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Is radical feminism destroying the meaning of feminism?
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I reckon there are two types of feminists, the radical ones which I mentioned in the jackson thread that is doing the man hunting, then there is the good ones that stand for equality, whats your view? |
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Not just feminists, but all extreme “woke” types can cause more damage to their cause than more moderate types. Being offended by EVERYTHING starts to be boring and people shut off from it.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Not just feminists, but all extreme “woke” types can cause more damage to their cause than more moderate types. Being offended by EVERYTHING starts to be boring and people shut off from it.
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That is right  |
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The world and all the people who have made it this way is ridiculous! Women are now involved with MOVEMBER! Its a mans thing jesus christ the worlds gone insane |
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"The world and all the people who have made it this way is ridiculous! Women are now involved with MOVEMBER! Its a mans thing jesus christ the worlds gone insane"
But we don't get a grow a moustache for charity day, and I have a lovely tache  |
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"The world and all the people who have made it this way is ridiculous! Women are now involved with MOVEMBER! Its a mans thing jesus christ the worlds gone insane
But we don't get a grow a moustache for charity day, and I have a lovely tache "
I usually remove mine. Suppose men had better stop being involved in breast cancer charities then? |
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I’m def not a feminist! I don’t believe men and women are equal! Each gender has their own unique set of qualities which should be recognised and respected!
Sometimes it feels the world has gone mad and everything goes too far!
Sauce x |
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"The world and all the people who have made it this way is ridiculous! Women are now involved with MOVEMBER! Its a mans thing jesus christ the worlds gone insane
But we don't get a grow a moustache for charity day, and I have a lovely tache
I usually remove mine. Suppose men had better stop being involved in breast cancer charities then?"
Men can get breast cancer. |
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Feminism has always primarily been about equality and also a broad church. It's not a constrained movement, such as a political party, that has terms of reference and goals, agreed as a collective. It's a movement that encompasses the rights and needs of women worldwide - who are each unique and where their local country's environment differs from others around the globe. Feminism isn't eclusive to woman - any person may be a feminist.
It's unrealistic to expect any global array of people, without an organising central point, to adhere to any single vision. As citizens, our perspectives are massaged by the media around us - we get our ideas and views formed through the actions of the media environment. In the west, much of our media has a very right wing perspective and it invests money to influence you to buy into that perspective too. Its influence isn't exclusive to limiting the power of feminist movements but is also rooted in an older male-dominated ethos, which feminism challenges. You will be unlikely to see that the salaries paid by these right wing media corporations demonstrate full equality - don't be surprised!
If you primarily belive in equality for all, that all people have equal value (not just a financial value!), then you be happy for core feminist principles to apply. |
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"The world and all the people who have made it this way is ridiculous! Women are now involved with MOVEMBER! Its a mans thing jesus christ the worlds gone insane
But we don't get a grow a moustache for charity day, and I have a lovely tache
I usually remove mine. Suppose men had better stop being involved in breast cancer charities then?
Men can get breast cancer. "
Yes it was sarcasm.
Just because someone supports a cause it doesn't mean they have to be what that cause represents either. |
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"The world and all the people who have made it this way is ridiculous! Women are now involved with MOVEMBER! Its a mans thing jesus christ the worlds gone insane
But we don't get a grow a moustache for charity day, and I have a lovely tache
I usually remove mine. Suppose men had better stop being involved in breast cancer charities then?"
I want a reason to grow mine and look all sexy  |
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"The world and all the people who have made it this way is ridiculous! Women are now involved with MOVEMBER! Its a mans thing jesus christ the worlds gone insane
But we don't get a grow a moustache for charity day, and I have a lovely tache
I usually remove mine. Suppose men had better stop being involved in breast cancer charities then?
I want a reason to grow mine and look all sexy "
I like goatees.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I’m def not a feminist! I don’t believe men and women are equal! Each gender has their own unique set of qualities which should be recognised and respected!
Sometimes it feels the world has gone mad and everything goes too far!
Sauce x"
Absolutely agree, whilst I think it’s important to have independence it’s not “weak” to be old-school x |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I’m def not a feminist! I don’t believe men and women are equal! Each gender has their own unique set of qualities which should be recognised and respected!
