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Should atheists beable to get married?
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I was reading about it this morning and it was interesting as it is a christian ceremony. I dont think they should as you cant pick and choose, whats your view? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Who says marriage is a religious based thing??
Marriage can take many forms
The only thing which may be hypocritical would be them getting married in a religious location"
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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago
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If marriage is a Christian or even religious based thing - why are there registry office and other non-religion based means of getting married?
Of course any one that wants to, within legal age constraints, should be able to get married, regardless of not only beliefs, but sexuality too. |
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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago
There and to the left a bit |
"So should all the non Christians also stop celebrating Christmas?
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No, because it's origins tie back to Pagan festivals and it was actually Christianity that hijacked it 
*closes can of worms again* |
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I have seen some bizzare things on here, but the idea that marriage somehow belongs to Christianity takes the biscuit.
If the OP is actually asking if atheists should get married in church I'd say no. It's disrespectful to take part in a religious ceremony when you don't believe the religion. |
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"I was reading about it this morning and it was interesting as it is a christian ceremony. I dont think they should as you cant pick and choose, whats your view?"
Marriage is actually a legal contract, any accompanying religious ceremonies have no bearing on whether you're married or not, if you don't do the "legal paperwork" it doesn't count.
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"I was reading about it this morning and it was interesting as it is a christian ceremony. I dont think they should as you cant pick and choose, whats your view?"
Why is it a 'christian ceremony' only? Does that mean no Hindus, Muslims etc married properly then? Get married in a church, then ok it's Christian, get married at a registry office then it's not necessarily so.
Why do religious folk always believe that it's their way or no way? So you think people all of a sudden went "What? Can't kill anyone I want, covet their property or covet their wife" as soon as Moses came down the mountain. Groans could be heard as Abraham, knife out and at the throat of Ishmael, suddenly said "well that was a lucky escape for you Ishy mate" and then curses Moses for spoiling his day.
Ridiculous statement for you or anyone to make. Shows that your small minded and suffer from acute ignorance.
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"I have seen some bizzare things on here, but the idea that marriage somehow belongs to Christianity takes the biscuit.
If the OP is actually asking if atheists should get married in church I'd say no. It's disrespectful to take part in a religious ceremony when you don't believe the religion. "
Atheism is not of course just Christian based ... it is a non belief of divinity ... of any sort |
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"Love this thread... I ve always thought this about xmas etc.. Why celebrate a christian celebration if you re not a church going christian?  "
Because it's done the rounds again to being a mid winter festival. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"So should all the non Christians also stop celebrating Christmas?
No, because it's origins tie back to Pagan festivals and it was actually Christianity that hijacked it
This is so very true.. My chosen form of marriage would be a handfasting amidst nature as this is my belief... At xmas we dont have xmas decs we have a permanent wishing tree in our house as we dont believe in celebrating something that we have no interest in, as so many posters have said, it is disrespectful.. But thats my opinion... Most festicals and religious sites were originally pagan but were indeed hijacked as part of the plan to convert the population
*closes can of worms again*"
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I never want to get married or have kids and religion has had no role in my life but the humour and stupidity of some beliefs. I am yet to see one peaceful religion
The only true peaceful religion is the one that doesn't exist.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Should religious people be allowed to use anything invented by atheists ?"
Unless I read it wrong, I think maybe the OP was suggesting that aethists shouldn't be allowed to get married in church/chapel/etc and have the whole ceremony in that vain as opposed to civil marriage?
If someone can give an example of a non religious practice or invention that has ceremony that would be at odds with religion then sure they should refrain?
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By (user no longer on site)
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I know folks that have attended a church a requisite number of times and had meetings with the vicar/priest just so they could use it for the big day and then never go back again.
It's like the parents that get their kids christened but never go to church either.
But then I suppose it doesn't actually effect me so I shouldn't be that bothered. They get their pretty pics and pay for it. Meh! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I never want to get married or have kids and religion has had no role in my life but the humour and stupidity of some beliefs. I am yet to see one peaceful religion
The only true peaceful religion is the one that doesn't exist.
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Religions themselves are peaceful. The people who commit atrocities in the name of said religion aren't.
