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"Will she be able to apply for legal aid if she is not living in the UK?" Don't worry... the press will pay for it. It's just the government's side that'll paying from tax payers money. | |||
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"You're a clever man FiremanSham. This is political, you know where the post belongs." Oops, my booboo. I have an excuse, I'm half a bottle of 57 down this evening - I'm celebrating. Can a mod please move this? Ta muchly. | |||
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"Shoot the fucking bitch!!" This country needs more heroes like you. Who are you going to sort out on the internet next week? | |||
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"You're a clever man FiremanSham. This is political, you know where the post belongs. Oops, my booboo. I have an excuse, I'm half a bottle of 57 down this evening - I'm celebrating. Can a mod please move this? Ta muchly."  I try and avoid politics where possible. I have strong opinions and it'll only cause a whole heap of pain if I get involved  | |||
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"Shoot the fucking bitch!! This country needs more heroes like you. Who are you going to sort out on the internet next week?" IV changed my mind, chop her fucking head off and put it in barrel,you ok with that? | |||
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"Trump won’t be happy ! What nationality is she now then ? I am glad she’s no longer British , we don’t want scum like her besmirching the flag . A proper nasty piece of work ." Oooh I don't think we need her help. We're pretty good at bewitching our own flag. Iraq anyone? The war that created ISIS in the first place. See this is why I don't get involved.. Ignore me.. I'm out. Good luck FiremanSham | |||
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"Shoot the fucking bitch!! This country needs more heroes like you. Who are you going to sort out on the internet next week? IV changed my mind, chop her fucking head off and put it in barrel,you ok with that?" Well it wouldn’t phase her would it ?  | |||
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"Trump won’t be happy ! What nationality is she now then ? I am glad she’s no longer British , we don’t want scum like her besmirching the flag . A proper nasty piece of work . Oooh I don't think we need her help. We're pretty good at bewitching our own flag. Iraq anyone? The war that created ISIS in the first place. See this is why I don't get involved.. Ignore me.. I'm out. Good luck FiremanSham " Quite so , and I watched a bloody good film the other night that proved Sadam didn’t have the supposed weapons of mass destruction at all . I think the way Bush and Bliar did what they did to convince us that it was the right thing to do was terrible . | |||
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"Shoot the fucking bitch!! This country needs more heroes like you. Who are you going to sort out on the internet next week? IV changed my mind, chop her fucking head off and put it in barrel,you ok with that?" ??keyboard warriors just make me giggle like a girl. | |||
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"Shoot the fucking bitch!! This country needs more heroes like you. Who are you going to sort out on the internet next week? IV changed my mind, chop her fucking head off and put it in barrel,you ok with that?" | |||
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" Regardless of anyone's stance on her position, I think it's a shame the Government has decided to take a robust media led stance on a foolish, immature 16 year olds(her age when she left) choices, when there's far more pressing issues to tackle but they shy away from? " Perhaps because they know they will have a huge majority supporting them for making decisions like this ? | |||
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"Trump won’t be happy ! What nationality is she now then ? I am glad she’s no longer British , we don’t want scum like her besmirching the flag . A proper nasty piece of work . Oooh I don't think we need her help. We're pretty good at bewitching our own flag. Iraq anyone? The war that created ISIS in the first place. See this is why I don't get involved.. Ignore me.. I'm out. Good luck FiremanSham Quite so , and I watched a bloody good film the other night that proved Sadam didn’t have the supposed weapons of mass destruction at all . I think the way Bush and Bliar did what they did to convince us that it was the right thing to do was terrible ." Don't agree with me You'll only encourage me. Nice chatting, but I really must go before I let on that Capitalism is the root cause of all humanity's biggest problems. See it's happening again..
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"Shoot the fucking bitch!! This country needs more heroes like you. Who are you going to sort out on the internet next week? IV changed my mind, chop her fucking head off and put it in barrel,you ok with that? "I’m pretty sure he is using this as an example of why she is so despised . She said she wasn’t phased by seeing the heads of beheaded people in barrels . | |||
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"Trump won’t be happy ! What nationality is she now then ? I am glad she’s no longer British , we don’t want scum like her besmirching the flag . A proper nasty piece of work . Oooh I don't think we need her help. We're pretty good at bewitching our own flag. Iraq anyone? The war that created ISIS in the first place. See this is why I don't get involved.. Ignore me.. I'm out. Good luck FiremanSham Quite so , and I watched a bloody good film the other night that proved Sadam didn’t have the supposed weapons of mass destruction at all . I think the way Bush and Bliar did what they did to convince us that it was the right thing to do was terrible . Don't agree with me You'll only encourage me. Nice chatting, but I really must go before I let on that Capitalism is the root cause of all humanity's biggest problems. See it's happening again..
I'm out. Ignore me."nope thats religion | |||
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"Shoot the fucking bitch!! This country needs more heroes like you. Who are you going to sort out on the internet next week? IV changed my mind, chop her fucking head off and put it in barrel,you ok with that?
I’m pretty sure he is using this as an example of why she is so despised . She said she wasn’t phased by seeing the heads of beheaded people in barrels ."Correct | |||
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"Shoot the fucking bitch!!" That's a bit over the top. His only crime was to originally open this topic in the wrong forum. | |||
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"Shoot the fucking bitch!! This country needs more heroes like you. Who are you going to sort out on the internet next week? IV changed my mind, chop her fucking head off and put it in barrel,you ok with that?
I’m pretty sure he is using this as an example of why she is so despised . She said she wasn’t phased by seeing the heads of beheaded people in barrels ."Defending posts like this yet calling Russell Brand a cunt for having left wing leanings. We know what you are. | |||
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" Regardless of anyone's stance on her position, I think it's a shame the Government has decided to take a robust media led stance on a foolish, immature 16 year olds(her age when she left) choices, when there's far more pressing issues to tackle but they shy away from? Perhaps because they know they will have a huge majority supporting them for making decisions like this ? "  call me cynical! Let's be honest, I'm pretty sure there's a fair few parents in here with teenagers who's behaviour and maturity beggars belief (that's growing up), and it's a great insight into people who act like a lynch mob towards her.
People love being all war like and hard over such matters until things get warlike for real.
It's a stupid kid, who needs to be taught a lesson, but crikey some of the comments!! | |||
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"Trump won’t be happy ! What nationality is she now then ? I am glad she’s no longer British , we don’t want scum like her besmirching the flag . A proper nasty piece of work . Oooh I don't think we need her help. We're pretty good at bewitching our own flag. Iraq anyone? The war that created ISIS in the first place. See this is why I don't get involved.. Ignore me.. I'm out. Good luck FiremanSham Quite so , and I watched a bloody good film the other night that proved Sadam didn’t have the supposed weapons of mass destruction at all . I think the way Bush and Bliar did what they did to convince us that it was the right thing to do was terrible . Don't agree with me You'll only encourage me. Nice chatting, but I really must go before I let on that Capitalism is the root cause of all humanity's biggest problems. See it's happening again..
I'm out. Ignore me.nope thats religion"Stop it! It's not by the way. Just megalomaniac men using religion as a tool to galvanise people into war. It's the money and power they want and they'll stop at nothing to get it. Religion is just a tool they abuse.
Faith provides hope, charity, food, warmth, shelter, love, family, care and affection to those who need it. It does as a great deal of good. | |||
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"Shoot the fucking bitch!! This country needs more heroes like you. Who are you going to sort out on the internet next week? IV changed my mind, chop her fucking head off and put it in barrel,you ok with that?
I’m pretty sure he is using this as an example of why she is so despised . She said she wasn’t phased by seeing the heads of beheaded people in barrels .
Correct"And the first comment about shooting her? | |||
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"Trump won’t be happy ! What nationality is she now then ? I am glad she’s no longer British , we don’t want scum like her besmirching the flag . A proper nasty piece of work . Oooh I don't think we need her help. We're pretty good at bewitching our own flag. Iraq anyone? The war that created ISIS in the first place. See this is why I don't get involved.. Ignore me.. I'm out. Good luck FiremanSham Quite so , and I watched a bloody good film the other night that proved Sadam didn’t have the supposed weapons of mass destruction at all . I think the way Bush and Bliar did what they did to convince us that it was the right thing to do was terrible . Don't agree with me You'll only encourage me. Nice chatting, but I really must go before I let on that Capitalism is the root cause of all humanity's biggest problems. See it's happening again..
I'm out. Ignore me.nope thats religion
Stop it! It's not by the way. Just megalomaniac men using religion as a tool to galvanise people into war. It's the money and power they want and they'll stop at nothing to get it. Religion is just a tool they abuse.
Faith provides hope, charity, food, warmth, shelter, love, family, care and affection to those who need it. It does as a great deal of good."since the dawn of time countrys have been at war due to religious beliefs and go back in time and tell all the charity and care stuff to victims of the spanish inquisition or any other historic religious conflict im guessing the phrase holy war was just western propaganda | |||
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" Regardless of anyone's stance on her position, I think it's a shame the Government has decided to take a robust media led stance on a foolish, immature 16 year olds(her age when she left) choices, when there's far more pressing issues to tackle but they shy away from? " The "foolish, immature 16 year-old" thing just doesn't wash with me. If a 16 year old goes off the rails, they drink or do drugs or rob somewhere/someone etc. Those things I would consider as potentially forgivable, one day. This "foolish, immature 16 year-old" was smart and savvy enough to be able to travel over 3000 miles to join a group that, amongst other horrible acts of inhumanity, blindfolded "suspected" homosexuals and threw them from the tops of buildings. No forgiveness from me. | |||
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"Shoot the fucking bitch!! This country needs more heroes like you. Who are you going to sort out on the internet next week? IV changed my mind, chop her fucking head off and put it in barrel,you ok with that?
I’m pretty sure he is using this as an example of why she is so despised . She said she wasn’t phased by seeing the heads of beheaded people in barrels .
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And the first comment about shooting her? "What about it,shoot her chop her fucking head off it makes no odds to me | |||
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"Trump won’t be happy ! What nationality is she now then ? I am glad she’s no longer British , we don’t want scum like her besmirching the flag . A proper nasty piece of work . Oooh I don't think we need her help. We're pretty good at bewitching our own flag. Iraq anyone? The war that created ISIS in the first place. See this is why I don't get involved.. Ignore me.. I'm out. Good luck FiremanSham Quite so , and I watched a bloody good film the other night that proved Sadam didn’t have the supposed weapons of mass destruction at all . I think the way Bush and Bliar did what they did to convince us that it was the right thing to do was terrible . Don't agree with me You'll only encourage me. Nice chatting, but I really must go before I let on that Capitalism is the root cause of all humanity's biggest problems. See it's happening again..
