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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

As another 17 year old is murdered in London.

It’s so sad

Can’t help noticing a common denominator

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By *he riverdeep69Couple over a year ago

North west ish

"As another 17 year old is murdered in London.

It’s so sad

Can’t help noticing a common denominator "

Very sad. Havent heard this. What is the common denominator?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

In the States some refer to "Gun Crime" but crime is not caused by guns or by knives any more than reckless driving is caused by cars.

Why can't societies demand that people be held accountable for their actions. What has gone wrong? I don't think that there are simple solutions to this.

Of course, in the news media "If it bleeds it leads". This can cause us to overestimate the crime rate sometimes as well.

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By *ister.mrMan over a year ago

birmingham

Is the common denominator that its uncool to do well at school and better yourself,but very cool to be in a gang and following the words of a rap song .there you go ,here it comes lol

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By *elma and ShaggyCouple over a year ago

Bedworth

"As another 17 year old is murdered in London.

It’s so sad

Can’t help noticing a common denominator "

Violent crime with weapons, either guns or knives, seems to be on the increase everywhere

Take the area that we both live in OP. Last night another person was stabbed, in an off licence in Cheylesmore. Police have announced today that 3 men have appeared in court this morning, charged with fire arms and drug offences after being stopped in a car on the a444 in Bedworth on Thursday evening.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"As another 17 year old is murdered in London.

It’s so sad

Can’t help noticing a common denominator

Violent crime with weapons, either guns or knives, seems to be on the increase everywhere

We live in an almost lawless country

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By *itty9899Man over a year ago

Craggy Island

"As another 17 year old is murdered in London.

It’s so sad

Can’t help noticing a common denominator "

Parents never and around and lack of deterrent.

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By *alandNitaCouple over a year ago

Scunthorpe

We live in an almost lawless country "

This is as far from the truth as you could possibly get...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Common denominator being the knife as a weapon?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

We live in an almost lawless country

This is as far from the truth as you could possibly get..."

Please elaborate

Police informed who nearly killed a friend of mine

They didn’t follow it up

Police informed who stole my motorcycle

They didn’t follow it up

Police know who these gangs are

What’s been done ?

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By *den-Valley-coupleCouple over a year ago

Cumbria

Sorry to bring politics into it but some people here have voted conservative which cut the police to the bare bones allowing bad behaviour to fester and grow within our cities and towns.

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By *alandNitaCouple over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"Sorry to bring politics into it but some people here have voted conservative which cut the police to the bare bones allowing bad behaviour to fester and grow within our cities and towns."

You can't arrest a gang for a crime, just individuals for their own wrong-doings

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Sorry to bring politics into it but some people here have voted conservative which cut the police to the bare bones allowing bad behaviour to fester and grow within our cities and towns.

You can't arrest a gang for a crime, just individuals for their own wrong-doings"

Anti social behaviour?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The Grand Theft Auto generation . Using a knife to attack someone is despicably evil . I grew up in a tough place , but the lads never carried knives .

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By *alandNitaCouple over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"Sorry to bring politics into it but some people here have voted conservative which cut the police to the bare bones allowing bad behaviour to fester and grow within our cities and towns.

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You can't arrest a gang for a crime, just individuals for their own wrong-doings

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Anti social behaviour?"

You can still only arrest individuals for crimes which THEY commit

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By *risky_MareWoman over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

A young girl in a park last night - was she a threat to anyone?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"A young girl in a park last night - was she a threat to anyone?

Very doubtful

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Sorry to bring politics into it but some people here have voted conservative which cut the police to the bare bones allowing bad behaviour to fester and grow within our cities and towns.

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You can't arrest a gang for a crime, just individuals for their own wrong-doings

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Anti social behaviour?

You can still only arrest individuals for crimes which THEY commit"

If they actually get arrested yes

And the punishment?

Oh you are a naughty boy

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By *edangel_2013Woman over a year ago

southend

"A young girl in a park last night - was she a threat to anyone?

Very doubtful

Because she was girl or because she was young?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If they can ban old cars in London they. can ban knives and make everyone use subway utensils yehhh

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By *irthandgirthMan over a year ago

Camberley occasionally doncaster

Common denominators (plural)

Parents aren't allowed to discipline children.

Teachers aren't allowed to discipline children.

The police aren't allowed to discipline children.

Nobody is held accountable for their actions. They aren't instilled with basic morals and ethics.

Sections of society are simply abandoned as it is too much hard work to bring them to an acceptable level of behaviour.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"A young girl in a park last night - was she a threat to anyone?

Very doubtful

Because she was girl or because she was young?

Kinda irrelevant

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We live in an almost lawless country

This is as far from the truth as you could possibly get...

Please elaborate

Police informed who nearly killed a friend of mine

They didn’t follow it up

Police informed who stole my motorcycle

They didn’t follow it up

Police know who these gangs are

What’s been done ?"

A lot more than you know.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Sorry to bring politics into it but some people here have voted conservative which cut the police to the bare bones allowing bad behaviour to fester and grow within our cities and towns.

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You can't arrest a gang for a crime, just individuals for their own wrong-doings

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Anti social behaviour?

You can still only arrest individuals for crimes which THEY commit"

Isn't there some kind of joint enterprise law?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

We live in an almost lawless country

This is as far from the truth as you could possibly get...

Please elaborate

Police informed who nearly killed a friend of mine

They didn’t follow it up

Police informed who stole my motorcycle

They didn’t follow it up

Police know who these gangs are

What’s been done ?

A lot more than you know. "

Again

Lots of vague statements that could really benefit from some facts

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Sorry to bring politics into it but some people here have voted conservative which cut the police to the bare bones allowing bad behaviour to fester and grow within our cities and towns.

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You can't arrest a gang for a crime, just individuals for their own wrong-doings

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Anti social behaviour?

You can still only arrest individuals for crimes which THEY commit

Isn't there some kind of joint enterprise law?"