Sihkism, Bhuddism, Rastafarianism are three faiths that I would say are a lot more peaceful than most and don't appear to have a thing about converting people and killing non believers. I'm no Theologian though. |
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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago
There and to the left a bit |
"I know folks that have attended a church a requisite number of times and had meetings with the vicar/priest just so they could use it for the big day and then never go back again.
It's like the parents that get their kids christened but never go to church either.
But then I suppose it doesn't actually effect me so I shouldn't be that bothered. They get their pretty pics and pay for it. Meh!"
I was one of those hypocrites and whilst I regret it, it wasn't my biggest mistake, that was turning up and actually going through with marrying her!!  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I know folks that have attended a church a requisite number of times and had meetings with the vicar/priest just so they could use it for the big day and then never go back again.
It's like the parents that get their kids christened but never go to church either.
But then I suppose it doesn't actually effect me so I shouldn't be that bothered. They get their pretty pics and pay for it. Meh!
I was one of those hypocrites and whilst I regret it, it wasn't my biggest mistake, that was turning up and actually going through with marrying her!! "
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"I know folks that have attended a church a requisite number of times and had meetings with the vicar/priest just so they could use it for the big day and then never go back again.
It's like the parents that get their kids christened but never go to church either.
But then I suppose it doesn't actually effect me so I shouldn't be that bothered. They get their pretty pics and pay for it. Meh!
I was one of those hypocrites and whilst I regret it, it wasn't my biggest mistake, that was turning up and actually going through with marrying her!! "
If I were a vicar I'd refuse to marry anyone if they weren't a sincere religious believer.
But then the church only stays alive financially by marrying and christening hypocrites |
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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago
There and to the left a bit |
"I know folks that have attended a church a requisite number of times and had meetings with the vicar/priest just so they could use it for the big day and then never go back again.
It's like the parents that get their kids christened but never go to church either.
But then I suppose it doesn't actually effect me so I shouldn't be that bothered. They get their pretty pics and pay for it. Meh!
I was one of those hypocrites and whilst I regret it, it wasn't my biggest mistake, that was turning up and actually going through with marrying her!!
If I were a vicar I'd refuse to marry anyone if they weren't a sincere religious believer.
But then the church only stays alive financially by marrying and christening hypocrites "
I wish he had refused - might have saved me a lot of grief!!
Seriously though, I agree, and whilst I won't go into circumstances and background, it wasn't something that say easy with me at the time and is certainly something I regret from the hypocritical viewpoint. |
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Erm, yes!
You don't need a church or Christian ceremony to get married!
I agree it's a bit hypocritical for an atheist to get married in a church, though, but even there there could be reasons for it (one half is a believer, or appeasing parents etc)... |
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"I know folks that have attended a church a requisite number of times and had meetings with the vicar/priest just so they could use it for the big day and then never go back again.
It's like the parents that get their kids christened but never go to church either.
But then I suppose it doesn't actually effect me so I shouldn't be that bothered. They get their pretty pics and pay for it. Meh!
I was one of those hypocrites and whilst I regret it, it wasn't my biggest mistake, that was turning up and actually going through with marrying her!!
If I were a vicar I'd refuse to marry anyone if they weren't a sincere religious believer.
But then the church only stays alive financially by marrying and christening hypocrites
I wish he had refused - might have saved me a lot of grief!!
Seriously though, I agree, and whilst I won't go into circumstances and background, it wasn't something that say easy with me at the time and is certainly something I regret from the hypocritical viewpoint."
It's one of my few red lines in a relationship. No way will I pretend to believe in God for anybody. |
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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago
There and to the left a bit |
"I know folks that have attended a church a requisite number of times and had meetings with the vicar/priest just so they could use it for the big day and then never go back again.
It's like the parents that get their kids christened but never go to church either.
But then I suppose it doesn't actually effect me so I shouldn't be that bothered. They get their pretty pics and pay for it. Meh!
I was one of those hypocrites and whilst I regret it, it wasn't my biggest mistake, that was turning up and actually going through with marrying her!!