I'm out. Ignore me.nope thats religion
Stop it! It's not by the way. Just megalomaniac men using religion as a tool to galvanise people into war. It's the money and power they want and they'll stop at nothing to get it. Religion is just a tool they abuse.
Faith provides hope, charity, food, warmth, shelter, love, family, care and affection to those who need it. It does as a great deal of good.since the dawn of time countrys have been at war due to religious beliefs and go back in time and tell all the charity and care stuff to victims of the spanish inquisition or any other historic religious conflict im guessing the phrase holy war was just western propaganda
"Don't roll your eyes at me for pointing out the obvious. See this is why I don't bother with politics. I'm off. | |||
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"Shoot the fucking bitch!! This country needs more heroes like you. Who are you going to sort out on the internet next week? IV changed my mind, chop her fucking head off and put it in barrel,you ok with that?
I’m pretty sure he is using this as an example of why she is so despised . She said she wasn’t phased by seeing the heads of beheaded people in barrels .
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And the first comment about shooting her?
What about it,shoot her chop her fucking head off it makes no odds to me"Are you putting yourself forward to do it then? | |||
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"Trump won’t be happy ! What nationality is she now then ? I am glad she’s no longer British , we don’t want scum like her besmirching the flag . A proper nasty piece of work . Oooh I don't think we need her help. We're pretty good at bewitching our own flag. Iraq anyone? The war that created ISIS in the first place. See this is why I don't get involved.. Ignore me.. I'm out. Good luck FiremanSham Quite so , and I watched a bloody good film the other night that proved Sadam didn’t have the supposed weapons of mass destruction at all . I think the way Bush and Bliar did what they did to convince us that it was the right thing to do was terrible . Don't agree with me You'll only encourage me. Nice chatting, but I really must go before I let on that Capitalism is the root cause of all humanity's biggest problems. See it's happening again..
I'm out. Ignore me.nope thats religion
Stop it! It's not by the way. Just megalomaniac men using religion as a tool to galvanise people into war. It's the money and power they want and they'll stop at nothing to get it. Religion is just a tool they abuse.
Faith provides hope, charity, food, warmth, shelter, love, family, care and affection to those who need it. It does as a great deal of good.since the dawn of time countrys have been at war due to religious beliefs and go back in time and tell all the charity and care stuff to victims of the spanish inquisition or any other historic religious conflict im guessing the phrase holy war was just western propaganda
Don't roll your eyes at me for pointing out the obvious.
See this is why I don't bother with politics. I'm off. "As long as u roll them back all is good | |||
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"Trump won’t be happy ! What nationality is she now then ? I am glad she’s no longer British , we don’t want scum like her besmirching the flag . A proper nasty piece of work . Oooh I don't think we need her help. We're pretty good at bewitching our own flag. Iraq anyone? The war that created ISIS in the first place. See this is why I don't get involved.. Ignore me.. I'm out. Good luck FiremanSham Quite so , and I watched a bloody good film the other night that proved Sadam didn’t have the supposed weapons of mass destruction at all . I think the way Bush and Bliar did what they did to convince us that it was the right thing to do was terrible . Don't agree with me You'll only encourage me. Nice chatting, but I really must go before I let on that Capitalism is the root cause of all humanity's biggest problems. See it's happening again..
I'm out. Ignore me.nope thats religion
Stop it! It's not by the way. Just megalomaniac men using religion as a tool to galvanise people into war. It's the money and power they want and they'll stop at nothing to get it. Religion is just a tool they abuse.
Faith provides hope, charity, food, warmth, shelter, love, family, care and affection to those who need it. It does as a great deal of good.since the dawn of time countrys have been at war due to religious beliefs and go back in time and tell all the charity and care stuff to victims of the spanish inquisition or any other historic religious conflict im guessing the phrase holy war was just western propaganda
Don't roll your eyes at me for pointing out the obvious.
See this is why I don't bother with politics. I'm off.
As long as u roll them back all is good " Happy now? | |||
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"Trump won’t be happy ! What nationality is she now then ? I am glad she’s no longer British , we don’t want scum like her besmirching the flag . A proper nasty piece of work . Oooh I don't think we need her help. We're pretty good at bewitching our own flag. Iraq anyone? The war that created ISIS in the first place. See this is why I don't get involved.. Ignore me.. I'm out. Good luck FiremanSham Quite so , and I watched a bloody good film the other night that proved Sadam didn’t have the supposed weapons of mass destruction at all . I think the way Bush and Bliar did what they did to convince us that it was the right thing to do was terrible . Don't agree with me You'll only encourage me. Nice chatting, but I really must go before I let on that Capitalism is the root cause of all humanity's biggest problems. See it's happening again..
I'm out. Ignore me.nope thats religion
Stop it! It's not by the way. Just megalomaniac men using religion as a tool to galvanise people into war. It's the money and power they want and they'll stop at nothing to get it. Religion is just a tool they abuse.
Faith provides hope, charity, food, warmth, shelter, love, family, care and affection to those who need it. It does as a great deal of good.since the dawn of time countrys have been at war due to religious beliefs and go back in time and tell all the charity and care stuff to victims of the spanish inquisition or any other historic religious conflict im guessing the phrase holy war was just western propaganda
Don't roll your eyes at me for pointing out the obvious.
See this is why I don't bother with politics. I'm off.
As long as u roll them back all is good
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"Shoot the fucking bitch!! This country needs more heroes like you. Who are you going to sort out on the internet next week? IV changed my mind, chop her fucking head off and put it in barrel,you ok with that?
I’m pretty sure he is using this as an example of why she is so despised . She said she wasn’t phased by seeing the heads of beheaded people in barrels .
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And the first comment about shooting her?
What about it,shoot her chop her fucking head off it makes no odds to me"So you think our justice system should mirror what is happening in Syria? | |||
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"There are quite a few (around 400 I believe) uk citizens currently living in the UK that have previously travelled to Syria to support IS and then realised that was a fucking stupid thing to do and managed to get out alive. Until now the government have used what I feel us a common sense approach - no support getting out of Syria but support with repatriation if they get out themselves. When she left she was a 15 year old kid viewed by the media and the government as a victim of grooming. I find it odd that she is now public enemy number one to the extent existing government protocols have been rewritten. Even her own family state that she should face charges, I'm genuinely at a loss as to why this is being handled how it is. " I'm not entirely sure, but those 400 you mention, as you say, "realised that was a fucking stupid thing to do" and returned of their own accord, and were subject to police investigation. This girl stayed to the bitter end and is only in this position because her beheading buddies are being destroyed. She has also publicly applauded the Manchester bombings as justifiable and has shown no contrition for her actions so far. I don't wish her dead, I just don't want her back. | |||
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"Shoot the fucking bitch!! This country needs more heroes like you. Who are you going to sort out on the internet next week? IV changed my mind, chop her fucking head off and put it in barrel,you ok with that?
I’m pretty sure he is using this as an example of why she is so despised . She said she wasn’t phased by seeing the heads of beheaded people in barrels .
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And the first comment about shooting her?
What about it,shoot her chop her fucking head off it makes no odds to me
So you think our justice system should mirror what is happening in Syria? "Do they have a justice system in Syria? | |||
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"There are quite a few (around 400 I believe) uk citizens currently living in the UK that have previously travelled to Syria to support IS and then realised that was a fucking stupid thing to do and managed to get out alive. Until now the government have used what I feel us a common sense approach - no support getting out of Syria but support with repatriation if they get out themselves. When she left she was a 15 year old kid viewed by the media and the government as a victim of grooming. I find it odd that she is now public enemy number one to the extent existing government protocols have been rewritten. Even her own family state that she should face charges, I'm genuinely at a loss as to why this is being handled how it is. I'm not entirely sure, but those 400 you mention, as you say, "realised that was a fucking stupid thing to do" and returned of their own accord, and were subject to police investigation. This girl stayed to the bitter end and is only in this position because her beheading buddies are being destroyed. She has also publicly applauded the Manchester bombings as justifiable and has shown no contrition for her actions so far. I don't wish her dead, I just don't want her back. " Here here | |||
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"I have just seen on ITV News that Shamima Begum's UK citizenship has been revoked. Good news, but I'm sure the appeals will continue to build up the legal aid payouts. " No-one is entitled to legal aid anymore ... I was told by a solicitor anyway  | |||
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"There are quite a few (around 400 I believe) uk citizens currently living in the UK that have previously travelled to Syria to support IS and then realised that was a fucking stupid thing to do and managed to get out alive. Until now the government have used what I feel us a common sense approach - no support getting out of Syria but support with repatriation if they get out themselves. When she left she was a 15 year old kid viewed by the media and the government as a victim of grooming. I find it odd that she is now public enemy number one to the extent existing government protocols have been rewritten. Even her own family state that she should face charges, I'm genuinely at a loss as to why this is being handled how it is. I'm not entirely sure, but those 400 you mention, as you say, "realised that was a fucking stupid thing to do" and returned of their own accord, and were subject to police investigation. This girl stayed to the bitter end and is only in this position because her beheading buddies are being destroyed. She has also publicly applauded the Manchester bombings as justifiable and has shown no contrition for her actions so far. I don't wish her dead, I just don't want her back. Here here" Seconded | |||
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"Shoot the fucking bitch!! This country needs more heroes like you. Who are you going to sort out on the internet next week? IV changed my mind, chop her fucking head off and put it in barrel,you ok with that?
I’m pretty sure he is using this as an example of why she is so despised . She said she wasn’t phased by seeing the heads of beheaded people in barrels .
Defending posts like this yet calling Russell Brand a cunt for having left wing leanings.