Yes. But it wouldn't apply to just being in a gang. It basically means multiple people can be charged with murder if they are all involved in the incident even if only one person is actually the killer

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Unfortunately violent crime is going to get alot worse over time and it's sad to say it but it's mostly down to two very simple reasons (1) is we open immigration policy without any checks of who we have been letting in and remember alot come from countries where life has no meaning so they ain't going to change over night. So unfortunately it's made it easy for very bad people and criminals to flood our country and the 2nd reason is because of the gangs fighting over drugs,prostitutes and people trafficking. So in my view we are all fucked and it'll be worst for our kids and grandchildren.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Unfortunately violent crime is going to get alot worse over time and it's sad to say it but it's mostly down to two very simple reasons (1) is we open immigration policy without any checks of who we have been letting in and remember alot come from countries where life has no meaning so they ain't going to change over night. So unfortunately it's made it easy for very bad people and criminals to flood our country and the 2nd reason is because of the gangs fighting over drugs,prostitutes and people trafficking. So in my view we are all fucked and it'll be worst for our kids and grandchildren. "

Were there no bad people or criminals before the immigrants got here?

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By *eliciousladyWoman over a year ago

Sometimes U.K

"Common denominators (plural)

Parents aren't allowed to discipline children.

Teachers aren't allowed to discipline children.

The police aren't allowed to discipline children.

Nobody is held accountable for their actions. They aren't instilled with basic morals and ethics.

Sections of society are simply abandoned as it is too much hard work to bring them to an acceptable level of behaviour.

Good points

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By *edangel_2013Woman over a year ago

southend

"A young girl in a park last night - was she a threat to anyone?

Very doubtful

Because she was girl or because she was young?

Kinda irrelevant "

No it isn't. You are saying it is doubtful she was a threat. Is that doubt because she was female or because she was young?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm not saying that at all there has always been bad evil people but unfortunately if you really study all the violent crime and crime figures around Europe over the last 20 years they have been shooting up rapidly. I haven't got a problem with anyone coming to our country as long as they come here too work,paying taxes, ect and embracing our culture but to bring their shity world with them.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We live in an almost lawless country

This is as far from the truth as you could possibly get...

Please elaborate

Police informed who nearly killed a friend of mine

They didn’t follow it up

Police informed who stole my motorcycle

They didn’t follow it up

Police know who these gangs are

What’s been done ?

A lot more than you know.

Again

Lots of vague statements that could really benefit from some facts "

We can't always state facts on here. Take my word for it, I know

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm not saying that at all there has always been bad evil people but unfortunately if you really study all the violent crime and crime figures around Europe over the last 20 years they have been shooting up rapidly. I haven't got a problem with anyone coming to our country as long as they come here too work,paying taxes, ect and embracing our culture but to bring their shity world with them. "

You sound like you have a great big problem with something

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I’ve just heard this on the news, 13th person killed by stabbing this year, such a waste of life

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

No not really just pointing out facts

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By *read locMan over a year ago

Birmingham

There is that law but it is so unfair

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Totally agree it doesn't help plus our prison and sentences are a joke now because of the human rights bullshit

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"No not really just pointing out facts "

Since it's mostly men that commit crime, should we just lock you all up to be on the safe side?

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By *read locMan over a year ago

Birmingham

I've been stabbed and I have carried a knife nothing to do with music or my parents. I lived I London some boys wanted my phone I fought them off but got stabbed. After that I carried a knife one day I realised that I will kill someone and that's not what I want.

Also joint enterprise is and unfair law I have friend in prison for actually keeping the wrong company not been involved in the crime.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I've been stabbed and I have carried a knife nothing to do with music or my parents. I lived I London some boys wanted my phone I fought them off but got stabbed. After that I carried a knife one day I realised that I will kill someone and that's not what I want.

Also joint enterprise is and unfair law I have friend in prison for actually keeping the wrong company not been involved in the crime."

If he's in prison, he did more than just keep company with them

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

My point is if you come from a country were life has no meaning what's so ever and it's normal to walk down the street while people are being beheaded you ain't going to change where every in the world you go and just another point you would be surprised by how many evil women there is

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By *read locMan over a year ago

Birmingham

He was inside a club his friends were outside they got into a fight and stabbed a man.

He came outside when it was over looking for his friends that's when he saw the guy that was stabbed for the first time. The bouncers told the police he was with the boys inside.

So he had nothing to do with it.Unfortunately for the code of slience kept him in prison.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"My point is if you come from a country were life has no meaning what's so ever and it's normal to walk down the street while people are being beheaded you ain't going to change where every in the world you go and just another point you would be surprised by how many evil women there is"

Your point has become completely lost on me now

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"He was inside a club his friends were outside they got into a fight and stabbed a man.

He came outside when it was over looking for his friends that's when he saw the guy that was stabbed for the first time. The bouncers told the police he was with the boys inside.

So he had nothing to do with it.Unfortunately for the code of slience kept him in prison."

And therein he committed his crime

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By *abrielle247Couple (FF) over a year ago

PDI Gran Canaria

Ignorance and youth culture.

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By *read locMan over a year ago

Birmingham

What crime? he wasnt the one who

was slience the others were.

So he wasn't there for the fight he didn't leave with them. Hes just on camera looking confused no idea what happened.

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By *iss_tressWoman over a year ago

London

"Sorry to bring politics into it but some people here have voted conservative which cut the police to the bare bones allowing bad behaviour to fester and grow within our cities and towns."

Sorry I think that's a simplistic and convenient escape route.

I think that parents today spend too much time on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook and sites like this rather than taking a notice of what/where their children are and what they're doing. Children seem to be a nuisance and left to their own devices - we all know the devil finds work for idle hands. Those involved in this culture of knife crime are usually single parent households with little or no male influence.

We also live in a culture where the wealthy can flaunt their wealth 24/7 via social media and the have nots want some too. Parents turn a blind eye at what their children bring home, because they're probably getting some benefit from the ill gotten gains too. Everyone is seeking validation of some sort, and believe that being a bad man with a knife, settling an arguement with a knife is the way to go.

Yes, there are less police, yes, there are less things for kids to do, but not every family from humble beginnings is fostering a would be gangster/killer etc.

