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"If doctors are diagnosing it, I wouldn't question it if I were you. PTSD is an awful thing and takes years to get over, if at all. I'm just glad it's being recognised now and people are getting the help they deserve. I don't understand people like you. What harm is it doing you?" 
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"If doctors are diagnosing it, I wouldn't question it if I were you. PTSD is an awful thing and takes years to get over, if at all. I'm just glad it's being recognised now and people are getting the help they deserve. I don't understand people like you. What harm is it doing you?" so you know all about it then do ya  | |||
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"If doctors are diagnosing it, I wouldn't question it if I were you. PTSD is an awful thing and takes years to get over, if at all. I'm just glad it's being recognised now and people are getting the help they deserve. I don't understand people like you. What harm is it doing you?so you know all about it then do ya "Ex forces.. if say I've got quite a strong understanding. | |||
"If doctors are diagnosing it, I wouldn't question it if I were you. PTSD is an awful thing and takes years to get over, if at all. I'm just glad it's being recognised now and people are getting the help they deserve. I don't understand people like you. What harm is it doing you?so you know all about it then do ya
Ex forces.. if say I've got quite a strong understanding."Kudos to you. One of my managers is ex forces and has PTSD. | |||
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"So the news now reports that hundreds of thousands of kids and young people are suffering with ptsd . Back in my day it was called growing up , character building , and so on . Shit happens and you pull yourself together and get on with it . So what do you think ? Have kids got it worse today , and will we be seeing thousands more psychiatric nurses signing up to help the youngsters of today ? Or is it just more wrapping people up in cotton wool and giving them an excuse to complain about how the world is such a bad place for them ? " Just because old people called beating their kid, discipline. Doesn't mean that it hasn't messed kids up. So if you can answer yes to any of these questions you probably have PTSD. Did your mum ever hit you over the head with a frying pan? Did your dad ever kick you down the stairs? Did you live in real fear of a d*unk dad and a mentally unstable mum? And no I don't think kids have is worst because they have a way to get help. Nothing changes but our awareness of it. These are real life experiences of my childhood. Try walking away from that without an issue or two. | |||
"So the news now reports that hundreds of thousands of kids and young people are suffering with ptsd . Back in my day it was called growing up , character building , and so on . Shit happens and you pull yourself together and get on with it . So what do you think ? Have kids got it worse today , and will we be seeing thousands more psychiatric nurses signing up to help the youngsters of today ? Or is it just more wrapping people up in cotton wool and giving them an excuse to complain about how the world is such a bad place for them ? Just because old people called beating their kid, discipline. Doesn't mean that it hasn't messed kids up. So if you can answer yes to any of these questions you probably have PTSD. Did your mum ever hit you over the head with a frying pan? Did your dad ever kick you down the stairs? Did you live in real fear of a d*unk dad and a mentally unstable mum? And no I don't think kids have is worst because they have a way to get help. Nothing changes but our awareness of it. These are real life experiences of my childhood. Try walking away from that without an issue or two. " | |||
"If doctors are diagnosing it, I wouldn't question it if I were you. PTSD is an awful thing and takes years to get over, if at all. I'm just glad it's being recognised now and people are getting the help they deserve. I don't understand people like you. What harm is it doing you?" I asked a perfectly reasonable question , and put two possible sides to why I asked the question . Whether you understand people like me or not is completely irrelevant to the question I asked . Of course there are examples of genuine trauma , one only has to have a brief look at the news to see this . But this is reporting that over 25% of children and young adults are suffering . So the potential harm it may do me is that to treat that many people with a questionable perspective on what ptsd really is , would cost billions which we don’t have . | |||
"I do think children(not all) have less resilience these days. Being wrapped up in cotten wool is a big factor in this. When i was young if i fell over or fell off my bike etc i just got up and got on with it. These days, parents, again, not all, molly coddle their kids and the kids have less resilience. Obviously there are cases where kids are genuinely suffering with ptsd but over all kids these days are soft. P." This is true, take mine and Ads kids; My boys were brought up ‘old style’ where if they fell over, unless it was bleeding or broken we wouldn’t mollycoddle them, little hug if needed and off they went but Ads son he knows as soon as he hurts himself he can cry the house down and get pretty much anything he wants and it has turned him into a little boy that is sometimes an ‘entitled child’, he’s getting out of that though because Ads has been on his own for twice a month for him he was parenting the same way as his ex but with four other children now, we can’t bend just for the one if that makes sense? Of course if he hurt himself we don’t just go and tell him to man up or anything but that rush and stuff has gone and he isn’t that winey little boy so much anymore, he even said to Ads the other day ‘I’ve really grown up’, I’m not saying my boys are angels by any means because they can be little demons sometimes but when he comes to the above they are completely different cut. Geeky x | |||
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"If doctors are diagnosing it, I wouldn't question it if I were you. PTSD is an awful thing and takes years to get over, if at all. I'm just glad it's being recognised now and people are getting the help they deserve. I don't understand people like you. What harm is it doing you? I asked a perfectly reasonable question , and put two possible sides to why I asked the question . Whether you understand people like me or not is completely irrelevant to the question I asked . Of course there are examples of genuine trauma , one only has to have a brief look at the news to see this . But this is reporting that over 25% of children and young adults are suffering . So the potential harm it may do me is that to treat that many people with a questionable perspective on what ptsd really is , would cost billions which we don’t have . " I don't care how much things cost, not if it saves lives. Perhaps we need to spend less on taking lives. | |||
"Kids have it as bad today as they did when you were young, only back then people were ignorant of it and called stresses and bad life experiences character building. Except it doesn't build character, it pulls children's minds apart and may damage them forever, or they may need more help when their brains mature. Why people think children are resilient to life stresses that can seriously damage an adult is beyond me. I've heard people say they are old school, got the cane, we're bullied etc as if it was ok, and then seen them decimated by alcohol, drugs and criminal behaviour. I'm glad we have finally woken up to children's mental health problems and don't just sweep them under the carpet like we used to." Love this x | |||
"People take their own lives, because they can't cope. Happened to one of the 'Hardest men I know. Try telling him to grow up." People who are genuinely suffering with ptsd will no doubt be equally as questioning this news report as I am . I’ll repeat what I’ve already said . There are lots of genuine cases , but to suggest over 25% of children and young adults are suffering seems exaggerated to me , and may well be making light of a very serious condition . | |||
"As a mum of a teenage girl I see stress that youngsters have these days that we didn’t have , that’s not to say it’s worse it’s just different and therefore needs a different approach of support. " I agree with that, my step daughter for example when she was in her last year at primary going through SATS her stress levels were unbelievable for an 11 year old. Geeky x | |||
"I imagine those numbers are being pushed by pharmaceutical companies. Is that number mentioned in the OP for Britain? " It isn't just about putting children onto medication. Child mental health services in this country are desperately lacking and underfunded. Counselling is limited and for the severely damaged or children born with brain dysfunction there is very little that they only access as an emergency situation. Back in the day that the OP is talking about these children would be classed as trouble makers and called little shits. We are slowly making progress, but we need to stop thinking children are just little bastards and give them help when they first show signs of needing it. That can only be done by investing money. | |||
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"People take their own lives, because they can't cope. Happened to one of the 'Hardest men I know. Try telling him to grow up. People who are genuinely suffering with ptsd will no doubt be equally as questioning this news report as I am . I’ll repeat what I’ve already said . There are lots of genuine cases , but to suggest over 25% of children and young adults are suffering seems exaggerated to me , and may well be making light of a very serious condition ." On what grounds are you qualified to question psychiatric diagnoses? | |||
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"I imagine those numbers are being pushed by pharmaceutical companies. Is that number mentioned in the OP for Britain? It isn't just about putting children onto medication. Child mental health services in this country are desperately lacking and underfunded. Counselling is limited and for the severely damaged or children born with brain dysfunction there is very little that they only access as an emergency situation. Back in the day that the OP is talking about these children would be classed as trouble makers and called little shits. We are slowly making progress, but we need to stop thinking children are just little bastards and give them help when they first show signs of needing it. That can only be done by investing money. " I don't disagree that services are lacking and underfunded. I also don't disagree that children be given help when they need it. I'm questioning who is pushing these numbers and who funded the report. | |||