We know what you are."And what might that be , because I’m not sure what you are saying ..... | |||
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"There are quite a few (around 400 I believe) uk citizens currently living in the UK that have previously travelled to Syria to support IS and then realised that was a fucking stupid thing to do and managed to get out alive. Until now the government have used what I feel us a common sense approach - no support getting out of Syria but support with repatriation if they get out themselves. When she left she was a 15 year old kid viewed by the media and the government as a victim of grooming. I find it odd that she is now public enemy number one to the extent existing government protocols have been rewritten. Even her own family state that she should face charges, I'm genuinely at a loss as to why this is being handled how it is. I'm not entirely sure, but those 400 you mention, as you say, "realised that was a fucking stupid thing to do" and returned of their own accord, and were subject to police investigation. This girl stayed to the bitter end and is only in this position because her beheading buddies are being destroyed. She has also publicly applauded the Manchester bombings as justifiable and has shown no contrition for her actions so far. I don't wish her dead, I just don't want her back. " But as it stands she's got no way of coming back. She's stuck in a refugee camp that she's got no obvious way out of, our government have no precedent or need to repatriate her. Just leave her out there in the mess she's created. I'd guess there are others in the exact same situation. And if she makes it to Turkey the consider what to do then. The whole stripping her citizenship stance is a nonsense, it has no legal substance and is just fuelling the media frenzy | |||
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"Shoot the fucking bitch!! This country needs more heroes like you. Who are you going to sort out on the internet next week? IV changed my mind, chop her fucking head off and put it in barrel,you ok with that?
I’m pretty sure he is using this as an example of why she is so despised . She said she wasn’t phased by seeing the heads of beheaded people in barrels .
Correct
And the first comment about shooting her?
What about it,shoot her chop her fucking head off it makes no odds to me
So you think our justice system should mirror what is happening in Syria?
Do they have a justice system in Syria?"Yes. It's the one you seem to be endorsing of killing people you disagree with. It's odd how she is condemned for supporting murderers yet the same lawlessness you ate condoning as a way if dealing with her? Surely we can't have it both ways? | |||
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" Regardless of anyone's stance on her position, I think it's a shame the Government has decided to take a robust media led stance on a foolish, immature 16 year olds(her age when she left) choices, when there's far more pressing issues to tackle but they shy away from? Perhaps because they know they will have a huge majority supporting them for making decisions like this ? call me cynical! Let's be honest, I'm pretty sure there's a fair few parents in here with teenagers who's behaviour and maturity beggars belief (that's growing up), and it's a great insight into people who act like a lynch mob towards her.
People love being all war like and hard over such matters until things get warlike for real.
It's a stupid kid, who needs to be taught a lesson, but crikey some of the comments!!"I'd agree with that. Especially the bit about war. Well said that man Fuck I'm commenting again  Bad Ghengis! | |||
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" Regardless of anyone's stance on her position, I think it's a shame the Government has decided to take a robust media led stance on a foolish, immature 16 year olds(her age when she left) choices, when there's far more pressing issues to tackle but they shy away from? " In other news.... give 16 year olds the right to vote, they're mature enough to know their minds! Oh wait... | |||
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"Shoot the fucking bitch!! This country needs more heroes like you. Who are you going to sort out on the internet next week? IV changed my mind, chop her fucking head off and put it in barrel,you ok with that?
I’m pretty sure he is using this as an example of why she is so despised . She said she wasn’t phased by seeing the heads of beheaded people in barrels .
Correct
And the first comment about shooting her?
What about it,shoot her chop her fucking head off it makes no odds to me
So you think our justice system should mirror what is happening in Syria?
Do they have a justice system in Syria?
Yes. It's the one you seem to be endorsing of killing people you disagree with.
It's odd how she is condemned for supporting murderers yet the same lawlessness you ate condoning as a way if dealing with her? Surely we can't have it both ways? "What planet are you on,fuck the bitch! | |||
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" Regardless of anyone's stance on her position, I think it's a shame the Government has decided to take a robust media led stance on a foolish, immature 16 year olds(her age when she left) choices, when there's far more pressing issues to tackle but they shy away from? In other news.... give 16 year olds the right to vote, they're mature enough to know their minds! Oh wait..." Exactly , the left wing luvvies won’t be using this one when commenting on this case will they | |||
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"Shoot the fucking bitch!! This country needs more heroes like you. Who are you going to sort out on the internet next week? IV changed my mind, chop her fucking head off and put it in barrel,you ok with that?
I’m pretty sure he is using this as an example of why she is so despised . She said she wasn’t phased by seeing the heads of beheaded people in barrels .
Correct
And the first comment about shooting her?
What about it,shoot her chop her fucking head off it makes no odds to me
So you think our justice system should mirror what is happening in Syria?
Do they have a justice system in Syria?
Yes. It's the one you seem to be endorsing of killing people you disagree with.
It's odd how she is condemned for supporting murderers yet the same lawlessness you ate condoning as a way if dealing with her? Surely we can't have it both ways?
What planet are you on,fuck the bitch!"So you're also encouraging ra pe as a punishment too? Maybe they could throw her off a building? Stone her to death? Do you not think as a civilised country we should have more humanity and compassion? | |||
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"Everything about her is smug, the smile, her words, urgh. She has no remorse and I couldn't care less where she goes, as long as its not the UK " | |||
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"Shoot the fucking bitch!! This country needs more heroes like you. Who are you going to sort out on the internet next week? IV changed my mind, chop her fucking head off and put it in barrel,you ok with that?
I’m pretty sure he is using this as an example of why she is so despised . She said she wasn’t phased by seeing the heads of beheaded people in barrels .
Correct
And the first comment about shooting her?
What about it,shoot her chop her fucking head off it makes no odds to me
So you think our justice system should mirror what is happening in Syria?
Do they have a justice system in Syria?
Yes. It's the one you seem to be endorsing of killing people you disagree with.
It's odd how she is condemned for supporting murderers yet the same lawlessness you ate condoning as a way if dealing with her? Surely we can't have it both ways?
What planet are you on,fuck the bitch!
So you're also encouraging ra pe as a punishment too?
Maybe they could throw her off a building? Stone her to death?
Do you not think as a civilised country we should have more humanity and compassion? "I think its rather crass of us to believe our criminal justice system is some how better or more evolved than that of Islam. I say he who lives by the sword, dies by it. | |||
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" Regardless of anyone's stance on her position, I think it's a shame the Government has decided to take a robust media led stance on a foolish, immature 16 year olds(her age when she left) choices, when there's far more pressing issues to tackle but they shy away from? In other news.... give 16 year olds the right to vote, they're mature enough to know their minds! Oh wait... Exactly , the left wing luvvies won’t be using this one when commenting on this case will they " | |||
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" Regardless of anyone's stance on her position, I think it's a shame the Government has decided to take a robust media led stance on a foolish, immature 16 year olds(her age when she left) choices, when there's far more pressing issues to tackle but they shy away from? The "foolish, immature 16 year-old" thing just doesn't wash with me. If a 16 year old goes off the rails, they drink or do drugs or rob somewhere/someone etc. Those things I would consider as potentially forgivable, one day. This "foolish, immature 16 year-old" was smart and savvy enough to be able to travel over 3000 miles to join a group that, amongst other horrible acts of inhumanity, blindfolded "suspected" homosexuals and threw them from the tops of buildings. No forgiveness from me." There's teenagers carrying out extreme acts if violence and murder in THIS country. Fundamentally it's as a consequence of them being exploited, being impressionable, immature and glamourising aspects of society they dint understand. I daresay the girls messed up and potentially radicalized, but it doesn't wash with me that she's anything but a foolish individual as opposed to some major terror threat! | |||
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"Shoot the fucking bitch!! This country needs more heroes like you. Who are you going to sort out on the internet next week? IV changed my mind, chop her fucking head off and put it in barrel,you ok with that?
I’m pretty sure he is using this as an example of why she is so despised . She said she wasn’t phased by seeing the heads of beheaded people in barrels .
Correct
And the first comment about shooting her?
What about it,shoot her chop her fucking head off it makes no odds to me
So you think our justice system should mirror what is happening in Syria?
Do they have a justice system in Syria?
Yes. It's the one you seem to be endorsing of killing people you disagree with.
It's odd how she is condemned for supporting murderers yet the same lawlessness you ate condoning as a way if dealing with her? Surely we can't have it both ways?
What planet are you on,fuck the bitch!
So you're also encouraging ra pe as a punishment too?
Maybe they could throw her off a building? Stone her to death?
Do you not think as a civilised country we should have more humanity and compassion?
I think its rather crass of us to believe our criminal justice system is some how better or more evolved than that of Islam. I say he who lives by the sword, dies by it. "He who lives by the sword gets shot by those who don't? | |||
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" Regardless of anyone's stance on her position, I think it's a shame the Government has decided to take a robust media led stance on a foolish, immature 16 year olds(her age when she left) choices, when there's far more pressing issues to tackle but they shy away from? The "foolish, immature 16 year-old" thing just doesn't wash with me. If a 16 year old goes off the rails, they drink or do drugs or rob somewhere/someone etc. Those things I would consider as potentially forgivable, one day. This "foolish, immature 16 year-old" was smart and savvy enough to be able to travel over 3000 miles to join a group that, amongst other horrible acts of inhumanity, blindfolded "suspected" homosexuals and threw them from the tops of buildings. No forgiveness from me. There's teenagers carrying out extreme acts if violence and murder in THIS country. Fundamentally it's as a consequence of them being exploited, being impressionable, immature and glamourising aspects of society they dint understand. I daresay the girls messed up and potentially radicalized, but it doesn't wash with me that she's anything but a foolish individual as opposed to some major terror threat!" So what you're saying is that we have enough potentially violent murderous teenagers already? Why the hell would you want more? She is a "foolish individual" who knowingly joined an internationally illegal gang of vicious terrorists who carried out atrocities on all who didn't agree with their ridiculous ideologies. She is an accomplice to mass murder, torture and r*pe, and you want her back? | |||
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"Shoot the fucking bitch!! This country needs more heroes like you. Who are you going to sort out on the internet next week? IV changed my mind, chop her fucking head off and put it in barrel,you ok with that?
I’m pretty sure he is using this as an example of why she is so despised . She said she wasn’t phased by seeing the heads of beheaded people in barrels .
Correct
And the first comment about shooting her?
What about it,shoot her chop her fucking head off it makes no odds to me
So you think our justice system should mirror what is happening in Syria?
Do they have a justice system in Syria?
Yes. It's the one you seem to be endorsing of killing people you disagree with.
It's odd how she is condemned for supporting murderers yet the same lawlessness you ate condoning as a way if dealing with her? Surely we can't have it both ways?
What planet are you on,fuck the bitch!
So you're also encouraging ra pe as a punishment too?
Maybe they could throw her off a building? Stone her to death?