I see it around me - this bad man attitude, and I find it very sad. I have five grandsons under three and I'm already worried about what the future holds for them.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What crime? he wasnt the one who

was slience the others were.

So he wasn't there for the fight he didn't leave with them. Hes just on camera looking confused no idea what happened. "

I've actually no clue what you're saying now

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By *nowy and the GruffaloCouple over a year ago

Aberdeenshire

Anyone who thinks the UK is even remotely close to being a lawless country should go and pay a visit to Syria or Somalia. They they may realise how ridiculous that statement actually is.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"He was inside a club his friends were outside they got into a fight and stabbed a man.

He came outside when it was over looking for his friends that's when he saw the guy that was stabbed for the first time. The bouncers told the police he was with the boys inside.

So he had nothing to do with it.Unfortunately for the code of slience kept him in prison."
then he only has him self to blame

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By *read locMan over a year ago

Birmingham

"What crime? he wasnt the one who

was slience the others were.

So he wasn't there for the fight he didn't leave with them. Hes just on camera looking confused no idea what happened.

I've actually no clue what you're saying now "

Just trying to understand what your saying his crime was. I should also tell you that he was given early release as the judge use compassion. The judge actually said if my friend has been seen to try and help the man he wouldn't have been sentenced.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What crime? he wasnt the one who

was slience the others were.

So he wasn't there for the fight he didn't leave with them. Hes just on camera looking confused no idea what happened.

I've actually no clue what you're saying now

What was his actual conviction for?

Because it wasn't for just being there

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"In the States some refer to "Gun Crime" but crime is not caused by guns or by knives any more than reckless driving is caused by cars.

Why can't societies demand that people be held accountable for their actions. What has gone wrong? I don't think that there are simple solutions to this.

Of course, in the news media "If it bleeds it leads". This can cause us to overestimate the crime rate sometimes as well. "

The importance of having so-called knife and gun crime rates is that we can then measure a change and try to correlate it to an action - for example a knife or gun amnesty, or perhaps where 21,000 police have been cut. Did it reduce or increase the rate of incidence of that crime.

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By *read locMan over a year ago

Birmingham

Joint enterprise he was considered part of the group. Although he wasn't at the altercation.

His crime was not knowing the people he choose to keep as friends

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

You sound like you have a great big problem with something "

Speaking his mind ?

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By *nabelle21Woman over a year ago

B38

"What crime? he wasnt the one who

was slience the others were.

So he wasn't there for the fight he didn't leave with them. Hes just on camera looking confused no idea what happened. "

I apprecuate he was inside .

Did he carry a knife?

I don't think that the joint enterprise law is fair in fact it can/has been used badly.

There has to be a way to link those involved in a crime even if they didn't stick the 'knife' in. Being an accomplice is just as bad.

If your friend is an innocent kinda guy I feel for him.

By innocent I mean the kind of guy who wouldn't be involved had he been there.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Anyone who thinks the UK is even remotely close to being a lawless country should go and pay a visit to Syria or Somalia. They they may realise how ridiculous that statement actually is. "

Sorry but yours is the ridiculous statement

We are supposed to be civilised, world leaders

The places you mention are not and cannot be

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Sorry to bring politics into it but some people here have voted conservative which cut the police to the bare bones allowing bad behaviour to fester and grow within our cities and towns.

Sorry I think that's a simplistic and convenient escape route.

Yes, there are less police, yes, there are less things for kids to do, but not every family from humble beginnings is fostering a would be gangster/killer etc.

I see it around me - this bad man attitude, and I find it very sad. I have five grandsons under three and I'm already worried about what the future holds for them. "

This ^^ makes a lot of sense.

Theres no doubt that the lack of a good Male role model in the family unit can be a factor.

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By *nowy and the GruffaloCouple over a year ago

Aberdeenshire

"Anyone who thinks the UK is even remotely close to being a lawless country should go and pay a visit to Syria or Somalia. They they may realise how ridiculous that statement actually is.

Sorry but yours is the ridiculous statement

We are supposed to be civilised, world leaders

The places you mention are not and cannot be "

They are lawless countries, what you said we are close to being.

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By *read locMan over a year ago

Birmingham

No he didnt carry a knife. The judge said what he should have done was stay and help the guy. But at the time he didn't who was fighting and he just left to look for them not knowing it was them that did it. The bouncers told police he was with the group.

He not that type of person I was just a party guy now he hates the law

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By *nabelle21Woman over a year ago

B38

Is is all too easy to get dragged into other people's shit

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By *read locMan over a year ago

Birmingham

Defiantly is you have to be so careful. But regardless of the rising crime and unfair laws this country is by far the best

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By *nabelle21Woman over a year ago

B38

Yes, as as already mentioned there are far worse places.

We are a work in progress...let's hope real progress is made and we can live and let live.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Joint enterprise he was considered part of the group. Although he wasn't at the altercation.

His crime was not knowing the people he choose to keep as friends"

People aren't imprisoned for the friends they keep or just simply being part of a group

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

My hubby uses Instagram and he is appalled at the amount of guns and knife posts glorifying these weapons. He even contacted them but the ignored him. Young children use this so you would think they would act more responsibly by banning such things.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You sound like you have a great big problem with something

Speaking his mind ?"

No...that's only part of his problem

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By *read locMan over a year ago

Birmingham

You have no clue but your talking.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"You have no clue but your talking. "

I'd have a better clue if you got around to saying what your friend was convicted of

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By *read locMan over a year ago

Birmingham

What don't you understand about joint enterprise he was convicted of the the stabbing as they all was. Only one person done the stabbing others were fighting my friend was inside still dancing.

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By *iss_tressWoman over a year ago

London

"My hubby uses Instagram and he is appalled at the amount of guns and knife posts glorifying these weapons. He even contacted them but the ignored him. Young children use this so you would think they would act more responsibly by banning such things. "

...and parental responsibility?!!

Why is it always someone else's responsibility? We all know about safeguarding children - but the major responsibility a parent has is keeping their children safe.

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By *risky_MareWoman over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

"A young girl in a park last night - was she a threat to anyone?

Very doubtful

Because she was girl or because she was young?