Sometimes it feels the world has gone mad and everything goes too far!
Sauce x
Absolutely agree, whilst I think it’s important to have independence it’s not “weak” to be old-school x "
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"The world and all the people who have made it this way is ridiculous! Women are now involved with MOVEMBER! Its a mans thing jesus christ the worlds gone insane
But we don't get a grow a moustache for charity day, and I have a lovely tache
I usually remove mine. Suppose men had better stop being involved in breast cancer charities then?
Men can get breast cancer.
Yes it was sarcasm.
Just because someone supports a cause it doesn't mean they have to be what that cause represents either. "
I think the issue is that thw women getting involved are trying to change the event.
Feom Mo-vember move-ember and some are even trying to take the focus from prostate cancer to things like excercise and movement to fit in with thier new silly name
It would.be like a bunch kf men turning up to a breast cancer run with go karts and collecting money for a completley unrelated cause |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The world and all the people who have made it this way is ridiculous! Women are now involved with MOVEMBER! Its a mans thing jesus christ the worlds gone insane
But we don't get a grow a moustache for charity day, and I have a lovely tache
I usually remove mine. Suppose men had better stop being involved in breast cancer charities then?
Men can get breast cancer.
Yes it was sarcasm.
Just because someone supports a cause it doesn't mean they have to be what that cause represents either.
I think the issue is that thw women getting involved are trying to change the event.
Feom Mo-vember move-ember and some are even trying to take the focus from prostate cancer to things like excercise and movement to fit in with thier new silly name
It would.be like a bunch kf men turning up to a breast cancer run with go karts and collecting money for a completley unrelated cause "
That's interesting. I didn't know that. |
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"The world and all the people who have made it this way is ridiculous! Women are now involved with MOVEMBER! Its a mans thing jesus christ the worlds gone insane
But we don't get a grow a moustache for charity day, and I have a lovely tache
I usually remove mine. Suppose men had better stop being involved in breast cancer charities then?
Men can get breast cancer.
Yes it was sarcasm.
Just because someone supports a cause it doesn't mean they have to be what that cause represents either.
I think the issue is that thw women getting involved are trying to change the event.
Feom Mo-vember move-ember and some are even trying to take the focus from prostate cancer to things like excercise and movement to fit in with thier new silly name
It would.be like a bunch kf men turning up to a breast cancer run with go karts and collecting money for a completley unrelated cause "
Hadn't heard of this either so i googleda nd all i can find is people doing spnsored walks and biscuit making to support mens causes like suicide prevention and testicular cancer. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The world and all the people who have made it this way is ridiculous! Women are now involved with MOVEMBER! Its a mans thing jesus christ the worlds gone insane
But we don't get a grow a moustache for charity day, and I have a lovely tache
I usually remove mine. Suppose men had better stop being involved in breast cancer charities then?"
Not that, but for how many years has walk for life been women only! Thousands more could have been raised by letting men do it, only now in 2019 are men allowed to join in,
This day an age being a white british male = minority haha |
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"I reckon there are two types of feminists, the radical ones which I mentioned in the jackson thread that is doing the man hunting, then there is the good ones that stand for equality, whats your view?"
There’s extremes in all walks of life unfortunately. But I will say this; I see more people kicking off about an article about how Santa should be gender fluid, than I actually saw ANYONE mention that at all. It’s mostly media hype. So many articles are written about what ‘feminists want’ and yet, I haven’t seen any that have said ‘oh you know what I want, it should be snowperson not snowman.’
I’m proud to be a feminist, I’m proud to be married to a feminist, I will raise my children to be feminists and I am proud of the children I work with who tell me they are a feminist (one wee girl in particular takes part in the youth parliament and is very very outspoken for her age).
If that puts people off me I don’t care.
There shouldn’t be ‘man bashing’ but sometimes if a man fucks up or does something, others can’t handle it and claim ‘oh you hate men’. Nope. I hate that man. I hate men who abuse. I hate women who abuse. I hate anyone that abuses. I hate a lot of things, but never a single gender.