Do you not think as a civilised country we should have more humanity and compassion? "What do you expect from a Nation of people who allow our Armed Forces to be sent to die in a country that's never once threatened the UK. What do you expect from a Nation of Democrats who sit back and do nothing whilst their government has meddled in the Middle East for so long that organisations like Al Qaeda and ISIS have sprung up in its wake. Instead of punishing the likes of Tony Blair, we use a 16yr old girl as a scapegoat to vent our anger on. Decades of selective ignorance on matters such as these make me feel like I don't really belong in this country anymore. If my children didn't live here with their mother, I'd have no regrets leaving the UK behind me. I did my bit, volunteered to put my life on the line to protect you all. Left because the majority of you don't deserve that protection. | |||
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"Shoot the fucking bitch!! This country needs more heroes like you. Who are you going to sort out on the internet next week? IV changed my mind, chop her fucking head off and put it in barrel,you ok with that?
I’m pretty sure he is using this as an example of why she is so despised . She said she wasn’t phased by seeing the heads of beheaded people in barrels .
Correct
And the first comment about shooting her?
What about it,shoot her chop her fucking head off it makes no odds to me
So you think our justice system should mirror what is happening in Syria?
Do they have a justice system in Syria?
Yes. It's the one you seem to be endorsing of killing people you disagree with.
It's odd how she is condemned for supporting murderers yet the same lawlessness you ate condoning as a way if dealing with her? Surely we can't have it both ways?
What planet are you on,fuck the bitch!
So you're also encouraging ra pe as a punishment too?
Maybe they could throw her off a building? Stone her to death?
Do you not think as a civilised country we should have more humanity and compassion?
What do you expect from a Nation of people who allow our Armed Forces to be sent to die in a country that's never once threatened the UK. What do you expect from a Nation of Democrats who sit back and do nothing whilst their government has meddled in the Middle East for so long that organisations like Al Qaeda and ISIS have sprung up in its wake.
Instead of punishing the likes of Tony Blair, we use a 16yr old girl as a scapegoat to vent our anger on.
Decades of selective ignorance on matters such as these make me feel like I don't really belong in this country anymore. If my children didn't live here with their mother, I'd have no regrets leaving the UK behind me. I did my bit, volunteered to put my life on the line to protect you all. Left because the majority of you don't deserve that protection.
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" Regardless of anyone's stance on her position, I think it's a shame the Government has decided to take a robust media led stance on a foolish, immature 16 year olds(her age when she left) choices, when there's far more pressing issues to tackle but they shy away from? " Totally agree with what you are saying. I think it's always worth questioning why (mainstream)media has any stance on any issue. Lack of impartiality means they have an agenda. What exactly is the agenda? Almost always there is something else far more important and newsworthy that's being masked whenever there is ANY media hype about anything. In my view that is a truth. We should be careful about what we read and what we fall for...after all we live in times where the media has the power to make you believe that black is white and white is black. Critical thinking is key
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"Shoot the fucking bitch!! This country needs more heroes like you. Who are you going to sort out on the internet next week? IV changed my mind, chop her fucking head off and put it in barrel,you ok with that?
I’m pretty sure he is using this as an example of why she is so despised . She said she wasn’t phased by seeing the heads of beheaded people in barrels .
Correct
And the first comment about shooting her?
What about it,shoot her chop her fucking head off it makes no odds to me
So you think our justice system should mirror what is happening in Syria?
Do they have a justice system in Syria?
Yes. It's the one you seem to be endorsing of killing people you disagree with.
It's odd how she is condemned for supporting murderers yet the same lawlessness you ate condoning as a way if dealing with her? Surely we can't have it both ways?
What planet are you on,fuck the bitch!
So you're also encouraging ra pe as a punishment too?
Maybe they could throw her off a building? Stone her to death?
Do you not think as a civilised country we should have more humanity and compassion?
What do you expect from a Nation of people who allow our Armed Forces to be sent to die in a country that's never once threatened the UK. What do you expect from a Nation of Democrats who sit back and do nothing whilst their government has meddled in the Middle East for so long that organisations like Al Qaeda and ISIS have sprung up in its wake.
Instead of punishing the likes of Tony Blair, we use a 16yr old girl as a scapegoat to vent our anger on.
Decades of selective ignorance on matters such as these make me feel like I don't really belong in this country anymore. If my children didn't live here with their mother, I'd have no regrets leaving the UK behind me. I did my bit, volunteered to put my life on the line to protect you all. Left because the majority of you don't deserve that protection.
Bloody hell , you really should have walked away from this thread ! "Told you I had strong views. Unlike many people here, I know what war is like. I'd never call for one, unless there were no other option. | |||
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" Told you I had strong views. Unlike many people here, I know what war is like. I'd never call for one, unless there were no other option." Just to confirm ... which war was this ? | |||
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"Shoot the fucking bitch!! This country needs more heroes like you. Who are you going to sort out on the internet next week? IV changed my mind, chop her fucking head off and put it in barrel,you ok with that?
I’m pretty sure he is using this as an example of why she is so despised . She said she wasn’t phased by seeing the heads of beheaded people in barrels .
Correct
And the first comment about shooting her?
What about it,shoot her chop her fucking head off it makes no odds to me
So you think our justice system should mirror what is happening in Syria?
Do they have a justice system in Syria?
Yes. It's the one you seem to be endorsing of killing people you disagree with.
It's odd how she is condemned for supporting murderers yet the same lawlessness you ate condoning as a way if dealing with her? Surely we can't have it both ways?
What planet are you on,fuck the bitch!
So you're also encouraging ra pe as a punishment too?
Maybe they could throw her off a building? Stone her to death?
Do you not think as a civilised country we should have more humanity and compassion?
What do you expect from a Nation of people who allow our Armed Forces to be sent to die in a country that's never once threatened the UK. What do you expect from a Nation of Democrats who sit back and do nothing whilst their government has meddled in the Middle East for so long that organisations like Al Qaeda and ISIS have sprung up in its wake.
Instead of punishing the likes of Tony Blair, we use a 16yr old girl as a scapegoat to vent our anger on.
Decades of selective ignorance on matters such as these make me feel like I don't really belong in this country anymore. If my children didn't live here with their mother, I'd have no regrets leaving the UK behind me. I did my bit, volunteered to put my life on the line to protect you all. Left because the majority of you don't deserve that protection.
Bloody hell , you really should have walked away from this thread !
Told you I had strong views. Unlike many people here, I know what war is like. I'd never call for one, unless there were no other option."You have every right to share your strong views being a veteran who had fought to defend this nation. Glad you got 'woke' and got out alive x | |||
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" Told you I had strong views. Unlike many people here, I know what war is like. I'd never call for one, unless there were no other option. Just to confirm ... which war was this ?" Does that matter? | |||
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"Shoot the fucking bitch!! This country needs more heroes like you. Who are you going to sort out on the internet next week? IV changed my mind, chop her fucking head off and put it in barrel,you ok with that?
I’m pretty sure he is using this as an example of why she is so despised . She said she wasn’t phased by seeing the heads of beheaded people in barrels .
Correct
And the first comment about shooting her?
What about it,shoot her chop her fucking head off it makes no odds to me
So you think our justice system should mirror what is happening in Syria?
Do they have a justice system in Syria?
Yes. It's the one you seem to be endorsing of killing people you disagree with.
It's odd how she is condemned for supporting murderers yet the same lawlessness you ate condoning as a way if dealing with her? Surely we can't have it both ways?
What planet are you on,fuck the bitch!
So you're also encouraging ra pe as a punishment too?
Maybe they could throw her off a building? Stone her to death?
Do you not think as a civilised country we should have more humanity and compassion?
What do you expect from a Nation of people who allow our Armed Forces to be sent to die in a country that's never once threatened the UK. What do you expect from a Nation of Democrats who sit back and do nothing whilst their government has meddled in the Middle East for so long that organisations like Al Qaeda and ISIS have sprung up in its wake.
Instead of punishing the likes of Tony Blair, we use a 16yr old girl as a scapegoat to vent our anger on.
Decades of selective ignorance on matters such as these make me feel like I don't really belong in this country anymore. If my children didn't live here with their mother, I'd have no regrets leaving the UK behind me. I did my bit, volunteered to put my life on the line to protect you all. Left because the majority of you don't deserve that protection.
Bloody hell , you really should have walked away from this thread !
Told you I had strong views. Unlike many people here, I know what war is like. I'd never call for one, unless there were no other option.
You have every right to share your strong views being a veteran who had fought to defend this nation. Glad you got 'woke' and got out alive x"Cheers | |||
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"Whether or not she is/was a child, she is a threat to our children - that is priority here. " Out of interest, how is she a threat to children? | |||
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"Whether or not she is/was a child, she is a threat to our children - that is priority here. Out of interest, how is she a threat to children? " Are you Jeremy Corbyn? | |||
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"This is why politics needs to stay in the politics Forum. "Or just ignore the thread instead of keep saying this and that you won't be commenting again The thread is fine in here | |||
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"This is why politics needs to stay in the politics Forum.