Both. Not sure young white girls in Romford carry knives to the park? Stabbing is normally young male on young male.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Lol I haven't got any problem. Please tell me what problem that im ment to have? I'd really like to know

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Well yes I will tell it like it is. You either like me or hate me lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What don't you understand about joint enterprise he was convicted of the the stabbing as they all was. Only one person done the stabbing others were fighting my friend was inside still dancing. "

So because one of his friends stabbed someone he got charged too just for being friends?

I don't think so

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Well yes I will tell it like it is. You either like me or hate me lol "

No..you didn't do that

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By *read locMan over a year ago

Birmingham

"What don't you understand about joint enterprise he was convicted of the the stabbing as they all was. Only one person done the stabbing others were fighting my friend was inside still dancing.

So because one of his friends stabbed someone he got charged too just for being friends?

I don't think so"

Go and find out what joint enterprise is rather than think.

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By *nowy and the GruffaloCouple over a year ago

Aberdeenshire

Might also help to look at Aiding and Abetting in England and Art and Part Liability in Scotland (you are both in different criminal legal systems).

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Government cuts spending/services for young people, knife crime goes up.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What don't you understand about joint enterprise he was convicted of the the stabbing as they all was. Only one person done the stabbing others were fighting my friend was inside still dancing.

So because one of his friends stabbed someone he got charged too just for being friends?

I don't think so

Go and find out what joint enterprise is rather than think."

I don't need to

I already know it won't get you banged up just for having a friend that stabbed someone

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By *iss_tressWoman over a year ago

London

"What don't you understand about joint enterprise he was convicted of the the stabbing as they all was. Only one person done the stabbing others were fighting my friend was inside still dancing.

So because one of his friends stabbed someone he got charged too just for being friends?

I don't think so

Go and find out what joint enterprise is rather than think.

I don't need to

I already know it won't get you banged up just for having a friend that stabbed someone "

For you to say that you don't know what joint enterprise is.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What don't you understand about joint enterprise he was convicted of the the stabbing as they all was. Only one person done the stabbing others were fighting my friend was inside still dancing.

So because one of his friends stabbed someone he got charged too just for being friends?

I don't think so

Go and find out what joint enterprise is rather than think.

I don't need to

I already know it won't get you banged up just for having a friend that stabbed someone

For you to say that you don't know what joint enterprise is. "

I do

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By *ross-eyed MaryMan over a year ago

Salisbury

"Government cuts spending/services for young people, knife crime goes up.

Oh, did they carry on spending at the same rate in the south west?

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By *read locMan over a year ago

Birmingham

"What don't you understand about joint enterprise he was convicted of the the stabbing as they all was. Only one person done the stabbing others were fighting my friend was inside still dancing.

So because one of his friends stabbed someone he got charged too just for being friends?

I don't think so

Go and find out what joint enterprise is rather than think.

I don't need to

I already know it won't get you banged up just for having a friend that stabbed someone

For you to say that you don't know what joint enterprise is.

I do "

Clearly not lol.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's not just in London ...an 18 year old lad was stabbed to death a week ago here in Sunderland....well I blame Maybots government for drastically cutting police force numbers! ....it will only get much worse too sadly....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Sorry to bring politics into it but some people here have voted conservative which cut the police to the bare bones allowing bad behaviour to fester and grow within our cities and towns."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What don't you understand about joint enterprise he was convicted of the the stabbing as they all was. Only one person done the stabbing others were fighting my friend was inside still dancing.

So because one of his friends stabbed someone he got charged too just for being friends?

I don't think so

Go and find out what joint enterprise is rather than think.

I don't need to

I already know it won't get you banged up just for having a friend that stabbed someone

For you to say that you don't know what joint enterprise is.

I do

Clearly not lol."

Maybe if you explained exactly what he was convicted of I'd be convinced

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Seriously??

That is a very bigoted statement ....the knife attack last week which killed a local boy was perpertrated by another local lad....nothing to do with immigration! Stop reading the Daily mail man!

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By *ross-eyed MaryMan over a year ago

Salisbury

Exactly, its obvious to anyone with eyes that since mass immigration really kicked off post ww2, that crime rates have fallen, and quality of life has increased in the traditional poorer areas of the country.

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By *read locMan over a year ago

Birmingham

"What don't you understand about joint enterprise he was convicted of the the stabbing as they all was. Only one person done the stabbing others were fighting my friend was inside still dancing.

So because one of his friends stabbed someone he got charged too just for being friends?

I don't think so

Go and find out what joint enterprise is rather than think.

I don't need to

I already know it won't get you banged up just for having a friend that stabbed someone

For you to say that you don't know what joint enterprise is.

I do

Clearly not lol.

Maybe if you explained exactly what he was convicted of I'd be convinced "

I can't go around in circle to convince you of anything. He was convicted along with the rest of them under JOINT ENTERPRISE (last time I will say it)

So now it's up to you to go and actually understand the consequences of joint enterprise. If you did know what it is you wouldn't keep asking the same question because you would understand.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Exactly, its obvious to anyone with eyes that since mass immigration really kicked off post ww2, that crime rates have fallen, and quality of life has increased in the traditional poorer areas of the country. "

Discounting all other factors and simply blaming immigration for increases in crime is exceptionally idiotic.

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By *oonloverWoman over a year ago

bognor regis

...and parental responsibility?!!

Why is it always someone else's responsibility? We all know about safeguarding children - but the major responsibility a parent has is keeping their children safe. "

We recently flew home from Lanzarote - evening flight 6 kids continually running up aisle screaming, bashing into people , rude to cabin crew when asked to sit down - where were the parents? Plugged in with headphones supposedly asleep

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By *ross-eyed MaryMan over a year ago

Salisbury

Discounting all other factors and simply blaming immigration for increases in crime is exceptionally idiotic.

Absolutley. I don't know why people do it! The same that say acid attacks are usually done by Asians i expect.

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By *entish79Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"As another 17 year old is murdered in London.

It’s so sad

Can’t help noticing a common denominator

Violent crime with weapons, either guns or knives, seems to be on the increase everywhere

We live in an almost lawless country "

The Daily Mail just rang to say they want their quote back.