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"People take their own lives, because they can't cope. Happened to one of the 'Hardest men I know. Try telling him to grow up. People who are genuinely suffering with ptsd will no doubt be equally as questioning this news report as I am . I’ll repeat what I’ve already said . There are lots of genuine cases , but to suggest over 25% of children and young adults are suffering seems exaggerated to me , and may well be making light of a very serious condition . On what grounds are you qualified to question psychiatric diagnoses? " The words I used were ‘ seems exaggerated ‘ , and ‘ may well be ‘ , so I’ve not said they are wrong have I ? And as far as I’m aware we live in a democracy which means I am perfectly at liberty to question anything I wish to . | |||
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"I imagine those numbers are being pushed by pharmaceutical companies. Is that number mentioned in the OP for Britain? It isn't just about putting children onto medication. Child mental health services in this country are desperately lacking and underfunded. Counselling is limited and for the severely damaged or children born with brain dysfunction there is very little that they only access as an emergency situation. Back in the day that the OP is talking about these children would be classed as trouble makers and called little shits. We are slowly making progress, but we need to stop thinking children are just little bastards and give them help when they first show signs of needing it. That can only be done by investing money. I don't disagree that services are lacking and underfunded. I also don't disagree that children be given help when they need it. I'm questioning who is pushing these numbers and who funded the report. " Find out, if you can. I know from personal experience and what I have read and seen over the years that child mental health services is lacking, and to get the funding someone has to prove it's needed. I read a report about schools taking students off roll, so they don't harm their exam success rates. These students would have been labelled problem students and shipped off to poorly managed special schools or tuition centres, where they are supposed to get counselling, but don't always, or the counselling isn't adequate or appropriate. I believe if we help the children they will have a better chance of staying out of trouble as an adult and having a decent life. Don't wait until they are 18 and then arrest them and put them in prison, where they learn more bad ways. | |||
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"People take their own lives, because they can't cope. Happened to one of the 'Hardest men I know. Try telling him to grow up. People who are genuinely suffering with ptsd will no doubt be equally as questioning this news report as I am . I’ll repeat what I’ve already said . There are lots of genuine cases , but to suggest over 25% of children and young adults are suffering seems exaggerated to me , and may well be making light of a very serious condition ." What is the source of the figure of 25%? | |||
"I work in a SEN school and we have a lot of kids on the spectrum that you would look at as a regular kid but would have been labelled as a naughty kid back when I was at school, thankfully now with awareness of kids mental health these kids get the diagnosis they need to get the help they deserve to achieve their goals that at one point would have been missed. Sadly though due to funding in a lot of areas there’s often a long wait " Imagine how much harder it will be with another 25% of kids getting treatment for ptsd on top of the current mountains parents have to climb to get help for their kids . This is the point I’m trying to make here . I’m not saying there aren’t kids who need help , and who will benefit from that help . I’m saying if there are hundreds of thousands potential kids that aren’t getting help now for what may be a questionable diagnoses , those who really need help will be less likely to get it . | |||
"People take their own lives, because they can't cope. Happened to one of the 'Hardest men I know. Try telling him to grow up. People who are genuinely suffering with ptsd will no doubt be equally as questioning this news report as I am . I’ll repeat what I’ve already said . There are lots of genuine cases , but to suggest over 25% of children and young adults are suffering seems exaggerated to me , and may well be making light of a very serious condition . What is the source of the figure of 25%? " BBC news at one . | |||
"People take their own lives, because they can't cope. Happened to one of the 'Hardest men I know. Try telling him to grow up. People who are genuinely suffering with ptsd will no doubt be equally as questioning this news report as I am . I’ll repeat what I’ve already said . There are lots of genuine cases , but to suggest over 25% of children and young adults are suffering seems exaggerated to me , and may well be making light of a very serious condition . What is the source of the figure of 25%? " | |||
"People take their own lives, because they can't cope. Happened to one of the 'Hardest men I know. Try telling him to grow up. People who are genuinely suffering with ptsd will no doubt be equally as questioning this news report as I am . I’ll repeat what I’ve already said . There are lots of genuine cases , but to suggest over 25% of children and young adults are suffering seems exaggerated to me , and may well be making light of a very serious condition . On what grounds are you qualified to question psychiatric diagnoses? The words I used were ‘ seems exaggerated ‘ , and ‘ may well be ‘ , so I’ve not said they are wrong have I ? And as far as I’m aware we live in a democracy which means I am perfectly at liberty to question anything I wish to . " I also live in a democracy which allows me to question you. Do you have any data? Statistics? Knowledge? Or just gut feelings? | |||
"People take their own lives, because they can't cope. Happened to one of the 'Hardest men I know. Try telling him to grow up. People who are genuinely suffering with ptsd will no doubt be equally as questioning this news report as I am . I’ll repeat what I’ve already said . There are lots of genuine cases , but to suggest over 25% of children and young adults are suffering seems exaggerated to me , and may well be making light of a very serious condition . On what grounds are you qualified to question psychiatric diagnoses? The words I used were ‘ seems exaggerated ‘ , and ‘ may well be ‘ , so I’ve not said they are wrong have I ? And as far as I’m aware we live in a democracy which means I am perfectly at liberty to question anything I wish to . " Why do you think they may be exaggerated? Do you know what is in place at the moment for children and teenagers who may be suffering from stress or ptsd, and may have problems arising from it? Do you know how many meetings and people get involved with child mental health issues with not much outcome, until the behaviour is so severe they have to be taken miles from their family and put into isolation, because not enough was done from the start? | |||
"I work in a SEN school and we have a lot of kids on the spectrum that you would look at as a regular kid but would have been labelled as a naughty kid back when I was at school, thankfully now with awareness of kids mental health these kids get the diagnosis they need to get the help they deserve to achieve their goals that at one point would have been missed. Sadly though due to funding in a lot of areas there’s often a long wait Imagine how much harder it will be with another 25% of kids getting treatment for ptsd on top of the current mountains parents have to climb to get help for their kids . This is the point I’m trying to make here . I’m not saying there aren’t kids who need help , and who will benefit from that help . I’m saying if there are hundreds of thousands potential kids that aren’t getting help now for what may be a questionable diagnoses , those who really need help will be less likely to get it . " Why would the diagnosis be questionable? Are you saying some rogue company has seen it as a way of making money? | |||
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"Mental illness diagnosis and treatment is way behind the times and we are still playing catch up with no end in sight for cures or prevention. With the awareness and diagnosis improvements, it's no great surprise that children previously written off as 'naughty' are now being diagnosed more clearly. The number of children with ptsd is a sad reflection of society as it's become. They're a victim of circumstance and helping them sooner will give them the opportunity to live a better quality of life when they're older. It's hard enough for an adult to process these hidden illnesses so the sooner we address them in children the better. " | |||
"Considering suicide is the single biggest killer of men under 45, I’d say thank the fuck we’re finally getting to grips with all aspects of Mental Health."  | |||
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"People take their own lives, because they can't cope. Happened to one of the 'Hardest men I know. Try telling him to grow up. People who are genuinely suffering with ptsd will no doubt be equally as questioning this news report as I am . I’ll repeat what I’ve already said . There are lots of genuine cases , but to suggest over 25% of children and young adults are suffering seems exaggerated to me , and may well be making light of a very serious condition . On what grounds are you qualified to question psychiatric diagnoses? The words I used were ‘ seems exaggerated ‘ , and ‘ may well be ‘ , so I’ve not said they are wrong have I ? And as far as I’m aware we live in a democracy which means I am perfectly at liberty to question anything I wish to . Why do you think they may be exaggerated? Do you know what is in place at the moment for children and teenagers who may be suffering from stress or ptsd, and may have problems arising from it? Do you know how many meetings and people get involved with child mental health issues with not much outcome, until the behaviour is so severe they have to be taken miles from their family and put into isolation, because not enough was done from the start? " Sadly I’ve seen this happen many times and it’s heartbreaking  | |||