Or just ignore the thread instead of keep saying this and that you won't be commenting again
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"Whether or not she is/was a child, she is a threat to our children - that is priority here. Out of interest, how is she a threat to children? " Her ideology is a threat to everyone in your country, including children. Just ask the parents of the school kids killed in the Manchester concert. | |||
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"Whether or not she is/was a child, she is a threat to our children - that is priority here. Out of interest, how is she a threat to children? Her ideology is a threat to everyone in your country, including children. Just ask the parents of the school kids killed in the Manchester concert." | |||
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"Whether or not she is/was a child, she is a threat to our children - that is priority here. Out of interest, how is she a threat to children? " Prevent duty and British values are the government response to addressing radicalisation is active in Schools and Nurseries all across the UK. It's a big issue for Ofsted. So yes, her and people like her are a threat, because research suggests that it is the vulnera ble (children) who are more at risk of being radicalised | |||
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"Whether or not she is/was a child, she is a threat to our children - that is priority here. Out of interest, how is she a threat to children? Her ideology is a threat to everyone in your country, including children. Just ask the parents of the school kids killed in the Manchester concert." | |||
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"Eh she’s hardly any different to any other British soldier "She is no longer British though | |||
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"Whether or not she is/was a child, she is a threat to our children - that is priority here. Out of interest, how is she a threat to children? Her ideology is a threat to everyone in your country, including children. Just ask the parents of the school kids killed in the Manchester concert." So she's not a threat specifically, just her ideals? Can we nor learn from her? Others have been deradicalised. Do you not think how she was groomed and radicalised is something as a society we could learn from? | |||
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"Eh she’s hardly any different to any other British soldier
She is no longer British though"Well she is. People seem to be ignoring the fact that having her citizenship stripped is just empty words. | |||
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"Whether or not she is/was a child, she is a threat to our children - that is priority here. Out of interest, how is she a threat to children? Prevent duty and British values are the government response to addressing radicalisation is active in Schools and Nurseries all across the UK. It's a big issue for Ofsted. So yes, her and people like her are a threat, because research suggests that it is the vulnera ble (children) who are more at risk of being radicalised" And that's kind of the point isn't it? People throughout thus thread have refused to recognise that she was a vulnerable child who was radicalised though? We want to protect children from being groomed and radicalised but if they are radicalised we want to abandon them. How can we have it both ways? | |||
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"Whether or not she is/was a child, she is a threat to our children - that is priority here. Out of interest, how is she a threat to children? Her ideology is a threat to everyone in your country, including children. Just ask the parents of the school kids killed in the Manchester concert. So she's not a threat specifically, just her ideals? Can we nor learn from her? Others have been deradicalised. Do you not think how she was groomed and radicalised is something as a society we could learn from? " Are you serious ? Just her ideals ? The very same ideals that radicalise so many kids who go on to join groups like isis . Kids who grow up here , then join isis and behead innocent people to show us what they are now capable of . Yeah , she and others like her are no threat at all are they ? Let’s learn from her how we can see severed heads in barrels and not let it phase us . Let’s learn how to see innocent kids and people attending a concert being murdered as fair . Or let’s not , and let’s see the threat of further radicalisation removed from our island and left to rot where they belong . Let the kids who may be tempted by isis see radicalised people like her suffer and perhaps then it may stop . | |||
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"Whether or not she is/was a child, she is a threat to our children - that is priority here. Out of interest, how is she a threat to children? Prevent duty and British values are the government response to addressing radicalisation is active in Schools and Nurseries all across the UK. It's a big issue for Ofsted. So yes, her and people like her are a threat, because research suggests that it is the vulnera ble (children) who are more at risk of being radicalised And that's kind of the point isn't it? People throughout thus thread have refused to recognise that she was a vulnerable child who was radicalised though? We want to protect children from being groomed and radicalised but if they are radicalised we want to abandon them. How can we have it both ways? " Because she has no remorse and is now an adult? | |||
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"I have been thinking about this and my opinion has changed from my initial knee jerk opinion. Trouble is when see her I see a arogant, rebellious teenager who lacks the maturity and life experiance to have made an informed veiw of the world. She had effectively been groomed. So part of me hates to see another young life thrown away. Teenagers often make bad choices and look in the wrong places for the answers, be it online paedophiles, extremist political groups, cults or terrorist groups. I know she is the villain in this piece but she is also a victim. The world is not black and white. Having said that she is still brain washed and we need to risk assess the threat she poses. If she does return to the UK she need to face just justice for the crimes she has committed. But we should Not just look for our pound of meat and simply seek punishment. We should look to deradicalise and give the girl a future beyond prison and the chance to contribute. If we can make good of this girl and her child we will have another victory against ISIS and futher prove their ideology is wrong. " Exactly. We have former gang members warning kids off gangs violence and knives, recovered junkies and alcoholics warning kids off drugs and alcohol, surely someone who was groomed by IS is the perfect person to warn against them? For all her bravado the reality is tgat her husband's dead, her friends she went out there with are dead, 2 of her kids are dead and she is desperate to get back here. She's not going to be recommending that shit to anyone | |||
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"Whether or not she is/was a child, she is a threat to our children - that is priority here. Out of interest, how is she a threat to children? Her ideology is a threat to everyone in your country, including children. Just ask the parents of the school kids killed in the Manchester concert. So she's not a threat specifically, just her ideals? Can we nor learn from her? Others have been deradicalised. Do you not think how she was groomed and radicalised is something as a society we could learn from? Are you serious ? Just her ideals ? The very same ideals that radicalise so many kids who go on to join groups like isis . Kids who grow up here , then join isis and behead innocent people to show us what they are now capable of . Yeah , she and others like her are no threat at all are they ? Let’s learn from her how we can see severed heads in barrels and not let it phase us . Let’s learn how to see innocent kids and people attending a concert being murdered as fair . Or let’s not , and let’s see the threat of further radicalisation removed from our island and left to rot where they belong . Let the kids who may be tempted by isis see radicalised people like her suffer and perhaps then it may stop . " Absolutely | |||
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"Whether or not she is/was a child, she is a threat to our children - that is priority here. Out of interest, how is she a threat to children? Her ideology is a threat to everyone in your country, including children. Just ask the parents of the school kids killed in the Manchester concert. So she's not a threat specifically, just her ideals? Can we nor learn from her? Others have been deradicalised. Do you not think how she was groomed and radicalised is something as a society we could learn from? " Our society should learn to recognize a threat to our way of life in general and to the safety of its citizens, including our loved ones and move to negate that threat. People with her ideology care nothing for your compassion, empathy or understanding. They hate you for what you are and would show no remorse where you to be killed in one of their terror attacks. Very few are ever deradicalused and why should you take the chance she might be? All at taxpayers expense I might add. | |||
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"I have been thinking about this and my opinion has changed from my initial knee jerk opinion. Trouble is when see her I see a arogant, rebellious teenager who lacks the maturity and life experiance to have made an informed veiw of the world. She had effectively been groomed. So part of me hates to see another young life thrown away. Teenagers often make bad choices and look in the wrong places for the answers, be it online paedophiles, extremist political groups, cults or terrorist groups. I know she is the villain in this piece but she is also a victim. The world is not black and white. Having said that she is still brain washed and we need to risk assess the threat she poses. If she does return to the UK she need to face just justice for the crimes she has committed. But we should Not just look for our pound of meat and simply seek punishment. We should look to deradicalise and give the girl a future beyond prison and the chance to contribute. If we can make good of this girl and her child we will have another victory against ISIS and futher prove their ideology is wrong. Exactly. We have former gang members warning kids off gangs violence and knives, recovered junkies and alcoholics warning kids off drugs and alcohol, surely someone who was groomed by IS is the perfect person to warn against them? For all her bravado the reality is tgat her husband's dead, her friends she went out there with are dead, 2 of her kids are dead and she is desperate to get back here. She's not going to be recommending that shit to anyone" And gang crime , knifing , drug use and alcohol abuse is ever increasing , so a fat lot of good all that does . This is exactly why the left wing luvvie mentality will never sit well with me and so many other law abiding citizens in the UK . The whole belief that you can do as you please with no retribution is ever more apparent thanks to your way of thinking , and all those like you . Rehabilitation rather than punishment seems to be ever more so the way we are going , yet crime goes up , and innocent people suffer as a result of it . Somewhere down the line the luvvies will wake up and smell the coffee , realise it’s not working and maybe then we can teach those who do wrong that it doesn’t pay . | |||
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"The enemy within. That is exactly what is happening in this country. This girl is not the only one trying to come back. No other country in the world would contemplate allowing her to return. " Actually there are countries across Europe that have allowed people to return from Syria. The notion that we are a soft touch in that respect is wrong | |||
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"The enemy within. That is exactly what is happening in this country. This girl is not the only one trying to come back. No other country in the world would contemplate allowing her to return. Actually there are countries across Europe that have allowed people to return from Syria. The notion that we are a soft touch in that respect is wrong " I disagree. We are a soft touch. If we are debating it that shows we’re a soft touch. It isn’t a question that should be raised in my opinion. She left. Leave her to her beliefs. | |||
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"The enemy within. That is exactly what is happening in this country. This girl is not the only one trying to come back. No other country in the world would contemplate allowing her to return. Actually there are countries across Europe that have allowed people to return from Syria. The notion that we are a soft touch in that respect is wrong " No it's not wrong, however you are,maybe you can get your spare room ready for her | |||
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"The enemy within. That is exactly what is happening in this country. This girl is not the only one trying to come back. No other country in the world would contemplate allowing her to return. Actually there are countries across Europe that have allowed people to return from Syria. The notion that we are a soft touch in that respect is wrong No it's not wrong, however you are,maybe you can get your spare room ready for her" No right minded person would do such a thing , not on my doorstep comes to mind . The luvvie mentality is fine and dandy till it comes to their own , then it all goes quiet . | |||