If I were a vicar I'd refuse to marry anyone if they weren't a sincere religious believer.
But then the church only stays alive financially by marrying and christening hypocrites
I wish he had refused - might have saved me a lot of grief!!
Seriously though, I agree, and whilst I won't go into circumstances and background, it wasn't something that say easy with me at the time and is certainly something I regret from the hypocritical viewpoint.
It's one of my few red lines in a relationship. No way will I pretend to believe in God for anybody. "
This wasn't even that - like I said I shan't go into detail, but it's not something I'm proud of at all, even when you put aside any of the what happened after. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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What I can't get my head around is there are still people who believe there is a grey haired dude living in the sky. It's a man made myth to keep the plebs in order. |
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"What I can't get my head around is there are still people who believe there is a grey haired dude living in the sky. It's a man made myth to keep the plebs in order."
Yeah ... no longer grey since the discovery of Just For Deity |
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"What I can't get my head around is there are still people who believe there is a grey haired dude living in the sky. It's a man made myth to keep the plebs in order.
Yeah ... no longer grey since the discovery of Just For Deity "
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I was reading about it this morning and it was interesting as it is a christian ceremony. I dont think they should as you cant pick and choose, whats your view?"
Huh?
Surely an Atheist would opt for a civil ceremony anyway. I know I would.
As an Atheist myself, there's no way I would want to get married in a church.
Bu going back to your question Shag, what if only one half of the couple is an Atheist and the other is a devout Christian and really wants the whole big church wedding?
Article 9 of the 1998 Human Rights act states that we all have freedom of religion and, to be fair, churches could find themselves in all sorts of bother if they started turning people away because of their beliefs - as if the church doesn't already have enough problems trying to encourage greater patronage.
After all, there have been some businesses that have got into trouble for refusing to provide services to some because of personal preference / clash of religious values (Refusing to make cakes for homosexuals as it goes against their religion). |
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He didn't mention getting married in a church, he simply said atheists shouldn't get married.
Which is complete rush, insulting to over 50% of the British who have no religion at all. Insulting to Jews, Muslims etc. Regarded thinking is retarded |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"He didn't mention getting married in a church, he simply said atheists shouldn't get married.
Which is complete rush, insulting to over 50% of the British who have no religion at all. Insulting to Jews, Muslims etc. Regarded thinking is retarded "
Fair point, but his message was actually discussing a christian ceremony, which is why I used that as a starting point for my response - in that there are already provisions in place for those who wish to marry but are unable or unwilling to do so in any form of religious ceremony.
In other words, OP's question is entirely irrelevant (sorry Shag) because Civil marriage was reintroduced by legislation in 1836 (common-law marriages having been previously abolished in 1753), so the government of 1836 has already addressed his question |
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"I was reading about it this morning and it was interesting as it is a christian ceremony. I dont think they should as you cant pick and choose, whats your view?
Huh?
Surely an Atheist would opt for a civil ceremony anyway. I know I would.
As an Atheist myself, there's no way I would want to get married in a church.
Bu going back to your question Shag, what if only one half of the couple is an Atheist and the other is a devout Christian and really wants the whole big church wedding?
Article 9 of the 1998 Human Rights act states that we all have freedom of religion and, to be fair, churches could find themselves in all sorts of bother if they started turning people away because of their beliefs - as if the church doesn't already have enough problems trying to encourage greater patronage.
After all, there have been some businesses that have got into trouble for refusing to provide services to some because of personal preference / clash of religious values (Refusing to make cakes for homosexuals as it goes against their religion)."
That's not correct. A church can very much exclude anyone who doesn't believe in its doctrines. The whole point of a religion is gathering together a group with the same beliefs and excluding those who don't have that belief. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I was reading about it this morning and it was interesting as it is a christian ceremony. I dont think they should as you cant pick and choose, whats your view?
Huh?
Surely an Atheist would opt for a civil ceremony anyway. I know I would.
As an Atheist myself, there's no way I would want to get married in a church.
Bu going back to your question Shag, what if only one half of the couple is an Atheist and the other is a devout Christian and really wants the whole big church wedding?