"Mental illness diagnosis and treatment is way behind the times and we are still playing catch up with no end in sight for cures or prevention. With the awareness and diagnosis improvements, it's no great surprise that children previously written off as 'naughty' are now being diagnosed more clearly. The number of children with ptsd is a sad reflection of society as it's become. They're a victim of circumstance and helping them sooner will give them the opportunity to live a better quality of life when they're older. It's hard enough for an adult to process these hidden illnesses so the sooner we address them in children the better. " Preach. | |||
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"I’ve done some more research . It seems that one in three or a third of 18 year olds had suffered trauma and 25% of them led to ptsd . 2,000 children were used in the Lancet study ." So that's about 0.08%, then. | |||
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"BBC news says - One in 13 young people in England and Wales experiences post-traumatic stress disorder by the age of 18, the first research of its kind suggests. " So approximately 2-3 kids in every class of 30. We've gone so very wrong. P xxx | |||
"BBC news says - One in 13 young people in England and Wales experiences post-traumatic stress disorder by the age of 18, the first research of its kind suggests. " That's a really sad statistic. | |||
"So the news now reports that hundreds of thousands of kids and young people are suffering with ptsd . Back in my day it was called growing up , character building , and so on . Shit happens and you pull yourself together and get on with it . So what do you think ? Have kids got it worse today , and will we be seeing thousands more psychiatric nurses signing up to help the youngsters of today ? Or is it just more wrapping people up in cotton wool and giving them an excuse to complain about how the world is such a bad place for them ? " It’s obvious where you stand on this, easy to read between the lines and no doubt you will try to back track. Kids haven’t got it worse today, but there’s plenty of people who should have had treatment in the past but didn’t because it was put down to other things. The shit happens comment is lame and you’re looking for a reaction. Thank fuck the stigma of mental illness is disappearing, it’s about time and it can’t happen fast enough. Especially in younger men. Let’s get it out in the open, think of all the lives it would have saved if people could have talked about their mental problems years ago. | |||
"I’ve done some more research . It seems that one in three or a third of 18 year olds had suffered trauma and 25% of them led to ptsd . 2,000 children were used in the Lancet study . So that's about 0.08%, then. " No 8% | |||
"I imagine those numbers are being pushed by pharmaceutical companies. Is that number mentioned in the OP for Britain? It isn't just about putting children onto medication. Child mental health services in this country are desperately lacking and underfunded. Counselling is limited and for the severely damaged or children born with brain dysfunction there is very little that they only access as an emergency situation. Back in the day that the OP is talking about these children would be classed as trouble makers and called little shits. We are slowly making progress, but we need to stop thinking children are just little bastards and give them help when they first show signs of needing it. That can only be done by investing money. I don't disagree that services are lacking and underfunded. I also don't disagree that children be given help when they need it. I'm questioning who is pushing these numbers and who funded the report. Find out, if you can. I know from personal experience and what I have read and seen over the years that child mental health services is lacking, and to get the funding someone has to prove it's needed. I read a report about schools taking students off roll, so they don't harm their exam success rates. These students would have been labelled problem students and shipped off to poorly managed special schools or tuition centres, where they are supposed to get counselling, but don't always, or the counselling isn't adequate or appropriate. I believe if we help the children they will have a better chance of staying out of trouble as an adult and having a decent life. Don't wait until they are 18 and then arrest them and put them in prison, where they learn more bad ways. " Again, not disagreeing, merely asking for the source. | |||
"I’ve done some more research . It seems that one in three or a third of 18 year olds had suffered trauma and 25% of them led to ptsd . 2,000 children were used in the Lancet study . So that's about 0.08%, then. No 8% " Based on your comment. Rounding a third to 0.3 for simplicity's sake. 25% is 0.25. 0.3x0.25=0.075. | |||
"So the news now reports that hundreds of thousands of kids and young people are suffering with ptsd . Back in my day it was called growing up , character building , and so on . Shit happens and you pull yourself together and get on with it . So what do you think ? Have kids got it worse today , and will we be seeing thousands more psychiatric nurses signing up to help the youngsters of today ? Or is it just more wrapping people up in cotton wool and giving them an excuse to complain about how the world is such a bad place for them ? It’s obvious where you stand on this, easy to read between the lines and no doubt you will try to back track. Kids haven’t got it worse today, but there’s plenty of people who should have had treatment in the past but didn’t because it was put down to other things. The shit happens comment is lame and you’re looking for a reaction. Thank fuck the stigma of mental illness is disappearing, it’s about time and it can’t happen fast enough. Especially in younger men. Let’s get it out in the open, think of all the lives it would have saved if people could have talked about their mental problems years ago. " This. What if the person to cure cancer or bring about world peace died or was institutionalised when they could have been helped? Even if that person was just going to be a regular bean counter, what about his or her suffering? | |||
"So the news now reports that hundreds of thousands of kids and young people are suffering with ptsd . Back in my day it was called growing up , character building , and so on . Shit happens and you pull yourself together and get on with it . So what do you think ? Have kids got it worse today , and will we be seeing thousands more psychiatric nurses signing up to help the youngsters of today ? Or is it just more wrapping people up in cotton wool and giving them an excuse to complain about how the world is such a bad place for them ? It’s obvious where you stand on this, easy to read between the lines and no doubt you will try to back track. Kids haven’t got it worse today, but there’s plenty of people who should have had treatment in the past but didn’t because it was put down to other things. The shit happens comment is lame and you’re looking for a reaction. Thank fuck the stigma of mental illness is disappearing, it’s about time and it can’t happen fast enough. Especially in younger men. Let’s get it out in the open, think of all the lives it would have saved if people could have talked about their mental problems years ago. " Agreed | |||
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"So the news now reports that hundreds of thousands of kids and young people are suffering with ptsd . Back in my day it was called growing up , character building , and so on . Shit happens and you pull yourself together and get on with it . So what do you think ? Have kids got it worse today , and will we be seeing thousands more psychiatric nurses signing up to help the youngsters of today ? Or is it just more wrapping people up in cotton wool and giving them an excuse to complain about how the world is such a bad place for them ? It’s obvious where you stand on this, easy to read between the lines and no doubt you will try to back track. Kids haven’t got it worse today, but there’s plenty of people who should have had treatment in the past but didn’t because it was put down to other things. The shit happens comment is lame and you’re looking for a reaction. Thank fuck the stigma of mental illness is disappearing, it’s about time and it can’t happen fast enough. Especially in younger men. Let’s get it out in the open, think of all the lives it would have saved if people could have talked about their mental problems years ago. " | |||
"I’ve done some more research . It seems that one in three or a third of 18 year olds had suffered trauma and 25% of them led to ptsd . 2,000 children were used in the Lancet study . So that's about 0.08%, then. No 8% Based on your comment. Rounding a third to 0.3 for simplicity's sake. 25% is 0.25. 0.3x0.25=0.075." I take this back, you're right, maths was never my long suit. But this does not mean that 25% of young people have PTSD. And even if it did, it doesn't mean it's fake or weakness. | |||
"I’ve done some more research . It seems that one in three or a third of 18 year olds had suffered trauma and 25% of them led to ptsd . 2,000 children were used in the Lancet study . So that's about 0.08%, then. No 8% Based on your comment. Rounding a third to 0.3 for simplicity's sake. 25% is 0.25. 0.3x0.25=0.075." Should that not be one third of 2000×.25 and then converted into a percentage? | |||
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"The only difference i can see is now there is a name for it. I dont think its got any worse. How many people in their later lives have beeb diagnosed ptsd due to childhood trauma. I lived with domestic violence as a child so did a lot of children back in the 60s and 70s when there was no refuges. Ive been in psyciatric hospitals with ex forces guys and a guy who witnessed his father killing his mother Only difference now it is being delt with at a younger age and hopefully the young people will recover and not have it fuck their whole lives up as it has many mature adults" This. Mental illness is much easier (and thus cheaper) to treat sooner rather than later. | |||