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"I have been thinking about this and my opinion has changed from my initial knee jerk opinion. Trouble is when see her I see a arogant, rebellious teenager who lacks the maturity and life experiance to have made an informed veiw of the world. She had effectively been groomed. So part of me hates to see another young life thrown away. Teenagers often make bad choices and look in the wrong places for the answers, be it online paedophiles, extremist political groups, cults or terrorist groups. I know she is the villain in this piece but she is also a victim. The world is not black and white. Having said that she is still brain washed and we need to risk assess the threat she poses. If she does return to the UK she need to face just justice for the crimes she has committed. But we should Not just look for our pound of meat and simply seek punishment. We should look to deradicalise and give the girl a future beyond prison and the chance to contribute. If we can make good of this girl and her child we will have another victory against ISIS and futher prove their ideology is wrong. Exactly. We have former gang members warning kids off gangs violence and knives, recovered junkies and alcoholics warning kids off drugs and alcohol, surely someone who was groomed by IS is the perfect person to warn against them? For all her bravado the reality is tgat her husband's dead, her friends she went out there with are dead, 2 of her kids are dead and she is desperate to get back here. She's not going to be recommending that shit to anyone And gang crime , knifing , drug use and alcohol abuse is ever increasing , so a fat lot of good all that does . This is exactly why the left wing luvvie mentality will never sit well with me and so many other law abiding citizens in the UK . The whole belief that you can do as you please with no retribution is ever more apparent thanks to your way of thinking , and all those like you . Rehabilitation rather than punishment seems to be ever more so the way we are going , yet crime goes up , and innocent people suffer as a result of it . Somewhere down the line the luvvies will wake up and smell the coffee , realise it’s not working and maybe then we can teach those who do wrong that it doesn’t pay ." | |||
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"I have been thinking about this and my opinion has changed from my initial knee jerk opinion. Trouble is when see her I see a arogant, rebellious teenager who lacks the maturity and life experiance to have made an informed veiw of the world. She had effectively been groomed. So part of me hates to see another young life thrown away. Teenagers often make bad choices and look in the wrong places for the answers, be it online paedophiles, extremist political groups, cults or terrorist groups. I know she is the villain in this piece but she is also a victim. The world is not black and white. Having said that she is still brain washed and we need to risk assess the threat she poses. If she does return to the UK she need to face just justice for the crimes she has committed. But we should Not just look for our pound of meat and simply seek punishment. We should look to deradicalise and give the girl a future beyond prison and the chance to contribute. If we can make good of this girl and her child we will have another victory against ISIS and futher prove their ideology is wrong. Exactly. We have former gang members warning kids off gangs violence and knives, recovered junkies and alcoholics warning kids off drugs and alcohol, surely someone who was groomed by IS is the perfect person to warn against them? For all her bravado the reality is tgat her husband's dead, her friends she went out there with are dead, 2 of her kids are dead and she is desperate to get back here. She's not going to be recommending that shit to anyone" Exactly. If her side was still holding territory. Murdering civilians, destroying ancient ruins. Beheading westerners.... she'd be happy to stay. | |||
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" This is exactly why the left wing luvvie mentality will never sit well with me and so many other law abiding citizens in the UK . The whole belief that you can do as you please with no retribution is ever more apparent thanks to your way of thinking , and all those like you . Rehabilitation rather than punishment seems to be ever more so the way we are going , yet crime goes up , and innocent people suffer as a result of it . Somewhere down the line the luvvies will wake up and smell the coffee , realise it’s not working and maybe then we can teach those who do wrong that it doesn’t pay." Sorry, something that seems to be slipping your mind is that the escalation of crime you speak of has been happening under a conservative government.. Its funny, this isn't the first time I`ve seen you coming out with all that "left wing luvvie" bollocks, & yet your in an overwhelmingly white English part of the country, largely unaffected by the crimes you seem to be so paranoid about. I can only therefore assume that all this paranoia has come from the media you chose to follow, as opposed to any real contact, & yet, you feel you are in a place of authority to preach that gospel.. And isn't that always the way with your type.. The only vague difference with you is that you seem to have had a reasonable education, you know how to spell, punctuate & don't feel the need to have your caps lock on to give yourself some kind of authoritative keyboard warrior power. Funnily enough, someone sent me a picture of a sticker on a lamppost in Gloucester town centre last week, an official sticker spreading the news that the NF is back in town & is recruiting.. I still have the picture, I can give you the website address if you like? | |||
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" This is exactly why the left wing luvvie mentality will never sit well with me and so many other law abiding citizens in the UK . The whole belief that you can do as you please with no retribution is ever more apparent thanks to your way of thinking , and all those like you . Rehabilitation rather than punishment seems to be ever more so the way we are going , yet crime goes up , and innocent people suffer as a result of it . Somewhere down the line the luvvies will wake up and smell the coffee , realise it’s not working and maybe then we can teach those who do wrong that it doesn’t pay. Sorry, something that seems to be slipping your mind is that the escalation of crime you speak of has been happening under a conservative government.. Its funny, this isn't the first time I`ve seen you coming out with all that "left wing luvvie" bollocks, & yet your in an overwhelmingly white English part of the country, largely unaffected by the crimes you seem to be so paranoid about. I can only therefore assume that all this paranoia has come from the media you chose to follow, as opposed to any real contact, & yet, you feel you are in a place of authority to preach that gospel.. And isn't that always the way with your type.. The only vague difference with you is that you seem to have had a reasonable education, you know how to spell, punctuate & don't feel the need to have your caps lock on to give yourself some kind of authoritative keyboard warrior power. Funnily enough, someone sent me a picture of a sticker on a lamppost in Gloucester town centre last week, an official sticker spreading the news that the NF is back in town & is recruiting.. I still have the picture, I can give you the website address if you like?" I can only imagine what goes through the mind of someone who turns my post ( however you’ve only used a part of it without the post I was responding to ) , into a racial slant . Not once have I made any racial slur , yet you offer me a website address which was sent to you from Gloucester city ( not town as there is a wonderful cathedral here ) centre , offering National Front recruitment . What possible reason would you think I would have to be even remotely interested in that ? Since I was born in London and spent my childhood there before moving to Hyson Green in Nottingham for ten years where there was a very high % of black and Asian people , I am fully aware of real contact as you put it . And I don’t see what that has got to do with this topic at all . I have no reason to justify myself to you or anyone else , but since you choose to call me out in a public forum , I will say that I have a very broad and mixed group of friends , and the colour of their skin and their origin is something I have never considered to be relevant . So just because I don’t have any time for left wing luvvies doesn’t make me a potential National Front member , and it’s a small minded sad person who would think it did . | |||
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"You're a clever man FiremanSham. This is political, you know where the post belongs. Oops, my booboo. I have an excuse, I'm half a bottle of 57 down this evening - I'm celebrating. Can a mod please move this? Ta muchly. I try and avoid politics where possible. I have strong opinions and it'll only cause a whole heap of pain if I get involved "I am the same ... gets me into trouble sometimes | |||
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"Combat this extremism by having her tortured then hung, drawn and quartered before finally parading her head on a pike around the streets of London." As done in Afghanistan, Syria, etc etc | |||
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"Combat this extremism by having her tortured then hung, drawn and quartered before finally parading her head on a pike around the streets of London." I get where that's coming from, my brother in law served and still has his struggles to this day since he came back. But I don't want my kids growing up and that becoming normal. We would be no better than their country. That is the norm for ISIS, not here we are civilised, dony want my kids or me for that matter seeing heads paraded. That's how they do things in their country. We bring that here we are effectively turning into them ... defintely a no from me. | |||
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"You're a clever man FiremanSham. This is political, you know where the post belongs. Oops, my booboo. I have an excuse, I'm half a bottle of 57 down this evening - I'm celebrating. Can a mod please move this? Ta muchly. I try and avoid politics where possible. I have strong opinions and it'll only cause a whole heap of pain if I get involved
I am the same ... gets me into trouble sometimes "I can hold my tongue on most things, but when it comes to this stuff.. I really struggle. Maybe it's because I'm a snowflake, bleeding heart liberal? Or mayb it's the friends I've lost to combat and PTSD? | |||
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"You're a clever man FiremanSham. This is political, you know where the post belongs. Oops, my booboo. I have an excuse, I'm half a bottle of 57 down this evening - I'm celebrating. Can a mod please move this? Ta muchly. I try and avoid politics where possible. I have strong opinions and it'll only cause a whole heap of pain if I get involved
I am the same ... gets me into trouble sometimes
I can hold my tongue on most things, but when it comes to this stuff.. I really struggle.
Maybe it's because I'm a snowflake, bleeding heart liberal? Or mayb it's the friends I've lost to combat and PTSD?
"So how does moving it to the politics section do anything? Does the single extra mouse click it takes to get to the thread really resolve your "struggle". | |||
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"You're a clever man FiremanSham. This is political, you know where the post belongs. Oops, my booboo. I have an excuse, I'm half a bottle of 57 down this evening - I'm celebrating. Can a mod please move this? Ta muchly. I try and avoid politics where possible. I have strong opinions and it'll only cause a whole heap of pain if I get involved
I am the same ... gets me into trouble sometimes
I can hold my tongue on most things, but when it comes to this stuff.. I really struggle.
Maybe it's because I'm a snowflake, bleeding heart liberal? Or mayb it's the friends I've lost to combat and PTSD?
So how does moving it to the politics section do anything?
Does the single extra mouse click it takes to get to the thread really resolve your "struggle"."I'm not commenting on that, mod made their view clear. | |||
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"I have been thinking about this and my opinion has changed from my initial knee jerk opinion. Trouble is when see her I see a arogant, rebellious teenager who lacks the maturity and life experiance to have made an informed veiw of the world. She had effectively been groomed. So part of me hates to see another young life thrown away. Teenagers often make bad choices and look in the wrong places for the answers, be it online paedophiles, extremist political groups, cults or terrorist groups. I know she is the villain in this piece but she is also a victim. The world is not black and white. Having said that she is still brain washed and we need to risk assess the threat she poses. If she does return to the UK she need to face just justice for the crimes she has committed. But we should Not just look for our pound of meat and simply seek punishment. We should look to deradicalise and give the girl a future beyond prison and the chance to contribute. If we can make good of this girl and her child we will have another victory against ISIS and futher prove their ideology is wrong. Exactly. We have former gang members warning kids off gangs violence and knives, recovered junkies and alcoholics warning kids off drugs and alcohol, surely someone who was groomed by IS is the perfect person to warn against them? For all her bravado the reality is tgat her husband's dead, her friends she went out there with are dead, 2 of her kids are dead and she is desperate to get back here. She's not going to be recommending that shit to anyone" You'reabsolutely right, we do have former gang members warning kids off gangs violence and knives, recovered junkies and alcoholics warning kids off drugs and alcohol. The difference is these people have renounced their former lives of their own free will, see that their behaviours were wrong and want to ensure others don't follow their path. She has done none of this, hasn't renounced the regime she chose to follow, hasn't apologised for her actions and shows no remorse. In her eyes, words and actions she's done no wrong. Maybe if she does she can do some good. Until then....... | |||
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"But you wouldn’t want to shag her. Do we know who the father is ?" Yesh the 27 year old dutch jihadi she was married to. She went over filled in the forms to apply for a jihadi husband and got one. Not even shitting you theres forms | |||
