family members that do actually give a shit . The impact on the British society ? Apart from keeping the Asian grooming gangs in prison and the rehabilitation of a child !! In the other hand you have a 15 yr old that left with two other girls . She wasn’t from a underprivileged background nor was she being abused . She was indoctrinated into a terror group who would lead her to believe that her soul purpose is to produce a stream of little terrorists for the cause and possibly eventually if she’s lucky to slip into Europe and meet her maker in the ISIS way ..... cause and effect ?? I have noted that you live in Edinburgh Is this a hotbed of grooming ? I speak from experience living in and around Rochdale and in my line of work . I’m sorry but two totally different impacts on society . | |||
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"I dont care about her babies dying, she was figthing to bring that level of health care to the UK/the west, she was fighting so gay people in the UK could be thrown off roofs. You have to be a real snow flake to feel anything close to sympathy for her." What’s a snow flake? | |||
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"Ill say what i said on fb why should we care? Yes granted it's very sad to hear the child has died but she deserves no sympathy she chose her life and she should be held responsible for her situation again it is sad news a baby has died but has anyone actually seen this child? " Dunno. Because we’re natives of a supposedly civilised progressive country who can understand that children can be badly influenced and due to the unfortunate circumstances they find themselves in, run the risk of making bad decisions they might later come to regret? | |||
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"My sympathies are for the baby, and the other two children she needlessly made suffer. She wasn't groomed, she looked them up of her own free will and knew exactly what the group were capable of doing, booked her own tickets after stealing jewelry to sell, stole her sisters passport to travel and has expressed zero regret or remorse for what she's done. She seems completely emotionless to the fact her decisions and actions caused the death of her own children. She is arrogant, and her family are just as bad for trying to blame everyone else but themselves for her situation. " Presumably you can be groomed, to a degree at least, by reading words on screen, as you can be by hearing them spoken. | |||
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"I dont care about her babies dying, she was figthing to bring that level of health care to the UK/the west, she was fighting so gay people in the UK could be thrown off roofs. You have to be a real snow flake to feel anything close to sympathy for her. Damn, that's cold! I'm shocked at who we are/have become.
Get over it. I have had 3 siblings die as babies. It's just part of life. Social media did not light up to support me.
If your child was dragged out of your house to be thrown off a roof for being gay you would be praying for someone "shocking" like me to be running towards the scene, and I dred my child being dragged from the home and only people like you there to help me.
Stop being sympathetic to people who dont need/deserve it.
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"Since paying closer attention to this case, it is my conclusion that she is a victim of child - grooming. She is one of our children who at 15 was lured and exploited online. I cannot wrap my head around the extreme hate and lack of care for her seeing that if it was sexual grooming or a 'grooming gang' we'd all have our tits and bollocks twisted up. We have failed to show how much better we are than the predators who exploited her. Failed to bring her home, out of fear, like fucking cowards. She was our child, unless for some reason you disagree that she was indeed ours. We should have pounced to bring her back to us. I’m sorry but the scenarios you compare have no significance. She was a British citizen who was groomed by a terror group. The grooming gangs that roam this country preying on young British Citizens aren’t trying to turn these individuals into a walking bomb vest !!! Nor is this about fucking cowardice as you put it. This is a British Citizen who made a choice against the spineless will of her family . She showed a strength of character at 15 to walk away from her family and in my opinion any rights that she may of had. You make good points about the differences in the goals of different types of groomers. I agree it's definitely different. But how would you come across if you had said about a child who was groomed sexually that "She showed a strength of character at 15 to walk away from her family and in my opinion any rights that she may of had." ?? I still think we're being fucking cowards to be honest. Again you are trying to compare two completely different scenarios . I think sir we will have to agree to disagree . Both forms of grooming and indoctrination are wrong but the consequences of one form of grooming does not carry the same impact on the British public . Having lost a friend in the Manchester bombing who was there to pick up her daughter . I’m probably not the best to comment impartially Sorry about your friend, that's tragic! I would have to disagree that the consequences of one form isn't as impactful on the British public. Tell that to the victims of sexual grooming and their families and communities. It is absolutely devastating and destructive and causes havoc on the society and on those girls and boys. Couldn't disagree with you more. But you do acknowledge that the kid was groomed, so she's a victim. There are different types of grooming that produce a different type of victim . The majority of girls groomed into sex come from vulnerable underprivileged backgrounds . They are preyed on for their weakness . Of course it’s horrendous for them and their family members that do actually give a shit . The impact on the British society ? Apart from keeping the Asian grooming gangs in prison and the rehabilitation of a child !! In the other hand you have a 15 yr old that left with two other girls . She wasn’t from a underprivileged background nor was she being abused . She was indoctrinated into a terror group who would lead her to believe that her soul purpose is to produce a stream of little terrorists for the cause and possibly eventually if she’s lucky to slip into Europe and meet her maker in the ISIS way ..... cause and effect ?? I have noted that you live in Edinburgh Is this a hotbed of grooming ? I speak from experience living in and around Rochdale and in my line of work . I’m sorry but two totally different impacts on society . " Living there I'm sure you'll hsve heard of the young teenager in Rochdale who was paid by the groomers to find them new victims by befriending other girls and introducing them to the men. Grooming can lead children to do awful, unimaginable things. | |||