"The only difference i can see is now there is a name for it. I dont think its got any worse. How many people in their later lives have beeb diagnosed ptsd due to childhood trauma. I lived with domestic violence as a child so did a lot of children back in the 60s and 70s when there was no refuges. Ive been in psyciatric hospitals with ex forces guys and a guy who witnessed his father killing his mother Only difference now it is being delt with at a younger age and hopefully the young people will recover and not have it fuck their whole lives up as it has many mature adults" Simple answer from personal experience they might not know they have it. I didn't. I just thought it was normal for you to relive a a tramatic event that happened in your life. It was 4 years later when I randomly looked up PTSD I thought oh so that's what I've been experiencing. There will definitely be lots of people who don't know they have it. | |||
"The only difference i can see is now there is a name for it. I dont think its got any worse. How many people in their later lives have beeb diagnosed ptsd due to childhood trauma. I lived with domestic violence as a child so did a lot of children back in the 60s and 70s when there was no refuges. Ive been in psyciatric hospitals with ex forces guys and a guy who witnessed his father killing his mother Only difference now it is being delt with at a younger age and hopefully the young people will recover and not have it fuck their whole lives up as it has many mature adults Simple answer from personal experience they might not know they have it. I didn't. I just thought it was normal for you to relive a a tramatic event that happened in your life. It was 4 years later when I randomly looked up PTSD I thought oh so that's what I've been experiencing. There will definitely be lots of people who don't know they have it. " It's good to know it's a "thing", though, it's not you. | |||
"So the news now reports that hundreds of thousands of kids and young people are suffering with ptsd . Back in my day it was called growing up , character building , and so on . Shit happens and you pull yourself together and get on with it . So what do you think ? Have kids got it worse today , and will we be seeing thousands more psychiatric nurses signing up to help the youngsters of today ? Or is it just more wrapping people up in cotton wool and giving them an excuse to complain about how the world is such a bad place for them ? It’s obvious where you stand on this, easy to read between the lines and no doubt you will try to back track. Kids haven’t got it worse today, but there’s plenty of people who should have had treatment in the past but didn’t because it was put down to other things. The shit happens comment is lame and you’re looking for a reaction. Thank fuck the stigma of mental illness is disappearing, it’s about time and it can’t happen fast enough. Especially in younger men. Let’s get it out in the open, think of all the lives it would have saved if people could have talked about their mental problems years ago. " | |||
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"The only difference i can see is now there is a name for it. I dont think its got any worse. How many people in their later lives have beeb diagnosed ptsd due to childhood trauma. I lived with domestic violence as a child so did a lot of children back in the 60s and 70s when there was no refuges. Ive been in psyciatric hospitals with ex forces guys and a guy who witnessed his father killing his mother Only difference now it is being delt with at a younger age and hopefully the young people will recover and not have it fuck their whole lives up as it has many mature adults Simple answer from personal experience they might not know they have it. I didn't. I just thought it was normal for you to relive a a tramatic event that happened in your life. It was 4 years later when I randomly looked up PTSD I thought oh so that's what I've been experiencing. There will definitely be lots of people who don't know they have it. " Great point! Can't emphasize that enough. I wonder whether I have it. Someone qualified to recognise the signs and symptoms has suggested it to me. They've also suggested I'm coping well, just to keep talking. | |||
"As a country we are more concerned with finding ways to keep people alive longer than improving quality of life for those will illnesses we can't see. The statistics will get worse because we don't have the resources to help enough people or any likelihood of any cures anytime soon. Once you are diagnosed with a mental illness you are 'managed' rather than cured, in most cases. As more people get diagnosed more people will be added to an already overflowing pot. Something desperately needs to be done to support those living with little or poor quality of life. " Where cures exist they can be sought. But no one knows if they can or will be cured, and this may involve private care if you don't respond to the typical treatment given. | |||
"The only difference i can see is now there is a name for it. I dont think its got any worse. How many people in their later lives have beeb diagnosed ptsd due to childhood trauma. I lived with domestic violence as a child so did a lot of children back in the 60s and 70s when there was no refuges. Ive been in psyciatric hospitals with ex forces guys and a guy who witnessed his father killing his mother Only difference now it is being delt with at a younger age and hopefully the young people will recover and not have it fuck their whole lives up as it has many mature adults Simple answer from personal experience they might not know they have it. I didn't. I just thought it was normal for you to relive a a tramatic event that happened in your life. It was 4 years later when I randomly looked up PTSD I thought oh so that's what I've been experiencing. There will definitely be lots of people who don't know they have it. " but they dont have to know they have it. Coucelling is available for young people who have gone through trauma. Theres lots of programmes for young people to attend. For example if someone loses a parent at a young age their is support groups and coucelling and chances for them to be with other children like them. (thats just an example) holefully the quicker its delt with the quicker they recover and hopefully it doesnt turn into ptsd | |||
"As a country we are more concerned with finding ways to keep people alive longer than improving quality of life for those will illnesses we can't see. The statistics will get worse because we don't have the resources to help enough people or any likelihood of any cures anytime soon. Once you are diagnosed with a mental illness you are 'managed' rather than cured, in most cases. As more people get diagnosed more people will be added to an already overflowing pot. Something desperately needs to be done to support those living with little or poor quality of life. Where cures exist they can be sought. But no one knows if they can or will be cured, and this may involve private care if you don't respond to the typical treatment given. " Very much so.. they're labour intensive treatments that we simply don't have access to as it currently stands. So many could be helped, yet have to struggle on because the specialist support isn't as accessible as physical illness specialists. | |||
"Some of the events that can cause PTSD in children - Natural disasters,War, Exposure to violence,Physical assault, Suffering from abuse, neglect. I think it’s good it’s recognised and that strategies are put in place to help those effected. For example a child witnessing domestic violence will be affected. That’s not part of normal growing up, that’s adults being arseholes and their behaviour affecting the child. If it goes unchecked, the effects will spill over into adulthood and affect someone’s life forever. So yes we should do all we can to help. " I'd add video violence in that list too. It's effects are under played by those with a different agenda, but it's clear it has a huge negative psychological effect upon the development, the wellbeing and development of children. The number of young children who play 18+ video games and their parents think it's good for them is scarry. | |||
" Back in my day it was called growing up , character building , and so on . Shit happens and you pull yourself together and get on with it ." This were the generations that produced the likes of Fred West, Ian Brady, Peter Sutcliffe. Harold Shipman, Dennis Nilsen etc etc so that really fucking worked with how they grew up didn't it!  | |||
"As a country we are more concerned with finding ways to keep people alive longer than improving quality of life for those will illnesses we can't see. The statistics will get worse because we don't have the resources to help enough people or any likelihood of any cures anytime soon. Once you are diagnosed with a mental illness you are 'managed' rather than cured, in most cases. As more people get diagnosed more people will be added to an already overflowing pot. Something desperately needs to be done to support those living with little or poor quality of life. Where cures exist they can be sought. But no one knows if they can or will be cured, and this may involve private care if you don't respond to the typical treatment given. Very much so.. they're labour intensive treatments that we simply don't have access to as it currently stands. So many could be helped, yet have to struggle on because the specialist support isn't as accessible as physical illness specialists. " I've had treatments from the nhs. Had to wait months for CBT and EMDR. Been back three different times for months of therapy. It felt like they couldn't wait to stop treatments for me everytime. Even though I said I wasn't ready they ended it saying I'd be ok and the PTSD would stop. Never has. Shows they are so over prescribed with the amount of people who need treatment that they don't give a full and effective treatment course to the ones currently receiving it. | |||