Its weird. I know what I’m trying to say but I can’t quite word it properly. I haven’t read the comments above me but hopefully someone more intelligent and more articulate has been able to word what I want to say. But no doubt there will be some comments saying feminists hate men, which is why I haven’t bothered to read the replies yet.
All men shouldn’t be punished for the acts of a few, but need to realise this ‘not all men!’ does not help the situation whatsoever.
Fight for equality.
Britain is yet to have full equality. I read an article a few weeks ago (I’ll try find the link) on how there are only three countries in the world with true gender equality, and Britain and America are not in that top three (I can’t remember where they scored). There are so many poor countries out there where it is awful for women, those counties need more focus BUT ours could and needs to improve as well.
True feminists want equality and some folk can’t handle that. I’ll probably not reply to anything else on this post because I’ll get wound up.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The world and all the people who have made it this way is ridiculous! Women are now involved with MOVEMBER! Its a mans thing jesus christ the worlds gone insane
But we don't get a grow a moustache for charity day, and I have a lovely tache
I usually remove mine. Suppose men had better stop being involved in breast cancer charities then?"
Ffs men can get breast cancer too |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Best one ive seen was the feminist talk head cathy "women are the minority, even though we're the majority, because its still white men in power. So no we cant be sexist"
While saying sexist comments and acrions should be felony jailable offences but this judgement should be made by the female.victim. when asked what abour holding the door open or not holding it open for a woman should that have a man sent to jail she said it would depend if the woman was offended.
Seriously high level national tv feminist experts want men to go to jail on the gamble of if they shpuld open the door or not for that particular woman.
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By (user no longer on site)
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I'm a feminist in such that I believe we are all equal... equal pay for equal skills, an equal voice regarding any matter etc. Our contribution to society and life as a whole should not diminish dependant upon gender.
My opinion of Michael Jackson isn't gender specific.
I'm proud to be a woman, but I think that stems from the fact I'm proud of who I am as a person.
I'm also proud of my son, for who he is and all he is about...it basically boils down to treating people fairly, not being a dick, and having a decent outlook on people in general
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"I’m def not a feminist! I don’t believe men and women are equal! Each gender has their own unique set of qualities which should be recognised and respected!
Sometimes it feels the world has gone mad and everything goes too far!
Sauce x"
You're confusing equal as an adjective with equal as a noun. |
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"I’m old school
In the words of the late great Artist formerly known as Prince...
Gett off
Let a woman be a woman and a man be a man "
I have no idea what you mean by 'old school' but I can tell you that feminism does not ask men to be women nor women to be men. |
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"I’m old school
In the words of the late great Artist formerly known as Prince...
Gett off
Let a woman be a woman and a man be a man
I have no idea what you mean by 'old school' but I can tell you that feminism does not ask men to be women nor women to be men. "
No it currently asks for women to be children given all tbe rights but non of the responsibilities of being an adult |
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By *stellaWoman
over a year ago
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"I’m old school
In the words of the late great Artist formerly known as Prince...
Gett off
Let a woman be a woman and a man be a man
I have no idea what you mean by 'old school' but I can tell you that feminism does not ask men to be women nor women to be men. "
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By *stellaWoman
over a year ago
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"I’m old school
In the words of the late great Artist formerly known as Prince...
Gett off
Let a woman be a woman and a man be a man
I have no idea what you mean by 'old school' but I can tell you that feminism does not ask men to be women nor women to be men.
No it currently asks for women to be children given all tbe rights but non of the responsibilities of being an adult"
Except it doesn’t. |
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"I’m old school
In the words of the late great Artist formerly known as Prince...
Gett off
Let a woman be a woman and a man be a man
I have no idea what you mean by 'old school' but I can tell you that feminism does not ask men to be women nor women to be men.
No it currently asks for women to be children given all tbe rights but non of the responsibilities of being an adult"
New to me. Can you reference that for me? I'd like to read it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I’m old school
In the words of the late great Artist formerly known as Prince...
Gett off
Let a woman be a woman and a man be a man
I have no idea what you mean by 'old school' but I can tell you that feminism does not ask men to be women nor women to be men.
No it currently asks for women to be children given all tbe rights but non of the responsibilities of being an adult
New to me. Can you reference that for me? I'd like to read it."