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"Since paying closer attention to this case, it is my conclusion that she is a victim of child - grooming. She is one of our children who at 15 was lured and exploited online. I cannot wrap my head around the extreme hate and lack of care for her seeing that if it was sexual grooming or a 'grooming gang' we'd all have our tits and bollocks twisted up. We have failed to show how much better we are than the predators who exploited her. Failed to bring her home, out of fear, like fucking cowards. She was our child, unless for some reason you disagree that she was indeed ours. We should have pounced to bring her back to us. I’m sorry but the scenarios you compare have no significance. She was a British citizen who was groomed by a terror group. The grooming gangs that roam this country preying on young British Citizens aren’t trying to turn these individuals into a walking bomb vest !!! Nor is this about fucking cowardice as you put it. This is a British Citizen who made a choice against the spineless will of her family . She showed a strength of character at 15 to walk away from her family and in my opinion any rights that she may of had. You make good points about the differences in the goals of different types of groomers. I agree it's definitely different. But how would you come across if you had said about a child who was groomed sexually that "She showed a strength of character at 15 to walk away from her family and in my opinion any rights that she may of had." ?? I still think we're being fucking cowards to be honest. Again you are trying to compare two completely different scenarios . I think sir we will have to agree to disagree . Both forms of grooming and indoctrination are wrong but the consequences of one form of grooming does not carry the same impact on the British public . Having lost a friend in the Manchester bombing who was there to pick up her daughter . I’m probably not the best to comment impartially Sorry about your friend, that's tragic! I would have to disagree that the consequences of one form isn't as impactful on the British public. Tell that to the victims of sexual grooming and their families and communities. It is absolutely devastating and destructive and causes havoc on the society and on those girls and boys. Couldn't disagree with you more. But you do acknowledge that the kid was groomed, so she's a victim. There are different types of grooming that produce a different type of victim . The majority of girls groomed into sex come from vulnerable underprivileged backgrounds . They are preyed on for their weakness . Of course it’s horrendous for them and their family members that do actually give a shit . The impact on the British society ? Apart from keeping the Asian grooming gangs in prison and the rehabilitation of a child !! In the other hand you have a 15 yr old that left with two other girls . She wasn’t from a underprivileged background nor was she being abused . She was indoctrinated into a terror group who would lead her to believe that her soul purpose is to produce a stream of little terrorists for the cause and possibly eventually if she’s lucky to slip into Europe and meet her maker in the ISIS way ..... cause and effect ?? I have noted that you live in Edinburgh Is this a hotbed of grooming ? I speak from experience living in and around Rochdale and in my line of work . I’m sorry but two totally different impacts on society . " I have worked CSE for many years, there are far more privileged and affluent young girls groomed and exploited than people care to believe because it's easier for people to accept that these things only happen to poor white girls (and boys). She was a victim, there's no 2 ways about it. Who decides that a victim from grooming and exploitation is more of a victim than one who was radicalised and exploited? | |||
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"This isn’t the first child she has had that ‘died’ and I question why? Because there is no clean water or toilets or medicine in the refugee camp. No formula milk and she can't produce enough breast milk ? I do wonder why she kept trying for a baby in those awful conditions. Probably that one is down to lack of access to contraception in a refugee camp.
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"Was there an actual baby to start with??" Cynical me, I thought this too, and still think it was an extra wrinkle to add leverage to her claim to come back... and having been binned off I think she's now dumped the story, and whoever's baby it was she was using. | |||
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"Since paying closer attention to this case, it is my conclusion that she is a victim of child - grooming. She is one of our children who at 15 was lured and exploited online. I cannot wrap my head around the extreme hate and lack of care for her seeing that if it was sexual grooming or a 'grooming gang' we'd all have our tits and bollocks twisted up. We have failed to show how much better we are than the predators who exploited her. Failed to bring her home, out of fear, like fucking cowards. She was our child, unless for some reason you disagree that she was indeed ours. We should have pounced to bring her back to us. I’m sorry but the scenarios you compare have no significance. She was a British citizen who was groomed by a terror group. The grooming gangs that roam this country preying on young British Citizens aren’t trying to turn these individuals into a walking bomb vest !!! Nor is this about fucking cowardice as you put it. This is a British Citizen who made a choice against the spineless will of her family . She showed a strength of character at 15 to walk away from her family and in my opinion any rights that she may of had. You make good points about the differences in the goals of different types of groomers. I agree it's definitely different. But how would you come across if you had said about a child who was groomed sexually that "She showed a strength of character at 15 to walk away from her family and in my opinion any rights that she may of had." ?? I still think we're being fucking cowards to be honest. Again you are trying to compare two completely different scenarios . I think sir we will have to agree to disagree . Both forms of grooming and indoctrination are wrong but the consequences of one form of grooming does not carry the same impact on the British public . Having lost a friend in the Manchester bombing who was there to pick up her daughter . I’m probably not the best to comment impartially Sorry about your friend, that's tragic! I would have to disagree that the consequences of one form isn't as impactful on the British public. Tell that to the victims of sexual grooming and their families and communities. It is absolutely devastating and destructive and causes havoc on the society and on those girls and boys. Couldn't disagree with you more. But you do acknowledge that the kid was groomed, so she's a victim. There are different types of grooming that produce a different type of victim . The majority of girls groomed into sex come from vulnerable underprivileged backgrounds . They are preyed on for their weakness . Of course it’s horrendous for them and their family members that do actually give a shit . The impact on the British society ? Apart from keeping the Asian grooming gangs in prison and the rehabilitation of a child !! In the other hand you have a 15 yr old that left with two other girls . She wasn’t from a underprivileged background nor was she being abused . She was indoctrinated into a terror group who would lead her to believe that her soul purpose is to produce a stream of little terrorists for the cause and possibly eventually if she’s lucky to slip into Europe and meet her maker in the ISIS way ..... cause and effect ?? I have noted that you live in Edinburgh Is this a hotbed of grooming ? I speak from experience living in and around Rochdale and in my line of work . I’m sorry but two totally different impacts on society . Living there I'm sure you'll hsve heard of the young teenager in Rochdale who was paid by the groomers to find them new victims by befriending other girls and introducing them to the men. Grooming can lead children to do awful, unimaginable things." Absolutely. Grooming comes in various forms | |||
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"This isn’t the first child she has had that ‘died’ and I question why? Because there is no clean water or toilets or medicine in the refugee camp. No formula milk and she can't produce enough breast milk ? I do wonder why she kept trying for a baby in those awful conditions. Probably that one is down to lack of access to contraception in a refugee camp.