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"There are adult women who travel half way across the globe to marry death row prisoners. They aren't impressionable teenagers, but grown women. We read every day about grooming and familiar with Stockholm syndrome: some girls dream of marrying a prince others jihads. That said, to me, reading her comments, listening to her interviews I don't pick up one iota of regret. I buried a child 29 years ago and his death still cho*kes me up on occasion. She lost two babies but appears unaffected by it. Her cavillier attitude, coldness and lack of remorse belies her years. Some want to believe she was only a kid, give her a break, and I understand that because for our own humanity we want to believe a teenager can change, but sometimes we need to remove our rose tinted glasses and be objective/err on the side of caution. I see people walking pit bulls, mastiffs etc who claim their dog is a big fluffy wuffy bunny who wouldn't hurt a fly. It's safe around their baby's and it sleeps in the nursery with the baby. Other dog lovers agree and come forward with tales about how lovely their dogs are...until it mauls their baby to death. They are then "shocked" Fluffy acted like a dog. I would not look at, pet, have in my house any kind of "killer" dog. I would not listen to the Kennel Club if they told me they were alright, I've read the headlines about people being mauled to death, I'd rather not chance me or mine thanks. Likewise this girl and others like her, I wouldn't trust her and I'd be keeping tabs on her family too: leave her where she is! That said: why has the media run a campaign against this particular girl? I'm sure there have been others returned without the hoopla. " I think this particular case is high profile because it was when she first left. There was talk of ‘rescuing’ her at the time I recall. | |||
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"There are adult women who travel half way across the globe to marry death row prisoners. They aren't impressionable teenagers, but grown women. We read every day about grooming and familiar with Stockholm syndrome: some girls dream of marrying a prince others jihads. That said, to me, reading her comments, listening to her interviews I don't pick up one iota of regret. I buried a child 29 years ago and his death still cho*kes me up on occasion. She lost two babies but appears unaffected by it. Her cavillier attitude, coldness and lack of remorse belies her years. Some want to believe she was only a kid, give her a break, and I understand that because for our own humanity we want to believe a teenager can change, but sometimes we need to remove our rose tinted glasses and be objective/err on the side of caution. I see people walking pit bulls, mastiffs etc who claim their dog is a big fluffy wuffy bunny who wouldn't hurt a fly. It's safe around their baby's and it sleeps in the nursery with the baby. Other dog lovers agree and come forward with tales about how lovely their dogs are...until it mauls their baby to death. They are then "shocked" Fluffy acted like a dog. I would not look at, pet, have in my house any kind of "killer" dog. I would not listen to the Kennel Club if they told me they were alright, I've read the headlines about people being mauled to death, I'd rather not chance me or mine thanks. Likewise this girl and others like her, I wouldn't trust her and I'd be keeping tabs on her family too: leave her where she is! That said: why has the media run a campaign against this particular girl? I'm sure there have been others returned without the hoopla. " I agree with you there especially the dogs,but that's another thread | |||
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"Her British citizenship has been rescinded, making her stateless. No shes not shes Bangladeshi" can she go to Holland as well? | |||
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"Her British citizenship has been rescinded, making her stateless. No shes not shes Bangladeshi" In any case, she made her bed, now she can lie in it. End of. | |||
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"Her British citizenship has been rescinded, making her stateless. No shes not shes Bangladeshi In any case, she made her bed, now she can lie in it. End of." I dont see why people are debating this solution.just leave her there | |||
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"Her British citizenship has been rescinded, making her stateless. No shes not shes Bangladeshi can she go to Holland as well?" Her husband is a Dutch national! Send her there oh wait a minute she will not get any benifits there will she ? | |||
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" Out of interest, how is she a threat to children? " Consider this. The baby she’s just had ,is purely a tool to get her back into the UK, the whole thing is a ploy to get her back to feed info to isis and to radicalise other nieve sheep. My personal opinion is that a president should be set here. The only way to stop others doing what she did, is punish the whole family, unfair I agree, but the Muslim faith is strongly family orientated , and if the actions of one radicalised individual resulted in their whole family having their uk citizenships revoked, I’m sure they would consider their actions before hand. Her parents have to be somehow to blame, we instil the difference between right and wrong to our children, they make mistakes and don’t listen, but if this family brought her up as true Muslim, she would have understood the beliefs of isis contradict the Koran. | |||
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" Out of interest, how is she a threat to children? Consider this. The baby she’s just had ,is purely a tool to get her back into the UK, the whole thing is a ploy to get her back to feed info to isis and to radicalise other nieve sheep. My personal opinion is that a president should be set here. The only way to stop others doing what she did, is punish the whole family, unfair I agree, but the Muslim faith is strongly family orientated , and if the actions of one radicalised individual resulted in their whole family having their uk citizenships revoked, I’m sure they would consider their actions before hand. Her parents have to be somehow to blame, we instil the difference between right and wrong to our children, they make mistakes and don’t listen, but if this family brought her up as true Muslim, she would have understood the beliefs of isis contradict the Koran. " But your precedent would apply to all crimes. Every parent and family member would become liable for thier relatives crimes. As we are thankfully not a communist state this is unnaceptable. You csnnot say "the parents are to blame" ithout it being universal to all crime. "but if this family brought her up as true Muslim, she would have understood the beliefs of isis contradict the Koran" Err, never actually read it have you. Isis beliefs are actually very literal to the koran. For example also every Christian in the uk is fortunatley not raised a "true" christian or a great many people would be slaughtered in the ensuing blood bath of our "christian" nation enforcing biblical law. | |||
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"Her British citizenship has been rescinded, making her stateless. No shes not shes Bangladeshi can she go to Holland as well? Her husband is a Dutch national! Send her there oh wait a minute she will not get any benifits there will she ?"My other half is Dutch and says the Dutch system of benefits makes ours seem stingy! | |||
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" But your precedent would apply to all crimes. Every parent and family member would become liable for thier relatives crimes. As we are thankfully not a communist state this is unnaceptable. You csnnot say "the parents are to blame" ithout it being universal to all crime. "but if this family brought her up as true Muslim, she would have understood the beliefs of isis contradict the Koran" Err, never actually read it have you. Isis beliefs are actually very literal to the koran. For example also every Christian in the uk is fortunatley not raised a "true" christian or a great many people would be slaughtered in the ensuing blood bath of our "christian" nation enforcing biblical law." Why would it apply to all crimes? Different crimes result in different punishments . No I haven’t read the Koran, why would I?im not Muslim , but I know it doesn’t promote violence, saying it is literal to isis beliefs is utter BS. | |||
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" Why would it apply to all crimes? " Because you can't cherry pick. You can't say if a Muslim commits murder lock up the whole family under "joint enterprise" but if Christian murders then he's on his jack in the dock! | |||
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" But your precedent would apply to all crimes. Every parent and family member would become liable for thier relatives crimes. As we are thankfully not a communist state this is unnaceptable. You csnnot say "the parents are to blame" ithout it being universal to all crime. "but if this family brought her up as true Muslim, she would have understood the beliefs of isis contradict the Koran" Err, never actually read it have you. Isis beliefs are actually very literal to the koran. For example also every Christian in the uk is fortunatley not raised a "true" christian or a great many people would be slaughtered in the ensuing blood bath of our "christian" nation enforcing biblical law. Why would it apply to all crimes? Different crimes result in different punishments . No I haven’t read the Koran, why would I?im not Muslim , but I know it doesn’t promote violence, saying it is literal to isis beliefs is utter BS." Errr you mighr have read ir before you spout such bullshit as "it doesnt promote violence" it very specifically calls for you to die along side anyone who ever eants to leave Islam for example or the gays they die too. Endorses sexual slavery of prisoners of war although its not entirely in isolation there the bible also endorses slavery saying slaves should obey thier masters etc. And it would apply to all crimes because thats how our legal system works. You can't just say families are subjecy to illegal collective punishment for x but not y | |||
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"The hilarity of thinking suicide bombers etc would rethink because thier parents might be punished in the tempoary mortal realm aside entirely of course If it made even one potential suicide bomber rethink and stop them, that’s hundreds of innocent lives saved, can’t see anything hilarious there." No suicide bomber in the uk has killed "'hundreds" (not even remotely close) and forgive me if i feel the actual selling out of innocent lives in exchange for hypothetical lives is not a deal id ever make. "Better a 100 guilty men go free..." and all that | |||
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"Her British citizenship has been rescinded, making her stateless. No shes not shes Bangladeshi She is not a citizen of Bangladesh and has never been there. Why does the UK want to dump a UK problem at the door of Bangladesh?" She is she has just never claimed a passport. Just like her child has never held a uk pasport but is arguabley british. | |||
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" Why would it apply to all crimes? Because you can't cherry pick. You can't say if a Muslim commits murder lock up the whole family under "joint enterprise" but if Christian murders then he's on his jack in the dock!" I never said lock up the whole family did I? I said the whole family should have their uk citizenships revoked. It’s not cherry picking, it’s choosing a punishment to fit the crime. Radicalisation is a cancer, , it needs to be dealt with at the source | |||
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" But your precedent would apply to all crimes. Every parent and family member would become liable for thier relatives crimes. As we are thankfully not a communist state this is unnaceptable. You csnnot say "the parents are to blame" ithout it being universal to all crime. "but if this family brought her up as true Muslim, she would have understood the beliefs of isis contradict the Koran" Err, never actually read it have you. Isis beliefs are actually very literal to the koran. For example also every Christian in the uk is fortunatley not raised a "true" christian or a great many people would be slaughtered in the ensuing blood bath of our "christian" nation enforcing biblical law. Why would it apply to all crimes? Different crimes result in different punishments . No I haven’t read the Koran, why would I?im not Muslim , but I know it doesn’t promote violence, saying it is literal to isis beliefs is utter BS. Errr you mighr have read ir before you spout such bullshit as "it doesnt promote violence" it very specifically calls for you to die along side anyone who ever eants to leave Islam for example or the gays they die too. Endorses sexual slavery of prisoners of war although its not entirely in isolation there the bible also endorses slavery saying slaves should obey thier masters etc. And it would apply to all crimes because thats how our legal system works. You can't just say families are subjecy to illegal collective punishment for x but not y" Which proves it’s a crock of shit along with the bible. Religion is the basis of the majority of evil in the world. | |||
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" Why would it apply to all crimes? Because you can't cherry pick. You can't say if a Muslim commits murder lock up the whole family under "joint enterprise" but if Christian murders then he's on his jack in the dock! I never said lock up the whole family did I? I said the whole family should have their uk citizenships revoked. It’s not cherry picking, it’s choosing a punishment to fit the crime. Radicalisation is a cancer, , it needs to be dealt with at the source " Why stop at the family, why not the entire community or anyone in the same vicinity or city, heck why not the entire country. | |||
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" But your precedent would apply to all crimes. Every parent and family member would become liable for thier relatives crimes. As we are thankfully not a communist state this is unnaceptable. You csnnot say "the parents are to blame" ithout it being universal to all crime. "but if this family brought her up as true Muslim, she would have understood the beliefs of isis contradict the Koran" Err, never actually read it have you. Isis beliefs are actually very literal to the koran. For example also every Christian in the uk is fortunatley not raised a "true" christian or a great many people would be slaughtered in the ensuing blood bath of our "christian" nation enforcing biblical law. Why would it apply to all crimes? Different crimes result in different punishments . No I haven’t read the Koran, why would I?im not Muslim , but I know it doesn’t promote violence, saying it is literal to isis beliefs is utter BS. Errr you mighr have read ir before you spout such bullshit as "it doesnt promote violence" it very specifically calls for you to die along side anyone who ever eants to leave Islam for example or the gays they die too. Endorses sexual slavery of prisoners of war although its not entirely in isolation there the bible also endorses slavery saying slaves should obey thier masters etc. And it would apply to all crimes because thats how our legal system works. You can't just say families are subjecy to illegal collective punishment for x but not y Which proves it’s a crock of shit along with the bible. Religion is the basis of the majority of evil in the world." No people are the basis of all evil in the world. You can see the manifestation of it on some peoples mentality on this thread. | |||