Awful as it is, to suggest that we live in “an almost lawless country” is absurd.

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By *entish79Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"Anyone who thinks the UK is even remotely close to being a lawless country should go and pay a visit to Syria or Somalia. They they may realise how ridiculous that statement actually is. "

Exactly. This country might not be perfect, but I’m not sure I’d want to gamble having to move anywhere else on the spin of a roulette wheel.

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By *entish79Man over a year ago

Glasgow

Sweet Jesus on the immigration thing.

I don’t suppose there’s the slightest chance you could back up that view with any factual evidence showing immigration to be related to these crimes?

And could you maybe talk a bit more about this “open door immigration policy”?

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By *nabelle21Woman over a year ago

B38

"Might also help to look at Aiding and Abetting in England and Art and Part Liability in Scotland (you are both in different criminal legal systems). "

That is a really good point

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Discounting all other factors and simply blaming immigration for increases in crime is exceptionally idiotic.

Absolutley. I don't know why people do it! The same that say acid attacks are usually done by Asians i expect.

Well as I’m sure you’ll agree, racists and nationalists are well known for having shit for brains.

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By *ingAlMan over a year ago

hereford

We had knives when I was a boy, we used them for whittling, making whistles and pea shooters, throwing into trees (rarely stuck in)we never stabbed each other

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm not saying that all violent crimes are down to immigration. What I mean is that we have made it to easy for the small percentage of bad ones to be able to move around more easily than ever before and unfortunately it has added to splitting some communities apart and helped the increase of gangs on the streets so it definitely hasn't helped unfortunately

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By *entish79Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"I'm not saying that all violent crimes are down to immigration. What I mean is that we have made it to easy for the small percentage of bad ones to be able to move around more easily than ever before and unfortunately it has added to splitting some communities apart and helped the increase of gangs on the streets so it definitely hasn't helped unfortunately "

What have we done to make it too easy?

How many of these murders have been committed by immigrants?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm not just blaming immigration all I'm saying is that it has unfortunately split some communities apart and created more gangs on the streets which in the end makes more violence unfortunately.

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By *entish79Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"I'm not just blaming immigration all I'm saying is that it has unfortunately split some communities apart and created more gangs on the streets which in the end makes more violence unfortunately. "

You said we’ve made it too easy for people to move around (migrate?).

I’m just asking what things we’ve done to make it too easy?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Immigrants are to blame.... Try living in South London where stabbing is an everyday thing. You don't here about it because no one died... 3 stabbings last week at the end of my street... Can't say next sentence it will get me banned

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"As another 17 year old is murdered in London.

It’s so sad

Can’t help noticing a common denominator "

Yeah it's always in the 3rd world Boroughs so who gives a fuck?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Lol I ain't either

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By *entish79Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"Lol I ain't either "

You ain’t what?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You should give fuck because it's coming to a Borough just like yours soon.... London is gone.... All the east end is moving to Essex all south London are moving to Kent... We are being pushed into the sea

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

‘Poverty is the mother of crime’

...Not migrants!

Reduce poverty - reduce crime.

If as a government you shit on society through ideological austerity cuts and slashing police by 21,000 - you are creating a hot bed for crime.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

But it's the immigration that caused poverty

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"But it's the immigration that caused poverty "

You should probably shush now

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

And still Sadiq Khan does not want the Knife Angel (Uk's monument against violence) on the 4th plinth of Trafalgar Square because he thinks it will put London in a bad light.

Oh the irony

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"But it's the immigration that caused poverty

You should probably shush now "

Agreed

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"You should give fuck because it's coming to a Borough just like yours soon.... London is gone.... All the east end is moving to Essex all south London are moving to Kent... We are being pushed into the sea"

I’m pretty happy where I am in south east London. Been here nearly 3 years and love it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"But it's the immigration that caused poverty "

No, that’s just complete bollocks.

Did you attend school?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Naught lola.... Had your son mugged 5 times had your daughter mugged for a tee shirt had your older daughter giving a black eye for saying sorry I'm not interested in black boys... Been nicked for stopping someone from hitting your daughter..... Live it then comment

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Naught lola.... Had your son mugged 5 times had your daughter mugged for a tee shirt had your older daughter giving a black eye for saying sorry I'm not interested in black boys... Been nicked for stopping someone from hitting your daughter..... Live it then comment "

I’ve lived in Birmingham and I live here in London. I’ve never encountered any violence so I can’t comment but I do live in a nice area here. Even in the city centre of Birmingham I saw nothing. Why would someone be hitting your daughter? I travel all over the world with my work, even in Nigeria and never had trouble. Do you look for it?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

And where do you live for this to happen?

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By *utsidenakedMan over a year ago

Dorchester

Basically the law is just too soft on crime, unless of course ya in a car, plenty police about then but bugger all police attended when I'm burgled

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Peckham

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By *illy_the_tvTV/TS over a year ago

hoorn, Netherlands

You realise that most violent knife crime is committed by people born and bred in this country. You need to stop with your thinly veiled xenophobia

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Peckham"

I drink over that way a lot and my old fwb lived there and was ok. I guess it depends which part but it’s my favourite night out place.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I would happily live in Peckham in a house. I live near in honor oak park

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Sorry I can't chat to private age range but I can assure you all very true

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Sorry I can't chat to private age range but I can assure you all very true "

I don’t disbelieve you, i just have a few friends over in Peckham and they haven’t had any problems so it sounds like really bad luck in your case. I’m sorry.

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By *nowy and the GruffaloCouple over a year ago

Aberdeenshire

"But it's the immigration that caused poverty "

Can you explain what you mean by this?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"As another 17 year old is murdered in London.

It’s so sad

Can’t help noticing a common denominator

Yeah it's always in the 3rd world Boroughs so who gives a fuck? "

What the fuck is 3rd world Borough??

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Never been in a position to own my own house...its taken 7 years to get of the famous North Peckham estate... Police mps had a great helping hand... Thanks to them and me keeping my son close he is in his 4th year of college on his way to be a pharmacist

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"As another 17 year old is murdered in London.