Or the fact she was being sexually exploited and had no say in the matter
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"Sorry to hear about the baby. There's no reason for this buck tooth, bottle opening, face woman to come here now. That should make it easier to keep her out of the UK. Sorry about the name calling " Don't be sorry about the name calling. All the pretty women didn't want you anyway. | |||
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"She's been offered up by the state as a figure for the public to piss on. Javid and his gesture politics gives the masses what they want. " x | |||
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"Very sad,poor baby, but i stand my ground with that woman, fuck her! " When did she become a woman ? | |||
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"Since paying closer attention to this case, it is my conclusion that she is a victim of child - grooming. She is one of our children who at 15 was lured and exploited online. I cannot wrap my head around the extreme hate and lack of care for her seeing that if it was sexual grooming or a 'grooming gang' we'd all have our tits and bollocks twisted up. We have failed to show how much better we are than the predators who exploited her. Failed to bring her home, out of fear, like fucking cowards. She was our child, unless for some reason you disagree that she was indeed ours. We should have pounced to bring her back to us. I’m sorry but the scenarios you compare have no significance. She was a British citizen who was groomed by a terror group. The grooming gangs that roam this country preying on young British Citizens aren’t trying to turn these individuals into a walking bomb vest !!! Nor is this about fucking cowardice as you put it. This is a British Citizen who made a choice against the spineless will of her family . She showed a strength of character at 15 to walk away from her family and in my opinion any rights that she may of had. You make good points about the differences in the goals of different types of groomers. I agree it's definitely different. But how would you come across if you had said about a child who was groomed sexually that "She showed a strength of character at 15 to walk away from her family and in my opinion any rights that she may of had." ?? I still think we're being fucking cowards to be honest. Again you are trying to compare two completely different scenarios . I think sir we will have to agree to disagree . Both forms of grooming and indoctrination are wrong but the consequences of one form of grooming does not carry the same impact on the British public . Having lost a friend in the Manchester bombing who was there to pick up her daughter . I’m probably not the best to comment impartially Sorry about your friend, that's tragic! I would have to disagree that the consequences of one form isn't as impactful on the British public. Tell that to the victims of sexual grooming and their families and communities. It is absolutely devastating and destructive and causes havoc on the society and on those girls and boys. Couldn't disagree with you more. But you do acknowledge that the kid was groomed, so she's a victim. There are different types of grooming that produce a different type of victim . The majority of girls groomed into sex come from vulnerable underprivileged backgrounds . They are preyed on for their weakness . Of course it’s horrendous for them and their family members that do actually give a shit . The impact on the British society ? Apart from keeping the Asian grooming gangs in prison and the rehabilitation of a child !! In the other hand you have a 15 yr old that left with two other girls . She wasn’t from a underprivileged background nor was she being abused . She was indoctrinated into a terror group who would lead her to believe that her soul purpose is to produce a stream of little terrorists for the cause and possibly eventually if she’s lucky to slip into Europe and meet her maker in the ISIS way ..... cause and effect ?? I have noted that you live in Edinburgh Is this a hotbed of grooming ? I speak from experience living in and around Rochdale and in my line of work . I’m sorry but two totally different impacts on society . I have worked CSE for many years, there are far more privileged and affluent young girls groomed and exploited than people care to believe because it's easier for people to accept that these things only happen to poor white girls (and boys). She was a victim, there's no 2 ways about it. Who decides that a victim from grooming and exploitation is more of a victim than one who was radicalised and exploited? " Who said anything about putting a rating on this ? I’m saying the two scenarios | |||
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"If she wanted her baby to survive she should have come back to UK when she was pregnant. " She tried | |||
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"Maybe she wasn't really pregnant and it was just a rouse to get back in to the country. Yes she may have been pictured with a baby but was it really her baby?" Yes ! and maybe she just used a cushion and then ate shortbread when we weren't looking. It was really her shortbread though cos I heard she's coming back to go on British Bake Off.. | |||
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"A baby that was named after an Islamic warrior!!!!!! " Jesus. | |||
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"Since paying closer attention to this case, it is my conclusion that she is a victim of child - grooming. She is one of our children who at 15 was lured and exploited online. I cannot wrap my head around the extreme hate and lack of care for her seeing that if it was sexual grooming or a 'grooming gang' we'd all have our tits and bollocks twisted up. We have failed to show how much better we are than the predators who exploited her. Failed to bring her home, out of fear, like fucking cowards. She was our child, unless for some reason you disagree that she was indeed ours. We should have pounced to bring her back to us. "
Or prevented her from going.