Yep sure the video link above.
Feminist literally wants sexism laws that only apply to men not women because "women despite being the majority are the minority" |
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"I’m old school
In the words of the late great Artist formerly known as Prince...
Gett off
Let a woman be a woman and a man be a man
I have no idea what you mean by 'old school' but I can tell you that feminism does not ask men to be women nor women to be men.
No it currently asks for women to be children given all tbe rights but non of the responsibilities of being an adult
Except it doesn’t. "
Watch the video thats literally what shes asking for |
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"I’m old school
In the words of the late great Artist formerly known as Prince...
Gett off
Let a woman be a woman and a man be a man
I have no idea what you mean by 'old school' but I can tell you that feminism does not ask men to be women nor women to be men.
No it currently asks for women to be children given all tbe rights but non of the responsibilities of being an adult"
Which branch of feminism are you specifically referring to? As a feminist myself I don't recognise what you are describing. |
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"I’m old school
In the words of the late great Artist formerly known as Prince...
Gett off
Let a woman be a woman and a man be a man
I have no idea what you mean by 'old school' but I can tell you that feminism does not ask men to be women nor women to be men.
No it currently asks for women to be children given all tbe rights but non of the responsibilities of being an adult
Which branch of feminism are you specifically referring to? As a feminist myself I don't recognise what you are describing. "
3rd wave mostly american feminsim.as seen in the video above.
Or as seen in labour party where only women can apply for certain jobs. |
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"I’m old school
In the words of the late great Artist formerly known as Prince...
Gett off
Let a woman be a woman and a man be a man
I have no idea what you mean by 'old school' but I can tell you that feminism does not ask men to be women nor women to be men.
No it currently asks for women to be children given all tbe rights but non of the responsibilities of being an adult
Which branch of feminism are you specifically referring to? As a feminist myself I don't recognise what you are describing.
3rd wave mostly american feminsim.as seen in the video above.
Or as seen in labour party where only women can apply for certain jobs."
That video only represents a very small minority of feminists. I assume you are referring to the role of Women's Officer within The Labour Party? |
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"I’m old school
In the words of the late great Artist formerly known as Prince...
Gett off
Let a woman be a woman and a man be a man
I have no idea what you mean by 'old school' but I can tell you that feminism does not ask men to be women nor women to be men.
No it currently asks for women to be children given all tbe rights but non of the responsibilities of being an adult
Which branch of feminism are you specifically referring to? As a feminist myself I don't recognise what you are describing.
3rd wave mostly american feminsim.as seen in the video above.
Or as seen in labour party where only women can apply for certain jobs.
That video only represents a very small minority of feminists. I assume you are referring to the role of Women's Officer within The Labour Party? "
No im refereeing to thier policy of all women short lists for candidates to run for mps for instance in 1997 labour used all women short lists for half of its seats.
Personally i would never apply for a job that excluded people because of thier protected characteristics. And i think most decent people wouldn't either wich may explain the awful show of female mps in the labour party as only people with no morals end up in those roles.
Its also interesting that the party that runs women only shortlists has never even had a female.leader but the party that runs on merit has had 2 female prime ministers .
It was fpund to be illegal but after that the number of women mps fell when ir went back to merit so it got a bypas in the equality bill and now sexual discrimination is legal for political candidate selection til 2030 when ir again becomes illegal under the sex discrimination act.
Aprox 50% of female mps elected go there because they were on labour/ lib dem all women short lists with men excluded
And it may be a small part but it is the loud part that is writing policy these days |
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"I’m old school
In the words of the late great Artist formerly known as Prince...
Gett off
Let a woman be a woman and a man be a man
I have no idea what you mean by 'old school' but I can tell you that feminism does not ask men to be women nor women to be men.
No it currently asks for women to be children given all tbe rights but non of the responsibilities of being an adult
Which branch of feminism are you specifically referring to? As a feminist myself I don't recognise what you are describing.
3rd wave mostly american feminsim.as seen in the video above.
Or as seen in labour party where only women can apply for certain jobs.
That video only represents a very small minority of feminists. I assume you are referring to the role of Women's Officer within The Labour Party?