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" But your precedent would apply to all crimes. Every parent and family member would become liable for thier relatives crimes. As we are thankfully not a communist state this is unnaceptable. You csnnot say "the parents are to blame" ithout it being universal to all crime. "but if this family brought her up as true Muslim, she would have understood the beliefs of isis contradict the Koran" Err, never actually read it have you. Isis beliefs are actually very literal to the koran. For example also every Christian in the uk is fortunatley not raised a "true" christian or a great many people would be slaughtered in the ensuing blood bath of our "christian" nation enforcing biblical law. Why would it apply to all crimes? Different crimes result in different punishments . No I haven’t read the Koran, why would I?im not Muslim , but I know it doesn’t promote violence, saying it is literal to isis beliefs is utter BS. Errr you mighr have read ir before you spout such bullshit as "it doesnt promote violence" it very specifically calls for you to die along side anyone who ever eants to leave Islam for example or the gays they die too. Endorses sexual slavery of prisoners of war although its not entirely in isolation there the bible also endorses slavery saying slaves should obey thier masters etc. And it would apply to all crimes because thats how our legal system works. You can't just say families are subjecy to illegal collective punishment for x but not y Which proves it’s a crock of shit along with the bible. Religion is the basis of the majority of evil in the world. No people are the basis of all evil in the world. You can see the manifestation of it on some peoples mentality on this thread. " People made religion | |||
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" But your precedent would apply to all crimes. Every parent and family member would become liable for thier relatives crimes. As we are thankfully not a communist state this is unnaceptable. You csnnot say "the parents are to blame" ithout it being universal to all crime. "but if this family brought her up as true Muslim, she would have understood the beliefs of isis contradict the Koran" Err, never actually read it have you. Isis beliefs are actually very literal to the koran. For example also every Christian in the uk is fortunatley not raised a "true" christian or a great many people would be slaughtered in the ensuing blood bath of our "christian" nation enforcing biblical law. Why would it apply to all crimes? Different crimes result in different punishments . No I haven’t read the Koran, why would I?im not Muslim , but I know it doesn’t promote violence, saying it is literal to isis beliefs is utter BS. Errr you mighr have read ir before you spout such bullshit as "it doesnt promote violence" it very specifically calls for you to die along side anyone who ever eants to leave Islam for example or the gays they die too. Endorses sexual slavery of prisoners of war although its not entirely in isolation there the bible also endorses slavery saying slaves should obey thier masters etc. And it would apply to all crimes because thats how our legal system works. You can't just say families are subjecy to illegal collective punishment for x but not y Which proves it’s a crock of shit along with the bible. Religion is the basis of the majority of evil in the world. No people are the basis of all evil in the world. You can see the manifestation of it on some peoples mentality on this thread. People made religion " Then why blame the creation. | |||
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" Why would it apply to all crimes? Because you can't cherry pick. You can't say if a Muslim commits murder lock up the whole family under "joint enterprise" but if Christian murders then he's on his jack in the dock! I never said lock up the whole family did I? I said the whole family should have their uk citizenships revoked. It’s not cherry picking, it’s choosing a punishment to fit the crime. Radicalisation is a cancer, , it needs to be dealt with at the source " Which is actually legally a far worse punishment to locking them up. And completley impracticle in the case of a family being british born and holding no other citizen ship. | |||
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" But your precedent would apply to all crimes. Every parent and family member would become liable for thier relatives crimes. As we are thankfully not a communist state this is unnaceptable. You csnnot say "the parents are to blame" ithout it being universal to all crime. "but if this family brought her up as true Muslim, she would have understood the beliefs of isis contradict the Koran" Err, never actually read it have you. Isis beliefs are actually very literal to the koran. For example also every Christian in the uk is fortunatley not raised a "true" christian or a great many people would be slaughtered in the ensuing blood bath of our "christian" nation enforcing biblical law. Why would it apply to all crimes? Different crimes result in different punishments . No I haven’t read the Koran, why would I?im not Muslim , but I know it doesn’t promote violence, saying it is literal to isis beliefs is utter BS. Errr you mighr have read ir before you spout such bullshit as "it doesnt promote violence" it very specifically calls for you to die along side anyone who ever eants to leave Islam for example or the gays they die too. Endorses sexual slavery of prisoners of war although its not entirely in isolation there the bible also endorses slavery saying slaves should obey thier masters etc. And it would apply to all crimes because thats how our legal system works. You can't just say families are subjecy to illegal collective punishment for x but not y Which proves it’s a crock of shit along with the bible. Religion is the basis of the majority of evil in the world. No people are the basis of all evil in the world. You can see the manifestation of it on some peoples mentality on this thread. People made religion "
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". No people are the basis of all evil in the world. You can see the manifestation of it on some peoples mentality on this thread. People made religion Then why blame the creation. " As otherwise you have no evil. There is no fundamental "evil" only relative rights and wrongs. To you or I killing our sister because she slept with the wrong man is evil, to others its honourable and good. We can only judge people on our "creations" really | |||
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" But your precedent would apply to all crimes. Every parent and family member would become liable for thier relatives crimes. As we are thankfully not a communist state this is unnaceptable. You csnnot say "the parents are to blame" ithout it being universal to all crime. "but if this family brought her up as true Muslim, she would have understood the beliefs of isis contradict the Koran" Err, never actually read it have you. Isis beliefs are actually very literal to the koran. For example also every Christian in the uk is fortunatley not raised a "true" christian or a great many people would be slaughtered in the ensuing blood bath of our "christian" nation enforcing biblical law. Why would it apply to all crimes? Different crimes result in different punishments . No I haven’t read the Koran, why would I?im not Muslim , but I know it doesn’t promote violence, saying it is literal to isis beliefs is utter BS. Errr you mighr have read ir before you spout such bullshit as "it doesnt promote violence" it very specifically calls for you to die along side anyone who ever eants to leave Islam for example or the gays they die too. Endorses sexual slavery of prisoners of war although its not entirely in isolation there the bible also endorses slavery saying slaves should obey thier masters etc. And it would apply to all crimes because thats how our legal system works. You can't just say families are subjecy to illegal collective punishment for x but not y Which proves it’s a crock of shit along with the bible. Religion is the basis of the majority of evil in the world. No people are the basis of all evil in the world. You can see the manifestation of it on some peoples mentality on this thread. People made religion
And then all interpret it in their own way. "Again I'm going ro take a wild stab in the dark amd say youve never read a holy book have you? There isnt much in the way of "interpretation" unless you dont actually read it. Then you can interpret your idea of it but physically reading it or listening to the audio book whatever there is no "interpretation" of any Abrahamic religion that by modern values isnt absolutely abhorrent. I mean Leviticus says if you wear clothes made from more than one kind of thread you should be killed for god sake thats 99% of the uk population dead right there | |||
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"L Ron Hubbard has just popped in my head,I don't know why" indeed | |||
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" But your precedent would apply to all crimes. Every parent and family member would become liable for thier relatives crimes. As we are thankfully not a communist state this is unnaceptable. You csnnot say "the parents are to blame" ithout it being universal to all crime. "but if this family brought her up as true Muslim, she would have understood the beliefs of isis contradict the Koran" Err, never actually read it have you. Isis beliefs are actually very literal to the koran. For example also every Christian in the uk is fortunatley not raised a "true" christian or a great many people would be slaughtered in the ensuing blood bath of our "christian" nation enforcing biblical law. Why would it apply to all crimes? Different crimes result in different punishments . No I haven’t read the Koran, why would I?im not Muslim , but I know it doesn’t promote violence, saying it is literal to isis beliefs is utter BS. Errr you mighr have read ir before you spout such bullshit as "it doesnt promote violence" it very specifically calls for you to die along side anyone who ever eants to leave Islam for example or the gays they die too. Endorses sexual slavery of prisoners of war although its not entirely in isolation there the bible also endorses slavery saying slaves should obey thier masters etc. And it would apply to all crimes because thats how our legal system works. You can't just say families are subjecy to illegal collective punishment for x but not y Which proves it’s a crock of shit along with the bible. Religion is the basis of the majority of evil in the world." You literally just said it doesnt promote violence yet now its the basis of the majority of all evil? Are you just incredibly easily led or just incapable of independent assessment? | |||
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" Why would it apply to all crimes? Because you can't cherry pick. You can't say if a Muslim commits murder lock up the whole family under "joint enterprise" but if Christian murders then he's on his jack in the dock! I never said lock up the whole family did I? I said the whole family should have their uk citizenships revoked. It’s not cherry picking, it’s choosing a punishment to fit the crime. Radicalisation is a cancer, , it needs to be dealt with at the source " My parents were born in The Kingdom of Jamaica (British). I was born in the UK as we're my children and grandchildren. By your logic if my grandsons became Muslims and carried out atrocities then I should lose British citizenship too. I'm assuming the same would apply to the "White Widow" types who can trace their ancestry back to William the Conquerer? | |||
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"An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind..." It never fails to make me sad for the future of humanity that so many people can't get this. | |||
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"An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind... It never fails to make me sad for the future of humanity that so many people can't get this. " Thst a trite incorrect saying is widely ignored makes you sad? I mean fair enough but thats gonna be a shitty life, probbaly ended by a stabbing | |||
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" I never said lock up the whole family did I? I said the whole family should have their uk citizenships revoked. It’s not cherry picking, it’s choosing a punishment to fit the crime. Radicalisation is a cancer, , it needs to be dealt with at the source My parents were born in The Kingdom of Jamaica (British). I was born in the UK as we're my children and grandchildren. By your logic if my grandsons became Muslims and carried out atrocities then I should lose British citizenship too. I'm assuming the same would apply to the "White Widow" types who can trace their ancestry back to William the Conquerer? " Direct family members of terrorists families. I’m talking about a deterrent , not a solution. | |||
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"Her British citizenship has been rescinded, making her stateless. No shes not shes Bangladeshi She is not a citizen of Bangladesh and has never been there. Why does the UK want to dump a UK problem at the door of Bangladesh?" It's racism pure and simple. The premise is that because she's not white she's not really British. | |||
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""Her British citizenship has been rescinded, making her stateless. No shes not shes Bangladeshi She is not a citizen of Bangladesh and has never been there. Why does the UK want to dump a UK problem at the door of Bangladesh?" It's racism pure and simple. The premise is that because she's not white she's not really British." I see you waited until the very end of the thread before slotting in the old platitude of racism - nice try
The premise here is NOT that because she's not white she's not really British, the premise is that she's an unrepentant accomplice to some truly horrible atrocities against humanity.
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