She was 15. A British citizen. Where were her family ? The police ? No one protected her.
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"Since paying closer attention to this case, it is my conclusion that she is a victim of child - grooming. She is one of our children who at 15 was lured and exploited online. I cannot wrap my head around the extreme hate and lack of care for her seeing that if it was sexual grooming or a 'grooming gang' we'd all have our tits and bollocks twisted up. We have failed to show how much better we are than the predators who exploited her. Failed to bring her home, out of fear, like fucking cowards. She was our child, unless for some reason you disagree that she was indeed ours. We should have pounced to bring her back to us.
Or prevented her from going.
She was 15. A British citizen. Where were her family ? The police ? No one protected her.
Funny how people want to kill sexual abusers on one thread and yet stone the victims on another."Indeed, prevention is better than cure GC x | |||
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"Ill say what i said on fb why should we care? Yes granted it's very sad to hear the child has died but she deserves no sympathy she chose her life and she should be held responsible for her situation again it is sad news a baby has died but has anyone actually seen this child? " Indeed. Why should anyone care. Nail Hammer Head....... Make sure you don't expect any and you'll be fine. | |||
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"All I can say is it was her fault she chose wrongly nowh 3 of her children are dead. No one is to blame but herself. If she decided not to be an idiot and run away to join a terrorist group and stayed here in the UK, a much more civilized country those kids would be alive today. " No one is to blame but her ? Really ? She started the wars ? She gains financially and politically ? Goodness me i must be stupid. | |||
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"Since paying closer attention to this case, it is my conclusion that she is a victim of child - grooming. She is one of our children who at 15 was lured and exploited online. I cannot wrap my head around the extreme hate and lack of care for her seeing that if it was sexual grooming or a 'grooming gang' we'd all have our tits and bollocks twisted up. We have failed to show how much better we are than the predators who exploited her. Failed to bring her home, out of fear, like fucking cowards. She was our child, unless for some reason you disagree that she was indeed ours. We should have pounced to bring her back to us. Are you suggesting that if she was a (white?) victim of sexual grooming, people wouldn’t be saying she was a worthless whore who deserved all she got? But because she was a young Muslim girl and the nature of the grooming was different, people are treating her quite differently? If she was white and at least middle class perhaps. Sadly even in the Rotherham grooming case half the reason it went on for so long was because the girls were mostly from council estates or in care and social workers and the police were saying the girls were making a "lifestyle choice" to have sex with these older men or have sex in exchange for gifts. They basically thought because they were underprivileged they had "low morals" and disregarded the fact they were still legally children. Sad that we treat our children this way when they come from a lower class. In what way? So are you saying whenever this happens we should just let them back to get on with their lives. Did you see her speak about the Manchester bombing? More needs to be done to stop all this happening in the first place, that’s where the answer lies. Good questions that deserve some thought and consideration. She's been groomed from childhood. That much seems clear. She just may be a bit mentally deficient as well from the looks of it. Rather than 'just let them back to get on with their lives' we should BRING them back and take an active role in deprograming and treatment for the grooming. Good suggestion on stopping it from happening in the first place. Do you think bringing her back she could be instrumental in prevention somehow? I certainly don't have all the answers. " 'Mentally deficient' ..... I think similar every time I see her interview on t.v. though I'd not use those words I get the impression that she'd have quite a low i.q. and not be a great analytical thinker. She doesn't appear 'aware' of her situation in the way i'd expect. | |||
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"A baby that was named after an Islamic warrior!!!!!! Jesus. " He was a Jewish pacifist wasn't he?  | |||
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"A baby that was named after an Islamic warrior!!!!!! Jesus. He was a Jewish pacifist wasn't he? "Maybe. All I know is he hung out with 12 guys and drank wine n ate bread. Got to be a law against it somewhere. | |||
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"Was there an actual baby to start with?? Cynical me, I thought this too, and still think it was an extra wrinkle to add leverage to her claim to come back... and having been binned off I think she's now dumped the story, and whoever's baby it was she was using." Given that many others, presumably almost all male, have returned without all this fuss, why would she need to invent a baby? | |||
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"A baby that was named after an Islamic warrior!!!!!! Jesus. He was a Jewish pacifist wasn't he?
Maybe. All I know is he hung out with 12 guys and drank wine n ate bread. Got to be a law against it somewhere."One dobbed him in because he didn't like what wad being said .. there was a best selling book about it wasn't there? | |||
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"For those on here, saying she an innocent child groomed online. Have you not seen the pics floating round social media, if her father stood at a rally with Micheal Adabowale - The killer of Lee Rigby? I have no sympathy for this girl, her family, or her dead child. Cold hearted? Maybe, but one less future terrorist out there. " That wasn't her father, it was a picture of Abase Hussen who was the father of one of the other girls she fled with, Amira Abase. | |||
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"Since paying closer attention to this case, it is my conclusion that she is a victim of child - grooming. She is one of our children who at 15 was lured and exploited online. I cannot wrap my head around the extreme hate and lack of care for her seeing that if it was sexual grooming or a 'grooming gang' we'd all have our tits and bollocks twisted up. We have failed to show how much better we are than the predators who exploited her. Failed to bring her home, out of fear, like fucking cowards. She was our child, unless for some reason you disagree that she was indeed ours. We should have pounced to bring her back to us.