No im refereeing to thier policy of all women short lists for candidates to run for mps for instance in 1997 labour used all women short lists for half of its seats.
Personally i would never apply for a job that excluded people because of thier protected characteristics. And i think most decent people wouldn't either wich may explain the awful show of female mps in the labour party as only people with no morals end up in those roles.
Its also interesting that the party that runs women only shortlists has never even had a female.leader but the party that runs on merit has had 2 female prime ministers .
It was fpund to be illegal but after that the number of women mps fell when ir went back to merit so it got a bypas in the equality bill and now sexual discrimination is legal for political candidate selection til 2030 when ir again becomes illegal under the sex discrimination act.
Aprox 50% of female mps elected go there because they were on labour/ lib dem all women short lists with men excluded
And it may be a small part but it is the loud part that is writing policy these days"
Perhaps labour have questionable policies, irrespective of male / female MPs.... But that's another thread. |
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"I’m old school
In the words of the late great Artist formerly known as Prince...
Gett off
Let a woman be a woman and a man be a man
I have no idea what you mean by 'old school' but I can tell you that feminism does not ask men to be women nor women to be men.
No it currently asks for women to be children given all tbe rights but non of the responsibilities of being an adult
Which branch of feminism are you specifically referring to? As a feminist myself I don't recognise what you are describing.
3rd wave mostly american feminsim.as seen in the video above.
Or as seen in labour party where only women can apply for certain jobs.
That video only represents a very small minority of feminists. I assume you are referring to the role of Women's Officer within The Labour Party?
No im refereeing to thier policy of all women short lists for candidates to run for mps for instance in 1997 labour used all women short lists for half of its seats.
Personally i would never apply for a job that excluded people because of thier protected characteristics. And i think most decent people wouldn't either wich may explain the awful show of female mps in the labour party as only people with no morals end up in those roles.
Its also interesting that the party that runs women only shortlists has never even had a female.leader but the party that runs on merit has had 2 female prime ministers .
It was fpund to be illegal but after that the number of women mps fell when ir went back to merit so it got a bypas in the equality bill and now sexual discrimination is legal for political candidate selection til 2030 when ir again becomes illegal under the sex discrimination act.
Aprox 50% of female mps elected go there because they were on labour/ lib dem all women short lists with men excluded
And it may be a small part but it is the loud part that is writing policy these days"
That's interesting. I'm not a Labour voter and was unaware of their quotas.
Regarding the woman in the video, in all liklihood she was chosen to speak purely because her opinion is so extreme, in a 'come and look at the crazy' sense. That news channel wasn't interested in trying to understand what happened in Belgium, only in deliberately misrepresenting an issue by ignoring any number of less extreme feminist ideologies and going for the most batshit they could find. I cannot identify with her at all and I'm angry but not surprised at the news channel's agenda. |
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"I’m old school
In the words of the late great Artist formerly known as Prince...
Gett off
Let a woman be a woman and a man be a man
I have no idea what you mean by 'old school' but I can tell you that feminism does not ask men to be women nor women to be men.
No it currently asks for women to be children given all tbe rights but non of the responsibilities of being an adult
Which branch of feminism are you specifically referring to? As a feminist myself I don't recognise what you are describing.
3rd wave mostly american feminsim.as seen in the video above.
Or as seen in labour party where only women can apply for certain jobs.
That video only represents a very small minority of feminists. I assume you are referring to the role of Women's Officer within The Labour Party?
No im refereeing to thier policy of all women short lists for candidates to run for mps for instance in 1997 labour used all women short lists for half of its seats.
Personally i would never apply for a job that excluded people because of thier protected characteristics. And i think most decent people wouldn't either wich may explain the awful show of female mps in the labour party as only people with no morals end up in those roles.
Its also interesting that the party that runs women only shortlists has never even had a female.leader but the party that runs on merit has had 2 female prime ministers .
It was fpund to be illegal but after that the number of women mps fell when ir went back to merit so it got a bypas in the equality bill and now sexual discrimination is legal for political candidate selection til 2030 when ir again becomes illegal under the sex discrimination act.