"I wonder if the rise in mental health issues is more to do with forgetting what kind of animals we are.. When you can put a price on someone's life. That tells me something is deeply, deeply wrong with society. That's what I don't understand when I say I don't understand people like you OP. It wasn't a personal insult or a dig at you.. I just don't understand. Maybe I'm at fault as I feel I'm in a minority and constantly called a communist pig, or hippy, or snowflake.. I'm just a Humanist. " See we have a society that is ever evolving and putting names and tags onto things that didn’t have names back in the day . Realistically we will never solve all the problems in the world , and while you are a humanist , people like me are realists . That doesn’t mean I don’t care equally as much as you do , it means I am realistic about what we are likely to be able to do . You and I both know we haven’t got the funds to spend on 8% of all kids who may have varying levels of ptsd . I’m not trying to say they haven’t got it at all , just that there will be cases that really aren’t anywhere near as bad as others . So let’s look at it from a humanitarian perspective . Any case should be treated , and the more kids we treat the better . So there are 13million under 18s in the UK . 8% have ptsd so that’s just over a million who will need treatment or help . Let’s take the under 5s out and say we need to look at helping over 750,000 kids . So a doctor would see ten a day five days a week . 50 a week . 200 a month then back to the first week . That would be 3750 new doctors we need at a cost of £187,500,000 if they earn £50,000 pa . Not to mention assistants , secretaries etc...... I agree we could save money by no longer fighting wars and so on , but we just aren’t going to find that kind of money are we ? So from a realist perspective I ask how many of these ptsd cases are actually serious enough to warrant treatment ? And how many are people who look for a reason to justify simple ‘ shit happening ‘ . This is what people aren’t understanding from my op . As others have eluded to , it’s always been there , and in some generations I’ve no doubt it would have been even higher . Especially post Second World War . But realistically we have to be sure we don’t just give kids an excuse to use it as a get out of jail card for their behaviour . | |||
" Back in my day it was called growing up , character building , and so on . Shit happens and you pull yourself together and get on with it . This were the generations that produced the likes of Fred West, Ian Brady, Peter Sutcliffe. Harold Shipman, Dennis Nilsen etc etc so that really fucking worked with how they grew up didn't it! "There are just as many psychopaths today as there were then . | |||
"I wonder if the rise in mental health issues is more to do with forgetting what kind of animals we are.. When you can put a price on someone's life. That tells me something is deeply, deeply wrong with society. That's what I don't understand when I say I don't understand people like you OP. It wasn't a personal insult or a dig at you.. I just don't understand. Maybe I'm at fault as I feel I'm in a minority and constantly called a communist pig, or hippy, or snowflake.. I'm just a Humanist. See we have a society that is ever evolving and putting names and tags onto things that didn’t have names back in the day . Realistically we will never solve all the problems in the world , and while you are a humanist , people like me are realists . That doesn’t mean I don’t care equally as much as you do , it means I am realistic about what we are likely to be able to do . You and I both know we haven’t got the funds to spend on 8% of all kids who may have varying levels of ptsd . I’m not trying to say they haven’t got it at all , just that there will be cases that really aren’t anywhere near as bad as others . So let’s look at it from a humanitarian perspective . Any case should be treated , and the more kids we treat the better . So there are 13million under 18s in the UK . 8% have ptsd so that’s just over a million who will need treatment or help . Let’s take the under 5s out and say we need to look at helping over 750,000 kids . So a doctor would see ten a day five days a week . 50 a week . 200 a month then back to the first week . That would be 3750 new doctors we need at a cost of £187,500,000 if they earn £50,000 pa . Not to mention assistants , secretaries etc...... I agree we could save money by no longer fighting wars and so on , but we just aren’t going to find that kind of money are we ? So from a realist perspective I ask how many of these ptsd cases are actually serious enough to warrant treatment ? And how many are people who look for a reason to justify simple ‘ shit happening ‘ . This is what people aren’t understanding from my op . As others have eluded to , it’s always been there , and in some generations I’ve no doubt it would have been even higher . Especially post Second World War . But realistically we have to be sure we don’t just give kids an excuse to use it as a get out of jail card for their behaviour ." Sounds like the old generation who fucked up everything from society to the planet on multiple levels trying to gesticulate to the younger generation to me. | |||
"As a country we are more concerned with finding ways to keep people alive longer than improving quality of life for those will illnesses we can't see. The statistics will get worse because we don't have the resources to help enough people or any likelihood of any cures anytime soon. Once you are diagnosed with a mental illness you are 'managed' rather than cured, in most cases. As more people get diagnosed more people will be added to an already overflowing pot. Something desperately needs to be done to support those living with little or poor quality of life. Where cures exist they can be sought. But no one knows if they can or will be cured, and this may involve private care if you don't respond to the typical treatment given. Very much so.. they're labour intensive treatments that we simply don't have access to as it currently stands. So many could be helped, yet have to struggle on because the specialist support isn't as accessible as physical illness specialists. I've had treatments from the nhs. Had to wait months for CBT and EMDR. Been back three different times for months of therapy. It felt like they couldn't wait to stop treatments for me everytime. Even though I said I wasn't ready they ended it saying I'd be ok and the PTSD would stop. Never has. Shows they are so over prescribed with the amount of people who need treatment that they don't give a full and effective treatment course to the ones currently receiving it. " Absolutely. We are being given the absolute bare minimum, when we are lucky to get the treatment. I'm exactly the same, whilst I'm safe and have a quality of life, I'm far from 'fixed' and I don't believe I'll get that because the resources simply aren't there. | |||
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"I wonder if the rise in mental health issues is more to do with forgetting what kind of animals we are.. When you can put a price on someone's life. That tells me something is deeply, deeply wrong with society. That's what I don't understand when I say I don't understand people like you OP. It wasn't a personal insult or a dig at you.. I just don't understand. Maybe I'm at fault as I feel I'm in a minority and constantly called a communist pig, or hippy, or snowflake.. I'm just a Humanist. See we have a society that is ever evolving and putting names and tags onto things that didn’t have names back in the day . Realistically we will never solve all the problems in the world , and while you are a humanist , people like me are realists . That doesn’t mean I don’t care equally as much as you do , it means I am realistic about what we are likely to be able to do . You and I both know we haven’t got the funds to spend on 8% of all kids who may have varying levels of ptsd . I’m not trying to say they haven’t got it at all , just that there will be cases that really aren’t anywhere near as bad as others . So let’s look at it from a humanitarian perspective . Any case should be treated , and the more kids we treat the better . So there are 13million under 18s in the UK . 8% have ptsd so that’s just over a million who will need treatment or help . Let’s take the under 5s out and say we need to look at helping over 750,000 kids . So a doctor would see ten a day five days a week . 50 a week . 200 a month then back to the first week . That would be 3750 new doctors we need at a cost of £187,500,000 if they earn £50,000 pa . Not to mention assistants , secretaries etc...... I agree we could save money by no longer fighting wars and so on , but we just aren’t going to find that kind of money are we ? So from a realist perspective I ask how many of these ptsd cases are actually serious enough to warrant treatment ? And how many are people who look for a reason to justify simple ‘ shit happening ‘ . This is what people aren’t understanding from my op . As others have eluded to , it’s always been there , and in some generations I’ve no doubt it would have been even higher . Especially post Second World War . But realistically we have to be sure we don’t just give kids an excuse to use it as a get out of jail card for their behaviour . Sounds like the old generation who fucked up everything from society to the planet on multiple levels trying to gesticulate to the younger generation to me." This. Like the boomers who complain about participation trophies. Uh, who gave us the hunks of plastic we knew were worthless? | |||
"It's called ADHD, or when I was young it was a "naughty" kids" No it isn't  | |||
"So the news now reports that hundreds of thousands of kids and young people are suffering with ptsd . Back in my day it was called growing up , character building , and so on . Shit happens and you pull yourself together and get on with it . So what do you think ? Have kids got it worse today , and will we be seeing thousands more psychiatric nurses signing up to help the youngsters of today ? Or is it just more wrapping people up in cotton wool and giving them an excuse to complain about how the world is such a bad place for them ? It’s obvious where you stand on this, easy to read between the lines and no doubt you will try to back track. Kids haven’t got it worse today, but there’s plenty of people who should have had treatment in the past but didn’t because it was put down to other things. The shit happens comment is lame and you’re looking for a reaction. Thank fuck the stigma of mental illness is disappearing, it’s about time and it can’t happen fast enough. Especially in younger men. Let’s get it out in the open, think of all the lives it would have saved if people could have talked about their mental problems years ago. " Couldn’t agree more
It’s heartbreaking to think of all those that suffered in silence because back then it was the “right thing to do”.