Or prevented her from going.
She was 15. A British citizen. Where were her family ? The police ? No one protected her.
Funny how people want to kill sexual abusers on one thread and yet stone the victims on another."I would like to know which route she took to get to Syria, what airline / airlines flew her and her friends and if they were accompanied by an adult. Even though most airlines have scrapped unaccompanied minor schemes, teenagers travelling alone to end destination Damascus should have raised a red flag... | |||
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"i think it is interesting how a 15 yr old who was esentially groomed by a terrorist group is being treated compared to a 15 yr old who was groomed by "R.Kelly" for example.... just pointing out the inconsistancy... merely observational...." | |||
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"For those on here, saying she an innocent child groomed online. Have you not seen the pics floating round social media, if her father stood at a rally with Micheal Adabowale - The killer of Lee Rigby? I have no sympathy for this girl, her family, or her dead child. Cold hearted? Maybe, but one less future terrorist out there. That wasn't her father, it was a picture of Abase Hussen who was the father of one of the other girls she fled with, Amira Abase. " Ah my apologies then. Then links I saw labelled him as her father. So it was actually the father of her friend, who lived in the same community? | |||
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"For those on here, saying she an innocent child groomed online. Have you not seen the pics floating round social media, if her father stood at a rally with Micheal Adabowale - The killer of Lee Rigby? I have no sympathy for this girl, her family, or her dead child. Cold hearted? Maybe, but one less future terrorist out there." OMG! What you have said here is exactly as evil and disgusting as ISIS ideology. Incriminating babies? I suspect you are a psychopath or a malignant narcissist or you are dancing in the dark triad just for today. That's very evil and cold. Very disturbing. | |||
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"Since paying closer attention to this case, it is my conclusion that she is a victim of child - grooming. She is one of our children who at 15 was lured and exploited online. I cannot wrap my head around the extreme hate and lack of care for her seeing that if it was sexual grooming or a 'grooming gang' we'd all have our tits and bollocks twisted up. We have failed to show how much better we are than the predators who exploited her. Failed to bring her home, out of fear, like fucking cowards. She was our child, unless for some reason you disagree that she was indeed ours. We should have pounced to bring her back to us.
Or prevented her from going.
She was 15. A British citizen. Where were her family ? The police ? No one protected her.
Funny how people want to kill sexual abusers on one thread and yet stone the victims on another.
I would like to know which route she took to get to Syria, what airline / airlines flew her and her friends and if they were accompanied by an adult.
Even though most airlines have scrapped unaccompanied minor schemes, teenagers travelling alone to end destination Damascus should have raised a red flag... "She used her sisters passport to travel, so using that she wouldn't have been classed a minor so no reason for them to be checking on her. | |||
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"I dont care about her babies dying, she was figthing to bring that level of health care to the UK/the west, she was fighting so gay people in the UK could be thrown off roofs. You have to be a real snow flake to feel anything close to sympathy for her." The irony is, you're the same as her - uncaring about your fellow man. I have little sympathy for people who leave the comfort of their home and this country and go off to places like Syria to follow some bizarre ideal. I have lost a child, and can't relate to her coldness and indifference to her previous dead children. But these children had no say in who they were born to, and just like Baby P the human response would be to feel sorry for the child, who had no say - her I could care less about if I'm honest. The way we are going - heaven help us all. | |||
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"For those on here, saying she an innocent child groomed online. Have you not seen the pics floating round social media, if her father stood at a rally with Micheal Adabowale - The killer of Lee Rigby? I have no sympathy for this girl, her family, or her dead child. Cold hearted? Maybe, but one less future terrorist out there. That wasn't her father, it was a picture of Abase Hussen who was the father of one of the other girls she fled with, Amira Abase. Ah my apologies then. Then links I saw labelled him as her father. So it was actually the father of her friend, who lived in the same community? " As far as I'm aware yes x | |||
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"i think it is interesting how a 15 yr old who was esentially groomed by a terrorist group is being treated compared to a 15 yr old who was groomed by "R.Kelly" for example.... just pointing out the inconsistancy... merely observational...." Except she wasn't groomed. They didn't contact her. She researched them herself then planned with her friends to go there of her own free will. No one forced her. No one promised her anything or made threats. She was very aware of what the group were capable of before she went. A bit of a difference to an accused child rapist who specifically targeted young girls and used his fame to manipulate them. | |||
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"Funny how people want to kill sexual abusers on one thread and yet stone the victims on another." They both transitioned from abuse victim to abuser so its pretty obvious why people would treat them both with disdain. I'm sure these people keep their sympathy for the people who are victims and keep on the right track after, instead of handing it out like candy to child abusers and terrorists. | |||
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"Do we know for a fact she was groomed? Why can’t it be accepted that sometimes people are sympathisers with a cause? Why is it always being groomed, as though they didn’t have any choice or conviction to do what they do? Confusing. " I think maybe the way to look at is to take a step back, and think is travelling to somewhere like Syria to join an extremist, bloodthirsty terrorist organisation the sort of decision any reasonable, rational 15 year old would make, without having been fed some sort of bullshit either verbally or online? I would say probably not. In which case the question becomes why? What happened exactly that makes a 15 year old British girl decide to do something like that? | |||