Aprox 50% of female mps elected go there because they were on labour/ lib dem all women short lists with men excluded
And it may be a small part but it is the loud part that is writing policy these days
Perhaps labour have questionable policies, irrespective of male / female MPs.... But that's another thread."
Illegal policies in any otther industry to be precise.
But rhat was as a result of this brand of feminism
Feminism that dictates equality lead to strong women rising to good posts.
Feminism that treated women as children and "aww dont worry we've made it easier for you because youre just not good enpugh to do it on your own" resulted in idiots.
Something pointed out by classical feminists lile ann widicombe.
Feminists used to be proud and strong women who desvered respect.
Too often now they are whiney little children who demand respect.
As said before though its not all and honestly i dont even think its the majority but it is the portion thats driving current debate and legislation they will only do damage to women in the long run.
And its a shame to see.
But as a white male i cant say anything so its up to you ladies to stand up and be counted for what you are, not for how you should be cottled.
But like you say its for another thread...and down the road the can is kicked |
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By *stellaWoman
over a year ago
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"I’m old school
In the words of the late great Artist formerly known as Prince...
Gett off
Let a woman be a woman and a man be a man
I have no idea what you mean by 'old school' but I can tell you that feminism does not ask men to be women nor women to be men.
No it currently asks for women to be children given all tbe rights but non of the responsibilities of being an adult
Except it doesn’t.
Watch the video thats literally what shes asking for"
Haven’t had a chance to watch yet. I do pick a hole in your statement though, you’ve extrapolated from what sounds to be a feminist saying something to it meaning that that is an absolutism in all feminism. So, I repeat - my negation was to your comment that feminism per se calls for women to be children - and all the rest of your statement. |
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"I’m old school
In the words of the late great Artist formerly known as Prince...
Gett off
Let a woman be a woman and a man be a man
I have no idea what you mean by 'old school' but I can tell you that feminism does not ask men to be women nor women to be men.
No it currently asks for women to be children given all tbe rights but non of the responsibilities of being an adult
Except it doesn’t.
Watch the video thats literally what shes asking for
Haven’t had a chance to watch yet. I do pick a hole in your statement though, you’ve extrapolated from what sounds to be a feminist saying something to it meaning that that is an absolutism in all feminism. So, I repeat - my negation was to your comment that feminism per se calls for women to be children - and all the rest of your statement."
Well as i said current 3rd wave feminism as decried by traditional feminist but that is the portion that is driving the current debate.
Sprry but you dont get to be the "silent majority" while your politival movment is coopted as only the vocal get heard |
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"I’m old school
In the words of the late great Artist formerly known as Prince...
Gett off
Let a woman be a woman and a man be a man
I have no idea what you mean by 'old school' but I can tell you that feminism does not ask men to be women nor women to be men.
No it currently asks for women to be children given all tbe rights but non of the responsibilities of being an adult
Which branch of feminism are you specifically referring to? As a feminist myself I don't recognise what you are describing.
3rd wave mostly american feminsim.as seen in the video above.
Or as seen in labour party where only women can apply for certain jobs.
That video only represents a very small minority of feminists. I assume you are referring to the role of Women's Officer within The Labour Party?
No im refereeing to thier policy of all women short lists for candidates to run for mps for instance in 1997 labour used all women short lists for half of its seats.
Personally i would never apply for a job that excluded people because of thier protected characteristics. And i think most decent people wouldn't either wich may explain the awful show of female mps in the labour party as only people with no morals end up in those roles.
Its also interesting that the party that runs women only shortlists has never even had a female.leader but the party that runs on merit has had 2 female prime ministers .
It was fpund to be illegal but after that the number of women mps fell when ir went back to merit so it got a bypas in the equality bill and now sexual discrimination is legal for political candidate selection til 2030 when ir again becomes illegal under the sex discrimination act.
Aprox 50% of female mps elected go there because they were on labour/ lib dem all women short lists with men excluded
And it may be a small part but it is the loud part that is writing policy these days
That's interesting. I'm not a Labour voter and was unaware of their quotas.