I’m also of that era, and I just think of a few dear friends that possibly could have been saved along the way if we’d only had acceptance and a better understanding of MH as we do today... | |||
"As a country we are more concerned with finding ways to keep people alive longer than improving quality of life for those will illnesses we can't see. The statistics will get worse because we don't have the resources to help enough people or any likelihood of any cures anytime soon. Once you are diagnosed with a mental illness you are 'managed' rather than cured, in most cases. As more people get diagnosed more people will be added to an already overflowing pot. Something desperately needs to be done to support those living with little or poor quality of life. Where cures exist they can be sought. But no one knows if they can or will be cured, and this may involve private care if you don't respond to the typical treatment given. Very much so.. they're labour intensive treatments that we simply don't have access to as it currently stands. So many could be helped, yet have to struggle on because the specialist support isn't as accessible as physical illness specialists. I've had treatments from the nhs. Had to wait months for CBT and EMDR. Been back three different times for months of therapy. It felt like they couldn't wait to stop treatments for me everytime. Even though I said I wasn't ready they ended it saying I'd be ok and the PTSD would stop. Never has. Shows they are so over prescribed with the amount of people who need treatment that they don't give a full and effective treatment course to the ones currently receiving it. " This is one of the big failings of the NHS. They'll offer a bit and rarely have I seen full follow through with CBT treatment. It's like they're ticking a box and they move on. It's caused more problems than doing good. I've had referrals where the client has apparently been signed off as ok after 4 sessions . I question even some employed by the NHS as to their real ability in this field. | |||
"I wonder if the rise in mental health issues is more to do with forgetting what kind of animals we are.. When you can put a price on someone's life. That tells me something is deeply, deeply wrong with society. That's what I don't understand when I say I don't understand people like you OP. It wasn't a personal insult or a dig at you.. I just don't understand. Maybe I'm at fault as I feel I'm in a minority and constantly called a communist pig, or hippy, or snowflake.. I'm just a Humanist. See we have a society that is ever evolving and putting names and tags onto things that didn’t have names back in the day . Realistically we will never solve all the problems in the world , and while you are a humanist , people like me are realists . That doesn’t mean I don’t care equally as much as you do , it means I am realistic about what we are likely to be able to do . You and I both know we haven’t got the funds to spend on 8% of all kids who may have varying levels of ptsd . I’m not trying to say they haven’t got it at all , just that there will be cases that really aren’t anywhere near as bad as others . So let’s look at it from a humanitarian perspective . Any case should be treated , and the more kids we treat the better . So there are 13million under 18s in the UK . 8% have ptsd so that’s just over a million who will need treatment or help . Let’s take the under 5s out and say we need to look at helping over 750,000 kids . So a doctor would see ten a day five days a week . 50 a week . 200 a month then back to the first week . That would be 3750 new doctors we need at a cost of £187,500,000 if they earn £50,000 pa . Not to mention assistants , secretaries etc...... I agree we could save money by no longer fighting wars and so on , but we just aren’t going to find that kind of money are we ? So from a realist perspective I ask how many of these ptsd cases are actually serious enough to warrant treatment ? And how many are people who look for a reason to justify simple ‘ shit happening ‘ . This is what people aren’t understanding from my op . As others have eluded to , it’s always been there , and in some generations I’ve no doubt it would have been even higher . Especially post Second World War . But realistically we have to be sure we don’t just give kids an excuse to use it as a get out of jail card for their behaviour ." See you misunderstand, even though you raise lots of valid points. It seems you're under the belief that by being a Humanist, that I'm not a realist at the same time. I see the world for what it is as well as you do. Only I think it's the way we are living as a society that's causing many of these problems. I see upcoming technology that will most likely put many of us out of work. With very few jobs other than service engineers for machines being available. Most large factories these days only have the number of staff they do due to agreements made to provide a set number of jobs. There are more than enough resources for everyone the world over to live in relative comfort. If we allowed that technology to free us up is up to be nurses, doctors, carers, police, Fire Service, teachers, psychologists, councillors, charity workers etc. If we stoped declaring war on everyone all the time.. Would we have a society better equipped to cope with problems of this type, would we all be happier and more grounded. It may sound Utopian silliness to you, but anything less just seems cruel and unnessercary punishment to me. Our Tribal ancestors didn't work the majority of their lives. It was an even split. The community cared for itself, bonds mattered and held people together. Playtime matters enormously for children and grownups alike. Helps us learn and grow. Capitalism just forces us to consume at a rate the planet can no longer sustain. Has made us so competitive that 1% of the world hold more wealth than the remaining 99%. Any idiot can tell you that'sso many levels of wrong. If that's realism.. rationality. Then I'm glad I'm off my rocker. | |||
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"I wonder if the rise in mental health issues is more to do with forgetting what kind of animals we are.. When you can put a price on someone's life. That tells me something is deeply, deeply wrong with society. That's what I don't understand when I say I don't understand people like you OP. It wasn't a personal insult or a dig at you.. I just don't understand. Maybe I'm at fault as I feel I'm in a minority and constantly called a communist pig, or hippy, or snowflake.. I'm just a Humanist. See we have a society that is ever evolving and putting names and tags onto things that didn’t have names back in the day . Realistically we will never solve all the problems in the world , and while you are a humanist , people like me are realists . That doesn’t mean I don’t care equally as much as you do , it means I am realistic about what we are likely to be able to do . You and I both know we haven’t got the funds to spend on 8% of all kids who may have varying levels of ptsd . I’m not trying to say they haven’t got it at all , just that there will be cases that really aren’t anywhere near as bad as others . So let’s look at it from a humanitarian perspective . Any case should be treated , and the more kids we treat the better . So there are 13million under 18s in the UK . 8% have ptsd so that’s just over a million who will need treatment or help . Let’s take the under 5s out and say we need to look at helping over 750,000 kids . So a doctor would see ten a day five days a week . 50 a week . 