It’s so sad

Can’t help noticing a common denominator

Yeah it's always in the 3rd world Boroughs so who gives a fuck?

What the fuck is 3rd world Borough?? "

No idea??

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You realise that most violent knife crime is committed by people born and bred in this country. You need to stop with your thinly veiled xenophobia "

Oh sorry yes your right it's got nothing to do with immigration everyone has just got more violent over time and we have just decided that it'll be alot more fun to stab,shoot,acid attack and to kill each other's cuz it's just not a good night unless we do give me a break and wake up out of your very little bubble and really take around what's happening everywhere

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By *os19Man over a year ago

Edmonton

Terrible news about the young girl stabbed in the park in Romford at about 9.00 pm last night I would like to wait for more details to come out about her lifestyle as I would ask the question what is a young girl doing in the park at 9.30. 1- was she making her way home. 2 - was she a honey trap for a rival gang to attack a boy. 3 - was she in the wrong place at the wrong time. 4 - was she touting for business. 5 - was it drugs related. Sadly now a days things like this happen in plenty of North London parks I know and grew up in but for some reason the police don’t.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"As another 17 year old is murdered in London.

It’s so sad

Can’t help noticing a common denominator

Yeah it's always in the 3rd world Boroughs so who gives a fuck?

What the fuck is 3rd world Borough??

No idea??"

I wasn't even going to comment until I saw that, living im a borough where stabbing have always been in the news it got me curious.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Is the common denominator that its uncool to do well at school and better yourself,but very cool to be in a gang and following the words of a rap song .there you go ,here it comes lol

I do agree with you but it is slightly better than it was. When I was at school being smart would get you beaten up on the school field. Now being smart seems ( I may be wrong, I often am lol) to be acceptable, if not cool.

Unfortunately it'll always be 'cool' to be in a gang. The way to combat this is to offer kids and achievable alternative. This falls down to the government and school to provide an achievable rewarding alternative to joining the gangs

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You realise that most violent knife crime is committed by people born and bred in this country. You need to stop with your thinly veiled xenophobia "

Well said

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You realise that most violent knife crime is committed by people born and bred in this country. You need to stop with your thinly veiled xenophobia

You should probably shush now too

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You realise that most violent knife crime is committed by people born and bred in this country. You need to stop with your thinly veiled xenophobia

I’m actually exhausted reading that.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Down to the government and schools... Bollocks. You created them you look after them you school them on what's right and wrong. Down to nothing more than watching what your kids are doing and taking the steps to put a stop to it.... Why put on the government and schools.. That's just bad lazy parents

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By *entish79Man over a year ago

Glasgow

You realise that most violent knife crime is committed by people born and bred in this country. You need to stop with your thinly veiled xenophobia

I see.

So your argument seems to be:

Immigration has increased over time.

Violent crime has increased over time.

Therefore the increase in violent crime must be because of the increase in immigration?

Which part of “most violent knife crime is committed by people born and bred in this country.“ didn’t you understand?

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By *entish79Man over a year ago

Glasgow

You realise that most violent knife crime is committed by people born and bred in this country. You need to stop with your thinly veiled xenophobia

I’m actually exhausted reading that. "

I suppose at least he was agreeing that Lilly was right.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You realise that most violent knife crime is committed by people born and bred in this country. You need to stop with your thinly veiled xenophobia

I’m actually exhausted reading that. "

This whole thread is pretty exhausting. Welcome back by the way, I for one am glad of your return.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You realise that most violent knife crime is committed by people born and bred in this country. You need to stop with your thinly veiled xenophobia

I’m actually exhausted reading that.

This whole thread is pretty exhausting. Welcome back by the way, I for one am glad of your return."

Thank you lovely. Nice to see you too. Xx

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Let's put it another way more knife crime than America... Half the police twice the stabbings due to the influx of who ever the government want to let go get votes

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By *J8929Man over a year ago

london

Immigration has lead to an increase in violent crime, maybe maybe not, but it does have to do with race, to deny that is naive beyond belief, although they usually tend to be the victims as well as the perpetrators, google knife victims London 2018, there’s a photo of all of them approx 100 on one big photo, there’s about 2 white people. Google the perpetrators nearly entirely young black males. It’s not racist to acknowledge that. Not black women, not older black people, but definitely young black males doing the killing and getting killed.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Jj spot on

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By *entish79Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"Immigration has lead to an increase in violent crime, maybe maybe not, but it does have to do with race, to deny that is naive beyond belief, although they usually tend to be the victims as well as the perpetrators, google knife victims London 2018, there’s a photo of all of them approx 100 on one big photo, there’s about 2 white people. Google the perpetrators nearly entirely young black males. It’s not racist to acknowledge that. Not black women, not older black people, but definitely young black males doing the killing and getting killed. "

I’ll deny it.

It has nothing to do with race.

What it has to do with is more likely the socio economic circumstances and conditions.

The correlation is with skin colour and their socio economic circumstances.

Not with skin colour and a greater propensity to commit violent crime.

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By *nowy and the GruffaloCouple over a year ago

Aberdeenshire

I’ll deny it.

It has nothing to do with race.

What it has to do with is more likely the socio economic circumstances and conditions.

The correlation is with skin colour and their socio economic circumstances.

Not with skin colour and a greater propensity to commit violent crime."

Now you are just speaking far too much sense for this thread!!

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By *J8929Man over a year ago

london

You haven’t got the luxery deny it I’m afraid,it’s an unarguable fact.

I know we live in a fact free age, but it’s not like 1or2 more knife killings in London are done by young black males, it’s like 95 more, out of like 100. Sooooooooo tbh as much as you would like to virtue signal about it, by not tackling the root demographic, who are also the most likely to be killed btw, your actually doing that demographic a disservice, by not acknowledging and tacking young black males about knife killings, your condemning more young black males to being killed by a knife.