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"Do we know for a fact she was groomed? Why can’t it be accepted that sometimes people are sympathisers with a cause? Why is it always being groomed, as though they didn’t have any choice or conviction to do what they do? Confusing. I think maybe the way to look at is to take a step back, and think is travelling to somewhere like Syria to join an extremist, bloodthirsty terrorist organisation the sort of decision any reasonable, rational 15 year old would make, without having been fed some sort of bullshit either verbally or online? I would say probably not. In which case the question becomes why? What happened exactly that makes a 15 year old British girl decide to do something like that?" Well said. | |||
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"i think it is interesting how a 15 yr old who was esentially groomed by a terrorist group is being treated compared to a 15 yr old who was groomed by "R.Kelly" for example.... just pointing out the inconsistancy... merely observational...." That 15 yr old wasn’t groomed though. She went online of her own free will because she was interested in exploring her sexuality and wasn’t threatened by anyone. That she happened to stumble across R Kelly, and was fed a load of BS was entirely her own doing, and wouldn’t have happened if she had shown more sense with her decisions to look at stuff online.... | |||
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"Do we know for a fact she was groomed? Why can’t it be accepted that sometimes people are sympathisers with a cause? Why is it always being groomed, as though they didn’t have any choice or conviction to do what they do? Confusing. I think maybe the way to look at is to take a step back, and think is travelling to somewhere like Syria to join an extremist, bloodthirsty terrorist organisation the sort of decision any reasonable, rational 15 year old would make, without having been fed some sort of bullshit either verbally or online? I would say probably not. In which case the question becomes why? What happened exactly that makes a 15 year old British girl decide to do something like that?" Very well said. If we were talking about a 15 year old running away to be with a 60 year old man would everyone be so keen to say that she made her choice or would we assume she had been groomed? 15 year olds aren't particularly known for being reasonable or rational. V x | |||
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"Are the sins of the parent inherited by the baby? Is there some genetic disposition that says the baby bears the blame of the person who birthed them? Whatever people think about the mother the tragic part is a baby died. An innocent light was snuffed out before having the chance to be truly alive. I have my opinions on the mother and the situation but all I can think about in this situation is another dead child which is truly a deafening tragedy. And the comments in the media? Fuck them! There are avenues to guarantee a baby born a higher quality of life especially if it's in the best interests of the child. I had three minutes with mine and I'll be damned if I accept at anytime that a baby dying could be for the best. My opinion. Sorry for the meander " I'm sorry for your loss | |||
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"Are the sins of the parent inherited by the baby? Is there some genetic disposition that says the baby bears the blame of the person who birthed them? Whatever people think about the mother the tragic part is a baby died. An innocent light was snuffed out before having the chance to be truly alive. I have my opinions on the mother and the situation but all I can think about in this situation is another dead child which is truly a deafening tragedy. And the comments in the media? Fuck them! There are avenues to guarantee a baby born a higher quality of life especially if it's in the best interests of the child. I had three minutes with mine and I'll be damned if I accept at anytime that a baby dying could be for the best. My opinion. Sorry for the meander " Exactly. I don't know why, if she had any concern for the child, she didn't give it up to the red cross. But then she couldn't have used it as a bargaining chip... | |||
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"Do we know for a fact she was groomed? Why can’t it be accepted that sometimes people are sympathisers with a cause? Why is it always being groomed, as though they didn’t have any choice or conviction to do what they do? Confusing. I think maybe the way to look at is to take a step back, and think is travelling to somewhere like Syria to join an extremist, bloodthirsty terrorist organisation the sort of decision any reasonable, rational 15 year old would make, without having been fed some sort of bullshit either verbally or online? I would say probably not. In which case the question becomes why? What happened exactly that makes a 15 year old British girl decide to do something like that? Very well said. If we were talking about a 15 year old running away to be with a 60 year old man would everyone be so keen to say that she made her choice or would we assume she had been groomed? 15 year olds aren't particularly known for being reasonable or rational. V x" But Apparently teenagers similar to her should be given the vote. You can't have it all ways. | |||
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"Are the sins of the parent inherited by the baby? Is there some genetic disposition that says the baby bears the blame of the person who birthed them? Whatever people think about the mother the tragic part is a baby died. An innocent light was snuffed out before having the chance to be truly alive. I have my opinions on the mother and the situation but all I can think about in this situation is another dead child which is truly a deafening tragedy. And the comments in the media? Fuck them! There are avenues to guarantee a baby born a higher quality of life especially if it's in the best interests of the child. I had three minutes with mine and I'll be damned if I accept at anytime that a baby dying could be for the best. My opinion. Sorry for the meander I'm sorry for your loss "Ty sorry I dropped it in there really, just got a touch overzealous lol I'm in the fab lounge now getting virtually d*unk whilst awaiting the group to finish getting ready in my bathroom lol | |||
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"Are the sins of the parent inherited by the baby? Is there some genetic disposition that says the baby bears the blame of the person who birthed them? Whatever people think about the mother the tragic part is a baby died. An innocent light was snuffed out before having the chance to be truly alive. I have my opinions on the mother and the situation but all I can think about in this situation is another dead child which is truly a deafening tragedy. And the comments in the media? Fuck them! There are avenues to guarantee a baby born a higher quality of life especially if it's in the best interests of the child. I had three minutes with mine and I'll be damned if I accept at anytime that a baby dying could be for the best. My opinion. Sorry for the meander Exactly. I don't know why, if she had any concern for the child, she didn't give it up to the red cross. But then she couldn't have used it as a bargaining chip..." Very true and that boils my piss. Children should never be bargaining chips. | |||