Regarding the woman in the video, in all liklihood she was chosen to speak purely because her opinion is so extreme, in a 'come and look at the crazy' sense. That news channel wasn't interested in trying to understand what happened in Belgium, only in deliberately misrepresenting an issue by ignoring any number of less extreme feminist ideologies and going for the most batshit they could find. I cannot identify with her at all and I'm angry but not surprised at the news channel's agenda. "
No shes a highly respected journalist for the Washington post who is the regular candidate brought on to discus womens issues in the us.
Not a crazy random |
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But youre right its a tucker Carlson interview so ludicrously biased and he is very skilled at making people sound bat shit.
They couldnt discus the Belgium issue in the context of the usa as laws such as hate speech and sexist speech are unconstitutional in the usa so cant exist. And theres little interest in american audiences foe belgium its the view point of "could it come here" that they are interested in which is how he directed the debate |
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"I’m old school
In the words of the late great Artist formerly known as Prince...
Gett off
Let a woman be a woman and a man be a man
I have no idea what you mean by 'old school' but I can tell you that feminism does not ask men to be women nor women to be men.
No it currently asks for women to be children given all tbe rights but non of the responsibilities of being an adult
Which branch of feminism are you specifically referring to? As a feminist myself I don't recognise what you are describing.
3rd wave mostly american feminsim.as seen in the video above.
Or as seen in labour party where only women can apply for certain jobs.
That video only represents a very small minority of feminists. I assume you are referring to the role of Women's Officer within The Labour Party?
No im refereeing to thier policy of all women short lists for candidates to run for mps for instance in 1997 labour used all women short lists for half of its seats.
Personally i would never apply for a job that excluded people because of thier protected characteristics. And i think most decent people wouldn't either wich may explain the awful show of female mps in the labour party as only people with no morals end up in those roles.
Its also interesting that the party that runs women only shortlists has never even had a female.leader but the party that runs on merit has had 2 female prime ministers .
It was fpund to be illegal but after that the number of women mps fell when ir went back to merit so it got a bypas in the equality bill and now sexual discrimination is legal for political candidate selection til 2030 when ir again becomes illegal under the sex discrimination act.
Aprox 50% of female mps elected go there because they were on labour/ lib dem all women short lists with men excluded
And it may be a small part but it is the loud part that is writing policy these days
That's interesting. I'm not a Labour voter and was unaware of their quotas.
Regarding the woman in the video, in all liklihood she was chosen to speak purely because her opinion is so extreme, in a 'come and look at the crazy' sense. That news channel wasn't interested in trying to understand what happened in Belgium, only in deliberately misrepresenting an issue by ignoring any number of less extreme feminist ideologies and going for the most batshit they could find. I cannot identify with her at all and I'm angry but not surprised at the news channel's agenda.
No shes a highly respected journalist for the Washington post who is the regular candidate brought on to discus womens issues in the us.
Not a crazy random"
So there aren't any other feminist journalists in America that could have given an 'expert' opinion? One that acknowledges that there are female misogynists as well as male? That wouldn't insist on criminalising benignly sexist language and acts? Of course they could have found someone! |
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"I’m old school
In the words of the late great Artist formerly known as Prince...
Gett off
Let a woman be a woman and a man be a man
I have no idea what you mean by 'old school' but I can tell you that feminism does not ask men to be women nor women to be men.
No it currently asks for women to be children given all tbe rights but non of the responsibilities of being an adult
Which branch of feminism are you specifically referring to? As a feminist myself I don't recognise what you are describing.
3rd wave mostly american feminsim.as seen in the video above.
Or as seen in labour party where only women can apply for certain jobs.
That video only represents a very small minority of feminists. I assume you are referring to the role of Women's Officer within The Labour Party?
No im refereeing to thier policy of all women short lists for candidates to run for mps for instance in 1997 labour used all women short lists for half of its seats.
Personally i would never apply for a job that excluded people because of thier protected characteristics. And i think most decent people wouldn't either wich may explain the awful show of female mps in the labour party as only people with no morals end up in those roles.
Its also interesting that the party that runs women only shortlists has never even had a female.leader but the party that runs on merit has had 2 female prime ministers .
It was fpund to be illegal but after that the number of women mps fell when ir went back to merit so it got a bypas in the equality bill and now sexual discrimination is legal for political candidate selection til 2030 when ir again becomes illegal under the sex discrimination act.