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By *J8929Man over a year ago

london

Exactly the kind of attitude that increases knife killing, being to pc to confront the problem for fear of being called racist, when infact that kind of attitude has blood on its hands as it does nothing to help the demographic that is suffering the most from this knife epidemic, young black males

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Exactly the kind of attitude that increases knife killing, being to pc to confront the problem for fear of being called racist, when infact that kind of attitude has blood on its hands as it does nothing to help the demographic that is suffering the most from this knife epidemic, young black males "

Where do you suppose most of these young black males were born?

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By *wingin CatMan over a year ago

London

If you live by the gang., you die by them.

And for those who fit into that category, no sympathy whatsoever.

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By *J8929Man over a year ago

london

Where do you suppose most of these young black males were born?"

I’ve never denied there born here most likely, what’s your point?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I’ll deny it.

It has nothing to do with race.

What it has to do with is more likely the socio economic circumstances and conditions.

The correlation is with skin colour and their socio economic circumstances.

Not with skin colour and a greater propensity to commit violent crime."

Exactly this

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By *wingin CatMan over a year ago

London

It mahy surprise you to learn that the girl who lost her life was white British.

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By *J8929Man over a year ago

london

It mahy surprise you to learn that the girl who lost her life was white British."

Again I’ve not once referred to the recent one, and yeah I saw it on the news earlier, still even though, like less then 10% of victims are white bars in last years deaths. So point remains the same

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By *wingin CatMan over a year ago

London

It mahy surprise you to learn that the girl who lost her life was white British.

Sadly, it's people like you who love to twist the facts to apportion the blame on to ethnic minorities.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You haven’t got the luxery deny it I’m afraid,it’s an unarguable fact.

Glasgow used to be known by some as the murder capital of Western Europe. It had more knife crime than anywhere else in the UK. But it was white males not people of ethnic backgrounds committing the crime.

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By *J8929Man over a year ago

london

It mahy surprise you to learn that the girl who lost her life was white British.

Sadly, it's people like you who love to twist the facts to apportion the blame on to ethnic minorities."

Twist the facts lol, the information is there for all to view, there no twisting about it.

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By *J8929Man over a year ago

london

You haven’t got the luxery deny it I’m afraid,it’s an unarguable fact.

What’s your point? A country years ago used to be somthing, and now it’s not? And when it was it wa probably lack of action and poverty that was the driving force? Which I’ve never denied? Serous ppl bit of nuance

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Are you Donald Trump?

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By *wingin CatMan over a year ago

London

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Down to the government and schools... Bollocks. You created them you look after them you school them on what's right and wrong. Down to nothing more than watching what your kids are doing and taking the steps to put a stop to it.... Why put on the government and schools.. That's just bad lazy parents "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I got stabbed twice in the back just outside my flat, it's no joke out there fabbers! Stay safe

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By *wingin CatMan over a year ago

London

It mahy surprise you to learn that the girl who lost her life was white British.

Sadly, it's people like you who love to twist the facts to apportion the blame on to ethnic minorities.

Twist the facts lol, the information is there for all to view, there no twisting about it. "

All I can say is that you racist conspiracy theorists have my deepest sympathy.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You haven’t got the luxery deny it I’m afraid,it’s an unarguable fact.

You can’t see the point of me giving you a clear example of white males in the UK committing more than knife crime than black males, as you suggest?

I don’t know if I could put it any simpler for you.

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By *J8929Man over a year ago

london

Twist the facts lol, the information is there for all to view, there no twisting about it.

All I can say is that you racist conspiracy theorists have my deepest sympathy."

Racist conspiracy theories? It’s literrally availble on the national office of statistics website.

Black community workers literrally aknowledge this.

It isn’t racist either ffs.

It’s about being honest about somthing so the police and politicians can have confidence tackling such issues, for the good of young black men who are the most frequent victims.

You pc virtue signalling deluded types are the ones who are racistS, denying absolute fact, to try and portray yourself as a good person, rather then tackling the difficult issues. Utter wimps.

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By *wingin CatMan over a year ago

London

Twist the facts lol, the information is there for all to view, there no twisting about it.

All I can say is that you racist conspiracy theorists have my deepest sympathy.

Racist conspiracy theories? It’s literrally availble on the national office of statistics website.

Black community workers literrally aknowledge this.

It isn’t racist either ffs.

It’s about being honest about somthing so the police and politicians can have confidence tackling such issues, for the good of young black men who are the most frequent victims.

You pc virtue signalling deluded types are the ones who are racistS, denying absolute fact, to try and portray yourself as a good person, rather then tackling the difficult issues. Utter wimps. "

Like the utter wimps who think a cock-shot makes a good profile???

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By *J8929Man over a year ago

london

Twist the facts lol, the information is there for all to view, there no twisting about it.

All I can say is that you racist conspiracy theorists have my deepest sympathy.

Racist conspiracy theories? It’s literrally availble on the national office of statistics website.

Black community workers literrally aknowledge this.

It isn’t racist either ffs.

It’s about being honest about somthing so the police and politicians can have confidence tackling such issues, for the good of young black men who are the most frequent victims.

You pc virtue signalling deluded types are the ones who are racistS, denying absolute fact, to try and portray yourself as a good person, rather then tackling the difficult issues. Utter wimps.

Like the utter wimps who think a cock-shot makes a good profile???"

Your profile pic is literrally u lying there with your pecker out you moron

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By *wingin CatMan over a year ago

London

Twist the facts lol, the information is there for all to view, there no twisting about it.

All I can say is that you racist conspiracy theorists have my deepest sympathy.

Racist conspiracy theories? It’s literrally availble on the national office of statistics website.

Black community workers literrally aknowledge this.

It isn’t racist either ffs.

It’s about being honest about somthing so the police and politicians can have confidence tackling such issues, for the good of young black men who are the most frequent victims.

You pc virtue signalling deluded types are the ones who are racistS, denying absolute fact, to try and portray yourself as a good person, rather then tackling the difficult issues. Utter wimps.

Like the utter wimps who think a cock-shot makes a good profile???

Your profile pic is literrally u lying there with your pecker out you moron "

But at least I'm not wanking it like you are!

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By *J8929Man over a year ago

london

You haven’t got the luxery deny it I’m afraid,it’s an unarguable fact.