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"Are the sins of the parent inherited by the baby? Is there some genetic disposition that says the baby bears the blame of the person who birthed them? Whatever people think about the mother the tragic part is a baby died. An innocent light was snuffed out before having the chance to be truly alive. I have my opinions on the mother and the situation but all I can think about in this situation is another dead child which is truly a deafening tragedy. And the comments in the media? Fuck them! There are avenues to guarantee a baby born a higher quality of life especially if it's in the best interests of the child. I had three minutes with mine and I'll be damned if I accept at anytime that a baby dying could be for the best. My opinion. Sorry for the meander Exactly. I don't know why, if she had any concern for the child, she didn't give it up to the red cross. But then she couldn't have used it as a bargaining chip..." What bargain was she seeking with the baby? | |||
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"Do we know for a fact she was groomed? Why can’t it be accepted that sometimes people are sympathisers with a cause? Why is it always being groomed, as though they didn’t have any choice or conviction to do what they do? Confusing. I think maybe the way to look at is to take a step back, and think is travelling to somewhere like Syria to join an extremist, bloodthirsty terrorist organisation the sort of decision any reasonable, rational 15 year old would make, without having been fed some sort of bullshit either verbally or online? I would say probably not. In which case the question becomes why? What happened exactly that makes a 15 year old British girl decide to do something like that? Very well said. If we were talking about a 15 year old running away to be with a 60 year old man would everyone be so keen to say that she made her choice or would we assume she had been groomed? 15 year olds aren't particularly known for being reasonable or rational. V x But Apparently teenagers similar to her should be given the vote. You can't have it all ways. " Unless Wade and Vanessa said that, they’re not trying to have anything both ways. Either way, I would question whether or not voting, based on the policies of British political parties is as irrational as running away to join ISIS. | |||
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"Mybe a future isis bomber she choose that life fuck her what about the people they killed they didn’t have a choice " Or maybe a future doctor who would have never shared the same fucked up views as the brainwashed mother. What people did that baby kill that makes his death ok. | |||
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"A sad situation but not the only baby to die in that camp this week surely one of those children and its mother was more deserving. " More deserving of what? | |||
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"Are the sins of the parent inherited by the baby? Is there some genetic disposition that says the baby bears the blame of the person who birthed them? Whatever people think about the mother the tragic part is a baby died. An innocent light was snuffed out before having the chance to be truly alive. I have my opinions on the mother and the situation but all I can think about in this situation is another dead child which is truly a deafening tragedy. And the comments in the media? Fuck them! There are avenues to guarantee a baby born a higher quality of life especially if it's in the best interests of the child. I had three minutes with mine and I'll be damned if I accept at anytime that a baby dying could be for the best. My opinion. Sorry for the meander Exactly. I don't know why, if she had any concern for the child, she didn't give it up to the red cross. But then she couldn't have used it as a bargaining chip... What bargain was she seeking with the baby? " Hmmmmm, maybe you haven't heard? She was trying to secure safe passage for herself back to the uk, and we hadn't heard of her until it turned out she was expecting.... so.... | |||
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"Do we know for a fact she was groomed? Why can’t it be accepted that sometimes people are sympathisers with a cause? Why is it always being groomed, as though they didn’t have any choice or conviction to do what they do? Confusing. I think maybe the way to look at is to take a step back, and think is travelling to somewhere like Syria to join an extremist, bloodthirsty terrorist organisation the sort of decision any reasonable, rational 15 year old would make, without having been fed some sort of bullshit either verbally or online? I would say probably not. In which case the question becomes why? What happened exactly that makes a 15 year old British girl decide to do something like that? Very well said. If we were talking about a 15 year old running away to be with a 60 year old man would everyone be so keen to say that she made her choice or would we assume she had been groomed? 15 year olds aren't particularly known for being reasonable or rational. V x But Apparently teenagers similar to her should be given the vote. You can't have it all ways. Unless Wade and Vanessa said that, they’re not trying to have anything both ways. Either way, I would question whether or not voting, based on the policies of British political parties is as irrational as running away to join ISIS." Well of course you would, and literally no-one is surprised by that. | |||
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"Do we know for a fact she was groomed? Why can’t it be accepted that sometimes people are sympathisers with a cause? Why is it always being groomed, as though they didn’t have any choice or conviction to do what they do? Confusing. I think maybe the way to look at is to take a step back, and think is travelling to somewhere like Syria to join an extremist, bloodthirsty terrorist organisation the sort of decision any reasonable, rational 15 year old would make, without having been fed some sort of bullshit either verbally or online? I would say probably not. In which case the question becomes why? What happened exactly that makes a 15 year old British girl decide to do something like that? Very well said. If we were talking about a 15 year old running away to be with a 60 year old man would everyone be so keen to say that she made her choice or would we assume she had been groomed? 15 year olds aren't particularly known for being reasonable or rational. V x But Apparently teenagers similar to her should be given the vote. You can't have it all ways. Unless Wade and Vanessa said that, they’re not trying to have anything both ways. Either way, I would question whether or not voting, based on the policies of British political parties is as irrational as running away to join ISIS. Well of course you would, and literally no-one is surprised by that. " Meaning what exactly? That you disagree, and to the best of your knowledge, literally everyone else does too? | |||