200 a month then back to the first week . That would be 3750 new doctors we need at a cost of £187,500,000 if they earn £50,000 pa . Not to mention assistants , secretaries etc...... I agree we could save money by no longer fighting wars and so on , but we just aren’t going to find that kind of money are we ? So from a realist perspective I ask how many of these ptsd cases are actually serious enough to warrant treatment ? And how many are people who look for a reason to justify simple ‘ shit happening ‘ . This is what people aren’t understanding from my op . As others have eluded to , it’s always been there , and in some generations I’ve no doubt it would have been even higher . Especially post Second World War . But realistically we have to be sure we don’t just give kids an excuse to use it as a get out of jail card for their behaviour . See you misunderstand, even though you raise lots of valid points. It seems you're under the belief that by being a Humanist, that I'm not a realist at the same time. I see the world for what it is as well as you do. Only I think it's the way we are living as a society that's causing many of these problems. I see upcoming technology that will most likely put many of us out of work. With very few jobs other than service engineers for machines being available. Most large factories these days only have the number of staff they do due to agreements made to provide a set number of jobs. There are more than enough resources for everyone the world over to live in relative comfort. If we allowed that technology to free us up is up to be nurses, doctors, carers, police, Fire Service, teachers, psychologists, councillors, charity workers etc. If we stoped declaring war on everyone all the time.. Would we have a society better equipped to cope with problems of this type, would we all be happier and more grounded. It may sound Utopian silliness to you, but anything less just seems cruel and unnessercary punishment to me. Our Tribal ancestors didn't work the majority of their lives. It was an even split. The community cared for itself, bonds mattered and held people together. Playtime matters enormously for children and grownups alike. Helps us learn and grow. Capitalism just forces us to consume at a rate the planet can no longer sustain. Has made us so competitive that 1% of the world hold more wealth than the remaining 99%. Any idiot can tell you that'sso many levels of wrong. If that's realism.. rationality. Then I'm glad I'm off my rocker. " I don’t think you’re off your rocker at all ! Far from it , and what you say makes a lot of sense . I’d love to see a utopian paradise here on earth , but unfortunately it’s never going to happen while places like Venezuela try something on a socialist level and mess it up as they have . And we see capitalism succeed sufficiently for enough people to think it’s the only way , despite as you rightly say , 1% owning 99% of the wealth . How did that ever happen ? I’m probably closer to your way of thinking than you imagine on most things . And you probably won’t thank me for saying so on the forum like this , but hey ho . | |||
"I wonder if the rise in mental health issues is more to do with forgetting what kind of animals we are.. When you can put a price on someone's life. That tells me something is deeply, deeply wrong with society. That's what I don't understand when I say I don't understand people like you OP. It wasn't a personal insult or a dig at you.. I just don't understand. Maybe I'm at fault as I feel I'm in a minority and constantly called a communist pig, or hippy, or snowflake.. I'm just a Humanist. See we have a society that is ever evolving and putting names and tags onto things that didn’t have names back in the day . Realistically we will never solve all the problems in the world , and while you are a humanist , people like me are realists . That doesn’t mean I don’t care equally as much as you do , it means I am realistic about what we are likely to be able to do . You and I both know we haven’t got the funds to spend on 8% of all kids who may have varying levels of ptsd . I’m not trying to say they haven’t got it at all , just that there will be cases that really aren’t anywhere near as bad as others . So let’s look at it from a humanitarian perspective . Any case should be treated , and the more kids we treat the better . So there are 13million under 18s in the UK . 8% have ptsd so that’s just over a million who will need treatment or help . Let’s take the under 5s out and say we need to look at helping over 750,000 kids . So a doctor would see ten a day five days a week . 50 a week . 200 a month then back to the first week . That would be 3750 new doctors we need at a cost of £187,500,000 if they earn £50,000 pa . Not to mention assistants , secretaries etc...... I agree we could save money by no longer fighting wars and so on , but we just aren’t going to find that kind of money are we ? So from a realist perspective I ask how many of these ptsd cases are actually serious enough to warrant treatment ? And how many are people who look for a reason to justify simple ‘ shit happening ‘ . This is what people aren’t understanding from my op . As others have eluded to , it’s always been there , and in some generations I’ve no doubt it would have been even higher . Especially post Second World War . But realistically we have to be sure we don’t just give kids an excuse to use it as a get out of jail card for their behaviour . See you misunderstand, even though you raise lots of valid points. It seems you're under the belief that by being a Humanist, that I'm not a realist at the same time. I see the world for what it is as well as you do. Only I think it's the way we are living as a society that's causing many of these problems. I see upcoming technology that will most likely put many of us out of work. With very few jobs other than service engineers for machines being available. Most large factories these days only have the number of staff they do due to agreements made to provide a set number of jobs. There are more than enough resources for everyone the world over to live in relative comfort. If we allowed that technology to free us up is up to be nurses, doctors, carers, police, Fire Service, teachers, psychologists, councillors, charity workers etc. If we stoped declaring war on everyone all the time.. Would we have a society better equipped to cope with problems of this type, would we all be happier and more grounded. It may sound Utopian silliness to you, but anything less just seems cruel and unnessercary punishment to me. Our Tribal ancestors didn't work the majority of their lives. It was an even split. The community cared for itself, bonds mattered and held people together. Playtime matters enormously for children and grownups alike. Helps us learn and grow. Capitalism just forces us to consume at a rate the planet can no longer sustain. Has made us so competitive that 1% of the world hold more wealth than the remaining 99%. Any idiot can tell you that'sso many levels of wrong. If that's realism.. rationality. Then I'm glad I'm off my rocker. I don’t think you’re off your rocker at all ! Far from it , and what you say makes a lot of sense . I’d love to see a utopian paradise here on earth , but unfortunately it’s never going to happen while places like Venezuela try something on a socialist level and mess it up as they have . And we see capitalism succeed sufficiently for enough people to think it’s the only way , despite as you rightly say , 1% owning 99% of the wealth . How did that ever happen ? I’m probably closer to your way of thinking than you imagine on most things . And you probably won’t thank me for saying so on the forum like this , but hey ho ." I don't mind you saying that on the forum at all 
I don't think capitalism and socialism can coexist in the world. Capitalism needs to feed.I don't think it's ever had a fair trial. Not that I identify as a socialist. I just see where we were, where we are and where we're heading.
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" So what do you think ? " I think this is up to your usual standards of spouting reactionary Daily Mail-esque shit and then acting innocent when people notice and call you out on it. | |||
" So what do you think ? I think this is up to your usual standards of spouting reactionary Daily Mail-esque shit and then acting innocent when people notice and call you out on it. " I wouldn’t expect anything less from you . At least I give you a reason to come onto the forum and spout your sanctimonious musings towards me . And if that makes you happy then I’m happy too | |||
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"Pop over to the mental health thread OP. A lot of the mental health issues that people are being open about on there will have their roots in childhood trauma of one kind or another. I'd rather we over estimate the number of children experiencing ptsd and offered them some form of support, than under estimate (or worse were dismissive )and leave another generation to struggle with mental health. " I just got back from that thread | |||
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"Another post on here knocking mental health. Let's hope you never suffer from any issues like that" Oh dear , another blasé response without reading all the thread and seeing the perspective of it . How many people who REALLY need help will get missed or ignored if we have 750,000 under 18s being treated for ptsd ? I’m absolutely sure there will be some of those kids in need of help , but 8% of all under 18s ? My suggestion that some may just need to accept that shit happens etc seems to have caused some upset on the forum . And there’s an assumption that I’ve never suffered with mental illness . Maybe I have , and maybe I was grateful I wasn’t sitting behind three quarters of a million kids who had ptsd . Some of whom have it because their pet hamster died , or they failed an exam . It’s about perspective . But hey , that’s ok , I can live with being the bad guy who spouts daily mail shit ( even though I’ve never read that paper , I’m a Sun reader  ) .