You can’t see the point of me giving you a clear example of white males in the UK committing more than knife crime than black males, as you suggest?

I don’t know if I could put it any simpler for you. "
at its height Glasgow’s murder rate was 12 a year, there’s has been 18 in London and we r in February. Not quite the same

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By *J8929Man over a year ago

london

Twist the facts lol, the information is there for all to view, there no twisting about it.

All I can say is that you racist conspiracy theorists have my deepest sympathy.

Racist conspiracy theories? It’s literrally availble on the national office of statistics website.

Black community workers literrally aknowledge this.

It isn’t racist either ffs.

It’s about being honest about somthing so the police and politicians can have confidence tackling such issues, for the good of young black men who are the most frequent victims.

You pc virtue signalling deluded types are the ones who are racistS, denying absolute fact, to try and portray yourself as a good person, rather then tackling the difficult issues. Utter wimps.

Like the utter wimps who think a cock-shot makes a good profile???

Your profile pic is literrally u lying there with your pecker out you moron

But at least I'm not wanking it like you are!

In for a penny in for a pound

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By *J8929Man over a year ago

london

Twist the facts lol, the information is there for all to view, there no twisting about it.

All I can say is that you racist conspiracy theorists have my deepest sympathy.

Racist conspiracy theories? It’s literrally availble on the national office of statistics website.

Black community workers literrally aknowledge this.

It isn’t racist either ffs.

It’s about being honest about somthing so the police and politicians can have confidence tackling such issues, for the good of young black men who are the most frequent victims.

You pc virtue signalling deluded types are the ones who are racistS, denying absolute fact, to try and portray yourself as a good person, rather then tackling the difficult issues. Utter wimps.

Like the utter wimps who think a cock-shot makes a good profile???

Your profile pic is literrally u lying there with your pecker out you moron

But at least I'm not wanking it like you are!

My profile pic is my shoulders, you have gone through my pics to see the one your referring too.

However u have just gone straight out cock and hands on hips profile pick, slight noncey tbf, but each to there own.

But tbf calling me on a dick pic which I have in my picks, when you have one as your profile pic ?????? ffs mate that is something else, not the sharpest r u fella.

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By *entish79Man over a year ago

Glasgow

You haven’t got the luxery deny it I’m afraid,it’s an unarguable fact.

Did you read my post?

What exactly is an unarguable fact? Certainly not that black people have a greater propensity to commit violent crime because of their skin colour.

You might be confusing what I did not say, ie that black people don’t commit violent crime....

with what I did say, which was that if black people commit violent crime then it is far more likely to be to do with their socio economic circumstances than it is to do with their skin colour per se.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You haven’t got the luxery deny it I’m afraid,it’s an unarguable fact.

You can’t see the point of me giving you a clear example of white males in the UK committing more than knife crime than black males, as you suggest?

I don’t know if I could put it any simpler for you. at its height Glasgow’s murder rate was 12 a year, there’s has been 18 in London and we r in February. Not quite the same "

Makes you wonder how it could be deemed the murder capital of Western Europe. Would have thought they’d said it about London...

You’re trying to make knife crime a black problem. I’m giving you example of how white males born into similarly impoverished areas can commit just as much knife crime and infact more - keep in mind black males lived in London during the period Glasgow was dubbed the murder capital.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Twist the facts lol, the information is there for all to view, there no twisting about it.

All I can say is that you racist conspiracy theorists have my deepest sympathy.

Racist conspiracy theories? It’s literrally availble on the national office of statistics website.

Black community workers literrally aknowledge this.

It isn’t racist either ffs.

It’s about being honest about somthing so the police and politicians can have confidence tackling such issues, for the good of young black men who are the most frequent victims.

You pc virtue signalling deluded types are the ones who are racistS, denying absolute fact, to try and portray yourself as a good person, rather then tackling the difficult issues. Utter wimps.

Like the utter wimps who think a cock-shot makes a good profile???

Your profile pic is literrally u lying there with your pecker out you moron

But at least I'm not wanking it like you are!

My profile pic is my shoulders, you have gone through my pics to see the one your referring too.

However u have just gone straight out cock and hands on hips profile pick, slight noncey tbf, but each to there own.

But tbf calling me on a dick pic which I have in my picks, when you have one as your profile pic ?????? ffs mate that is something else, not the sharpest r u fella. "

I’m actually wetting myself over the 2 of you going on about each other like that. Funniest thing I’ve seen all night.

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By *J8929Man over a year ago

london

You haven’t got the luxery deny it I’m afraid,it’s an unarguable fact.

Did you read my post?

What exactly is an unarguable fact? Certainly not that black people have a greater propensity to commit violent crime because of their skin colour.

You might be confusing what I did not say, ie that black people don’t commit violent crime....

with what I did say, which was that if black people commit violent crime then it is far more likely to be to do with their socio economic circumstances than it is to do with their skin colour per se."

So not to do with culture?

Because there’s far more white ppl living in poverty in UK, when we talk numbers there is about a million black ppl, and about 50 million white ppl in the uk, if it was all social economic then surely loads of white ppl would be stabbing ppl, but there not.

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By *J8929Man over a year ago

london

You haven’t got the luxery deny it I’m afraid,it’s an unarguable fact.

You can’t see the point of me giving you a clear example of white males in the UK committing more than knife crime than black males, as you suggest?

I don’t know if I could put it any simpler for you. at its height Glasgow’s murder rate was 12 a year, there’s has been 18 in London and we r in February. Not quite the same

Makes you wonder how it could be deemed the murder capital of Western Europe. Would have thought they’d said it about London...

Lol currently it is a black problem in the uk, for example of the 100 knife murders in London in 2018 2 of them were committed by white ppl, over 90 by black ppl, soooooooo kind of is currently a black problem, and like u say yearsssssss ago in Glasgow it might of been a different situation, but it’s 2019 chap.

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By *entish79Man over a year ago

Glasgow

Given that knife crime consistently fell between the early 90s and around 2014, are we to believe that immigration only started in 2014, and that caused it to start rising?

Not a rhetorical question....

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