Aprox 50% of female mps elected go there because they were on labour/ lib dem all women short lists with men excluded
And it may be a small part but it is the loud part that is writing policy these days
Perhaps labour have questionable policies, irrespective of male / female MPs.... But that's another thread.
Illegal policies in any otther industry to be precise.
But rhat was as a result of this brand of feminism
Feminism that dictates equality lead to strong women rising to good posts.
Feminism that treated women as children and "aww dont worry we've made it easier for you because youre just not good enpugh to do it on your own" resulted in idiots.
Something pointed out by classical feminists lile ann widicombe.
Feminists used to be proud and strong women who desvered respect.
Too often now they are whiney little children who demand respect.
As said before though its not all and honestly i dont even think its the majority but it is the portion thats driving current debate and legislation they will only do damage to women in the long run.
And its a shame to see.
But as a white male i cant say anything so its up to you ladies to stand up and be counted for what you are, not for how you should be cottled.
But like you say its for another thread...and down the road the can is kicked"
Policies as a result of feminism?!
I wholeheartedly disagree.
Their (many) dire and questionable policies are a direct result of their Mps and party members having dire and questionable morals and thoughts, nothing to do with gender.
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Policies as a result of feminism?!
I wholeheartedly disagree.
Their (many) dire and questionable policies are a direct result of their Mps and party members having dire and questionable morals and thoughts, nothing to do with gender.
If you're a cunt, you're a cunt. Doesn't matter what sex you are. "
Ypu think a policy solely aimed at increasing the number kf female.mps by using sexual discrimination against men was not a result of feminist campaigning to increase the number of mps by using sexual discrimination against men? |
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"I’m old school
In the words of the late great Artist formerly known as Prince...
Gett off
Let a woman be a woman and a man be a man
I have no idea what you mean by 'old school' but I can tell you that feminism does not ask men to be women nor women to be men.
No it currently asks for women to be children given all tbe rights but non of the responsibilities of being an adult
Which branch of feminism are you specifically referring to? As a feminist myself I don't recognise what you are describing.
3rd wave mostly american feminsim.as seen in the video above.
Or as seen in labour party where only women can apply for certain jobs.
That video only represents a very small minority of feminists. I assume you are referring to the role of Women's Officer within The Labour Party?
No im refereeing to thier policy of all women short lists for candidates to run for mps for instance in 1997 labour used all women short lists for half of its seats.
Personally i would never apply for a job that excluded people because of thier protected characteristics. And i think most decent people wouldn't either wich may explain the awful show of female mps in the labour party as only people with no morals end up in those roles.
Its also interesting that the party that runs women only shortlists has never even had a female.leader but the party that runs on merit has had 2 female prime ministers .
It was fpund to be illegal but after that the number of women mps fell when ir went back to merit so it got a bypas in the equality bill and now sexual discrimination is legal for political candidate selection til 2030 when ir again becomes illegal under the sex discrimination act.
Aprox 50% of female mps elected go there because they were on labour/ lib dem all women short lists with men excluded
And it may be a small part but it is the loud part that is writing policy these days
That's interesting. I'm not a Labour voter and was unaware of their quotas.
Regarding the woman in the video, in all liklihood she was chosen to speak purely because her opinion is so extreme, in a 'come and look at the crazy' sense. That news channel wasn't interested in trying to understand what happened in Belgium, only in deliberately misrepresenting an issue by ignoring any number of less extreme feminist ideologies and going for the most batshit they could find. I cannot identify with her at all and I'm angry but not surprised at the news channel's agenda.
No shes a highly respected journalist for the Washington post who is the regular candidate brought on to discus womens issues in the us.
Not a crazy random
So there aren't any other feminist journalists in America that could have given an 'expert' opinion? One that acknowledges that there are female misogynists as well as male? That wouldn't insist on criminalising benignly sexist language and acts? Of course they could have found someone! "
Im sure there are as i said ann widicome and mrs greer (spelling?) To name two however mrs greer is no platformed by progressive groups now |
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Remember the title of the thread guys. Its no y the clasical definition kf fwminism in question. Its the new radical line thats becoming the new definition |
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