Article 9 of the 1998 Human Rights act states that we all have freedom of religion and, to be fair, churches could find themselves in all sorts of bother if they started turning people away because of their beliefs - as if the church doesn't already have enough problems trying to encourage greater patronage.
After all, there have been some businesses that have got into trouble for refusing to provide services to some because of personal preference / clash of religious values (Refusing to make cakes for homosexuals as it goes against their religion).
That's not correct. A church can very much exclude anyone who doesn't believe in its doctrines. The whole point of a religion is gathering together a group with the same beliefs and excluding those who don't have that belief. "
That is right, that is the point of a religion to have the same beleifs. |
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I’ve often thought this - I go to church quite regularly and my mates rip the absolute piss - one has just booked a church wedding for the ‘pretty photos’
She can get to the registry office in my eyes |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I was reading about it this morning and it was interesting as it is a christian ceremony. I dont think they should as you cant pick and choose, whats your view?"
Marriage isn’t just a Christian ceremony, I think you will find that most religions have their own marriage ceremonies.
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"I’ve often thought this - I go to church quite regularly and my mates rip the absolute piss - one has just booked a church wedding for the ‘pretty photos’
She can get to the registry office in my eyes"
There are plenty of civil venues that are beautiful in pictures. |
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"I’ve often thought this - I go to church quite regularly and my mates rip the absolute piss - one has just booked a church wedding for the ‘pretty photos’
She can get to the registry office in my eyes
There are plenty of civil venues that are beautiful in pictures. "
Exactly |
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"I’ve often thought this - I go to church quite regularly and my mates rip the absolute piss - one has just booked a church wedding for the ‘pretty photos’
She can get to the registry office in my eyes"
That would massively piss me off if I was a religious believer. |
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"I was reading about it this morning and it was interesting as it is a christian ceremony. I dont think they should as you cant pick and choose, whats your view?
Marriage isn’t just a Christian ceremony, I think you will find that most religions have their own marriage ceremonies.
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The OP has been quite clear that they are referring to atheists using achristian venue in particular. |
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"I’ve often thought this - I go to church quite regularly and my mates rip the absolute piss - one has just booked a church wedding for the ‘pretty photos’
She can get to the registry office in my eyes
That would massively piss me off if I was a religious believer. "
I know someone who, when they got married civilly, their religious family claimed it wasn't valid. I very much agree with the above: that it's much more insulting to the religion to pretend for whatever reason than to be honest. And personally, making a solemn binding promise to a deity I don't believe in is against my morality. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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The church of England, like all other religious institutions, are on the make so it is not in their interests to deny atheists who want to get married in a pretty little church a wedding ceremony. Sadly i don't have the option to get married in many churches because institutionalised homophobia still exists in many Christian institutions. |
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"The church of England, like all other religious institutions, are on the make so it is not in their interests to deny atheists who want to get married in a pretty little church a wedding ceremony. Sadly i don't have the option to get married in many churches because institutionalised homophobia still exists in many Christian institutions. "
You've managed to put it better than I did, but this was what I was getting at. Surely the church would be keen to swell their numbers |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The church of England, like all other religious institutions, are on the make so it is not in their interests to deny atheists who want to get married in a pretty little church a wedding ceremony. Sadly i don't have the option to get married in many churches because institutionalised homophobia still exists in many Christian institutions.
You've managed to put it better than I did, but this was what I was getting at. Surely the church would be keen to swell their numbers"
Give it time. They will have to embrace lgbtq people in order to grow in popularity. Faith groups are aware that their popularity is waining. |
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"I was reading about it this morning and it was interesting as it is a christian ceremony. I dont think they should as you cant pick and choose, whats your view?"
I'm an atheist.
I got married.
It wasn't CHRISTIAN.
It was civil, in a registry office.
You do know that there are Hindu, Jewish, Muslim and goodness knows what other type of weddings ? |
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"I was reading about it this morning and it was interesting as it is a christian ceremony. I dont think they should as you cant pick and choose, whats your view?
I'm an atheist.
I got married.
It wasn't CHRISTIAN.
It was civil, in a registry office.