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"Do we know for a fact she was groomed? Why can’t it be accepted that sometimes people are sympathisers with a cause? Why is it always being groomed, as though they didn’t have any choice or conviction to do what they do? Confusing. I think maybe the way to look at is to take a step back, and think is travelling to somewhere like Syria to join an extremist, bloodthirsty terrorist organisation the sort of decision any reasonable, rational 15 year old would make, without having been fed some sort of bullshit either verbally or online? I would say probably not. In which case the question becomes why? What happened exactly that makes a 15 year old British girl decide to do something like that? Very well said. If we were talking about a 15 year old running away to be with a 60 year old man would everyone be so keen to say that she made her choice or would we assume she had been groomed? 15 year olds aren't particularly known for being reasonable or rational. V x But Apparently teenagers similar to her should be given the vote. You can't have it all ways. " I don't agree with 15 year olds voting. Never said I did. Your point is more than a little off here... V x | |||
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"Just think everyone has far too much to say about something which, frankly, we all know very little about i.e. actual facts wise. As for the political game playing by Labour - extremely distasteful but not unexpected. They've almost gone back to being the "loony left" and will never get into power again if they carry on as they are. Arseholes and bigots the lot of them (and similar with politicians of all the other parties). We really do need some radical change e.g. you must have some really decent formal qualifications to be an MP - half of them have the fucking IQ of a beansprout" Imagine how dumb the people are who voted for them... | |||
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"Imagine how dumb the people are who voted for them..." Correct - I only vote for people I have researched properly and whi I think are capable of doing their job - unfortunately they are also attached to some second class political party - our democracy is in the worst stae it has ever been in - like most other things, it's been "dumbed down". | |||
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"Imagine how dumb the people are who voted for them... Correct - I only vote for people I have researched properly and whi I think are capable of doing their job - unfortunately they are also attached to some second class political party - our democracy is in the worst stae it has ever been in - like most other things, it's been "dumbed down"." I've almost never voted for anybody that I have any interest or faith in because the system we have means there is only ever one likely winning candidate in a rural seat in England. Meaning at best I get to make a protest vote, knowing it will make no difference to the outcome whatsoever. | |||
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"This isn’t the first child she has had that ‘died’ and I question why? Because there is no clean water or toilets or medicine in the refugee camp. No formula milk and she can't produce enough breast milk ?" The other two died before she was in the refugee camp | |||
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"Just think everyone has far too much to say about something which, frankly, we all know very little about i.e. actual facts wise. As for the political game playing by Labour - extremely distasteful but not unexpected. They've almost gone back to being the "loony left" and will never get into power again if they carry on as they are. Arseholes and bigots the lot of them (and similar with politicians of all the other parties). We really do need some radical change e.g. you must have some really decent formal qualifications to be an MP - half of them have the fucking IQ of a beansprout" Well we pay them fuck all anyone with any brains goes into business and makes more money without being a hate figure | |||
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"Are the sins of the parent inherited by the baby? Is there some genetic disposition that says the baby bears the blame of the person who birthed them? Whatever people think about the mother the tragic part is a baby died. An innocent light was snuffed out before having the chance to be truly alive. I have my opinions on the mother and the situation but all I can think about in this situation is another dead child which is truly a deafening tragedy. And the comments in the media? Fuck them! There are avenues to guarantee a baby born a higher quality of life especially if it's in the best interests of the child. I had three minutes with mine and I'll be damned if I accept at anytime that a baby dying could be for the best. My opinion. Sorry for the meander Exactly. I don't know why, if she had any concern for the child, she didn't give it up to the red cross. But then she couldn't have used it as a bargaining chip... What bargain was she seeking with the baby? Hmmmmm, maybe you haven't heard? She was trying to secure safe passage for herself back to the uk, and we hadn't heard of her until it turned out she was expecting.... so.... " I didn’t realise we hadn’t heard of her. Hey thought she was British? I also thought plenty of other people had returned without all this stuff about having their citizenship revoked, or having to pretend to have a baby to come back. | |||
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"Do we know for a fact she was groomed? Why can’t it be accepted that sometimes people are sympathisers with a cause? Why is it always being groomed, as though they didn’t have any choice or conviction to do what they do? Confusing. I think maybe the way to look at is to take a step back, and think is travelling to somewhere like Syria to join an extremist, bloodthirsty terrorist organisation the sort of decision any reasonable, rational 15 year old would make, without having been fed some sort of bullshit either verbally or online? I would say probably not. In which case the question becomes why? What happened exactly that makes a 15 year old British girl decide to do something like that? Very well said. If we were talking about a 15 year old running away to be with a 60 year old man would everyone be so keen to say that she made her choice or would we assume she had been groomed? 15 year olds aren't particularly known for being reasonable or rational. V x But Apparently teenagers similar to her should be given the vote. You can't have it all ways. I don't agree with 15 year olds voting. Never said I did. Your point is more than a little off here... V x" Maybe someone from the loonie left mentioned it once, there’s a possibility you are part of this loonie left, so *you* refers to the loonie left you’re maybe part of. Or something. Dunno, it’s confusing. | |||
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