I don’t want to see anyone who needs help be denied it . I just happen to think that stories like this are likely to create even longer waiting lists , and make it more likely that people who have a genuine need for help don’t get it . | |||
"Another post on here knocking mental health. Let's hope you never suffer from any issues like that Oh dear , another blasé response without reading all the thread and seeing the perspective of it . How many people who REALLY need help will get missed or ignored if we have 750,000 under 18s being treated for ptsd ? I’m absolutely sure there will be some of those kids in need of help , but 8% of all under 18s ? My suggestion that some may just need to accept that shit happens etc seems to have caused some upset on the forum . And there’s an assumption that I’ve never suffered with mental illness . Maybe I have , and maybe I was grateful I wasn’t sitting behind three quarters of a million kids who had ptsd . Some of whom have it because their pet hamster died , or they failed an exam . It’s about perspective . But hey , that’s ok , I can live with being the bad guy who spouts daily mail shit ( even though I’ve never read that paper , I’m a Sun reader ) .
I don’t want to see anyone who needs help be denied it . I just happen to think that stories like this are likely to create even longer waiting lists , and make it more likely that people who have a genuine need for help don’t get it ."I work in mental health hospital. I know more about this than you ever will. I read your original comment and it just shows how little you know and how shallow you are to even attempt to knock children or adults who may be suffering from mental health issues. As I said lets hope you or those close to you never need help | |||
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"I agree with you in part OP but I also disagree with you hugely in some parts. While the world for you may have been ok and you were able to pull yourself together, some weren’t. So their problems may have been unnoticed. Add to that the stress on young people in today’s world, uncertain future, social media pressures and the constant need / want for likes, views and weird connections. The modern day world is weird, when you look at it. So maybe life was simpler a decade or so ago. Think, twenty years ago, there was no internet. Only twenty years. Crazy. " Am sure there was internet in 1999 bud | |||
"I agree with you in part OP but I also disagree with you hugely in some parts. While the world for you may have been ok and you were able to pull yourself together, some weren’t. So their problems may have been unnoticed. Add to that the stress on young people in today’s world, uncertain future, social media pressures and the constant need / want for likes, views and weird connections. The modern day world is weird, when you look at it. So maybe life was simpler a decade or so ago. Think, twenty years ago, there was no internet. Only twenty years. Crazy. " I agree , there are different types of pressure on kids today . And of course kids don’t get out and play like they did , so there are lower levels of endorphins . And the internet and social media does make life difficult , trying to keep up with friends etc.... but does this really create ptsd ? That’s what I’m questioning here . What determines a diagnoses of ptsd in an under 18 year old . I’ve got 5 kids , eldest is 40 , youngest 11 and I’ve seen no end of kids during my time with them all at schools over the past 35 years . I’ve not come across any kids with ptsd in the whole time the kids have been growing up . And that’s in 3 cities , Nottingham , London and Gloucester . All in comprehensive education , and all the kids had plenty of mates who would be around all the time , and I have always helped out at the schools . So what I’m wondering is where the 8% of kids with ptsd have suddenly come from . | |||
"Kids have it as bad today as they did when you were young, only back then people were ignorant of it and called stresses and bad life experiences character building. Except it doesn't build character, it pulls children's minds apart and may damage them forever, or they may need more help when their brains mature. Why people think children are resilient to life stresses that can seriously damage an adult is beyond me. I've heard people say they are old school, got the cane, we're bullied etc as if it was ok, and then seen them decimated by alcohol, drugs and criminal behaviour. I'm glad we have finally woken up to children's mental health problems and don't just sweep them under the carpet like we used to." | |||
"So the news now reports that hundreds of thousands of kids and young people are suffering with ptsd . Back in my day it was called growing up , character building , and so on . Shit happens and you pull yourself together and get on with it . So what do you think ? Have kids got it worse today , and will we be seeing thousands more psychiatric nurses signing up to help the youngsters of today ? Or is it just more wrapping people up in cotton wool and giving them an excuse to complain about how the world is such a bad place for them ? " I have experience in this area and some children are more resilient than others. Those children that aren't particularly resilient it's usually down down to early childhood attachment. One thing is for sure there is not enough funding or support for people with mental health problems. It's also still taboo which stops people seeking help when it is very much needed. | |||
"I agree with you in part OP but I also disagree with you hugely in some parts. While the world for you may have been ok and you were able to pull yourself together, some weren’t. So their problems may have been unnoticed. Add to that the stress on young people in today’s world, uncertain future, social media pressures and the constant need / want for likes, views and weird connections. The modern day world is weird, when you look at it. So maybe life was simpler a decade or so ago. Think, twenty years ago, there was no internet. Only twenty years. Crazy. I agree , there are different types of pressure on kids today . And of course kids don’t get out and play like they did , so there are lower levels of endorphins . And the internet and social media does make life difficult , trying to keep up with friends etc.... but does this really create ptsd ? That’s what I’m questioning here . What determines a diagnoses of ptsd in an under 18 year old . I’ve got 5 kids , eldest is 40 , youngest 11 and I’ve seen no end of kids during my time with them all at schools over the past 35 years . I’ve not come across any kids with ptsd in the whole time the kids have been growing up . And that’s in 3 cities , Nottingham , London and Gloucester . All in comprehensive education , and all the kids had plenty of mates who would be around all the time , and I have always helped out at the schools . So what I’m wondering is where the 8% of kids with ptsd have suddenly come from . " They were always there. | |||
"If doctors are diagnosing it, I wouldn't question it if I were you. PTSD is an awful thing and takes years to get over, if at all. I'm just glad it's being recognised now and people are getting the help they deserve. I don't understand people like you. What harm is it doing you?
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"If doctors are diagnosing it, I wouldn't question it if I were you. PTSD is an awful thing and takes years to get over, if at all. I'm just glad it's being recognised now and people are getting the help they deserve. I don't understand people like you. What harm is it doing you?so you know all about it then do ya
Ex forces.. if say I've got quite a strong understanding."Shame it has taken this long to do something about it though. As for children with PTSD, they have been suffering in silence with it for years. Some deal with it, others need help. Glad it is being noticed . | |||
"I agree with you in part OP but I also disagree with you hugely in some parts. While the world for you may have been ok and you were able to pull yourself together, some weren’t. So their problems may have been unnoticed. Add to that the stress on young people in today’s world, uncertain future, social media pressures and the constant need / want for likes, views and weird connections. The modern day world is weird, when you look at it. So maybe life was simpler a decade or so ago. Think, twenty years ago, there was no internet. Only twenty years. Crazy. I agree , there are different types of pressure on kids today . And of course kids don’t get out and play like they did , so there are lower levels of endorphins . And the internet and social media does make life difficult , trying to keep up with friends etc.... but does this really create ptsd ? That’s what I’m questioning here . What determines a diagnoses of ptsd in an under 18 year old . I’ve got 5 kids , eldest is 40 , youngest 11 and I’ve seen no end of kids during my time with them all at schools over the past 35 years . I’ve not come across any kids with ptsd in the whole time the kids have been growing up . And that’s in 3 cities , Nottingham , London and Gloucester . All in comprehensive education , and all the kids had plenty of mates who would be around all the time , and I have always helped out at the schools . So what I’m wondering is where the 8% of kids with ptsd have suddenly come from . They were always there. " I think so to. | |||