You do know that there are Hindu, Jewish, Muslim and goodness knows what other type of weddings ? "
I was thinking that too. Muslim man can marry lots of times Poor bastards. |
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"I was reading about it this morning and it was interesting as it is a christian ceremony. I dont think they should as you cant pick and choose, whats your view?
I'm an atheist.
I got married.
It wasn't CHRISTIAN.
It was civil, in a registry office.
You do know that there are Hindu, Jewish, Muslim and goodness knows what other type of weddings ? "
Yes I do. I did say later in the thread I meant all religions. |
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"I was reading about it this morning and it was interesting as it is a christian ceremony. I dont think they should as you cant pick and choose, whats your view?
I'm an atheist.
I got married.
It wasn't CHRISTIAN.
It was civil, in a registry office.
You do know that there are Hindu, Jewish, Muslim and goodness knows what other type of weddings ? Yes I do. I did say later in the thread I meant all religions."
Sorry, I jumped in at end and haven't read it all |
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I wouldn't call my self atheist as such. More the existence of a higher power (which I find highly unlikely) is irrelevant really, so I don't waste my time musing over it . Anyway I was married in the familys church to my ex wife not so much out of belief but more out of a sense of family heritage, tradition and culture. I have not problem with that it was our personal choice and had meaning to us and our families.
However I do find the debate to what extent a religious organisation can discriminate in terms of marriage intresting. |
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To be fair. That silly bastard in America married her zombie doll and there’s that chick that books a two week cruise on her ‘husband’ then goes and wanks for a fortnight.
If they can get Married then anybody can |
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I'm sure I'm being thick here, but what has religion got to do with marriage. If I decide I want to be with someone, foregoing others, for the rest of my life, that's nothing to do with my religion - I'm Christian, but married to a Muslim. |
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"I’ve often thought this - I go to church quite regularly and my mates rip the absolute piss - one has just booked a church wedding for the ‘pretty photos’
She can get to the registry office in my eyes"
I agree she should go to the registry office if she's one of those who rip the piss out of you.
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"I was reading about it this morning and it was interesting as it is a christian ceremony. I dont think they should as you cant pick and choose, whats your view?"
But many pic and choose from their religious book!!  |
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If I ever get married I can assure you that it won't have a religious element in the same as my funeral won't be a religous ceremony. I wouldn't dream of marrying in a church or incorporating a god I don't recognise into the service.
Many people are hypocrites that includes aethiests and the religious. But it's not for me to question the hypocrisy
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"I was reading about it this morning and it was interesting as it is a christian ceremony. I dont think they should as you cant pick and choose, whats your view?
I'm an atheist.
I got married.
It wasn't CHRISTIAN.
It was civil, in a registry office.
You do know that there are Hindu, Jewish, Muslim and goodness knows what other type of weddings ? Yes I do. I did say later in the thread I meant all religions.
Sorry, I jumped in at end and haven't read it all "
That is fine |
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"I was reading about it this morning and it was interesting as it is a christian ceremony. I dont think they should as you cant pick and choose, whats your view?
But many pic and choose from their religious book!! "
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"So should all the non Christians also stop celebrating Christmas?
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I believe that there is an EU law that now says Christmas is illegal and must be called
Winter festival
So it does not offend the religious minorities!
Just saying! |
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"I was reading about it this morning and it was interesting as it is a christian ceremony. I dont think they should as you cant pick and choose, whats your view?"
Which comic was you reading?
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Marriages are not Christian Ceremonies. Though some (a small minority) are carried out with a Christian Ceremony in a Church.
Most are Secular Ceremonies these days.
Or haven't you been to any weddings lately?
Or are you a raving Christian? |
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"I was reading about it this morning and it was interesting as it is a christian ceremony. I dont think they should as you cant pick and choose, whats your view?"
It isnt christian. Its a legal ceremony and the concept of legal partnerships predates Christianity by a very long time.
For the obvious example Jews get married |
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"I’ve often thought this - I go to church quite regularly and my mates rip the absolute piss - one has just booked a church wedding for the ‘pretty photos’
She can get to the registry office in my eyes"
Without weddings etc you'll find you dont have a church to go to |
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